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Post  Archibald Tonn on Mon May 11, 2009 3:40 am

http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/davidicke/popular/page1

This website is an absolute disgrace, and I will admit I felt so unclean whilst persuing this website, if you can call it that. What has David Icke said to these people to generate a response so infantile and so character destroying? David Icke should hang his head up and remember this fact, at least he brightens the days of these faceless internet cowards. The drawing of David Icke visiting some form of prostitute is actually a very vile means to dis-credit this gentleman, and I have given Tiswas very stern words about this mocking of David Icke, I told her these faceless beings have something lacking in their lives and out of jealousy they attack Mr Icke. She is thinking of other things now, but David Icke should realise this fact, it is better to be Controversery King than being the man of all seasons.
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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  Archibald Tonn on Mon May 11, 2009 6:32 am

When I look at these so-called 'artworks' I am not laughing in the slightest, and let us face it David Icke is the one who in reality is laughing because, it is he who is getting the free publicity. Never in all my years have I seen something so blantly abusive towards a complete stranger.
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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  John Drake on Mon May 11, 2009 7:41 am

Are we talking about the same Icke who issues legal threats everytime someone shows hes wrong?

"Question everything" says icke but if you question him he contacts his legal team.

Piss offf the mans a wanker.

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Post  Goldy on Mon May 11, 2009 8:07 am

Droike wrote:Are we talking about the same Icke who issues legal threats everytime someone shows hes wrong?

"Question everything" says icke but if you question him he contacts his legal team.

Piss offf the mans a wanker.

Well I suppose it does take one to know one.

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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  John Drake on Mon May 11, 2009 8:19 am

22ct wrote:
Droike wrote:Are we talking about the same Icke who issues legal threats everytime someone shows hes wrong?

"Question everything" says icke but if you question him he contacts his legal team.

Piss offf the mans a wanker.

Well I suppose it does take one to know one.

You mean like you and Handbag lol.

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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  Goldy on Mon May 11, 2009 11:55 am

I'm surprised HC dont take you to the cleaners, I know I would, strung & quartered, No, eighthed & flayed.

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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  John Drake on Mon May 11, 2009 3:04 pm

He did try.

He contacted the police once about me as Ive hear he has done often with all sorts of woo woo claims about people and shit. Apparently over the years hes made all sorts of claims as has his family. The whole bloody lot are known as nutters in Oxford. The police contacted my ISP (ip provided by dc) who gave them through a court order my details. I was asked to attend an interview at my local police station which i did. It was joke from the start as they had already read his record of past complaints about people, government electronic surveillance and some of his stuff on the net. Nothing Ive ever posted about Handbag is a lie according to him and everything was shown to have come from the man himself. People have a tendency not to take people seriously who think the queen and box car willy are 12 foot space lizards.

2 officers travelled from Oxford to S-O-T with a driver and were pissing themselves laughing at the rantings of this woo woo. The problem with Handbags claims was like i said everything i say about him he had already said about himself so there was no case. He also claimed i was stalking him but it was shown that most of the websites we were on like dc rrf etc he joined after i did.

At the end of the day Handbag is all piss and wind and if i wanted to be a cunt i could contact his human resources dept at the John Radcliffe hospital and show them his blog where he says he contemplated attacking the queen with blood he was going to steal from the blood bank to make her shape shift into a 12 foot space lizard infront of the press. How do you think that would go down with his employer the police and his mental heath team?


[quote="handbag"]When I first heard the Queen was visiting I had all sorts of crazy plans in my mind, like doing something to make her shape-shift by putting blood on my hands.[quote]

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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  Damn'sod..!!! on Mon May 11, 2009 4:35 pm

[quote="Droike"]He did try.

He contacted the police once about me as Ive hear he has done often with all sorts of woo woo claims about people and shit. Apparently over the years hes made all sorts of claims as has his family. The whole bloody lot are known as nutters in Oxford. The police contacted my ISP (ip provided by dc) who gave them through a court order my details. I was asked to attend an interview at my local police station which i did. It was joke from the start as they had already read his record of past complaints about people, government electronic surveillance and some of his stuff on the net. Nothing Ive ever posted about Handbag is a lie according to him and everything was shown to have come from the man himself. People have a tendency not to take people seriously who think the queen and box car willy are 12 foot space lizards.

2 officers travelled from Oxford to S-O-T with a driver and were pissing themselves laughing at the rantings of this woo woo. The problem with Handbags claims was like i said everything i say about him he had already said about himself so there was no case. He also claimed i was stalking him but it was shown that most of the websites we were on like dc rrf etc he joined after i did.

At the end of the day Handbag is all piss and wind and if i wanted to be a cunt i could contact his human resources dept at the John Radcliffe hospital and show them his blog where he says he contemplated attacking the queen with blood he was going to steal from the blood bank to make her shape shift into a 12 foot space lizard infront of the press. How do you think that would go down with his employer the police and his mental heath team?


[quote="handbag"]When I first heard the Queen was visiting I had all sorts of crazy plans in my mind, like doing something to make her shape-shift by putting blood on my hands.

Shocking If It's True...!!!

It Reminds Me Of A Time,
A Load Of Us Were Sitting On A Beach In Cornwall,
Drinking And Smoking...

We Saw A UFO...
And By That I Mean An Unidentified Flying Object, Dancing About In The Sky...

It Could Have Been A Flying Saucer,
A Spark From The Fire,
A Seagull,
Or A Reflection From Some Cabbages...!!!

Who Knows...???

My Mate Who Was An Ex-Jailbird,
Who Had An Almost Patholigical Hatred Of The Police...!!!

Went Up To The Police Station To Report This Event...!!!

And The Desk Seargeant Dismissed Him By Saying...

"What Do You Want Us To Do About It...
Was It Breaking The Law...

Was It Committing A Speeding Offence

etc....!!!

If What You Are Saying Is True Droinke...

It Would Seem The People Who Despise The So Called NWO...

Or In The Case Of My Mate Who Had A.C.A.B. Tattoed On His Knuckles...!!!

Are The First To Run To The Enforcers Of The New World Order...

When Things Don't Go Their Way...!!!

Like David Icke And Michael Tsarion And Their Ever Present Lawyers Looking Out For Copyright Infringements...!!!


Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  Damn'sod..!!! on Mon May 11, 2009 4:45 pm

There Is A Bunch Of Folks Here...

Legitamatley Expressing Their Freedom To Demonstrate...

Against The N.W.O.....




By Shouting At Traffic...!!!

You Might Recognise One "Hagbard Celine" Amongst Them...???


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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  John Drake on Mon May 11, 2009 5:32 pm

From what i learned Mr anti-establishment is forever running to the police with complaints as are the rest of his family. Don't forget it was his old dear that grassed him up for child abuse twice. Handbag puts that down to her being illuminati or Illuminati mind controlled. He sued his old dear in court even though he says she was mind controlled. After her death he got a slicker provided by a fellow woo to get her accusations about him struck from the record on the grounds she was mad. He still had restrictions place on him with regards to kids though as the courts know hes mad as a hatter. They spend shit loads of their time informing on eachother and others to the police and other authorities.

He even admits on his forum that he is a police informer.

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Post  Damn'sod..!!! on Mon May 11, 2009 5:46 pm

Droike wrote:From what i learned Mr anti-establishment is forever running to the police with complaints as are the rest of his family. Don't forget it was his old dear that grassed him up for child abuse twice. Handbag puts that down to her being illuminati or Illuminati mind controlled. He sued his old dear in court even though he says she was mind controlled. After her death he got a slicker provided by a fellow woo to get her accusations about him struck from the record on the grounds she was mad. He still had restrictions place on him with regards to kids though as the courts know hes mad as a hatter. They spend shit loads of their time informing on eachother and others to the police and other authorities.

He even admits on his forum that he is a police informer.

Evidence With Links Droinke...

Or It All Sounds Like Speculation To Me...

And Not Links To What Hagbard Has Said On Various Forums...

That Is Still Wild Eyed Speculation And Circumstancial Stuff...!!!

For Example I Could Admit On This Forum That I Was A Reptillian Shapeshifter From Draco...

Intent On Enslaving Humanity...

And Have Got My Mothership Parked Up In Atlantis...!!!!


But That Is Not Proof That It Is True...!!!


Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  John Drake on Tue May 12, 2009 4:19 am

Damn'sod..!!! wrote:

Evidence With Links Droinke...

Or It All Sounds Like Speculation To Me...

And Not Links To What Hagbard Has Said On Various Forums...

That Is Still Wild Eyed Speculation And Circumstancial Stuff...!!!

For Example I Could Admit On This Forum That I Was A Reptillian Shapeshifter From Draco...

Intent On Enslaving Humanity...

And Have Got My Mothership Parked Up In Atlantis...!!!!


But That Is Not Proof That It Is True...!!!


Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

Lydia tried this approach saying that just because he says things about himself it doesnt make them true. I told her to go ask Dave Starbuck and she made this song and dance about asking him and coming back with the reply. Now i know shes got a new baby and was planning on getting back on the drugs but we never heard from her again. could it be what Nazi Dave told her shocked her a little? Starbuck has provided legal assistance is some of Hagbards scrapes.


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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  Archibald Tonn on Tue May 12, 2009 4:44 am

My views about this thread is that it is regarding the cyber bullying of Mr David Icke, and what the hell is one of those photographs about where his face is superimposed on a Monsters Inc model all about, I do not get the humour from this at all.
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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  John Drake on Tue May 12, 2009 5:04 am

David Icke is a con man simple as that.

He preys on suckers just like you "Tonn".

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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  FERD on Mon May 18, 2009 8:29 am

Droike wrote:David Icke is a con man simple as that.

He preys on suckers just like you "Tonn".

DROIKE, are yooz the messiah come to offer us salvation and help us turn away from false prophets like the Pharis-ICKE? Smile
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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  John Drake on Tue May 19, 2009 7:13 am

FERD wrote:
Droike wrote:David Icke is a con man simple as that.

He preys on suckers just like you "Tonn".

DROIKE, are yooz the messiah come to offer us salvation and help us turn away from false prophets like the Pharis-ICKE? Smile

Only a tiny amount of people on this planet would be unable to see Icke for what he is by themselves.

Just like only an idiot cant see "tonn" is tiswas with a little help.

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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  Tiswuzzle on Tue May 19, 2009 12:14 pm

Tonn was tending my affarts while I was on hols but I am back now ok
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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  John Drake on Wed May 20, 2009 2:31 am

Tiswuzzle wrote:Tonn was tending my affarts while I was on hols but I am back now ok

Then sign in as Tiswas and repost that lol.

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Post  Tiswuzzle on Wed May 20, 2009 6:48 am

I jsut did you mungrel! Evil or Very Mad

Droike have you even red Tonns books ok and so how can you judge them unless youve read them ok
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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  John Drake on Wed May 20, 2009 7:11 am

Tiswuzzle wrote:I jsut did you mungrel! Evil or Very Mad

Droike have you even red Tonns books ok and so how can you judge them unless youve read them ok

You fucking liar.

The last post made in the Tiswas ID was Mon May 04, 2009 6:55 pm. Cunt has been here today though as her last visited message shows Mon May 18, 2009 4:01 pm.

No ive not read any of Tits books nor have i judged any.

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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  entrangermercenary on Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:24 am

Droike wrote:From what i learned Mr anti-establishment is forever running to the police with complaints as are the rest of his family. Don't forget it was his old dear that grassed him up for child abuse twice. Handbag puts that down to her being illuminati or Illuminati mind controlled. He sued his old dear in court even though he says she was mind controlled. After her death he got a slicker provided by a fellow woo to get her accusations about him struck from the record on the grounds she was mad. He still had restrictions place on him with regards to kids though as the courts know hes mad as a hatter. They spend shit loads of their time informing on eachother and others to the police and other authorities.

He even admits on his forum that he is a police informer.

Thats pretty strong stuff. So where did you get all your info (court cases ) etc. ??

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Post  Ciggy on Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:34 pm

Droike wrote:From what i learned Mr anti-establishment is forever running to the police with complaints as are the rest of his family. Don't forget it was his old dear that grassed him up for child abuse twice. Handbag puts that down to her being illuminati or Illuminati mind controlled. He sued his old dear in court even though he says she was mind controlled. After her death he got a slicker provided by a fellow woo to get her accusations about him struck from the record on the grounds she was mad. He still had restrictions place on him with regards to kids though as the courts know hes mad as a hatter. They spend shit loads of their time informing on eachother and others to the police and other authorities.

He even admits on his forum that he is a police informer.

The only thing he could ever inform to the police is what a nutter of an ODO he is.
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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  true lilly on Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:38 am

John Drake wrote:
FERD wrote:
Droike wrote:David Icke is a con man simple as that.

He preys on suckers.

Only a tiny amount of people on this planet would be unable to see Icke for what he is by themselves.
You see, IF The Evil Lying "they" actually believed that "their" 'power' was secure,
"they" wouldn't have to bully, drown out, threaten, rob, attack and kill those who
CHOOSE NOT to follow
"them" and bow to worship "their" BEAST/lord.

But "they" KNOW "their" kingdom age IS CRUMBLING and ARE DESPERATE
to clag it together with THE BLOOD of THE LOVERS of JUSTICE, TRUTH and LIFE.


It is an insanely grave error on "their" part.

The sifting and sorting is well under way.

It has been for thousands of years.

Around a decade ago,
an "ex" CUSTOMS, FEDERAL, VICTORIA POLICE Officer,
made a complaint to VICPOL, about VICPOL NOT ACTING ON
a complaint against neighbours who
PROSTITUTED THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

It led to a meeting in my home with a top officer
who tried to talk me into JOINING VICPOL.

I declined.

Some years later, the complaining "ex" officer's daughter,
had one of his old friends, convicted of sexually abusing her
when she was a child, when often left in the friend's company.

He died "of a heart attack" before he was sentenced.

Now anyone scanning David Icke Official Forums and/or
"tintin's" thread, must admit that "they" DON'T promote
THE MILK of HumanE KINDNESS, but The LIE that,
"there's no escape from 'The Matrix'=MAJORITY CONsensus
of
'TPTB'", who "They" also PROMOTE "as untouchable"
CHILD SEX TRADERS, on Mega Threads
such as "tintin's/ms hope's", TNBTN, COMMON PURPOSE,
Madaline McCANN etc.

Yet, "they" lay the blame FOR WHAT "THEY" PROMOTE,
at the usual suspects, like Catholic Priests, other churches,
oh and "BRITISH" Royals.

While somehow letting DUTCH ROYALS off the hook, despite
BOASTING that THE DUTCH ROYALS ARE ABOVE
The British Royals, who "must bow to QUEEN BEE", of one of
The NORTHERN Kingdoms that SHOVED ANTI-CHRIST
"secularism" DOWN THE WORLD'S THROAT through "their"
DEMANDING "TOLERENCE" of
Leftist/Green/Gay ANIMAL WOmen RIGHTS
"democracy"=LOWEST common denominator, PUSHERS,
and DEMANDING INtolerence of ALL who SEEK to KNOW
and LIVE by The Creator God's Living Word.

And it's rather telling, that women who do want to marry a man,
and raise a Christian Family, DON'T get their right to do so,
demanded by the Secular, Leftist, Gay, Green "SisterHOOD" of
'powerful' and well funded yet LITTLE or NO TALENT (but for
NETworking), WOmen, such as the OVERTLY ANTI-BREEDERS,
OVERTLY BAD 'mothers' WITHOUT an once of The Milk of
HumanE Kindness, but who 'do well' FOR THEMSELVES,
like other 'mothers' who suddenly 'get lucky' after producing and
supplying, more 'fresh meat'.


But, here's THE Thing: those who do pay attention to
The Signs of The Season that God told us to watch for,
KNOW, "their" Season, IS COMING TO AN END, and
there WILL BE, TOTAL INTOLERANCE for those who
practice and demand tolerance of INTOLERABLE INJUSTICE.

dixie dean wrote:03-12-2011, 01:26 AM #32582
Quote:
Originally Posted by nobodyswife

@ Tintin funny that you mention all
the Pearl links, girl with a pearl earring and Vermeer which by the way
is my favorite painter ever. Colin Firth was sublime as ever as Vermeer.

RED ALERT !!!!

Canadian
Prime minister Stephan Haarper to meet with Obama at the white house on
the 7th of december; that's Pearl Harbor Day

False flag coming : They are targeting Canada.

also Michelle Obama at the lightening of the outside Christmas tree at the White house was with Kermit the frog...

They call french canadians frogs

Strange you mention December 7. I had it up on my computer.

Quote:
December 7 is the 341st day of the year (342nd in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 24 days remaining until the end of the year.
24 is 42 reversed and as Tintin says next week will be week 49

49 is the Country Code for Germany

I'm also wondering if there is a link to Samsung Galaxy S II
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03-12-2011, 02:01 AM #32583
Quote:
Originally Posted by guivre

Oh wow, this is interesting. Here we
go with word fragments again. This is a statue just north of where I
grew up. Also in the town thats the farthest northwest of Chicago on the
commuter train line:

Harmilda the Cow, Milk Day Festival



(this is a better shot of the statue but is too big to put in the thread: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rvardIlCow.JPG

I notice it mentions Illinois on you link and on that page I notice the following...

Quote:
Three U.S. Presidents have been elected while living in
Illinois—Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, and Barack Obama.
Additionally, President Ronald Reagan, whose political career was based
in California, was the only US President actually born and raised in
Illinois. Today, Illinois honors Lincoln with its official state slogan,
Land of Lincoln, which has been displayed on its license plates since
1954.
Also with you mentioning Cows it made me think of one of my first computers which was a Gateway, Inc. On the gateway Wiki page you see the following...

Quote:
Gateway Computer Corporation, is a computer hardware company headquartered in Irvine,
California, USA which develops, manufactures, supports, and markets a
wide range of personal computers, computer monitors, servers, and
computer accessories.
I purchased my Gateway computer in Chester and I also knew a guy
by the name of Barry Irvine who lived just down the road from where I
lived. I have a feeling it might involve a Massage Parlour and on that page
you see the following...

A massage parlor and soapland in Chiang Mai, Thailand

I put Soyuri into Google and one of the pages I found was Global Nanpa

I'd imagine that Massage will be linked to Geoff and his Honda motorcycle with the registration 81(0) and 81 is the country Code for Japan

Also the guy I knew Barry Irvine worked on Rigs for British Gas

Also on the Gateway Wiki page you see the following...



Quote:
In the early and mid-2000s, the company struggled; after years as a
fixture on the Fortune 500 list of largest companies worldwide, the
company was not listed in 2006, having dropped to number 508. Gateway
was acquired by Acer Inc. in 2007.
Quote:
Gateway was founded on September 5, 1985, on a farm outside Sioux
City, Iowa, by Ted Waitt and Mike Hammond. Originally called Gateway
2000, it was one of the first widely successful direct sales PC
companies, utilizing a sales model copied from Dell,
and playing up its Iowa roots with low-tech advertisements proclaiming
"Computers from Iowa?". Shipping computers in spotted boxes patterned
after cow markings (specifically, Holstein cows) became a Gateway
standard. In 1989 Gateway moved its corporate offices and production
facilities to North Sioux City, South Dakota. In line with the Holstein cow
mascot, Gateway opened a chain of retail stores called Gateway Country
Stores, mostly in suburban areas across the United States. It dropped
the "2000" from its name on October 31, 1998.
My last computer in the UK was a Dell and was what I had the last
time I saw Barry Irvine. The first computer I had here in Chaing Mai was
an Acer. One day I spilt some beer on the keyboard and ruined it, I
took it to Acer Customer Service Center - Chiang Mai.

You also have a link to Holstein (cattle)



Quote:
Holstein cattle (also known as Holstein-Friesian cattle or Friesian
cattle) is a breed of cattle known today as the world's highest
production dairy animal. Originating in Europe, Holsteins were bred in
what is now the Netherlands and more specifically in the two northern provinces of North Holland
and Friesland. The animals were the regional cattle of the Batavians
and Frisians, two tribes who settled in the coastal Rhine region around
2,000 years ago.
You can also buy Dutch milk here in Chaing Mai and it has a Windmill on it.

I'm also wondering if there is a link to Havard University

Dell computers also remind me of Jasmine Homes and a guy by the name of
Del (Derek).

I'm also wondering if there might be a link to Cadbury Dairy Milk
and Cadbury Roses and the word Sex.

Also where I lived in the UK there was an old couple who lived over the
road and the lady by the name of Ellie was from Belguim and she had a
son who was Gay.

So, whether there are any links in what I've posted, I don't know.
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guivre wrote: 03-12-2011, 03:11 AM #32584
Quote:
Originally Posted by dixie d

Also with you mentioning Cows it made me think of one of my first computers which was a Gateway, Inc. On the gateway Wiki page you see the following...

Also on the Gateway Wiki page you see the following...


You know I forgot that about Gateway computers, an interesting
choice of imagery there. It was an EXTREMELY popular brand for several
years. Hmm.


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dixie dean wrote: 03-12-2011, 03:29 AM #32585

There must be something in this article...

£47, 000 RAID ON YOUR PENSION

47 is the Country Code for Norway and Svalbard and Jan Mayen

On the Svalbard and Jan Mayen Wiki page you see the following...



Quote:
Both Svalbard and Jan Mayen consist almost entirely of Arctic wilderness, such as at Bellsund in Svalbard
On the Bellsund Wiki page you see the following...



On the map you see the name Pyramiden

On that page you also see the following...

Quote:
It is now a ghost town. Within the buildings, things remain largely as they were when the settlement was abandoned in a hurry.
Ghost Town and on that page you see the following...


Berlin, Nevada, USA Ghost Town, taken in 2004

Also in the article you see the following...

Quote:
Experts warn that the switch would cost someone retiring at 65 with a £10,000-a-year final salary pension around £47,000 over the duration of their retirement, a loss of around 18 per cent of the total payout.

The change will hit 5.4 million public sector workers and 2.4 million private sector staff.

In addition a further 6.6 million pensioners also face a possible reduction in their incomes.

Trade unions had accused Chancellor George Osborne of unlawfully
attempting to reduce pension costs in the battle to cut the UK’s
financial deficit.
Quote:
And Ian Rennie, general secretary of the Police Federation, said the policy smacked of double standards.
I'd imagine there is a link to List of Canadian Insurance Companies and
on that page you see the following...

Quote:
Laurentian Life - Absorbed by Imperial Life in 1993.
I took out a policy with Laurentian life while working at Port
Sunlight. Also in the UK you have to go on line through what is known as
the Government Gateway

I lost all my personal stuff here when I first arrived in Chaing Mai
at the Queen Victoria Pub, which included my Gateway Passwords and everything else.

So, whether there are links in that article I'm not sure.
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UPDATE:

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and the PM has won her conscience vote for Parliament.
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Isaiah - Chapter 32 & 33
(Hebrew Dictionary of each word
and it's root meaning, at the links)

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=32&v=1&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#1

Isaiah 32:
1
Look! A king will reign for righteousness itself; and as respects princes, they will rule as princes for justice itself.
2
And each one must prove to be like a hiding place
from the wind and a place of concealment from the rainstorm, like
streams of water in a waterless country, like the shadow of a heavy crag
in an exhausted land.

3
And the eyes of those seeing will not be pasted together, and the very ears of those hearing will pay attention.
4
And the heart itself of those who are overhasty
will consider knowledge, and even the tongue of the stammerers will be
quick in speaking clear things.
5
The senseless one will no longer be called generous; and as for the unprincipled man, he will not be said to be noble;
6
because the senseless one himself will speak mere
senselessness, and his very heart will work at what is hurtful, to work
at apostasy and to speak against Jehovah what is wayward, to cause the
soul of the hungry one to go empty, and he causes even the thirsty one
to go without drink itself.
7
As for the unprincipled man, his instruments are
bad; he himself has given counsel for acts of loose conduct, to wreck
the afflicted ones with false sayings, even when someone poor speaks
what is right.

8
As regards the generous one, it is for generous
things that he has given counsel; and in favor of generous things he
himself will rise up.

9
“YOU women who are at ease, rise up, listen to my voice! YOU careless daughters, give ear to my saying!
10
Within a year and some days YOU careless ones will be agitated,
because the grape picking will have come to an end [but] no [fruit]
gathering will come in.
11
Tremble, YOU women who are at
ease! Be agitated, YOU careless ones! Undress and make yourselves naked,
and gird [sackcloth] upon the loins.
12
Beat yourselves upon the breasts in lamentation over the desirable fields, over the fruit-bearing vine.
13
Upon the ground of my people merely thorns, spiny
bushes come up, for they are upon all the houses of exultation, yes,
the highly elated town.
14
For the dwelling tower itself has been forsaken,
the very hubbub of the city has been abandoned; O´phel and the
watchtower themselves have become bare fields, for time indefinite the
exultation of zebras, the pasture of droves;
15
until upon us the spirit is poured out from on
high, and the wilderness will have become an orchard, and the orchard
itself is accounted as a real forest.

16
“And in the wilderness justice will certainly reside, and in the orchard righteousness itself will dwell.
17
And the work of the [true] righteousness must
become peace; and the service of the [true] righteousness, quietness and
security to time indefinite.
18
And my people must dwell in a peaceful abiding place and in
residences of full confidence and in undisturbed resting-places.
19
And it will certainly hail when the forest goes down and the city becomes low in an abased state.

20
“Happy are YOU people who are sowing seed alongside all waters, sending forth the feet of the bull and of the ass.”


Isaiah 33:

1
Woe to you who are despoiling, without you
yourself being despoiled, and to you who are dealing treacherously,
without [others] having dealt treacherously with you! As soon as you
have finished as a despoiler, you will be despoiled. As soon as you have
done with dealing treacherously, they will deal treacherously with you.

2
O Jehovah, show us favor. In you we have hoped. Become our arm
every morning, yes, our salvation in the time of distress.
3
At the sound of turmoil peoples have fled. At your arising nations have been dispersed.
4
And the spoil of YOU
people will actually be gathered [like] the cockroaches when gathering
in, like the onrush of locust swarms that is rushing against one.
5
Jehovah will certainly be put on high, for he is residing in the
height. He must fill Zion with justice and righteousness.
6
And the trustworthiness of your times must prove
to be a wealth of salvations—wisdom and knowledge, the fear of Jehovah,
which is his treasure.

7
Look! Their very heroes have cried out in the street; the very messengers of peace will weep bitterly.
8
The highways have been made desolate; the one
passing over the path has ceased. He has broken the covenant; he has
contemned the cities; he has taken no account of mortal man.
9
The land has gone mourning, has withered away.
Leb´a·non has become abashed; it has moldered. Shar´on has become like
the desert plain; and Ba´shan and Car´mel are shaking off [their
leaves].

10
“Now I will rise up,” says Jehovah, “now I will exalt myself; now I will lift myself up.
11
YOU people conceive dried grass; YOU will give birth to stubble. YOUR own spirit, as a fire, will eat YOU up.
12
And peoples must become as the burnings of lime. As thorns cut away, they will be set ablaze even with fire.
13
Hear, YOU men who are far away, what I must do! And know, YOU who are nearby, my mightiness.
14
In Zion the sinners have come to be in dread;
shivering has grabbed hold of the apostates: ‘Who of us can reside for
any time with a devouring fire? Who of us can reside for any time with
long-lasting conflagrations?’

15
“There is one who is walking in continual
righteousness and speaking what is upright, who is rejecting the unjust
gain from frauds, who is shaking his hands clear from taking hold on a
bribe, who is stopping up his ear from listening to bloodshed, and who
is closing his eyes so as not to see what is bad.
16
He is the one that will reside on the heights
themselves; his secure height will be craggy places difficult to
approach. His own bread will certainly be given [him]; his water supply
will be unfailing.”

17
A king in his handsomeness is what your eyes will behold; they will see a land far away.
18
Your own heart will comment in low tones on a
frightful thing: “Where is the secretary? Where is the one that does the
paying out? Where is the one counting the towers?”
19
No insolent people will you see, a people too
deep in language to listen to, of a stammering tongue without [your]
understanding.
20
Behold Zion, the town of our festal occasions!
Your own eyes will see Jerusalem an undisturbed abiding place, a tent
that no one will pack up. Never will its tent pins be pulled out, and
none of its ropes will be torn in two.
21
But there the Majestic One, Jehovah, will be for
us a place of rivers, of wide canals. On it no galley fleet will go, and
no majestic ship will pass over it.
22
For Jehovah is our Judge, Jehovah is our Statute-giver, Jehovah is our King; he himself will save us.

23
Your ropes must hang loose; their mast they will not hold firmly erect; they have not spread a sail.

At that time even spoil in abundance will have to be divided up; the lame ones themselves will actually take a big plunder.
24
And no resident will say: “I am sick.” The people that are dwelling in [the land] will be those pardoned for their error.
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Re: Cyber Bullying of David Icke

Post  MoMo on Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:47 pm

Archibald Tonn wrote:http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/davidicke/popular/page1

This website is an absolute disgrace, and I will admit I felt so unclean whilst persuing this website, if you can call it that. What has David Icke said to these people to generate a response so infantile and so character destroying? David Icke should hang his head up and remember this fact, at least he brightens the days of these faceless internet cowards. The drawing of David Icke visiting some form of prostitute is actually a very vile means to dis-credit this gentleman, and I have given Tiswas very stern words about this mocking of David Icke, I told her these faceless beings have something lacking in their lives and out of jealousy they attack Mr Icke. She is thinking of other things now, but David Icke should realise this fact, it is better to be Controversery King than being the man of all seasons.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=MaCSKxzgtKA&NR=1

Hey Icke!!!!! yeah you...........who do you think your bullshittin? some mental midget shit 4 brainz?.

Icke is a deluded and dangerous demagogue..........
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. H. L. Mencken

He is a hatemongering, fearmongering liar.

He claims he is not antisemitic, then he goes on to lie and demonize the Jews and Israel.......who is he kidding besides himself? The useful idiots that hang on everyone of his words?
http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism

David Icke Myth: Rothschild Zionism in its public expression is a political ideology based on a homeland for Jewish people in Palestine and a belief that the Jews are God's 'chosen race' with a God-given right to the 'promised land' of Israel (historically this is nonsense, as I show in my books)


The only thing he has shown in his books is he is an antisemitic gullible fool....... lmao
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFindex.html
MYTH
“The Jews have no claim to the land they call Israel.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFroots.html#1

A common misperception is that all the Jews were forced into the Diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. and then, 1,800 years later, the Jews suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.

The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.


David Icke Myth: They have sought to sell the 'Zionism-means-all-Jewish-people' lie so that they can condemn as 'anti-Semites' and 'racists' anyone who exposes the truth about Rothschild Zionism and its agents in government, banking, business, media, military etc.

Read this daveyboy:
http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/Against_Zionists_not_Jews.htm

http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/

Zionism is the national self determination movement of the Jewish people. Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people, in Israel. Zionism is the Jewish people's instantiation of the human right of self determination. 99% of Jews are supportive of the existance of the Jewish state - that makes them Zionists..............In summary
Almost all Jews (99%) are infact Zionists, but the definition Zionists (and infact almost all Jewish anti-Zionists) themselves use. If you use an antisemic defintion such as Zionism as Racist you can of course invent statistics as you please.
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Hey davey, this is pure 100% unadulterated bullshit......that makes you a lying sack of shit.

David Icke Myth:The world's most extreme racists are, after all, the Rothschild Zionists, anyway. Israel is an apartheid state every bit as much as were apartheid South Africa and apartheid America.

The Facts

Comparison of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict with Apartheid South AfricaThese days it is becoming very popular to compare the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict with apartheid South Africa prior to 1994. It is an odious comparison wreaked with many half-truths and clichés. Both situations are so different that when one examines the situation one can note major differences. The idea of using this comparison is to delegitimize Israel's right to exist within secure and recognized borders and to justify the Palestinian methods of terror in order to destroy Israel.


In apartheid South Africa prior to 1994 before the first democratic elections in South Africa 's history, there was this odious apartheid system. Its main purpose was to maintain white minority rule at all costs and to keep the black majority disenfranchised and without basic human rights. These blacks were a reservoir of cheap labour to operate the white economy and to ensure white prosperity at their expense. Blacks had suffered immense injustice under this system. White South African Government spending on black education and their general community welfare was minimal. The gap between the black situation then and slavery was not very large.

Social intercourse between whites and blacks in those days was a relationship between the white master and the black, underpaid servant. The situation for non-white people was intolerable and even cruel. It was against the law for Blacks to travel freely in the country of their birth except if they had a pass (dompas) from the white authorities. After 9.00 p.m., there was a curfew and blacks were forbidden in the streets after that dreaded hour in many towns. These people were not terrorists. They were not people who threatened the whites in any way. Denial of their basic human rights was commonplace. There was the dreaded Immorality Act, which prevented mixed marriages and sex beyond the colour bar. Those who contravened the law were imprisoned. There were separate public facilities for blacks and whites. Laws forbade blacks to eat in white restaurants. Separate transport facilities, which resulted in overcrowded conditions in buses and trains, were part of this evil, cruel system. It was common to see police officers abusing and ill treating blacks for not having their pass (identity or reference book) on their person when being searched. The police pushed them into the back of the police van, and drove them to the police station where they spent a night in the lock up cell. Usually their white employers bailed out these unfortunate persons when they produced a permit that they were in his employ legally. Blacks could not purchase property in white areas, as this was a contravention of the notorious Group Areas Act.

Anybody who opposed the apartheid system in those days – especially if he was black – was accused of being an agitator or communist. The police arrested him for 90 days without trial or recourse to a lawyer. This was increased later to 180 days detention and the police officer even had the power to keep a person imprisoned indefinitely without trial. These incidents occurred during the period of 1950 – 1990. Apartheid was at its zenith in those years. It was illegal to criticise the white government for its apartheid practices. There was limited criticism in those days by white opposition parties in parliament. However, the law controlled the limit of legal criticism. The abuse of prisoners for obtaining information was legal and encouraged. The police tortured the famous black leader, Steve Biko, to death when he was in prison for "anti-apartheid crimes" in 1977.

The majority of South African citizens was against apartheid and wanted to be part of a multi racial South Africa . The leaders of the liberation movements never spoke of destroying the white man and denying him rights in South Africa. Their fight was a justified fight for freedom and human rights as well as equality before the law.

If one were to contrast that with the situation in the Middle East, it is different. Israel 's Arab neighbours threatened her from the day of her establishment in 1948. There was never a desire to recognise Israel 's right to exist. What has this to do with South African style apartheid? Where is the comparison?

The blacks in their liberation struggle never targeted innocent people by suicide bombings or terror. There were sporadic incidents by some black extremists, but the mainstream liberation movements in South Africa went underground. Their leaders, who were living in exile, condemned this violence.

Perhaps, there may be a vague parallel of apartheid in the occupied territories since June 1967. The occupation is a complex problem that is the result of a war foisted onto Israel . Israel, being militarily superior, occupied territory in the Six Day War of June 1967 and made the fatal mistake of encouraging Jewish settlements there when it was obvious that there was no Arab partner who was willing to sign a peace treaty insuring the return of occupied territory as part of an overall peace agreement. The occupation and rule of the Palestinians is a tragic result of the wars that Israel fought for her survival/

However, had there been a willing partner on the Arab side who would come to terms with Israel's existence the seemingly "apartheid-like" situation would not have occurred. Israel never wished to conquer another people. This is contrary to the apartheid South African situation whereby the whites ruled and oppressed the blacks by force. They denied them their basic human rights. The intifida of 2000 resulted in a heavy spate of suicide violence against innocent Israelis, which resulted in heavy Israeli Army retaliation against armed Palestinian terrorists. The Palestinian terrorist groups had declared war on Israel and in a war; innocent people on both sides die and suffer.

The difference is that in South Africa both Whites and Blacks realized that their fate is dependent on one another. Both realised the importance of sitting down and negotiating a transitional period to end apartheid. Both sides were determined to rebuild the new democratic, multiracial South Africa . This feeling of mutual desire to end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is lacking. The Palestinians have embarked on the road of terror and suicide bombings.

This is their chosen path. It differs from the path that the freedom fighters in South Africa chose. Here there is no desire to come to terms with Israel 's existence that was always a "thorn" in Palestinian flesh. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have made this perfectly clear to the world. Their manifesto is no example in building an alternative democratic Palestinian society in a state replacing Israel.

Is there not a similarity to Nazism in the Hamas manifesto? Many Palestinian observers in the UN Security council accuse Israel of genocide. Is the Hamas Manifesto not promoting genocide of the Jewish People? Compare this to the ideals of those who opposed and fought the cruel racist regime of White South Africa during those evil, apartheid years. Their fight was a fight to attain equality for all South Africans irrespective of their skin colour. This is not the case in the Israel-Palestinian dispute. Here there is no desire in Palestinian street, as represented by Hamas and company, to come to terms with Israel's existence – let alone negotiate a peace treaty, which would eventually lead to the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel . Genocide is more part of the lexicon of the Palestinian terrorist groups than in Israel . Perhaps from this point of view, there is a similarity between the Palestinians and the dominating whites of apartheid South Africa . Both peoples oppressed their citizens and denied them basic human rights. Both regimes were corrupt and were involved in feathering their own nests.

The similarity of apartheid South Africa to the Palestinian Authority, including their methods of torture of opponents, makes this comparison closer to the truth.
Where are human rights in the Arab countries? Where are woman's rights in Islamic Society? In Saudi Arabia , women are treated like chattels and do not even have the franchise. Why are the human rights organizations not taking any view on that?

Another very big difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is the fact that there are no separate facilities for Jews and Arabs. Arab Israelis have equal rights and have the right to vote. There is no law preventing social mixing between the two peoples nor are there separate universities for Arabs and Israelis in Israel.

The comparison between Israel and apartheid South Africa shows total ignorance of the situation in both countries. After having been born and educated in apartheid South Africa and having opposed apartheid and racism all my life, I have come to realize how false and stupid this comparison really is. Much still remains to be done in the human rights area for Arab Israelis. There is some social descrimination in the job market and the situation is not as good as it could be. However, it is very far from the apartheid system of White South Africa where draconian laws were well set in place to separate blacks from whites


David Icke Myth: And by that I don't only mean the evil that is inflicted upon the Palestinian people minute-by-minute, day-by-day, but also the extraordinarily racist divisions within Jewish society with the black Jews from Ethiopia, for example, treated as little more than vermin
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ejhist.html

The Facts
In early 1991, Eritrean and Tigrean rebels began a concerted attack on Mengistu forces, meeting with surprising success for the first time since the civil war began in 1975. With the rebel armies advancing each day, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam fled his country in early May. Rebels claimed control of the capital Addis Ababa shortly thereafter, and the situation of the Beta Israel took top priority in Israel. The Likud government of Yitzhak Shamir authorized a special permit for the Israeli airline, El Al, to fly on the Jewish Sabbath. On Friday, May 24, and continuing non-stop for 36 hours, a total of 34 El Al jumbo jets and Hercules C-130s—seats removed to accommodate the maximum number of Ethiopians—began a new chapter in the struggle for the freedom of Ethiopian Jewry.

Operation Solomon, named for the king from whom one of the theories suggest that the Beta Israel draw their lineage, ended almost as quickly as it began. Timing was crucial, since any delay by Israel could have allowed the rebels to hold the Jews as bargaining chips with Israel or the United States. A total of 14,324 Ethiopian Jews were rescued and resettled in Israel, a modern exodus of the grandest design. Operation Solomon rescued nearly double the number of Jews as were saved during Operation Moses and Joshua, and it did so in a mere fraction of the time.

More than 36,000 Ethiopian Jews now live in Israel and despite both economic and social hardships, their community has an integral part in Israeli society. In 1999, Avraham Yitzhak became the first Ethiopian immigrant to earn an MD degree from an Israeli medical school. In 2011, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs appointed Rachamim Elazar as Israel's Ambassador to Ethiopia, making him the first Israeli of Ethiopian descent to ever serve as an ambassador for the State of Israel. There are still many problems within the Ethiopian community in Israel - poverty, lack of education, etc - but large strides are being made every day.......................As early as the 16th century, Egypt's Chief Rabbi David ben Solomon ibn Avi Zimra (Radbaz) declared that in Halachic (Jewish legal) issues, the Beta Israel were indeed Jews. In 1855, Daniel ben Hamdya, a member of the Beta Israel, was the first Ethiopian Jew to visit Israel, meeting with a council of rabbis in Jerusalem concerning the authenticity of the Beta Israel. By 1864, almost all leading Jewish authorities, most notably Rabbi Azriel Hildsheimer of Eisenstadt, Germany, accepted the Beta Israel as true Jews. In 1908 the chief rabbis of forty-five countries had heeded Rabbi Hildsheimer's call and officially recognized the Beta Israel as fellow Jews.

In reaffirming the Radbaz's position centuries before, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, Israel's Chief Sephardic Rabbi, stated in 1972, “I have come to the conclusion that Falashas are Jews who must be saved from absorption and assimilation. We are obliged to speed up their immigration to Israel and educate them in the spirit of the holy Torah, making them partners in the building of the Holy Land.”

In 1975, Ashkenazic Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren wrote to the Beta Israel telling them, “You are our brothers, you are our blood and our flesh. You are true Jews.” Later that same year the Israeli Interministerial Commission officially recognized the Beta Israel as Jews under Israel's Law of Return, a law designed to aid in Jewish immigration to Israel. The Beta Israel were ready to come home.

Indeed, the Beta Israel were strictly observant in pre-Talmudic Jewish traditions. The women went to the mikvah, or ritual bath, just as observant Jewish women do to this day, and they continue to carry out ancient festivals, such as Seged, that have been passed down through the generations of Beta Israel. The Kesim, or religious leaders, are as widely revered and respected as the great rabbis in each community, passing the Jewish customs through storytelling and maintaining the few Jewish books and Torahs some communities were fortunate enough to have written in the liturgical language of Ge'ez.


Jewish Apathy . . .and its Defeat
The struggle to free the Beta Israel was not fought solely against the Ethiopian government. Much like some timid Jewish leaders during the Holocaust, some recent Jews sought to prevent a shanda fur de goyim (an embarrassment in front of the non-Jews) by not stirring up waves over Ethiopian Jewry.

The history of the Beta Israel's rescue is at times open to debate regarding the heroes of the Ethiopian Jewry movement. As with many struggles to free oppressed Jewry around the world, many advocated and vocalized opposition to those responsible for the lack of action on their behalf. Others, however, argued for a more quiet diplomacy, void of the public demonstrations and arrests that marked the struggle for Soviet Jewry.

Though over 8,000 Beta Israel managed to flee to Israel during his tenure, it was an Israeli official in charge of the Ethiopian Jews' absorption who may best symbolize the insensitivity that an extreme minority of people once held. Yehuda Dominitz who served as Director General of the Jewish Agency's Department of Immigration and Absorption, declared in 1980 that, “[taking] a Falasha (sic) out of his village, it's like taking a fish out of water...I'm not in favor of bringing them [to Israel].” Dominitz also refused to allow his agency to rent buses so Ethiopian Jews in Israel could travel to Jerusalem to observe their ancient holiday of Seged (Dominitz eventually relented, but had the buses take the Beta Israel to Haifa instead of Jerusalem).

Malkah Raymist, a writer for the World Zionist Organization, wrote in 1956 in The Jewish Horizon (of the Hapoel Hamizrachi of America Movement) that, “the reasons [for not bringing Ethiopian Jews to Israel] are simple and weighty. On one hand, they are well off where they are, while their development and mental outlook is that of children; they could fall an easy prey of exploitation, if brought here without any preparation. On the other hand, being a backward element, they would be and it would take several years before they could be educated towards a minimum of progressive thinking.”

In an American Association for Ethiopian Jews (AAEJ) press release, the AAEJ quoted its founder, Dr. Graenum Berger, as criticizing those who sought any delay in the rescue of the Beta Israel. Berger declared, “Not when Jews are dying...these revelations show once again that the policy of influencing factions of the government of Israel always have been against the immigration of the Ethiopian Jews. And, the same people who controlled their immigration then are controlling it now. These are the same people who gave instructions to the Israeli Embassy in Ethiopia (1956-1973) not to issue immigration visas to any Jew from Ethiopia.”

Berger himself came under criticism for his outspoken remarks concerning the Israeli efforts to rescue the Beta Israel, showing that nobody was immune from the rhetoric surrounding the issue.



As the facts clearly show: David Icke is an ignorant, lying, fearmongering, hatemongering antisemitic moron............a lying sack of shit.............


MYTH
“Israel is pursuing a policy of genocide toward the Palestinians that is comparable to the Nazis’ treatment of the Jews.” top


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrights.html#9

FACT
This is perhaps the most odious claim made by Israel’s detractors. The Nazis’ objective was the systematic extermination of every Jew in Europe. Israel is seeking peace with its Palestinian neighbors. More than one million Arabs live as free and equal citizens in Israel. Of the Palestinians in the territories, 98 percent live under the civil administration of the Palestinian Authority. Israeli policies are designed to protect Israeli citizens—Jews and non-Jews—from the incessant campaign of terror. There has never been a plan to persecute, exterminate, or expel the Palestinian people.

In response to one such comparison, by a poet who referred to the “Zionist SS,” The New Republic’s literary editor Leon Wieseltier observed:

The view that Zionism is Nazism—there is no other way to understand the phrase “Zionist SS”—is not different in kind from the view that the moon is cheese. It is not only spectacularly wrong, it is also spectacularly unintelligent. I will not offend myself (that would be self-hate speech!) by patiently explaining why the State of Israel is unlike the Third Reich, except to say that nothing that has befallen the Palestinians under Israel’s control may responsibly be compared to what befell the Jews under Germany’s control, and that a considerable number of the people who have toiled diligently to find peace and justice for the Palestinians, and a solution to this savage conflict, have been Israeli, some of them even Israeli prime ministers. There is no support for the Palestinian cause this side of decency that can justify the locution “Zionist SS.” 41

The absurdity of the charge is also clear from the demography of the disputed territories. While detractors make outrageous claims about Israel committing genocide or ethnic cleansing, the Palestinian population has continued to grow exponentially. In Gaza, for example, the population increased from 731,000 in July 1994 to 1,657,155 in 2011, an increase of 127 percent. The growth rate was 3.2 percent, one of the highest in the world. The total Palestinian population in all the disputed territories (they include Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem) was 1,006,000 in 1950, 1,094,000 in 1970, and grew to 3,736,210 in 2011. 42


MYTH
“Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is similar to the treatment of blacks in apartheid South Africa.” top

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrights.html#8

FACT
Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934:

We do not want to create a situation like that which exists in South Africa, where the whites are the owners and rulers, and the blacks are the workers. If we do not do all kinds of work, easy and hard, skilled and unskilled, if we become merely landlords, then this will not be our homeland. 36

Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights and are represented in all the branches of government. Arabs are represented in the Knesset, and have served in the Cabinet, high-level foreign ministry posts (e.g., Ambassador to Finland) and on the Supreme Court.

Under apartheid, skin color determined every aspect of your life from birth until death. Black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they formed the overwhelming majority of the population. Laws dictated where they could live, work, go to school and travel. And, in South Africa, the government killed blacks who protested against its policies. By contrast, Israel allows freedom of movement, assembly and speech. Some of the government’s harshest critics are Israeli Arabs who are members of the Knesset.


“The difference between the current Israeli situation and apartheid South Africa is emphasized at a very human level: Jewish and Arab babies are born in the same delivery room, with the same facilities, attended by the same doctors and nurses, with the mothers recovering in adjoining beds in a ward. Two years ago I had major surgery in a Jerusalem hospital: the surgeon was Jewish, the anaesthetist was Arab, the doctors and nurses who looked after me were Jews and Arabs. Jews and Arabs share meals in restaurants and travel on the same trains, buses and taxis, and visit each other’s homes.

Could any of this possibly have happened under apartheid? Of course not.”

— Benjamin Pogrund 37


The situation of Palestinians in the territories is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip that are not necessary inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders. Israeli policy is not based on race, but is a result of Palestinian animosity. Palestinians in the territories dispute Israel’s right to exist, whereas blacks did not seek the destruction of South Africa, only the apartheid regime.

If Israel were to give Palestinians full citizenship, it would mean the territories had been annexed. No Israeli government has been prepared to take that step. Instead, through negotiations, Israel agreed to give the Palestinians increasing authority over their own affairs. It is likely that a final settlement will allow most Palestinians to become citizens of their own state. The principal impediment to Palestinian independence is not Israeli policy, it is the unwillingness of the Palestinian leadership to give up terrorism and agree to live in peace beside Israel.

Despite all their criticism, when asked what governments they admire most, more than 80 percent of Palestinians consistently said Israel because they can see up close the thriving democracy in Israel, and the rights the Arab citizens enjoy there. By contrast, Palestinians place Arab regimes, including their own Palestinian Authority, at the bottom. 38


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This website is an absolute disgrace, and I will admit I felt so unclean whilst persuing this website, if you can call it that. What has David Icke said to these people to generate a response so infantile and so character destroying? David Icke should hang his head up and remember this fact, at least he brightens the days of these faceless internet cowards. The drawing of David Icke visiting some form of prostitute is actually a very vile means to dis-credit this gentleman, and I have given Tiswas very stern words about this mocking of David Icke, I told her these faceless beings have something lacking in their lives and out of jealousy they attack Mr Icke. She is thinking of other things now, but David Icke should realise this fact, it is better to be Controversery King than being the man of all seasons.



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