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Post  MoMo on Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:23 pm

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Post  true lilly on Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:27 pm

Remember, it isn't only The Enemy=Team Tintin/Assange et al
watching every keystroke, and it isn't the average citizen who
needs to know the plots and counter plots, so deleting my posts
that show Team Tintin to be the enemy, doesn't matter, in fact,
it only serves to highlight what tintin wishes he didn't let slip.

So while he's gloating over pulling off the Oslo massacre, lets
compare one of his old posts (Pre-Gloating over 'their' plot to
TAKE AUSTRALIA), and TODAY'S NEWS...


...btw, 'tintin' also 'speaks' in 'reverse' a lot,
as he luuvvvsssss to mockingly gloat 'they' do;
here he is also laughing at so many buying
his 'way',
a "HOLLOW CON"...


tintin wrote:17-10-2007, 03:36 PM #22
HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.
(as 'tintin' so often
proclaims himself, while slandering those of us who warn
the world about the likes of him)


And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.


Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.



Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.


Diemen or DEMON.

DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.


It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam have their appartment in
Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.

Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.



The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

Martin bryant was the patsy.

MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?



Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.


Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.
(yep, for tintin to show his hand)

HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.


He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.

the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.

So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.

And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.

Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.

MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.

Now remember, it was under the name, "Cruise",
that "tintin" first said he'd "swim to Tasmania",
and that under the name, "Aarnout van der Plooge",
"tintin" claimed to be from Groningen...and then look
at how this 'EXPERT WITH NUMBERS', gets such simple,
basic math, so 'wrong'...'wrong' my foot!
It's a PLOT SCRIPT!

"The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.


the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.

but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL."

So what's with the MAY 20 & 13?
13 May=my birthday.
20 May=my daughter's.


So? It's not about me, but, it is about 'them' trying to
force the whole world to Deny The Holy Spirit of
The Creator God I serve, Who Warned us of 'their' plots
to do so (through BLOODY, UNJUST, SLAUGHTERS,
And, THE WEB NET of SPIES and LIES IN OUR HOUSES),

From The Beginning.


And, DON'T FORGET ASSANGE/AARNOUT'S BUNKER of
COMPUTERS storing "INSURANCE"
in the form of HACKED
and otherwise collected ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.


Now read back from here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2983
where Team Tintin are having "FUN" STILL GLOATING
over the OSLO SLAUGHTERS,
to TODAY'S NEWS.

Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube

  • Meryl Naidoo and Brian Ward

  • From:
    News Limited newspapers

  • July 28, 2011
    12:00AM

  • 17 comments

Mourners gather to remember the victims of the Port Arthur massacre.
Herald Sun


Port Arthur mass murderer Martin Bryant.
Supplied

HORRIFIC footage of the aftermath
of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre
has been uploaded on YouTube.

Police aretrying to trace
the account holder,
whose uploaded under
the alias "FreeMartinBryant".

The nine-minute evidence video
was stolen from the Tasmanian Police archive.

It
contains graphic images of some of the 35 people shot dead at the
tourist spot, and police last night were trying to have it removed from
the internet.
FreeMartinBryant's user profile contains more than
20 videos pertaining to "conspiracies"
surrounding the events of Port
Arthur, with several videos pertaining to Bryant's "innocence".
It is unknown how the footage was obtained,
but it also appeared on the internet in 2004 .

"Unfortunately
this isn't the first time that this training video has turned up in the
wider community," Deputy Commissioner Scott Tilyard said.

Related Coverage
"It has been known for some years that copies of the police training video have found their way into the public domain.
"A copy was located at a public tip in 2004, which led to an investigation."
Police Minister David O'Byrne said the footage was unlikely to have been stolen recently.
The video archive was upgraded in 2004.
"Tasmania
Police changed their procedures after discovering the material may be
in the public domain, in 2004," he said. "I'm advised no breach has
occurred since then and that the current procedures for handling such
material are secure."
Police are greatly concerned about the effect the video could have on the wider community.
"It
is highly distressing not only for the families of the victims, but for
the community, for these images to be available on the internet," Mr
Tilyard said.
Trauma psychologist Paul Stevenson, who worked for
many years with many of the survivors and victims' families, shared the
disbelief and horror about the posted video.

"To post this is a nasty, terrible thing to have occurred," the Brisbane-based consultant psychologist said.
"By
watching or hearing it is a re-experience - all of those things people
felt at the time come back. The tragedy occurs all over.
"This is very distressing ...
a real worry for families of victims
because
this is exactly what triggers
post-traumatic stress."


See also, why Team Tintin DON'T LINK to posts
and News 'they' cherry pick IMAGES and "quotes" from:


Dutch royals touch down on Aussie visit

October 25, 2006 - 3:39PM



Hobart has put on a chilly welcome for Dutch royals the Prince
of Orange Willem-Alexander
and Princess Maxima.


Premier Paul Lennon and Governor William Cox braved icy winds to
meet the royal couple from the Netherlands at Hobart airport on
Wednesday afternoon.


"We are very pleased and honoured that their royal highnesses
have chosen to include Tasmania in their Australian visit," Mr
Lennon said.

"I am particularly delighted that the royal couple has chosen to
spend two days in Tasmania visiting a number of our
attractions.


"Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to sight the
state that now bears his name
and the steady stream of Dutch
migrants to Tasmania have made an enormous contribution in so many
areas."

The couple's itinerary includes a tour of the Tasmanian Museum
and Art Gallery, a visit to Port Arthur and a private reception for
the Dutch community at the Henry Jones Art hotel.

The couple is in Australia on an official visit to celebrate 400
years since Dutch explorers landed
on the coast of Western
Australia.

They will fly to Sydney on Thursday afternoon and from there
they will travel to New Zealand.

© 2006
AAP

oh, there is much more to this old plot
that I must trust 'those who know' to deal with,
but it includes real links between
SOCCER, N & S KOREA,
CHINA & AUSTRALIA,
and 'tintin's' self proclaimed"EXPERTIZE" in
PLANE CRASHES.

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Post  true lilly on Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:36 am

$1m for Victoria Cross hero's medals

4:19PM

Aaron Langmaid

UPDATE 5.10pm:
A WORLD record
has been set
for

the sale of cherished
Aussie war medals,
including the VC,

at auction today.
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Post  MoMo on Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:14 am

el kabong wrote:No, I am: Sheik Snoopsnuffleopagus the Magnificent; Slayer of Dragons; Tamer of Tigers & Lions & Keeper of the Wild White Unicorns and Master of the Runt Continent Australia. wave

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Post  true lilly on Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:37 pm

Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,

in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.


And why act as if you don't know the vast difference
between the carrying capacity of, STABLE, ARABLE,
WELL WATERED, LIVABLE, RICH LAND & SEAS,
and
VOLCANO, EARTHQUAKE, LANDSLIDE,
SAND & ICE DESERT RIDDLED lands,
full of wars over forever disputed and
shifting borders?


Please, Do Bother to read through ALL
The Words FULL DESCRIPTIVE MEANINGS,
including the root words:


Isa 22:20
And it shall come to pass in that day 3117,
that I will call 7121 my servant 5650
Eliakim 471
the son 1121 of Hilkiah 2518:

Isa 22:21
And I will clothe 3847 him with thy robe 3801,
and strengthen 2388 him with thy girdle 73,
and I will commit 5414 thy government 4475
into his hand 3027
: and he shall be a father 1
to the inhabitants 3427 of Jerusalem 3389,
and to the house 1004 of Judah 3063.

Isa 22:22
And the key 4668 of the house 1004 of David 1732
will I lay 5414 upon his shoulder 7926;
so he shall open 6605, and none shall shut 5462;
and he shall shut 5462, and none shall open 6605.

Rev 3:7
And 2532 to the angel 32 of the church 1577 in 1722
Philadelphia 5359 write 1125;
These things 3592 saith 3004 he that is holy 40,
he that is true 228, he that hath 2192 the key 2807
of David 1138
, he that openeth 455, and 2532
no man 3762 shutteth 2808; and 2532 shutteth 2808,
and 2532 no man 3762 openeth 455;


true lilly wrote:Do you see what I see?

Do you wonder why it was done?



Artificial color image
of the Double Helix Nebula,
thought to be generated at the
galactic center by magnetic torsion
1000 times greater than the sun's.

Yep, a STAR of DAVID
circled by 12 more
POINTS of LIGHT.


And if you click on to the full sized image, also...

The Tudor rose
is used as the plant badge of
England.

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London 2012 Olympics:
medal designs unveiled


MORE Wink here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/8665946/London-2012-Olympics-medal-designs-unveiled.html

Now why would a world full of
CONspiracy 'sleuths' keep avoiding,
the topic of the "O" in ZION

(in The Centre of this circle
representing The World),


looking just like OZ, O'ZION,
AUSTRALIA
,
even with the 'dot' of the "I" there
for little Tasmania?



Could it be for the same reason 'they' also
keep avoiding
the topic of who Australia
can thank for BOOMING while
the rest of
the world, is crashing?




Moreover, thou son 1121 of man 120,
take 3947 thee one 259 stick 6086,
and write 3789 upon it, For Judah 3063,
and for the children 1121 of Israel 3478
his companions 2270:
then take 3947 another 259 stick 6086,
and write 3789 upon it, For Joseph 3130,
the stick 6086 of Ephraim 669,
and [for] all the house 1004 of Israel 3478
his companions 2270:

And join 7126 them one 259 to another 259
into one 259 stick 6086;
and they shall become one 259
in thine hand 3027.


Moreover I will make 3772
a covenant 1285 of peace 7965 with them;
it shall be an everlasting 5769 covenant 1285
with them:
and I will place 5414 them,
and multiply 7235 them, and will set 5414
my sanctuary 4720 in the midst 8432 of them


for evermore 5769.

My tabernacle 4908 also shall be with them:
yea, I will be their God 430,
and they shall be my people 5971.

And the heathen 1471 shall know 3045
that
I the LORD 3068 do sanctify 6942 Israel 3478,
when my sanctuary 4720 shall be in the midst 8432

of them for evermore 5769.


Please, Do Bother to read through ALL
The Words FULL DESCRIPTIVE MEANINGS,
including the root words:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=37&v=1&t=KJV#top
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Post  MoMo on Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:39 pm

Europe is larger then Australia, got more of everything. thumbs up

Asia (plus the Middle East) 17,212,000 Sq. Miles (44,579,000 Sq. Km) 30.0%
Africa 11,608,000 Sq. Miles (30,065,000 Sq. Km) 20.3%
North America 9,365,000 Sq. Miles (24,256,000 Sq. Km) 16.3%
South America 6,880,000 Sq. Miles (17,819,000 Sq. Km) 12.0%
Antarctica 5,100,000 Sq. Miles (13,209,000 Sq. Km) 8.9%
Europe 3,837,000 Sq. Miles (9,938,000 Sq. Km) 6.7%
Australia (plus Oceania) 2,968,000 Sq. Miles (7,687,000 Sq. Km) 5.2%


Australia is the Runt Continent, the smallest. thumbs up


lillywilly...... wave

did you know Europe includes Russia east to the Ural mountains? cheers

try to overlay that on your map of Australia, the Runt Continent, and the entirety of Australia would be obscured. thumbs up



Notice: North America is 3 times larger then Australia, it's like you have penis envy lillywilly. rolf

lilly, are you capable of understanding the term: RUNT CONTINENT as it pertains to Australia? It means its the SMALLEST Continent.......... thumbs up lmao rolf wave wacky

lissen up you ignorant bitch, your Avatar is a deception-you only placed a partial map of europe over the map of Australia. thumbs up

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In Bereshith 15:13 Yahuwah prophesies to Avraham that his seed will be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. We learn that the nation enslaving them would be judged, while Abraham’s children would make an exodus with great wealth. Yahuwah uses the 400 years as a general time frame even tough the actual time of slavery was 430 years. In Bereshith 46:4 Yahuwah tells Israel/Yakkov to go down to Mitzrayim in order that Yahuwah can bring to pass the patriarchal promise of physical multiplicity, while Yahuwah promises to be with Yisrael in Mitzrayim. When Yahuwah is with you, no one can be against you or His plan for your life. Yahuwah also promises to return Israel to Canaan, when He brings them up again from Mitzrayim. This promise is confirmed to Yisrael in Bereshith 28:15.

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Yisrael was to be set-apart by their prophesied exodus from Egypt, and in order to seal their set-apartness from all nations, they were to be given a Torah or a set of loving instructions. According to Devarim/Deut. 4:6, all nations would then see that “only a wise (spiritual), and understanding people was this GREAT (physical) nation. Israel was brought forth, and set-apart to shine before men. In like manner Yahshua renewed that call in Matityahu 5:13-14. Torah would become their wisdom after the presentation of Torah to Yisrael on Horeb. When Israel obeys Yahuwah’s ways, all nations will confess our greatness, and our favor before man and Yahuwah. On Sinai/Horeb Yahuwah betrothed Himself to Yisrael. This betrothal is called an eruzin. It is a pledge unto consummation rather than a consummation act itself. In Tehillim 138:4 the Devar Yahuwah calls on all the earth’s kings, and rulers to give thanks to Yahuwah for His Torah being given to national Israel. The exodus was not merely to remove Israel from bondage but to allow all nations, and all kings of all nations to hear the Words of Yahuwah known as Torah. Our sages have taught us that at first Yahuwah revealed, and offered his chesed/grace to the sons of Esau/Edom, as it is written in Devarim 33:2. But they rejected Yahuwah, even though He rose up first to offer Torah to Esau. However Esau rejected the Torah from Sinai, when Yahuwah “rose in Seir” only to be denied. Then Yahuwah offered the Torah to the rest of the sons of Ishmael symbolized by Mt. Paran, who according to Devarim 33:2-3, also rejected the “shining forth” of Torah from Sinai, even though the manifestation of fire accompanied it, along with myriads of melachim/angels!

“HEBREW-NATIONAL” ADAM

When Edom and Ishmael rejected the Torah, Yahuwah then turned to His second son, the second Adam or national Adam. That, among a myriad of other reasons is why most of the modern Arabs hate Israel, (both houses) since they rejected the true Word of Yahuwah, which Israel later accepted. Ultimately the Arabs adopted the false words of a man made deity called Allah. Not only do Edomites hate Israel for accepting the living oracles, they also hate Israel (Jews and most Christians) for having accepted the “living Torah”, the Messiah Yahshua Himself. Today’s Muslims have once again rejected the living Torah, (true biblical Yahshua as Yahuwah’s ONLY brought forth SON!) as their Edomite and Ishmaelite forefathers rejected the living oracles shining forth from Sinai. Even today Muslims claim that Gabriel gave the latter revelation of the Koran, to Mohammed in large part to CORRECT THE ERRORS OF TORAH that the Jews and Christians added when they corrupted the Torah’s truth! Nothing much has changed in the last 3,500 years.........................

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The
In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting...................

lilly, your bullshit is played out, you are the elitist, deceiver......do a reality check.
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Post  MoMo on Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:45 pm

true lilly wrote:Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

Lilly, your post is proof that you have eyes yet you are blind and do not see. Had you bothered to read and comprehend my Post you would 'see that it is a Public Revelation, not private like your bullshit. thumbs up


Most peeps don't realise that Quality Control is 'Built Into' the Bible--Checks & Balances.

Bullshit never holds up to pressure. thumbs up

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake. thumbs up


What support is there for the claim that God spoke to all the Jewish people at the foot of Mount Sinai?


http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/

The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation heard God speak at Sinai, an assertion that has been accepted as part of their nation’s history for over 3,000 years................Two types of stories are part of any national heritage.

The first kind is legends. Included in this category is George Washington’s admission to chopping down the cherry tree, along with his statement, “I cannot tell a lie.” Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across America with his discarded apple cores is another legend
..........................................What is the difference between legend and history?

A legend is an unverified story. By their very nature legends are unverifiable because they have very few eyewitnesses. Perhaps little George did chop down the cherry tree. We can’t know if it happened. This does not mean that the legend is necessarily false, only that it is unverifiable. No one thinks legends are facts, therefore they are not accepted as reliable history.

History, however, is comprised of events we know actually happened. It is reliable because we can determine if the claimed event is true or false through a number of ways. One key to verification is the assertion that large numbers of eyewitnesses observed the specific event
.....................................SINAI: AN IMPOSSIBLE HOAX

So far we have seen two types of claims—one is unverifiable and the other is inherently false.

Could the revelation at Sinai have been a brilliant hoax, duping millions of people into believing that God spoke to them?
....................SINAI: THE ONLY CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION

Throughout history, tens of thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that God spoke to him or her. All religions that base themselves on some type of revelation share essentially the same beginning: a holy person goes into solitude, comes back to his people, and announces that he has experienced a personal revelation where God appointed him to be His prophet.

Would you believe someone who claims to have received a personal communication from God appointing him or her as God’s new prophet?

Maybe He did. Then again, maybe He didn’t. One can never know. The claim is inherently unverifiable.

Personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion since one can never know if it is indeed true. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy................................There are 15,000 known religions in all of recorded history. Given this inherent weakness, why do all of them base their claim on personal revelation? If someone wanted their religion to be accepted, why wouldn’t they present the strongest, most believable claim possible—i.e. national revelation! It’s far more credible. No one has to take a leap of faith and blindly trust just one person’s word. It is qualitatively better to claim that God came to everyone, telling the entire group that so-and-so is His prophet.

Why would God establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Yet, Judaism is the only religion in the annals of history that makes the best of all claims—that everyone heard God speak. No other religion claims the experience of national revelation. Why?

..................Let’s summarize two primary questions:

1. Out of 15,000 known religions in recorded history, why is Judaism the only one that claims national revelation, the best of all claims? Why do all other religions base themselves on the inherently weak assertion of personal revelation?

2. If Judaism’s claim is indeed an example of a successful hoax that falsely asserts national revelation, the author just got away with passing off the best possible claim, and others will certainly follow suit. Why then would he predict that no one else will ever make a similar claim, a prediction he knows he cannot foresee, and whose outcome is likely to be the exact opposite?

There is one simple answer to both questions. A national revelation—as opposed to personal revelation—is the one lie you cannot get away with. It is one event you cannot fabricate. The only way to make this claim is if it actually happened.

If the claim is true, the people will believe it because they are agreeing to something they already know. Either they personally witnessed it, or their ancestors collectively passed down the account as part of their nation’s accepted history.

If the claim is false, it’s like trying to convince you that God spoke to you or your parents and somehow you never heard of it. No one would ever accept such a claim.

Therefore no other religion has ever made the best of all claims, because it is the one claim that can only be made if it is true. One cannot pass national revelation off as a hoax.

When inventing a religion, the originator must resort to personal revelation, despite its inherent weakness, since it is a claim that is unverifiable. The originator can hope to find adherents willing to take a leap of faith and accept his or her religion. After all, no one can ever know it is a lie. [Of course, no one can know if it’s true either.] This simply cannot work with national revelation since it’s the one claim that everyone will know is a lie.

Only Judaism can claim national revelation since the Jewish people is the only nation in the history of mankind who ever experienced it
.


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There are many other quality Control features in the Bible, but the National Revelation, and Yahshuas/Jesus ministry was Public are significant factors.







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Post  true lilly on Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:39 pm

'they' really do lack in creativity, when it comes to
inventing non-existent links to those 'they' ARE
PLOTTING AGAINST.

And insult the minds of EVERY reader.

So very soon after "dixie d's" posted links to
"CLEMENTINE" this fool tries to 'cover' one
poor excuse to post a CODED PLOT/THREAT,
with an even worse 'explanation' of 'reasoning'.

So poor, I thought maybe WIKIPEDIA had changed
facts with lies, AGAIN, but no.

And so, here it is; another VERY ANGRY,
VERY DIRECTLY THREATENING (to those
NOT DECEIVED by the 'smooth' words),post by:

pri01 wrote:28-07-2011, 09:33 PM #29850




Quote:

Originally Posted by ninny

i thought to add this here, because this is pretty bizarre

http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011...d-and-defaced/


Swagger's been on my mind recently because of this person.

cher lloyd.jpg

Cher Lloyd, was a hit with last year’s x factor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cher_Lloyd

She got through the second round
though with a song that she apparently penned the lyrics to part of it. I
suspect she was coached in this because of the reference to Jerusalem
but can’t be fully sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jooLnnhTrbE
Her first single, or a song from her
new album called swagger jagger, the chorus follows the tune of the
Australian song ‘Oh my darling clementine’, a song related to the gold
rush
.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_My_Darling,_Clementine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdbyG2MrBHk&ob=av2e

May have something to do with the economy.

Maybe related to: the FACT Ballarat alone, produced more gold
than California, and that Australia's Foreign ENEMIES
are so
BITTERLY JEALOUS of The Glorious Land Spiritual Israel Is Blessed With,
that 'they' slave to bring us the evils of 'their' insane WAR AGAINST GOD.



I'd say it also has A LOT to do with these posts that caused
"Billy Ruben & el kabong" to SPAM ALL MY THREADS with LIES &
WAY OFF TOPIC CATS & CRAP in a futile effort to make those
who matter, 'forget' THE NEWS that NONE of 'them' DARE to
cover in "TODAY'S NEWS" at DIF...
Rolling Eyes

true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:yeah, so, you think the 'dumb bunnies' reading this News HERE,
will foil 'your' plots...
...those who matter, who can and do, foil 'your' plots,
know much more than I could ever find in The News...

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/could-google-have-caught-the-norway-killer-20110728-1i17r.html

...yeah, I was only allowed to post the link,
as it seems seeing what it contains, will 'turn',
the 'dumb bunnies' away from THEIR ENEMIES,
USING THEM TO BETRAY THEIR OWN.


...lets try again though shall we...

...nope...GO TO THE LINK!
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:Remember, in order to 'read' Team Tintin's Planned Plots,
you also need to 'read' THE BIG NEWS that Team Tintin
IGNORES and/or otherwise TWISTS
to 'make' his 'connections'...


Such as tintin TRYING TO MAKE IT 'READ'
that "THORN from NORWAY" "won"
THE TOUR de FRANCE,
and IGNORING that AUSTRALIAN CADEL EVENS
MADE HISTORY BY WINNING IT.


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Oh yeah, and while tintin has been 'predicting',
a GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRASH for OVER 6 Years,
and Ciggy & Co. have been TELLING THE WORLD
to AVOID ALL THINGS AUSTRALIAN, what I find
FORETOLD IN GOD'S WORD, KEEPS HAPPENING...


Soaring dollar hits record high


Stephen McMahon
THE Australian dollar
has burst through the US110c threshold
amid mounting fears
the next move for interest rates
will be up.


Remember, it isn't only The Enemy=Team Tintin/Assange et al
watching every keystroke, and it isn't the average citizen who
needs to know the plots and counter plots, so deleting my posts
that show Team Tintin to be the enemy, doesn't matter, in fact,
it only serves to highlight what tintin wishes he didn't let slip.

So while he's gloating over pulling off the Oslo massacre, lets
compare one of his old posts (Pre-Gloating over 'their' plot to
TAKE AUSTRALIA), and TODAY'S NEWS...


...btw, 'tintin' also 'speaks' in 'reverse' a lot,
as he luuvvvsssss to mockingly gloat 'they' do;
here he is also laughing at so many buying
his 'way',
a "HOLLOW CON"...


tintin wrote:17-10-2007, 03:36 PM #22
HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.
(as 'tintin' so often
proclaims himself, while slandering those of us who warn
the world about the likes of him)


And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.


Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.



Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.


Diemen or DEMON.

DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.


It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam have their appartment in
Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.

Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.



The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

Martin bryant was the patsy.

MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?



Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.


Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.
(yep, for tintin to show his hand)

HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.


He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.

the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.

So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.

And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.

Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.

MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.

Now remember, it was under the name, "Cruise",
that "tintin" first said he'd "swim to Tasmania",
and that under the name, "Aarnout van der Plooge",
"tintin" claimed to be from Groningen...and then look
at how this 'EXPERT WITH NUMBERS', gets such simple,
basic math, so 'wrong'...'wrong' my foot!
It's a PLOT SCRIPT!

"The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.


the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.

but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL."

So what's with the MAY 20 & 13?
13 May=my birthday.
20 May=my daughter's.


So? It's not about me, but, it is about 'them' trying to
force the whole world to Deny The Holy Spirit of
The Creator God I serve, Who Warned us of 'their' plots
to do so (through BLOODY, UNJUST, SLAUGHTERS,
And, THE WEB NET of SPIES and LIES IN OUR HOUSES),

From The Beginning.


And, DON'T FORGET ASSANGE/AARNOUT'S BUNKER of
COMPUTERS storing "INSURANCE"
in the form of HACKED
and otherwise collected ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.


Now read back from here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2983
where Team Tintin are having "FUN" STILL GLOATING
over the OSLO SLAUGHTERS,
to TODAY'S NEWS.

Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube

  • Meryl Naidoo and Brian Ward

  • From:
    News Limited newspapers

  • July 28, 2011
    12:00AM

  • 17 comments



Mourners gather to remember the victims of the Port Arthur massacre.
Herald Sun


Port Arthur mass murderer Martin Bryant.
Supplied

HORRIFIC footage of the aftermath
of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre
has been uploaded on YouTube.

Police aretrying to trace
the account holder,
whose uploaded under
the alias "FreeMartinBryant".

The nine-minute evidence video
was stolen from the Tasmanian Police archive.

It
contains graphic images of some of the 35 people shot dead at the
tourist spot, and police last night were trying to have it removed from
the internet.
FreeMartinBryant's user profile contains more than
20 videos pertaining to "conspiracies"
surrounding the events of Port
Arthur, with several videos pertaining to Bryant's "innocence".
It is unknown how the footage was obtained,
but it also appeared on the internet in 2004 .

"Unfortunately
this isn't the first time that this training video has turned up in the
wider community," Deputy Commissioner Scott Tilyard said.

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"It has been known for some years that copies of the police training video have found their way into the public domain.
"A copy was located at a public tip in 2004, which led to an investigation."
Police Minister David O'Byrne said the footage was unlikely to have been stolen recently.
The video archive was upgraded in 2004.
"Tasmania
Police changed their procedures after discovering the material may be
in the public domain, in 2004," he said. "I'm advised no breach has
occurred since then and that the current procedures for handling such
material are secure."
Police are greatly concerned about the effect the video could have on the wider community.
"It
is highly distressing not only for the families of the victims, but for
the community, for these images to be available on the internet," Mr
Tilyard said.
Trauma psychologist Paul Stevenson, who worked for
many years with many of the survivors and victims' families, shared the
disbelief and horror about the posted video.

"To post this is a nasty, terrible thing to have occurred," the Brisbane-based consultant psychologist said.
"By
watching or hearing it is a re-experience - all of those things people
felt at the time come back. The tragedy occurs all over.
"This is very distressing ...
a real worry for families of victims
because
this is exactly what triggers
post-traumatic stress."


See also, why Team Tintin DON'T LINK to posts
and News 'they' cherry pick IMAGES and "quotes" from:


Dutch royals touch down on Aussie visit

October 25, 2006 - 3:39PM



Hobart has put on a chilly welcome for Dutch royals the Prince
of Orange Willem-Alexander
and Princess Maxima.


Premier Paul Lennon and Governor William Cox braved icy winds to
meet the royal couple from the Netherlands at Hobart airport on
Wednesday afternoon.


"We are very pleased and honoured that their royal highnesses
have chosen to include Tasmania in their Australian visit," Mr
Lennon said.

"I am particularly delighted that the royal couple has chosen to
spend two days in Tasmania visiting a number of our
attractions.


"Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to sight the
state that now bears his name
and the steady stream of Dutch
migrants to Tasmania have made an enormous contribution in so many
areas."

The couple's itinerary includes a tour of the Tasmanian Museum
and Art Gallery, a visit to Port Arthur and a private reception for
the Dutch community at the Henry Jones Art hotel.

The couple is in Australia on an official visit to celebrate 400
years since Dutch explorers landed
on the coast of Western
Australia.

They will fly to Sydney on Thursday afternoon and from there
they will travel to New Zealand.

©️ 2006
AAP

oh, there is much more to this old plot
that I must trust 'those who know' to deal with,
but it includes real links between
SOCCER, N & S KOREA,
CHINA & AUSTRALIA,
and 'tintin's' self proclaimed "EXPERTIZE" in
PLANE CRASHES.
tintin wrote: 17-10-2007, 06:51 PM #30

Quote:

Originally Posted by vera susa

You know TASMANIA was just one location in OZ where there were plans
to set up The Jewish Homeland...and then there's also the BOXING
KANGAROO and TASMANIAN DEVIL in Buggy Bunny, oh and that LITTLE PENGUIN
that was always lost, another OZZIE Native. Yep TAZZIE, a fascinating
place, and just so we don't forget it, the ABC is reminding us, again,
tomorrow night, with.....

Tasmanian Devil:
The Fast And Furious Life Of Errol Flynn

8:30pm Thursday, 18 Oct 2007 Documentary

Featuring never before seen archival footage, photographs and interviews with famous contemporary Christopher Lee (Lord of the Rings),
legendary Hollywood writer/director Vincent Sherman,
and two of Errol Flynn's daughters -
all of whom speak candidly about his revolutionary sympathies
and journalistic ambitions as well as his decadent lifestyle -
this is Errol Flynn as we've never seen him before.

Born in Tasmania, Errol Flynn was the romantic star of dozens of
Hollywood action movies.
But from his troubled childhood in Hobart, to his escape from Australia
after stealing the diamonds of his society lover
, then his death at the age of fifty in the arms of his teenage mistress, his real life was far more adventurous than any of his films.

Notorious for his love affairs, scandals and rebellious nature,
Flynn was also an aspiring journalist and served as war correspondent
at several armed conflicts worldwide.
He even scooped the first interview with Fidel Castro after the Cuban revolution.

His journalism and his fleeting Academy Award nomination for his
performance in The Sun Also Rises were his greatest personal achievements.

When Flynn died of massive heart failure after many years of
alcohol and drug abuse he was completely broke.
The high life and maintenance payments to his three ex-wives
had squandered his Hollywood fortune, and he had been forced to sell
even his beloved yacht and Mulholland Farm.

Always determined to get the most out of life no matter the cost,
Flynn stated in one of his last interviews,
"I've had a hell of a lot of fun and I wouldn't change any of it,
not for a minute."

Tasmanian Devil follows Flynn's life every step of the way
as he traversed great highs and terrible lows, interviewing his friends,
studio colleagues and children for the first comprehensive picture of
this notorious star.





Errol flynn died 14 October.
That's one day after TEMPLARS day.

SIMON TEMPLAR aka ROGER MOORE was
born that date.

Now checked Errol Flynn on Wiki and saw that
Errol Flynn played a part in the AVIATOR.
The movie about Howard Hughes.



Now look how many links there are to MADELEINE Mccann.
The movie the AVIATIOR.

LEONARDO DIcaprio.

He was named LEONARDO because he started kicking,
when his mother was pregnant, in front of
a LEONARDO DA VINCI painting.

All rubbish of course but it sounds great.
LEONARDO and LEONARDO DA VINCI.

In the MADELEINE McCann thread you can read about the
enormous importance of LEONARDO DA VINCI.
The BLOODLINE of JESUS and MARIA MAGDALENA.

Madeleine McCann was 1452 days old when she dissapeared.
Da Vinci was born 1452.

But back to the AVIATOR.



CATE blanchett played Katherine Hepburn.
the mother of Madeleine is KATE.
So a CATE and a KATE.



And another KAT. Katherine hepburn

KAT HEPBURN, born the
same date as
MADELEINE McCann.


Cate blanchett born 14 may. Two days after Maddie.
CATE, KAT, And KATE.
The three CATS of Anne Frank. MMM
(See the Maddie thread)

HOWARD HUGHES, the AVIATOR.
Was married to Jean PETERS

Jean Peters died
13 October Templars day.


Errol flynn was played by Jude Law in the movie.
But we have seen the ERROL FLYNN/TEMPLAR connection.

SIMON TEMPLAR, ROGER MOORE.

ROGER MOORE is IVANHOE.

loads of links from TEMPLAR James Bond, to Maddie Mccann

And you have seen the link from CATE Blanchett to Madeleine.
So where does CATE come from?

CATE Blanchett from
IVANHOE, Australia.


The wIVENHOE DAM=QUEENSLAND FLOODS...

Beautiful one day, broke the next


Paul Syvret

QUEENSLAND'S rapidly growing
debt bill since the floods
has created a chink in Australia's armour
of stellar credit ratings.
true lilly wrote:
cori wrote:
28-07-2011, 02:04 AM #29826




crosshairs
...and this was AFTER my OSLO/PORT ARTHUR WARNING post,
AFTER my AUSTRALIA in 'their' "crosshairs" WARNING post,
WHILE I was being blocked from David Icke's Official Forum.
true lilly wrote:Could Google have caught the Norway killer?

Asher Moses
July 28, 2011



Click to play video


'More openness' will prevent attacks

Norway's prime minister Jens Stoltenberg says that

Norwegians will defend themselves by showing they are not afraid of violence.

With all the data Google collects about us and our search
histories, could the company use its technical prowess to help catch
terrorists and mass murderers before they commit crimes?

Norwegian daily Dagbladet reported that
terrorist Anders Breivik spent 200 days searching Google for terms such
as "how to make a bomb" before he went on his rampage.

Already Google uses data from searches to improve its targeted advertising and search rankings - and even to track the spread of the flu - leading academic ideas site The Conversation to ask the question "Why didn't Google catch the Norway killer?"


Google searching is as helpful for terrorists as it is for the rest of us. Photo: Peter Riches

Speaking to the website, Charles Sturt University
computer science lecturer Craig Wright said he expected people in
European countries to call for search engines to monitor user behaviour
as a result of the attacks.

He said it "would be possible, but extremely difficult"
for Google to monitor searches and raise red flags for users who
frequently and repeatedly perform suspicious searches.

Wright's comments were prescient as in recent days politicians and police across Europe have called for expanded internet monitoring powers as a possible preventative measure.



The killer ... Anders Breivik, pictured on the internet.

"There may be moves towards greater monitoring, but less privacy for users," he said.

Already, Wright said, the Australian Federal Police and
the FBI could obtain court orders asking Google to monitor and flag
certain search terms.

Google can monitor or trace specific individuals via its Google accounts, IP addresses or even browser cookies.

Nigel Phair, a former Australian Federal Police officer
who is now a private security consultant, said real-time monitoring of
search queries would be a welcomed "additional intelligence tool for
national security agencies". Google could theoretically be a "good
citizen" and report users it has identified as potentially high risk.

However "you have to get over the privacy hurdles" first, which will be a significant barrier.

Futurist, inventor and judge on ABC's The New Inventors, Mark Pesce, said: "I suspect Chinese search engine Baidu does something like this for the Chinese government."

Professor Sanjay Chawla, head of the school of
information technology at the University of Sydney, is researching how
to make machines and algorithms learn and behave like humans do. For
instance, he is helping the insurance industry design technology to
distinguish between legitimate and fraudulent claims.

Professor Chawla said using Google to spot terrorists was
a tough technical challenge as "it's very hard to train computers or
design algorithms which can distinguish between a terrorist and a
non-terrorist".

"It could work but there will be lots of false positives and that can actually hurt Google more," he said.

"The number of terrorists is actually very small to create a
meaningful profile of what the average terrorist looks like."

In the case of targeted advertising, if Google's
algorithm got it wrong the worst outcome would be slightly reduced
profits. But when picking out terrorists there is a far lower tolerance
for errors.

And the idea of Google regularly monitoring search terms
without a court order would raise significant privacy issues.

"Yes, some kinds of automated monitoring would
occasionally produce a lead. But the leads would be swamped by the
massive false positives," said Roger Clarke, chairman of the Australian
Privacy Foundation.

"And the collateral damage to freedoms would be massive."

Danny Sullivan, editor-in-chief of Search Engine Land,
raised the point that searching for something - for example bomb making
instructions - wasn't the same as actually committing the criminal act.

And he also said that searching for mass murderers could be the thin edge of the wedge.

"Would it only look at things it believes are related to
mass murder? If you were searching for recreational drugs or pirated
content, should that be picked up and reported?" said Sullivan.

Of course, any real-time monitoring would be useless
without law enforcement using it to act. It has been reported that
Breivik was flagged for illegally purchasing a large amount of chemicals
online but Norway's intelligence service decided he was likely to be
using them in his farming business.

Mr Clarke said people with serious intent would find
plenty of ways to get around the monitoring, while the suggestion that
widespread real-time monitoring could enable real-time interventions by
law enforcement agencies was "fantasy land".

But Mr Clarke said he would support tightly targeted
monitoring of people based on reasonable grounds for suspicion and
judicial warrants.

Google Australia declined to comment.

This reporter is on Twitter: @ashermoses

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/could-google-have-caught-the-norway-killer-20110728-1i17r.html#ixzz1TMznHHqh

sorry, now that I got it to post, I won't waste time editing it back to legible...
only one of me on an out-dated, powerless p.c., against The World Wide WEB
of TERRORISTS...
true lilly wrote:"TINTIN" THE BOASTFULLY SELF CONFESSING
"EXPERT IN PLANE CRASHES"...


dixie d wrote: 26-07-2011, 11:26 PM #29807

I noticed two articles in the News today...

Morocco military plane crash kills 78

And...

Lockerbie bomber seen on TV rally

I notice the top article mentions Guelmin, and on that page you see the following...

Quote:

It is part of the Maghreb region, in addition to Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania, and Libya, with which it shares cultural, historical and linguistic ties.

I wonder if there is a link to Mauritania

The name Guelmim reminds me of Gremlin

Quote:

A gremlin is an imaginary creature commonly depicted as mischievous and mechanically oriented, with a specific interest in aircraft.
Gremlins' mischevious natures are simliar to those of English folkloric
imps, while their inclination to damage or dismantle machinery is more
modern.



I'm not sure if there is a link, I'll take a look.
Last edited by dixie d; 26-07-2011 at 11:56 PM.

28 July 2011
Last updated at 01:13 GMT


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Two die as Boeing 747 cargo jet
crashes off South Korea



Debris was found at sea after the Asiana Airlines plane went down

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Both
pilots aboard a China-bound Boeing 747 cargo jet were killed when it
crashed off South Korea after experiencing mechanical problems.

The plane, which was flying for South Korea's Asiana
Airlines, came down off Jeju island in the very south of the country,
local media report.

It had left Incheon en route to Pudong in China.

A South Korean coast guard boat found debris from the jet
in waters about 107km (66 miles) west of Jeju city.

After taking off at 0305 (1800 GMT) the plane disappeared
from radar at 0409 while trying to reach Jeju airport, the South Korean
news agency Yonhap reports. The wreckage was spotted at 0640.

Both the pilot and co-pilot were killed.

Heavy rain has lashed South Korea this week, with landslides
and floods killing dozens and causing havoc, but Asiana Airlines said it
was unclear whether the weather had caused any problems for the plane.

The 747, nicknamed the Jumbo Jet, has been in service around the world
for more than four decades, and is still in production.




A Disney-style Gremlin, as the mascot of Minnesota Wing Civil Air Patrol

A gremlin is an imaginary creature
commonly depicted as mischievous
and mechanically oriented,
with a
specific interest in aircraft.


The term "gremlin"
denoting a mischievous creature
that sabotages aircraft,
originates in Royal Air Force (RAF)
slang in the 1920s among the British pilots
stationed in Malta, the Middle East and India,
with the earliest recorded printed use being
in a poem published in the journal Aeroplane,
in Malta on April 10, 1929
...
...with later recollections of it having been told
by Battle of Britain Spitfire pilots
as early as 1940.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gremlin

714 747
GREMLIN JUMBO
EMERALD OZ
MITSRAYIM AMERICAS

...and THIS, REALLY GOT 'their' GOAT...

true lilly wrote:Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,

in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.


And why act as if you don't know the vast difference
between the carrying capacity of, STABLE, ARABLE,
WELL WATERED, LIVABLE, RICH LAND & SEAS,
and
VOLCANO, EARTHQUAKE, LANDSLIDE,
SAND & ICE DESERT RIDDLED lands,
full of wars over forever disputed and
shifting borders?


Please, Do Bother to read through ALL
The Words FULL DESCRIPTIVE MEANINGS,
including the root words:


Isa 22:20
And it shall come to pass in that day 3117,
that I will call 7121 my servant 5650
Eliakim 471
the son 1121 of Hilkiah 2518:

Isa 22:21
And I will clothe 3847 him with thy robe 3801,
and strengthen 2388 him with thy girdle 73,
and I will commit 5414 thy government 4475
into his hand 3027
: and he shall be a father 1
to the inhabitants 3427 of Jerusalem 3389,
and to the house 1004 of Judah 3063.

Isa 22:22
And the key 4668 of the house 1004 of David 1732
will I lay 5414 upon his shoulder 7926;
so he shall open 6605, and none shall shut 5462;
and he shall shut 5462, and none shall open 6605.

Rev 3:7
And 2532 to the angel 32 of the church 1577 in 1722
Philadelphia 5359 write 1125;
These things 3592 saith 3004 he that is holy 40,
he that is true 228, he that hath 2192 the key 2807
of David 1138
, he that openeth 455, and 2532
no man 3762 shutteth 2808; and 2532 shutteth 2808,
and 2532 no man 3762 openeth 455;


true lilly wrote:Do you see what I see?

Do you wonder why it was done?



Artificial color image
of the Double Helix Nebula,
thought to be generated at the
galactic center by magnetic torsion
1000 times greater than the sun's.

Yep, a STAR of DAVID
circled by 12 more
POINTS of LIGHT.


And if you click on to the full sized image, also...

The Tudor rose
is used as the plant badge of
England.

Smile
London 2012 Olympics:
medal designs unveiled


MORE Wink here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/8665946/London-2012-Olympics-medal-designs-unveiled.html

Now why would a world full of
CONspiracy 'sleuths' keep avoiding,
the topic of the "O" in ZION

(in The Centre of this circle
representing The World),


looking just like OZ, O'ZION,
AUSTRALIA
,
even with the 'dot' of the "I" there
for little Tasmania?



Could it be for the same reason 'they' also
keep avoiding
the topic of who Australia
can thank for BOOMING while
the rest of
the world, is crashing?




Moreover, thou son 1121 of man 120,
take 3947 thee one 259 stick 6086,
and write 3789 upon it, For Judah 3063,
and for the children 1121 of Israel 3478
his companions 2270:
then take 3947 another 259 stick 6086,
and write 3789 upon it, For Joseph 3130,
the stick 6086 of Ephraim 669,
and [for] all the house 1004 of Israel 3478
his companions 2270:

And join 7126 them one 259 to another 259
into one 259 stick 6086;
and they shall become one 259
in thine hand 3027.


Moreover I will make 3772
a covenant 1285 of peace 7965 with them;
it shall be an everlasting 5769 covenant 1285
with them:
and I will place 5414 them,
and multiply 7235 them, and will set 5414
my sanctuary 4720 in the midst 8432 of them


for evermore 5769.

My tabernacle 4908 also shall be with them:
yea, I will be their God 430,
and they shall be my people 5971.

And the heathen 1471 shall know 3045
that
I the LORD 3068 do sanctify 6942 Israel 3478,
when my sanctuary 4720 shall be in the midst 8432

of them for evermore 5769.


Please, Do Bother to read through ALL
The Words FULL DESCRIPTIVE MEANINGS,
including the root words:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=37&v=1&t=KJV#top
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Post  true lilly on Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:53 pm

Fine, ADVERTISE, who I've busted,
by removing the evidence.
It's not anyone who reads here,
that will act on it.

But those who do read every key stroke,
who are not betraying this glorious land,
at least, know who attacks me, and why.

As for the average reader, they only need see,
that their 'friends' in forum land, are no one's friends,
but self serving, back stabbing traitors of all things,
just and true...and their BOTS.

Australia the victim of 'massive' cyber espionage
Dylan Welch

August 1, 2011


Canberra is seen as the soft underbelly of the Western intelligence club. Photo: Louise Kennerley

CYBER espionage is being used against Australia on a
''massive scale'' and some foreign spies are using Australian government
networks to penetrate the cyber defences of allies such as the US, ASIO
chief David Irvine has told business leaders.

Mr Irvine's speech is one of the strongest indications
yet of the seriousness with which the government is treating the cyber
threat.

''Electronic intelligence gathering is now a huge
industry,'' Mr Irvine said. ''It is being used against Australia on a
massive scale to extract confidential information from governments, the
private sector and ordinary individuals.''

He hinted that Australia is often targeted by foreign
spies as an easy access point into the intelligence holdings of the US
and Britain.

Describing the security threat posed by cyber as
''pervasive and insidious'' he continued: ''Worse, our own territory can
be used to surreptitiously penetrate the cyber defences of our friends
and allies.''

Canberra has long been seen as the soft underbelly of the
Western intelligence club - the alliance of Australia, Canada, New
Zealand, Britain and the US - and foreign nations are known to target
Australia in order to steal our allies' intelligence.

With the rise of cyber espionage, foreign states now
target Australia's relatively less protected government systems to
access secret material held by the US and Britain.

The growth of the cyber threat has risen in parallel with
global internet usage, which has soared from about 360 million in 2000
to over 2 billion people last year. Considered to be the greatest
content provision system the world has ever seen, the internet has left
governments and industry struggling to deal with the myriad of security
concerns it has left in its wake.

''From our perspective, I can say that it seems the more rocks we turn over in cyber space, the more we find,'' Mr Irvine said.

''Internet and increased connectivity has expanded
infinitely the opportunities for the covert acquisition of information
by state-sponsored and non-state sponsored actors.''

There is a general recognition that the fast pace of
online development means the advantage currently lies with those who
seek to intrude upon, rather than those who try to protect, online
systems.

Last week Graham Ingram, the general manager of Australia
independent cyber emergency unit AusCERT, told a security conference
that Australia was as much as five years behind regarding the issue of
cyber security.

Earlier this year it was revealed that foreign spies,
likely Chinese, hacked into Parliament House's email system and stole
thousands of messages from at least 10 government ministers including
the Prime Minister and the ministers for foreign affairs and defence.

Mr Irvine's speech, on July 5, came only days before the
US Department of Defence (DoD) released its latest response to the cyber
threat, a strategy designed to protect its 7 million computers and
other devices.

In doing so, it revealed that ''some foreign intelligence
organisations have already acquired the capacity to disrupt elements
of DoD's information infrastructure'.

The US has previously revealed that every year an amount
of intellectual property larger than the entire contents of the Library
of Congress - some 22 million books - is stolen from US networks run by
businesses, universities and government.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/australia-the-victim-of-massive-cyber-espionage-20110731-1i6hc.html#ixzz1TjOu7pI3

Man accused of Facebook bomb threat
Anne Tarasov

July 31, 2011


New way to scare ... a bomb threat was posted on Facebook. Photo: Reuters

A CLEANING business owner used Facebook to threaten to
''kill all Christians and Jews'' and bomb Sydney, police allege.

Khaled Zakaria, 30, faced Parramatta Bail Court yesterday
charged with one count of using a mobile phone to menace or harass and
two counts of making hoax threats using a mobile phone.

In documents tendered to the court, police said Mr
Zakaria, of Greenacre, threatened to bomb intelligence agency ASIO,
stab officers at Goulburn's super-max jail and ''get'' officers at
Bankstown police station under the Facebook profiles Kay Zee, Khaled
Ibn-Al Walid and Khaled Ibn-Alwalie.

Police alleged Mr Zakaria posted threatening comments on
the Ban the Burka and Sharia for Australia Facebook pages, including:
''There's going to be a big bang in the City of Sydney on 30th of July,
2011. Watch out. Bang Bang.''

Following Mr Zakaria's arrest on Friday by officers from
the joint counter-terrorism team and the Middle Eastern Organised Crime
Squad, police searched his house and car and seized two mobile phones
and other related items.

Mr Zakaria's lawyer, Derek Druitt, told the court his
client may be a victim of mistaken identity because he employs three
people, one of whom has a similar name and initials. He said the
''hoax'' messages were posted using a work phone used by everyone at the
company.

Magistrate George Zdenkowski refused bail, saying the protection of the community is at stake.

Mr Zakaria is expected to appear at Downing Centre Local Court on Wednesday.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/man-accused-of-facebook-bomb-threat-20110730-1i5ei.html#ixzz1TjZ7zAkm
Australia a sitting duck for hacker attacks

Dylan Welch

August 1, 2011

CYBER espionage is used against Australia on a ''massive
scale'' and foreign spies are using government networks to penetrate
the digital defences of allies such as the US, according to the ASIO
chief, David Irvine.

Mr Irvine, in a speech delivered to business leaders ahead of the
Security In Government conference, gave one of the strongest
indications yet of the seriousness with which the government is treating
the cyber threat.

''Electronic intelligence gathering is now a huge industry,'' he told the audience.

''It is being used against Australia on a massive scale to extract
confidential information from governments, the private sector and
ordinary individuals.''

Mr Irvine hinted that Australia was targeted by foreign spies as an
access point into the intelligence holdings of the US and Britain.

Describing the security threat as ''pervasive and insidious'' he added:
''Worse, our own territory can be used to surreptitiously penetrate the
cyber defences of our friends and allies.''

Canberra has long been seen as the soft underbelly of the Western
intelligence club - Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Britain and the
US.

The growth of the cyber threat has risen in parallel with internet
usage, which has soared from about 360 million in 2000 to more than 2
billion people last year.

The internet has left governments and industry struggling to deal with many security concerns.

''From our perspective, I can say that it seems the more rocks we turn over in cyberspace, the more we find,'' Mr Irvine said.

''Internet and increased connectivity has expanded infinitely the
opportunities for the covert acquisition of information by
state-sponsored and non-state sponsored actors.''

The fast pace of online development means the advantage lies with those
who seek to intrude upon, rather than those who try to protect, online
systems.

Last week Graham Ingram, the general manager of Australian independent
cyber emergency unit AusCERT, told a security conference Australia was
as much as five years behind regarding cyber security.

Earlier this year it was revealed that foreign spies, likely Chinese,
hacked into Parliament House's email system and stole thousands of
messages from at least 10 government ministers including the Prime
Minister and the ministers for foreign affairs and defence.

Mr Irvine said another increasing need was to secure private, but nationally critical, infrastructure from foreign intrusion.

Governments are increasingly concerned about the potential for foreign
states to hack into and shut down or take control of industrial control
systems that operate sewerage, power, water.

The concerns have been heightened by the advent of Stuxnet - a piece of
malicious code widely believed to have been created by Israel with US
assistance which hacked into Iran's Natanz nuclear reactor.

The head of the US Department of Homeland Security's cybersecurity
office, Roberta Stempfley, told a US Senate committee on Tuesday that
the increasing amount of public information about Stuxnet could see
people re-engineer it for new purposes.

''Looking ahead, the department is concerned that attackers could use
the increasingly public information about the code to develop variants
targeted at broader installations of programmable equipment in control
systems,'' she said.

Mr Irvine spoke on July 5, days before the US Department of Defence (DoD) released its latest response to the cyber threat.

It revealed that ''some foreign intelligence organisations have already
acquired the capacity to disrupt elements of DoD's information
infrastructure''.

The US says every year an amount of intellectual property larger than
the Library of Congress - 22 million books - is stolen from US
businesses, universities and government networks.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/australia-a-sitting-duck-for-hacker-attacks-20110731-1i6io.html#ixzz1TjVX9kty

Report: Scotland Yard Identifies LulzSec Hacker


By Chloe Albanesius





The teenage hacker arrested last week in the U.K. for his alleged involvement with Anonymous and LulzSec is reportedly an 18-year-old named Jake Davis.

Scotland Yard on Sunday revealed that the hacker known as "Topiary"
is actually Davis, from the U.K.'s Shetland Islands, according to
security firm Sophos and Daily Mail crime reporter Chris Greenwood.

Davis will appear in a London court on Monday morning, Greenwood tweeted.

Scotland Yard has not yet posted any new information about the case since the Wednesday arrest. In a Sunday blog post, however, Sophos' Graham Cluley said Davis has five charges against him:

  • Unauthorized access to a computer system, contrary to Section 3 of the Computer Misuse Act 1990.
  • Encouraging / assisting offences, contrary to S46 of the Serious Crime Act 2007.
  • Conspiracy with others to carry out a Distributed Denial of Service Attack on the Web site of the Serious and Organised Crime Agency contrary to S1 Criminal Law Act 1977.
  • Conspiracy to commit offences of section 3 Computer Misuse Act 1990, contrary to S1 Criminal Law Act 1977.
  • Conspiracy between the defendant and others to commit offences of
    section 3 Computer Misuse Act 1990 contrary to S1 Criminal Law Act 1977.
Cluley also said a source told him Davis is an "avid online chess
player" and was arrested on the northern island of Yell. "Frankly, it's
hard to imagine a more remote place in the British Isles to be," he
wrote.

Last week, Scotland Yard said it had arrested a man who "is believed
to be linked to an ongoing international investigation in to the
criminal activity of the so-called 'hacktivist' groups Anonymous and
LulzSec, and uses the online nickname 'Topiary' which is presented as
the spokesperson for the groups."

The day after that announcement, the LulzSec Exposed blog said
Scotland Yard had arrested the wrong person because its evidence
suggested that Topiary was actually a 22-year-old Swedish man named
Daniel Sandberg. That, however, has not been confirmed.

As PCMag pointed out in a recent overview of the key LulzSec players, Topiary
is reportedly second-in-command within LulzSec, though he is thought to
be the least tech-savvy in the group. As a result, he acted as a PR
liaison for Anonymous before moving over to LulzSec.

He recently deleted posts from the @atopiary Twitter account; it now only has one tweet from July 21: its new "You cannot arrest an idea" tagline. The bio on that Twitter page says Topiary is a "simple
prankster turned swank garden hedge [who] worked with Anonymous,
LulzSec, and other such paragons of intense cyber victory. You are
free."

The @LulzSec Twitter feed has not been updated since July 27, the day of Davis' arrest. A recent tweet
from the @AnonymousIRC feed encouraged officials, in all caps, to free
Topiary and other hackers who have been arrested in recent weeks, including "tflow."

Members of Anonymous and LulzSec have been arrested throughout the
world in recent months, including Spain, Turkey, the U.K., the
Netherlands, and the United States. In retaliation, Anonymous recently organized a boycott of PayPal, though the company said that effort had little effect.

For more from Chloe, follow her on Twitter @ChloeAlbanesius.

New probe into computer hacking at NoW
Ravi Somaiya, London

August 1, 2011


More investigations ... James Murdoch, left, and father Rupert, right. Photo: REUTERS TV

LONDON: Scotland Yard is to expand its investigation of News of the World
and its parent company, adding possible instances of computer hacking
to the accusations of phone hacking and payments to police officers.

The new investigation was opened following ''a number of
allegations regarding breach of privacy'' received since the
Metropolitan Police reopened inquiries in January into possible crimes
by newspaper employees, a statement said.

A police spokesman declined to answer further questions.
But a former British Army intelligence officer in Northern Ireland, Ian
Hurst, said in a statement that he had been contacted by investigators
about allegations he had made ''in regards to my family's computer
being illegally accessed over a sustained period during 2006''.

A spokeswoman for News International refused to comment on the new inquiry.

The investigation opens another front for News
International, the British arm of Rupert Murdoch's media empire, already
shaken by a scandal that has seen the 168-year-old News of the World close and the resignations of two of Britain's top police officers.

Dozens of civil lawsuits have been filed over allegations
of phone hacking, and the US Department of Justice and the FBI have
also announced preliminary investigations into whether the wrongdoing
had tainted Murdoch's American interests.

On Friday John Whittingdale, the chairman of a
parliamentary investigative panel, said it was likely that James
Murdoch, the heir-apparent to his father's businesses, would be recalled
to testify because of allegations that he had previously misled
parliament.

Jonathan Chapman, the former head of corporate and legal
affairs at News International, claimed that there were ''serious
inaccuracies'' in statements made to the Commons' culture, media and
sport select committee by Mr Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks, the company's
former chief executive.

In a letter to MPs, Mr Chapman said he was ''willing
fully to co-operate with the select committee in its investigations in
order to ensure that the truth is established''.

The New York Times; Telegraph, London

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/new-probe-into-computer-hacking-at-now-20110731-1i6gg.html#ixzz1TjZyN41E

'Evil' hacker blows kiss as he awaits bail application

Janice Harris
August 1, 2011 - 10:15AM



Australian Federal Police agent Ben Base and Department of Public Prosecutions' Katriona Musgrove enter court. Photo: Steve Gosch/Central Western Daily Photo: Steve Gosch/Central Western Dail

DETAILS surrounding the methods David Noel Cecil
allegedly used to hack into an internet provider linked to the National
Broadband Network will remain a mystery until his next court appearance
on Wednesday in his home town of Cowra.

Cecil, who under the moniker of "Evil" has been charged
with hacking into the service provider Platform Networks, did not apply
for bail during a brief court appearance last Friday.

His partner, who sat crying through the proceedings, was
shattered when he was led away to a prison van for the second time in
two days.

Handcuffed and wearing prison greens, Cecil maintained eye contact, blowing her a kiss before he was led away.

Cecil's solicitor Andrew Rolfe told magistrate Terry
Lucas his client was not applying for bail yesterday but would seek bail
this Wednesday in Cowra.

Katriona Musgrove of the Department of Public
Prosecutions told the court the Australian Federal Police intend to
proceed with 49 charges against the unemployed truck driver, however no
facts were tendered to the court.

Australian Federal Police executed a search warrant on
Cecil's home in Cowra on Monday last week, confiscating a computer and
other items which will be used as evidence in the case against the man
who has been under surveillance for six months.

The AFP has claimed his hacking activities posed a threat to the national infrastructure of the NBN.

Central Western Daily

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/evil-hacker-blows-kiss-as-he-awaits-bail-application-20110801-1i71q.html#ixzz1TjcjSh50

...gee, and here I am, the most hated, most hacked and
literally, physically attacked, by the most active, Poster 'names',
FOR posting real world facts, that none of 'them' dare...the real
world facts that show God's Word to be Faithful and True.

Now what does that tell any thinking person, about
the Forum Poster 'names' that 'befriend' them...


...and what does it tell them about why I'm still kicking,
but would rather risk dying, before denying The Creator God I serve
Wink Very Happy
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Post  Billy Ruben on Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:01 pm

but what happened to the perfect second life...I don't hate God,kind of think you suck a bit,but alright...
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Post  true lilly on Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:35 pm

Why does "tintin" IGNORE ALL
"his" once favourite "connections"
WHEN THEY DO ACTUALLY CONNECT
in MAJOR GLOBAL NEWS?

BECAUSE "TINTIN'S" CODED ORDERS
HAVE ALREADY BEEN RECEIVED BY THEN!

Read "his" Thread BACKWARDS,
and SEE FOR YOURSELVES!


BLESSED AGAIN...by The Faithful
having learned to "Read"
'David Icke's'=Team TINTIN/CORI's
CODED TERRORIST PLOTS...


Train driver averts rail disaster


1:45PM
Nick Leys


A TRAIN carrying at least 300 passengers

avoided disaster when the driver managed to stop
just 20m short of a break in the track.


Train driver averts disaster
after pulling up 20m from break in track


By Nick Leys
From:
Herald Sun


August 01, 2011
1:59PM


AN interstate train
carrying at least 300 passengers
narrowly avoided disaster
thanks to a fast-acting driver
who managed to stop the train
just twenty metres short of a break
in the track.


Three investigations into the incident are now underway
to determine why the Melbourne to Sydney V-Line train
was incorrectly routed onto a track undergoing maintenance.

V-Line passenger train 8615

was one and a half kilometres north of Seymour
and travelling at about 80 km/h

when the driver saw a maintenance vehicle ahead
and applied the breaks coming to a standstill
just before
the
two metre break in the track.

The train then reversed back into Seymour.

The Rail, Tram and Bus Union's Mark Marotta said
the train would not have been able to stop
if it had been travelling at full speed.


"It wouldn't have stopped.
People would have lost their lives,''
he said.
The driver and maintenance crew
are understood to be badly shaken by the incident.

A spokesman for Australian Rail Track Corporation,
who operate the track, said they acknowledge
the criticality and seriousness of the incident
and have initiated a full internal investigation.


"The Victorian Office of the Chief Investigator
has also advised that they will be conducting
an independent inquiry
into the incident.

"Additionally Transport Safety Victoria
will also be conducting
their own investigation/compliance audit
into this incident.''


An interesting new poster
has appeared on "tintin's" thread...

...right after "yass" posted...


V



...we see...

...stormrider73


Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Irkutsk, Siberia
Posts: 37

...who then posted...




...who I find an awful lot like...



...interesting to, that it is on the previous page:

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2986

...that "tintin" and his team, start their
blatantly obvious DEFENCE of BREIVIK
and his fellow PUPPETS and HANDLERS
(including clearly marked locals), while
also starting their blatantly obvious call
for ALL OUT WAR AGAINST GOD'S, HOLY,
ETERNAL KINGDOM.


Many clearly angry, clearly foolish (for being
so clearly direct), orders follow...

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2987
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2988
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2989

...though, despite knowing nothing of:

stormrider73...

...and not even being able to access,
"all posts by" them, they do seem to,
be hinting at a warning against loyalty,
to the inherently dis-loyal "tintin" and
his team...


..."Those people certainly know each other "
Last edited by stormrider73; 31-07-2011 at 05:09 AM.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2990

Now as "tintin", WHO:
STATES that AUSTRALIA IS THE LAND
GOD PRESERVED for
HIS RE-GATHERED FAITHFUL;
CLAIMS TO "BE christ",
(But NOT 'THE PERFECT'
RESURRECTED SON of GOD),
also then BANNED POSTS on ANYTHING
ACTUALLY TO BE FOUND IN GOD'S WORD...


[quote="true lilly"]
A thinking person has to ask...




"CORI" says...again and again...

that "CORI" WANTS 99.9% of ALL HUMAN BEINGS DEAD...

...oh, and that
"I" am "evil", FOR WARNING THE WORLD
about THE "CORI'S" PRETENDING to be their 'friends' Rolling Eyes


true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:This is NOT a 'typo' of 'tintin's',
that I've highlighted here:


TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.


Richard Wagner

ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.
__________________________________________________________________

ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK has not 'died'.
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was BORN 96 years
AFTER RICHARD WAGNER

32 years, 5 months, 9 days after

ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK was born,
ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK, KILLED...8 + 69 = 77...
or so we are now, officially told...but
"tintin" ALWAYS IGNORES
ALL NUMBERS and DATES that DON'T SUIT
the CODED ORDERS HE SENDS AT THE TIME...
and, "tintin" CODES 'speak to' different
people, at different 'levels'

...the simple messages, to the simple,
'dumb bunnies', 'raised' to be sacrificed, with the computer code,
behind the simple public posts, for those he doesn't want dead, YET.

...and in this post,
"TINTIN" IS CALLING "CELLS" of his,
("dumb bunny", bitterly waiting to stop pretending,
that they 'love' the men they 'got in with'),
WOmen to KILL...

(full post at link;#29876)

tintin wrote: 30-07-2011, 07:10 PM#29876


Playboy Rabbit Hole


We are in the year of the RABBIT and that's the RABBI link
to ISRAEL and to the RABBIT HOLE and UTOYA is in HOLE municipality.

TRISTAN was the killer in ALPHEN.



Wagner

TRISTAN and ISOLDE, RICHARD WAGNER Opera.





Richard Wagner


ANDERS BEHRING BREIVIK died 96 years
after RICHARD WAGNER.

WAGNER died on 13 FEBRUARY 1883 in CA' VENDRAMIN in VENICE.


Ca' Vendramin: Casino

Ca' Vendramin is the CASINO of VENICE.

The CASINO ROYALE link to NORWAY.

...and I must trust God,
has called those who need to know,
to protect themselves from such WOmen.


The Very Best News Ever!
That God Exists and Keeps All His Promises!



JEREMIAH 50:
1
The word that Jehovah spoke
concerning Babylon,
concerning the land of the Chal·de´ans,
by means of Jeremiah the prophet:

2
“Tell [it] among the nations and publish [it].
And lift up a signal; publish [it].

Hide nothing, O men....

4
“In those days and at that time,”

is the utterance of Jehovah,
“the sons of Israel,
they and the sons of Judah together,
will come.
They will walk,
weeping as they walk,
and
for Jehovah their God they will seek.


5
To Zion they will keep asking the way,

with their faces in that direction, [saying,]
‘Come and let us join ourselves to Jehovah
in an indefinitely lasting covenant that
will not be forgotten.’


6
A flock of perishing creatures
my people has
become.
Their own shepherds

have caused them to wander about.

On the mountains they have led them away.
From mountain to hill they have gone.
They have forgotten their resting-place. [/size]
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=50&v=1&t=KJV#top

...and I strongly suggest you bother to
study every word...remembering, that
I don't, 'go looking for bits' of 'the bible',
to 'justify' denying God's Word to sell
yet another of man's religions...I pray,
in faith, for His Advice,
and bingo!, of
All the Topics Under The Sun, covered
In His Word, it's the topic I'm writing on,
that the pages open, and my eyes see.
Oh, and lets not forget that
like CONspiracy forums and WIKIleaks,
WIKIpedia is a CODE SOURCE of the
"tintin/Assange"=BREIVIK's
of the world...
and so, note...on, 1-8-2011


Today's featured picture


The flower of an Isophysis tasmanica plant, the only member of the Isophysis genus in the iris family. The plant is endemic to the mountains of Western Tasmania, growing in heathland on sandy soils. It has grass-like foliage and star-like dark red-purple or yellow flowers with reflexed tepals, as well as a characteristic superior ovary, which distinguishes it from other Iridaceae.

Photo: JJ Harrison

...AFTER my earlier WARNING Post, on 28-7-2011...
http://sodlikeproductions.motion-forum.net/t1122p60-terrorist-and-other-coded-posts-on-david-icke-forum


true lilly wrote:Remember, it isn't only The Enemy=Team Tintin/Assange et al
watching every keystroke, and it isn't the average citizen who
needs to know the plots and counter plots, so deleting my posts
that show Team Tintin to be the enemy, doesn't matter, in fact,
it only serves to highlight what tintin wishes he didn't let slip.

So while he's gloating over pulling off the Oslo massacre, lets
compare one of his old posts (Pre-Gloating over 'their' plot to
TAKE AUSTRALIA), and TODAY'S NEWS...


...btw, 'tintin' also 'speaks' in 'reverse' a lot,
as he luuvvvsssss to mockingly gloat 'they' do;
here he is also laughing at so many buying
his 'way',
a "HOLLOW CON"...


tintin wrote:17-10-2007, 03:36 PM #22
HolloWAY and ConWAY.
and it were CON man behind it.
Not the usual conmen but the more dangerous ones, the
ones that pose as DECENT citizens.
(as 'tintin' so often
proclaims himself, while slandering those of us who warn
the world about the likes of him)


And Holloway and Maddie Mccann are closely connected.
So this TASMANIAN story most certainly is an
important message.


Tasmanie or van DIEMENS LAND.
Diemen as DEMON.
hadn't thought of that but it's very true.
DIEMEN in Holland, named after Jan van Diemen.

Road 112 to DIEMEN
European alarm number.


Diemen or DEMON.

DIEMEN is the most
dangerous town in Holland.


It's a wealthy suburb of Amsterdam, and a lot
of Criminals from Amsterdam have their appartment in
Diemen.
Saw it on Teletext, Diemen most dangerous....
Very surprised because it looks so peaceful.

Anyway, but the DEMON link is fitting.



The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

Martin bryant was the patsy.

MARTIN. or MARTINI.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.
So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?



Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.


Martin Bryant.
Killed 35 people.
Well VERA, here is a bit of MAGIC you were asking for.
(yep, for tintin to show his hand)

HARRY POTTER, Dutch
prime minister, born the same
date as MARTIN BRYANT.


He is Jan Peter Balkenende and his nick
is Harry Potter.

the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.
but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL.

So just to give a bit of background info on
the DUTCH connection to Tasmania.

And the school Bryant went to is
Marcelinn College, run by the MARISTS.
that the SOCIETY of MARY.

Here we have that MARY link.
The Bloodline of MARY Magdalena.

MARCELINN CHAMPAGNAT.
born 20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.
The thirteenth satanic Bloodline.

Now remember, it was under the name, "Cruise",
that "tintin" first said he'd "swim to Tasmania",
and that under the name, "Aarnout van der Plooge",
"tintin" claimed to be from Groningen...and then look
at how this 'EXPERT WITH NUMBERS', gets such simple,
basic math, so 'wrong'...'wrong' my foot!
It's a PLOT SCRIPT!

"The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.

20 MAY. 13 days after
the Massacre.


the port atrhur Massacre was 28 april.

but when in Holland it's still partly 27 april at the same time.
The PRINCE of ORANGE is born 27 APRIL."

So what's with the MAY 20 & 13?
13 May=my birthday.
20 May=my daughter's.


So? It's not about me, but, it is about 'them' trying to
force the whole world to Deny The Holy Spirit of
The Creator God I serve, Who Warned us of 'their' plots
to do so (through BLOODY, UNJUST, SLAUGHTERS,
And, THE WEB NET of SPIES and LIES IN OUR HOUSES),

From The Beginning.


And, DON'T FORGET ASSANGE/AARNOUT'S BUNKER of
COMPUTERS storing "INSURANCE"
in the form of HACKED
and otherwise collected ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS.


Now read back from here:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=2983
where Team Tintin are having "FUN" STILL GLOATING
over the OSLO SLAUGHTERS,
to TODAY'S NEWS.

Horrific Port Arthur footage on YouTube

  • Meryl Naidoo and Brian Ward

  • From:
    News Limited newspapers

  • July 28, 2011
    12:00AM

  • 17 comments


Mourners gather to remember the victims of the Port Arthur massacre.
Herald Sun


Port Arthur mass murderer Martin Bryant.
Supplied

HORRIFIC footage of the aftermath
of the 1996 Port Arthur massacre
has been uploaded on YouTube.

Police aretrying to trace
the account holder,
whose uploaded under
the alias "FreeMartinBryant".

The nine-minute evidence video
was stolen from the Tasmanian Police archive.

It
contains graphic images of some of the 35 people shot dead at the
tourist spot, and police last night were trying to have it removed from
the internet.
FreeMartinBryant's user profile contains more than
20 videos pertaining to "conspiracies"
surrounding the events of Port
Arthur, with several videos pertaining to Bryant's "innocence".
It is unknown how the footage was obtained,
but it also appeared on the internet in 2004 .

"Unfortunately
this isn't the first time that this training video has turned up in the
wider community," Deputy Commissioner Scott Tilyard said.

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"It has been known for some years that copies of the police training video have found their way into the public domain.
"A copy was located at a public tip in 2004, which led to an investigation."
Police Minister David O'Byrne said the footage was unlikely to have been stolen recently.
The video archive was upgraded in 2004.
"Tasmania
Police changed their procedures after discovering the material may be
in the public domain, in 2004," he said. "I'm advised no breach has
occurred since then and that the current procedures for handling such
material are secure."
Police are greatly concerned about the effect the video could have on the wider community.
"It
is highly distressing not only for the families of the victims, but for
the community, for these images to be available on the internet," Mr
Tilyard said.
Trauma psychologist Paul Stevenson, who worked for
many years with many of the survivors and victims' families, shared the
disbelief and horror about the posted video.

"To post this is a nasty, terrible thing to have occurred," the Brisbane-based consultant psychologist said.
"By
watching or hearing it is a re-experience - all of those things people
felt at the time come back. The tragedy occurs all over.
"This is very distressing ...
a real worry for families of victims
because
this is exactly what triggers
post-traumatic stress."


See also, why Team Tintin DON'T LINK to posts
and News 'they' cherry pick IMAGES and "quotes" from:


Dutch royals touch down on Aussie visit

October 25, 2006 - 3:39PM


Hobart has put on a chilly welcome for Dutch royals the Prince
of Orange Willem-Alexander
and Princess Maxima.


Premier Paul Lennon and Governor William Cox braved icy winds to
meet the royal couple from the Netherlands at Hobart airport on
Wednesday afternoon.


"We are very pleased and honoured that their royal highnesses
have chosen to include Tasmania in their Australian visit," Mr
Lennon said.

"I am particularly delighted that the royal couple has chosen to
spend two days in Tasmania visiting a number of our
attractions.


"Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to sight the
state that now bears his name
and the steady stream of Dutch
migrants to Tasmania have made an enormous contribution in so many
areas."

The couple's itinerary includes a tour of the Tasmanian Museum
and Art Gallery, a visit to Port Arthur and a private reception for
the Dutch community at the Henry Jones Art hotel.

The couple is in Australia on an official visit to celebrate 400
years since Dutch explorers landed
on the coast of Western
Australia.

They will fly to Sydney on Thursday afternoon and from there
they will travel to New Zealand.

©️ 2006
AAP

oh, there is much more to this old plot
that I must trust 'those who know' to deal with,
but it includes real links between
SOCCER, N & S KOREA,
CHINA & AUSTRALIA,
and 'tintin's' self proclaimed"EXPERTIZE" in
PLANE CRASHES.
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Nixon still on the hunt for excuses to hide behind


Christine Nixon is still looking for excuses, argues Andrew Bolt.
Picture: Jay Town
Herald Sun



RUPERT Murdoch's wicked empire strikes again -
- poor Christine -- and the true danger is revealed.

This latest Murdoch crime was revealed in The Age on Thursday
under the screaming front-page headline,
"News out to ruin me: Nixon".

In the sympathetic article underneath, former chief commissioner
Christine Nixon accused the Murdoch-owned News Ltd of trying to do her in.

"She believed she had been subject to a relentless campaign by News Ltd
papers, particularly the Herald Sun, since she retired following the
Black Saturday bushfires on February 7, 2009, to force her from public
life.

"In the 2 1/2 years since retiring, they have run a vendetta
against me. They have published articles and beat up stories saying I
am not supposed to teach courses, shouldn't be allowed to sit on boards,
not allowed to do leadership lectures, should have quit my job as chair
of the Bushfire Recovery Authority, should not mentor people, and the
final one is I am not allowed to write a book."

Related Coverage


Black Saturday : Furious families await fire cash


Much of that is exaggerated or untrue.
To express amazement that Nixon lectures on leadership
after her catastrophic lack of it on Black Saturday

is not the same as saying she should be "not allowed" to lecture or write.

But read on:
"Ms Nixon said what had emerged overseas following the
News of the World hacking scandal was that News Ltd
tries to intimidate people who get in its way."

Ah, how clever of Nixon to use that scandal to excuse herself
and appeal to the commercial and ideological interests of The Age.

To recap: a few reporters on one Murdoch newspaper in London have,
years later, been found to have hacked into phones and bribed police for
information.

Other non-Murdoch British tabloids have since been accused of
similar tactics, which seem a hallmark of a kind of British reporting,
rather than Murdoch ethics.


Indeed, no Murdoch paper here has ever been accused of such crimes,
but that hasn't stopped opportunists of the Left from trying to now silence them.

Deputy Greens leader Christine Milne
demands an inquiry into the "bias" of News Ltd papers,
which she accuses of "running a very strong campaign
against action on climate change".


Prime Minister Julia Gillard
says she's open to the idea of a media inquiry, claiming Murdoch
newspapers had "hard questions to answer".

She, too, wants to cow the papers that have chased hardest the story
of how she's wasted billions of your dollars.

Meanwhile the far-Left Age gives an ear to any huckster touting a story of
Murdoch wickedness that might hurt its competition. So along comes Nixon.

You know her story.
She was the police chief meant to
co-ordinate the state's emergency response,
yet on Black Saturday two
years ago deserted her post.
On a day on which 173 people died,
she first went to the hairdresser
before calling into the emergency centre.

She then retired to her office for 45 minutes
to work on the very memoir she's now published.
At 6pm, after a short stint back in the
emergency centre, she went home
.

The royal commission last year was puzzled. Why?
What did you do then?

Here is Nixon's response:
"I had a meal and then I went backwards and forwards.
I was obviously listening to the radio...and watching
television and also, obviously ... other sources as well."

As it turned out, that statement was deeply misleading.
Why do we know this?
Back to The Age's diatribe against the Murdoch press
and one of its imps, Herald Sun editor Simon Pristel.

"Pristel rang (Nixon's) media person one night at 6 o'clock
during the bushfires royal commission and asked if it was true
that on the night of Black Saturday she had held a party at home
to celebrate her departure from Victoria Police.

"The spokeswoman told him it was not true, but
that Ms Nixon had gone to a local hotel for a quick meal
with her husband, her father and a friend.

"It was a fishing exercise.
Pristel was still quite new to the job, and one of the trademarks of his
editorship would be to bring to the Herald Sun -- once distinguished
by its concise, straight-bat coverage of issues -- more of the shrill
Fleet Street 'red top' tabloid formula of 'name and shame' campaigning,"
she wrote.

For a start, that does not quite describe Nixon's evasions.
A Herald Sun reporter had four times sought comment on that tip,
but was told simply that it was a lie.

No alternative account of Nixon's whereabouts that night was offered.

Pristel then rang Nixon's spokeswoman personally to insist on one,
and was told only that the tip was untrue. Only after a second call
did the truth come out. Nixon had actually gone to a pub with friends.

And as the bushfires commission discovered after summoning Nixon back
for a please explain, she had not actually monitored the radio there or
watched television.

Most extraordinarily, her mobile phone neither
received nor made a call for almost three hours.


Now let's contrast that Murdoch editor's dogged pursuit of
important truths with the reporting of The Age.

Guess who'd worked with Nixon on her book for those 45 minutes as
the state burned? Age reporter Jo Chandler, then on leave, who said nothing.


And guess which paper is running the extracts now of that self-serving book?
Yes, The Age.


And guess which paper cheered as Nixon disastrously turned
the police force into a feminised service that was non-deferential,
anti-authoritarian and collegiate?
Right again.


This is why we must fear those who peddle stories about
the monstrous Murdoch empire, and demand laws to mute it.

Check which paper is too close to power. And check which has,
in Nixon's own account, pursued the truth to show how you were let down.

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Post  true lilly on Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:29 am

Get ready for more TORAH SPAM...
...poor, pathetic el kabong...still churning out,
the words of those who say,
"they know God, BUT GOD DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE
DESCRIBED THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL
THE EARTH"
...




SEE!!!
The AREA of EUROPE "SHOWN",
ON This COMPARISON
.
Now, DO YOU want to do some HONEST WORK and
ADD UP ALL THOSE NATION STATES' POPULATIONS,
then ALSO COMPARE THAT!
...?








...ah, but it's THIS
that's really GOT YOUR GOAT...

Comparison of the size of
Israel vs. Australia



Note: Israel is shown in blue.


Now, WHERE would a THINKING Person
see GOD RE-GATHERING
HIS 5 to 10% REMAINING
of The World's Population?

In that recently invented, shit strip of desert, 'israel', or...


The Australian maps over the world
can help you visualize how
vast this country is.


These overlaid Australian maps show the relative size of Australia
over the world to help in comparing it to the major other ares in the
world.
For easy comparison Australia’s land area is 7,706,168 sq
km. Europe on the other hand has a square km area of 3,483,066.
Australia is just about twice as large as all of Europe and is two
thirds as large as the continental United States.
It is
remarkable that Tourists arrive here thinking I will rent a car and
drive all over it in two weeks. For those of you who like the beach
there is about 12,000 km of beach. Plenty of room for you, your beach
chair and umbrella.

Aboriginal Art is available in all major cities but it is produced
mostly in the Northern Territory, Central Desert and Arnhem land areas
of Australia. Contact us through our contact page for more detailed maps
of those areas.
Maps Australia over the world, courtesy of www.bartelpc.com.au
Australian Maps
Aboriginal History
Home Page

Oh but remember, GOD ALSO PROMISED
to PRESERVE a RICH,
STABLE LAND...



UNlike ...


...and EVERYWHERE ELSE...


It's all about SEEING WHAT IS, IN PERSPECTIVE...
...AS GOD DESCRIBED, FROM THE BEGINNING...

...NOT, ONLY a few short thousand years ago,
BY THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW,
MOST of GOD'S WHOLE EARTH EXISTED...
Rolling Eyes

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Post  MoMo on Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:28 am

true lilly wrote:Get ready for more TORAH SPAM...
...poor, pathetic el kabong...still churning out,
the words of those who say,
"they know God, BUT GOD DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE
DESCRIBED THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL
THE EARTH"
...




SEE!!!
The AREA of EUROPE "SHOWN",
ON This COMPARISON
.
Now, DO YOU want to do some HONEST WORK and
ADD UP ALL THOSE NATION STATES' POPULATIONS,
then ALSO COMPARE THAT!
...?








...ah, but it's THIS
that's really GOT YOUR GOAT...

Comparison of the size of
Israel vs. Australia



Note: Israel is shown in blue.


Now, WHERE would a THINKING Person
see GOD RE-GATHERING
HIS 5 to 10% REMAINING
of The World's Population?

In that recently invented, shit strip of desert, 'israel', or...




The Australian maps over the world
can help you visualize how
vast this country is.


LIE #1: These overlaid Australian maps show the relative size of Australia
over the world to help in comparing it to the major other ares in the
world.

LIE #2: For easy comparison Australia’s land area is 7,706,168 sq
km. Europe on the other hand has a square km area of 3,483,066.
Australia is just about twice as large as all of Europe and is two
thirds as large as the continental United States.

It is
remarkable that Tourists arrive here thinking I will rent a car and
drive all over it in two weeks. For those of you who like the beach
there is about 12,000 km of beach. Plenty of room for you, your beach
chair and umbrella.

Aboriginal Art is available in all major cities but it is produced
mostly in the Northern Territory, Central Desert and Arnhem land areas
of Australia. Contact us through our contact page for more detailed maps
of those areas.
Maps Australia over the world, courtesy of www.bartelpc.com.au
Australian Maps
Aboriginal History
Home Page

Oh but remember, GOD ALSO PROMISED
to PRESERVE a RICH,
STABLE LAND...



UNlike ...


...and EVERYWHERE ELSE...


It's all about SEEING WHAT IS, IN PERSPECTIVE...
...AS GOD DESCRIBED, FROM THE BEGINNING...

...NOT, ONLY a few short thousand years ago,
BY THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW,
MOST of GOD'S WHOLE EARTH EXISTED...
Rolling Eyes


Refuting lillys Lies #s 1 & 2 thumbs up

http://geography.about.com/od/lists/a/largecontinent.htm

Largest Continents in Area
1. Asia - 17,139,445 square miles (44,391,162 square km)
2. Africa - 11,677,239 square miles (30,244,049 square km)
3. North America - 9,361,791 square miles (24,247,039 square km)
4. South America - 6,880,706 square miles (17,821,029 square km)
5. Antarctica - About 5,500,000 square miles (14,245,000 square km)
6. Europe - 3,997,929 square miles (10,354,636 square km)

7. Australia - 2,967,909 square miles (7,686,884 square km)


Australia is the Smallest, the Runt Continent. thumbs up

The map of Europe lilly superimposes on Australia is NOT the whole continent. Compare the Reality as compared to her lie. thumbs up



Well it is obvious you are Anti-Israel and Antisemitic. Let's see your source for your Area Sizes you Posted. I'm calling your Bluff. Again thumbs up
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Post  MoMo on Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:54 am

true lilly wrote:
Get ready for more TORAH SPAM......poor, pathetic el kabong...still churning out,
the words of those who say,
"they know God, BUT GOD DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE
DESCRIBED THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL
THE EARTH"...

SEE!!!
The AREA of EUROPE "SHOWN",
ON This COMPARISON.
Now, DO YOU want to do some HONEST WORK and
ADD UP ALL THOSE NATION STATES' POPULATIONS,
then ALSO COMPARE THAT!...?

...ah, but it's THIS
that's really GOT YOUR GOAT...
Comparison of the size of
Israel vs. Australia

Note: Israel is shown in blue.

Now, WHERE would a THINKING Person
see GOD RE-GATHERING HIS 5 to 10% REMAINING
of The World's Population?
In that recently invented, shit strip of desert, 'israel', or...

What an ignorant douchebag. thumbs up

49e: Cinderella, part 5:
http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm
Exile and Redemption


I would like to explain the meaning of Job's faith by means of a contrast between two situations in modern literature. I will bring the first example from a short story by a well-known author, who inherited the Jewish tradition from his parents' home. This tradition has not disappeared despite the power of the evil inclination. He himself is very aware of this struggle, and does not want to lose his Jewish roots. I am speaking of Isaac Bashevis Singer. I will refer to one of his stories, entitled "Zeidlus the First." Zeidlus is of course a Latin play on the Yiddish name Zeidel. Singer tells us of a man named Zeidel, a learned Jew whom Satan attempts to lead astray. All of his initial efforts fail. The regular temptations do not work on Zeidel. However, the temptation of pride is too strong for Zeidel to resist. How does one tempt a Jew with pride? If you convert, says Satan, you will go far; you will become Pope Zeidlus the First. Zeidel falls into the trap. However, his life does not turn out exactly the way Satan promised him.

Rabbi Nachman of Breslov teaches that Satan is like the person who shows a child his closed hand and promises, "if you do such and such I will give you what is in my hand." The child does what he is asked, and afterwards, when the hand opens, the child sees that it is empty.

We will not go into all of Zeidel's adventures. We will only say that he failed at everything, and when Satan appears at the moment of death to take his soul, and Zeidel sees him, he exclaims,

"Is it you Satan, angel of death?"
"Yes Zeidel," replies the Tempter, "I have come for you. And it won't help you to repent or confess, so don't try."
"Where are you taking me?" he asked.
"Straight to Gehenna."
"If there is a Gehenna, there is also a God," Zeidel said, his lips trembling.
"This proves nothing," I retorted.
"Yes it does," he said. "If Hell exists, everything exists. If you are real, He is real. Now take me to where I belong. I am ready."

This idea, of the discovery of God beyond evil, is completely opposed to a message that appears in one of Ingmar Bergman's "philosophical" films, "The Seventh Seal." In the film – which has a Christian background - a knight appears who asks the final questions, and in one of the dialogues of the film someone who has seen the angel of death claims that he looked into his eyes, but beyond them one could see nothing. In contrast to this, the meaning of the story of "Zeidlus the First" is that beyond evil one can see good. This is the great leap that we must take: the leap from the absurd into a meaningful existence.

The Torah concludes with a commandment to study a song and remember it from generation to generation, so that it will exist forever. This is the song of "Hearken" ("Ha'azinu"). The Torah explains that days will come when

"I will hide My face from them and they will be prey, and will be beset by many evils and troubles and they will say on that day, 'it is because my God is not with me that we have been beset by these evils'... And now, write this song for yourselves and teach it to the children of Israel, place it in their mouths, so that this song will be a witness for the Children of Israel." (Devarim 31:17-19)

A time of great suffering will come, and the nation will ask the question, is God indeed among us? Or in a more modern version, "Can one believe in God after Auschwitz?" The Torah commanded us to study this song, so that we will know that despite the pain and evil, God is with us. This is the song that comes to teach us that even in the midst of evil, God is with us.

"How can one [man] chase a thousand and two [men] pursue ten thousand, if their Rock had not sold them, and God had not trapped them." (Devarim 32:30)

Despite everything, the world is not left to its own devices. This is a prophetic promise given to us so that we will not give up hope.

And here I will dare to make the terrible leap, towards the eyes of the Angel of Death. In our generation we have learned something beyond what Rihal has taught us. We can learn about the truth, as Rihal said, from the fact that God revealed himself at Mount Sinai and chose the nation that He loves, the Chosen People, and gave them the Torah. However, to our sorrow, in history there is another way as well. If Satan appeared, and I was indeed certain that he was Satan, I could learn, paradoxically, from him, that the Chosen People are the nation that Satan recognizes and announces to be his enemy. History has shown us many anti-Semites, great and small. However, Satan himself was none other than Nazism.

Nazism appeared and, pointing at the Jewish people, announced, "This is my enemy." We have learned that the Jewish people are the Chosen People - from the evidence given by Satan. Satan did not hate the Jews because we were opposed to his political ideas or because we disturbed his plans. The child and the old man, who were powerless to harm anyone, were also Satan's enemies. To some extent, the Holocaust was an Encounter at Auschwitz, parallel to the Encounter at Mount Sinai, in which Satan appeared and showed us the way to the great leap, the need to see beyond the empty eyes of the Angel of Death. Beyond them there is something else. It is not emptiness. Zeidlus the First was right: "If you are real, He is real."

The world understands this logic, even if only subconsciously. We can understand this if we analyze different reactions to the Holocaust. The anti-Semite complains that the Nazis did not finish the job. We are also familiar with the attempts of Nazi sympathizers who want to deny the Holocaust, and sometimes we hear both claims at once. This is one side of the range of responses. However, on the other side we hear more sophisticated denials.


For many years we have been witnesses to an attempt, by the Poles for example, to deny the fact that the Jews were the victims of the Holocaust. However, the most evident attempt in this area is without a doubt the establishment of the Carmelite monastery at Auschwitz. Here we are faced with an attempt to rewrite history: Christianity was one of the victims of Auschwitz. The Church did this, for example, by making a Jewish convert to Christianity into a Christian saint. This is because, consciously or subconsciously, everyone whose conscience was not destroyed by Nazism understands that every honest person should have been at Auschwitz. There Satan made the selection. And whoever was not chosen by him to be wiped out, cannot possibly be the chosen one of God.

Cinderella and her sisters

Today we can understand this because of the perspective that we have on the first verses of the last chapter of the book of Job. From this perspective, which stems from a sense that we are at the beginning of the Redemption, we ought to reread the end of the story of Cinderella. How did Cinderella treat her sisters after her rise to greatness? I leave the reader to do his own homework, but I promise him that a look at the various versions will be very interesting. What God expects from Job is clear. God expects Job to pray for his friends who have constantly directed their arrows at him. This is a very difficult moral paradox.

However, it helps us to understand the secret of the ending of the book. The redemption of Job represents the return of the Jewish people to their land. The verse actually uses the phrase "returned his exiles" (42:10), which is essentially a national term. Now we also understand another difficulty. His first children are lost to him, yet Job's comfort - a comfort that does not erase the pain - is in his second children. The Holocaust was an event that can never be forgotten, and we are left with problems that cannot be rationally explained away. However, now we see the return of Job's exiles, and the prayer that he wishes for the whole world: may sins, not sinners, be obliterated.

Job's friends, Cinderella's sisters, are the other religions that point an accusing finger at Job: Job, you are suffering, this is proof that you have sinned, this means that God has rejected you. The book ends with the meeting with the prince: "and God returned the exiles of Job" - this is the Redemption.


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Post  MoMo on Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:03 pm

Yoo Hoo!!! lilly, You are the Antisemite seeking to steal the Jews Identity and their Book, The Bible; and misrepresenting it.

1: You promote the bogus Doctrine of 'Church/Spiritual Israel' Replacement Theology, claiming that YHWH/God has abandoned the Jews and the Eternal Covenant He made with them and their Land, Israel.
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http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

Replacement Theology

Its Origins, Teachings and Errors


Definition

Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”..........................Exegetical Problems with Supersessionism

Did the sins of the Jewish nation result in her rejection? Paul’s answer is found in Romans 11: I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people whom He foreknew (vv. 1-2, NKJV). I say then, have they [Israel] stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! (vv. 11-12, NKJV). For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? (v. 15, NKJV).

If the Jewish nation has no future in God’s plan, as the supersessionists claim, then what is the future “fullness” of Israel that Paul mentions in verse 12? And when, exactly, will the nation be resurrected (“life from the dead”) and “accepted” by God (verse 15)? Paul can’t be talking about the Church in this passage because the Church has never died - and never will (John 11:26). The only reasonable answer is that Paul is referring to a yet-future resurrection and restoration of Am Israel (the “people of Israel,” a collective term for the nation), as prophesied in passages like Ezekiel 37:1-14. It doesn’t mean they will automatically be saved simply because they are Jewish; rather, it means that the majority of Jewish people who are living at that time will recognize Yeshua of Nazareth as their Messiah and receive Him as Savior (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26).

They will be saved in the same way believers from all ages and generations have been saved; that is, they will be saved by grace, through faith (Eph. 2:8-10). The problem with saying that God rejected His people Israel is that the term “rejection” implies permanence and finality. Paul’s forceful statements in Romans 11 probably indicate that people were claiming, even in his day, that God had “cast away” His people Israel (v. 1). They were saying that Israel had “stumbled’ and “fallen” from her former position (vv. 11-12). Paul rejected any such notion (“Certainly not!” in verses 1 and 11). Then he goes on to say that even if we insist on saying that they were rejected, then we are forced to the conclusion that the rejection is only temporary. Even if we insist on saying that they did stumble and fall, then it must also be said that their fall brought salvation to the rest of the world (Gentiles) - and Israel’s fall, too, is only temporary because they are destined to be restored one day to a position of “fullness” (v. 12).

The “fullness of the Gentiles” (Rom. 11:25) refers to the time when the full number of non-Jewish believers has been added to the ranks of the Church and the last person has been saved. Likewise, the “fullness” of the Jewish people (v. 12) refers to the time when “all Israel shall be saved” (v. 26). As we saw earlier, that means the Jewish people en masse will recognize and receive their Messiah, Yeshua of Nazareth. There may be some dissenters - and their probably will be - but the Holy Spirit of God will do a powerful work among the Jewish people, and multitudes of them - the vast majority of them - will come to faith in the Messiah of Israel, Jesus of Nazareth.

The truth is that God is no more finished with Israel than He is finished with the Gentiles. Neither one has been replaced by the other; and God’s plan for both remains intact, in spite of their failures. This is really the crux of the issue. Replacement Theology says that Israel was rejected by God and that the rejection was permanent and irrevocable; however, we say that God’s calling on Israel was permanent and irrevocable, in spite of her many sins and shortcomings (Romans 11:29)

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2: Also you promote the Bogus Doctrine that 'Jesus' 'did away with' YHWHs/Gods Torah/Instruction.

Another degenerate lie. All one has to do to see through your lies is to read the Actual Scriptures.
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http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/12-2004-PW.pdf

If you are still tempted to follow some Christian, Moslem, Jewish or Catholic leader into believing that Yahweh’s Laws have been
done away with or can be rewritten to suit whoever, read the following inspired words of the prophets, apostles, and Savior. I Yahchanan 3:4—
. Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law. I Yahchanan 2:4—
. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. I Yahchanan 3:7-8—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil...............................N.otice what the Prophet Yeremyah was inspired to write in: Yeremyah 23:26-27—
26 How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds;
27 Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his
neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal; Lord.................... Romans 10:4—For Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes.......................... Mattithyah 24:11-12—11 And many false prophets will rise, and will deceive the many.
12 And because iniquity; the breaking of Yahweh’s Law, will abound, the love of the many will grow cold.

Please notice in the above verses that the Savior is saying that these religions are teaching people to practice and abound in
breaking Yahweh’s Laws..................


lilly, you are the proverbial False Prophet!!




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Re: SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!

Post  true lilly on Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:12 pm

Get ready for more TORAH SPAM...
...poor, pathetic el kabong...still churning out,
the words of those who say,
"they know God, BUT GOD DIDN'T KNOW
WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHEN HE
DESCRIBED THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL
THE EARTH"
...


CURSE JUDAH and BE CURSED.


Well,
GOD HAS, LONG BEEN RE-GATHERING,
JUDAH and ISRAEL
and THOSE JOINED TO THEM,
in The UNIQUELY GLORIOUS Land,
that HE DESCRIBED...

and YOU, KEEP CURSING BOTH,
RE-JOINED ISRAEL & JUDAH and
That Land From Which,
ALL THE NATIONS ARE HEALED!


Listen, BLIND FOOL...it ain't about 'size'...
I NEVER SAID it was about 'size'...
...that's your sick attachment...
your deliberate, deadly lie...

...oh, and what did happen to MY ORIGINAL Post,
that YOU SO INSANELY, HAD TO HACK into more of
YOUR, FILTHY LIES, that you call 'quotes'...

...too bad for YOU, GOD KNOWS...

(ah, found it elsewhere Smile )




SEE!!!
The AREA of EUROPE "SHOWN",
ON This COMPARISON
.
Now, DO YOU want to do some HONEST WORK and
ADD UP ALL THOSE NATION STATES' POPULATIONS,
then ALSO COMPARE THAT!
...?








...ah, but it's THIS
that's really GOT YOUR GOAT...

Comparison of the size of
Israel vs. Australia



Note: Israel is shown in blue.


Now, WHERE would a THINKING Person
see GOD RE-GATHERING
HIS 5 to 10% REMAINING
of The World's Population?

In that recently invented, shit strip of desert, 'israel', or...


The Australian maps over the world
can help you visualize how
vast this country is.


These overlaid Australian maps show the relative size of Australia
over the world to help in comparing it to the major other ares in the
world.
For easy comparison Australia’s land area is 7,706,168 sq
km. Europe on the other hand has a square km area of 3,483,066.
Australia is just about twice as large as all of Europe and is two
thirds as large as the continental United States.
It is
remarkable that Tourists arrive here thinking I will rent a car and
drive all over it in two weeks. For those of you who like the beach
there is about 12,000 km of beach. Plenty of room for you, your beach
chair and umbrella.

Aboriginal Art is available in all major cities but it is produced
mostly in the Northern Territory, Central Desert and Arnhem land areas
of Australia. Contact us through our contact page for more detailed maps
of those areas.
Maps Australia over the world, courtesy of www.bartelpc.com.au
Australian Maps
Aboriginal History
Home Page
Oh but remember, GOD ALSO PROMISED
to PRESERVE a RICH,
STABLE LAND...and SEE,

so many more Nations than in Europe, that populated it,
even long after it was utterly devastated,
after JOSHUAH died and ISRAEL FORGOT GOD...



YES, THE RICHLY BLESSED, STABLE Land,
UNlike ...




...and EVERYWHERE ELSE...



It's all about SEEING WHAT IS, IN PERSPECTIVE...
...AS GOD DESCRIBED, FROM THE BEGINNING...

...NOT, ONLY a few short thousand years ago,
BY THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW,
MOST of GOD'S WHOLE EARTH EXISTED...
Rolling Eyes



THERE IS NO LAND at
THE NORTH POLE



Quite the contrary
the South Pole
is located in a continent.




LEBANON=WHITE=ANTARCTICA



National Library of Australia Home > News & Events



A reproduction of a 1566 world map by Nicolas Desliens.
With south orientated at the top,
the top left corner has a large land mass
that is claimed to be Australia,
charted from Chinese voyages.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.map-rm1898

LISTEN TO THE WORDS LONG WRITTEN DOWN...
...THE MAN, COMES AROUND...

http://youtu.be/iSPlJusBJ-E


Colour coding relates to topographic height,
with dark green at lower elevations,
rising through yellow and tan,
to white at the highest points.

It looks familiar, but it is no ordinary map.

It is part of the most detailed topographic map of the world
ever made,
according the US space agency NASA .

For 11 days in February 2000
the space shuttle Endeavour circled the world,
using a sophisticated radar to chart all the land
between 60 degrees north and 56 degrees south,
and 80 per cent of the Earth's land was mapped
with a resolution of 90 metres.

NASA noted that Australia
was
the flattest continent in the world.

"Its low average elevation (300 metres) is caused by
its position
near the centre of a tectonic plate,
where there are no volcanic
or other geologic forces
of the type
that raise the topography of other continents.

"Prominent features of Australia
include the Lake Eyre Basin,

the darker green region visible in the centre-right.
At 16 metres below sea level, this depression is
one of the largest inland drainage systems
in the world,
covering more than 1.3 million
square kilometres.


...and what happens when we STOP DRAINING...
...RE-BUILD what WAS...
ANCIENTLY, UTTERLY DEVASTATED...
...
RE-BUILD the CANALS and CISTERNS...
...
and RE-PLANT
...and... Very Happy Wink

COOK's ENDEAVOUR,
NASA's ENDEAVOUR
=
LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION
...
...TIME & SPACE, TIME & PLACE...

...GOD'S TIME, TIMES & SIGNS...
...CRYSTAL CLEAR...DRINK IT IN,
THE WATER IS FREE...


DO bother, to drink in,
every full meaning, of every word,
and NOT only of this chapter...

Revelation 22:1-21

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Rev&c=22&v=1&t=KJV#top

1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was
there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded
her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing
of the nations.


3
And there shall be no more curse:
but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it;
and his servants shall serve him:


4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

5And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light
of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever
and ever.


6And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true:
and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew
unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.


7Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings
of the prophecy of this book.


8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard
and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which
shewed me these things.


9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not:
for I am thy fellowservant,
and of thy brethren the prophets,
and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.


10And he saith unto me,
Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book:
for the time is at hand.


11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still:
and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still:
and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still:
and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me,
to give every man according as his work shall be.


13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,
the first and the last.


14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right
to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers,
and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.


17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come.
And let him that heareth say, Come.
And let him that is athirst come.
And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things,
God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:


19And if any man shall take away from the words of
the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part
out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from
the things which are written in this book.


20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly.
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.


21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.


...oh and btw,
THE SAFEGUARD GOD WROTE INTO HIS WORD,
was NOT comparing mans lying words against mans lying words,
but to TEST:
HOLY SCRIPTURE against HOLY SCRIPTURE,
and,
WHAT WAS REAL (FROM THE BEGINNING)
and IS REAL, in ALL The World and ALL The Earth,
That GOD CREATED. Because GOD CAN'T LIE,
let alone contradict HIMSELF, and as soon as you decide...

to DENY GOD'S WORD that DESCRIBED
WHAT GOOD SCIENCE keeps DISCOVERING, such as:

the water covered globe;
that one land mass was raised out of it;
LIFE EXISTED in and on the world, without death,
UNTIL Oxygen formed=The Prince of The Air/DEATH entered;
that NOAH'S TIME of RE-populating ALL The Earth with
people and The ORIGINAL KINDS of animals, WAS LONG,
BEFORE The ONE LAND MASS Started to Divide...

YOU DECIDE to FAIL THE TEST.

el kabong wrote:


Very Happy ...I'll see, YOUR POISON FRUIT-LOOPS...and RAISE,
with The GOOD FRUIT (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
that my Faithfulness To THE CREATOR of LIFE,
BLESSED THE WORLD WITH...


How those who dig the pits for others,
fall in them themselves...


Some BEARSTAR's of SWEDEN'S, REX VENTORS...





Magnus and his girls, Sept -05



Tinja equally protective of Angelie


Lovisa using Demi for a pillow

See, I was happy rescuing, healing and re-homing the lost,
but 'they' thought to tempt my pride, and got me a pedigree dog.

But, I didn't want to show (the horse world had cured me of that),
only breed good dogs to put in loving homes, and so my dogs
had to pass my tests (of safe, sound temperaments, and bodies),
in my home, on the farm, out in public, before they were chosen
as breeders.

The showing and world records that followed, were simply,
GOD'S BLESSINGS for Breeding BY HIS LAW...and oh, how
much 'they' HATED me, FOR ALWAYS GIVING ALL CREDIT TO GOD,
when 'they' would badger me for 'the secret' of my success,
that IS NO SECRET, but Published All Over The World; GOD'S WORD.


true lilly wrote:LOVE and BLESSINGS
http://youtu.be/pP1CCH7DEQM

CRUFTS 2x R.R. BoB

Ch & Sw Ch Rex Ventors Farrah at Nyassa









Smile ...ooh, and how many BEARSTAR'S
in that Pedigree...
[/size]
http://www.nyassa.co.uk/c%20litter.htm

...see, The Beautiful Thing, was that I didn't want to Show,
only Breed Quality for Future R.R. Lovers, but people were
making terrible dogs 'champion', because they had bugger all
quality to compete with back when I began, which is why I went
to a local show, just to see a few others and how my first R.R.
(first pedigree anything), compared to others...and from then,
I felt, well, Morally Obligated, to Exhibit R.R.'s of Quality.

The Records, well they were just 'The Cherry on Top',
for doing a good job well, for the right reason.

And The Nice Thing, is that I took my last Specialty Wins,
with my last litter, under this English Judge and Breeder,
Sue Campbell (Nyassa), and years latter, she's Winning CRUFTS
with the Bearstar blood she genuinely fell in love with.


Demi,
(Multi International Titled
Bearstar Diamond Willow
,
dam of 17 Champions inc.
Sue Cambell's CRUFTS
2x BoB Winner, "Farrah")

10 years after I sent her to Sweden,
closest to the camera,
posing with sister Tinja. Summer 2006.

http://www.rhodesian-ridgeback.net/content/view/257/337/
http://www.rhodesian-ridgeback.net/content/view/32/71/

Gr Ch Bearstar Ko CD FC ROM
Eilack Apollo x Ch Ujamaa Ceres
20 Jan 1992 - 3 Nov 2005


On the 3rd of November 2005 two and half months short of his 14th birthday my
handsome man spent the morning chasing his grand-niece following that delightful
scent he has always loved, when he grew tired he lay down in the green grass in
the sun and quietly slipped away.

Multi Runner Up in Show, Multi Best in Specialty Show, Multi Runner Up in
Specialty Show, two times Melbourne Royal BOB, Brisbane Royal BOB, Toowoomba
Royal BOB, multi Best Headed in Specialty, multi Best Gaited in Specialty, multi
Sire's Progeny, Australia's first Grand Champion RR - Gr Champion Bearstar Ko CD
FC ROM - left me peacefully with great dignity.

He has left a legacy that ensures his name will remain in the RR history books
for generations to come. As Australia's most successful ever sire he has 30
Champions all over the world and others still in the process of taking titles.
He has sired 10 Best in Show winners, 2 Best in Field winners and even a Gold
medal winner in Skijoring (sleddog skiing). His kids have obedience titles and
tracking titles. And many without 'titles' have the very best of accolades -
being best friends and companions to their owners.

Ko was a very special dog - a once-in-a-lifetime soulmate who provided me love
and laughter every day of his life. He has taken a large part of my heart with
him but his spirit will linger always with me and within his children and their
children long after I'm gone.

Farewell Mister Ko - love you big boy. I know you'll be having a ton of fun at
the Bridge catching up with all your 'women' I so look forward to seeing you there.

http://www.starridgerrs.com/about_starridge.html

Ch Ujamaa Ceres "Barney"
(bred -
under terms of carrying the Ujamaa Prefix-
and kept by, and bred from, me,
from my first R.R. Ch. Ujamaa Pooh "Teddy")



"Barney" THE QUEEN of Bearstar, "Barkley" and "Chilli",
just 3 of my Bearstar Champs,
(who like "Teddy" and many others,
no one else wanted, and 'experts' said
I was mad for keeping), down home on the farm
Smile ,

oh and "Chilli", "Banyon and "Clare"...

...CH Bearstar White Banyon, was born 'dead' and 'couldn't be revived'
according to the Vet and everyone else who tried to rip him from my
busy hands, half an hour later, when they thought I'd gone mad... but,
they couldn't "SEE" what I could; he to went on to be a Best in Show
and many other top awards winner...and "Clare", sent back home to
LIVE 'like a dog' and for me to show, by her owners, was one of my 3,
Border Terrier of The Year winners (only competed for 3 years in that breed),
and yes they all lived in the house, and ran free in the fields and never
bothered stock
Very Happy . It was all part of how I Judged them Worthy
to Pass On Their Quality of SPIRIT. Oh there are plenty of 'trash'
dogs of the Same BLOODlines, but

what God's explained,
and my breeding Proved, is that
IT IS, THE INDIVIDUAL'S SPIRIT,
that separates='makes holy'.
JACOB was blessed. JACOB was a breeder.

This isn't my, "Blessing of Jacob" post,
but it will do...for now...
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Post  MoMo on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:16 am

lilly, explain why you lie about the size of Runt Australia.

You've been Busted, we have you on Videotape lying.
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Post  true lilly on Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:01 am

el kabong wrote:lilly, explain why you lie about the size of Runt Australia.

You've been Busted, we have you on Videotape lying.

What a bizarrely stupid thing to post...and, I really wonder where your 'size' fixation stems from.

Oh and billy; was it the, "girl with bomb strapped to neck", news on the ABC, that you wanted me to see?
Or the "Vellar corruption case", or the "child abuse harms mental health", or what, and more to the point, why?
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Post  Billy Ruben on Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:04 am

true lilly wrote:
el kabong wrote:lilly, explain why you lie about the size of Runt Australia.

You've been Busted, we have you on Videotape lying.

What a bizarrely stupid thing to post...and, I really wonder where your 'size' fixation stems from.

Oh and billy; was it the, "girl with bomb strapped to neck", news on the ABC, that you wanted me to see?
Or the "Vellar corruption case", or the "child abuse harms mental health", or what, and more to the point, why?

No,no,girl with bomb around the neck.
There's no connections or anything to Denmark,we've already lost our guns,no,I just wanted you to see it,in case there's something to it.
I was speaking to Dutch mates and they're pretty lax with guns over there,I said,won't be long till they falseflag it,that was two months before,the Belgium shootings and bombings.
You see,Europe has reduced her armies to each country,nearly 200,000 troops,which,is quite small,considering the asiatics,who have millions enlisted.But the strength of Europe,is in her peoples,most are trained and go through a form of reservist.Alot of guns are owned by households,but,relatively low rate of murders with fire-arms.
...Nah,my satanist have a Vella bloodline,but not the corruption case,I won't succeeed without Busteeds' sister to back me up,they hooked her too,hope she's still alive.Child abuse harms mental health,how long did they take to figure out that?Bastards,it's almost an insulting line.
80% of people in the psyche-ward were victims of molestation,bloody monsters who did it,rely on the mental Health aspect to write their story off,similar to what Colin,my ex-mate did to Sod,about me,same pattern.He relied on my mental health assessment and exaggerated my claim,he touched a girl three times and she asked him,three times to stop it.I did'nt say he penetrated her or force her orally,he'd be dead other wise,but he over exaggerated and said it was me who claimed that,yet,I wrote it here for all to see...did I say he violated her,NO!

See,it was over the years,that I played that over and over in my head,what was the pointers,clues,so I watched for years...to see if it was a one off...I'm still not convinced,but the way Jessies mother is covering it up,I think she was paid off in the end,Colin admitted it...she denied it.Farkin lying trash my ex-friends...like I said,I'm proud of what I did...and I can do alot more,than I have,Colin's very quiet these days,have'nt seen any stupid heroics...yet.
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Post  true lilly on Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:35 am

Oh, and it was my thread at ATS, on...doesn't matter; fish with bait worth my while to nibble at...
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Post  true lilly on Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:35 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:UPDATE:

It's
not a mother,it's an 18 year old girl/teeny lady.The police suspect,but
not confirming,that someone entered the premises and attached the
device to her,It goes around the neck (Necklacing) and to another device
around the waist.They have'nt figured out the trigger mechanism,
but she's alone,with the police and everyone else in the family is safe.

Criminal muslim elements suspected,but not confirmed.

It's a suspected extortion. Money. All about money, the usual motive.

But thanks, for letting me know, (via text), that you wanted me to know,
of another 'necklacing'. Rolling Eyes

Speaking of money; do you know that what "tintin" sent his other dumb bunny
(to stick around and try to finish me off)
, was only what he would regularly 'tip'
when eating out (most meals), around $AUS 1000.00 a pop, give or take a few 100;
roughly $AUS6600.00 all up.

Sad thing is, he (the dumb bunny), claimed to have wanted a simple, family life,
and he could have had that, he knew and admitted it often, but chose to believe,
he would be, 'better rewarded' by destroying me for 'them'.


That dumb bunny has since lost, well, just about everything...house, land, super...

And that's what happens when you give your balls to women to crush, instead of having the balls to be a man for your woman.

Oh and, you did see "tintin's" Maserati, that he boasts of driving, and you are aware of his
Jet Setting, International, Opera going life style?
Simply pointing out why I call his dumb bunnies, dumb bunnies.

He 'funds' them
with his waiters tips, and they believe he's 'invested' in 'looking
after them', after the shit, misses the fan, and gets dumped straight on
his dumb bunnies. Rolling Eyes

So do you get it yet?
Why tintin, literally throwing thousands of Euros at me
to buy a washing machine, while telling me, I was 'too important to be
wasting my time and brain' (doing the laundry by hand a 4 in the
morning), had me gather them all back up, hand them back, and remind him he was a guest, not some, on-line sting...CAN you get it?

I
don't find shame in honest work. I'm happy to do productive work. And
as all the productive work I do around my home, gets destroyed, I take
solace in doing work for others, that won't get undone. And if I'm
offered payment, I want no more than the job was worth.
Likewise, if a
job is done for me, and I feel they ask too little, I'll at least top
it up with bountiful praise in the the ears of others, if not also a
cuppa, beer, good feed or whatever else I can honestly offer.

See, Freedom,
to me, is not money, but not being indebted in such a way that I can't
say, 'No', if asked to cross a line, that would make me someone I'm not.

And, contrary to sod's advice, I am not someone who "makes contacts".
Granted, there are those who's position requires them to make and
maintain diplomatic associations, but not being such a one, it's
all the more reason I
don't abuse my friendships with such people, by expecting or asking
'favours' of them...let alone envying the wealth or positions they hold,
that without fail, draws countless user 'friends'.
In such 'unbalanced' relationships, all I do have to offer to redress the balance, is a genuine friendship; one that, 'cares for', not, 'takes from'....

...and why I'm bothering to give a dissertation on the acts and attitudes that constitute a friendship, to this audience Rolling Eyes
, well, I can't even recall how I got onto the topic...but I did, and
it's an important topic, so I'll leave it here for others to
ponder...and even challenge me on if they feel the need. Smile ...ah, that's right, "tintin",
the champion of false friendship: Too poor in spirit, to 'buy' one
little woman with so little of what the worldly desire, that even the
povs mock her; 'mean' enough to go to the expense and trouble of
dropping the threat of, a 'burning necklace', on her, for caring to show
him, the blessings of the repentant and faithful.

Surely, there must be some out there, who can see that; a job with a car and fuel card,
is not worth the job of, being a false friend of good people, for, that false friend, "tintin".

Ok,this
is long and you're wanting me to comment on events I've only heard one
side of,let alone,I'm not personally involved with Tintin to be sound of
judgement,but hell,saying you're to important to do hand washing in the
morning and buys a washing machine for you,that's a pretty nice
thing,look,people hurt people,are you sure it's Tintin and not someone
closer to home.
I'll mod this post later,when I sufficiently wake up,have'nt even had a tea yet....just a cigarette.

At the risk of having you lot go off again, with false claims of,
"'me', making it 'about me'", when that's what all of you keep doing Rolling Eyes,
I will again state, that yes, I do know just how very 'close to home', my attackers are,
and of their International NETworking Partners.

Do you really think I wasn't aware of why my ex, suddenly, had to, fly to Sydney,
before "tintin" flew in; and even lent me his car to drive "tintin" around, something
he would never do when our, HIS and My, kids, NEEDED me to drive for them,
and he was too busy NETworking to care to bother to help them himself?

The husband who was 'chosen' by those even closer, to claim to share my faith,
to ensure my future family would suffer, for having a mother who loves, and
can't blame or deny God.

And that is, The 'class', of people my on-line attackers, serve...a very, very sad truth,
that may yet have some redeeming value, if any of those family members, stop fighting
The Creator God (by attacking those who love Him), and accept The Amazing Grace with which the Truly Repentant Are BLESSED.

Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:

Swift gives the location of Lilliput and Blefuscu as Latitude 30°2′S, to the northwest of Van Diemen's Land.
Because this area is actually occupied by Australia,






And you're laughing at those who still refuse to see,
that The Conspiracy behind all conspiracies, is to hide
the real world evidences of the saving truth of God's Word,
from those who would not join God's Enemies (who KNOW
HE EXISTS and CAN'T LIE), while 'they've' plotted to try to,
'make Him a liar', by trying to take the land He described
and promised to His Faithful...???...that's 'funny' to you?

That's sad to me.

But, it is also something God warned us watch for, from the beginning.
Yet more evidence of the faithfulness of God's Word.
As He also told us He would hide and raise His own watchmen, Princes and Kings
to keep the reminders of the truth of His Word until the time God's Kingdom is,
re-established on this earth, from where the healing waters will flow, to heal,
not only Israel and Judah, but all the remaining of the Nations.

Which is very good news, for those with the ears to hear it, and,
the character of Spirit to repent of their worldly lusts, and willingly serve,
The Perfectly Just, Creator of Life.



REVELATIONS 22:2
In 1722 the midst 3319 of the street 4113 of it 846, and 2532 on either 2532 side 1782 1782 of the river 4215, [was there] the tree 3586 of life 2222, which bare 4160 twelve 1427 [manner of] fruits 2590, [and] yielded 591 her 846 fruit 2590 every 2596 1538 1520 month 3376: and 2532 the leaves 5444 of the tree 3586 [were] for 1519 the healing 2322 of the nations 1484.




ISAIAH 33:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#top

1
Woe to you who are despoiling, without you yourself being despoiled,
and to you who are dealing treacherously, without [others] having dealt
treacherously with you! As soon as you have finished as a despoiler,
you will be despoiled. As soon as you have done with dealing treacherously,
they will deal treacherously with you.

2
O Jehovah, show us favor. In you we have hoped.
Become our arm every morning, yes, our salvation in the time of distress.
3
At the sound of turmoil peoples have fled.
At your arising nations have been dispersed.
4
And the spoil of YOU people will actually be gathered [like] the cockroaches
when gathering in, like the onrush of locust swarms that is rushing against one.
5
Jehovah will certainly be put on high, for he is residing in the height.
He must fill Zion with justice and righteousness.
6
And the trustworthiness of your times must prove
to be a wealth of salvations—wisdom and knowledge,
the fear of Jehovah, which is his treasure.

7
Look! Their very heroes have cried out in the street;
the very messengers of peace will weep bitterly.
8
The highways have been made desolate; the one
passing over the path has ceased. He has broken the covenant;
he has contemned the cities; he has taken no account of mortal man.
9
The land has gone mourning, has withered away.
Leb´a·non has become abashed; it has moldered.
Shar´on has become like the desert plain;
and Ba´shan and Car´mel are shaking off [their leaves].

10
“Now I will rise up,” says Jehovah, “now I will exalt myself;
now I will lift myself up.
11
YOU people conceive dried grass; YOU will give birth to stubble.
YOUR own spirit, as a fire, will eat YOU up.
12
And peoples must become as the burnings of lime.
As thorns cut away, they will be set ablaze even with fire.
13
Hear, YOU men who are far away, what I must do!
And know, YOU who are nearby, my mightiness.
14
In Zion the sinners have come to be in dread;
shivering has grabbed hold of the apostates:
‘Who of us can reside for any time with a devouring fire?
Who of us can reside for any time with long-lasting conflagrations?’

15
“There is one who is walking in continual righteousness and
speaking what is upright, who is rejecting the unjust gain from frauds,
who is shaking his hands clear from taking hold on a bribe,
who is stopping up his ear from listening to bloodshed, and who
is closing his eyes so as not to see what is bad.
16
He is the one that will reside on the heights themselves;
his secure height will be craggy places difficult to approach.
His own bread will certainly be given [him];
his water supply will be unfailing.”

17
A king in his handsomeness is what your eyes will behold;
they will see a land far away.
18
Your own heart will comment in low tones on a frightful thing:
“Where is the secretary? Where is the one that does the paying out?
Where is the one counting the towers?”
19
No insolent people will you see, a people too deep in language to listen to,
of a stammering tongue without [your] understanding.
20
Behold Zion, the town of our festal occasions!
Your own eyes will see Jerusalem an undisturbed abiding place,
a tent that no one will pack up. Never will its tent pins be pulled out,
and none of its ropes will be torn in two.
21
But there the Majestic One, Jehovah, will be for us a place of rivers, of wide canals.
On it no galley fleet will go, and no majestic ship will pass over it.
22
For Jehovah is our Judge, Jehovah is our Statute-giver,
Jehovah is our King; he himself will save us.

23
Your ropes must hang loose; their mast they will not hold firmly erect;
they have not spread a sail.
At that time even spoil in abundance will have to be divided up;
the lame ones themselves will actually take a big plunder.
24
And no resident will say: “I am sick.”
The people that are dwelling in [the land] will be those pardoned for their error.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#top

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of every blessing Word
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53b: A Covenant of Fate, Part 2
Anti-Semitism and Its Causes: The Psychological Background

Anti-semitism is a multi-faceted phenomenon, which lends itself to various analyses. I would like to demonstrate that the various dimensions of analysis do not contradict one another. In fact, their juxtaposition creates a complete picture. Here we will discuss the first level, the psychological dimension. To explain it, I will use a simple allegory. Psychologists often employ the Rorschach Test in their analysis of patients. The test uses a well-known technique known as the projective technique. The patient is asked to look at a series of pictures and explain what he sees. These pictures have no intrinsic meaning. In fact, they are simply ink blots on paper that created symmetrical designs when the paper was folded in two. As previously mentioned, the pictures do not represent anything, yet people look at them and explain them. The explanations do not exist in the pictures; they exist in the person's mind. This is an opening, through which the psychologists try to enter the inner world of the person, who "projects" what is inside himself onto the pictures.

This mechanism, according to many psychologists, can shed light on the phenomenon of anti-Semitism. The anti- Semite sees in the Jews negative qualities that threaten and endanger him. These characteristics don't exist in the "picture"; they only exist in the mind of the beholder. They are the projections of the anti-Semite, who uses the Jew as a blot of his own making, and upon which he projects the black sides of his inner world. This, in very general terms of course, refers to the psychological background of anti-Semitism. The fact that the Jew is a minority, a foreigner who is relatively easily identified, was a psychological cause that contributed to the choice of the Jew as the screen upon which the anti-Semites threw their fears and hatred. This is actually the explanation for a number of noticeable characteristics of anti-Semitism. We find many types and forms of attacks on Jews. In one place the Jew is described as having one trait, and in another place he is accused of the opposite characteristic. This is true regarding both his personal traits and his social and political traits. Thus, for example, the Jew is portrayed as the capitalist trying to take over the world, and on the other hand as the revolutionary, who is attempting to weaken the power of wealth and utterly abolish personal ownership. The fact that we are faced with a psychological phenomenon means that we must not search for logic here. All anti-Semites project their various and contradictory fears upon the Jew.

Anti-Semitism and Its Causes: The Social Basis

Whoever thinks that this analysis has exhausted the topic of anti-Semitism is fooling himself. Anti-Semitism is a social, not an individual, phenomenon. In addition to its psychological aspects, we must study anti-Semitism from its social and general perspectives as well. A view of history and philosophy in recent generations will be of help in our attempt. Let us therefore move on to the second level of our analysis, the collective, political and social level. Until now we have examined a phenomenon that has already been expressed by the earliest thinkers of the last century. They viewed anti-Semitism as part of Xenophobia, and indeed, the phenomena we have expressed until now are merely details within a much larger context, that of the strains that exist between various groups, between the majority and the minority, and even between various races who live together within one society. From this perspective, there is no essential difference between the hatred of Jews and the hostility that exists towards other races, such as blacks. However, this is but one level of the explanation. Until now we have identified the roots of the problem, and its individual expressions.

If anti-Semitism were only an individual psychological phenomenon, it would be similar to other forms of discrimination and hostility; however, in the modern world anti-Semitism takes on a different hue. Various groups have used it for political purposes. We can trace clear attempts to use psychological hostility – which, it seems, has deep religious roots – to forward political aims. Thus, modern anti-Semitism was born, and acquired a more and more tragic and satanic form. The widespread use of this technique began in Czarist Russia, in the struggle to smother those revolutionary attempts that finally toppled the Czarist rule. Through the Czarist secret police, the rulers attempted to identify revolutionary action with the activities of the Jews. The rulers of Czarist Russia fought against certain phenomena, and in this fight they created a kind of equation, which was supposed to prove their claims. The Czarist secret police created one of the documents that became an anti-Semitic classic, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion." This book reveals the so-called secret plan weaved by the leaders of the Jews, to take over the entire world. "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" became a holy book among the anti-Semites.

"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was simply a rewriting of a French book that attributed ambitions to take over the world to Napoleon. This booklet is called "a dialogue in hell between Machiavelli and Montasque," or "Politics of the Nineteenth Century." These accusations were not at all directed towards the Jews and Judaism. However, the dialogue was adopted and transformed into the protocols of an imaginary group whose members were the world leaders of Judaism, attempting to take over the politics of various European countries.

Even the Czar himself, Nikolai the Second, although far from bearing the Jews any fond feelings, saw that the book was a fake and opposed its publication. Despite this, the first Russian edition appeared in 1905. A number of years later, other editions began to appear. Some of the editions were altered and corrected in order to make it possible to accuse the Jews of various catastrophes that took place between one edition and another. At various opportunities, it became the topic of public court cases, in which the book was proved to be a forgery. However, this of course did not check the book's growing popularity, particularly in the wake of the Nazi influence. The book influenced various writers, who were mistakenly taken in and convinced of its authenticity. Thus, for example, Henry Ford was inspired by "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" to write "The International Jew," in which he continues these accusations. Various other books were written in its wake until recent years.

This is an example of a lie and forgery that the power of truth could not effectually surmount. This abominable book became a justification of Nazism and the genocide that followed in its wake. This is an example of the phenomena that we must deal with. Forgeries spread throughout the world, and people are convinced.


49c: Cinderella, part 3:


The book of Job represents the conflict between Judaism and the other central religions. Both Islam and Christianity, throughout the generations, have continually employed a claim in the anti-Jewish argument that can be termed "the exile proof." The success of these religions is seemingly a proof that God is on their side. I propose to prove the opposite theory, that it is the anti-hero who is God's ally.

Our forefathers knew that the exile was a trial to be overcome. The Jew refuses to accept the claims of his friends; he insists upon the justice of his path. This insistence has a sublimity to it, which is expressed in the Jewish existence in exile. The members of the Great Assembly recognized this when they coined the phrase we use in our prayers, "the great mighty and awesome God." When the prophets saw the destruction, they omitted parts of the formula one by one, and questioned His might and greatness. These omissions are built upon the approach that says that truth is revealed on the battlefield, or through political or financial success. The members of the Great Assembly re-instituted the authentic phrase "the great, mighty and awesome God" and claimed that paradoxically, through Jewish existence in exile, God's greatness and might are expressed. On the one hand, the irrational existence of the Jews in exile is the miraculous existence of one lamb among seventy wolves. Yet on the other hand, the exile expresses the fact that the Jewish people accepted the yoke of Heaven, not from a state where God made sure they lacked for nothing, not from a state of military success or financial abundance, but from poverty and suffering, without even the hope of change in the foreseeable future.

Cinderella's sisters found proof of their preferred status in their success. However, their success was, of course, helped by the sword. Christianity and Islam used the sword, and their covenant with the sword, to take over the world. Job, who worships God within his suffering, reaches the highest level of divine worship. Whenever Jews chose to suffer rather than utter the one traitorous word that could have altered their fate, it was a constant sanctification of God's name. Putting the Jewish people (and Job) through suffering was God's great gamble against Satan, and cosmically, their continued acceptance of God was a greater proof of the truth of Judaism than a triumph on the battlefield. This perhaps sounds surprising. However, if we would possess a consciousness of the truth, we would be able to understand the profound value of our exile and our suffering. It is for the lack of this consciousness of the truth that the king is justified in his criticism of the Jewish people; as the Chaver says, "You have found the place of my shame, King of Khazar" (1:115).

We are sometimes missing an awareness of the significance of the life that we live. We sometimes live with no awareness of our position and no understanding of what is really taking place in our lives. The Jew always knew that he could escape his fate by uttering one word, yet he refused to do it. We must be aware of this heroism, that we accepted our suffering out of love and longing for God. The Jew knows this, yet sometimes he does not know that he knows it.

Rihal teaches us that the suffering of the Jews in exile was a sacrifice for the sake of the Torah. It was a life of martyrdom, the highest level exalted by the Christians and Moslems. Rihal reiterated the principle (2:34, 4:22) that many of the values extolled in Christian and Moslem theology are Jewish values that were fulfilled by the Jewish people. The most obvious example is the section in Yishayahu (52:13-53-12) that speaks of the suffering servant of God. God's suffering servant is actually the Jewish people. The Christians applied this section to their Messiah. Rihal restores the section to its authentic meaning.

Rihal fought against a phenomenon that can be termed stolen identity. The phenomenon has many levels. Christianity claimed to be the true Israel. Islam claimed that the Koran is the authentic holy writ. Our return to the land of Israel was accompanied by a similar process. The Palestinian charter is a reworking of the principles of Zionism.

Despite this re-evaluation of suffering, there is no doubt that it is impossible to discuss history without also speaking from the perspective of chapter 42 of Job. Judaism believes that redemption is assured. It is not possible that God will suffer evil forever. However, we are discussing reality from the perspective of an earlier chapter. We don't have the perspective of the ending. Our generation must view itself as fortunate because we can read the first few verses of the final chapter, the first glimmerings of redemption. We see the course of history changing. Rihal, in contrast, lived at a low point of Jewish history, when the Christians and the Moslems were at the height of their power. Each ruled over half the world and claimed that their success was an expression of divine blessing. Judaism is Job's great gamble against his friends. It is the gamble of the sufferer when redemption is beyond the scope of his horizon. The response of Job/the Jewish people is "Even if He kills me, I still hope to Him" (13:15), and at the same time, "I will wait for [Messiah's] arrival every day."


49d: Cinderella, part 4:

Exile and Redemption

The faith in redemption is paramount in our theology. The Torah, stamped with divine truth, prophesies the redemption of the Jewish people. God has foreknowledge of world history. Therefore, we pray to Him to involve Him in our redemption.

Rihal teaches us that the process of world redemption continues to take place, even while the Jewish people are in exile. Divine providence functions in ways that are mysterious to us, and seem to bring about the complete opposite of redemption. Rihal and the Rambam after him (Rambam, laws of kings, chapter 11), teach us that the mysterious workings of divine providence stand behind the success of Christianity and Islam as well. The message of Judaism was spread to the ends of the earth through these messengers. Thus Rabbi Abraham, son of the Rambam writes in his father's name:

"By keeping my Torah, you will be world leaders, your relation to them as that of a priest to his flock, the world will follow in your footsteps and imitate your actions and follow your paths. This is the explanation I received from my father of blessed memory." (Rabbi Abraham son of the Rambam, commentary on Bereshit and Shemot)

This idea is repeated in Rabbi Bachya ben Asher's "Kad Kemach:"

"And the reason for the dispersion in my opinion...is that the Jews be spread among the nations...and they will teach them the belief in the existence of God and of the divine providence that hovers over every detail of human existence." (Kad Kemach, Redemption)

Later this idea was expressed by Rabbi Chayim ben Betzalel, brother of the Maharal. In his interpretation of the prophecy of Isaiah the servant of God he writes,

"And we may also explain: God wished to oppress the Jews and disperse them among the nations for the sake of the goodness of the other nations who are also the work of His hands; through the Jews who are dispersed throughout the world the true faith will also be spread throughout the world...for God desired the nations also to hold the true faith...for this reason they [the Jews] are called children of Yizrael, [literally, God will plant], for they are the seed that God planted throughout the world, like the person who plants his wheat and does not throw it down in one place but spreads it to all the edges of the fields, so the Jews were dispersed to the four corners of the earth, so that through them the true faith would spread throughout the world. (The Book of Life, Book of Redemption and Salvation, chapter 7)

Exile is a trial, a trial that is part of a divine plan of history. However, the proof of the truth lies also in the ending of the book of Job, which closes, despite everything, with redemption. The key to understanding this ending lies in the verse that tells us that God "returned the exiles of Job" (Job 42:10). This verse loses its meaning if it does not create an association with other similar verses: "when God shall return the exiles of Zion...Return, O God, our exiles." The return of the sons and daughters of Job represents the return of the nation after the exile. The end of the book prophesies the redemption, and bears witness that despite everything, history owes a debt to the Jewish people. Ultimately, history will be altered, and the world will witness the redemption and the return.

We cannot think about the history of our ancestors in exile without an awareness of their greatness. However here too, thank God, our situation has changed. We, the modern successors of the Kuzari, must emphasize different things today. These are the ideas Rihal will teach us in the end of the fifth section of the Kuzari. We must understand that in our day the exile is a trap, and our attitude towards it must be one of repudiation and aliya (literally, going up) to Israel. The status of exile today can be summed up in one sentence: exile today is not a punishment, it is a sin.

The Dry Bones

Rihal discusses the question of the fate of the Jewish people in his discussion of the suffering of the individual (3:11). He teaches us that the meaning of suffering for the individual must reflect the meaning of the suffering of the group as well.

"For when the confusions of logic arouse in his heart the length of the exile and the dispersion of the people and the dwindling of their numbers - he must first comfort himself with accepting divinely proscribed fate as I have said, and then with the attempt to punish sins, and then with the reward and punishment which await in the World to Come and cleaving to the Divine Presence in this world."

A third stage is added to the first two responses to suffering. To the philosophical stage in which we accept the meaning of evil, we add the understanding of reward and punishment, and to these we add a third stage, the persuasion that the sufferings of the past build us up towards the future. This is true both with regard to the individual and the nation. To this Rihal adds:

"And if Satan brings him to despair by saying, "shall these bones live?" for our imprint among the nations has been greatly reduced and our memory is forgotten, as it is said, "our bones have dried up we have lost hope, we are doomed," he must think of the miracle of the exodus from Egypt...and then it will not seem impossible to him that we will return to our former state even when there will be only one person left of us, as it is written, "fear not, worm of Ya'akov." for what is left of man after he becomes a worm in his grave?"

Here we meet once again with Rihal the daring commentator. There are many ways that the term "worm of Ya'akov" is commonly explained. Particularly well known is the explanation of the Sages that, like the worm, our power is in our mouths. However, Rihal takes an amazing leap of interpretation here. He takes "worm of Ya'akov" to mean a worm on a dead body, the final sign of life. Despite it all, we will rise again.

Here we see, regarding both the individual and the nation, that suffering is first and foremost a trial. This is in essence Job's question. Job asks the question of suffering, and refuses to accept the standard philosophical answers. Yet, he believes. In next week's lecture, we will analyze the meaning and essence of this faith.....................49e: Cinderella, part 5:

Exile and Redemption


I would like to explain the meaning of Job's faith by means of a contrast between two situations in modern literature. I will bring the first example from a short story by a well-known author, who inherited the Jewish tradition from his parents' home. This tradition has not disappeared despite the power of the evil inclination. He himself is very aware of this struggle, and does not want to lose his Jewish roots. I am speaking of Isaac Bashevis Singer. I will refer to one of his stories, entitled "Zeidlus the First." Zeidlus is of course a Latin play on the Yiddish name Zeidel. Singer tells us of a man named Zeidel, a learned Jew whom Satan attempts to lead astray. All of his initial efforts fail. The regular temptations do not work on Zeidel. However, the temptation of pride is too strong for Zeidel to resist. How does one tempt a Jew with pride? If you convert, says Satan, you will go far; you will become Pope Zeidlus the First. Zeidel falls into the trap. However, his life does not turn out exactly the way Satan promised him.

Rabbi Nachman of Breslov teaches that Satan is like the person who shows a child his closed hand and promises, "if you do such and such I will give you what is in my hand." The child does what he is asked, and afterwards, when the hand opens, the child sees that it is empty.

We will not go into all of Zeidel's adventures. We will only say that he failed at everything, and when Satan appears at the moment of death to take his soul, and Zeidel sees him, he exclaims,

"Is it you Satan, angel of death?"
"Yes Zeidel," replies the Tempter, "I have come for you. And it won't help you to repent or confess, so don't try."
"Where are you taking me?" he asked.
"Straight to Gehenna."
"If there is a Gehenna, there is also a God," Zeidel said, his lips trembling.
"This proves nothing," I retorted.
"Yes it does," he said. "If Hell exists, everything exists. If you are real, He is real. Now take me to where I belong. I am ready."

This idea, of the discovery of God beyond evil, is completely opposed to a message that appears in one of Ingmar Bergman's "philosophical" films, "The Seventh Seal." In the film – which has a Christian background - a knight appears who asks the final questions, and in one of the dialogues of the film someone who has seen the angel of death claims that he looked into his eyes, but beyond them one could see nothing. In contrast to this, the meaning of the story of "Zeidlus the First" is that beyond evil one can see good. This is the great leap that we must take: the leap from the absurd into a meaningful existence.

The Torah concludes with a commandment to study a song and remember it from generation to generation, so that it will exist forever. This is the song of "Hearken" ("Ha'azinu"). The Torah explains that days will come when

"I will hide My face from them and they will be prey, and will be beset by many evils and troubles and they will say on that day, 'it is because my God is not with me that we have been beset by these evils'... And now, write this song for yourselves and teach it to the children of Israel, place it in their mouths, so that this song will be a witness for the Children of Israel." (Devarim 31:17-19)

A time of great suffering will come, and the nation will ask the question, is God indeed among us? Or in a more modern version, "Can one believe in God after Auschwitz?" The Torah commanded us to study this song, so that we will know that despite the pain and evil, God is with us. This is the song that comes to teach us that even in the midst of evil, God is with us.

"How can one [man] chase a thousand and two [men] pursue ten thousand, if their Rock had not sold them, and God had not trapped them." (Devarim 32:30)

Despite everything, the world is not left to its own devices. This is a prophetic promise given to us so that we will not give up hope.

And here I will dare to make the terrible leap, towards the eyes of the Angel of Death. In our generation we have learned something beyond what Rihal has taught us. We can learn about the truth, as Rihal said, from the fact that God revealed himself at Mount Sinai and chose the nation that He loves, the Chosen People, and gave them the Torah. However, to our sorrow, in history there is another way as well. If Satan appeared, and I was indeed certain that he was Satan, I could learn, paradoxically, from him, that the Chosen People are the nation that Satan recognizes and announces to be his enemy. History has shown us many anti-Semites, great and small. However, Satan himself was none other than Nazism. Nazism appeared and, pointing at the Jewish people, announced, "This is my enemy." We have learned that the Jewish people are the Chosen People - from the evidence given by Satan. Satan did not hate the Jews because we were opposed to his political ideas or because we disturbed his plans. The child and the old man, who were powerless to harm anyone, were also Satan's enemies. To some extent, the Holocaust was an Encounter at Auschwitz, parallel to the Encounter at Mount Sinai, in which Satan appeared and showed us the way to the great leap, the need to see beyond the empty eyes of the Angel of Death. Beyond them there is something else. It is not emptiness. Zeidlus the First was right: "If you are real, He is real."

The world understands this logic, even if only subconsciously. We can understand this if we analyze different reactions to the Holocaust. The anti-Semite complains that the Nazis did not finish the job. We are also familiar with the attempts of Nazi sympathizers who want to deny the Holocaust, and sometimes we hear both claims at once. This is one side of the range of responses. However, on the other side we hear more sophisticated denials. For many years we have been witnesses to an attempt, by the Poles for example, to deny the fact that the Jews were the victims of the Holocaust. However, the most evident attempt in this area is without a doubt the establishment of the Carmelite monastery at Auschwitz. Here we are faced with an attempt to rewrite history: Christianity was one of the victims of Auschwitz. The Church did this, for example, by making a Jewish convert to Christianity into a Christian saint. This is because, consciously or subconsciously, everyone whose conscience was not destroyed by Nazism understands that every honest person should have been at Auschwitz. There Satan made the selection. And whoever was not chosen by him to be wiped out, cannot possibly be the chosen one of God.

Cinderella and her sisters

Today we can understand this because of the perspective that we have on the first verses of the last chapter of the book of Job. From this perspective, which stems from a sense that we are at the beginning of the Redemption, we ought to reread the end of the story of Cinderella. How did Cinderella treat her sisters after her rise to greatness? I leave the reader to do his own homework, but I promise him that a look at the various versions will be very interesting. What God expects from Job is clear. God expects Job to pray for his friends who have constantly directed their arrows at him. This is a very difficult moral paradox. However, it helps us to understand the secret of the ending of the book. The redemption of Job represents the return of the Jewish people to their land. The verse actually uses the phrase "returned his exiles" (42:10), which is essentially a national term. Now we also understand another difficulty. His first children are lost to him, yet Job's comfort - a comfort that does not erase the pain - is in his second children. The Holocaust was an event that can never be forgotten, and we are left with problems that cannot be rationally explained away. However, now we see the return of Job's exiles, and the prayer that he wishes for the whole world: may sins, not sinners, be obliterated.

Job's friends, Cinderella's sisters, are the other religions that point an accusing finger at Job: Job, you are suffering, this is proof that you have sinned, this means that God has rejected you. The book ends with the meeting with the prince: "and God returned the exiles of Job" - this is the Redemption.


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