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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  true lilly on Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:06 am

BBC NEWS
BIG PICTURE
ENGLAND



A tree with very few leaves left,
on an autumn evening
on Wimbledon Common in London.










Quote:



Originally Posted by vera susa




Prince William
at a Polo match
in Sandhurst,
July 2007



An engraving from 1740
showing a leopard-spotted horse
belonging to
the Holy Roman Emperor







http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=86338&page=34
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=86338&page=33

So, putting aside, 'what they say',
WHAT DO YOU SEE?
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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  true lilly on Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:13 am

Indy and the Lost Credibility
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment...-10388,00.html

More
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23782262-2,00.html


Now what I can NOT FIND, ANY MORE
(but should still have at Unhived Mind,
if someone can access it), is information
on a SOUTH AMERICAN CODEX of their Ancient Glyphs,
that contained things like, except this one doesn't show,
A BABY of one DISTINCT COLOUR
being BORN TO PARENTS of TWO OTHER
DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT COLOURS
;




Which I used to point out a number of things,
including, and specifically,
that MAN USED TO HAVE
ALL COLOURS IN ONE FAMILY!

JUST AS GOD TOLD US,
IN HOLY SCRIPTURE,
FROM THE BEGINNING...
BEING REVEALED TODAY!

Those South American KINGDOMS are
"The Remains" of those OLD TESTAMENT
KINGDOMS & CITIES, after the loss of
ISRAEL'S BLESSINGS
(BEFORE The GREAT Scattering, Mixing and
MINGLING with XENOPHOBIC "Nations"),
AFTER Israel then, being DRIVEN OUT of OZ,
into THE REST OF THE WORLD.
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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  true lilly on Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:35 am

El Mirador was first discovered in 1926,
and was photographed from the air in 1930,
but the remote site deep in the jungle
had little more attention paid to it until
Ian Graham spent some time there
making the first map of the area in 1962.

A detailed investigation was begun in 1978
with an archaeological project
under the direction of Dr. Bruce Dahlin
(Catholic University of America)
and Dr. Ray Matheny
(Brigham Young University).


Dahlin's work focused primarily on the bajo swamps
and mapping,
while Matheny's team focused primarily on excavations
in the site center and architecture.

This project ended in 1983.

To the surprise of the archaeologists,
it was found that a large amount of construction
was not contemporary with the large
Maya classic cities in the area,
like Tikal and Uaxactun,
but rather from centuries earlier
in the Pre-Classic era...

In 2003, Dr. Richard D. Hansen,
a Senior Scientist from Idaho State University,
initiated major investigation, stabilization, and
conservation programs (read: CUT ALL INDEPENDENT
RESEARCHERS OUT!)

at El Mirador with a multi-disciplinary approach,
including staff and technical personnel from 52 universities
and research institutions from throughout the world.


By August 2008,
the team had published
168 scientific papers
...


BUT EVERY NEW HOLE "THEY"
DIG IN EGYPT GETS WORLD PRESS!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Mirador



Bloody 'nile' and it's canals has NOTHING
on the Amazon and South American water
MANAGEMENT...until, as God Warned, He
Dried up the artesian supply...

The Underground Nazca Aqueducts of Cantayo

Including The Cantalloc Lines

Peru & The Nazca Plateau Website Menu:

http://www.nazcamystery.com/nazca_cantayo.htm

Please, EXPLORE this site,
full of stuff like:






Consider the reasons
for so many access wells?
What size population was supported
by this water source?



YET! YET! YET WE ALL 'know' about the
NAZCA LINES because some old
TAVISTOCK baby fuckers told us that
meant we just had to sit back and WAIT
FOR the ALIENS to COME BACK and 'save' us...

Oh that's an 'open mind', that 'thinks' that way,
but hey, LOOK, LOTS OF WATER STORAGE
FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE who DID LOTS of Great
Things...
nah, couldn't be, 'then' it BECOMES
'religious'
THINKING BECAUSE ALL THAT SCIENCE
IS IN ONE SOURCE that TOLD US ALL, FROM,
THE BEGINNING!






Caral Amphitheater Temple illuminated at night
...yeah, AND, YOU KNOW
what they LOOK LIKE...

http://www.nazcamystery.com/caral.htm



Welcome to
PrecolumbianWHEELS.com

http://www.precolumbianwheels.com/

This website explores a
little known aspect of Pre-Columbian America:
that the cultures and civilizations,
from Mexico to Chile,

never developed the use of the wheel
as it was used in Eurasia and Africa.

However, that is not to say
that the wheel was unknown!
Far from it.
Cultures throughout Ancient America
not only knew of the wheel,
but made use of it in various ways.










http://www.lostcities.us/lostcities_cities.htm


http://www.precolumbian.us/



http://www.mcguinnesspublishing.com/ancientamerica.htm



BUT HERE IS THE LIE that BLINDS...
Note the VERY EMPTY Americas and
EVEN Africa, and NO AUSTRALIA despite
oh, EVERYTHING HERE, PEOPLES Included
BEING THE OLDEST ON EARTH!!!

This is how "they" 'teach' us to
NOT think...












So, for how long have people been coming here
to 'get and spread enlightenment'...

World's Largest Pyramid Discovered (Guatemala)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=88276

MOSES LED ISRAEL OUT OF THE AMERICAS.

It IS a MUCH OLDER STORY than
ROME LIES!


That TRENCH on the South East Coast;
FIRST the water drew back, then HUGE TSUNAMI
wipes out the Bully Boy King and his army following.

It was the REED Sea they crossed, shallow then and
progressively Volcanic Island dotted (Pillars of Smoke
and Fire they followed) as they crossed that boggy
wasteland to the Stable Rich lands of Australia...enjoying
a feast of MUTTON Birds just before they got here.

The FALSE 'out of Egypt' time-line
prevents most from seeing these Histories of
the Whole World AS GOD DESCRIBED
FROM THE BEGINNING.


More on those TRULY ANCIENT CULTURES here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=86338&page=36

And it bothers me and SHOULD MOST that if it
were not for some perverse OBSESSION with
the EGYPTIAN DEATH WORSHIP RELIGION'S
FALSE claim to PYRAMIDS, no one would give a hoot
about what REAL HISTORY is yet to be UNCOVERED
in lands like this AND VIRTUALLY UNTOUCHABLE,
EVEN WITH YOUR EYES, AUSTRALIA.
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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  true lilly on Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:15 am

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Originally Posted by redpill41



hi

please can you explain what this thread is about ? Is it trying to demonstrate the side effects of conspiracy theories?

It keeps popping up in todays news and i normally ignore it because i dont understand but would like to.

Thanks




O.K.

People CONSPIRE to
"make LIES 'truth'"
FOR their PERSONAL BENEFIT.

Just look at "The Stars" of
The Conspiracy INDUSTRY:

ALL, "Doing Very Well, Thank US!"

yet despite DECADES of their MARKETING
all 'they've' managed to SELL is HOPELESSNESS,
while FURTHER BURYING THE OLDEST CONSPIRACY.

Which IS that
The CREATOR GOD of Holy Scripture
DID Tell Us FROM THE BEGINNING
what WOULD COME BE...

...so "They" CHANGED KEY Words
and Meanings in God's Living Word
to make it, the 'Bacon Fried bible',
"Their" WEAPON AGAINST TRUTH.

See, when you KNOW that Egypt is NOT
the land that Moses led Israel out of, and
that That HISTORY is MUCH OLDER than
the 'Classic' Greek age of LIES (myths),
let alone Rome's Old and The CURRENT,
NEW WORLD ORDER, you CAN SEE what
God WARNED of and PROMISED FOR
THE WHOLE WORLD and ALL PEOPLES.

Anyway The Most GLARING EVIDENCE...
yes, GLARING: SO BRIGHT IT BLINDS...
is that ALL the WORLD'S RELIGIONS
And ATHEIST Movements
(Despite 'their' WARS AGAINST
EACH OTHERS PEOPLES), AGREE TO LIE
that The MITSRAYIM that God DESCRIBED
and gave so MANY WARNINGS AGAINST,
is 'Egypt' rather than THE AMERICAS.

When it is IMPOSSIBLE to fit 'Egypt' to
MITSRAYIM, the Lands DESCRIBED As
The Americas...so 'They' CHANGED other
KEY words like PERATH (a river head out
of the EDEN AGE of The Super-Continent's
Great River) to the 'Euphrates' and RIVERS
to 'The Nile', etc. so as to CONTRACT the
TIME and LOCATIONS of GOD'S LIVING WORD
to SELL the CATHOLIC (Universal/One World),
HATE Inspiring, DEATH WORSHIPPING, LIE.

Oh, there is SO MUCH more I've written on this,
AND BEGGED ALL Readers (around 7 Million now),
to correct me where I'm wrong, but it remains
THE CONSPIRACY that The CATHOLIC FUNDED
Conspiracy INDUSTRY, WILL NOT ADDRESS....

other that ATTACKING me (Literally,
Financially, Socially and PHYSICALLY),
for daring to expose The Conspiracy
Behind All Conspiracies: 'They' KNOW
that AUSTRALIA IS The Glorious Land that
God Promised to The Tribes of Israel;
'They' KNOW The Creator God EXISTS,

but 'They' Serve The Beast of LIES, HATE
and DEATH.
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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  true lilly on Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:19 am


Now read this KNOWING that
AUSTRALIA IS ZION...

Isaiah 60
The Glory of Zion


1 "Arise, shine, for your light has come,
and the glory of the LORD rises upon you.

2 See, darkness covers the earth
and thick darkness is over the peoples,
but the LORD rises upon you
and his glory appears over you.

3 Nations will come to your light,
and kings to the brightness of your dawn.

4 "Lift up your eyes and look about you:
All assemble and come to you;
your sons come from afar,
and your daughters are carried on the arm.

5 Then you will look and be radiant,
your heart will throb and swell with joy;
the wealth on the seas will be brought to you,
to you the riches of the nations will come.

6 Herds of camels will cover your land,
young camels of Midian and Ephah.
And all from Sheba will come,
bearing gold and incense
and proclaiming the praise of the LORD.

7 All Kedar's flocks will be gathered to you,
the rams of Nebaioth will serve you;
they will be accepted as offerings on my altar,
and I will adorn my glorious temple.

8 "Who are these that fly along like clouds,
like doves to their nests?

9 Surely the islands look to me;
in the lead are the ships of Tarshish, [a]
bringing your sons from afar,
with their silver and gold,
to the honor of the LORD your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.

10 "Foreigners will rebuild your walls,
and their kings will serve you.
Though in anger I struck you,
in favor I will show you compassion.

11 Your gates will always stand open,
they will never be shut, day or night,
so that men may bring you the wealth of the nations—
their kings led in triumphal procession.

12 For the nation or kingdom that will not serve you will perish;
it will be utterly ruined.

13 "The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
the pine, the fir and the cypress together,
to adorn the place of my sanctuary;
and I will glorify the place of my feet.

14 The sons of your oppressors will come bowing before you;
all who despise you will bow down at your feet
and will call you the City of the LORD,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

15 "Although you have been forsaken and hated,
with no one traveling through,
I will make you the everlasting pride
and the joy of all generations.

16 You will drink the milk of nations
and be nursed at royal breasts.
Then you will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior,
your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.

17 Instead of bronze I will bring you gold,
and silver in place of iron.
Instead of wood I will bring you bronze,
and iron in place of stones.
I will make peace your governor
and righteousness your ruler.

18 No longer will violence be heard in your land,
nor ruin or destruction within your borders,
but you will call your walls Salvation
and your gates Praise.

19 The sun will no more be your light by day,
nor will the brightness of the moon shine on you,
for the LORD will be your everlasting light,
and your God will be your glory.

20 Your sun will never set again,
and your moon will wane no more;
the LORD will be your everlasting light,
and your days of sorrow will end.

21 Then will all your people be righteous
and they will possess the land forever.
They are the shoot I have planted,
the work of my hands,
for the display of my splendor.

22 The least of you will become a thousand,
the smallest a mighty nation.
I am the LORD;
in its time I will do this swiftly."


Isaiah 61
The Year of the LORD's Favor


1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
because the LORD has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners, [a]

2 to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
to comfort all who mourn,

3 and provide for those who grieve in Zion—
to bestow on them a crown of beauty
instead of ashes,
the oil of gladness
instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise
instead of a spirit of despair.
They will be called oaks of righteousness,
a planting of the LORD
for the display of his splendor.

4 They will rebuild the ancient ruins
and restore the places long devastated;
they will renew the ruined cities
that have been devastated for generations.

5 Aliens will shepherd your flocks;
foreigners will work your fields and vineyards.

6 And you will be called priests of the LORD,
you will be named ministers of our God.
You will feed on the wealth of nations,
and in their riches you will boast.

7 Instead of their shame
my people will receive a double portion,
and instead of disgrace
they will rejoice in their inheritance;
and so they will inherit a double portion in their land,
and everlasting joy will be theirs.

8 "For I, the LORD, love justice;
I hate robbery and iniquity.
In my faithfulness I will reward them
and make an everlasting covenant with them.

9 Their descendants will be known among the nations
and their offspring among the peoples.
All who see them will acknowledge
that they are a people the LORD has blessed."

10 I delight greatly in the LORD;
my soul rejoices in my God.
For he has clothed me with garments of salvation
and arrayed me in a robe of righteousness,
as a bridegroom adorns his head like a priest,
and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

11 For as the soil makes the sprout come up
and a garden causes seeds to grow,
so the Sovereign LORD will make righteousness and praise
spring up before all nations.
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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  MoMo on Fri Jul 29, 2011 11:51 am

el kabong wrote:
true lilly wrote:Now who's being elitist here? 'You'. Not me.

Why keep peddling the lie that one must be
'privy to secrets' of any religion or group,
in order to have God's Word revealed? When
God Promised ANYONE who sought to know Him,
with their Whole Heart, Mind and Strength
(Testing Scripture against Scripture, and, What Is,
In The Whole Real World), would be answered,
with revelations, knowledge, understanding and
Others of His Blessings.

Lilly, your post is proof that you have eyes yet you are blind and do not see. Had you bothered to read and comprehend my Post you would 'see that it is a Public Revelation, not private like your bullshit. thumbs up


Most peeps don't realise that Quality Control is 'Built Into' the Bible--Checks & Balances.

Bullshit never holds up to pressure. thumbs up

[size=24]#1: The Torah was presented publicly, Telepathicly; to the Entire Nation of Hebrews along with the greeks and egyptians that had accompanied them. Impossible to fake. thumbs up


What support is there for the claim that God spoke to all the Jewish people at the foot of Mount Sinai?


http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/start-of-judaism/

The Torah claims that the entire Jewish nation heard God speak at Sinai, an assertion that has been accepted as part of their nation’s history for over 3,000 years................Two types of stories are part of any national heritage.

The first kind is legends. Included in this category is George Washington’s admission to chopping down the cherry tree, along with his statement, “I cannot tell a lie.” Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across America with his discarded apple cores is another legend
..........................................What is the difference between legend and history?

A legend is an unverified story. By their very nature legends are unverifiable because they have very few eyewitnesses. Perhaps little George did chop down the cherry tree. We can’t know if it happened. This does not mean that the legend is necessarily false, only that it is unverifiable. No one thinks legends are facts, therefore they are not accepted as reliable history.

History, however, is comprised of events we know actually happened. It is reliable because we can determine if the claimed event is true or false through a number of ways. One key to verification is the assertion that large numbers of eyewitnesses observed the specific event
.....................................SINAI: AN IMPOSSIBLE HOAX

So far we have seen two types of claims—one is unverifiable and the other is inherently false.

Could the revelation at Sinai have been a brilliant hoax, duping millions of people into believing that God spoke to them?
....................SINAI: THE ONLY CLAIM OF NATIONAL REVELATION

Throughout history, tens of thousands of religions have been started by individuals, attempting to convince people that God spoke to him or her. All religions that base themselves on some type of revelation share essentially the same beginning: a holy person goes into solitude, comes back to his people, and announces that he has experienced a personal revelation where God appointed him to be His prophet.

Would you believe someone who claims to have received a personal communication from God appointing him or her as God’s new prophet?

Maybe He did. Then again, maybe He didn’t. One can never know. The claim is inherently unverifiable.

Personal revelation is an extremely weak basis for a religion since one can never know if it is indeed true. Even if the individual claiming personal revelation performs miracles, there is still no verification that he is a genuine prophet. Miracles do not prove anything. All they show—assuming they are genuine—is that he has certain powers. It has nothing to do with his claim of prophecy................................There are 15,000 known religions in all of recorded history. Given this inherent weakness, why do all of them base their claim on personal revelation? If someone wanted their religion to be accepted, why wouldn’t they present the strongest, most believable claim possible—i.e. national revelation! It’s far more credible. No one has to take a leap of faith and blindly trust just one person’s word. It is qualitatively better to claim that God came to everyone, telling the entire group that so-and-so is His prophet.

Why would God establish His entire relationship with a nation through one man, without any possibility of verification, and still expect this nation to obediently follow an entire system of instructions, based only on blind faith?

Yet, Judaism is the only religion in the annals of history that makes the best of all claims—that everyone heard God speak. No other religion claims the experience of national revelation. Why?

..................Let’s summarize two primary questions:

1. Out of 15,000 known religions in recorded history, why is Judaism the only one that claims national revelation, the best of all claims? Why do all other religions base themselves on the inherently weak assertion of personal revelation?

2. If Judaism’s claim is indeed an example of a successful hoax that falsely asserts national revelation, the author just got away with passing off the best possible claim, and others will certainly follow suit. Why then would he predict that no one else will ever make a similar claim, a prediction he knows he cannot foresee, and whose outcome is likely to be the exact opposite?

There is one simple answer to both questions. A national revelation—as opposed to personal revelation—is the one lie you cannot get away with. It is one event you cannot fabricate. The only way to make this claim is if it actually happened.

If the claim is true, the people will believe it because they are agreeing to something they already know. Either they personally witnessed it, or their ancestors collectively passed down the account as part of their nation’s accepted history.

If the claim is false, it’s like trying to convince you that God spoke to you or your parents and somehow you never heard of it. No one would ever accept such a claim.

Therefore no other religion has ever made the best of all claims, because it is the one claim that can only be made if it is true. One cannot pass national revelation off as a hoax.

When inventing a religion, the originator must resort to personal revelation, despite its inherent weakness, since it is a claim that is unverifiable. The originator can hope to find adherents willing to take a leap of faith and accept his or her religion. After all, no one can ever know it is a lie. [Of course, no one can know if it’s true either.] This simply cannot work with national revelation since it’s the one claim that everyone will know is a lie.

Only Judaism can claim national revelation since the Jewish people is the only nation in the history of mankind who ever experienced it
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Bullshit can't handle pressure.it is like a bluff in a Poker Game............if I am holding an excellent hand I'll see all your bets/raises and then 'call you'.

When you produce your shit hand and I lay down my Royal Flush I'll collect the Ducats. nuthin' personal. thumbs up

There are many other quality Control features in the Bible, but the National Revelation, and Yahshuas/Jesus ministry was Public are significant factors.







Cheers Matey.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY


lissen up you ignorant bitch, your Avatar is a deception-you only placed a partial map of europe over the map of Australia. thumbs up

TORAH FOR ALL ISRAELITE NATIONSBy Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky
http://www.yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/26.php

THE PROMISE TO END SLAVERY thumbs up
In Bereshith 15:13 Yahuwah prophesies to Avraham that his seed will be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. We learn that the nation enslaving them would be judged, while Abraham’s children would make an exodus with great wealth. Yahuwah uses the 400 years as a general time frame even tough the actual time of slavery was 430 years. In Bereshith 46:4 Yahuwah tells Israel/Yakkov to go down to Mitzrayim in order that Yahuwah can bring to pass the patriarchal promise of physical multiplicity, while Yahuwah promises to be with Yisrael in Mitzrayim. When Yahuwah is with you, no one can be against you or His plan for your life. Yahuwah also promises to return Israel to Canaan, when He brings them up again from Mitzrayim. This promise is confirmed to Yisrael in Bereshith 28:15.

INITIAL OFFER

Yisrael was to be set-apart by their prophesied exodus from Egypt, and in order to seal their set-apartness from all nations, they were to be given a Torah or a set of loving instructions. According to Devarim/Deut. 4:6, all nations would then see that “only a wise (spiritual), and understanding people was this GREAT (physical) nation. Israel was brought forth, and set-apart to shine before men. In like manner Yahshua renewed that call in Matityahu 5:13-14. Torah would become their wisdom after the presentation of Torah to Yisrael on Horeb. When Israel obeys Yahuwah’s ways, all nations will confess our greatness, and our favor before man and Yahuwah. On Sinai/Horeb Yahuwah betrothed Himself to Yisrael. This betrothal is called an eruzin. It is a pledge unto consummation rather than a consummation act itself. In Tehillim 138:4 the Devar Yahuwah calls on all the earth’s kings, and rulers to give thanks to Yahuwah for His Torah being given to national Israel. The exodus was not merely to remove Israel from bondage but to allow all nations, and all kings of all nations to hear the Words of Yahuwah known as Torah. Our sages have taught us that at first Yahuwah revealed, and offered his chesed/grace to the sons of Esau/Edom, as it is written in Devarim 33:2. But they rejected Yahuwah, even though He rose up first to offer Torah to Esau. However Esau rejected the Torah from Sinai, when Yahuwah “rose in Seir” only to be denied. Then Yahuwah offered the Torah to the rest of the sons of Ishmael symbolized by Mt. Paran, who according to Devarim 33:2-3, also rejected the “shining forth” of Torah from Sinai, even though the manifestation of fire accompanied it, along with myriads of melachim/angels!

“HEBREW-NATIONAL” ADAM

When Edom and Ishmael rejected the Torah, Yahuwah then turned to His second son, the second Adam or national Adam. That, among a myriad of other reasons is why most of the modern Arabs hate Israel, (both houses) since they rejected the true Word of Yahuwah, which Israel later accepted. Ultimately the Arabs adopted the false words of a man made deity called Allah. Not only do Edomites hate Israel for accepting the living oracles, they also hate Israel (Jews and most Christians) for having accepted the “living Torah”, the Messiah Yahshua Himself. Today’s Muslims have once again rejected the living Torah, (true biblical Yahshua as Yahuwah’s ONLY brought forth SON!) as their Edomite and Ishmaelite forefathers rejected the living oracles shining forth from Sinai. Even today Muslims claim that Gabriel gave the latter revelation of the Koran, to Mohammed in large part to CORRECT THE ERRORS OF TORAH that the Jews and Christians added when they corrupted the Torah’s truth! Nothing much has changed in the last 3,500 years.........................

Everything you need to remediate your ignorance concerning the Lost Tribes. thumbs up

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From FULL RESTORATION OF ALL ISRAEL series
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home

Full Restoration Of Israel!
Part I of a Series


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In Genesis 13:14-16 Yahuwah our Heavenly Father promised Abram the land of Canaan as well as a promise of physical multiplicity of his zera or his seed (sperm). Abram was told that this promise of physical multiplicity will be so vast and so extensive that the entire earth will literally be full of his zera. Verse 16 reminds us that at the time that this promise is literally and physically brought to pass it will be absolutely impossible for mankind to even count it, or in any way census it, since mankind is totally impotent and unable to count the dust of the earth. This promise is straightforward, needing absolutely no interpretation or explanation. That same seed will inherit the land eventually to be known as Israel.

In Genesis 15 verses 1-6 we see Abram willing to help Yahuwah fulfill the promise of Genesis 13 by prematurely and incorrectly choosing Eliezer, a Gentile, who is not a physical offspring of Abram's own sperm or zera, to be the one through whom that promise would be brought to pass. However Yahuwah rebukes Abram and makes it clear to him that His promise of physical multiplicity that would become a number that man would not be able to number would not come through an adopted Gentile or a second class choice. No! Our Heavenly Father ordained that this promised heir would come from Abram's own body. He would not be adopted but he would be a physical descendent of Abram. It is through this physical descendent that Yahuwah once again promises Abram that his physical offspring will be more than the stars of Heaven. Obviously through modern science we know that our solar system has billions of stars and of course that other solar systems have many more billions. These stars in totality produce a number that mankind cannot even fathom. Yahuwah challenges Abram's lack of ability in counting the stars with the words "if you can" in verse five. It is because of Abram's pure faith and trust in Yahuwah that he receives imputed righteousness as a result of his believing and trusting in Yahuwah's promise. Notice there is only one promise not many promises. Abram was declared righteous by faith in Yahuwah's one promise. Whoever this physical seed would turn out to be it would literally have to be more than the dust particles of the sea and the visible stars of heaven. This promise must be taken extremely and solely on a literal face value. Any tendency to somehow spiritualize this promise is a lack of faith in Yahuwah's literal Word. That would be the very opposite of the faith of Abram himself.

This promise of physical multiplicity and blessing is renewed in Genesis 17 verse 4 where Abram is told that this promise will establish him as a father of many nations or "hamon goyim". This term "hamon goyim" is also found in verse 5 and literally means a noisy multitude of Gentile nations. This physical seed that will literally fill the globe will not be a silent group of religious folks, rather they will be a great and noisy multitude making a great noise and tumult about Yahuwah and His gospel love for humanity. Verse 6 of Genesis 17 promises Abraham that through this seed of promise, kings would be manifest. This of course is talking about the kings that would one day make up the royal House of David through whom Messiah would come to His throne. In verse 7 Yahuwah reassures Abraham that this promise of greatness through physical multiplicity would be unconditional and everlasting...................

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...............................lilly, you are promoting one of the sickest, must deranged and repugnant doctrines.

Church Replacement Theology...........you call it 'Spiritual Israel'. That is a lie, deceit, fraud.
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'Spiritual Israel' is any Gentile who accepts and agrees that YHWH has Blessed Abraham and his progeny with an Eternal Covenant blessing them and the ownership of Canaan/Israel for eternity.

Definition

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Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”

Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).

Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)

One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.

Theological Basis

Replacement Theology is closely associated with Reformed (or Covenant) Theology, the brand of theology historically linked to John Calvin (1509-1564) and the Protestant Reformation. Reformed/Covenant Theology, in turn, is closely associated with amillennialism, an eschatological view with a spiritualized (rather than literal-historical) interpretation of the prophetic Scriptures. The natural affinity these views (that is, Replacement Theology and amillennialism) seem to have for each other is understandable because Replacement Theology relies so heavily on a non-literal and allegorical interpretation of the biblical promises to Israel.

Although many of the early Reformers and Puritans - including even Calvin himself - wrote about the nation of Israel one day being restored by the grace of God and experiencing a national regeneration, that is an increasingly marginalized, minority view in Reformed Christianity today (which is ironic, since we have seen the amazing rebirth of the nation of Israel, just as the Word of God predicted!). And even among those who allow for an end-time work of the Spirit of God among the Jewish people, there is still a reluctance to acknowledge that God is not finished with His people Israel as a nation, or to acknowledge the prospect of a future Kingdom on the Earth.

This view stands in contrast to the teachings of Dispensational Premillennialism, which affirms the continuing role that Israel plays (in tandem with the Church) in the outworking of God’s plan of redemption.

Historical Roots

Elements of Replacement Theology can be traced as far back as Marcion (A.D. 160), who carried on a theological crusade to purge the Church of what he perceived to be dangerous Jewish errors and influences. Later, many of these same anti-Judaic sentiments found their way into the thinking (and writings) of the Early Church fathers. Irenaeus (c. 180), for instance, wrote, “The Jews have rejected the Son of God and cast Him out of the vineyard when they slew Him. Therefore, God has justly rejected them and has given to the Gentiles outside the vineyard the fruits of its cultivation” (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Ed. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, [1885-1887], Volume 1, p. 493).

Over time, statements like these became the basis for full-blown anti-Semitism in some sectors of Christianity. Anything Jewish was renounced as an attempt to subvert and “Judaize” the Church. Teachings like chiliasm (millenarianism), for instance, were denounced as “Jewish fables.” The Early Church, which was clearly and undeniably Jewish, was described as “primitive,” unenlightened, and beset by erroneous notions that were carry-overs from ancient Judaism.

By the seventh century, Jewish people who came to faith in the Messiah were required to denounce their Jewish ancestry and heritage before they could be baptized. Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University cites the following Visigoth profession from c. A.D. 680-687: “I do here and now renounce every rite and observance of the Jewish religion, detesting all its most solemn ceremonies and tenets that in former days I kept and held. In future I will practice no rite or celebration connected with it, nor any custom of my past error, promising neither to seek it out or perform it. In the name of this Creed, which I truly believe and hold with all my heart, I promise that I will never return to the vomit of Jewish superstition. Never again will I fulfill any of the offices of Jewish ceremonies to which I was addicted, nor ever more hold them dear. I altogether deny and reject the errors of the Jewish religion, casting forth whatever conflicts with the Christian Faith, and affirming that my belief in the Holy Trinity is strong enough to make me live the truly Christian life, shun all intercourse with other Jews and have the circle of my friends only among honest Christians. With them or apart from them I must always eat Christian food, and as a genuinely devout Christian go often and reverently to Church. I promise also to maintain and embrace with due love and reverence the observance of all the Lord’s days or feasts for martyrs as declared by the piety of the Church, and upon those days to consort always with sincere Christians, as it behooves a pious and sincere Christian to do. Herewith is my profession of faith and belief as given by me on this date …” (“Professions of Faith Extracted from Jews on Baptism,’ from the Internet Medieval Sourcebook compiled by Professor Paul Halsall of Fordham University [www.fordham.edu/halsall/sources/jewish-oaths.html]).

The incredible irony here is that only a few centuries earlier, the Church had been almost exclusively Jewish! The Messiah was Jewish; the writers of the Bible were Jewish; the apostles were Jewish; the earliest Christians were Jewish; the first congregation was Jewish (located in Jerusalem); and the first missionaries were Jewish!

In fact, a council of Church leaders - including Paul, Barnabas, Peter and James - was convened at Jerusalem (Acts 15) so the leaders of the new and growing Messianic Movement (known first as “the sect of the Nazarenes,” Acts 24:5) could decide upon what conditions non-Jews would be admitted into the fellowship of the saints! But here, within just a few generations, the shoe was already on the other foot! Non-Jews were in control of the Church now. Jewish doctrines (the earthly Kingdom in particular) were considered erroneous and even seditious. And non-Jewish Church leaders were laying down the terms for Jewish believers in Jesus who wished to be baptized.

Exegetical Problems with Supersessionism

Did the sins of the Jewish nation result in her rejection? Paul’s answer is found in Romans 11: I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people whom He foreknew (vv. 1-2, NKJV). I say then, have they [Israel] stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness! (vv. 11-12, NKJV). For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? (v. 15, NKJV).

If the Jewish nation has no future in God’s plan, as the supersessionists claim, then what is the future “fullness” of Israel that Paul mentions in verse 12? And when, exactly, will the nation be resurrected (“life from the dead”) and “accepted” by God (verse 15)? Paul can’t be talking about the Church in this passage because the Church has never died - and never will (John 11:26). The only reasonable answer is that Paul is referring to a yet-future resurrection and restoration of Am Israel (the “people of Israel,” a collective term for the nation), as prophesied in passages like Ezekiel 37:1-14. It doesn’t mean they will automatically be saved simply because they are Jewish; rather, it means that the majority of Jewish people who are living at that time will recognize Yeshua of Nazareth as their Messiah and receive Him as Savior (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26).

They will be saved in the same way believers from all ages and generations have been saved; that is, they will be saved by grace, through faith (Eph. 2:8-10). The problem with saying that God rejected His people Israel is that the term “rejection” implies permanence and finality. Paul’s forceful statements in Romans 11 probably indicate that people were claiming, even in his day, that God had “cast away” His people Israel (v. 1). They were saying that Israel had “stumbled’ and “fallen” from her former position (vv. 11-12). Paul rejected any such notion (“Certainly not!” in verses 1 and 11). Then he goes on to say that even if we insist on saying that they were rejected, then we are forced to the conclusion that the rejection is only temporary. Even if we insist on saying that they did stumble and fall, then it must also be said that their fall brought salvation to the rest of the world (Gentiles) - and Israel’s fall, too, is only temporary because they are destined to be restored one day to a position of “fullness” (v. 12).

The “fullness of the Gentiles” (Rom. 11:25) refers to the time when the full number of non-Jewish believers has been added to the ranks of the Church and the last person has been saved. Likewise, the “fullness” of the Jewish people (v. 12) refers to the time when “all Israel shall be saved” (v. 26). As we saw earlier, that means the Jewish people en masse will recognize and receive their Messiah, Yeshua of Nazareth. There may be some dissenters - and their probably will be - but the Holy Spirit of God will do a powerful work among the Jewish people, and multitudes of them - the vast majority of them - will come to faith in the Messiah of Israel, Jesus of Nazareth.

The truth is that God is no more finished with Israel than He is finished with the Gentiles. Neither one has been replaced by the other; and God’s plan for both remains intact, in spite of their failures. This is really the crux of the issue. Replacement Theology says that Israel was rejected by God and that the rejection was permanent and irrevocable; however, we say that God’s calling on Israel was permanent and irrevocable, in spite of her many sins and shortcomings (Romans 11:29)

What Did the Apostles Believe About the Millennium?

Another problem for supersessionism and amillennialism is that these views are not in harmony with the teachings of the Apostles and the Early Church. Almost without exception, Church historians agree that chiliasm, an early form of premillennialism, was the position of the Early (Jewish) Church. In his classic, encyclopedic History of the Christian Church, Philip Schaff wrote, “The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene Age [A.D. 100-325] is the prominent chiliasm, or millenarianism, … a widely current opinion of distinguished teachers, such as Barnabas, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Methodius, and Lactantius …” (Scribner, 1884; Vol. 2, p. 614).

What’s interesting about this admission is that it comes from someone who was neither evangelical nor premillennial. Schaff, in fact, was himself an ardent supersessionist! He wrote, “The carnal Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament is a diabolical perversion. The Christians, and not the Jews, are the true Israel of God and the righteous owners of the Old Testament Scriptures” (Ibid., Sec. 167, “Barnabas”). Yet as a student of history and as a scholar, he had to acknowledge that chiliasm was “prominent” in the Early Church, even though he himself despised it.

It should be noted that Papias (who believed in a future, earthly Kingdom) was a disciple of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of the Apostle John who actually penned the passages in the Book of Revelation about the Millennial Kingdom. Premillennialism, then, may be the only eschatological system with an unbroken link directly to the author of the Apocalypse. This means that amillennialism represents a departure from what the Early Church believed. Augustine (354-430), author of City of God, a 22-volume defense of his theological views, proposed ideas similar to what we know as amillennialism (Books 15 to 19). However, even Augustine started out as a premillennialist! It wasn’t until later in his life that he decided that the prophecies about (and promises to) Israel should be interpreted symbolically and applied to the Church, rather than being interpreted literally and applied to Israel.

The Sticking Point: Messiah’s Millennial Monarchy

Evangelicals have been busy for years trying to hammer out an understanding between premillennial dispensationalists and adherents of Reformed/Covenant Theology. Dispensationalists who have been actively pursuing this agenda (and making concessions to the opposing view) are known as “progressive dispensationalists.” The one point, however, that continues to be a fly in the ointment of reconciliation is the Millennial Kingdom. Even Covenant theologians who allow for an end-time mass conversion of the Jewish people still have difficulty accepting Israel’s role in a future, literal Kingdom on the Earth. This shows just how diverse amillennialism and premillennialism are and how difficult it is to bridge the gap between them without seriously compromising one or the other.

Why Is This Error Dangerous?

Is Replacement Theology really worth arguing about? Or is this discussion much ado about nothing? One reason it’s important to call attention to questionable theology, no matter how deeply entrenched it may be in traditional Christianity is that sooner or later, bad theology always leads to bad practice - and in this case, it already has! Replacement Theology has provided the basis for all sorts of mischief, persecution, and atrocities against the Jewish people throughout Christian history.

For example, Martin Luther, the father of the Protestant Reformation, was a supersessionist. Near the end of his life, he said that synagogues and Jewish schools should be burned to the ground, Jewish people run out of their homes, their prayer books and Talmudic writings burned, and the rabbis forbidden to preach or teach on penalty of death (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], pp. 268-271). Luther also declared that Jewish people in Germany should be confined to their own homes and neighborhoods - a plan the Nazis implemented literally when they quarantined Jewish families in ghettos in Poland and other places before shipping them to the death camps for extermination. One historian writes: It is difficult to understand the behavior of most German Protestants in the first Nazi years unless one is aware of two things: their history and the influence of Martin Luther. The great founder of Protestantism was both a passionate anti-Semite and a ferocious believer in absolute obedience to political authority. He wanted Germany rid of the Jews. Luther’s advice was literally followed four centuries later by Hitler, Goering, and Himmler (William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich [New York: Simon & Shuster, 1960], p. 236).

No one is suggesting that anyone who believes in Replacement Theology is an anti-Semite or would agree with Luther’s statements. That would be an unfair characterization - and it certainly is not the case. It is important, nevertheless, to examine the implications and ramifications of any position, including Replacement Theology: and it is an incontestable fact that ideas similar to those of Replacement Theology have inspired some horrible atrocities against the Jewish people.

We’re Making Progress!

As we observed earlier, the term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new, and is generally avoided by adherents of supersessionism. As far as they are concerned, they’re simply espousing traditional theology - and in a sense, they are! Supersessionist ideas have been widely accepted in mainstream Christianity since the third century or so, as mainstream Christianity was gradually losing its original Jewish character. The Gentile powers-that-be in early institutional (Eastern and Western) Christianity wanted to distance themselves from Christianity’s Jewish origins. And they did!

The good new is that slowly but surely we’re making progress in our battle against Replacement Theology. Everywhere we go, all over the world, (even Arab countries!), we find believers who acknowledge Israel’s unique and ongoing place in God’s plan of the ages, and who are anxiously awaiting that Golden Age when, for the first time, “they shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the Earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea” (Isa. 11:9).

Most Baptists today are premillennial (except for the most liberal Baptist denominations), as are many Bible churches, particularly those associated with IFCA (Independent Fundamental Churches of America) International and similar groups of independent churches. There are even premillennial Presbyterians! Our ranks are growing with every day that passes. Much of the opposition comes from the more liberal, mainline denominations and their seminaries. And it’s not merely coincidental that these are the same churches and institutions that are aligned with the anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian World and National Councils of Churches.

If you’d like to know if your church leaders believe in Replacement Theology, ask them! If they are not familiar with the term, be patient because it’s entirely possible that they have never heard it before, even if they attended seminary. Also, it’s not likely that they’ve ever knowingly aligned themselves with any view that’s anti-Semitic, anti-Judaic or anti-Israel. This may all be new to them! Ask them, very humbly and sincerely, if they believe that God rejected Israel when Israel rejected His Son in the first century and that as a result, He has no future plan or purpose for the Jewish nation. They may reply that yes, of course, Jewish people can be saved and join the Church - and to them, that means God has a plan for the Jewish people. However, that’s not what we’re asking. We want to know if they believe that God is no longer dealing with the Jewish nation - and don’t be surprised if the answer, ultimately, is in the affirmative. After all, as we saw earlier, this has been the predominant view of mainstream Christianity for centuries - roughly since the time of Augustine, in fact. Sadly, this view has become normative in much of the Church, including many denominations and their seminaries.

Let’s not be afraid to challenge theological tradition when it’s wrong. It’s our responsibility to proclaim and defend the premillennial hope of the Church - and the nation of Israel - in these days of widespread error and apostasy. We should encourage our premillennial Bible colleges and seminaries to take a stand on Replacement Theology and challenge them to produce graduates who are knowledgeable about the historical and theological issues Replacement Theology encompasses. There’s a lot we can do, and we should be doing all we can!



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Post  MoMo on Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:49 am

true lilly wrote: and you can only attack me with lies
because you only speak bull shit
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What lies are those lilly? State them.That I refute your bullshit that australia is the Biblical Promised land?

The truth is Israel is the Biblical Promised Land.

That I refute your demonic Doctrine of Church replacement Theology, your Bogus Claim that Spiritual Israel has replaced the Jews and the Land of Israel?

The Truth is YHWHs Covenant with the Jews and Israel is Eternal. He does not break His promises. He is not a twofaced liar.

I Posted the two overarching concepts of the Bible, Tzelem Elokim and Tikkun Olam and inquired if you comprehended them.

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From this discussion, we may conclude that the Temple and the Tabernacle also contain something of the image and symbolism of the Garden of Eden. Although this conclusion requires further research, of particular interest to us here, is the fact that the gems in the Garden of Eden (18:28) appear on the breastplate of the High Priest. Even if this should be purely coincidental, the Temple was the place of life and ritual purity, and ritual purity means the triumph over ritual impurity, which represents death. Another interesting parallel is that both in the Temple and the Garden of Eden the cherubim protect the treasure. In the Garden of Eden they protect the Tree of Life, while in the Tabernacle they protect the stone tablets, the Torah itself. According to this parallel, the Torah is indeed the Tree of Life.......................47e: Scriptural Sources of the World to Come, part 5


The Tree Of Life


The Hebrew verb for living, "chai," actually refers to the continuation of life rather than to the state of being alive. This is the source for the evolution of the verb to mean recovery from illness, etc. The fate of this verb was similar to the fate of many Hebrew words, which we have difficulty understanding accurately since we have become accustomed to European verb forms, which are much more static than Hebrew verbs. A good example is the verb "haya" [to be]. In Hebrew this verb means "to become" or "to evolve" rather than "to exist." We find the use of the verb "chai" in the sense of continuing to exist in Samuel Book 2,12: "may God grant me my desire and the child shall live," as well as in Exodus: "for no man shall see Me and live" [33:20]. This is the case in other places as well [Bamidbar 21:8,9, Deuteronomy 4:42, 21, 19:4,5, Jeremiah 21:9, 38:2, and many others). This meaning of the verb also takes the form of a commandment: "and your brother shall live [chai] with you" (Leviticus 25:36). Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden lest they eat from the Tree of Life "and live [chai] forever" (Genesis 3:22). The Tree of Life was inside the Garden, and it had the power to grant immortality. When Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge, they were banished from the Garden of Eden, thus ensuring that they will not begin or continue to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever.

Now that the entry to the Garden is barred, is there any way to achieve eternal life? The Scriptures teach us that there is. The phrase "eternal life" appears a number of times in the Scriptures. It appears in its most marked form in Daniel's prophecy regarding the resurrection of the dead: "and many of the sleepers in the earth of dust will awaken, some to eternal life and some to shame and degradation" [Daniel 12]. However, in quite a number of places this phrase refers to the Torah and its wisdom. According to King Solomon, wisdom is the way of life and the source of life [Proverbs 2:19, 6:13, 13:14]. Does the word life here refer to eternal life?

It is certain that at some point this interpretation was accepted, for it is found in the Apocrypha and in the writings of the Sages. Do the Scriptures themselves imply this connotation? It seems so, and at least one verse from the Psalms proves it: [Psalms 133] "for there God commanded the blessing of eternal life." The psalm looks for the meaning of the blessing of life in the Torah, and finds it in the promise of eternal life. This type of explanation permits a different understanding of many verses. The wisdom of the Torah is "a tree of life for those who cling to it" [Proverbs 3]. The Torah has become a way of life, and it is the lost Tree of Life. Perhaps this is the meaning of other phrases in the Scriptures, such as "the fruit of the righteous is the tree of life" [Proverbs 11]. The phrase "way of life" (Orach Chayim) also appears once in an unequivocal reference to eternal life [Psalms 16-11]:

"Therefore my heart shall rejoice and my honor be glad
my flesh will also dwell in safety...
for You will not forsake my soul to She'ol
You will not permit your disciple to see destruction
You will teach me the way of life...
pleasantness is forever at Your right [side]."

Similarly in Proverbs, [15:24]: "[adopt] a way of life above to avoid She'ol below." And more explicitly: "through the way of charity is life and a charted path [leads to] immortality" [ibid., 12].

These explanations shed light on the final verses of the Torah. The Torah ends with almost the same words as found in the beginning: "see I have placed before you life and goodness and death and evil" [Deuteronomy 30]. The two trees appear before us once again. The preceding verses seem to refer to a search for the elixir of life: "it is not in the heavens...nor is it across the sea" [ibid. 12,13]. Particularly interesting is the phrase "it is not in the heavens." The Torah did actually come down from the heavens, from the mountain of God, which Moses ascended, and that Torah holds within it the key to immortality.

In the Garden of Eden there was no choice between good and evil. Evil was originally unknown to man. This is the obvious meaning of Adam and Eve's partaking of the Tree of Knowledge and its aftermath. After eating from the tree Man became aware of evil. Thus arose a problem which had never before existed, the need to choose between good and evil. As one of the great leaders of the Mussar movement, the "Saba" of Novardok, said, one might say that in the Garden of Eden man was faced with the choice of having a choice. With the banishment from the Garden of Eden, good and evil became intertwined; it was as though the fruit of the tree suddenly mixed together, and Man must now choose his fruit with care. Indeed, the fruit of the Tree of Life became intermixed as well. From now on there is no more Tree of Life; there is a tree of Life and Death together: "if [one] merits, it becomes his potion of life, and if [one] does not merit, it becomes his potion of death" [Tractate Megilla 18, Shabbat 88 and elsewhere]. The Torah teaches Man the commandments, the way of life, the way of the Tree of Life. The Torah is actually the Tree of Life itself, and the symbol of the covenant is the Tablets which are guarded by the Cherubim, who likewise guarded the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden. In the Temple we construct a halakhic Garden of Eden. The commandments, which are connected to holiness, ritual purity and impurity, transform the Temple into the symbol of the Garden of Eden, and thus into the place where the Divine Presence dwells among the Jewish people. The Temple is the place of life and of holiness, within which there can be no death.

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#53 – How to detect bullshit

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Time & Pressure
A good thought holds together. Its solid conceptual mass maintains its shape no matter how much you poke, probe, test and examine. But BS is all surface. Like a magician’s bouquet of flowers, it’s pretty as it flashes past your eyes, but its absence of integrity become obvious when you hold it in your hands. Anyone creating BS knows this, and will tend towards urgency. They’ll resist reviews, breaks, consultations or the suggestion of sleeping on decisions before they’re made.

Use time & pressure, the third tool of BS detection, in your favor: never allow big decisions to be mismanaged to the point where they must be made urgently. Ask to withhold judgment for a day, and watch the response. Invite people with expertise you need but don’t have to participate in decisions to add intellectual and domain pressure (Hiring them if necessary. The $500 you pay a lawyer, accountant or consultant to review something effectively becomes a well spent BS insurance fee).

Be a leader in creating an environment unpleasant for BS. If everyone knows the gauntlet of friendly, but rigorous, intellectual curiosity claims must run through, BS will be discouraged while still in the minds of the tempted.

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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  true lilly on Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:40 am

HACK AWAY...
I'll see your spam, and raise it, with Good Food... Wink Very Happy

true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey True Lilly,
you
should,without spam,write up the definitive account,of what happened,in
your words,as you and Tintin,became friends,then had a fall-out
and
now,you've learnt of Tintins' international power and intrigue...all in
one story,that can be broken down into parts.Not all at once.
Yeah,just a thought....


What makes 'you' think 'you' 'should' 'tell' me, what I 'should' do?

"Bullshit, any Bullshit can't take pressure. "

...which is why the bullshitters keep snipping, threatening, attacking,
then running away and hiding, from one little woman who honestly lives
in faith of the faithfulness of The Creator of Life.

Bullshitters like you, too gutless to personally quiz me,
(a person you know to be real, and really who I've shown
myself to be), as the person you are, in this real world,
or even as a fake person over another's phone. Rolling Eyes


And the real you, does know full well, just how much pressure,
I continue to live under, while maintaining the strength to take joy
in 'the little things', of True Value.

But here's something good that came of 'tintin's' betrayal of my hospitality
and offer of friendship; he showed the world that those who aim to betray
one who offers faithful friendship, only end up betraying themselves, and
some may choose to learn from that and repent of the evils they plot, before,
it's too late.


PROVERBS 6: 1 to 5

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=6&v=1&t=KJV#top

As I've explained, I offered 'tintin' a life line
with which to pull himself from the demons that
torment him in this life, and a fate worse than,
the first 'death' (into 'the big sleep'), by showing him
the real blessings (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
of those who don't deny, The Holy Spirit of Truth,
but he is still, choosing to turn it into his own noose.

As are all who still knowingly, willingly, choose to fight God.

PSALMS 78
1 Do give ear, O my people, to my law;
Incline YOUR ear to the sayings of my mouth.

2 In a proverbial saying I will open my mouth;
I will cause riddles of long ago to bubble forth,

3 Which we have heard and know,
And which our own fathers have related to us;

4 Which we do not hide from their sons,
Relating [them] even to the generation to come,
The praises of Jehovah and his strength
And his wonderful things that he has done.

5 And he proceeded to raise up a reminder in Jacob,
And a law he set in Israel,
Things that he commanded our forefathers,
To make them known to their sons;

6 In order that the generation to come,
the sons that were to be born, might know [them],
That they might rise up and relate [them] to their sons,

7 And that they might set their confidence in God himself
And not forget the practices of God but observe his own commandments.

8 And they should not become like their forefathers,
A generation stubborn and rebellious,
A generation who had not prepared their heart
And whose spirit was not trustworthy with God.

...oh DO, read on; contemplate the full meanings
of each blessing word, and take it to heart:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=78&v=1&t=KJV#top

Bless God. Bless The King. Bless all seeking to be faithful,
with The Holy Spirit's power to do so.
Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:Israel Was Mentioned In The Book Of Genesis....

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,
because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.” Genesis 32

Genesis 32
Jacob Prepares to Meet Esau

1 [a]Jacob also went on his way, and the angels of God met him.
2 When Jacob saw them, he said, “This is the camp of God!” So he named that place Mahanaim.[b]

3 Jacob sent messengers ahead of him to his brother Esau in the land of Seir, the country of Edom.
4 He instructed them: “This is what you are to say to my lord Esau:
‘Your servant Jacob says, I have been staying with Laban and have
remained there till now.
5 I have cattle and donkeys, sheep and goats, male and female servants.
Now I am sending this message to my lord, that I may find favor in your eyes.’”

6 When the messengers returned to Jacob, they said, “We went to your
brother Esau, and now he is coming to meet you, and four hundred men are
with him.”

7 In great fear and distress Jacob divided the
people who were with him into two groups, and the flocks and herds and
camels as well.
8 He thought, “If Esau comes and attacks one group, the group that is left may escape.”

9 Then Jacob prayed, “O God of my father Abraham, God of my father
Isaac, LORD, you who said to me, ‘Go back to your country and your
relatives, and I will make you prosper,’
10 I am unworthy of all the kindness and faithfulness you have shown your servant.
I had only my staff when I crossed this Jordan, but now I have become two camps.
11
Save me, I pray, from the hand of my brother Esau, for I am afraid he
will come and attack me, and also the mothers with their children.
12
But you have said, ‘I will surely make you prosper and will make your
descendants like the sand of the sea, which cannot be counted.’”

13 He spent the night there, and from what he had with him he selected a gift for his brother Esau:
14 two hundred female goats and twenty male goats, two hundred ewes and twenty rams,
15 thirty female camels with their young, forty cows and ten bulls, and twenty female donkeys and ten male donkeys.
16 He put them in the care of his servants, each herd by itself, and
said to his servants, “Go ahead of me, and keep some space between the
herds.”

17 He instructed the one in the lead: “When my brother
Esau meets you and asks, ‘Who do you belong to, and where are you going,
and who owns all these animals in front of you?’
18 then you are to say, ‘They belong to your servant Jacob.
They are a gift sent to my lord Esau, and he is coming behind us.’”

19 He also instructed the second, the third and all the others who
followed the herds: “You are to say the same thing to Esau when you meet
him.
20 And be sure to say, ‘Your servant Jacob is coming behind
us.’” For he thought, “I will pacify him with these gifts I am sending
on ahead; later, when I see him, perhaps he will receive me.”
21 So Jacob’s gifts went on ahead of him, but he himself spent the night in the camp.
Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female
servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok.
23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions.
24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.
25
When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket
of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the
man.
26 Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.”

But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”

27 The man asked him, “What is your name?”

“Jacob,” he answered.

28 Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel,
because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”


29 Jacob said, “Please tell me your name.”

But he replied, “Why do you ask my name?” Then he blessed him there.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.”

31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip.
32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached
to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched
near the tendon.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+32&version=NIV

What Is Interesting In This,

Is That Jacob Became Lamed...


The Conquest of Jerusalem [1 Chron 11:4-9]

6 And the king and his men went to Jerusalem against the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land, who
spoke to David, saying, "You shall not come in here; but the blind and the lame will repel you,"
thinking, "David cannot come in here."
7 Nevertheless David took the stronghold of Zion (that is,
the City of David).
8 Now David said on that day, "Whoever climbs up by way of the water shaft and defeats the
Jebusites (the lame and the blind, who are hated by David's soul), he shall be chief and captain."
Therefore they say, "The blind and the lame shall not come into the house."

To Be Damadged In The Hip Was A Sign Of Messiahship...!!!



...mmm...what IS interesting is 'your' 'biblical' 'quote'...
somewhat, VERY different (and so, VERY confused), from
what is written and MEANT in Holy Scripture...


1 Chronicles - Chapter 11
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Ch&c=11&v=1&t=KJV#top

...mmm...and interesting to, how scars from youth, become bigger with age...

The once tiny scars, from the then, revolutionary, 'Key Hole' surgery
that fixed my dislocated hips
(and turned around my 5% chance of
ever walking at all, to one who could walk, and 'dance up a storm' by 6),
I noticed in the bath, just yesterday morning, are now, quite noticeable.

As is the scar on my 'wedding ring' finger, that I got at age 6, the same day
I won my first debate on what God asks of us; to discover decades later,
that it was Holy Scripture (I didn't know at the time), I had para-phrased.

...and, the scar on my 'wedding' ring finger, that only 'fitted' on the day we bought it,
and that I kept losing and finding, until losing it forever, when finally, I was
left in no doubt, that it wasn't only my husband who hated me, for loving God,
more than worldly things...a scar in the shape of an ancient letter, that in this age,
is commonly, pronounced as "J".

But no, it's not me
with the Messiah DELUSION...
buried under pages of 'el kabong'/'Billy Ruben' spam,
is an actual quote...of just one of 'tintin's' MANY statements that
HE BELIEVES HIMSELF TO BE 'The christ'...but NOT, THE PERFECT,
RESURRECTED SON of The Creator of Life...
...

...mind you, JACOB WAS, A BREEDER of CHAMPIONS...
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Post  true lilly on Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:06 am

I just discovered these recently,
when looking up some neighbours history:
Christadelphians; "Brethren in Christ"

Due to the way the Christadelphian body is organised there is no central
authority to establish and maintain a standardised set of beliefs and
it depends what Statement of Faith is adhered to and how liberal the
ecclesia is, but there are core doctrines most Christadelphians would
accept.

They believe that God is the creator of all things and the father of true believers,[80]
that he is a separate being from his son, Jesus Christ,[81][82] and that
the Holy Spirit is the power of God used in creation and for salvation.[83]

Even with most source writings of those later considered "heretics"
destroyed, evidence can be provided that since the 1st century CE there
have been various groups and individuals who have held certain
individual Christadelphian beliefs or similar ones.

For example:
Modern mainstream theology developing similar beliefs

Over the last 100 years mainstream Christian theologians and Biblical
scholars have gradually been developing beliefs which the
Christadelphian community has historically held.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christadelphians


....so, the more modern science discovers, the more mankind sees that The Creator God,
described it all, from the beginning.

No
'mystery', no secreted secrets for a privileged few. Want to know God?
Study what His Word actually says, and the whole of creation He created,
and See The Saving Truth.

And no, that doesn't mean one must be
an expert in everything, but it does show why God calls some to be
geologists, others, documentary makers, others, rocket scientists,
others, breeders, others, psalmists, and so on; sowing the good seeds,
dropping words, and generally keeping us in remembrance of God's Living
Word.

Like when I first saw, XX=woman & XY=man, and thought, the man has a missing 'rib',
and
well, countless other discoveries of modern science that sang some,
once, enigmatic song, the 'lyrics' of which I first found in Holy
Scripture.

And here we are, in the age when 'knowledge' is everywhere,
freely available at the tapping of our fingertips, but we use it acquire
the stuff and things of personal desires, while we shun the wisdom it offers, as 'uncool'.


Oh and 'el kabong', do you reject the Jew who warned us of, "'the Jews', who are not Jews"?
I don't.


REVELATIONS 3:
7
“And to the angel of the congregation in Philadelphia write:

These are the things he says who is holy, who is true,
who has the key of David, who opens so that no one will shut,
and shuts so that no one opens,

8
‘I know your deeds—look! I have set before you an opened door,

which no one can shut—that you have a little power,
and you kept my word and did not prove false to my name.

9
Look! I will give those from the synagogue of Satan
who say they are Jews, and yet they are not but are lying—look!
I will make them come and do obeisance before your feet and
make them know I have loved you.

10
Because you kept the word about my endurance,
I will also keep you from the hour of test,
which is to come upon the whole inhabited earth,
to put a test upon those dwelling on the earth.

11
I am coming quickly. Keep on holding fast what you have,
that no one may take your crown.

12
“‘The one that conquers—
I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God,
and he will
by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him
the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem
which descends out of heaven from my God,
and that new name of mine.

13
Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’
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Post  MoMo on Tue Aug 02, 2011 11:34 am

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Post  true lilly on Fri Aug 05, 2011 7:16 am

Altan Urag - Davalgaa ijii Mongol


Play video
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LISTEN, it starts 'Irish'...ON A, ??WOODEN CHINESE ANCIENT KEYBOARD??,
THE
MONGOLIAN HORSE HEAD FIDDLE... through EVERY KEY PEOPLES MUSIC,
ENDS with a
boxless, flat hand struck 'piano', modern drum kit, 'Scottish'
'BAG-'trumpet'.!!! ...AND... it's BEAUTIFUL and IT'S AUTHENTIC
ANCIENT/MODERN/FOLK/ROCK MONGOL!!!!... YEAY!... LISTEN, WATCH, all of
them, I can't.... Tim broke my sound...ggrrrr...
but this, is "MY"
Music Very Happy , all the best of all my favourite, together again,
with the
original source, of all the best musicians!!! ...oh, and a really cool clip
Wink Very Happy
...and, you just have to dance!!! Very Happy Wink Very Happy...

...amazing what you find ...

within some links Wink Very Happy ...
I'm :Dly grateful....
Smile

http://youtu.be/0SQ9bp09s_w
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Post  MoMo on Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:35 am

I spam lilly cuz the Ho won't slap herself.

thumbs up



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOgFw0nN7o4

Yo lilly, Queen of Bullshit from Runt Australia, come over here and bend over my desk, I want you to meet ol' mister one eye. thumbs up
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Post  true lilly on Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:47 pm

MAKING and PROVING a case,
WITH MUCH, GATHERED, INDISPUTABLE Evidence
FROM BOTH SIDES, is NOT "spamming".


...that's what all 'your' cats, porn and
'you must believe only the torah' BS, IS!
Rolling Eyes
and so, DAVID ICKE SITE DOWN...AGAIN...BECAUSE...
true lilly wrote:Always happens when 'THEY' SHOW THEIR HAND TOO EARLY
... Little Emergency, 'HOW THE flippin' heck DO WE FIX THIS!',
'DIScusions' have to be had. Tintin was too quick to PUBLICLY POST that
his thread "IS GOD'S/GODS' WORD", The NEW WORLD BIBLE...and so, IT IS,
The NEW SPANISH CATHOLIC INQUISITION for All who Don't Bow to HIS god of
LEGIONS of DEMONS.
rodin wrote:Brevik has had a job done on his nose. This stinks of the Loughner guy who had a sikut in his back yard
PS
Anyone here think Giffords was really shot in the head? I have a bridge to sell you currently safe from burning London
Rolling Eyes
THE First WAR:
The Creator Father's children TURNED ON HIM.
GOD WON.

THE First MURDER:
BROTHER Cain MURDERS BROTHER Able.

ISAAC & ISHMAEL, JACOB & ESAU, and so on and on;
ALL THE OLDEST and WORST WARS,
WERE and ARE, BETWEEN FAMILIES,
SEPARATED BY SPIRIT, NOT BLOOD!

Hence the UN-believable
CRAP 'work' 'of' 'DAN BROWN'
and The ICKEST RELIGION et al
(yep, that means 'you' to 'rodin'),
being SHOVED DOWN THE WORLD'S THROAT,
PROMOTED and PROTECTED by a LEGION of
DEATH WORSHIPERS, in 'their' last ditch,
DOOMED TO FAIL, DESPERATE EFFORT
to try to deceive, even, The Very Elect,
with all that "bloodline" BULLSHIT!


And part of why this Genuine Expert,
Breeder of Champions, is so heavily
attacked and silenced by 'them'...
I PROVED GOD'S TRUTH
(with what I produced),
by NOT DENYING HIS LIVING WORD
,
and GIVING HIM ALL CREDIT FOR
those Genuine World Record Champions.

true lilly wrote:MAKING and PROVING a case,
WITH MUCH, GATHERED, INDISPUTABLE Evidence
FROM BOTH SIDES, is NOT "spamming".

...that's what all 'your' cats, porn and
'you must believe only the torah' BS, IS!
Rolling Eyes
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:At least 4 confirmed dead now, and another fighting for life...
...and it's the ICKESTS who have preached up this MURDEROUS
MENTALity ...teaching kids to hate the wealthy...while the ICKESTS,
such as 'star poster' "tintin" are swimming in dosh, flying around the world,
enjoying their 5 star lifestyles...telling you to hate and envy those who
actually work for a living...so what, I warned of this and worse years ago...
didn't listen then, won't now...
Birmingham riots:
three men killed 'protecting homes'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8693095/Birmingham-riots-three-men-killed-protecting-homes.html
A murder investigation has been launched
after three people were killed
“doing the job of the police” during widespread rioting.
true lilly wrote:
Sod-Haus...!!! wrote: She Wants Crisps... From Poundland...!!!


Clearly Not The Brains Of The Operation..!!!
That's it, keep ducking and weaving, "THE" Questions
that people NEED TO UNDERSTAND "THE" Answer to...
...at least all the frantic movement may catch the attention
of someone smart enough to realize that;
no one ducks and weaves THAT MUCH for no purpose.


Hey, not my fault people chose to ignore my warning posts
of the actual meaning behind
THE HUGE BOMB ATTACK AGAINST ENGLAND IN CYPRUS
,
and
The TWO "DOWNED" RADIO TOWERS IN THE NETHERLANDS
that followed...
...too busy spamming porn and other evils in my warning threads.


Oh well, "LET THE FILTHY, BE FILTHY STILL..."


So, anyone else bother to figure out WHY
that MEGA FAN of FOOTBALL(SOCCER), "tintin"
who posted endless pages of the
SECRET CODE SPEAK of that 'game', has
NOW ALSO MANAGED TO AVOID posting on

THIS GLOBALLY EXPLOSIVE FOOTBALL NEWS
and
WHAT IT REALLY MEANS?


England match cancelled after riots

8:51PM
Rob Woollard
ENGLAND'S soccer friendly
against the

Netherlands was cancelled
after a third day of rioting in London,
officials confirmed.

England match cancelled after London riots
Rob Woollard
From:Herald Sun
August 09, 2011 8:51PM

Wayne
Rooney said: "These riots are nuts. why would people do this to their
own country. Own city. This is embarrassing for our country. Stop
please."
Picture: AP

ENGLAND'S soccer friendly against the Netherlands was cancelled after a third day of rioting in London, officials confirmed.

A one-line statement from the Football Association confirmed the
news
which followed a meeting between FA officials and police early on
Tuesday concerning security arrangements
for Wednesday's match at
Wembley.

"It is with regret that tomorrow's international fixture
with Holland at Wembley (Wednesday 10 August) has been called-off,"
an
FA statement said, adding that more details would follow later.

The unprecedented decision followed the earlier postponement of League Cup
matches involving West Ham, Charlton and Crystal Palace after police
advice.


England's players were to take part in a training session on Tuesday before returning to their clubs, reports said.

Related Coverage

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A new generation of anarchy rules The Daily Telegraph, 18 minutes ago
10,000 police on streets as Britain burns The Australian, 18 minutes ago
PM vows to end 'sickening' riots Herald Sun, 18 minutes ago
Live - London smoulders after riots Herald Sun, 22 minutes ago
Man dies amid London riot chaos The Daily Telegraph, 58 minutes ago

England star Rio Ferdinand responded to the announcement on micro-blogging site Twitter.

"England vs Holland game is off, good call. Who wants to see a game of football
when our country is in turmoil," Ferdinand wrote.

"The solution to this is not to just clean up the glass, it's to stop the glass
breaking in the first place," Ferdinand added in a separate post.

The Manchester United defender had earlier called for an end to the violence which has raged across Britain.

"The scenes on Sky news right now are shocking...what is this all in aid of??
Innocent peoples homes and livelihoods have gone up in smoke-why?"

Ferdinand said.

"It seems these kids/people have no fear or respect for the police....maybe the army will get that respect??

"And I am not saying bring violence, I am saying the presence of the army
may make these kids/people think twice about continuing this??"

Teammate Wayne Rooney added: "These riots are nuts why would people do this to
there (sic) own country. Own city. This is embarrassing for our country.
Stop please."

British Olympic officials, meanwhile, expressed confidence that London would be
able to host a trouble-free Summer Games next year despite the violence.

"We know the level of work and we know the level of planning that has gone into it,"
British Olympic Association director of communications Darryl Seibel told Sky Sports
News.

"This is not a reflection of London. This is a reflection of the world we live in today."

Police in Birmingham said violence which erupted in the city on Monday would
not impact on the third Test between England and India, due to get under
way at Edgbaston on Wednesday.

England star Kevin Pietersen described the violence in the city as "insane",
revealing that the team's city centre hotel doors had been locked as unrest flared
throughout Birmingham.

"They have just locked our hotel in Birmingham mate... Riots just started here.. Insane!!" Pietersen said in a Twitter message.

England bowler Tim Bresnan added: "Just seen the rioters in Birmingham fleeing
down the main street followed by a load of police in the full get up.
What's going on?"

Spinner Graeme Swann chimed in a message late on Monday:
"Goodnight England.
Good luck to those surrounded by the carnage. Be safe."
My original thread that 'they' spammed to death then
chopped up into many, with 'their' spam filling the lead pages,
and giving the often proven BS excuse that pages can't go
past 68 pages, is now, WAY PAST "68" pages, but still going so 'team them'
can keep spamming it with 'their' murderous propaganda,
and so also PROVING 'them' MONSTROUS LIARS


...so here's a bit more of what 'they' MUST KEEP BURIED and
ARE SCARED SHITLESS 'their' 'friends'=TARGETS, WILL WAKE UP TO...


And just to further make my case...
(something 'you mob' do so well for me here)
while some still have time to GET IT!


true lilly wrote:Long ago, I asked folk to ask themselves
(so they too, may see the truth of God's Word),
"WHERE IS THE GLOBAL POWER BASE SHIFTING TO?",
and I was banned for continuing to show, where, AND WHY.


See, unlike "tintin" and his ilk, I have nothing to do with
High Finance or picking and choosing figure heads, but,
I do care to study God's Word, and pay a little attention
to what is really going on, in this real world we occupy, as
God Advised Us, For Our Real Lives Sake.


[size=24]Nick Greiner appointed chairman of advisers
at Rothschild Australia


Rothschild Australia
(and 'you' simply won't allow,
THAT Headline, to show up big and bold.
Why, it's all in the public media,
freely available to anyone who can

pull their heads out of Team Tintin's arse
for two seconds Rolling Eyes )

Michael Bennet
From: The Australian
August 01, 2011 1:18PM

Nick Greiner, a former NSW Premier, is a top adviser at Rothschild.
Source: The Daily Telegraph

ROTHSCHILD has appointed former New South Wales Liberal Premier Nick
Greiner as chairman of its council of advisers at its Australian
business and a senior adviser globally.

The investment bank today said Mr Greiner, who was Premier and
Treasurer of NSW from 1988 to1992, would take up the roles effective
today.


Trevor Rowe, the executive chairman of Rothschild
Australia, said Mr Greiner’s public service and corporate board
experience would be of great value in providing insights to its clients.

Mr Greiner chairs a range of businesses and bodies, including Bradken,
Citigroup Australia and Infrastructure NSW. He is also deputy chairman
of CHAMP Private Equity.


Rothschild Australia recently advised SunRice on the failed takeover of
the group by Ebro Foods, Asahi on its bid for the whole of P&N Beverages,
which was blocked by the competition regulator, and the Queensland government
on its successful float of QR National.

Related Coverage

Spotlight on Rothschild's energy money The Australian, 10 Jun 2011
Slowdown puts brakes on rates The Australian, 31 May 2011
'Greiner role offered to Max the Axe' The Daily Telegraph, 6 May 2011
ALP scared off investors, says Greiner The Australian, 2 May 2011
Super could fund infrastructure The Australian, 2 May 2011

Asahi to pay $1.2b for Independent Liquor
Staff writer
From: AFP
August 08, 2011 12:00AM

JAPANESE beverage giant Asahi Group
reportedly has trumped rival Suntory
in the race to buy Independent Liquor.

Asahi will pay about $1.21 billion to buy the company, which is
headquartered in New Zealand, from private equity companies Pacific
Equity Partners and Unitas as it moves to expand in Asia and Oceania.


Asahi has been touted as a potential rival bidder for Melbourne-based
Foster's Group, which is the target of an informal $9.5 billion takeover
offer from Anglo-African beverage giant SABMiller. Asahi will announce
its biggest acquisition soon, Nikkei newspaper reported yesterday.


Japanese firms have sought to expand in foreign markets as domestic sales suffer
from slow consumption by the country's shrinking and ageing population.


Asahi already has a foothold in the Australian soft drinks market through its
Schweppes brand and last month agreed to buy P&N Beverages Australia.


Related Coverage
SABMiller waits on Foster's The Australian, 6 days ago
Greiner top Rothschild adviser The Australian, 7 days ago
Business as usual at Renmark plant Adelaide Now, 6 Jul 2011
Multi-million-dollar All Black FoxSports, 6 Jul 2011
World tucks into Aussie agriculture Herald Sun, 5 Jul 2011



Aussie stock market lifts after dive

Stephen McMahon and AAP

UPDATE 12.39pm:
THE Australian share market recovered
some of its early losses today as
investors regained some nerve.

China still our rock, say economists


HA! I was only going to post the headline
and introduction, but it GOT DELETED HERE
so I had to get the whole story. Rolling Eyes

Australians safe in China's hands amid tumble
Neil Wilson
From: Herald Sun
August 08, 2011 12:00AM

Rio Tinto chief executive Tom Albanese.

CHINA'S voracious appetite for Australian resources
is likely to continue despite the latest bout of
global economic volatility,
economists and business leaders say.

Rio Tinto chief Tom Albanese said yesterday while the debt crisis
engulfing major western economies had implications for the entire world,
China's economy would continue to grow rapidly.


And RMIT economics professor On Kit Tam said China's foreign investment program
meant there would be little impact on the Asian giant's demand for resources.


"I don't think this decline in the US rating
will have any immediate effect via China on to Australia," Prof Tam said.


"China is shielded by its foreign investment and capital controls."

China's news agency Xinhua said yesterday unless the US cut its
"gigantic military expenditure and bloated welfare costs", another ratings
downgrade would be inevitable.


Related Coverage
Roubini bullish on China The Australian, 20 Jul 2011
China slowdown a global risk The Australian, 18 Jul 2011
Forecasts put us at China's mercy The Australian, 11 May 2011
Consequences of China's boom start to get complicated The Australian, 1 Apr 2011
Hale warns as China is set to slide Adelaide Now, 28 Mar 2011



But Prof Tam said China had little option but to retain its $1.2 trillion holding
of US bonds as debt-ridden Europe did not provide a reliable alternative investment.


China is now buying a quarter of Australia's exports, while the US takes just 4 per cent.

Prof Tam said despite China's efforts to rein in its high inflation rate,
which clocked in at 6.4 per cent annualised in June, the economy would
still growth about 9 per cent this year.


Mr Albanese said based on his travels through China and knowledge of the economy,
he was convinced growth would not slip below 8 per cent next year.


He told the ABC's Inside Business program yesterday
the engine room of the Chinese economy was changing.

"It's shifting a bit from commercial and higher-end residential (property
construction) to probably what would be a more middle-class residential,
which we would see as a healthy sign," Mr Albanese said.


"What I see (is) that growth continues."
(lost count, is this the 5th or 6th time I've had to re-format this post?
Talk about petty, childish twerps, who think wasting someone's time,
somehow doesn't show them to be the born losers they are
Rolling Eyes)
No, this is NOT off topic. It is The Topic, that The CONspiracy Industry
has banned me all over the World Wide Web of DECEIVING Forums,
for
caring to freely share. I WARNED OF THIS, YEARS AGO,
and SHOWED and EXPLAINED how I came to know; simply by,
TAKING GOD'S WORD at HIS WORD!

The Clash: 'STRAIGHT TO HELL'
If you can play on the fiddle
How's about a British jig and reel?
Speaking King's English in quotation
As railhead towns feel the steel mills rust water froze
In the generation
Clear as winter ice
This is your paradise

There ain't no need for ya
Go straight to hell boys

Y'wanna join in a chorus
Of the Amerasian blues?
When it's Christmas out in Ho Chi Minh City
Kiddie say papa papa papa papa-san take me home
See me got photo photo
Photograph of you
Mamma Mamma Mamma-san
Of you and Mamma Mamma Mamma-san
Lemme tell ya 'bout your blood bamboo kid.
It ain't Coca-Cola it's rice.

Straight to hell
Oh Papa-san
Please take me home
Oh Papa-san
Everybody they wanna go home
So Mamma-san says

You wanna play mind-crazed banjo
On the druggy-drag ragtime U.S.A.?
In Parkland International
Hah! Junkiedom U.S.A.
Where procaine proves the purest rock man groove
and rat poison
The volatile Molatov says-

PSSST...
HEY CHICO WE GOT A MESSAGE FOR YA...
VAMOS VAMOS MUCHACHO
FROM ALPHABET CITY ALL THE WAY A TO Z, DEAD, HEAD

Go straight to hell

Can you really cough it up loud and strong
The immigrants
They wanna sing all night long
It could be anywhere
Most likely could be any frontier
Any hemisphere
No man's land and there ain't no asylum here
King Solomon he never lived round here

Go straight to hell boys



Oh and yes,
God also told us He would give us watchmen,
to witness and warn, those with hearing ears
Wink

Rolling Eyes ...HYPOCRITE ALERT!...
Billy Ruben wrote:Did you have to spam
True Lilly,can't you just talk,what would happen if we were lovers,are
you going to spam text dirty talk to me while we f*ck...can't you just say,"F*ck me in the shitter you goy bastard"...
Billy Ruben wrote:LOLZ

lol!
...Now WHEN will 'you' 'Billy' et al,
ANSWER ME; WHY NONE OF 'you'
PRETENDING to be on opposing sides,
EVER ATTACK 'each other', as 'you' ALL DO me,
THE ONLY, PROVEN, REAL LIVE,
NON-SECRET AGENDA PUSHER
on
CONspiracy Forums of
The World Wide WEB of DECEPTION
?

true lilly wrote:I see you can't stop talking about yourself...
Parasites POISON, WEAKEN and KILL THOSE THEY 'live' OFF...
e.g.
'your' Team 'mates' here:
rodin wrote:
el kabong wrote:
rodin wrote:Well that's a
relief, DIF is back up. I feared the worst since the FORUM direct button
on the main page redirected to it. I have books worth of research on
that site...

oops spoke too soon.
not to worry rodent, DIFtardia is a haven for NAZIs such as yourself. It was a mere Technical glitch and we have it sorted.
NAZI is product placement
gotta keep pushing that tired old bit of string...
meanwhile in the free speech zone
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=179187

"... in the free speech zone"
...ahh, another time, ya gotta laugh...
...and this, is funny...

"It was a mere Technical glitch and we have it sorted."

Not, 'maintenance' this time, an actual 'glitch', and 'sorted'...
...now why is it I hear, "POLITICS 101"...


Well at least 'el kabong'=the obsessive attacker of,
"The, Icke=tintin, 'Thorn'" Wink , with
"YOU MUST ONLY BELIEVE THE TORAH!", BS,

admits a little of why he must do the,
"free speech zone" version of,
NAZI/tintin's silencing of 'The Thorn', here,
which along with, chatting so politely, with
'blame everything on the jews', 'rodin'
and NOT SPAMMING 'HIS' Wink thread with pages of ,
"YOU MUST ONLY BELIEVE THE TORAH!", BS,

clearly makes a Key Point of the case I present, for me.


BTW, at least I gave folk clear warning, years ago
of the very shit happening in England, now,

such as explaining why people were being encouraged
to kill themselves trying to squeeze into already
way over populated northern cities like London...

while 'you mob' screamed, "DON'T LISTEN TO HER!"

Gee, I wonder how many English Londoners
HATE YOU MOB now, that they realize I gave them
enough warning time to legally migrate to O'Zion,
while the "Ciggy's, Wonder Woman's, ownoiz's etc."
of WEB/NET CON Forum land, cruelly 'advised' folk
to move to every dangerous, bankrupt, unstable,
hot spot in the world, except O'Zion
...While working
FOR The Nazi/Dutch/'KING of The NORTH' who still
want to TAKE IT ALL FROM US, FOR THEMSELVES.


Oh sure, we will have our needed, bothersome corrections, to,
but we are also doing good things, like setting up a Universal
Disability Insurance Scheme (the 'SNOWY RIVER SCHEME' of
PUBLIC HEALTH, Bigger than the NBN),
an awful lot like what
I hammered for years ago, when working in that field.
Wink

Remember, it's all the twittering (ANTI)'social' NET 'workers'
who have been suckered into MURDERING INNOCENT DEFENDERS
of THEIR INNOCENT NEIGHBOURS
in these (INSANE ICKEST
RELIGION PUSHERS
of), England's 'Riots'(=UN'civil' WARS).

And it is the INSANE ICKEST RELIGION PUSHERS who have made me,
'THEIR' MOST BANNED FROM FREELY SPEAKING, LITERALLY BASHED
and CAR BOMBED, ENEMY...
...who 'somehow'=BY THE GRACE of GOD, is still kicking.
Very Happy

And no 'Billy', remember, I don't 'make connections', but know,
what I know, through my faith in The Creator and His Promise
of Revealing to His faithful, what they need to know, when they
need to know it. Which is why 'you mob' must invent so many
slanderous tales about who I am, lest others Hear and Receive
The Message of God's Saving Grace,
that I am simply a real,
live human individual, example of being blessed by, through
not denying, and publicly sharing, That, Very Best News, Ever.

The Truth, does indeed, set you free,
and The Truth Is With The One Who Can't Lie,
The Creator of Life,
Who Described The Whole World, All The Earth
and All Peoples, From The Beginning.
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


...and as GOD is the only truly effective Ridder of Parasites,
I trust Him to His work.
Wink Smile Razz
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Post  true lilly on Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:49 pm

Surely by now, they would have noticed David Icke's Official Forum is
flooded with threads CHEERING ON and CALLING FOR MORE RIOTS.

"Confirmation CODE", my  ,
it's a 'TAG TO WATCH CODE' Suspect Twisted Evil !


Too easy to tell. Nothing to do with 'BOT/SPAM' 'control'
when this site WELCOMES and ADVERTIZES BOTS and
SICK, TWISTED PORN, SPAM,
"YOU MUST ONLY BELIEVE THE TORAH!", SPAM
 and 'CAT', SPAM...
but, when I start to write A NEW POST,
LIKE, "The ZARA post", below...
that TOPPED The Record for,
The Most HOT, LIVE HACKING
As I Was Writing It...

but 'you' keep removing from my,
"reason for editing"...
suddenly, up pops 'THAT' "confirmation" CODE
Rolling Eyes

Friday July 22,2011
UK NEWS

BRITAIN ‘MUST TAKE MORE MIGRANTS’


Eurocrats are demanding
that Britain welcomes more immigrants

Cecilia Malmstrom says
immigration
and visa-free travel
are essential
to boost economic fortune

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/260379/260379

Thursday August 11,2011
UK NEWS

RETAILERS ARE COUNTING THE
£392MILLION COST


Across England could cost retailers
an astonishing £392million,
new figures show

Chris Simpson of Kelkoo said:
UK retailers are sadly
going to feel the fallout

of this week’s riots
for several months.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/264272/Retailers-are-counting-the-392million-cost

...and I'll go 'he' if this bloke,
(who's, 'don't be yucky to dogs' story,
TOPS THIS LIST of UK NEWS), doesn't
LOOK LIKE and GIVE OFF The STENCH
of David Icke...


MORE UK NEWS

Trainer gave his dog Viagra to win races

A CROOKED greyhound trainer who used drugs
to fix races has been banned from kee...
Read More

Have Your Say(0)


Student mugged by yobs who ‘helped’ him has op

AN injured student robbed by looters
as they pretended to come to his aid unde...
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Have Your Say(0)

Don't think this related?

I know it is.

I Posted to WATCH for it, years ago.


UK NEWS
Monday August 8,2011

ZARA PHILLIPS' TEARFUL
GOODBYE
TO TRUSTY TOYTOWN


Zara and Toytown go for gold at World
Equestrian Games in 2006

By Sarah Cox


THEY have shared more than a decade
of highs and lows in the world of showjumping.

But now Zara Phillips has bid farewell to Toytown.

After 12 years together, the chestnut gelding
described by Zara as “the horse of a lifetime”
formally ­retired in an ­emotional ceremony
yesterday.


She said: “I think it will be quite difficult. It’s the end of an era.
He was the horse of a lifetime for me. We grew up ­together.
Zara, 30, paraded her ­beloved horse around the arena
at ­Gatcombe’s Festival of British Eventing for the last time ­
yesterday afternoon.


The pair shared success when they were crowned World
Eventing champions five years ago and took home gold ­and
silver medals at the 2006 World Equestrian Games,
but they never made it to the Olympics despite several
attempts.


A leg injury forced Toytown out of the running
for the 2004 Athens Olympics
and an injury during final preparations
for the 2008 Beijing Olympics forced
the pair to give up their place in the British team.


The royal newlywed has postponed her honeymoon
with husband Mike Tindall,
32, and is reportedly busy ­looking at “two or three”
new
­horses, one of which she hopes
will take to the ­podium

at the London ­Olympics in 2012.
She has said: “I have had my horse of a lifetime.
The horses I have had since then have been in a massive shadow.”


Toytown,
who was bought for Zara by her father Captain Mark Philips,
will now live at her motherPrincess Anne’s
estate
at Gatcombe Park,
Gloucestershire.


Zara coming to Australia
...the $11 billion empire
is finally making its way to Australia.

13 Apr 2011
15 Jul 2010
3 Sep 2007

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=ZARA+comes+to+Australia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Yeah, I know, it's a different "ZARA",
so what, it's a different "TOY TOWN",
but The News Behind The News
In Both News Stories,
calls out the same message, to hearing ears.
Wink

true lilly wrote:Proverbs 3:

My son 1121, forget 7911 not my law 8451;
but let thine heart 3820 keep 5341 my commandments 4687:

For length 753 of days 3117, and long 8141 life 2416,
and peace 7965, shall they add 3254 to thee.

Let not mercy 2617 and truth 571 forsake 5800 thee:
bind 7194 them about thy neck 1621;
write 3789 them upon the table 3871 of thine heart 3820:

So shalt thou find 4672 favour 2580 and good 2896
understanding 7922 in the sight 5869 of God 430 and man 120.

Trust 982 in the LORD 3068 with all thine heart 3820;
and lean 8172 not unto thine own understanding 998.

In all thy ways 1870 acknowledge 3045 him,
and he shall direct 3474 thy paths 734.

Be not wise 2450 in thine own eyes 5869:
fear 3372 the LORD 3068, and depart 5493 from evil 7451.


It continues:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Pro&c=3&v=1&t=KJV#top
and ends:

The wise 2450 shall inherit 5157 glory 3519:
but shame 7036 shall be the promotion 7311 of fools 3684.

true lilly wrote:...and speaking of desperately stupid fools who
ADVERTISE 'their' PERSONAL DESIRE to DESTROY ALL FLESH...
that also, PROVE GOD'S WORD and PROMISES, including, that
HE WON'T ALLOW That ULTIMATE EVIL that my attackers,
so insanely lust after:

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060108888&postcount=30068

Your search -
australia's great artesian basin true lilly sodlike productions david icke-
did not match any documents.

...and WE ALL KNOW what a filthy lie that is Rolling Eyes

...gee, why do YOU THINK, that suddenly, now,
THAT VERY EXTENSIVELY COVERED SUBJECT,
NO LONGER 'exists', at all, on Google search...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060110249&postcount=30069

Gavin Philips (who, when he rises from his rest,
God will bless for the dragon he helped slay)

Timothy John Latimer(as above, likewise beloved)
another 'Kiwi', as is:

Key, John.

Whitney Elizabeth Houston (born August 9, 1963) is an American pop and R&B singer. She is known for her beautiful and powerful voice. She is known for songs such as 'I Will Always Love You' and 'I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me)'. Her version of 'The Star Spangled Banner', which she performed live at Super Bowl XXV
in 1991, was released as a single and peaked high on the charts. This
made her the only artist in history to turn the American national anthem
into a successful single.[1]
She is one of the successful female artists of all time. Her most
famous albums are 'The Bodyguard' (The best selling soundtrack album of
all time), her debut album 'Whitney Houston' (The best selling debut
album of all time) and the album 'Whitney'. She is dubbed as "The
Voice"
. Whitney Houston also starred in the Preacher's Wife. Over the
past few years, Whitney Houston has had trouble with drugs.

..."you do what you gotta do"...

...like NOT taking up 'taxi driver Hit-men's',
unsolicited, out of the blue, offers,
to murder those who cause you grief,
such as, the father of your children...

...'you' sick, twisted (barely) walking dead.

Just as you DON'T take up any of the many,
offers from anyone, let alone 'those' 'ON THEIR TEAM',
to falsely, brand you, as the cause of the untimely death
of 'those' who have become 'their' LIABILITIES.

Woe 1945 to thee that spoilest 7703 ,
and thou [wast] not spoiled 7703 ;
and dealest treacherously 898 ,
and they dealt not treacherously 898 with thee!
when thou shalt cease 8552 to spoil 7703 ,
thou shalt be spoiled 7703 ;
[and] when thou shalt make an end 5239
to deal treacherously 898 ,
they shall deal treacherously 898 with thee.

O LORD 3068, be gracious 2603 unto us;
we have waited 6960 for thee:
be thou their arm 2220 every morning 1242,
our salvation 3444 also in the time 6256
of trouble 6869.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#top

...of trouble 6869.
...ah, the 'rival wife', the 'vexer';
the time of 'the WOE-to-men WOmen', seducing
the world into serving The Beast that The Whore
rides upon...until, she is thrown, and it is thrown,
down into the pit.


Yes, 'their' blood lust is stinking to high heaven:
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3007
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3008
...nearly as high as 'their' terror at 'their' coming, crushing, defeat.

Surely by now, at least some of the English, will finally understand,
that The CONspiracy Industry RELIES on it's followers continuing to
be as stupidly self serving as the CONspiracy Gurus they worship,
preach and slave for.


Surely by now, they would have noticed David Icke's Official Forum is
flooded with threads CHEERING ON and CALLING FOR MORE RIOTS.


Surely by now, they would have noticed that David Icke, "tintin", "cori"
and all those invented, on line 'names' (that CONvinced readers that
'they' were their friends), are happily, safely, sitting behind their screens,
wildly rallying yet more people to destroy their own communities.

Surely by now, at least some remember how much detailed evidence
I gathered and posted to warn readers
that my enemies, ARE, THE ENEMY,
and will stop supporting their would-be murderers.


... as for everyone else, you deserve what your free will choice of on line
'friends' on CONspiracy forums have and will cause you to suffer...like these
violent and now deadly, riots in England, that I did, long ago, forewarn,
the CONspiracy gurus you choose to trust, follow, preach and slave for,
ARE USING YOU TO INFLICT ON YOURSELVES AND INNOCENTS.

"Sorry, that was a little curt. How about 'you'...
... get your heads out of the LOSER TRAITOR'S ARSES,
AND SEE THAT THEY DON'T LOOK AFTER THEIR "tools",
but work them to death then smelt them down!"

Anyway, at this point I must thank you for the distraction from
the very real, very heavy, 'shit' going down, in all the world.
It's made me chuckle, and I needed that. Smile

Oh, and why anyone would keep bothering to listen to anyone
who still doesn't know the vast difference between a 'warning'
and a 'threat', or worse still, hate and attack all who do care
to give fair warning of imminent danger to life...ah, it's just all
too sad to contemplate.

Me, I'd rather think of my long lost youth, when no matter how
keenly games were being contested by gatherings of children on
their suburban roads, one only needed to call out, "Car!", for
all to suspend the action, and get safely away from the danger.

"CAR!"
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Post  true lilly on Sat Aug 13, 2011 6:52 am


"CHILLI"
Grand Champion Bearstar Chilean Willow R.O.M.

Dam: Aust. Ch. Bearstar Itchycoo Park

Aust. Ch. Bearstar Itchycoo Park & Rhod. Ch. MUSHANA'S FIONA

A
Beautiful breed, that taught me a great deal:
genetics, biology, nutrition, history, empire building,
politics, business, media, fundraising, entertainment,
import, export, live animal transport, customs, bureaucracies
and a whole bunch more, and a whole bunch of the,
'behind scenes stuff',
that makes all that 'work'. Wink

RHODESIAN RIDGEBACK


History
The first pictures of African dogs are to be seen on the
cave paintings made by the San (Bushmen) all over Southern Africa. These
rock paintings are thousands of years old.
On 7th April 1652 the Dutch settled in the Cape under Jan van Riebeeck. By then the Khoikhoi had displaced the San, and they owned ridged hunting dogs who were renowned for their hunting skills.

The early settlers took with them various European hunting dogs, Bloodhound types and Mastiff types for guard purposes. In due time these were interbred with the local ridged dogs.
One of the earliest ridged dogs was an engraving in Livingstones book of 1875, "Missionary Travels in South Africa".
Another picture of ridged dogs occurs in Frederick Courtenay Selous' book
"Travel and Adventure in Africa".
This is
the hunting pack of Cornelis van Rooijen and in his book
gives a vivid account of the hunt.

F.C. Selous was the greatest game hunter Africa had.

In the 1870's Rev. Charles Helm travelled from Swellendam in the Cape to
the Hope Fountain Mission in Matabeleland, Rhodesia. With him he took
his 2 ridged dogs: 'Powder' and 'Lorna'. It was at Hope Fountain Mission
that Cornelis van Rooijen met these ridged dogs for the first time.
Van Rooijen farmed at Plumtree, but was better known as a big game hunter, and he kept a big pack of hunting dogs. He admired Helms' ridged dogs for their physique and their
guarding character and arrangements were made to breed them with his hunting
dogs. The result of the cross was ridged dogs, with red coats and
bobbed tails, and they formed the foundation of van Rooijen's pack,
which he bred with selectively for the next 35 years to produce a dog
with the natural ability to bay lions.

In 1897 Francis Barnes co-founded the Salisbury Kennel Club.
In 1910 he left Salisbury for Matabeleland and settled on Eskdale Farm at Figtree.
In 1915 he purchased his first ridgeback 'Dingo' from Graham Stacey of Inszia, who
had obtained his first ridgebacks from Van Rooijen.

Barnes later bought another ridgeback 'Judy',
and this was the start of the famous Eskdale
Ridgebacks.
Barnes became increasingly aware of the need of a Breed Standard,
as he was constantly coming across Ridgebacks of a different size, coat and colour.
In 1922 a small gathering of seven people met to discuss the problem, and the result was
the formation of the Rhodesian Ridgeback Club.

The first Breed Standard was drawn up later in the same year, and according
to Barnes, it owned much to the Breed Standard of the Dalmatian. In
fact it has served the breed very well, and has remained virtually
unchanged in all the important points, with the exception of eliminating
brindle as an acceptable colour and the restriction of white to the
feet and the chest.
After some time the Rhodesian Ridgeback was officially recognised by the South African kennel Union and the first dogs were registered in September 1924.

Vernon Brisley farmed from about 1920 at Sandown, beyond Mazoe, towards
Centenary. The farm was in the Umvukwes area on the escarpment leading
down to the Zambezi Valley.
At this time game and predators were
moving away, but lions were still being hunted with the dogs being kept
on a leash by the dog boys, with up to 4 dogs being handled by one boy.
The dogs were kept in runs and exercised.

The first dogs probably came from Tractor Smith (Sipolilo).
The first Viking registered dog to
be found is Viking Lady (bitch)
out of Towser and Flossie, born
23-11-1927.

Of the Viking dogs, Ella (the niece of Vernon Brisley) remembers Towser,
biggish and dark, Queenie and old Ginger.

Ginger was bigger and soft natured and was allowed in the home - the
other dogs were hunting dogs. The dogs had yellow eyes, and on the hunt the dogs
were often clawed - when they died they were full of scars. Queenie was a wonderful
hunter who realised she had to get the animal into a shooting position.
On the hunt the dogs did not bite the animal at the throat or neck but
would nip at the heels. Enough dogs were used to corner the animal and
form a ring around it. Horses were not used for hunting as horses were difficult to keep.

Sources:
Rhodesian Ridgeback Pioneers by Linda Costa
The Rhodesian Ridgeback Today by Stig Carlson
The Complete Rhodesian Ridgeback by Peter Nicholson
and Janet Parker
Standard

GENERAL

APPEARANCE
Handsome, strong, muscular and active dog, symmetrical in outline,
capable of great endurance with fair amount of speed. Mature dog is
handsome and upstanding.

CHARACTERISTICS Peculiarity is the ridge
on back formed by hair growing in opposite direction to the remainder
of coat; ridge must be regarded as the escutcheon of breed. Ridge
clearly defined, tapering and symmetrical, starting immediately behind
shoulders and continuing to haunch, and containing two identical crowns
only, opposite each other, lower edges of crowns not extending further
down ridge than one-third of its length. Up to 5 cm (2 ins) is a good
average for width of ridge.

TEMPERAMENT Dignified, intelligent, aloof with strangers but showing no aggression or shyness.

HEAD
AND SKULL Of fair length, skull flat, rather broad between ears, free
from wrinkles when in repose. Stop reasonably well defined. Nose black
or brown in keeping with colour of dog, Black nose accompanied by dark
eyes, brown nose by amber eyes. Muzzle long, deep and powerful. Lips
clean and close fitting.

EYES Set moderately well apart, round, bright and sparkling with intelligent expression, colour harmonizing with coat colour.

EARS Set rather high, medium size, rather wide at base, gradually tapering to a rounded point. Carried close to head.

MOUTH
Jaws strong, with a perfect, regular and complete scissor bite, i.e.
upper teeth closely overlapping lower teeth and set square to the jaws.
Well developed teeth, especially canines.

NECK Fairly long, strong and free from throatiness.

FOREQUARTERS Shoulders sloping, clean and muscular. Forelegs perfectly straight, strong, heavy in bone; elbows close to body.

BODY
Chest not too wide, very deep and capacious; ribs moderately well
sprung, never barrel-ribbed. Back powerful; loins strong, muscular and
slightly arched.

HINDQUARTERS Muscles clean, well defined; good turn of stifle; hocks well let down.

FEET Compact, well arched toes, round, tough, elastic pads, protected by hair between toes and pads.

TAIL
Strong at root, not inserted high or low, tapering towards end, free
from coarseness. Carried with a slight curve upwards, never curled.

GAIT/MOVEMENT Straight forward, free and active.

COAT Short and dense, sleek and glossy in appearance but neither woolly nor silky.

COLOUR
Light wheaten to red wheaten. Head, body, legs and tail of uniform
colour. Little white on chest and toes permissible, but excessive white
hairs here, on belly or above paws undesirable. Dark muzzle and ears
permissible.

SIZE Dogs: 63 cm (25 ins) desirable minimum height at withers, 67 cm (27 ins) desirable maximum height at withers.
Bitches: 61 cm (24 ins) desirable minimum height at withers, 66 cm (26 ins) desirable maximum height at withers.

FAULTS
Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault
and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in
exact proportion to its degree.

NOTE Male animals should have two apparently normal testicles fully descended into the scrotum.









Character

Ridgebacks
have always had and still have a high level of tolerance, well
developed survival instincts and possess very fast decision making
abilities as well as a high readiness to co-operate with a partner, who
has proven their competence. These dogs present themselves as reliable
partners, fully integrated protectors of their families and they even
prove their rights to exist as hunting companions.
But as the truly big hunters, as which the Ridgebacks
originated (and which they still are in incredible measures!) they only
find very small parts of their former ways of living amongst our
civilized surroundings - and truly big hunters or "alpha wolf-humans"
have become very rare amongst ourselves as well!

Ridgebacks
are companions that need close contact, ample exercise and find
gratification with duties that can be mastered together with their
"alpha" humans.
It is important that Ridgeback owners who would like
to do their dogs justice, have adequate knowledge of Wolfs
behaviourisms in order to understand and handle their dog correctly.
Just like all large, strong dogs, Ridgebacks living in our lifestyles,
require competent guidance and adequate supervision.

His character: The Rhodesian Ridgeback is almost aboriginal,
very serious with specific chains of behaviour.

They are even-tempered, well-balanced
without an ounce of
spitefulness Ð and never reacts blindly.
Within the "pack", its family,
this breed is friendly, cuddly and almost clingy.
They are very
territorial, watching over their yard, their house and their family
without having any kind of training. This breed is however fully
unsuitable for any kind of "sportive biting" affiliated with a guard dog
training. The dog's love for the hunt lies in it's blood and should be
geared sensibly.

The Ridgeback is very sensitive and does not bear to loud, hard and unfair treatment.
When it comes to development and growth the Ridgeback matures slowly is however
willing and able to learn for a long time. The Ridgeback is absolutely unsuitable for being
kept in a kennel. The city centre is also not suitable for this breed as
it is an almost unnatural habitat, where a Ridgeback with his unaltered
behaviour would waste away in the long run. The consequences reach from
diseases and troubled behaviour up to the proverb "shadow existence".
So far the breed does not show an affinity to hereditary diseases.
However, it should be pointed out that since 1924 the so called "Dermoid
Sinus", a very rare defect that appears under skin, as well as a
missing ridge lead to breeding disqualification. A well balanced diet
for this breed consists of fresh food (meat, vegetables etc.) - based on
experience ready made food is not digested very well and will in the
long run lead to health damages.

It
is a big responsibility for all, who keep and breed this race to offer
growing puppies/youngsters the personal devotion and the natural
surroundings which
this excellent natured dog needs for its development and well-being. Not moulding
the dog at an early age ends tragic for a Ridgeback as an atrophied young
dog remains a caricature of what it actually is and it will never
develop properly at a later stage. These nature dogs should neither be kept in
a tiled sterile surrounding in which they are treated like
precious dolls
nor should they be put in sheds, stables or barns, aside
the daily human life where they might just be watched via a video device.
It is however just as big a responsibility to place puppies
of this primal breed in suitable homes. As much as a Ridgeback is
good-natured, it is not a dog for first time dog owners due to its very
special personality, distinct behaviour and sensitivity. It requires an
owner who is experienced with dog behaviour.

The absurdity to include the Rhodesian Ridgeback in fighting dog discussions
becomes obvious looking at the history of this dog and the characteristics its breed.

Because of its deep-seated healthy instincts and particularly due to its carefulness
and considerateness in regards to conflicts, the Rhodesian Ridgeback is totally unsuitable for any kind of usage in a so called "scene".
A [b]Rhodesian Ridgeback has never been bred towards aggression!
As one of the most interesting breeds which has been formed by humans and the wilderness, the Rhodesian Ridgeback came to be because of a special breed selection.
In any case
of doubt concerning these original bush hunters,
it would prove a strong
will not acquire such a dog!

"A Ridgeback isn't just another dog...."

Frontpage of 1st edition
Travel And Adventure In South-East Africa, 1893
,
with Selous portrait and autograph.


Frederick Courteney Selous /səˈluː/ DSO
(31 December 1851 - 4 January 1917)
was a British explorer, officer, hunter, and
conservationist, famous for his exploits
in south and east of Africa.
His real-life adventures
inspired Sir H. Rider Haggard
to create the fictional Allan Quatermain
character.[1][2]
Selous was also a good friend of
Theodore Roosevelt, Cecil Rhodes and
Frederick Russell Burnham.
He was the older brother of
ornithologist and writer Edmund Selous.

Selous memorial
in the main hall
of the Natural History Museum.


Selous (front seated) leader of
H Troops of Bulawayo Field Force, Matabeleland, 1890s.


Selous,
a gentleman's portrait on African safari,
with two shot Kori bustards
and his Farquharson rifle. 1890s.


Theodore Roosevelt and Selous
in Africa, ca 1909.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Selous

1935 год, Мистер Вернон Брислей, питомник "Viking"
http://www.rhodesian-ridgeback.lv/index.php?action=showText&cat_id=1&m_id=14&sm_id=32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leander_Starr_Jameson

Sir Leander Starr Jameson, 1st Baronet, KCMG, CB,
(February 9, 1853 – November 26, 1917),
10th Prime Minister of the Cape Colony
also known as "Doctor Jim", "The Doctor" or "Lanner",
was a British colonial statesman

Rhod Ch Mushana Starr Jameson »


http://www.rr-oona.com/pedigrees/HarjaselanIshilahi.htm

http://www.lionhillridgebacks.com/about_history2.htm

Aust Grand Ch[b] BEARSTAR KO
CD FC ROM "Mr. Ko"
REG: ANKC V1257328
BORN: 20.01.1992
SIRE: Eilack Apollo »
DAM: Aust Ch Ujamaa Ceres »
Height: 69 cm • Weight: 45 kg
BREEDER: Sioux Ryan, Bearstar kennels, Australia
OWNER: Cyndy Burton, Starridge kennels, Australia



Совершенная голова Shangara Chicheni


Shangara Chicheni

SA Ch GLENAHOLM SHONA OF SHANGARA
REG: KUSA 349851

GENDER: Bitch

SIRE: SA Ch Glenaholm Sakaza »
DAM: SA Ch Glenaholm Lalela »
BREEDER: Laurie Venter, Glenaholm kennels,SA
OWNERS: Elizabeth & Brian Megginson, Shangara kennels, SA

» SHONA'S PEDIGREE »

SA Ch Shangara's Chiringa (D)
Reg: KUSA 9066


Aust Ch Bearstar Itchycoo Park (B)


DAM: Aust Ch Bearstar Chilean Willow "Chilly"
Born: 27.05.1991
Sire: Aust Ch Veldthund Sabre
Dam: Aust Ch Bearstar Itchycoo Park »

Breeder & owner:
Sioux Ryan, Bearstar kennels, Australia
Aust Gr Ch Bearstar Ko

Aust Ch Ujamaa Ceres

SIRE: Aust Ch Marsabit Mbungu »
DAM: Aust Ch Ujamaa Pooh »

Aust Ch Ujamaa Pooh
OWNERS: Steve & Sioux Ryan, Bearstar kennels, Australia

Aust Ch UJAMAA CERES "Barney"
REG: ANKC V219783
BORN: 15.11.1986
Breeder: Sioux Ryan, Bearstar kennels, Australia

Litter was born: 18.02.1996

Int Nord Ch SweW-97 NorW-98 FinW-98-99-00
Bearstar Diamond Willow S VCH ”Demi”
Australia > Sweden
Owner: Veronica Gomes Hansson
Rex Ventor's kennels, Sweden


Aust Grand Ch Bearstar Doulen Ko ET
Owners: Michael Goulding & Dale Blinco
Riginal kennels, Australia


Aust Ch Bearstar Silver Willow ET (B) "Jemma"
Owners:Shane & Kerrie Lambley
Kenjala kennels, Australia
At first Jemma was staying at the Kenjala
kennel only on a twelve months lease but at the end,
Cyndy Burton agreed that she was to stay with the Lambleys.


Aust Ch Bearstar So Beautiful (B) "Tessa"

Aust Ch Ujamaa Ceres


Aust Ch Ujamaa Pooh

OWNERS: Steve & Sioux Ryan,
Bearstar kennels, Australia

BREEDERS: Vicki Moritz, Russell Glenn
& Alistair Wilson, Ujamaa Ridgebacks, Australia

Aust ChLIONSPRIDE CAPRICE "Tali"

...yes, HISTORY, the study of foreign nations,
peoples and politics...and some key individuals
behind Bearstar...

US Ch SWAHILI'S JEFF DAVIS ROM "Jock"
REG: AKC H520553
BORN: 18.07.1952
SIRE: Orulo De Holi »
DAM: Elizabeth

BREEDER: Mrs Elsie Poole, South Africa
BREEDING 1
Litter was born: 20.11.1960
Breeder: Phyllis McCarthy, Glenaholm kennels,
South
Africa

SIRE: SA Ch Dr Jameson of Gazeley »


UK Ch OWLSMOOR GLENAHOLM ADONIS
BORN: 09.11.1958 South Africa > UK
SIRE: SA Ch, Rhod Ch Cedric Remus »
DAM:SA Ch Glenaholm Claire »

COLOUR: Dark red wheaten

BREEDER: Phyllis McCarthy,
Glenaholm kennels, South Africa


OWNER: Mrs Cicely Hick, Owlsmoor kennels, UK

Mrs Cicely Hick's Owlsmoor kennel started breeding with
Manscross bloodlines, but she brought a drop of new blood
with a South African import,
Owlsmoor Glenaholm
Adonis.
Adonis
was one of the
leading stud dogs of this well-known kennel.
He gained his
Champion title in 1961.
Adonis sired four Champions for the Owlsmoor affix:
UK Ch Ruanda of Owlsmoor,
UK Ch Rubuka
of Owlsmoor,
UK Ch Gezina of Owlsmoor

and
UK Ch Ikoma of Owlsmoor.



ORULO DE HOLI
BORN: 04.10.1948
SIRE: Rif of Meyendell
DAM: Striata of Quaggapoort
BREEDER:
Major Tom C Hawley, De Holi kennels, South Africa

OWNERS:Acthress Sarah Gertude Millin, South Africa> Mrs Elsie Poole, South Africa


Rhod Ch MUSHANA'S FIONA
REG: KUSA 195572

BORN: 22.10.1966


SIRE: Rhod Ch
Glenaholm Strauss of Inkabusi »
DAM: Golden Pandora of Inkabusi

BREEDER: Mrs McCosh, Southern Rhodesia

OWNERS:
Margaret & Sammy Wallace, Mushana kennels, Southern Rhodesia

Mushana's Fiona was out of Mrs Irene Kingcome's Inkabusi lines.
She was bred by Mrs McCosh, who had no kennel prefix,
and purchased by the Wallaces.
Fiona
became the foundation bitch of the famous Mushana kennels.
»

Litter was born: c. 1974
Breeders: Margaret & Sammy Wallace, Mushana kennels,
Southern Rhodesia


SIRE
: Rhod Ch Lord Sam »

Rhod Ch Mushana Starr Jameson »
Breeders:
Margaret & Sammy Wallace, Mushana kennels,
Southern Rhodesia

SIRE: Bones of Brookdene

Reg: KUSA 207130
Sire:
Rhod Ch Mpani's Rip of Colemore »
Dam: Golden Pelt of Arbor


SA Ch Mushana Wizard »

UK Ch EILACK SAUL
REG: KCSB 3942BL

BORN: 12.07.1973


SIRE:
Rafters Moby
DAM: Eureka of Eilack


BREEDERS & OWNERS:Jack & Eileen Selby, Eilack kennels, UK

Eilack Saul was BOB at Crufts
in 1978,
when BOS was UK Ch Rhosaf Gwinya.
In the year 1978 he also won the Cicely Hick Memorial Trophy.
And just to brag a little more: he was the Breeds Top Sire
in Britain in 1983.


Saul sired 13 litters and his offspring that can be found in
Oona's and Saara's pedigree are: UK Ch Bizweni Nkosi Mkulu »,
out of dame UK Ch Rhosaf Ika. His other champion progeny includes:
UK Ch Bizweni Ntombezaan Mkulu, UK Ch Eilack Kilijaro
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Post  Billy Ruben on Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:29 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:I just sent Alison (I am) an email of this thread with your accusations about Ozpixie.As long as it don't go against their non-disclosure agreement,I asked her to inform Christine of this thread and to please give me information why True Lilly,(mental basket case spastic bitch),why would one of Gods' anointed would make such a claim?

I also asked for information about you madam...not where you live,but what you've done to others and the games and back-stabbing you involve yourself with,thankyou Lulzy for admitting this,it was arsehole game players is why I left DIF in the end,but I might just re-activate my account...and keep a low profile...the rant room is too tempting....And you know why arsehole???I'll rant every thread you've done,lost in the bowels of the rant room...Then,I'll ask Ozpixie to take you to court over your accusations,by using the police,(they'll help her...then when it's thrown out of court cause we just found out you're a registered mental patient...a real one!!!...then I will be ever so sorry I spoke ill to you...and forgive you for your harassment and games you play...if not,you're gonna look stupid,at any rate...and if Ozpixie does cough up...and reveals your lies and games the same as everyone else asserts,then your readers,must be as mental and fucked in the head as you...have a nice day.

and just to let the discerning reader know...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Mental Patient,since you assert that you can answer questions,without spam I hope,...

What justifies you calling Christine/Ozpixie a goat fucker and that she makes men do it for bribery purposes???

Would you not consider that the men would rather f*ck Ozpixie than goats...but the possibilty is,that the men might rather f*ck a goat than some broken shrunken imp of a person such as yourself???

Why do you always label people goat,dog/fuckers,peadophiles?I have,but they and I know the truth of it...Even proved a few things that go on deaf ears.

You're sick Suzy,real sick...if you get sanctioned in a mental home,I'll forgive you,but you're on the street being a danger to yourself and everybody else...I can con a mental health team Suzy,5 minute chat with you,they'll never let you out,they hate God botherers the most in psyche-wards,drug the absolute crap out of them...


Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:

So,where is the sex/porn spam,do you still think beastiality is natural sex???You see,Lilly,it's about interpretations,what you view as natural and loving,the law of the land regards as perverse and criminal...but in danger of giving the judge an erection
...and your 'double speak' is so weak and transparent...could it be that
you are the local horse rapist that the judges keep letting off...
true lilly wrote:sadly, some 'sick puppies' are so sick, a bullet's their only 'cure'... ...
... or you could simply 'you' 'ninny' 'billy' goat shagger's...

...umm, so 'you' do 'know' Christine in your satanic biblical sense, that local
animal raping ex-copper's witch...
...she couldn't get enough of making men fcuk goats...them blackmailing them...
...to stay in her sick death circles forever...I did warn people about her, years ago,
back in the ATS days...mind you, she and her ilk are a dime a dozen cheap slags...
...I'm sure you can find another if she's no longer available...now go, to
your own kind...I can't even pity you...


Are you kidding...No,this comes from the lips of True Lilly,it's all batshit...

Lilly,stop telling lies and no,I don't know Christine/OzPixie...Imagine that eh?David Icke Forum Moderators are either Illuminati Shills like Dark Eternal or goat fucking satanist like OzPixie,cause True Lilly tells me so...

No Lilly,I don't think they'll let you back on DIF....EVER.


DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN TRUE LILLY,EVERYONE YOU TAKE A DISLIKE TOO,IS PAINTED A GOATFUCKER,BABYFUCKER OR SOMETHING ELSE.YOU HAVE ISSUES IN THIS AREA,AND IT'S ALL TO DO WITH YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOURSELF.IF YOU WERE MADE TO DO THINGS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG,IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT,IF YOU INSTIGATED IT,THEN GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON...YOU POINT THE FINGER SUZY,BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED YOU OUT,READ YOUR PM ABOUT YOUR FAMILY...


Billy Ruben wrote:This is not such a bad way to go actually,my way,I would've destroyed you,but the fall-out for me would be just as bad...this way,we can deal with the FACTS as you've claimed...

Once you have no credibilty,you can post spam to the wall,cause there is no-way anyone will believe you...Hey,how come you have'nt called in the cavalry??? (hOrSeY-Palomino)...when it gets out of control you usually sink to every method that you accuse David Icke and Tintin of...
Gang-stalking,harassment,etc...when the dust settles,was that one little lie that kicked this all off a year ago,...Was it All Worth It?
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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  true lilly on Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:18 pm

Considering these points (below),
WHY have CONspiracy Forum overlords and trolls,
united to attack
one real person who dared to ask
THE QUESTION: why does a world of opposing, waring
religions, INSIST that The One Thing we Must all believe

is the obviously absurd, 'out of Egypt' 'time line',

when Science Agrees with what GOD'S WORD ACTUALLY
DESCRIBES,
and anyone who cares to, can actually
read up on and check for themselves?

Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:Why So Many Moderators On The David Icke Forum...???



'Free Speech Zones' Killing Free Speech Across Orwellian America

Thursday, 26 May 2011 08:15




Some David Icke Quotes...

A gift of truth is the gift of love.
David Icke

And
why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech,
allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed
down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history.
David Icke

Everyone is a son or daughter of god.
David Icke

Have you ever wondered what your subconscious mind looks like? Well today, I can show you.
David Icke

I am a channel for the Christ spirit. The title was given to me very recently by the Godhead.
David Icke

I
believe that the human race has developed a form of collective
schizophrenia in which we are not only the slaves to this imposed
thought behavior, but we are also the police force of it.
David Icke

I
couldn't walk down any street in Britain without being laughed at. It
was a nightmare. My children were devastated because their dad was a
figure of ridicule.
David Icke

I know that you are
part of me and I am part of you because we are all aspects of the same
infinite consciousness that we call God and Creation.
David Icke

In
the Atlantean period there were many energies being used and
information and knowledge being used which were, for particular reasons
of safety, withdrawn, shall we say, to prevent complete catastrophe, to
prevent total destruction of your planet.
David Icke

Infinite love is the only truth. Everything else is illusion.
David Icke

One
of my very greatest fears as a child was being ridiculed in public. And
there it was coming true. As a television presenter, I'd been
respected. People come up to you in the street and shake your hand and
talk to you in a respectful way.
David Icke

So reports of my madness, as they say, were greatly exaggerated. Not that I give a bugger either way.
David Icke

The best way of removing negativity is to laugh and be joyous.
David Icke

The Earth needs rebels!
David Icke

The
reason most people don't express their individuality and actually deny
it, is not fear of what prime ministers think of us or the head of the
federal reserve, It's what their families and their friends down at the
bar are going to think of them.
David Icke

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground.
David Icke

This One Seems A Bit Familiar...

And
why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech,
allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed
down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history.
David Icke

Seems To Be Plagarised From Bertrand Russell

Advocates
of capitalism are very apt to appeal to the sacred principles of
liberty, which are embodied in one maxim: The fortunate must not be
restrained in the exercise of tyranny over the unfortunate.
Bertrand Russell

Still Odd That There Is So Many Moderators And Forum Advisors etc... There...!!!



I Suppose Sitting On Ones Arse For 10 Hours A Day,
Could Be...


"Being The Change You Want To See In The World"

Well At A Stretch Or A Suspension Of Disbeleif...!!!


http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=179768


To silence anyone who twigs
that 'David Icke' lives on
PLANET EVIL LYING LOON... Rolling Eyes



"... total destruction of your planet. "
David Icke



"The Earth needs rebels! "
David Icke

"And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny
and demand freedom of
speech, allow people to go to prison
and be vilified, and magazines


to be closed down on the spot,
for suggesting another version of history."

David Icke



Gee, funny that...that
EVERY VERSION of 'history' IS OUT THERE,
being SOLD in books, magazines, movies,
newspapers, NET Forums...

EVERY VERSION EXCEPT
What GOD DESCRIBED and
SCIENCE AGREES WITH...

that DOES GET SHUT DOWN,
SHOUTED DOWN, SHOT DOWN,
and CHASED DOWN and
BASHED to near death
by "tintin's" THUG tools and
Targeted by CAR BOMBS...

...but 'they' still can't kill it! Wink Very Happy
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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  Billy Ruben on Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:50 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Anyone of unfounded crimes and atrocities ever again I swear,I'll pursue you to the ends of the Earth,your God,will not protect you...

How dare you,pick on someone that can't even defend themselves.
Do you know how much hurt and pain your stupid little game does,how does mine back to you feel? Get it,myopic slag???
Ozpixie would never be what you accuse her off.

Quote: I Am

Jase,

I would not even show this to ozpixie as I know how much it would upset her and trust me, she does not need this sort of disgusting accusation in her life.

I have been slated by the best of them but really don’t give a toss. I know who I am and my friends and family know who I am.. I have been around long enough that it is water off a duck’s back.

Oz on the other hand is a very sweet lady who is not all that savvy to the hatred spread on the net.

I cannot give you too much information but I can assure you she is not the person true lilly believes she is. Her name is not Christine and she has never met or had any contact with lilly. She is not only not from Ballarat, She is not even from the same state.


How's that for showing what little you really know,eh? But still quite prepared to vomit your bullshit.You got no credibility and you make the Anti-Icke movement look cold and hate-filled with no warrant to be...and for that

I THANK YOU

ANYWAY,YOU'RE NOT GETTING LET OFF,WHILST YOU STILL USE GENERAL FORUM,i WILL HAUNT YOU,BACK IN YOUR DUNGEON DRAGON...AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE,ACCUSE ANYBODY OF ANY SEXUAL CRIME AND I WILL TAUNT AND HAUNT YOU MORE...

THIS WILL NOT END,I WILL AWAIT YOU AND DESTROY EVERY SYLLABLE YOU DARE UTTER IN FUTURE...F*CK YOU,IS THE ORDER FOR EVERYDAY,DRAGON...

cthulhu cthulhu

Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Billy Ruben wrote:ANSWER ME YOU GOD WHORE,WHY ACCUSE SOMEONE MEEK AND MILD OF AN ATROCITY THAT SHE COULD'NT EVEN READ ABOUT,LET ALONE PERFORM,WITH NO EVIDENCE AS USUAL,BUT YOU SEEM PRE-OCCUPIED WITH THIS SUBJECT,AND NAMED OZPIXIE WRONG,BUT STILL PERSIST,WHY SPREAD VICIOUS LIES AND RUMOURS,JUST SO PEOPLE WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF YOUR POST,BITCH!!!
I ALSO NOTICED YOU NEVER MENTIONED CIGGY AND I FOR MONTHS,UNTIL YOU FOUND I WAS POSTING AT HPANWO...WAS THIS THE BIGGEST BUNGLE YOU AND YOUR ILK MADE,I KNOW SO,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,F*CK YOU....
ALL THIS JUST TO RAISE YOUR READERSHIP...IF YOU WERE'NT SUCH A SPASTIC,YOU'D STILL BE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE,THE DAVID ICKE FORUMS...NER,NER,NER,NER


rolf rolf rolf rolf

Razz Razz Razz Razz

pig pig pig pig

tongue tongue tongue tongue

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:I just sent Alison (I am) an email of this thread with your accusations about Ozpixie.As long as it don't go against their non-disclosure agreement,I asked her to inform Christine of this thread and to please give me information why True Lilly,(mental basket case spastic bitch),why would one of Gods' anointed would make such a claim?

I also asked for information about you madam...not where you live,but what you've done to others and the games and back-stabbing you involve yourself with,thankyou Lulzy for admitting this,it was arsehole game players is why I left DIF in the end,but I might just re-activate my account...and keep a low profile...the rant room is too tempting....And you know why arsehole???I'll rant every thread you've done,lost in the bowels of the rant room...Then,I'll ask Ozpixie to take you to court over your accusations,by using the police,(they'll help her...then when it's thrown out of court cause we just found out you're a registered mental patient...a real one!!!...then I will be ever so sorry I spoke ill to you...and forgive you for your harassment and games you play...if not,you're gonna look stupid,at any rate...and if Ozpixie does cough up...and reveals your lies and games the same as everyone else asserts,then your readers,must be as mental and fucked in the head as you...have a nice day.

and just to let the discerning reader know...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Mental Patient,since you assert that you can answer questions,without spam I hope,...

What justifies you calling Christine/Ozpixie a goat fucker and that she makes men do it for bribery purposes???

Would you not consider that the men would rather f*ck Ozpixie than goats...but the possibilty is,that the men might rather f*ck a goat than some broken shrunken imp of a person such as yourself???

Why do you always label people goat,dog/fuckers,peadophiles?I have,but they and I know the truth of it...Even proved a few things that go on deaf ears.

You're sick Suzy,real sick...if you get sanctioned in a mental home,I'll forgive you,but you're on the street being a danger to yourself and everybody else...I can con a mental health team Suzy,5 minute chat with you,they'll never let you out,they hate God botherers the most in psyche-wards,drug the absolute crap out of them...


Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:

So,where is the sex/porn spam,do you still think beastiality is natural sex???You see,Lilly,it's about interpretations,what you view as natural and loving,the law of the land regards as perverse and criminal...but in danger of giving the judge an erection
...and your 'double speak' is so weak and transparent...could it be that
you are the local horse rapist that the judges keep letting off...
true lilly wrote:sadly, some 'sick puppies' are so sick, a bullet's their only 'cure'... ...
... or you could simply 'you' 'ninny' 'billy' goat shagger's...

...umm, so 'you' do 'know' Christine in your satanic biblical sense, that local
animal raping ex-copper's witch...
...she couldn't get enough of making men fcuk goats...them blackmailing them...
...to stay in her sick death circles forever...I did warn people about her, years ago,
back in the ATS days...mind you, she and her ilk are a dime a dozen cheap slags...
...I'm sure you can find another if she's no longer available...now go, to
your own kind...I can't even pity you...


Are you kidding...No,this comes from the lips of True Lilly,it's all batshit...

Lilly,stop telling lies and no,I don't know Christine/OzPixie...Imagine that eh?David Icke Forum Moderators are either Illuminati Shills like Dark Eternal or goat fucking satanist like OzPixie,cause True Lilly tells me so...

No Lilly,I don't think they'll let you back on DIF....EVER.


DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN TRUE LILLY,EVERYONE YOU TAKE A DISLIKE TOO,IS PAINTED A GOATFUCKER,BABYFUCKER OR SOMETHING ELSE.YOU HAVE ISSUES IN THIS AREA,AND IT'S ALL TO DO WITH YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOURSELF.IF YOU WERE MADE TO DO THINGS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG,IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT,IF YOU INSTIGATED IT,THEN GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON...YOU POINT THE FINGER SUZY,BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED YOU OUT,READ YOUR PM ABOUT YOUR FAMILY...


Billy Ruben wrote:This is not such a bad way to go actually,my way,I would've destroyed you,but the fall-out for me would be just as bad...this way,we can deal with the FACTS as you've claimed...

Once you have no credibilty,you can post spam to the wall,cause there is no-way anyone will believe you...Hey,how come you have'nt called in the cavalry??? (hOrSeY-Palomino)...when it gets out of control you usually sink to every method that you accuse David Icke and Tintin of...
Gang-stalking,harassment,etc...when the dust settles,was that one little lie that kicked this all off a year ago,...Was it All Worth It?

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Nothing 'private' about this, 'you' 'ninny nong'...

So, which is it?
"Billy Ruben" makes a serious threat, or, he's all lying talk?


From Billy Ruben To true lilly, Today at 4:28 pm
____________________________________________________________________

true lilly wrote:
So, you still haven't figured out why the smarter ones hand-balled you this:
"Keep pushing and I'll destroy you good and proper.", job.
_____________________________________________________________________

quote:Billy Ruben


your a goner mate...
_____________________________________________________________________

Either way...'you & Ciggy' simply shouldn't have spammed, my one thread,
with 'you & Ciggy's' endless public 'conversations' about 'you & Ciggy's'
'beliefs' on when a child is too young or too related to lust after
, and then
stepped up 'your' phone and on line harassment, when I asked 'you', again,
to remove that, utterly sick, way off topic, 'conversation' of 'yours',
from my thread, that was 'chopped up' to have 'those conversations'
of 'you & Ciggy', head and end the pages, as if it where my topic...and then cry,
rant, libel, make endless personal threats and try to sound like 'you'
AND 'your' supportive ASSOCIATES are 'good guys'.


Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.

this is what I mean't you're a goner,you think I'd martyr you...hehehehe,that's how you think,idiot,no,a living permanenet death...I destroyed every credible shred you ever had or beLIEved you had.

This is what I am had to say,the truth...you're a disgusting spiteful shitbag of a person Suzy Ryan...if I get a chance,I'll f*ck you over in court
...Alison won't even show Ozpixie your stuff and I don't blame her,Ozpixie to me was like an Aussie Antiem,a very nice young lady,but Antiem shocked me with her strengths,I always thought Ozpixie was a little softy,like Curtain Cat,very lovely girls...You spiteful stale withered shitbag of a woman,I HATE you properly now...and have no shame in how I treat you,exactly how I treat demons,what I say to them,made them weep...you I will break...I am an old demon in transition,anything that tries stopping me in future,I'll swat,as I do to roaches...





the only thing being threatened is what little credibilty you think you had...call the police,go on,dare you,send your bald headed mate up,I'm in pretty good shape compared to yesterday.F*CK YOU!!!

sucked in...you make me ill...


True Lilly,puts her foot in it:
Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.


Thankyou Suzy,that's exactly what I said,spam a True Lilly shitbox thread to make it interesting and you get painted as a child molester...exactly what I've been saying.

The only disappointing aspect,is you're proving me dead-on with no effort needed,this is all to easy...


THIS SUPER-SPAM CAN BE ALOT OF FUN AND ANNOYANCE,THANKYOU TRUE LILLY,FOR INTIATING ME IN THE SCHOOL OF SECRET ARTS...


Billy Ruben wrote:yeah,we remember the car-bombing,you lied and bullshitted about that one too...and sent us a pic of some woman walking a dog as proof,yeah,credible honest god fearing suzy fuckwit ryan...
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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:22 am

true lilly wrote:Gee, I wonder why
"tintin's" thread HAS LOST SO MANY READERS...

...and isn't this "supposed" to be,
"The ANTI-DAVID ICKE SITE"...


EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE,WHICH IT ISN'T,IT'S YOU WHO LOST THE READERS,THAT'S WHY YOU BITCHED SO LONG ABOUT GETTING BACK ON DIF (GOOD ON YOU CORI thumbs up ),AT LEAST PEOPLE CAN SEE THE TRUE REASON YOU SPREAD LIES AND RUMOURS,YOU ONLY FOOL YOURSELF INTO BELIEVING OTHERS WOULD FOLLOW YOUR LEAD,...THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO LEAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO RING YOU,SO THEY SEE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT A CHEAP PIECE OF SHIT AND NUTJOB YOU REALLY ARE...RUMOURS FLY FAST,BUT MINE ARE THE TRUTH...AND YOU LOSE,CAUSE OF ME...UP YOURS S.RYAN...

SUZY'S PHONE NUMBER: 0424705576 cthulhu
Billy Ruben wrote:IF THERE IS ONE THING I ACHIEVED WITH THIS BITCH THIS WEEK,IS THE SUPPOSEDLY UNBENDING SUZY RYAN/TRUE LILLY SLAG OF BALLARAT,LIED,WORMED AND TWISTED HER WAY OUT OF THE SLANDER SHE SAID ABOUT OZPIXIE...WE ALL SEEN IT FOR OURSELVES,NOW SHE'S TRYING TO BLUFF HER WAY OUT,I NEVER KNEW HER NAME (OZPIXIE)STILL DON'T,SHE RECKONED SHE DID,UNTIL PROVEN WRONG BY "I AM"...NOW SHE'S SHIT SCARED OF YOU PEOPLE SEEING HER FOR WHAT SHE REALLY IS...AND THE REASON SHE REALLY SPREADS RUMOURS AND LIES,SHE'S A PATHETIC IMP OF A WOMAN,THAT HAS NOBODY IN LIFE,THAT REALLY COULD LOVE THAT THING...


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I always believe and say it now,you're a dogfucker...

Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:23 am

Billy Ruben wrote:I despise the things.I have pity for the horse,in a modern world,where oil fired machines have taken the yoke from our beat friends,you'd think after all these years in service and war,we'd cut the horse a little slack and let them be free,nah!We parade them and race them instead..
thumbs down to those who do,you're slave handlers... thumbs down

But the filthy canine,never loved,never respected,decrepid shit eating,flea ridden filth bags. thumbs down

They killed another 4 year old girl today,take matters in your own hands and don't wait for them to attack and rape,carry a taser,burn out the poochies...woof!

Billy Ruben wrote:

the other aspect to my hatred for them and their owners,the dog is only too willing to be a stooge for it's devious owners,despise them...Grrrr!
Billy Ruben wrote:

you gotta be kiddin'... thumbs down
Billy Ruben wrote:

this is just fucked...if this is the heights we climb with the technological revolution,smite the vermin of the planet God.... satan
Billy Ruben wrote:ROFL

AT LEAST THIS WAS'NT SOME SICK SET UP...AND VERY FUNNY!!!...GOLDEN RETRIEVER GOES WILD...



...That's why I made the thread... rolf
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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:25 am

ENJOY THE ONLY BEAUTY YOU KNOW...!

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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  true lilly on Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:09 pm

true lilly wrote:
Cool wrote:ok then .. time-clonings
=TIME of yours definings of it
the EL is GOD for it including others els
i am reapeted in the mirror of events and recorded stringings
as the unknown repeates in it
you are/was a mormon - right?

No, not, never was Mormon, but a Target of theirs to.

And, 1, and 24 other thrones,
but still THE ONE, ORIGINATOR.

And, ALL, EVERY ONE of US
and THE CREATOR
and The Next 24 Enthroned,
ARE UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS.

NEVER TO BE REPEATED.

SO PRECIOUS,
and a SAD WASTE
to CHOSE EXTINCTION.

But back to Mormons:
The Cover for The World
RECOGNIZING AUSTRALIA
AS THE LAND GOD DESCRIBED...
..."heard it before from that
'dumb dumb dumb' religion.",
but it's nothing like it,
as AUSTRALIA ALWAYS WAS, and
CLEARLY, FOR HUNDREDS of YEARS, and
EVEN MORE CLEARLY NOW,
DESCRIBED in HOLY SCRIPTURE.
Sod-Haus...!!! wrote:
The Illuminati Is Bullshit To Suck People Into A Mindset...!!!
And that mind SET is AWAY
from what the evil MOST FEAR...
...that people will SEE, The Actual,
TRUTH of GOD'S WORD, and so,
KNOW HE EXISTS and SERVE HIM

RATHER THAN the prince of DEATH!


As you can see, I've always made it clear
that I am not afraid of 'going toe to toe',
in a serious, Contest of Ideas.

And clearly not a 'love fest' of 'smooth words',
but just as clearly, not a battle of
Personal Threats and Counter Threats.

Yet, that is what 'they' present
(threats against my person), as 'their'
'counter arguments' to what 'they' have
NO COUNTER ARGUMENT TO OFFER,
and THEN, HAVE THE GAUL TO COMPLAIN
that 'they', "'don't like' 'the way' 'I' 'speak'"!?

Yes, that is another 'reason' 'Billy Ruben' gives
for his hate of me and THREATS TO KILL me.

So, some quotes,
to help stress the WARNING
to all who may be tempted to join the likes of,
Billy Ruben, tintin, cori, I_AM, merlincove,
el kabong, and the rest of the on line, and
Local, Thugs, in these clearly, serious, criminal acts



Well, here it is folks,
The GOOD NEWS Behind,
"The NEWS Behind The NEWS".

And first up:
PLEASE, add, counter, challenge away,
but NOT with
Worldly/CATHOLIC FUNDED/COMMISSIONED
Lies, Myths and Fantasy, presented as if 'fact'...
unless you want a verbal slashing !

The WHOLE Conspiracy INDUSTRY
is FULL of that INSANITY.
Please LET THIS THREAD BE WHAT IT IS
or ADMIT YOU WORK
to "PROTECT" TPTB
from The ONLY Truth "They" FEAR.


The intent of this thread is:
To SHOW how OLD and TIGHT
the HOODWINKS placed on us by
those DEATH WORSHIPPING LIE LOVERS
actually are, AND HOW to REMOVE them,
FOR FREE!

Yep, no middle man or 'guru' to PAY to follow
(to your Eternal DEATH), no man or woman
to grovel and suck down to, just tools and skills
for recognising and countering THE KILLER LIE.

So I'll begin with my introduction posts
to 'that thread'
that TWISTED
FREEING TRUTH
into MOCKING DEATH THREATS...
so folk can also SEE
the DIFFERENT SPIRITS SOURCE
behind different posters...
to HEAR the voice of HARD LOVE
and DOING JUSTICE,
and recognise
the SMOOTH WORDS of
THE FATHER of The LIE.


So, from 16-10-2007....

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=86338
true lilly wrote:It's a SERIOUS MATTER:
BILLY RUBEN'S Flood of TEXT THREATS

Yesterday, we had a guest over,
while 'Billy Ruben' aka 'Jason/Jase',
was texting me yet more threats.

Now, only going by those text
from last night and yesterday,
that guest had serious concerns
over what they
('Billy Ruben's' threatening texts),
contained.

But here's the thing;
that guest was The Same Person
who was here The First Time
'Billy Ruben' phoned and spoke to me.

'That' First Time, that 'Billy Ruben'
then proceeded to spam threads
with a completely slanderous version
of what was and wasn't said by whom,
and what sort of electronics my house contains.

So again, I asked 'Billy Ruben' to Call
and Speak To THAT PERSON while he was here,
(and 'Billy Ruben' was spending all his time
texting threats to my phone anyway),
so that he (the guest who was also here and
witnessed that first call from 'Billy Ruben),
could confirm (and so, easy 'Billy Ruben's mind),
that there was only the TV on in the background,
and that I only have one, very old, weak and
slow computer.

'Billy Ruben', again, refused to speak to him.

But back to the nature of those threats.

They are very personal, very sick,
dangerously obsessive,
INDEPENDENTLY WITNESSED to
NOT BE ENCOURAGED,
and clearly, though showing an unstable mind,
knowingly, willingly, criminal.

Also, I will stress that what indicates that
'Billy Ruben's' threats ARE LEGITIMATELY to be,
considered SERIOUS THREATS, are his bold,
statements of and behaviour that supports,
his lack of fear of detection.

That is a classic indication of someone
committed to carrying out their threats,
even at the risk of being caught.


Rather TELLING to, that
DAVID ICKE OFFICIAL FORUM MODERATORS
DON'T BAN the likes of CORI and TINTIN
(who also publicly posted similar threats),
but rather, THOSE OF US WHO NOTIFY
MODERATORS AND ADMINISTRATION
of THAT CLEARLY, SERIOUS and CRIMINAL
behaviour.
true lilly wrote:Just a few example of how important it is to not allow this post to show in an impactful, legible format...
MASS MANIPULATOR
David Icke INDUSTRIES

Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Co they tell ya
what they do to ya
it's O.K.
to DO IT!

Suspect Suspect Suspect Suspect
Co they tell ya
what they do to ya
it's O.K.
to DO IT!


Suspect Suspect
Cos they tell ya
what they do to ya
it's O.K.
to DO IT!

...and that doesn't include
how many times
each attempt was edited
by me and 'them',
me and 'them',
as I was writing and editing

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Re: Lily Ponds and Marshland

Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:53 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:YES YOU DID MAGGOT ACCUSE OXPIXIE,WHY WOULD I DO IT,NOT MY STYLE OF LOWY LIKE YOU SHITBAG WHO'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEAR,YOU ONLY DENY IT CAUSE,YOU ARE TRYING TO PRESS CHARGES...AND IT ISN'T WORKING...AND SOON AS I TELL BALLARAT POLICE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT YOUR EX-COPPER HUSBAND,YOU WON'T BE LOOKED AFTER,YOU'LL GET THE PSYCHE WARD,COURTEOUSY OF ME...
LILLYS' NEW PLOY TODAY,IS SPAM AS MANY LIES IN ONE POST,THINKING I'LL EXHAUST MYSELF COUNTERING THEM,SORRY,I ALREADY PUT OUT THE TRUTHFUL EVENTS,SHE'S A LITTLE TO SLOW THIS TIME AROUND AND HOPES TO BURY IT,UNDER TONNES OF SHIT,TO HISE HER LYING,CALLOUS,COLD-HEARTED SIDE...I AM NOT,SCUM LIKE HER,DESERVE MY WRATH AND EVERYONE ELSES WHO'VE BEEN SO INSULTED BY THIS MINDLESS BINT OVER THE YEARS,REGARDS.

Billy Ruben wrote:IF THERE IS ONE THING I ACHIEVED WITH THIS BITCH THIS WEEK,IS THE SUPPOSEDLY UNBENDING SUZY RYAN/TRUE LILLY SLAG OF BALLARAT,LIED,WORMED AND TWISTED HER WAY OUT OF THE SLANDER SHE SAID ABOUT OZPIXIE...WE ALL SEEN IT FOR OURSELVES,NOW SHE'S TRYING TO BLUFF HER WAY OUT,I NEVER KNEW HER NAME (OZPIXIE)STILL DON'T,SHE RECKONED SHE DID,UNTIL PROVEN WRONG BY "I AM"...NOW SHE'S SHIT SCARED OF YOU PEOPLE SEEING HER FOR WHAT SHE REALLY IS...AND THE REASON SHE REALLY SPREADS RUMOURS AND LIES,SHE'S A PATHETIC IMP OF A WOMAN,THAT HAS NOBODY IN LIFE,THAT REALLY COULD LOVE THAT THING...

cthulhu

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Gee, I wonder why
"tintin's" thread HAS LOST SO MANY READERS...

...and isn't this "supposed" to be,
"The ANTI-DAVID ICKE SITE"...


EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE,WHICH IT ISN'T,IT'S YOU WHO LOST THE READERS,THAT'S WHY YOU BITCHED SO LONG ABOUT GETTING BACK ON DIF (GOOD ON YOU CORI thumbs up ),AT LEAST PEOPLE CAN SEE THE TRUE REASON YOU SPREAD LIES AND RUMOURS,YOU ONLY FOOL YOURSELF INTO BELIEVING OTHERS WOULD FOLLOW YOUR LEAD,...THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO LEAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO RING YOU,SO THEY SEE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT A CHEAP PIECE OF SHIT AND NUTJOB YOU REALLY ARE...RUMOURS FLY FAST,BUT MINE ARE THE TRUTH...AND YOU LOSE,CAUSE OF ME...UP YOURS S.RYAN...

SUZY'S PHONE NUMBER: 0424705576 cthulhu
EVERYTHING IN THE ABOVE POST IS A PROVEN LIE,KEEP CLUTCHING TO THE HOPE SOME FUCKTARD AS STUPID AS YOU,BELIEVES IT...


thumbs down cthulhu

true lilly wrote:Good readers, as I see Billy Ruben is polluting my threads with the equivalent of
what one would find in the chamber pot of a man dying of vile diseases (and so,
not something one would want to pick through the details of),

DEAR READERS,YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY I HATE THIS SLAG MORE THAN ANYONE ON THE NET,SHE''LL USE ANY KNOWLEDGE IN HER POWER,IF SHE THINKS IT'S A WEAKNESS OR A GOOD POINT OF ATTACK,THAT'S WHY,I'M SHAMELESS AND BLAMELESS AND DO THE SAME BACK,USING HER FAMILY THAT TURNED ON HER,FOR THE SAME BRAND OF FUCKTARD NUTTINESS.WHAT I DID CONFIRM AT HPANWO,WAS MY LYMPHOCYTES ARE OUT,WHICH IS QUITE SPEEDY IN DEVELOPEMENT,CONSIDERING I HAD A CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH IN JANUARY,I HAD THE THIRD BLOOD TEST TODAY,SO HOPING THE RESULTS GO BACK TO NORMAL BY NEXT WEEK.IT'S A RECIPE FOR LEUKEMIA,SHE KNEW THIS,CAUSE SHE LIKES THE RUMOUR MILL,AND MR SOD TIPPED HER OFF,FROM MY STINT AS DAVID VINCENT...AS LONG AS YOU PEOPLE KNOW,REMEMBER THE PATTERNS WITH THE SATANIST DAUGHTER...SEE,I DON'T MIND THEM BOTH DOING THAT,I'LL LET IT PLAY EENIE MEENIE MINIE MOE...AND SEE WHICH ONE DESERVES THEIR COME UPPANCE THE MOST...SUCK MY COCK...



[quote="true lilly"][color=darkblue]Good readers, as I see Billy Ruben is polluting my threads with the equivalent of
what one would find in the chamber pot of a man dying of vile diseases (and so,
not something one would want to pick through the details of), I'll simply post my reply
to his, not at all private, message to me on the same subjects, which though I didn't
bother answering point for point, will give you a sound and clear overview of 'his' problem with my character.
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:So, 'billy' Jason,
you still haven't figured out why the smarter ones hand-balled you this:

"Keep pushing and I'll destroy you good and proper.", job.
Billy Ruben wrote:I just sent Alison (I am) an email of this thread with your accusations about Ozpixie.As long as it don't go against their non-disclosure agreement,I asked her to inform Christine of this thread and to please give me information why True Lilly,(mental basket case spastic bitch),why would one of Gods' anointed would make such a claim?

I also asked for information about you madam...not where you live,but what you've done to others and the games and back-stabbing you involve yourself with,thankyou Lulzy for admitting this,it was arsehole game players is why I left DIF in the end,but I might just re-activate my account...and keep a low profile...the rant room is too tempting....And you know why arsehole???I'll rant every thread you've done,lost in the bowels of the rant room...Then,I'll ask Ozpixie to take you to court over your accusations,by using the police,(they'll help her...then when it's thrown out of court cause we just found out you're a registered mental patient...a real one!!!...then I will be ever so sorry I spoke ill to you...and forgive you for your harassment and games you play...if not,you're gonna look stupid,at any rate...and if Ozpixie does cough up...and reveals your lies and games the same as everyone else asserts,then your readers,must be as mental and fucked in the head as you...have a nice day.
So, 'billy' Jason,
you still haven't figured out why the smarter ones hand-balled you this:

"Keep pushing and I'll destroy you good and proper."[color=black], job....'smart'er...
smart, would be to stop trusting idiots to supply 'intelligence',
and to stop expecting that insanity to not backfire.

But if 'YOU' want to KEEP OUTING OZPIXIE, fine.
I'll tell 'you' if it's the same Christine.



So, 'billy' Jason,
you still haven't figured out why the smarter ones hand-balled you this:

"Keep pushing and I'll destroy you good and proper.", job.

It's because you have become a liability TO THEM.
In fact,
all you bitterly chattering monkey's have.

btw... WHAT is IT 'you' claim I'm "pushing"?



I knew you'd post when you thought the coast was clear,or,you got told I logged off,ROFLMAO rolf ,see,I use head,you and your ilk,cheat. Evil or Very Mad
True Lilly admits,tried to worm out..


But if 'YOU' want to KEEP OUTING OZPIXIE, fine.
I'll tell 'you' if it's the same Christine.

t0o late,you already claimed it is her...and that you warned others way back at ATS,which is a heap of a shit forum,the same with Godlike,them and you,would'nt wipe my arse with...

Now,even better,you're not even sure it's the same Ozpixie...not only that,you just displayed your willing to spread rumours with no basis of truth,I'm going to spam every fuckin thread with this now...thankyou,like Manna from heaven in the quest,to slay the dragon known as True Lilly...you got nothing mate...you just lost all your so-called credibilty by yourself,in two short lines...I love you again...Hahahahahahaha


guillotine Laughing rolf lmao popcorn
...But I suppose you all knew that,stupid bint,could'nt get any interest and spread rumours about dogfuckers and babyrapers...where it was probably an uncle or step dad who tricked her out.Anyway,I'd love to see the evidence where she tries to extort the forum for money...pathetic she is,anyway,it's a war and it's grizzley,sorry about this to human eyes,but it's the way it is...
She tried extorting Tintin too,everything she accuses one of,believe me,it's the opposite...she's a true lowlife,see it in the street,don't hit it,don't pity it,expectorate on it...in other words,hawk it right back and spit it heavy in her face,that's what I intend on doing...



Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Anyone of unfounded crimes and atrocities ever again I swear,I'll pursue you to the ends of the Earth,your God,will not protect you...

How dare you,pick on someone that can't even defend themselves.
Do you know how much hurt and pain your stupid little game does,how does mine back to you feel? Get it,myopic slag???
Ozpixie would never be what you accuse her off.

Quote: I Am

Jase,

I would not even show this to ozpixie as I know how much it would upset her and trust me, she does not need this sort of disgusting accusation in her life.

I have been slated by the best of them but really don’t give a toss. I know who I am and my friends and family know who I am.. I have been around long enough that it is water off a duck’s back.

Oz on the other hand is a very sweet lady who is not all that savvy to the hatred spread on the net.

I cannot give you too much information but I can assure you she is not the person true lilly believes she is. Her name is not Christine and she has never met or had any contact with lilly. She is not only not from Ballarat, She is not even from the same state.


How's that for showing what little you really know,eh? But still quite prepared to vomit your bullshit.You got no credibility and you make the Anti-Icke movement look cold and hate-filled with no warrant to be...and for that

I THANK YOU

ANYWAY,YOU'RE NOT GETTING LET OFF,WHILST YOU STILL USE GENERAL FORUM,i WILL HAUNT YOU,BACK IN YOUR DUNGEON DRAGON...AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE,ACCUSE ANYBODY OF ANY SEXUAL CRIME AND I WILL TAUNT AND HAUNT YOU MORE...

THIS WILL NOT END,I WILL AWAIT YOU AND DESTROY EVERY SYLLABLE YOU DARE UTTER IN FUTURE...F*CK YOU,IS THE ORDER FOR EVERYDAY,DRAGON...

cthulhu cthulhu

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Billy Ruben wrote:ANSWER ME YOU GOD WHORE,WHY ACCUSE SOMEONE MEEK AND MILD OF AN ATROCITY THAT SHE COULD'NT EVEN READ ABOUT,LET ALONE PERFORM,WITH NO EVIDENCE AS USUAL,BUT YOU SEEM PRE-OCCUPIED WITH THIS SUBJECT,AND NAMED OZPIXIE WRONG,BUT STILL PERSIST,WHY SPREAD VICIOUS LIES AND RUMOURS,JUST SO PEOPLE WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF YOUR POST,BITCH!!!
I ALSO NOTICED YOU NEVER MENTIONED CIGGY AND I FOR MONTHS,UNTIL YOU FOUND I WAS POSTING AT HPANWO...WAS THIS THE BIGGEST BUNGLE YOU AND YOUR ILK MADE,I KNOW SO,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,F*CK YOU....
ALL THIS JUST TO RAISE YOUR READERSHIP...IF YOU WERE'NT SUCH A SPASTIC,YOU'D STILL BE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE,THE DAVID ICKE FORUMS...NER,NER,NER,NER


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Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:I just sent Alison (I am) an email of this thread with your accusations about Ozpixie.As long as it don't go against their non-disclosure agreement,I asked her to inform Christine of this thread and to please give me information why True Lilly,(mental basket case spastic bitch),why would one of Gods' anointed would make such a claim?

I also asked for information about you madam...not where you live,but what you've done to others and the games and back-stabbing you involve yourself with,thankyou Lulzy for admitting this,it was arsehole game players is why I left DIF in the end,but I might just re-activate my account...and keep a low profile...the rant room is too tempting....And you know why arsehole???I'll rant every thread you've done,lost in the bowels of the rant room...Then,I'll ask Ozpixie to take you to court over your accusations,by using the police,(they'll help her...then when it's thrown out of court cause we just found out you're a registered mental patient...a real one!!!...then I will be ever so sorry I spoke ill to you...and forgive you for your harassment and games you play...if not,you're gonna look stupid,at any rate...and if Ozpixie does cough up...and reveals your lies and games the same as everyone else asserts,then your readers,must be as mental and fucked in the head as you...have a nice day.

and just to let the discerning reader know...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Mental Patient,since you assert that you can answer questions,without spam I hope,...

What justifies you calling Christine/Ozpixie a goat fucker and that she makes men do it for bribery purposes???

Would you not consider that the men would rather f*ck Ozpixie than goats...but the possibilty is,that the men might rather f*ck a goat than some broken shrunken imp of a person such as yourself???

Why do you always label people goat,dog/fuckers,peadophiles?I have,but they and I know the truth of it...Even proved a few things that go on deaf ears.

You're sick Suzy,real sick...if you get sanctioned in a mental home,I'll forgive you,but you're on the street being a danger to yourself and everybody else...I can con a mental health team Suzy,5 minute chat with you,they'll never let you out,they hate God botherers the most in psyche-wards,drug the absolute crap out of them...


Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:

So,where is the sex/porn spam,do you still think beastiality is natural sex???You see,Lilly,it's about interpretations,what you view as natural and loving,the law of the land regards as perverse and criminal...but in danger of giving the judge an erection
...and your 'double speak' is so weak and transparent...could it be that
you are the local horse rapist that the judges keep letting off...
true lilly wrote:sadly, some 'sick puppies' are so sick, a bullet's their only 'cure'... ...
... or you could simply 'you' 'ninny' 'billy' goat shagger's...

...umm, so 'you' do 'know' Christine in your satanic biblical sense, that local
animal raping ex-copper's witch...
...she couldn't get enough of making men fcuk goats...them blackmailing them...
...to stay in her sick death circles forever...I did warn people about her, years ago,
back in the ATS days...mind you, she and her ilk are a dime a dozen cheap slags...
...I'm sure you can find another if she's no longer available...now go, to
your own kind...I can't even pity you...


Are you kidding...No,this comes from the lips of True Lilly,it's all batshit...

Lilly,stop telling lies and no,I don't know Christine/OzPixie...Imagine that eh?David Icke Forum Moderators are either Illuminati Shills like Dark Eternal or goat fucking satanist like OzPixie,cause True Lilly tells me so...

No Lilly,I don't think they'll let you back on DIF....EVER.


DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN TRUE LILLY,EVERYONE YOU TAKE A DISLIKE TOO,IS PAINTED A GOATFUCKER,BABYFUCKER OR SOMETHING ELSE.YOU HAVE ISSUES IN THIS AREA,AND IT'S ALL TO DO WITH YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOURSELF.IF YOU WERE MADE TO DO THINGS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG,IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT,IF YOU INSTIGATED IT,THEN GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON...YOU POINT THE FINGER SUZY,BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED YOU OUT,READ YOUR PM ABOUT YOUR FAMILY...


Billy Ruben wrote:This is not such a bad way to go actually,my way,I would've destroyed you,but the fall-out for me would be just as bad...this way,we can deal with the FACTS as you've claimed...

Once you have no credibilty,you can post spam to the wall,cause there is no-way anyone will believe you...Hey,how come you have'nt called in the cavalry??? (hOrSeY-Palomino)...when it gets out of control you usually sink to every method that you accuse David Icke and Tintin of...
Gang-stalking,harassment,etc...when the dust settles,was that one little lie that kicked this all off a year ago,...Was it All Worth It?

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Nothing 'private' about this, 'you' 'ninny nong'...

So, which is it?
"Billy Ruben" makes a serious threat, or, he's all lying talk?


From Billy Ruben To true lilly, Today at 4:28 pm
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true lilly wrote:
So, you still haven't figured out why the smarter ones hand-balled you this:
"Keep pushing and I'll destroy you good and proper.", job.
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quote:Billy Ruben


your a goner mate...
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Either way...'you & Ciggy' simply shouldn't have spammed, my one thread,
with 'you & Ciggy's' endless public 'conversations' about 'you & Ciggy's'
'beliefs' on when a child is too young or too related to lust after
, and then
stepped up 'your' phone and on line harassment, when I asked 'you', again,
to remove that, utterly sick, way off topic, 'conversation' of 'yours',
from my thread, that was 'chopped up' to have 'those conversations'
of 'you & Ciggy', head and end the pages, as if it where my topic...and then cry,
rant, libel, make endless personal threats and try to sound like 'you'
AND 'your' supportive ASSOCIATES are 'good guys'.


Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.

this is what I mean't you're a goner,you think I'd martyr you...hehehehe,that's how you think,idiot,no,a living permanenet death...I destroyed every credible shred you ever had or beLIEved you had.

This is what I am had to say,the truth...you're a disgusting spiteful shitbag of a person Suzy Ryan...if I get a chance,I'll f*ck you over in court
...Alison won't even show Ozpixie your stuff and I don't blame her,Ozpixie to me was like an Aussie Antiem,a very nice young lady,but Antiem shocked me with her strengths,I always thought Ozpixie was a little softy,like Curtain Cat,very lovely girls...You spiteful stale withered shitbag of a woman,I HATE you properly now...and have no shame in how I treat you,exactly how I treat demons,what I say to them,made them weep...you I will break...I am an old demon in transition,anything that tries stopping me in future,I'll swat,as I do to roaches...





the only thing being threatened is what little credibilty you think you had...call the police,go on,dare you,send your bald headed mate up,I'm in pretty good shape compared to yesterday.F*CK YOU!!!

sucked in...you make me ill...


True Lilly,puts her foot in it:
Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.


Thankyou Suzy,that's exactly what I said,spam a True Lilly shitbox thread to make it interesting and you get painted as a child molester...exactly what I've been saying.

The only disappointing aspect,is you're proving me dead-on with no effort needed,this is all to easy...


THIS SUPER-SPAM CAN BE ALOT OF FUN AND ANNOYANCE,THANKYOU TRUE LILLY,FOR INTIATING ME IN THE SCHOOL OF SECRET ARTS...


Billy Ruben wrote:yeah,we remember the car-bombing,you lied and bullshitted about that one too...and sent us a pic of some woman walking a dog as proof,yeah,credible honest god fearing suzy fuckwit ryan...

Billy Ruben wrote:NOW THAT YOU SLYLY ADMIT YOU'RE TORTURING THOSE CATS IN YOUR YARD,LIKE I ALWAYS SUSPECT A PATHETIC SLAG LIKE YOU TO DO,JUST TO UPSET ME,WELL F*CK YOU SUZY RYAN,A CAT'S LIFE IS WORTH MORE THAN A 1000 OF YOURS,I DON'T CARE WHO SEES THIS OR DISGUSTED WITH ME OR EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT,BUT I SWEAR,I'LL CATCH UP WITH YOU AND TEACH YOU WHAT PAIN IS...I SPENT 4 HOURS ON THE NET,LAST NIGHT USING THE WHITE PAGES,BITCH LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A REGISTERED ADDRESS ON A NORMAL PHONE LINE,SO YEAH,I' NOT TAKING YOUR SHIT THIS TIME...FUCKING DIE BITCH...

GINGER AND WHITE CATS I LOVE AND ADORE,I WAS LAST YEAR,GOING TO DRIVE THERE JUST TO TAKE ONE OR TWO OFF YOUR HANDS...BUT F*CK YOU...YOU DEAD TO ME...

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I might just start hunting around for what I really believe,you've been lying about money and more than one occassion try to extort or will it away from people.

YOU SEE TRUE LILLY,YOU'RE SO LUCKY,TINTIN IS SUCH A GENTLEMAN WITH INTEGRITY AND WOULD'NT WASTE HIS TIME ARGUING WITH A SCHIZOID LIKE YOU,SULLYING HIS NAME TO DEFEND AGAINST YOUR LIES AND ACCUSATIONS...OTHERWISE,I'D UTILIZE EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO BREAK YOU.NO HOLDS BARRED.MY NAME IS MUD LONG AGO,SO DO YOU THINK I CARE HOW I LOOK,NO....BUT MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN YOU WILL EVER BE,CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE A NORMAL PERSON.NOTICE KABONG AND I HAVE A GOOD TIME IN THAT WOODSTOCK THREAD AND YOU COME ALONG,SEE,THERE'S NOTHING TO YOU BUT MINDLESS LIES AND DRIVEL....HAHAHAHAHAHA,I STILL HAVE MY FAMILY AFTER REAL TRIALS MADAM,I DO MORE OF GODS WORK THAN YOU'LL EVER COMPREHEND,YOU'RE NOTHING...BUT A MORONIC SCHIZOID AND A DANGEROUS ONE... thumbs up
I FIND THE UNHIVED MIND INTERESTING,THANKS TO SOD LEAVING THAT LINK,IT SHOWS A PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME-LINE FOR THIS FRUITBAT,SUZY RYAN/TRUE LILLY,AND OF COURSE,THE LACK OF INTEREST IN HER POST,ZERO REPLIES AND TWO OR THREE DOZEN READS OVER 5 YEARS,SO YEAH,VERY TELLING,THAT'S WHY SHE BAITS AND LIES EVERYBODY,CAUSE,AS IN HER REAL LIFE,EVERYONE INCLUDING HER FAMILY ABANDONED HER,CAUSE THEY COULD'NT TAKE THE HURT AND PAIN SHE CAUSED THEM,OVER THIS LOVE FOR DEMONS,THAT SHE THINKS IS GOD.SUZY,YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LOVING,SPIRITUAL PSYCHIC SIDE,TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIGHER REALMS,YOU'RE A BOTTOM FEEDER...YOU'RE TALKING SHIT,SCHIZO OR POSSESSED...

BUT ANYWAY,SOD GIVES HER CREDIT AS UNBENDING,I SAY,STUPID AND STUBBORN,WHICH COST HER THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE,HER LOVING FAMILY,THAT SHE LOST,THANK GOD THE HUSBAND WAS ABLE TO HOLD THE KIDS TOGETHER...THAT IS ALL FOR NOW...

JEALOUSY OF TINTIN'S SUCCESS AND INTEGRITY,NOW HE HAS REAL FRIENDS AND FOLLOWERS AND A NICE GERMAN GIRL CALLED CORI BY HIS SIDE,HE'S A SUCCESS AS HE WORKED HARD FOR HIS ORIGINAL POINT OF VIEW...I COMMEND HIM AND RECOMMEND YOU READING HIS WORKS,HE MUST BE GOOD,TO BE HARRASSED BY THIS STUPID WOMAN WHO LOST HER OWN KIDS IN THIS BITTER JEALOUS ONE WOMAN WAR


Billy Ruben wrote:Ya know True Lilly,after what you said today about this being my version of Tintin's thread,I realised,not just what you did to your own family,but you are that stupid,to believe this was some genuine attempt at re-interpretting the news...it's not,it's a pisstake out of you,for ripping off what Craig Oxley's Forum was in honour of,the True Fallen,the True Speakers of conspiracy,and you stole that credence,and invented a story about car-bombings and being beaten up,so you could feel like one of them and con yourself into believing you're legit.See,you're a liar,but not a good one.

I know you hold information on that PC more than 5 years old,somewhere,you would have evidence and would've used it if real...you have'nt and remain,one of the all-time frauds in Conspiracy Land and not to be trusted.



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Post  Billy Ruben on Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:30 am

JUST RANG THE LYING COW,SHE AVOIDED ALL THE QUESTIONS HAD NOTHING TO SAY AND HER SPEECH WAS SO SLOWED AND SLURRED,SHE WAS DOSED UP ON SOMETHING,PITY,IT DOES'NT REMOVE HER DELUSIONS ABOUT EVERYONE SHE INTERACTS WITH.I WROTE HER OFF,NO SWEARING OR THREATS AND LAUGHED IN HER FACE FOR DESTROYING HER CREDIBILTY (VERY LITTLE OF) AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE DENIES AND SPAMS AWAY,EVERYONE CAN SEE IT AND SHE'LL NEVER RECOVER FROM IT."sHE SAYS,I GOT TO GO NOW,THANKYOU",IN THAT HIDEOUS PIXIE SHIT TONE VOICE OF HERS,UGLY OUTSIDE AND UGLY TO THE BONE THAT ONE IS...THIS IS VICTORY...THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STEP WAY OVER THE LINE,FOR TOO LONG,THIS HAS BEEN COMING...SHE'S SO UGLY,YOU GOT NO IDEA,THE VULGARNESS OF ITS VOICE,HIDEOUS.HERE'S HER PHONE NUMBER:0424705576...SORRY,I CHOSE BROWN,BROWN FOR POOP THAT DRIVELS OUT HER MOUTH...

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