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Post  MoMo on Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:16 am

The shit4brainz fuktards of DIFtardia management thought they could deceive everybody by changing their #1 New Age Neo Nazis name from eternalspirit to positive forward............same asshole, same hateful bullshit and lies........well done DIFtards!!! wave satan adolf


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Post  mervyn_perving on Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:24 am

Mother said to me

Merv yo have blue eyes and blonde hair ,Adolf would let you live ,your a good looker ,So id be a hypocrite sell out if i was against NAZISM ,

Something that appreciates me ,One thing in life is adolf views ,Anyway i only kill truthers so

the only thing that makes a sheep become a truther is the EGO ,the knowing that they are owned by SPECAIL rich handsome familys.

i see no difference in fathers bathin babys then lord josef rothshchild showing nat some nurting and romance ....

proves there brainwashed with ,The rules set from mothers mouth ,Mother is the umpire ,She is the twat.

soon as people here PEEDO they get all righteous and become demonic and animal .......

they al cry PALESTINE ,as if they care tutututut ,They dont ,ITS A FRONT

WE ARE ALL BASTARDS

I HAVE LOOKED AT SCHOOL GIRLS WITH NICE JUGS AND THOUGHT ,DAMN ID NAIL YOU EVERYWHERE ..

So what

jew me sue me

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Re: The Sick Mind & Degenerate Mentality of Eternalspirit-aka-Positive Forward

Post  MoMo on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:39 am


A Thread originated by eternalspirit.now listed as: INACTIVE..........
White slaves the truth they never told you

all the asshole moderators/managers at DIFtardia did was change the assholes name to: Positive Forward. thumbs up

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That's called revenge for being murdered and opressed for centuries by the English, some were possible false flags, a bit off topic though. Let's keep this thread on topic thanks.

33,000 posts and still going..................................hey Icke......................I'm not as stoooooooooooooopid as you and your management team look and behave.......just sayin'..............

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Re: The Sick Mind & Degenerate Mentality of Eternalspirit-aka-Positive Forward

Post  MoMo on Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:19 am

yeah.....this asshole with his new name is going hot and heavy in the holocaust denial thread........................

Shining a bright light on the New Age Neo Nazi cockroaches at the david icke forum. thumbs up

lmao rolf
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whistle thinking hmm wacky boobies

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The New Age Neo Nazi cockroache mods got rid of most of the opposing voices so now the New Age Neo Nazi cockroaches can have their circle jerk of hate and lies without interupption............notice this thread of holocaust denial........some real 'pros' have arrived..........specious 'claims' and 'allegations' without any factual support.........exposing icke as a holocaust denier... thumbs up

check out: Believe Nothing .a real 'Pro'.........................a real professional New Age Neo Nazi cockroach

Concrete evidence for that the Holocaust happened

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188378

posters such as myself and dogsmilk and others that refuted the lies of the revisionist have been silenced, allowing them to spread their demonic hatred without opposition............ultimately they will fail and when the 'Bill comes due' for their hatred they will cry and plead ignorance..................


eternalspirit...AKA.positive forward.......this abject moron has a new hero, a bigger abject moron, who doesn't know what the definition of genocide is...................
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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061010847&postcount=1842

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061010847&postcount=1842

as always, many of them claim to be christian and believe 'jesus' denying He was/is a Jew, a vain attempt to rewrite history like they do with the holocaust.............Believe Nothing claims the Jews/Israelis are waging GENOCIDE ont he palestinians.........that 'jesus' hated the Jews .


Simple research provides a plethora of evidence that refutes his delusional, insane 'beliefs'.


Palestinian 'Genocide'..actual demographics................

Myths & Facts Online: A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/mftoc.html

Index of Myths

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFindex.html


http://www.factsandlogic.org/ad_72.html

there is no shortage of truth that refutes these new age neo nazis lies..........they simply ignore facts/reality and prefer to embrace hateful deceit..........

BIG LIES:
Demolishing The Myths
of the Propaganda War Against Israel


http://archive.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/biglies.pdf

So, is Israel really committing a genocide with the Palestinians?

http://www.eretzyisrael.org/is-israel-committing-a-genocide.html

If one listens to anti-Israel rhetoric, it is often spoken about how Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people. But this disgusting libel couldn’t be further from the truth. Consider the following.

First of all, what exactly is genocide? The dictonary states that it is the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Israel has never targeted the Palestinian people or those of Arab ethnicity for a genocide. In Israel, Arab citizens have equal rights to Israeli ones. Over half of Israeli Arabs have stated, in various polls [1] [2] [3], that they would not give up their Israeli citizenship for citizenship in a Palestinian state. Why would they wish to retain their Israeli nationality if a genocide were being committed against them?

And how about Palestinians who don’t have Israeli citizenship, those that live in Gaza and Judea and Samaria? Debunking a genocide there is a case of simple statistics.

From 2000, 4,228 Palestinians have been killed. In 2007, 65% of Palestinian deaths resulted from internal conflict rather than Israeli operations. 59% of civilian casualties otherwise were a result of an Israeli military operation. 69% of Israeli casualties were civilian. The source for this is the United Nations itself. Numbers such as these do not represent a genocide, in which large amounts of people are killed by others in a short span of time.

From the founding of the State of Israel (1948 to now), somewhere between 15,000 and 1.5 million Palestinians have been killed - I have not been able to find a constant statistic at all, as many different sites had different numbers. This number is inclusive of civilian casualties, militant casualties, Palestinian infighting, and Palestinians killed by other Arabs (such as those who died in the Black September War with Jordan). In comparison, 14 million people were killed by Hitler in a span of approximately six years, 1.7 million people in Cambodia in a span of four years, and 800,000 people killed in 100 days in Rwanda, almost all civilian and almost none from infighting.

Also, Palestinian population growth is immense. From 1990, the population has doubled in size. Such demographic trends do not occur when a genocide is present. thumbs up wave Yoo Hoo
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c'mon over and chat with me............okay..........don't be a chiknshit new age neo nazi sissy..........you'll never win the war like that................ thumbs up lmao rolf butt



Israel also gives more aid to the Palestinian territories than any other nation. Just a few days ago, on September 26th, Israel sent more than 7,000 tons of goods, gas, and even construction materials to Gaza. Regardless as to why you believe the Palestinians need aid, it cannot be disputed that Israel is their biggest supplier. A nation committing genocide does not give such charity to the people they are supposedly trying to kill.

Refuting genocide in Israel/Palestine is a very basic and yet is quite a necessary thing to do. Don’t be brainwashed by such a hateful claim that is, as you have just learned, hideous propaganda.

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Re: The Sick Mind & Degenerate Mentality of Eternalspirit-aka-Positive Forward

Post  MoMo on Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:56 pm

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Post  MoMo on Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:02 pm


check it out!! thumbs up lmao rolf popcorn cheese

these newage neonazis are really a special kind of stoopid............supernaturally stooooooopid............worse then ziggy. thumbs up

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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=206108


shotokan( avery special idiot/moron indeed............sumbody tell him/her their signature is a bullshit lie......lol
Rodin,
good to see you are advertising the site of "zion crime factory". Some excellent information and research to be found on that site , and absolutely no bullshit, good man, we need everybody to visit there.
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phigment (another very special shit4brainz newageneonazi.....lol:The Zionist elite plan to control the world


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=215839 thumbs up lmao rolf




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First they cut their penises, then they suck them dry!

Make sure they're marked - no escape!


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216460






zephirop, cuntfaced idiot/moron cocksucking bitch:
Are you pro-Israel?
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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216137

but the penultimate shit eating, cock sucking idiot newage neo nazi is david icke, who posts under the psuedonym: rodin..........it's so obvious...............this thread takes the cake................all time champion of newage neonazi buffoonery..............well done rodin/david icke. thumbs up lmao rolf popcorn ... thumbs up

rodin/david shit4brainzicke:Nuclear bombs are a Jewish hoax like everything is


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=197113

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Post  MoMo on Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:05 pm

sharky wrote:Undercover at David Ickes Forum lmao thumbs up rolf


David Ickes Forum remains a cess pool of fearmongering and hate mongering justified by false, bullshit propaganda..................normally I'm very optimistic, but with the amount of shit 4 brainz idiots posting there, peace on earth is yet far off............I really feel sorry for these fools and the Icke management team has proven themselves to be deceitful, hatemongering, fear mongering Nazi Zombies.................. cheers wave

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Re: The Sick Mind & Degenerate Mentality of Eternalspirit-aka-Positive Forward

Post  MoMo on Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:26 am

The Holocaust deniers at DIFtardia have successfully had all opposing voices banned by Ickes new age neo nazi moderators...............facts are irrelevant in the pursuit of their deranged and demented ideology. thumbs up

Be that as it may there are case studies and trial precedents which may be used to shove a sharp stick up ickes well fuked ass, thus, by proxy, shoving that sharp stick up the well fuked asses of all of davies new age neo nazi zombies........ thumbs up wave

Should there be a brave and valiant soul who wishes to engage these lying shit4brains sacks of poo.....here is some very useful, credentialed historical evidence......unlike the psuedohistorians and psuedorevisionists now ruling at DIFtardia who deliberately lie and decieve...............


http://www.hdot.org/

Irving v. Lipstadt: Denial on Trial

In 1996 British Holocaust denier David Irving sued professor Deborah Lipstadt for alleged libel. Three courts found for Lipstadt concluding that Irving was a Holocaust denier, an anti-Semite and a racist. The unedited trial documents found below document this important victory for truth and history.


Holocaust denial suffered a sharp blow as a result of the Irving v. Lipstadt trial, however deniers and so-called "revisionists" continue to publicize their ideologically skewed version of history. We provide up-to-date news, links and resources on denial and its continued impact on culture.


An excellent book which illuminates the deniers tactics and agenda........with hard, verified, credentialed evidence they refute all the specious lies the deniers are swamping DIFtardia forums..........

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188378


Denying History: Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened, and Why do the Say It?

http://atheism.about.com/library/books/summary/aaprDenyHistory.htm

Pros

• All major arguments from deniars are covered
• Explains who the revisionists are and what their psychology is
• Explains how historical knowledge is acquired

Cons

• None

The Bottom Line - This is probably the best book out there on holocaust denial (revisionism), detailing their arguments and the refutations, their psychology, and how historical knowledge generally can be acquired and considered valid.

Covers the nature and arguments of Holocaust Revisionism
Covers the people who engage in revisionism and what their psychology is like
Explains the nature and process of acquiring historical knowledge

Holocaust & Denial
Did the Holocaust happen? For many if not most people, the answer to this question is an easy "yes." But there are a few who insist "no," that the Holocaust did not happen and that there was no systematic, organized effort to exterminate the Jews in Europe. Why do people argue this, and who are they? Are they truly the skeptics they claim to be, or are they using skepticism as an excuse to pursue some other agenda?

Shermer and Grobman through this book reveal that Holocaust Denial is not skepticism, and that the revisionists are not being genuinely skeptical. Honest skepticism involves an inquisitive attitude which, as far as is humanly possible, is not marred by political or ethnic prejudices. Skepticism also involves a willingness to follow the evidence wherever it leads, rather than ignoring that which does not fit preconceived desires.


Let truth reign!!! Truth is true love....................

David Icke and his new age neo nazi minions lie...................lying is hateful.

YOU..................have Free Will.........base your decision on the best information possible...........


https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

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Post  MoMo on Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:52 am

New Poll at DIFtardia..............the hoi poloi are seeking a LOGO for DIFtardia...........


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061040266&postcount=1


Symbol or motive for icke forum

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Do you think we should have a symbol or a motif for the David Icke forum.

an insignia to show that we belong or favor D.I views and believes.

scared

i wouldnt suggest a reptilian badge or logo, just something that goes with his believes, like an anti establishment logo with red line though it,

just an idea.




here's an appropriate symbol..........................easy peasy................... thumbs up






or this.......................................





or perhaps this....................................... popcorn




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Post  MoMo on Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:23 pm

mervyn_perving wrote:why you so hateful


Amigo/a.....you've been jerking off way too much.......whilst you masturbate Icke and hiz neo nazis minions proceed apace...............read some of the Data I provide...........it is of much higher quality then the new age bullshit so popular at DIFtardia and sum webanarchists........the curious thing is that in the face of credentialed/proven data that refutes their hateful claims and propaganda they continue to promote their hated and division bASED UPON LIES AND BULLSHIT......WHY?.. thumbs up

The Conspiracy World Is Changing. Are You Ready For It?

http://muertos.blog.com/2012/02/18/the-conspiracy-world-is-changing-are-you-ready-for-it/


...............The best and most concise way I can put it is this: conspiracy theorists do not want, today in 2012, what they used to want ten, five or even three years ago. The endgame for them—the “finish line,” if you will—is no longer to convince significant numbers of people in the mainstream that Conspiracy Theory X or Y is factually true. Nowadays, conspiracy theories are being used as a vehicle to advance other ideas, usually a set of ideological or even religious principles. The factual veracity of conspiracy material is no longer as important as it once was. Consequently, debunkers of conspiracy theories—who are focused on what is factual, rational and supportable in objective terms—are going to find themselves increasingly outclassed in this new environment. Before we get there, however, a history of sorts is needed.............................



http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/

Why We Fight: Progressive Leader Who Repudiated Thrive Explains Why Its Conspiracy Theories Are Harmful. thumbs up

http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/why-we-fight-progressive-leader-who-repudiated-thrive-explains-why-its-conspiracy-theories-are-harmful/




.................But fantasies about secret conspiracies distract us from the work at hand. Those few who hold immense wealth and power are still people. They are not reptiles in human form. They are perhaps pathologically competitive or greedy, but still human, riven with differences and egos, and not particularly good at sustaining relationships, much less of organizing massive secret cabals to dominate all life on this planet......................


Paranoid Utopia: The Nightmare World That sHIT4BRAINZ CONSPIRACISTS Would Give Us.

http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/paranoid-utopia-the-nightmare-world-that-thrive-would-give-us/

The Conspiravy Theorists are fond of stressing that they want a better world. Their ideas for creating a better world involve, first and foremost, ending the conspiracies that they insist are screwing up the planet, and second, implementing far right-wing libertarian political and economic ideology on a broad scale.

As I wrote in a blog a few months ago about how the world of conspiracy theories is changing, Thrive represents a progression along the road of using conspiracy theories to sell a particular ideology. Zeitgeist: The Movie pioneered this idea, but Thrive has taken it a step farther. Thrive is aimed at a new generation of conspiracy theorists who aren’t satisfied merely to spread their erroneous versions of what they think the facts are, but to remake the world in an image more to their liking.

jawdrop

The problem, of course, is that the conspiracy theories are false, and their adherents’ ideas for changing the world are based on an incorrect and often downright delusional view of reality. That means that their solutions will have very severe unintended consequences, because their solutions aren’t aimed at solving real problems in the real world, but rather solving fake problems that exist only in their fantasy world. This blog will explore what sort of world we might end up with if these people had their way......................................................


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Post  MoMo on Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:40 pm

mervyn_perving wrote:yes i agree

animals seeking truth

will get us fucked

am a spirtualist ,no need for hitler ,

animals ......

oh no they got there way

david icke is okay ,just needs his jaw broke know and again ,good guy

NO!!! you simpering jerk off idiot...................icke is NOT 'okay' and he is NOT a'good guy'....he is a proven liar, thief, and creates hatred and division amongst humans using lies and deceit........get your head out of your ass hombre.............icke is a mentally deranged paranoid delusional narcissist.........and he exploits people for his own monetary gain..wut r u? sum kind of idiot???...




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Post  MoMo on Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:15 pm

Even as I Post, over at DIFtardia, the skanky piece of shit eternal spirit, now Positive Forward..........continues to lie about the Talmud.....he rightfully is pissed at a radical rabbi, not representative of the majority, but then proceeds to bolster his argument with lies, like david icke and his moderators who protect and endorse his hatred......notice eternal spirit is 'inactive', whilst positive forward is quite 'active...........it's one and the same assclown............the pieces of shit at DIFtardia have been made aware these Talmud quotes they use are false yet they persist in using them as the above article demonstrates it is to further their ideological agenda. thumbs up

THE LIES

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061041982#post1061041982

The Truth

Tosefta, Tractate Erubin VIII

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

There are a number of important points in this passage. First, we see that stealing from a gentile is undeniably forbidden. The Talmud emphasizes this by explaining a difficult verse in Leviticus. As we have seen, this passage has been accepted throughout the post-Talmudic literature. Another important point is that annulling a loan from a gentile is permitted. Normally, a loan is witnessed and documented to make it legally effective. When this is not done, a Jew is still obligated to take pity on his lender despite the lack of legal proof. Even though the lender was careless and neglected to properly document his business dealing, a Jew must go beyond the letter of the law and have mercy on his hapless colleague. However, this brotherly act need only extend to this borrower's extended family. A Jew is only obligated to go beyond the letter of common business law for his Jewish brothers and cousins. Those who are not part of his extended family, part of his organic nation, are treated fairly and respectfully but do not receive the special treatment reserved for his family..................................


http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/theft.html

Just as when I started this thread, the lying sack of shit known as 'eternal spirit'..........now posting as Positive Forward, continues to lie...........the asshole is a loser on welfare and blames his indolence on lizards and joooz just like hiz protector david icke and sean and the moderators..they banned me because I effectively slapped the shit out of their pussy new age neo nazis..........with FACTS & TRUTH & LUV......meeeeeeeeeow!!!!





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Post  MoMo on Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:57 pm

I'm a gonna keep shining a bright light on these new age neo nazi cockroaches......... thumbs up lmao rolf cheese

[url=adl.org/presrele/asus_12/4232_12.asp]adl.org/presrele/asus_12/4232_12.asp[/url]

ADL Says Extremists Use The Talmud to Promote Anti-Semitism

Icke, eternal spirit/positive forward, dolores1 and others at DIFtardia all fit the bill........... thumbs up

http://www.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/the_talmud.pdf

The Talmud in Anti-Semitic Polemics
Preface
Recently there has been a renewal of attacks on Judaism and Jews through
recycling of old accusations and distortions about the Talmud. Anti-
Talmud tracts were originally developed in the Middle Ages as Christian
polemics against Judaism, but today they emanate from a variety of
Christian, Moslem and secular sources. Sometimes such “studies” have
blatantly anti-Semitic tones; sometimes they are more subtle. Yet all of
them remain as false and pernicious today as they did in the Middle Ages.
Because of their unfortunate frequent reappearance, there is a need to
formally rebut these accusations and canards. The Anti-Defamation
League developed the following essay that explains in an honest and
scholarly way the Talmudic teachings as understood by Jewish religious
authorities..................................


sooo...........the question is: Since I and numerous other Posters have previously informed the degenerates like Positive forward, and the moderators and icke himself.....that these are lies......what is their excuse for the continued lying.???..........in a Court of Law they will have no tangible defense........they cannot honestly plead ignorance........though they remain ignorant on many, many truths and subjects.the Talmud is not one of them.....dolores1 repeatedly Posts the lies about the Kol Nidre and so do many other of the degenerate new age neo nazis...............








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Post  MoMo on Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:38 pm


Cowardice asks the question - is it safe?
Expediency asks the question - is it politic?
Vanity asks the question - is it popular?
But conscience asks the question - is it right?
And there comes a time when one must take a position
that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular;
but one must take it because it is right.

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Martin Luther King on Anti-Zionism

When approached by a student who attacked Zionism, Dr. King responded: “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism.”

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Post  MoMo on Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:47 pm

Positive Forward/eternal spirit.......ickes #1 proxy mouthpiece for holocaust denial and jew hate is busy, busy, busy. Probably because he is unemployable/lazier then dirt he has no girlfriend, money or job so he can sit on his lazy ass and post proven, debunked hate speech all day and night with ickes, seans, and his moderators blessings. They know his mateial is deceptive bullshit yet it is promoted by them....ergo.their claims of not being anti-semitic jew haters are lame. They banned me because I rode that fool like a rodeo pony, constantly refuting his lies. thumbs up

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061042399&postcount=1892

This commercially available pesticide was widely used before, during and after the Second World War by private companies, governmental agencies and military forces throughout Europe. It was frequently used by the German armed forces, including the SS, to delouse clothing and other effects, and to kill insects and rodents in buildings.

It is commonly believed that SS men used Zyklon to kill millions of Jews in gas chambers at Auschwitz and other German camps. But in fact SS men used Zyklon to help prevent camp inmates' deaths. They deployed it in very large quantities at Auschwitz and other wartime concentration camps by fumigating barracks, by delousing clothing in special gas chambers, and so forth, to destroy disease-bearing vermin.note 7
Combatting Typhus at Auschwitz


this asshole 'claims' that zyclon b was used to help inmates..........the fact is: Delousing garments/blankets etc..would take approximately 8-12 hours.to kill humans 20-30 minutes.

He actually has the temerity to cut & paste from the 'Institute of Historical Research'........soundz impressive eh..........NOT................a Neo Nazi think tank specializing in Psuedo History and Psuedo Revision.

This shithole has been thoroughly exposed and debunked by credentialed, actual historians...and icke and his new age neo nazi minion moderators know this.

Is it any wonder I refer to them as pieces of shit? It may not be pleasant/nice but it is true..... thumbs up




http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/butz.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=butz

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/w/

the 'author' of his post..............mark weber


WEBER, MARK

Mark Weber works for the Institute for Historical Review
(Costa Mesa, California), one of several antisemitic
organizations founded by Willis A. Carto. The I.H.R. devotes
most of its time to spreading the bizarre notion that the
Holocaust is wildly exaggerated and that the gas chambers of
Hitler's death camps are a myth. In 1978, Weber was identified
as the news editor of the National Vanguard, the publication of
William Pierce's neo-Nazi group, the National Alliance.

Weber's name came up in several conversations with German
neo-Nazis, including Wolfgang Kempkens and Roy Godenau. As part
of Ron Furey's cover, a "cold" phone line at the Simon Wiesenthal
Center was attached to an answering machine informing the caller
that he/she had reached The Right Way. That phone number was
known only to the Center's senior research staff, Ron Furey, and
the neo-Nazis to whom it was given.


here is the source of positive forward/eternal spirits psuedo history.

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http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/ihr/

The Institute for Historical Review was founded in 1979 by Lewis Brandon, who also served as the first director. (Lewis Brandon is an alias for William David McCalden, a British neo-fascist who in 1975 had founded Britain's National Party, a break-away from the notorious neo-Nazi National Front.)

The IHR operates under the umbrella of the Legion for Survival of Freedom, a registered non-profit corporation in the State of Texas.

The Institute for Historical Review is the moving force in the movement to deny the Holocaust. Its initial meeting was opened by Willis Carto, who also funds the organization, and whom some (including Dennis King, author of the 1989 work "Lyndon LaRouche and the New American Fascism") credit with starting it. No matter - with McCalden out of the way (he left the IHR, and has since died), the IHR was Carto's mouthpiece, until his forced ouster in late 1994.

Among the speakers at the 1980 convention were the Swede, Ditlieb Felderer, convicted and institutionalised in his country, and the Frenchman, Robert Faurisson, convicted in his country of libel and promoting racism and expelled from his University (though he still misrepresents himself as member of its faculty)................................


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Historical_Review

Although the Institute for Historical Review comments on a variety of subjects, it is most noted (and criticized) for its Holocaust denial.[2] Critics have accused the Institute of antisemitism and having links to neo-Nazi organizations, and assert that its primary focus is denying key facts of Nazism and the genocide of Jews and others.[3][4][5]

The United Kingdom's Channel 4 describes the IHR as a "pseudo-academic body based in the United States which is dedicated to denying that the Holocaust happened,"[6] while the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette called the IHR a "blatantly anti-Semitic assortment of pseudo-scholars".[17] The Daily Star, the leading English language paper in Lebanon, in response to a planned IHR meeting in the country called the IHR "loathsome pseudo-historians" and an "international hate group," and reported "as one former PLO official has put it, 'with friends like that, we don't need enemies'."[18].....................................Criticism of methods

The IHR is not regarded as conducting historical research by mainstream historians and academics, but rather as conducting pseudo-science aimed at proving that the Holocaust did not happen. The editorial board of one of the leading historical journals, the Journal of American History, wrote, "We all abhor, on both moral and scholarly grounds, the substantive arguments of the Institute for Historical Review. We reject their claims to be taken seriously as historians."[23]

In 2001, Eric Owens, a former employee, alleged that Mark Weber and Greg Raven from the IHR's staff had been planning to sell their mailing lists to either the Anti-Defamation League or the Church of Scientology.[24]

In April 2004, following a complaint by the David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, The Nation magazine refused to accept advertising from the IHR, stating "[T]here is a strong presumption against censoring any advertisement, especially if we disagree with its politics. This case, however, is different. Their arguments are 'patently fraudulent.'"[25].....................Journal of Historical Review
The IHR published the non-peer reviewed Journal of Historical Review, which its critics (including the ADL, the Danish Center for Holocaust and Genocide studies, and other scholars, such as Robert Hanyok, a National Security Agency historian,[26]) accused of being pseudo-scientific.[27] When Noam Chomsky defended an author who wrote articles for the journal (Dr. Robert Faurisson), it led to great controversy, though Chomsky insisted he was defending Faurisson's right to free speech rather than any specific claims made in his articles.

The journal, History Teacher, wrote of the Journal of Historical Review that the "magazine is shockingly racist and antisemitic: articles on 'America's Failed Racial Policy' and anti-Israel pieces accompany those about gas chambers... They clearly have no business claiming to be a continuation of the revisionist tradition, and should be referred to as 'Holocaust Deniers'." [28]

The journal commenced publication in the spring of 1980 as a quarterly periodical. Publication was suspended in 1986-87, and thereafter continued until 2002. Publication of the journal was halted in 2002 due to "lack of staff and funding", according to the organization's website
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so it's okay for the new age neo nazi psuedo historians to engage in psuedo revisionism fostering hatred. Icke, sean and the moderators sanction and protect this asshole. proof they are phoneys and their talk of love is rubbish..........they are charlatanns of the worst type.

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/historical_review.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=3&item=ihr


Director: Mark Weber


IHR has also maintained relationships with Nazi officers from World War II. When he died in 1994, the Belgian Nazi Leon Degrelle, who commanded an SS Division during World War II, was memorialized as a "friend of IHR" by Mark Weber. Indeed, until he died, the unrepentant Degrelle published long essays lauding Hitler in the Journal of Historical Review. The Journal also published articles admiring Hitler by Nazi General Otto Ernst Remer, who was instrumental in keeping der Führer in power after the failed assassination attempt against him in 1944, and who was a featured speaker at the eighth IHR conference in 1987. The Journal has featured articles by other, lesser-known Nazis as well.

These efforts, and many others, at justifying Hitler's actions, turn moral and historical judgments inside out. IHR portrays Hitler as a man of peace who was attacked by Allied powers jealous of the new nation he was building; it recasts Hitler's racism as a justified response to the purported hostility Jews and other minorities felt towards Germany; it glorifies Nazi war actions while decrying Allied operations as barbarous and criminal. It is as if Hitler's propaganda war was being re-fought; the speeches at IHR conferences, in fact, have often been larded with Goebbels' slogans.

Given its support for Nazism, IHR's hatred of Jews is hardly suprising.2 Speakers at conferences and writers in the Journal have alleged that Jews and Zionists, in de facto control of the U.S. government, dragged the U.S. into World War II against Germany and ever since have sought to enrich themselves and strengthen Israel at the expense of their gentile hosts. A 1982 JHR article attempted to persuade President Ronald Reagan that Judaism was a religion of "fanaticism, prejudice and discrimination."

An important component of JHR writings -- before the journal ceased publication in 2002 -- was anti-Israel propaganda. A common topic for JHR articles, for instance, was the mistaken Israeli attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War: IHR authors frequently alleged that the attack was deliberate, and concocted a variety of conspiracy theories to explain why Israel would have purposely attacked its American ally and patron..................Weber gave the keynote address. Though he frequently writes dry, academic-sounding articles attempting to prove that the Holocaust never occurred, in his speech Weber dispelled any doubt that he is truly motivated by hatred of Jews and Judaism. Claiming that the Holocaust "story" is forced on society by "Jewish Zionist power," Weber went on to explain his views on Judaism, and described his vision of a "worldwide conflict" with Jews:

Many people have this idea [that] Judaism is sort of like Christianity or Islam or Buddhism. That's a tremendous fallacy…it's a religion unlike any other religion. Because [Judaism is] a religion without a universal ethic. It's a religion the purpose of which is almost the deification of the Jewish people. The Jewish people are the end and purpose of the religion….

In fact Jews are very vague when it comes to the question of what's the purpose of being a Jew. For Christians it's salvation or for a Muslim or it's nirvana for other religions. For a Jew the purpose of the Jewish religion is the maintenance, the furtherance, the increasing of power of the Jewish people….

Jewish Zionist power….manifests itself in our society, in our cultural life, and especially in how we learn history, across the board, in every way, it affects our lives and affects our understanding of the past….

[W]hat is happening is a worldwide conflict now, a global conflict that involves all of humanity….[W]hether you are a conservative, or a liberal, whether your primary loyalties are to your religion, to your ethnic group, to your country, to your heritage in whatever form, you will come up inevitably against this great Jewish Zionist power…[W]hat we are involved in, is a global struggle…and what is important is to come out of this conference today…not merely more aware, with greater understanding, but more determined to act, to do something, to be active, in a struggle that is not merely for…abstractions like justice or truth, but it's truly a struggle for the interests of us all and the interests of humanity.

-Mark Weber, April 24, 2004
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As you can see.......many of the new age neo nazi shit4brainz at DIFtardia have been programmed by the IHR......Icke thinks he is being clever by refering to jews as: 'Rothschild Zionists'...........is it any wonder I refer to icke and his minions as abject morons........these cretins insult my intelligence and seek to compromise my honour and integrity by lying to me..........this is why I refer to them as pieces of shit.it's a New York thing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you feelin' me bitchs'..I know you're reading this.............I'm shining my light on you, you cockroaches..............lol@u..............Earlier in this thread positive forward/eternal spirit posted a few time under a psuedonym: cotal tunt........sumthing stopid like that....I kicked his ass all over the forum.............no moderator interfered.likewise with rodin and emerald..............lol xinfinti........... thumbs up rolf lmao

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Be that as it may....in an above post I did recommend a very valuable reference tool that not only refites all the deniers bogus claims, it shines a bright light on the IHR

Denying History..........kicks the deniers ass. It illuminates the deniers methodology and agenda and provides actual, peer-reviewed, credentialed historical facts which are valid and indisputable,,,,,,,,,,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Examination of claims

Main article: Criticism of Holocaust denial

The key claims which cause Holocaust denial to differ from established fact are:[3][4]
The Nazis had no official policy or intention of exterminating Jews.
Nazis did not use gas chambers to mass murder Jews.
The figure of 5 to 6 million Jewish deaths is a gross exaggeration, and the actual number is an order of magnitude lower.

Other claims include the following:
Stories of the Holocaust were a myth initially created by the Allies of World War II to demonize Germans.[4] Jews spread this myth as part of a grander plot intended to enable the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, and now to garner continuing support for the state of Israel.[15]
Documentary evidence of the Holocaust, from photographs to the Diary of Anne Frank, is fabricated.[4]
Survivor testimonies are filled with errors and inconsistencies, and are thus unreliable.[4]
Interrogators obtained Nazi prisoners' confessions of war crimes through the use of torture.[4]
The Nazi treatment of Jews was no different from what the Allies did to their enemies in World War II.[16]

Holocaust denial is widely viewed as failing to adhere to rules for the treatment of evidence, principles that mainstream historians (as well as scholars in other fields) regard as basic to rational inquiry.[17]

The Holocaust was well documented by the bureaucracy of the Nazi government itself.[18][19] It was further witnessed by the Allied forces who entered Germany and its associated Axis states towards the end of World War II.[20][21][22]

According to researchers Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman, there is a "convergence of evidence" that proves that the Holocaust happened. This evidence includes:[23]


1.Written documents—hundreds of thousands of letters, memos, blueprints, orders, bills, speeches, articles, memoirs, and confessions.
2.Eyewitness testimony—accounts from survivors, Jewish Sonderkommandos (who helped load bodies from the gas chambers into the crematoria in exchange for a chance of survival), SS guards, commandants, local townspeople, and even high-ranking Nazis who spoke openly about the mass murder of the Jews.
3.Photographs—including official military and press photographs, civilian photographs, secret photographs taken by survivors, aerial photographs, German and Allied film footage, and unofficial photographs taken by the German military.
4.The camps themselves—concentration camps, work camps, and extermination camps that still exist in varying degrees of originality and reconstruction.
5.Inferential evidence—population demographics, reconstructed from the pre–World War II era; if six million Jews were not killed, what happened to them?

Much of the controversy surrounding the claims of Holocaust deniers centers on the methods used to present arguments that the Holocaust allegedly never happened as commonly accepted. Numerous accounts have been given by Holocaust deniers (including evidence presented in court cases) of claimed facts and evidence; however, independent research has shown these claims to be based upon flawed research, biased statements, or even deliberately falsified evidence. Opponents of Holocaust denial have documented numerous instances in which such evidence was altered or manufactured (see Nizkor Project and David Irving). According to Pierre Vidal-Naquet, "in our society of image and spectacle, extermination on paper leads to extermination in reality."[24].....................................Holocaust denial and antisemitism

Holocaust denial is generally viewed as antisemitic.[9] The Encyclopedia of Genocide and Crimes Against Humanity, for example, defines Holocaust denial as "a new form of anti-Semitism, but one that hinges on age-old motifs".[175] The Anti-Defamation League has stated that "Holocaust denial is a contemporary form of the classic anti-Semitic doctrine of the evil, manipulative and threatening world Jewish conspiracy"[176] and French historian Valérie Igounet has written that "Holocaust denial is a convenient polemical substitute for anti-semitism."[177] In 2005, the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (now the Fundamental Rights Agency) published a "working definition" of antisemitism which gave as an example of the way that antisemitism might manifest itself, "denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust)".[178]
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here is the book that refutes these lying sacks of feces.............Smile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_History

Denying History: Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened and Why Do They Say It? is a 2002 book by Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman about Holocaust denial.
About the book

http://www.michaelshermer.com/denying-history/

Denying History takes a bold and in-depth look at those who say the Holocaust never happened and explores the motivations behind such claims. While most commentators have dismissed the Holocaust deniers as antisemitic neo-Nazi thugs who do not deserve a response, historians Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman have immersed themselves in the minds and culture of these Holocaust “revisionists.” They have conducted personal interviews with the deniers, read their literature, monitored their Web sites, attended their conferences, engaged them in debate, and even traveled around Europe to conduct research at the Nazi extermination camps. Uncovering a complex social movement, the authors go much deeper than ever before in not only trying to understand the motives of the Holocaust deniers, but also refuting their points one by one. In the process, they show how we can be certain that the Holocaust happened and, for that matter, how we can confirm any historical event.



Dedicated to 12 million Holocaust victims who suffered and died
at the hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime


http://www.nizkor.org/

The Holocaust - The Jewish Virtual Library

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/holo.html

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YO!!!! Fuktards.............................you know who I mean........................davy/sean/mods...........
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Examples of Pseudohistory: Holocaust Denial


Most people have basic knowledge about the Holocaust. It was a time during World War II when the Nazi regime under Adolf Hitler killed millions of Jewish, handicapped, homosexual, and Gypsy people in concentration camps throughout their controlled territories, but there are many who disagree with these widely accepted and supported facts; these people are called deniers. The term “Holocaust denial” may be misleading, though. Most “deniers” do not claim that the Holocaust never happened, but they disagree with certain aspects of the accepted historical representations. This group has also adopted the name “Revisionists”; however, this term disgusts some traditional historians. James Najarian states that all historians are revisionists, and deniers who use this term are hiding their true intentions by using this ambiguous description. He calls them “a group of right-wing ideologues who operate out of the ‘Institute for Historical Review’…Although few of them are actually trained in history, they put out sham scholarly articles in their mock-academic publication” (Najarian, 1997).

The three main aspects of the Holocaust deniers disagree with are:
1) There was intentionality of genocide based primarily on race.
2) A highly technical, well-organized extermination program using gas chambers and crematoria was implemented.
3) An estimated five to six million Jews were killed (Shermer, 2010).


Deniers claim that, though Jews did die in camps during World War II, the casualties were no more than should be expected during wartimes. They claim that there was never a Nazi policy designed to exterminate European Jewry. They also assert that the solution to the “Jewish Question” Nazis referred to was deportation from the Reich; however, the early success of Germany in the war placed the regime in an unexpected position.

There were more Jews than the Reich could possibly deport, and the later losses in the war caused the Nazis to have to confine Jews to ghettos and finally camps. Deniers also maintain that the main causes of death of Jews during the war were disease and starvation. This was supposedly the result of Allies destruction of German supply lines and resources during the war. Deniers admit that some people were shot and hanged and possibly some experimental gassing took place, and they even concede that Germans overworked Jews in forced Labor camps to further the war effort, but this only represents a small proportion of those who died. The Nazis only used the gas chambers for delousing clothing and blankets and the crematoria for disposing of the bodies of people who had already died from other causes. As for the final claim, deniers admit that some Jews were killed, but they estimate between 300,000 and two million Jews died in the ghettos and camps as opposed to six million (Shermer, 2010).


1) Extermination Based on Race
The first argument stated that no plan existed to exterminate the Jews. David Irving, a prominent denier, suggested that any killings occurred because small, local groups of Nazis had no choice with the direction of the war and the inability to deport all of the Jews, and the higher echelons handed down no order to kill off the Jewish population. Irving translates, from Governor-General Hans Frank at a Krakau conference on December 16, 1941, “I have started negotiations with the aim of sweeping them [further] to the east…At any rate a big Jewish exodus will begin…In Berlin they tell us: What’s bugging you—we’ve got no use for them either, liquidate them yourselves!”

The statement started out sounding like what deniers claim, that Jews were supposed to be moved out of the Reich, but one wonders what he meant by “liquidation”(Shermer, 2010). Deniers have plenty of pieced together quotes and interpretations that sometimes seem to discredit their claims more than support them. They only use the parts of the quotes that support their claims and then disregard the rest.

Liquidation does not mean relocation no matter what dictionary you may use or how it is said. The general meant to have the Jews moved out to concentration camps where guards killed them in mass numbers. Deniers may respond to this by arguing that a discrepancy arises when people translate words from one language to another, or that the meaning of the word may have changed over time. If deniers have considered this possibility, it is very probable that historians as well as others have considered the same possibility. However, they apparently still arrived at the conclusions that have come to be accepted by the majority.


An example of this problem with translation occurs with the analysis of the word “ausrotten”. This word translates to “exterminate”; however, Irving claims that it means something very different now than it did during Nazi Germany. According to Irving, the correct translation for the time would be “stamping or rooting out”. Shermer calls this “another example of post hoc rationalization “(2010). Supporting evidence converges in favor of traditional historical accounts, and Irving provides the counter-evidence for his own belief. In a discourse with Shermer, he quotes Hitler saying, “If the Soviet Union should ever succeed in overrunning Germany it will lead to the ausrotten of the German people.” Irving argues that Hitler could not possibly have meant the extermination of 80 million Germans. He maintains Hitler meant that the Russians would remove the Germans from a position of power. Shermer counters with Hitler’s use of the word again to describe how the Nazis needed “to ausrotten them [American Troops] division by division”. Now, Irving claims the word has a new meaning. In this case, he claims it means to root out by putting them in camps as well. With already overflowing camps, finding a place for them would have been hard. More examples of the word include the use of it by Dr. Grawitz of the SS Reichsarzt to describe a tuberculosis epidemic, Hans Frank being unable to ausrotten lice, or Himmler speaking of Roman emperors who exterminated [ausrotteten] the first Christians. The evidence clearly converges on one point; Hitler meant to exterminate the Jewish population (Shermer, 2010).

These quotes show that the Nazi leaders intended to exterminate the Jewish people because of their race. Although how historians translate these two words is pivotal to how the events are seen, enough documents from the period suggest that the current translations are correct. Deniers try to pick at the evidence to cast doubt on the facts, but they focus on minor aspects of arguments instead of looking at the entire picture to get a full view of the contexts. In addition, with such an expansive range of words, it would be impractical for a translator to use liquidate in place of relocate if that was in fact what was meant by the original document.


2) Gas Chambers and Crematoria Used for Executions
The second facet of Holocaust denial concerns itself with the employment of gas chambers and crematoria to kill the Jews systematically. Deniers do not contest that these two structures existed, but they believe they served a very different purpose from what historians attest. They claim that the Nazis used the gas chambers only for the delousing of clothing and blankets. The crematoria were supposedly used only for burning the bodies of people who died of natural causes (Shermer, 2010). The facts in both of these claims tell a different story. The evidence from four separate sources supports the idea that guards made use of both edifices in their extermination of the Jewish and other populations. Original documents that survived the war show large orders for Zyklon-B (hydrocyanic acid gas). There are also orders for supplies to build the gas chambers and crematoria as well as blueprints for the construction of both of these (Shermer, 2010). Zyklon-B was traditionally used to kill insects and rodents; however, Auschwitz began experimenting with it in September 1941 as a more effective way of killing people (United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, 2010). The Zyklon-B would not be enough evidence to claim that people were gassed in the chambers. Deniers point out this fact readily, because the use of Zyklon-B had another reasonable purpose; furthermore, the other evidence in conjunction with the large amounts of Zyklon-B suggests that its uses were more expansive than just to delouse clothing. If Zyklon-B was used only for delousing, deniers must account for the large quantities of chemical and present a reason for having locking doors on a chamber that was not used for keeping people trapped inside. This is just another example of how they can use only pieces of evidence to support their clams
.

Eyewitness testimony provides further evidence, and historians have collected information from individuals of many different positions, not just survivors. Jewish Sonderkommando diaries and confessions from the guards themselves describe how the gas chambers implemented mass murder. Photographs taken of the camps, burning of bodies, and aerial reconnaissance photographs of prisoners entering the gas chambers attest to the extensive destruction. The Sonderkommando photos are a set of such pictures depicting some of the atrocities that occurred at concentration camps (Stone, 2001). Parts of the camps themselves still stand for examination. Forensic tests back statements and evidence from other sources (Shermer, 2010). Deniers skew this evidence by showing how the levels of chemicals in the gas chambers was lower than the levels found in places not used for killing. This would pose a problem except for the fact that the amount of Zyklon-B needed to kill a human being is lower than the amount needed to kill lice (Holocaust Education and Archive Research Team, 2007).

Another fact deniers use to cast doubt on the existence of gas chambers is the variation of descriptions in the process, specifically the time it took for victims to die from asphyxiation in the chambers. The time ranges from four to twenty minutes in some accounts, but this should give credence to the accounts, not cast doubt on them. If all of the statement were exactly alike, one could infer that the story was concocted; the differences show the complexity of the situation. The speed at which the gas stopped respiration depended on a number of factors, such as size of the gas chamber, the number of people in the chamber, the conditions of the room (temperature, humidity, etc.), the amount of Zyklon-B poured into the chamber, and the observers’ perceptions of time (Shermer, 2010).

Deniers also discount photographic evidence stating that the CIA or other entities have tampered with the photographs to make them appear more damning. Shermer, with the assistance of Dr. Nevin Bryant, analyzed one such photo. Dr. Bryant supervises cartographic applications and image processing applications at Caltech/NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. He compared an aerial photo of a concentration camp with one taken at the exact same camp by an SS photographer and determined that the photos were authentic by showing how the two showed the same building from different angles (Shermer, 2010). Deniers try to poke holes in individual pieces of evidence, but the evidence as a whole forms a framework that supports and reconfirms the other aspects of the argument. The time it would take to create such a large number of photos would be astronomical as well. The Holocaust museum in Washington D.C. displays many photos of victims as well as videos so gruesome that they play them behind a wall to keep small children from viewing them without parental consent.
3) Number of Jews Killed
In accordance with their claim that the intent of the “Final Solution” was to deport Jews and not to exterminate them, deniers estimate the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust totaled between three hundred thousand and two million, far below the current estimate of five to six million. The chart below shows the estimated number of Jews who died per country (Shermer, 2010).



Country


Minimum Loss


Maximum loss




Austria


50,000


50,000




Belgium


28,900


28,900




Bohemia and Moravia


78,150


78,150




Bulgaria


0


0




Denmark

60


60


Estonia


1,500


2,000


Finland


7


7


France


77,320


77,320




Germany


134,500


141,500




Greece


60,000


67,000




Hungary


550,000


569,000




Italy


7,680


7,680




Latvia


70,000


71,500


Lithuania


140,000


143,000


Luxembourg


1,950


1,950




Netherlands


100,000


100,000




Norway


762


762




Poland


2,900,000


3,000,000




Romania


271,000


287,000




Slovakia


68,000


71,000


Soviet Union

1,000,000

1,100,000

Total


5,596,029


5,860,129


This summarizes how some historians have estimated the death toll. They took the demographics prior to the war and compared those to the population after the war; however, deniers would point out the fact that emigration could explain these same phenomena (Rassinier, nd). A person could reasonably assume that some Jews had to have escaped the death camps, but according to deniers, about four million of them are missing. This number of people should be easy to account for if they were alive somewhere after the end of the war. The burning of all the bodies creates a problem with determining a death toll by destroying vital evidence of the number of bodies discarded.
Some deniers point to an Israeli conspiracy for exaggerating the death toll for money.

It is true that Israel did request money for reparations in March 1951 because:
The government of Israel is not in a position to obtain and present a complete statement of all Jewish property taken or looted by the Germans, and said to total more than $6 thousand million. It can only compute its claim on the basis of total expenditures already made and the expenditure still needed for the integration of Jewish immigrants from Nazi-dominated countries. The number of these immigrants is estimated at some 500,000, which means a total expenditure of $1.5 thousand million.

This suggests that the Israeli government would profit more from exaggerating the number of survivors than those dead. Secondly, most of the money the government received went to the survivors (Shermer, 2010). If you divide out the numbers, the total comes to about $3,000 per individual.

When these previously mentioned tactics fail, some deniers turn to justification of the internment camps. They point out America’s treatment of the Japanese during the same period as validation for the internment camps in Nazi occupied areas. This argument is feeble at best. One wrongdoing does not give good reason for another. Deniers also point out the unfairness of having a Holocaust museum in the capitol of the United States but not an African American dedicated to the atrocities done to them. This is a valid point considering the more direct link to these other events; however, denial arguments themselves also ignore other groups affected by the Holocaust such as Gypsies, handicaps, and homosexuals. This does not justify the lack of recognition, but the pendulum must swing both ways. Almost every group of people has suffered persecution at one time or another. Native Americans suffered under Americans and under settlers from Europe before that. The British unjustly treated early settlers, and the list could go on throughout human history...............
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Positive Forward/Eternal Spirit never rests..........lol...........if he could apply this effort into bonafide, honest work he may well be sucessful..as it is, it is more of the same, low quality new age neo nazi bullshit propaganda........his latest post is an excellent example of reading and believing what is posted on stormfront without testing the veracity/quality of the material.......fucking deceiver.........as alwayz; Caveat Lector........... thumbs up

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........................................As part of a US War Crimes Investigation Team, Dr. Larson performed autopsies at Dachau and some twenty other German camps, examining on some days more than 100 corpses. After his grim work at Dachau, he was questioned for three days by US Army prosecutors. [1]

Dr. Larson's findings? In an 1980 newspaper interview he said: "What we've heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax." [2] And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he "was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theater" of Allied military operations, [3] confirmed that "never was a case of poison gas uncovered." [4] adolf adolf adolf adolf adolf

(...)

ALLIED MILITARY POLICE HQ
VIENNA
1.10.1948
MEMO Nr:31/48

The Allied Committee of Inquiry has to date proven that no poison gas
was ever used to kill prisoners in the following concentration camps
Bergen_belsen, Buchenwald, Dachau, Flassenburg, Gross-Rosen,
Mathausen, and satellite camps Natzweiler, Neuengamme Niederhagen
(Wewelsburg, ravensbruck, Sachsenhausen, Stutthol, Thereselenstadt.

In all cases where gassings were alleged, it could be proven that
torture had been used to extract confessions and witnesses have lied.

Any former inmate who, during their debriefing continues to allege
that poison gas was used to murder people (in particular jews), are to
be reported to this office and if they insist on lying further, they
are to be charged with perjury.

Signed Major Müller
Commanding officer
Allied Military Police Vienna:

witnessed by
Lieutenant Lachout MP.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=50

Read the rest of Tinyint's excellent researched post with official documents to back up his points..

Now this abject moron, simpering idiot, likens Britain to ZOG-Zionist Owned Government....just like the american piece of shit timothy mcveigh considered the USA ZOG.....read the Turner Diaries.the Neo Nazi bible..........written for abject morons such as positive forward/rodin/believenothing/dolores1/resistance/tinyint/david icke and hiz minions................the truth---------------

http://www.nizkor.org/

http://www.nizkor.org/

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.py?documents//mueller.report/mueller.report.001


The above is a transcription of a document first published in
1987 in an Austrian magazine called HALT! The certifier was
an observer on the Allied Commissions of Inquiry which issued
the letter in 1948 and has testified to its authenticity in court on
a number of occasions including the 1988 trial of revisionist
publisher Ernst Zuendel.

The document is significant in not only what it says, but also in
what it does not say. It does not list any camps where the A.C. I.
verified people were killed by poison gas. The reason for this
is -- according to Lachout -- in all instances investigated the
gassing stories proved to be false. Testimony of gassing at other
locations were not investigated by the A.C.I. So it cannot be
assumed such stories are true if those locations are not in the list
above. .........................................Mr. Roessler:


In several trials as well in many studies it was proved,
that mass-murders by gassings have taken place in several of
the mentioned KZs.

Harry Mazal has posted recently some references about the mass-murders
of Soviet POWs with gas in Neuengamme.

S.Klarsfeld has published a book with this title:

"The Struthof Album : study of the gassing at Natzweiler-Struthof of
86 Jews "whose bodies were to constitute a collection of skeletons: a
photographic "document ; Photogr. with original captions of the Legal
Identification Regional "Department in Strasbourg / Presented and
comm. by Jean-Claude Pressac. Ed. by Serge Klarsfeld. - New York,
N.Y.: The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1985.

If an Allied Commission established in 1948 that nothing like these
gassings took ever place in these KZs there should be preserved some
files, reports or whatever about the activities of this alleged
commission. An oppression of these "results" of an inquiry can be
explained only by a wide-spread conspiracy, where even members of that
commission didn't speak out later about their investigations. But
what is presented instead relies solely on one person, this Emil
Lachout
.

The main problem, however, with E.Lachout's testimony in his own case
is very simple - there is NO documentary proof, that a military-police
service in charge of the security of the Allies existed in Austria in
1948. The Allies, especially the 'Kommandatura' in occupied Vienna,
which was a four-sector town like Berlin, had only normal Austrian
police forces at hand. There does not exist a shred of a document
about a Military Guard Battalion in Vienna, nor could Lachout provide
any further evidence, that a certain Major M"uller head of a "MPD"
ever existed, let alone this MPD as a whole. Rather Lachout, born in
1928, could hardly have been Lieutenant in 1948. In short, the
"document" is a bold fabrication - and rather stupid as that, because
it invents a complete military establishment which didn't exist in
Austria in 1948. So, the main problem with the Lachout-"document" is
an intrinsical problem with "Revisionist" scholarship.


(source: B.Bailer-Galanda: Lachout-"Dokument", in: W.Benz (ed.):
Legenden L"ugen Vorurteile, (M"unchen 1990, 1993 (3)), p.134)

>Nor can it be concluded that all the uninvestigated gassing
>stories are false simply because all investigated stories were.

This is true. As long a historic incidence isn't investigated
nothing can be said about it with certainty.
But, in relation with this "document" none of these alleged
investigations can be proved, nor can be said anything
about "stories" (which one?) being false at all,
even if taking the "document" at face value.
We must conclude, however, that the investigations alleged
to in the Lachout-"document" didn't take place or hadn't
the result alluded to in the "document" because the
main verifiable claims, existence of a complete military
establishment, in that document proved to be false, and nothing
more about these alleged investigations is said in the "document".

>Nevertheless, this situation raises very serious questions
>regarding the credibility of such testimony.

These questions are indeed very serious, it is only the
credibility of Lachout's testimony which should be questioned.

>The circumstances which produced the false tales of gassings at
>the camps listed in the Mueller document, abandoned stories
>of RJF soap, lamp shades, and the long-forgotten pedal-powered
>brain-bashing machine also produced testimony and confessions
>relating to gassings at the camps in Poland. The two sets of
>stories are the offspring of common parents -- Allied war time
>propaganda and war crimes political show-trials. If there is a
>difference, it is not one of quality.

Here the "Revisionist" logic shows again. Completely unspecified
"tales of gassings" alluded to in an obviously faked document
are taken as "prove" that mass-murders didn't take place in
certain KZs while the mass of evidence about the crimes in these
camps isn't considered at all
. Instead, what we have here is
again prove by invented conspiracy, based on fabrications.

Most of the "Revisionist" ravings about fabrications, conspiracies and
myths should be taken as self-description of "Revisionist
scholarship
".............................The consistent refusal of "Revisionist scholars" to even acknowledge
the mass of evidence produced by scholars, in trials and by many
independent witnesses, let alone to try to justify why they may
disregard all these by vague alusions to some conspiracy must not be
taken simply as a whim of a certain esoteric strand of inquiry. This
"scholarship" is instead a scarcely veiled insult. And, given the
outmost severity of the subject, it must be taken as an assault on
truth.


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Well.................as difficult as it may be to fathom...........davey has found a new low........just when you thought being a pile of whale shit on the ocean floor waz az low az yooz could go davey icke plumbs new lowz..........roll eyez......check hiz headlinez at dave icke.com.......he is comparing himself to the persecution of the jews and using pictures from the holocaust he denies......to bolster hiz dubious claim that he iz being persecuted and hiz life, as worthless as it iz, iz in danger.............really, who would waste the time and energy.........he izn't woth a .22short........I surmise davey is attempting, futiley, to shield himself from the shitstorm he has brought upon himself........I would say this asshole haz no class, apparently he does,,,,,of the lowest level,...........you remain a lying sak of shit davey boy..you can run but you cannot hide ......especially when the #1 New age Neo Nazi.daveys soul mate has now posted in general some very libelous antisemitic propaganda.......... thumbs up

Daves article........warning..this assholes propaganda could gag a maggot....likewise rodins propaganda......

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Actually, no shit, posted by davey icke:


Come together and make the statement - enough!

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


- Martin Niemöller (1892-1984)

'You can dam a stream and you can dam a river, but you can't dam a tidal wave.' - David Icke

(Viewer discretion advised with video)



David Icke - Fork in The Road (They Want To Trigger World War III)

Tuesday, 18 September 2012 08:33

who's 'THEY' davey....the 'ROTHSCHILD ZIONISTS/JEWS'?

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/46181-david-icke-fork-in-the-road-they-want-to-trigger-world-war-iii

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The second video on the headlines page is where icke exploits images of the Holocaust that he denies..........davey has truly lost hiz soul and mind...........he haz no shame, no dignity, no honour............


DAVID ICKE - Knock Knock...Who`s There? YOUR APATHY! (Viewer Discretion Advised)





Meanwhile goebbles ghost........rodin has new thread in General to warp minds and incense the population to hate Jews using old worn out canards and proven falsehoods..also Positive Forward/eternal spirit is doing likewise.....in the false flags forum.........the Jews are responsible for Bolshevism and Communism...........crating as always a real festival of hate....so much for truth and infinite love......is dave icke the ultimate hypocrite.he would make glenn beck blush with his gall.....as always..psuedo history with the intent to incite hatred and fear...... adolf adolf adolf

rodinnnz latest opus in general forum, examine the contents and source........he tees off with deena spignola interviewing the neo nazi douchebag owner of ZIONCRIMEFACTOY website....a very popular personage and website at DIFtardia, where the contentz of this site are copy/pasted copiously.................

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Interviews you should hear


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212951

Interviews you should hear.
Hot off the press June 7. A real cracker
75% of threads are started to thin out truth on forums and divert you from the nub of the problem

However, the truth will set you free, if it doesn't kill you first


CAVET LECTOR: DECEITFUL NEW AGE NEO NAZI HATE PROPAGANDA

http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/mask-of-zion-report-june-7-2012/

Mask of Zion Report June 7, 2012 Jonathon Azaziah interviews the webmaster of Zion Crime Factory concerning the distinctly-Jewish character of Bolshevism and its historically-documented record of anti-Gentile butchery. Zionism, Jewish extremism and a few other nasty items making our world uninhabitable today

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Zion Crime Factory hits the ball out of the park
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YO!!!! Rodin!!!! in order to hit sumthing 'out of the park' you have yo be in the park.........the piece of shit that you source is in a sewer under the park blowing rats and C.H.U.D.z.........Bolshevism and Communism were not creationz of the Jews.a small, percentage of Jews took part and many Jews were persecuted by communists themselves.........this is the difference between history and psuedo-history......before I refute the new age neo nazi claims of ickes pet nazis.let's meet the piece of shit behind ZIONCRIMEFACTORY.......to avoid the stench.breathe through your mouth..........this guy is vile.....no wonder he is so popular with the new age neo nazis.......they lap up his shit and beg for more never testing the veracity.........buncha lozerz........... thumbs up


http://barbarahartwellvscia.blogspot.com/2012/06/neo-nazi-mike-delaney-spouts-off-on.html

Thursday, June 7, 2012
"FUCK JEWS!"...--Michael Delaney from Prothink



Neo-Nazi Mike Delaney Spouts Off on "Patriot Jews"



]On Saturday, June 2, Janet Phelan and Barbara Hartwell were guests on Truth Talk News, hosted by Howard Nema. Our topic was Nazi Propagandists in the Patriot Movement.

[b]To listen to the 3-hour special report:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbUVfs0HT84&feature=youtu.be

A Neo-Nazi named Mike Delaney ("Heil Hitler!"), among the most reprehensible Jew-haters/Hitler supporters, was one of a few whose vile propaganda was exposed on this program. Delaney, whose websites promote Adolph Hitler as a "noble warrior for truth" and tout Nazi war criminals as shining examples of moral rectitude (no, I am not joking), uses the name "Zion Crime Factory", by which he is actually addressed on talk shows. The hosts who interview Delaney do not call him by name, nor does he ever volunteer his name.

("My guest today is Zion Crime Factory": Quote from Deanna Spingola, Nazi pimp)

Why is this, you might ask yourself?

There can only be one reason for this: abject cowardice. Only a spineless coward finds it necessary to hide behind some ludicrous handle like "Zion Crime Factory".

Aside from that, any person not willing to stand up and identify himself has ZERO credibility. As for the talk show hosts who would aid and abet Delaney's cowardice (as well as give him air time in support of his despicable views) they are, at the very least, calling their own credibility into serious question.
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Nazi Pimp: Deanna Spingola

The first I ever heard of Mike Delaney was a few weeks ago, after I posted a report exposing a woman named Maggie Roddin, who hosts a program called The Unsolicited Opinion, on RBN and Orion Talk Radio. Nazi Pimp ("I call a spic a spic") Maggie Roddin....................It came as no surpise to discover that Roddin was a promoter of the likes of Delaney and his Zion Crime Factory. In fact, I first found the connection by placing the words "Maggie Roddin" and "Jews" into a Google search. Bingo! A wealth of Jew-hater propaganda...

Any reasonably intelligent, discerning person who has ever listened to Roddin's sleazy spiels will recognize that she is nothing but a useful idiot, a squawking parrot of the views and party-line positions of professional propagandists, all the while boasting how she is "waking people up to the truth". I've never heard as much as one original thought or concept coming from this woman's loud offensive motor-mouth.

In fact, Roddin does little but spew meaningless secular humanist platitudes ("Life isn't fair", "there's no free lunch in life", "it is what it is", "you have to earn what you get in life", "life is all about challenges" etc. etc.) and whining, "I can't take it anymore!"

..........................................
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....rodin.............roddin..... think thinking hmm This is rodinz source for hiz thread in general forum..........nice? huh?

next post........exposing the new age neo nazi lies about bolshevism and communism....this includes the degenerate positive forward/eternal spirit.icke.dolore1, sean.....
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Post  MoMo on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:13 pm

THE REBUTTAL

very typical of new age neo nazi psuedo historians......icke, positive forward and rodin are public secondary school dropouts seeking to stand 2" taller on the back of the Jews.........the piece of shit rodin is preposterous enough to claim he has a PhD in Chemistry........perhaps Bullshitting.or Specious Argumentation,,,,,,certainly not any of the 'Hard Sciences'...like the material he posts his claims of academic achievement are lies.....examine hiz opus.......................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

Jewish Bolshevism

Jewish Bolshevism or Judeo-Bolshevism is the name given to the claim that Jews have been the driving force behind Communist movements, or sometimes more specifically Soviet Bolshevism.[1] Judeo-Bolshevism has been used as a catchword for the assertion that Communism is a Jewish conspiracy, and it has often coincided with overtly aggressive nationalistic tendencies in the 20th century and 21st century. In Poland, Judeo-Bolshevism was known as Żydokomuna and was used as an antisemitic stereotype[2].

The expression was the title of a pamphlet, The Jewish Bolshevism, and became current after the 1917 October Revolution in Russia, featuring prominently in the propaganda of the anti-communist "White" forces during the Russian Civil War.

The label "Judeo-Bolshevism" was used in Nazi Germany to equate Jews with communists, implying that the communist movement served Jewish interests and/or that all Jews were communists.[3] According to Hannah Arendt, it was "the most efficient fiction of Nazi Propaganda".[4] In Poland before World War II, Żydokomuna was used in the same way to allege that the Jews were conspiring with the USSR to capture Poland. According to André Gerrits, "The myth of Jewish Communism was one of the most popular and widespread political prejudices in the first half of the 20th century, in Eastern Europe in particular."[5] The allegation continues to be used in antisemitic publications and websites today...............Origins

It spread worldwide in the 1920s with the publication and circulation of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It made an issue out of the Jewishness of some leading Bolsheviks (most notably Leon Trotsky) during and after the October Revolution. Daniel Pipes says that "primarily through the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Whites spread these charges to an international audience."[6] James Webb wrote that it is rare to find an antisemitic source after 1917 that ..."does not stand in debt to the White Russian analysis of the Revolution."[7]
.
Jews in the Bolshevik party

On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 10,000 members, of whom 364 were ethnic Jews.[9][15] Between 1917 and 1919, Jewish Bolshevik party leaders included Grigory Zinoviev, Moisei Uritsky, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Grigory Sokolnikov, and Leon Trotsky. Lev Kamenev was of mixed ethnic Russian and Jewish parentage.[16][17] Trotsky was also a member (or "Narkom") of the ruling Council of People's Commissars.[18] Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923 and 1930, five were Jewish.[16]
.......................According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total.[16] Jews made up 7.1% of members who had joined before October 1917.[18]

Among members of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets in 1929, there were 402 ethnic Russians, 95 Ukrainians, 55 Jews, 26 Latvians, 13 Poles, and 12 Germans – Jewish representation had declined from 60 members in 1927.[19] With regards to Jewish representation in the ruling Politburo, it waned very rapidly starting in 1918. It began with the assassination of Moisei Uritsky, the most radical member of the Politburo, in August 1918. Then Yakov Sverdlov died of disease in March 1919 and Sokolnikov was shunted aside. Three years later in 1922, Jewish members in the Central Committee, the Politburo's new name, had shrunk to a minority of three : Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev . Eventually they were all physically eliminated by Joseph Stalin : Zinoviev and Kamenev in 1936 and Trotsky in 1940.

In the 1920s, of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee, the party Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews.[16]

Between 1936 and 1940, during the Great Purge, Yezhovshchina and after the rapprochement with Nazi Germany, Stalin had largely eliminated Jews from senior party, government, diplomatic, security and military positions.[20]. A prominent victim of the Purge was the Head of the State Security or NKVD ( the enforcement arm of government previously known as the Cheka and GPU ) who also happened to have come from a Jewish background : Genrikh Yagoda. In 1939, Stalin directed incoming Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov to "purge the ministry of Jews".[21] Although some scholars believe that this decision was taken for primarily domestic reasons,[21] others argue it may have been a signal to Nazi Germany that the USSR was ready for non-aggression talks.[22][23]
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http://web.ceu.hu/jewishstudies/pdf/01_krajewski.pdf

STANISŁAW KRAJEWSKI
Jews, Communism, and the Jewish Communists

Ten Theses
1. Marxism, radical leftist ideologies, and ‘real socialism’ constitute not only a fragment of
world history, and of Polish or Hungarian history, but also a chapter of Jewish history.

2. Anti-Semites have grossly exaggerated the Jewish involvement in communism, distorted
the facts, and interpreted them according to conspiracy theories. Jews were also victims of
communism.

3. Jewish communists rarely cared about Jewish concerns and often virtually stopped being
Jewish.

4. Some of those who had abandoned Jewishness later came back. The number of Jewish
communists, and their role, was so important that other Jews must not ignore it.

5. The deepest problem is posed by the quasi-religious character of the communist
involvement of some Jews.

6. There is no distinctive Jewish radicalism. There is no ‘Jewish communism’. Jews became
communists because of general mechanisms.

7. It was not Judaism or Jewish traditions but the social situation that led Jews to involvement
in communism.

8. Participation in evil can begin with noble and selfless intentions.

9. Moral responsibility can be indirect. Reemerging Jewish communities in Eastern Europe
should face the legacy of Jewish participation in communism. However, accepting a Jewish
share of moral responsibility does not make non-Jews less responsible.

10. Objective research is needed to clarify the extent and nature of Jewish participation in
communism. The tragic consequences of the anti-Semitic myth of ‘Jewish communism’
should impose no taboo.

Introductory Remarks
The phrase ‘Jews and communism’ immediately brings to mind two sets of associations.
The first image, common in the West, is that of the persecution of Jews in communist
countries: the destruction of religious traditions; the doctors’ plot and, more generally,
Stalin’s anti-Semitism, which almost led to the large-scale murder of Jews; the fate of
refusniks and the discrimination against Jews in the Soviet Union; official anti-Semitism in
Poland in 1967–68. The second set of associations, popular in East Central Europe and
beyond, is expressed as the image of ‘Jewish communism’: Jews as the founders of leftist
movements and as communist leaders in the states that were governed by communist parties;
persecuting Christian religions; preeminent in the bloody communist dictatorships.
Now, the first image is true but it does not represent the total picture of the
relationship of Jews with communism. The second image is false but it does point to certain
facts, specifically to the large number of Jews among active communists. As Andre W. M.
Gerrits puts it: the power of the association of Jews with communism comes from the fact that
“it was based on elements of fiction and reality”.1 The myth of ‘Jewish communism’ is only a
myth. What is real is the existence and importance of Jewish communists. The distinction
made by Gerrits had been made earlier by Jaff Schatz in the most important book-length study
of the topic,2 and also by me.3 This reality has been subjected to surprisingly little research.
The neglected topic—which I propose to consider now—is then not so much ‘Jews
and communism’, not ‘Jews under communism’, and certainly not ‘Jewish communism’, but
rather ‘Jewish communists’. In addition to seeing this topic as a subject for scholarly research
I propose its less objective variant: ‘Jewish communists as a Jewish concern’. My remarks can
serve only as a loose introduction to the problem that in my opinion deserves study by
scholars and reflection by Jews, even by those who have never met a communist.4...................................It is true that the myth of ‘Jewish communism’
(żydokomuna or ‘jewcommies’) has been one of the most sinister ideas that ever shaped
European politics; it was used to justify aggressive and violent anti-Semitism, and eventually
led to mass murder by Nazi Germany. And it is still used, in Poland and elsewhere, by
demagogue politicians
............There was no Jewish communism, but there were Jewish communists. Discussing
them and their role does not have to lead to putting all the blame for communist crimes on
Jews.
I have presented (Theses 8 and 9) the moral problem posed by the extent and the
nature of Jewish participation in the communist enterprise. That activity was not done in the
name of the Jews, but they were Jews, nevertheless. A disturbing legacy has been left for all
Jews, and in particular for the Jews of East Central Europe and their reemerging Jewish
communities. Discussion of this must not be left to anti-Semites.
Sensitivity and good will is needed to understand the story of Jewish communists. It is
a closed chapter, so it can be fully described. And this can be instructive to all. As the famous
anonymous saying goes: “Jews are just like anybody else, only more so
. . .”
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Theze shit4brainz new age neo nazis natter on day in and day out about the NewWorld Zionist Order..........yet they are ignorant that they, themselves, are bona-fide, card carrying members of the Universal One World Religion...............anti-semitism.......a religion that transcends the vectors of time and space........and they support their hatred by citing lies and psuedo history........go figger.............like my pappy told me......momo..there'z all kindz out there..................since myself, and others, have taken our precious, valuable time to inform them of their errors, they really have no excuse,,,,,,,,,,,,

History of antisemitism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism


Antisemitic canard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard






' Jewish Communism' was one of the most powerful and destructive political myths in 20th-century Europe. The cry of Jewish communist
conspiracy turned traditional, often religiously inspired anti-Jewish sentiments into a murderous anti-Semitic rampage.
The connection of Jews with communism has always been an extremely sensitive issue, which cannot simply be dismissed as a fully irrational
phenomenon. Jews were disproportionately present in the revolutionary movement. This does not make the myth of Jewish Communism less
mythical, but it does imply that real interests and conflicts were involved.

This book presents the first full-length analysis of the identification of Jews with communism. It traces the myth of Jewish Communism from the
traditional anti-Jewish prejudices on which it is built, to its crucial role in Eastern European Stalinist and post-Stalinist politics. It documents the
painful controversies that the participation of Jews in the revolutionary movement has generated among Jewish observers, among communists,
and also among historians.
Contents
Contents: A Controversial Issue - Shifting Paradigms of Jewish History - Anti-Semitism and Anti-communism - The Anatomy of a Myth - The
Force of Nationalism and the Rise of the Jews - Jews and Revolution: The Polish Case - The Jewish Response - The Non-Jewish Jew - Figures,
Facts, and Interpretations - The «People's Republics» - The Myth of Jewish Stalinism - Communist Anti-Semitism - Communists as Jews.

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Post  mugglez on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:29 pm

o momo..................yooz my hero!!! thumbs up boobies boobies wacky


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those assholes better stay outta the water.........there on the short list.......plus they stink up the ocean when they go in it...............


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Post  MoMo on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:42 pm


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Post  sharky on Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:31 am

momo, momo...the scumbag administration at DIFtardia have suspended lightgiver.one of the last opposition voices to the new age neo nazi psuedo historians and psuedo revisionists...............you're right, they are cowards and want no opposition to spreading their lies to foster hatred against the Jews.......meh............

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