Re: David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA

[true lilly]

Have you figured it out yet?

Flying? Call 13 13 13

...still not it...but I will remind folk that
all that religious junk they spam through my threads,
is TIED to the FALSE 'time line' LIE that REJECTS
GOD'S WORD...the WWWEB is FULL of it, and all that
PREACHING it has ever done, is HIDE THE SAVING TRUTH
of GOD'S LIVING WORD...so first 'they' 'hunted' for 'who
told me' what IS SO SECRET, then discovering it was
simply as GOD PROMISED; HIS REVEALING to those who,
with their whole heart and mind, seek to SERVE HIM,
'they' just had to attack 'me', literally, in every way...
stupidly hoping the bothers and woes 'they' inflict,
would cause (bully/scare/tempt) me to ADJURE MY FAITH
IN THE CREATOR, SUSTAINER and SAVIOR of LIFE,
WHO had and has so blessed 'my house' with LIFE,
against all 'their' efforts to KILL LIVES.

FOOLS! KNOWING, WILLING LIARS=DAMNED FOOLS!

Qantas set to return to the skies
Qantas set to return to the skies

Stephen Drill, Neil Wilson
FAIR Work Australia
has granted a full termination
of the protected industrial action
against Qantas.

Brother to bring fallen soldier home
Brother to bring fallen soldier home

Emily Macdonald, Phillip Hudson
ONE of the three Diggers killed
in Afghanistan at the weekend
will be brought home by his brother,
who was serving beside him.

Poll: Should we continue training the Afghan Army?
Poll: Is it time for Australia to withdraw from Afghanistan?
Killings: Aussies reel at Afghan enemy within
Alan Howe: Who are Australian soldiers dying for?
Ian McPhedran: We owe it to dead Diggers to stay

Qantas pilots 'not safe' to fly
Qantas pilots 'not safe' to fly

1:59AM
Stephen Drill, Neil Wilson
QANTAS has blamed tired and stressed pilots
for its decision to ground its aircraft
and leave 68,000 passengers in limbo.

Pictures: Chaos as Qantas grounds fleet
Poll: Has Qantas gone too far?
Crisis: Tourism industry on official red alert
New flights: Qantas passengers pay high price
Outrage: Passengers' travel plans ruined
Racing carnival: Celebrities in race for flights
Heroism: Brother to bring fallen soldier home
Tourism RED ALERT

ABJURE

Legal Dictionary
Main Entry: ab·jure
Pronunciation: ab-'jur, &b-
Function: transitive verb Inflected
Forms: ab·jured; ab·jur·ing
Etymology: Latin abjurare,
from ab- off + jurare to swear :
RENOUNCE; specifically :
to disclaim formally or renounce upon oath
abjures his allegiance to his former country>
—ab·ju·ra·tion /"ab-j&-'rA-sh&n/ noun

ABJURE
1.to renounce, repudiate, or retract,
especially with formal solemnity;
recant: to abjure one's errors.

2.to renounce or give up under oath;
forswear: to abjure allegiance.

3.to avoid or shun.

Strike Force Abjure
has been set up
to investigate the shooting,
Read more:
http://www.news.com.au/national/man-critically-injured-after-being-found-shot-in-the-head-in-granny-flat-in-french-street-at-maroubra-in-sydney/story-e6frfkvr-1226172282627#ixzz1cHZp37Gt

http://spleenvent.com/index.php?topic=5336.0

Australian soldiers reel at Afghan
enemy within
by:Ian McPhedran and Emily Macdonald
From:Herald Sun
October 31, 2011
12:00AM

HUNDREDS of Afghan army soldiers have been disarmed
after a "rogue" comrade went on the rampage.

Two of the three Diggers killed died instantly;
the third was pronounced dead on being flown to a field hospital at Tarin Kowt.

It is believed that because they were inside the base, in Kandahar province,
they were not wearing helmets or body armour.
A critically wounded Digger will be flown to Germany for treatment.

Diggers reacted with anger and dismay at
the second killing by an Afghan soldier
of their Australian comrades:
on May 31, army cook Lance-Corporal Andrew Jones
was killed in the Chora Valley.

"This is it for me - I'm done," one soldier said.

"We are over here risking our lives to help them (the Afghans)."

Families of the dead men yesterday declined to release names and photographs,
because some relatives had not yet been notified.

Brother to bring fallen soldier home
Diggers feared organised attack Foundation, 1 hour ago
Aussies slain by rogue ally The Daily Telegraph, 1 hour ago
Brother to bring fallen soldier home Herald Sun, 1 hour ago
Tensions rise after Aussie troops killed Foundation, 1 hour ago
Aussie soldiers' deaths 'dark day' The Daily Telegraph, 12 hours ago

The Afghan commander at the base, Brig Mohammed Zafar Khan,
disarmed all 200 ANA soldiers there and confined them to barracks.

Mentoring Task Force 3 commander Lt-Col Chris Smith urged his soldiers
not to let one ANA soldier's act detract from the mission.

"They will deal with a whole range of demons.
They will struggle to trust them,
they will lose confidence as a consequence of this," he said.

"But I appeal to their sense of duty that at the end of the day
the only true way to honour the memory of the three who died
is to get back out as soon as possible and do the very job they died doing."

Australian Defence Force Chief David Hurley said:
"It is difficult to find the words to express
our profound sorrow and sense of loss at this time."

He said it was too early to speculate.
"Let's not jump to conclusions here.".

[true lilly]

cuttydrinker
Senior Member

Maybe
they walked to Eastern Europe/Central Asia from the Middle east, no
that doesnt sound like it fits their M.O., too much physical labor for
them, it seems more likely they were pulled their in slave driven carts,
they probably brought along barrells filled with the blood of gentile
children to sustain themsleves on the long journey.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=188637&page=5

That's Pretty Outrageous...!!!

Christ In A Barrell Of Shit, I Wish I Could Of Thought Of Summat As Crass As That...!!!

Both in Australia at the same time. Do you think
they were rehearsing for the big shapeshift of 2012?

Prime Minister Julia Gillard with the Queen at a banquet dinner
during the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Perth.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/ipad/downer-whats-the-point-of-chogm/story-fn6br25t-1226180883656

...BUT...WHERE IS 'BILLY RUBEN'S' BRAG OF HOW WELL DAVID ICKE DID
AT GATHERING MORE DECEIVED AND DECEIVING FOOLS?

In eight minutes,
Alan Joyce grounded a fleet
and ignited a battle
by:Steve Creedy
and Matthew Franklin
From:The Australian
October 31, 2011
12:00AM

BY the time
Alan Joyce started his press conference
at 5pm on Saturday in Sydney,
the great Qantas grounding had begun.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/in-eight-minutes-alan-joyce-grounded-a-fleet-and-ignited-a-battle/story-e6frg95x-1226180984860

[Ciggy]

[sharky]

[true lilly]

SO, why the NEED to "quote" "me",
ON A FORUM THAT DOESN'T LINK TO THE ORIGIN of "the quote"?
Because 'dressing' "their" opponent IN "THEIR" OWN FILTH,
is THE ONLY ATTACK "THEY" HAVE LEFT,
IN THE LIGHT OF YEARS OF FACTS THAT EXPOSE "THEM" as
THE ENEMIES of ALL LIFE.

P.S. so many "names" ranting in THE SAME INSANE 'VOICE',
only CONvinces THE FOOLS WHO DESERVE TO BE FOOLED,
of YOUR BALD FACED LIES.

P.P.S. And stop insulting everyone
by acting as if no one has figured out WHY THIS Forum
(the only one left in The World Wide WEB of DECEIVERS,
that I'm able to post in), does NOT LINK "quotes"
TO THEIR ORIGINAL SOURCE.

Like I was saying...
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED:

Qantas pilots hopeful of a solution
QANTAS pilots say they are
"pretty confident" an agreement will be reached with the airline. Read more

Qantas needs to be smarter - Shorten
QANTAS'S actions are
unlikely to have started a "new wave of radical employer militancy",
Federal Assistant Treasurer Bill Shorten says. Read more

So,
it wasn't "employer militancy", and the pilots are still TALKING of
reaching an agreement...remember, they were STILL FLYING WHEN THEY WERE
GROUNDED...so then, WHY such an EXPENSIVE and RADICAL ACTION...DURING
Industrial TALKS???

Gee, NOT surprising that "tintin" and his team,
DON'T dare DECODE THESE NUMBERS, but stay
STUCK in OLD MOVIE Scripts...

Julia Gillard's Qantas move
didn't follow the script



http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/news/julia-gillards-qantas-move-didnt-follow-the-script/story-fn32891l-1226182021708

Gillard's Qantas move didn't follow the script

TRANSCRIPT shows PM's office was told
they had "options available" to avoid grounding.

Fair Work Australia terminates industrial action
Take a look back at the history of Qantas
Qantas blames stressed crew for grounding

JULIA Gillard's office and three senior ministers were told by
Qantas management they had "options available" to avoid the fleet
grounding and that CEO Alan Joyce was ready to talk to the PM.

A script for the phone calls confirms revelations in The Daily Telegraph
that the government was told it had the opportunity to act but it would
need to deliver certainty.

It was also stressed that Mr Joyce was available to speak to Ms Gillard,
although she never called him until after the revelations yesterday
morning.

Qantas government relations executive Olivia Wirth
confirmed she spoke according to the script when she called the Prime
Minister's chief of staff at 2.05pm on the day of the grounding.

The script was also used by Mr Joyce in calls with Transport Minister
Anthony Albanese at 2pm, followed by Tourism Minister Martin Ferguson
and Workplace Relations Minister Chris Evans.

Travellers return to the skies as PM slams Qantas

All were told: "We recognise the government has a range of options
available to you, however we need to make it clear that we will not, and
cannot put planes back in the air until these issues are resolved and
we have certainty."

This was considered an unmissable suggestion to the PM and ministers that
they should ban further action. Ms Wirth confirmed to The Daily Telegraph last night
that was "the way you get certainty. No more action".

The PM's chief of staff was also told to let Ms Gillard know:
"Alan is available to discuss further details.
Alan's here if you want to chat to him."

But Ms Gillard did not take this as a request to call Mr Joyce, nor did she
have the government declare the strike action illegal, which has
stunned many inside Qantas.

Her spokesman yesterday denied the government was given the option
to avoid the mass grounding.

"The government was presented with the grounding of the planes as a fait accompli," he said.

But Ms Wirth confirmed that the script had been used in all phone calls.

Instead the PM referred the matter to the industrial court Fair Work Australia.
By the time the full bench made the same order tens of thousands of
passengers had already been left stranded or otherwise disrupted.

In a fiery question time yesterday the Opposition hammered Ms Gillard and her ministers
on their handling of the issue.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott wanted to know what the government had done in the
three hours between 2pm and 5pm Saturday when the grounding took effect.

His deputy Julie Bishop wanted to know why the prime minister had not
spoken personally to Mr Joyce in a bid to circumvent the grounding.

Backbenchers lined up to ask ministers how the government's decision to refer the
dispute to Fair Work Australia was good for the nation, the economy, the
tourism sector and the travelling public.
Ms Gillard defended the government's decision not to take matters into its own hands.

She accused the opposition of "peddling a falsehood" by claiming the
government merely had to sign a piece of paper to end industrial action
because it was in the nation's interest.

"Peddling of that falsehood should stop here and it should stop now," she said.
___________________________________________________________

The more they talk, the more they seem to be saying that
"THE GROUNDING" was NOT about "preventing" a "workers" "STRIKE",
but a TERRORIST STRIKE...well, it is the only thing that actually makes sense,
ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

[true lilly]

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?

Well?

David Icke OFFICIAL FORUMS is chock full of 'australian's'
(according to the multiple I.D. 'names' that post there),
and even 'Billy Ruben' was REJOICING about his imminent
arrival, and then of course there is 'TISWAS' that's always
DEMANDING David Icke Be WORSHIPED, YET Google has
NOTHING to offer in the way of a review of this latest
PROPAGANDA Tour HIT On MELBOURNE...WHILE THE QUEEN
(that David Icke ATTACKS), was here...AND, ALL QANTAS
Planes were GROUNDED when SHE flew out, and David Icke
should have still been in Melbourne.

'Should Have'...but who knows, all information that was available
is no longer, and there are "date CHANGES"...it used to show
the weekend the Queen was here, but now showing (only at
an events site) that he was here 3 weeks earlier???

Well I found this, and despite all the ICKE DEFENDERS
(see comments),
http://www.vexnews.com/2011/10/darkness-within-neo-nazi-conspiracy-theorists-at-the-heart-of-occupy-melbourne-protest/comment-page-2/#comment-59338
still NO REVIEW!!!???
DARKNESS WITHIN:
Neo-Nazi conspiracy theorists
at the heart of Occupy Melbourne protest
By VEXNEWS ⋅ October 22, 2011

VEXNEWS can reveal that Tina Athanasopoulos,
a key organiser of the Occupy Melbourne
is a devotee of a bizarre anti-Semitic
neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist David Icke. But more of that later.

Occupy Melbourne ended predictably.

Even small-l liberal inner-city Melbourne had thought the protesters
had had a good run, longer than some of its less successful artistic
offerings and that it was time for it to decently conclude.

MESSED OPPORTUNITY
It was a missed opportunity for the mostly naive extremists – and their
Greens party allies – to honour their commitments and leave declaring
some kind of imaginary success over ‘the man’. Instead, in the manner of
the spoiled child, they blocked tram lines used by workers to get home
and fouled up the City Square, leaving it for Council workers to clean
up.


If empowering the “99%” against the “1%” was really the aim, they used and
abused a lot of innocent “99%” victims along the way to make a point
that no-one has yet articulated and no-one comprehends. For reasons we
shall see, some of what lurked behind Occupy Melbourne was much smellier
than even the most unwashed sleeping bag.

Naturally the chancers in the increasingly cynical and sleazy Greens
political party sniffed the opportunity over the body odour.

A self-appointed leader of the gathering, whose involvement in
funny-money “charity” schemes in the past prompt real questions about
his own corporate greed that he has failed to answer, Nick Carson was a Greens party political candidate at the last state election and continues as a member.

POWER BANDT
Their current MP for Melbourne, Dr Adam Bandt PhD, who is so nervous
about holding his seat that he had his party spend $10,000 of
taxpayer-generated funds on Galaxy opinion-polling to rebut claims he
was doing a woeful job as a local MP because he’s a regular no-show at
community events and has alienated many community groups in
inner-Melbourne, jumped all over the Occupy Melbourne sleeping bag,
declaring it was a “blunder” to move the protesters on.

Bandt was supportive of Occupy Melbourne, opining:

“It is no wonder that people are protesting. The richest 20% of
households in Australian have 60 times the wealth of the poorest 20% of
Australians. CEOs are getting huge pay increases and banks are posting
record profits.”

But Bandt is part of the problem of which he complains. He is Mr 1%
in a suit with a smug grin. He flies first class, at taxpayer expense.
He employed his girlfriend in his MP’s office at public expense. He then
got her another cushy job. He is paid nearly $4000 a week to serve as
an MP. He is chauffeured around to the airport in a V8 luxo-barge
ComCar.

He does not eat his own mung-bean cooking of the revolution.

And who could blame him?

KEEPING IT REAL
We don’t think MP’s are paid excessively or should lose perks that
perhaps slightly compensate for all the crap that gets thrown at them
but we do ask wannabe revolutionaries to be consistent and live the
words they preach.

That Socialist Party Yarra councillor Steve Jolly is a shocker. He
wants to reinstate socialism in the world, despite a rather embarrassing
experiment where whole countries were held back in a mire of waste and
indolence for decades with millions of people sent to gulags, persecuted
and murdered by the system that pretended to be a “worker’s paradise”.
In PR terms, we might call this something of a setback, perhaps slightly
“diminishing brand equity” as they might say on St Kilda Road.

But Jolly slings back his council honorarium – and is apparently
required to by his comrades – to the party whose dead horse he so
sincerely flogs and only receives a “living wage.”

If the Greens did that rather than pretend to be groovy
revolutionaries while flying around like pampered poodles, they’d be
more convincing. Jolly may be wrong but the Greens are wrong while being
frauds of the most outrageous kind.

WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED
Meanwhile, there are workers who do it tough. One group of them – highly
unionised – have very high levels of workplace injury and trauma. Most
of them get around $60,000 to $70,000 per annum, maybe a little more
with overtime. They risk their lives, many of them, every time they go
out on the job.


Yep, it’s the Police.
They are working people.

But state Greens MP Colleen Hartland wasn’t impressed. She told her friends at The Age:

“Police in riot gear just started to push me and once that happened I decided that I would be joining in.”

They were doing their job. They did so very cautiously, deliberately
and responsibly in circumstances that ought never have been necessary
because the protesters ought to have packed up, cheered themselves
through the drizzle and declared a victory of some kind over the “man.”

It’s worth contemplating why they didn’t.

It’s because at the heart of the leadership of Occupy Melbourne were
the truly, raving mad. And, even worse, vile and dangerous anti-Semites
and neo-Nazis.

A key Occupy Melbourne organiser was Tina Athanasopoulos. She set up its Facebook page, gave interviews on 3CR representing them and so on.

And who is this Tina Athanasopoulos?


She’s a devotee of David Icke. VEXNEWS has obtained Facebook entries made by
her in a private David Icke group, where she assured members of his
group that she was a central player in the Occupy Melbourne and that she
would ensure Icke’s views were advanced.

David Icke, apparently touring the nation at the moment, is a leading
conspiracy theorist who expounds views including according to
Wikipedia:

At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is
becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian
humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that
many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen
Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie

Ominously:

According to Barkun, Icke has actively tried to cultivate the far
right. In 1996, he spoke to a conference in Reno, Nevada, alongside
opponents of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act—which mandates
background checks on people who buy guns in the United States—including
Kirk Lyons, a white nationalist lawyer who has represented the Ku Klux
Klan. Barkun argues that the relationship between Icke, the militias,
and the Christian Patriots is complex because of the New Age baggage
Icke brings with him, and he stresses that Icke is not actually a member
of any of these groups, but he has nevertheless absorbed the world view
of the radical right virtually intact.

and, as such, he doesn’t think much of the Jews:

In The Robots’ Rebellion (1994), Icke introduced the idea that
the Global Elite’s plan for world domination was laid out in The
Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903,
which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the
world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic
material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling
villains from a Saturday matinee, as Jon Ronson put it in his
documentary about Icke, David Icke, the Lizards and the Jews (2001)

These are the dogs that elected Greens party politicians have –
hopefully unwittingly – associated themselves with. Little wonder those
who attended Occupy Melbourne were left scratching at fleas afterwards.

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[true lilly]

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?

Well?

David Icke OFFICIAL FORUMS is chock full of 'australian's'
(according to the multiple I.D. 'names' that post there),
and even 'Billy Ruben' was REJOICING about his imminent
arrival, and then of course there is 'TISWAS' that's always
DEMANDING David Icke Be WORSHIPED, YET Google has
NOTHING to offer in the way of a review of this latest
PROPAGANDA Tour HIT On MELBOURNE...WHILE THE QUEEN
(that David Icke ATTACKS), was here...AND, ALL QANTAS
Planes were GROUNDED when SHE flew out, and David Icke
should have still been in Melbourne.

'Should Have'...but who knows, all information that was available
is no longer, and there are "date CHANGES"...it used to show
the weekend the Queen was here, but now showing (only at
an events site) that he was here 3 weeks earlier???

Well I found this, and despite all the ICKE DEFENDERS
(see comments),
http://www.vexnews.com/2011/10/darkness-within-neo-nazi-conspiracy-theorists-at-the-heart-of-occupy-melbourne-protest/comment-page-2/#comment-59338
still NO REVIEW!!!???

DARKNESS WITHIN:
Neo-Nazi conspiracy theorists
at the heart of Occupy Melbourne protest
By VEXNEWS ⋅ October 22, 2011

VEXNEWS can reveal that Tina Athanasopoulos,
a key organiser of the Occupy Melbourne
is a devotee of a bizarre anti-Semitic
neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist David Icke. But more of that later.

Occupy Melbourne ended predictably.

Even small-l liberal inner-city Melbourne had thought the protesters
had had a good run, longer than some of its less successful artistic
offerings and that it was time for it to decently conclude.

MESSED OPPORTUNITY
It was a missed opportunity for the mostly naive extremists – and their
Greens party allies – to honour their commitments and leave declaring
some kind of imaginary success over ‘the man’. Instead, in the manner of
the spoiled child, they blocked tram lines used by workers to get home
and fouled up the City Square, leaving it for Council workers to clean
up.


If empowering the “99%” against the “1%” was really the aim, they used and
abused a lot of innocent “99%” victims along the way to make a point
that no-one has yet articulated and no-one comprehends. For reasons we
shall see, some of what lurked behind Occupy Melbourne was much smellier
than even the most unwashed sleeping bag.

Naturally the chancers in the increasingly cynical and sleazy Greens
political party sniffed the opportunity over the body odour.

A self-appointed leader of the gathering, whose involvement in
funny-money “charity” schemes in the past prompt real questions about
his own corporate greed that he has failed to answer, Nick Carson was a Greens party political candidate at the last state election and continues as a member.

POWER BANDT
Their current MP for Melbourne, Dr Adam Bandt PhD, who is so nervous
about holding his seat that he had his party spend $10,000 of
taxpayer-generated funds on Galaxy opinion-polling to rebut claims he
was doing a woeful job as a local MP because he’s a regular no-show at
community events and has alienated many community groups in
inner-Melbourne, jumped all over the Occupy Melbourne sleeping bag,
declaring it was a “blunder” to move the protesters on.

Bandt was supportive of Occupy Melbourne, opining:

“It is no wonder that people are protesting. The richest 20% of
households in Australian have 60 times the wealth of the poorest 20% of
Australians. CEOs are getting huge pay increases and banks are posting
record profits.”

But Bandt is part of the problem of which he complains. He is Mr 1%
in a suit with a smug grin. He flies first class, at taxpayer expense.
He employed his girlfriend in his MP’s office at public expense. He then
got her another cushy job. He is paid nearly $4000 a week to serve as
an MP. He is chauffeured around to the airport in a V8 luxo-barge
ComCar.

He does not eat his own mung-bean cooking of the revolution.

And who could blame him?

KEEPING IT REAL
We don’t think MP’s are paid excessively or should lose perks that
perhaps slightly compensate for all the crap that gets thrown at them
but we do ask wannabe revolutionaries to be consistent and live the
words they preach.

That Socialist Party Yarra councillor Steve Jolly is a shocker. He
wants to reinstate socialism in the world, despite a rather embarrassing
experiment where whole countries were held back in a mire of waste and
indolence for decades with millions of people sent to gulags, persecuted
and murdered by the system that pretended to be a “worker’s paradise”.
In PR terms, we might call this something of a setback, perhaps slightly
“diminishing brand equity” as they might say on St Kilda Road.

But Jolly slings back his council honorarium – and is apparently
required to by his comrades – to the party whose dead horse he so
sincerely flogs and only receives a “living wage.”

If the Greens did that rather than pretend to be groovy
revolutionaries while flying around like pampered poodles, they’d be
more convincing. Jolly may be wrong but the Greens are wrong while being
frauds of the most outrageous kind.

WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED
Meanwhile, there are workers who do it tough. One group of them – highly
unionised – have very high levels of workplace injury and trauma. Most
of them get around $60,000 to $70,000 per annum, maybe a little more
with overtime. They risk their lives, many of them, every time they go
out on the job.


Yep, it’s the Police.
They are working people.

But state Greens MP Colleen Hartland wasn’t impressed. She told her friends at The Age:

“Police in riot gear just started to push me and once that happened I decided that I would be joining in.”

They were doing their job. They did so very cautiously, deliberately
and responsibly in circumstances that ought never have been necessary
because the protesters ought to have packed up, cheered themselves
through the drizzle and declared a victory of some kind over the “man.”

It’s worth contemplating why they didn’t.

It’s because at the heart of the leadership of Occupy Melbourne were
the truly, raving mad. And, even worse, vile and dangerous anti-Semites
and neo-Nazis.

A key Occupy Melbourne organiser
was Tina Athanasopoulos.
She set up its Facebook page,
gave interviews on 3CR
representing them and so on.

And who is this Tina Athanasopoulos?


She’s a devotee of David Icke. VEXNEWS has obtained Facebook entries made by
her in a private David Icke group, where she assured members of his
group that she was a central player in the Occupy Melbourne and that she
would ensure Icke’s views were advanced.

David Icke, apparently touring the nation at the moment, is a leading
conspiracy theorist who expounds views including according to
Wikipedia:

At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is
becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian
humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that
many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen
Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie

Ominously:

According to Barkun, Icke has actively tried to cultivate the far
right. In 1996, he spoke to a conference in Reno, Nevada, alongside
opponents of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act—which mandates
background checks on people who buy guns in the United States—including
Kirk Lyons, a white nationalist lawyer who has represented the Ku Klux
Klan. Barkun argues that the relationship between Icke, the militias,
and the Christian Patriots is complex because of the New Age baggage
Icke brings with him, and he stresses that Icke is not actually a member
of any of these groups, but he has nevertheless absorbed the world view
of the radical right virtually intact.

and, as such, he doesn’t think much of the Jews:

In The Robots’ Rebellion (1994), Icke introduced the idea that
the Global Elite’s plan for world domination was laid out in The
Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903,
which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the
world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic
material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling
villains from a Saturday matinee, as Jon Ronson put it in his
documentary about Icke, David Icke, the Lizards and the Jews (2001)

These are the dogs that elected Greens party politicians have –
hopefully unwittingly – associated themselves with. Little wonder those
who attended Occupy Melbourne were left scratching at fleas afterwards.

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It's been a while...and
you PANICKED
and THREW ME OUT OF
THE THE REPLY PAGE,
when I was just about to
ask the next KILLER QUESTION...


...still no reviews hey....

GOOGLE THIS:
did david icke
do a show in melbourne
october 2011?

I find THE OPPOSITE
to any EVIDENCE that he did!

...but then, I need more than
the words of
tintin/cori/alf hookem/ozpixie
BOTS on DIF...

David Icke Australian and New Zealand Tour [Archive] - David Icke...
www.davidicke.com › ... › Human Race Get Off Your Knees
25 posts - 9 authors - Last post: 23 Oct
The rough dates will be
October 26th to October 29th
where you will spend...

...so, to quote "Ciggy/Billy":

NO PHOTOS. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

[true lilly]

Remember I told you of how
"TINTIN" SPAT VENOM AT EVERY MEMORIAL
TO OUR FALLEN SOLDIERS, while he was here...

...well, here's yet another REAL WORLD,
REAL TIME, REAL PEOPLE, LINK TO TINTIN'S,
NO LONGER SECRET AGENDA, that I've paid
so heavily for REFUSING TO BUY...BASTARD!!!
WANTED ME TO DISHONOUR ALL WHO GAVE
THEIR LIVES FOR OUR LIVES!!!

Don't know how many times I had to remind him
that there is a BIG difference between war mongers,
and HONOURABLE HEARTED SOLDIERS who FOUGHT
FOR KIN, COUNTRY, and OUR CHOICE OF RULER!

No arrest for poppy attacks in shake-up

Protest ... poppies on fire





Poundland U-turn after poppy ban

BUDGET retailer decides staff CAN wear poppies to work after an online outcry

• Barclays in U-turn on staff poppies
  
• The last of the summer winos...
  
• Red tape bans Legion sellers
  
• The Sun Says
  

By GRAEME WILSON
Published: 14 Oct 2011
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BURNING poppies or abusing soldiers may no longer be illegal under plans
unveiled yesterday.

Ministers are considering making it legal to use insulting words or actions to
avoid "criminalising free speech".

Yobs can currently be nicked for being "threatening, abusive or insulting".


Tougher rules ... Theresa May

Emdadur Choudhury, 26, was charged last year after burning poppies and five
Muslims were convicted for shouting insults at a homecoming parade.

Ministers have also unveiled plans to let cops make thugs remove "face
coverings" or masks.

But minister James Brokenshire said: "We must make sure any powers do not
trample upon traditional British freedoms."

Meanwhile, tighter laws brought in by Theresa May saw the number of
anti-terror stop and searches fall from 102,504 to 9,652 last year.
__________________________________________

Yet...YET, HE and "THEY" PROUDLY CALL FOR
REVOLUTIONS AROUND THE WORLD TODAY,
TO HAND RULE TO "THEM"!!!

AND LOOK WHAT THAT COST THOSE,
MOST VULNERABLE, WHO BOUGHT HIS/"THEIR"
CURRENT WAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA!!!


Revolution Hijacked
Broadcast: 01/11/2011
Reporter: Ben Knight

Play video (Flash broadband)


With over 50 new political
parties, the upcoming round of elections draw many candidates to Tahrir
Square each week hoping to influence the voters.

“I do have one regret, that on the 11th of February, we accepted to leave the square. Maybe we should have stayed.” - Salma el Tarzi, documentary maker and protester.

"Salma in the Square",
broadcast in February, was one of Foreign Correspondent’s most
memorable stories this year. As protesters occupied Tahrir Square in
central Cairo, refusing to leave in the face of violence, threats and
intimidation from the regime of Hosni Mubarak, we were there, following
the drama through the eyes of a charismatic young rebel, Salma el Tarzi.

Like
so many others, our crew was beaten by pro-government thugs and
detained by military police. Protesters were shot, beaten and injured.

For
eighteen long days and nights no-one knew whether the revolution would
succeed. Eventually President Mubarak stepped down. The Egyptian Army
stayed neutral; the people had triumphed, or so they thought.

Now we're back in Egypt to see what the revolution has delivered.

Despite
military promises to supervise a quick transition to democracy, that
hasn’t happened. Instead we’ve seen state-sponsored thuggery, the
reimposition of censorship, and thousands of military trials where
people convicted have no right of appeal.

Our crew was on hand on
two occasions when Coptic Christians and Muslim allies clashed with
military and police near the government television station.

In
the second clash at least 27 people were killed and three injured.
Foreign Correspondent was one of the few media teams able to enter the
Coptic Hospital morgue where the dead, many of them squashed by armoured
personnel carriers, had been brought.

“You know the army council is trying to kill the revolution.” - Bothaina Kamel, former newsreader and now presidential candidate

Amid
the bloodshed and trouble there are signs of hope as well. Visit Tahrir
Square and you’ll find a democratic nursery, full of passionate
speakers and throbbing sound systems selling the merits of just some of
Egypt’s fifty new political parties.

Bothaina Kamel and Salma el
Tarzi are just two of many women who now have a voice and a more
prominent role in the new Egypt. Kamel has begun campaigning for a
presidential election which may be as far off as 2013.

And we
meet Ghalia Mahmoud, formerly a humble housewife, now Egypt’s latest
television sensation, with her own cooking show featuring local cuisine.


“The old regime did not want to show on TV that 90 per cent
of the population eat this kind of food. They always had these high
class programs, trying to show the rest of the world that Egyptians are
always eating turkey, lamb, and lobster. They didn’t want to show the
real Egypt.” - Ghalia Mahmoud, television chef
__________________________________

Further information

The Australian Coptic Movement is planning a
Vigil for Peace
in Sydney on Friday November 4
__________________________________
Transcript

KNIGHT:
Being here in this square back in February on the night that Hosni
Mubarak quit was something that I will simply just never forget. Just to
be around so many people who were exploding with joy and relief and
probably most of all, hope. Well coming back you can still find the hope
but I’m also seeing a lot of anger and confusion.

On the right
day, in the right light, Cairo looks serene. The Nile is a timeless
constant. So too it seems is the struggle for power. The revolution is
far from over.
The rebellion gathered and grew nine months ago at a
busy roundabout in the centre of Cairo. As the world knows well enough
now, it’s a place called Tahrir Square. For 18 days and nights,
Egyptians occupied the centre of the city.

Early on Foreign
Correspondent met one of the revolution’s most impressive young leaders,
Salma el Tarzi and followed her as the mood swung from day to day,
hopes rising and falling that President Hosni Mubarak would give up
power.

SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “It’s
overwhelming because there are so many emotions. It’s so beautiful and
so ugly at the same time but there’s this feeling of pride. Everyone in
this square is walking with their backs straight for the first time in
their lives. We are not animals. We have the right to be people and hold
our heads high”.

KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor was also in Tahrir
Square in February on the day the Mubarak regime paid thugs to attack
pro-democracy demonstrators.

NOOR AYMAN NOOR: [During February
protest] “They’re trying to get Egyptians to kill each other. They sent
their supporters with horses and camels so that they can be violent with
us, so that we will kill each other”.

KNIGHT: On the 11th of February, Hosni Mubarak finally stepped down.

SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “I think we’re going to celebrate for another couple of days”.

KNIGHT:
The Egyptian army took over promising it would manage a transition to
democracy. The revolutionaries had won… or so they thought. Now Salma el
Tarzi fears that the army has no intention of going back to the
barracks.

SALMA EL TARZI: “It’s unfortunate that it has to be
this ugly and that the army is forcing the situation that there should
be so much bloodshed but if this is what it takes, then this is what it
takes”.

KNIGHT: Every day, the Egyptian army is looking more and
more like the regime it replaced. This video posted on YouTube has
provoked disgust. It’s hard to watch. It shows soldiers and police
bashing and giving electric shocks to two men they accuse of selling
weapons. This is the sort of brutality for which the Egyptian police
were despised, methods which the army was thought not to practice.

NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “What breaks my heart is the fact that we all knew it would
be a difficult road after Mubarak left. I just never thought that we’d
be oppressed in the exact same way by very similar people, using the
exact same mechanisms”.

KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor is the son of a
prominent Egyptian politician and bears the scars of being a
revolutionary. Aged just twenty-one, all his energies go into resisting
the military’s repression.

NOOR AYMAN NOOR: “People getting
beaten up, people getting killed, people getting arrested, people being
placed on military trials. As well as again using the media to scare
people, to give them the impression that okay the revolution is over,
now it’s time to start building again”.

SALMA EL TARZI: “They’re
just not going to give it to us like this. I mean, let’s be realistic.
These people were running the country for the past 60 years and it would
be very naive to expect that we tell them, okay we want a civil state,
we don’t want you to have anything to do and then they just going to
tell us, okay fine. Take it. I mean it wouldn’t make sense”.

KNIGHT:
Each year Egypt marks the anniversary of the 1973 war with Israel as
Armed Forces Day. The army has traditionally had the trust of the
Egyptian people and that trust was strengthened back in February when
soldiers came onto the street promising not to fire on protesters.

It
was the turning point of the revolution and it paved the way for the
Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, known as SCAF to take over –
promising elections within six months.

The SCAF leader is Field
Marshall Mohammed Tantawi who was Mubarak’s Defence Minister for 20
years and now fills the TV screens once dominated by the President. He
claims progress towards democracy is being made, but many Egyptians have
stopped listening.

BOTHAINA KAMEL: “You know the Army Council,
the SCAF, trying to kill the revolution. We went to the streets on the
25th of January against police and the torture and now we have police
and army police. We have military trials. We have over than 12 thousand
Egyptians accused”.

KNIGHT: Bothaina Kamel was a newsreader on
Egyptian state television until she quit five years ago, saying she
could no longer spruik the government’s propaganda. The revolution has
given her a direction – she’s now running for president.

BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “How to trust army? The mentality of the army is to give orders
and to obey orders. I believe that the army don’t want to give the power
to a civil president. That’s what I believe”.

KNIGHT: When the
military council SCAF announced last month it was bringing back
censorship laws, journalists were furious. In recent months reporters
have been harassed and arrested. Newspapers have been closed and at
Egyptian State Television, very little has changed as Bothaina Kamel
discovered when she appeared on a talk show.

BOTHAINA KAMEL:
[Egyptian talk show] “My program is the revolution’s demands – bread,
freedom and dignity. My slogan is ‘Egypt is my agenda’.”

KNIGHT: State TV management weren’t impressed. The presenter was told to kill the interview.

SHOW
PRESENTER: “Actually, I’m being forced to end the program now. The
producer in the control room has had calls from Dr Sami el-Sherif, head
of the Egyptian television union, ordering us to end this programme now.

BOTHAINA KAMEL: “This is worse than Mubarak’s media”.

KNIGHT: Two days later the army called.

BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “They charged me with insulting a member of the army council and
insulting the army but I said, ‘I respect very much the Egyptian Army
but me and all the Egyptians have the right to criticise the army
council and his politics’. They can’t accept criticising them, but why
we need a revolution?”

KNIGHT: In the working class area of Shoubra, many people are asking the same question.

“So you’re saying the mosques have got louder in recent times?”

DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “Yes. And even after the revolution of course they started under Sadat. We never had that before”.

KNIGHT: Dr Nawal Sadaawi is one of Egypt’s most famous authors and activists and another veteran of Tahrir Square.

DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We have a backlash. We have a backlash against the
revolution, against women, against secularism, against equality, against
democracy”.

KNIGHT: This is the problem. Everyone in Egypt has their own idea about what their revolution was about.

“Do you trust the army to steer Egypt towards democracy?”

DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “No. Two things I don’t trust. Military rule and religious rule. We must have a secular civil government”.

KNIGHT: “And what if you don’t get it?”

DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We fight for it. Nobody dreamt, I am a very, I am a
woman of struggle, of confrontation you know? I am a fighter, not only a
writer, so I struggle for everything – in my private life and in my
public life – so we never dreamt that Mubarak would leave”.

KNIGHT: The revolution was not just a reaction to the excesses of the regime, it was also driven by the fundamentals of life.
Ghalia Mahmoud is in many ways fairly typical of Egypt’s massive working class.

“So the poverty, was that why you supported the revolution or was there another reason?”

GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Of course. The revolution grew out of poverty and hunger –
that’s the main reason behind it. Some people had too much, while others
were hungry. That was the reason for the revolution – social justice”.

KNIGHT: “So Ghalia what’s your weekly food budget for your family?”

GHALIA MAHMOUD: “No more than 100 Egyptian pounds for the whole week”.

KNIGHT: “So for about 15 American dollars a week you’re feeding a family of ten, so what do they eat for that much money?”

GHALIA MAHMOUD: “Once a week I’ll feed them chicken or meat. The rest of the week is all vegetables with rice”.

KNIGHT:
While Ghalia still skimps on the household budget, the revolution has
given her a chance to show other Egyptians what they can do.

GHALIA MAHMOUD: [on her TV show] “Welcome my friends – and today is a new and delightful day”.

KNIGHT: It’s changed her life in ways she could never have expected. Ghalia Mahmoud is Egypt’s newest celebrity chef.

GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Today we’re going to cook breaded marrows in olive oil with
marrows and tomatoes. It’s a beautiful dish – you will enjoy it”.

KNIGHT:
There’s never been a show like this on Egyptian television and not just
because Hosni Mubarak’s wife Suzanne banned women in headscarves from
appearing on screen.

GHALIA MAHMOUD: “The old regime did not
want to show on TV that 90 per cent of the population cook this kind of
food. They always had these high-class programs trying to show the rest
of the world that Egyptians are always eating turkey, lamb and lobster.
They didn’t want to show the real Egypt”.

KNIGHT: Ghalia Mahmoud
was discovered while she was working as a cook for the sister of TV
producer Mohamed Gohar. He knew she’d be perfect for his new station,
called “25” after the January 25th revolution. Channel 25 broadcasts
from a studio in the shadow of the massive state television building. As
we left it that night, we walked straight into demonstrators who were
targeting that TV centre, known as the Maspiro.

Coptic
Christians were demanding that the army keep its promise to protect all
Egyptians. Since the revolution, they’ve come under increasing attack
from Muslim extremists.

MOHAMED ATEF: “The Egyptian revolution
meant for all Egyptians, freedom. But unfortunately the freedom didn’t
reach us until now. Until now we didn’t get it. I am Muslim but I am
talking in the same tongue as my Coptic brothers. The Egyptian
revolution didn’t protect them, didn’t protect their freedom to
religion”.

KNIGHT: Four nights later we’re back near the
government television centre again watching a much bigger rally by
Christians and some of their Muslim allies. Initially they’re attacked
by thugs. Then, there are running street battles with riot police and
soldiers. State TV inflames the situation telling its viewers the army
is coming under attack from Christians and that people should come onto
the streets to help the soldiers.

Armoured vehicles career into
crowds, crushing protestors to death. We heard gunshots, riot police
fired tear gas and charge with batons raised. We’re chased across a
bridge spanning the Nile. State TV reports that three soldiers have been
killed but it says nothing about any other casualties.
At Cairo’s Coptic Hospital we find them. Chaos reigns in the morgue. People are keen to show us the victims.

There’s
only room for three bodies in the refrigerated section. The bodies of
14 others are laid on the floor. Their faces uncovered for their
families to identify them.

“This is not the first time that I’ve
been in a morgue but it would have to be the most distressing. Normally
you’re looking at the bodies that are casualties of war. These are
casualties of something else. I can’t describe the injuries. When a face
is caved in, it doesn’t come from a bullet, it comes from something…
who knows what.

What is also distressing is the way that the
grief here is now turning to anger and outside these walls is the
Egyptian Army. Now this is now where the protest and the riot took
place. It was four or five kilometres away from here, but the Army has
now come here. There are running battles outside in the street. We can’t
leave. No one in here can leave. Why are they there?”

PAULUS ZAKI: “We are Christian. We come for the peace. We only came to Maspiro and we told them we’d finish about 8 o’clock”.

KNIGHT: “They said that you set fire to the police vehicles, that police officers were killed”.

PAULUS
ZAKI: “Yes police officers and the army, the Egyptian Army. I cannot
believe the Egyptian Army has killed Egyptian people. Whatever
nationality we are, we are Egyptian. We cannot believe that. How can you
do this to people, why?”

KNIGHT: At least 27 people were killed and 300 wounded in the worst episode of violence since the revolution.
SCAF called a media conference to defend itself against accusations of murder.

ARMY PERSONNEL: “The Armed Forces would never direct its fire at the people”.

KNIGHT:
“The army claims soldiers didn’t use live ammunition and didn’t
deliberately run over anyone. It blames the deaths on unnamed
infiltrators trying to destroy the revolution”.

SALMA EL TARZI:
“And they always use big words like, ‘foreign conspiracy’, ‘mysterious
powers’, ‘powers of darkness’ and this is not a joke. One of the
statements said ‘the mysterious powers of darkness’. It was like Darth
Vader is invading Cairo. They never tell you who this is but they always
keep it vague and they always make you feel that there is this huge
conspiracy against Egypt and it’s everyone’s duty to really protect it
and the only way to protect it is to kill the people that are
demonstrating in the street”.

KNIGHT: On the night of the Coptic
protest, Channel 25 shows pictures of the melee outside its windows.
Suddenly, armed soldiers burst into its studio. The pregnant news
presenter is terrified. A Christian staffer is beaten up.
Channel 25
protests against the army raid and shuts down. Ghalia Mahmoud’s new
career looks short lived. But in the past week, both Channel 25 and
Ghalia are back on the air.

Many other Egyptians are also finding
that the revolution isn’t delivering change. The economy is paralysed.
Half the population lives on less than two dollars a day. Even in the
fertile Nile Valley, farmers can only afford to lease tiny plots of
land. They’re desperately poor. In the village of Kafr Hemayed there’s
no sanitation and very little running water and electricity. It has only
a junior school and as many as eighty-five students are crammed into
each classroom.

“This village is believed to be the poorest in
the governorate of Giza, although figures are almost impossible to come
by. But it’s exactly the sort of place that was ignored and taken for
granted by the ruling party. No politician of any consequence ever came
here and certainly no one ever felt the need to campaign here, but
tonight that’s going to change”.

Bothaina Kamel wants to be president to improve villagers’ lives yet she’s asking some difficult questions of potential voters.

BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “Do you believe in equality, meaning that the rich and the poor
are equal and that we’re all equal? We must believe that this is the
principle we must fight for – that no Muslim is better than a Christian.
And when we educate, we educate the boy and the girl”.

KNIGHT:
She crashes a wedding party, but no one seems to mind. Her TV profile
probably helps. Most people just seem stunned that someone like her is
actually paying attention to them. At the mayor’s house, village leaders
are pouring out their problems. Bothaina Kamel asks them to swear a
pledge.

BOTHAINA KAMEL: [village leaders repeat after her] “I
swear by the Almighty God I will not go back to my old ways, being a
passive citizen. And that I will not let anyone steal my rights and my
homeland’s rights and my children’s rights”.

KNIGHT: One positive
effect of the February revolution has been the emergence of grass roots
political debate in Egypt. There are now more than 50 new political
parties - and in Tahrir Square come most Friday’s, each sets up its own
stage and PA system, each trying to drown out the others with ear
splitting speeches. The first round of parliamentary elections is due at
the end of the month, but even now after nine months in charge, SCAF
issues contradictory instructions about how those elections will be
conducted. The pro democracy campaigners have no confidence in them.

NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “We’re going to see lots of bloodshed during these
elections so that the army can come back and say, look we said it before
the Egyptian people aren’t ready now for democracy, there’s going to be
a mini-military takeover, we’re going to take things over until things
are stable again and then we’ll open things up for democracy later”.

KNIGHT:
18 days of defying the Mubarak regime dramatically changed Salma el
Tarzi’s life and while maintaining the rage still dominates her life,
she is getting back to work making documentaries. It’s not easy finding
the balance.

SALMA EL TARZI: “I do not expect the revolution to
be over soon. We are cleaning up the mess of the past, not only 30
years, I believe the past 60 years and it’s not going to happen in nine
months”.

COPTIC GROUP CHANTING: [at funeral] “With our spirit,
with our blood we sacrifice for the Cross. With our spirit, with our
blood we sacrifice for the Cross”.

KNIGHT: When the Coptic
community buried their dead, they called them martyrs. It’s an overused
word in the Middle East, but it’s still highly loaded. As each coffin
arrives, waves of emotion rip through the cathedral. For some the
anguish is too much to bear. Respect for human rights was a key demand
for pro democracy campaigners. While the army initially seemed to
understand this, the slaughter of Egyptian Christians has triggered the
biggest crisis in the country since the revolution.

The military
council intends to hold onto power until the Constitution is rewritten
and a presidential election is held. That could be as late as 2013 – far
too long for an impatient, angry people.

[true lilly]

PATHETIC, LOSER CHEATS...'Team TINTIN/ICKE'...
...somehow think it was a clever tactic, to live-time hack,
my efforts at trying to post these Currant, Hot, News reports
(along with a bit a of my, real, living human, real life connections
and experiences), but 'they' forget, I'm done warning...I basically
just let what is in the News, remind folk of the validity of
the warnings, that for years, I've been posting to watch for.

I had hoped, that after coming and seeing for himself,
the Blessings (that can't be made, bought or stolen),
and continuing to see those Real, Life Saving Blessings,
that "tintin" might also have found the courage that comes
with true Faith in The Creator of Life (that this little no body
has so richly been blessed with, by Living By That Faith),
and so, repent of his ways, and use his powerful position, for
Doing Justice.

How sad, that instead, he's only worked harder to recruit yet more,
selfish, self-serving, gutless fools, to attack yet more of those who
who are least able to protect and defend themselves, and how fitting,
that in doing so, he's driven yet more to Remember and Turn To,
THE Creator GOD, Who WARNED US ALL, FROM THE BEGINNING.
Poppy-burning image
leads to Northern Ireland arrests
Police question Coleraine residents after a picture of
two people burning a poppy appears on Facebook
Henry McDonald, Ireland correspondent
guardian.co.uk,
Thursday 3 November 2011 12.13 GMT
Article history

Poppies at the British Legion poppy factory in Richmond, west London. Photograph: Suzanne Plunkett/Reuters

A number of people have been arrested in Northern Ireland after a picture of two youths burning a poppy was posted on Facebook.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland confirmed it was questioning people
from the Coleraine area after the image appeared on the website.
The Royal British Legion member Stephen Phillips, who reported the image
to the police, said he was shocked when he saw it.
"I couldn't believe what I was seeing," he said.

He added that those responsible for such incidents should realise "it
wasn't just Protestants, there were Catholics, there were Muslims, there
were Hindu people who laid their lives down in both world wars".

Robin Swann, an Stormont assembly member for the Ulster Unionist party, also denounced the online image.

"Clearly something is lacking in the lives of these young people and they
deserve our utter contempt. They certainly have no grasp of history or
current affairs. If they did they would know that the poppy remembers
the tens of thousands of Irishmen from both traditions who served in the
British army in the first world war, and also those who stood against Hitler
and fascism in the second world war. How anyone could be so ignorant
as to burn a symbol which remembers the fallen is beyond belief," he said.

"The tragic irony is that the freedoms
which the poppy burners both enjoy and abuse
have been paid for by other young men and women
who have the courage to
put on a uniform and place themselves in harm."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_British_Legion_Riders_Branch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_British_Legion
I took my DEERhound POPPY for a walk yesterday
to visit a dear friend, and while there the subject of
attacking the memory of Our Fallen Soldiers came up.
We agreed that was CROSSING A LINE.

The subject of "tintin" SPITTING VENOM at ALL
Our Memorials while he was here, also came up.

I then went to two different supermarkets, were I bought
a POPPY at each. At the second, the gentleman selling
POPPIES, offered to watch my Deerhound, POPPY, while
I shopped. But forgetting I'd spent my cash buying pet
meat, I only had a dollar cash when I got out, so I intend
to go back out today and buy more from him.

As a child, war stories were my bedtime stories. My uncle
was a war casualty soldier in WW2. The only child who my
grandfather didn't manage to bring safely from Eastern
Europe, during WW1, into Yugoslavia, and out of there
after WW2, to AUSTRALIA.

He encouraged us to BE AUSTRALIAN, and BE GRATEFUL
To This Country, while also working for the Ukrainian community,
to help us become productive members of our new, and final
destination, Nation. Not begging from our Government for funding,
but building homes and centers of fund raising For Our New Country.

And he warned us of who the enemy were, who also came
to Australia. That they hadn't left behind, their treacherous,
bloody ways. And though most of my generation didn't want
to believe they could remain as they were in Europe, He was
Right.

LEST WE FORGET.

Extremist told hands off our heroes
Extremist told hands off our heroes

Shannon Deery

FEDERAL police are investigating a
heartless website campaign by a Muslim extremist
desecrating the memory of fallen soldiers.

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Editorial: More pain for their families

Remember I told you of how
"TINTIN" SPAT VENOM AT EVERY MEMORIAL
TO OUR FALLEN SOLDIERS, while he was here...

...well, here's yet another REAL WORLD,
REAL TIME, REAL PEOPLE, LINK TO TINTIN'S,
NO LONGER SECRET AGENDA, that I've paid
so heavily for REFUSING TO BUY...BASTARD!!!
WANTED ME TO DISHONOUR ALL WHO GAVE
THEIR LIVES FOR OUR LIVES!!!

Don't know how many times I had to remind him
that there is a BIG difference between war mongers,
and HONOURABLE HEARTED SOLDIERS who FOUGHT
FOR KIN, COUNTRY, and OUR CHOICE OF RULER!

No arrest for poppy attacks in shake-up

Protest ... poppies on fire





Poundland U-turn after poppy ban

BUDGET retailer decides staff CAN wear poppies to work after an online outcry

• Barclays in U-turn on staff poppies
  
• The last of the summer winos...
  
• Red tape bans Legion sellers
  
• The Sun Says
  

By GRAEME WILSON
Published: 14 Oct 2011
Add a comment
(95)

BURNING poppies or abusing soldiers may no longer be illegal under plans
unveiled yesterday.

Ministers are considering making it legal to use insulting words or actions to
avoid "criminalising free speech".

Yobs can currently be nicked for being "threatening, abusive or insulting".


Tougher rules ... Theresa May

Emdadur Choudhury, 26, was charged last year after burning poppies and five
Muslims were convicted for shouting insults at a homecoming parade.

Ministers have also unveiled plans to let cops make thugs remove "face
coverings" or masks.

But minister James Brokenshire said: "We must make sure any powers do not
trample upon traditional British freedoms."

Meanwhile, tighter laws brought in by Theresa May saw the number of
anti-terror stop and searches fall from 102,504 to 9,652 last year.
__________________________________________

Yet...YET, HE and "THEY" PROUDLY CALL FOR
REVOLUTIONS AROUND THE WORLD TODAY,
TO HAND RULE TO "THEM"!!!

AND LOOK WHAT THAT COST THOSE,
MOST VULNERABLE, WHO BOUGHT HIS/"THEIR"
CURRENT WAR MONGERING PROPAGANDA!!!

Revolution Hijacked
Broadcast: 01/11/2011
Reporter: Ben Knight

Play video (Flash broadband)


With over 50 new political
parties, the upcoming round of elections draw many candidates to Tahrir
Square each week hoping to influence the voters.

“I do have one regret, that on the 11th of February, we accepted to leave the square. Maybe we should have stayed.” - Salma el Tarzi, documentary maker and protester.

"Salma in the Square",
broadcast in February, was one of Foreign Correspondent’s most
memorable stories this year. As protesters occupied Tahrir Square in
central Cairo, refusing to leave in the face of violence, threats and
intimidation from the regime of Hosni Mubarak, we were there, following
the drama through the eyes of a charismatic young rebel, Salma el Tarzi.

Like
so many others, our crew was beaten by pro-government thugs and
detained by military police. Protesters were shot, beaten and injured.

For
eighteen long days and nights no-one knew whether the revolution would
succeed. Eventually President Mubarak stepped down. The Egyptian Army
stayed neutral; the people had triumphed, or so they thought.

Now we're back in Egypt to see what the revolution has delivered.

Despite
military promises to supervise a quick transition to democracy, that
hasn’t happened. Instead we’ve seen state-sponsored thuggery, the
reimposition of censorship, and thousands of military trials where
people convicted have no right of appeal.

Our crew was on hand on
two occasions when Coptic Christians and Muslim allies clashed with
military and police near the government television station.

In
the second clash at least 27 people were killed and three injured.
Foreign Correspondent was one of the few media teams able to enter the
Coptic Hospital morgue where the dead, many of them squashed by armoured
personnel carriers, had been brought.

“You know the army council is trying to kill the revolution.” - Bothaina Kamel, former newsreader and now presidential candidate

Amid
the bloodshed and trouble there are signs of hope as well. Visit Tahrir
Square and you’ll find a democratic nursery, full of passionate
speakers and throbbing sound systems selling the merits of just some of
Egypt’s fifty new political parties.

Bothaina Kamel and Salma el
Tarzi are just two of many women who now have a voice and a more
prominent role in the new Egypt. Kamel has begun campaigning for a
presidential election which may be as far off as 2013.

And we
meet Ghalia Mahmoud, formerly a humble housewife, now Egypt’s latest
television sensation, with her own cooking show featuring local cuisine.


“The old regime did not want to show on TV that 90 per cent
of the population eat this kind of food. They always had these high
class programs, trying to show the rest of the world that Egyptians are
always eating turkey, lamb, and lobster. They didn’t want to show the
real Egypt.” - Ghalia Mahmoud, television chef
__________________________________

Further information

The Australian Coptic Movement is planning a
Vigil for Peace
in Sydney on Friday November 4
__________________________________
Transcript

KNIGHT:
Being here in this square back in February on the night that Hosni
Mubarak quit was something that I will simply just never forget. Just to
be around so many people who were exploding with joy and relief and
probably most of all, hope. Well coming back you can still find the hope
but I’m also seeing a lot of anger and confusion.

On the right
day, in the right light, Cairo looks serene. The Nile is a timeless
constant. So too it seems is the struggle for power. The revolution is
far from over.
The rebellion gathered and grew nine months ago at a
busy roundabout in the centre of Cairo. As the world knows well enough
now, it’s a place called Tahrir Square. For 18 days and nights,
Egyptians occupied the centre of the city.

Early on Foreign
Correspondent met one of the revolution’s most impressive young leaders,
Salma el Tarzi and followed her as the mood swung from day to day,
hopes rising and falling that President Hosni Mubarak would give up
power.

SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “It’s
overwhelming because there are so many emotions. It’s so beautiful and
so ugly at the same time but there’s this feeling of pride. Everyone in
this square is walking with their backs straight for the first time in
their lives. We are not animals. We have the right to be people and hold
our heads high”.

KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor was also in Tahrir
Square in February on the day the Mubarak regime paid thugs to attack
pro-democracy demonstrators.

NOOR AYMAN NOOR: [During February
protest] “They’re trying to get Egyptians to kill each other. They sent
their supporters with horses and camels so that they can be violent with
us, so that we will kill each other”.

KNIGHT: On the 11th of February, Hosni Mubarak finally stepped down.

SALMA EL TARZI: [During February protest] “I think we’re going to celebrate for another couple of days”.

KNIGHT:
The Egyptian army took over promising it would manage a transition to
democracy. The revolutionaries had won… or so they thought. Now Salma el
Tarzi fears that the army has no intention of going back to the
barracks.

SALMA EL TARZI: “It’s unfortunate that it has to be
this ugly and that the army is forcing the situation that there should
be so much bloodshed but if this is what it takes, then this is what it
takes”.

KNIGHT: Every day, the Egyptian army is looking more and
more like the regime it replaced. This video posted on YouTube has
provoked disgust. It’s hard to watch. It shows soldiers and police
bashing and giving electric shocks to two men they accuse of selling
weapons. This is the sort of brutality for which the Egyptian police
were despised, methods which the army was thought not to practice.

NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “What breaks my heart is the fact that we all knew it would
be a difficult road after Mubarak left. I just never thought that we’d
be oppressed in the exact same way by very similar people, using the
exact same mechanisms”.

KNIGHT: Noor Ayman Noor is the son of a
prominent Egyptian politician and bears the scars of being a
revolutionary. Aged just twenty-one, all his energies go into resisting
the military’s repression.

NOOR AYMAN NOOR: “People getting
beaten up, people getting killed, people getting arrested, people being
placed on military trials. As well as again using the media to scare
people, to give them the impression that okay the revolution is over,
now it’s time to start building again”.

SALMA EL TARZI: “They’re
just not going to give it to us like this. I mean, let’s be realistic.
These people were running the country for the past 60 years and it would
be very naive to expect that we tell them, okay we want a civil state,
we don’t want you to have anything to do and then they just going to
tell us, okay fine. Take it. I mean it wouldn’t make sense”.

KNIGHT:
Each year Egypt marks the anniversary of the 1973 war with Israel as
Armed Forces Day. The army has traditionally had the trust of the
Egyptian people and that trust was strengthened back in February when
soldiers came onto the street promising not to fire on protesters.

It
was the turning point of the revolution and it paved the way for the
Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, known as SCAF to take over –
promising elections within six months.

The SCAF leader is Field
Marshall Mohammed Tantawi who was Mubarak’s Defence Minister for 20
years and now fills the TV screens once dominated by the President. He
claims progress towards democracy is being made, but many Egyptians have
stopped listening.

BOTHAINA KAMEL: “You know the Army Council,
the SCAF, trying to kill the revolution. We went to the streets on the
25th of January against police and the torture and now we have police
and army police. We have military trials. We have over than 12 thousand
Egyptians accused”.

KNIGHT: Bothaina Kamel was a newsreader on
Egyptian state television until she quit five years ago, saying she
could no longer spruik the government’s propaganda. The revolution has
given her a direction – she’s now running for president.

BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “How to trust army? The mentality of the army is to give orders
and to obey orders. I believe that the army don’t want to give the power
to a civil president. That’s what I believe”.

KNIGHT: When the
military council SCAF announced last month it was bringing back
censorship laws, journalists were furious. In recent months reporters
have been harassed and arrested. Newspapers have been closed and at
Egyptian State Television, very little has changed as Bothaina Kamel
discovered when she appeared on a talk show.

BOTHAINA KAMEL:
[Egyptian talk show] “My program is the revolution’s demands – bread,
freedom and dignity. My slogan is ‘Egypt is my agenda’.”

KNIGHT: State TV management weren’t impressed. The presenter was told to kill the interview.

SHOW
PRESENTER: “Actually, I’m being forced to end the program now. The
producer in the control room has had calls from Dr Sami el-Sherif, head
of the Egyptian television union, ordering us to end this programme now.

BOTHAINA KAMEL: “This is worse than Mubarak’s media”.

KNIGHT: Two days later the army called.

BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “They charged me with insulting a member of the army council and
insulting the army but I said, ‘I respect very much the Egyptian Army
but me and all the Egyptians have the right to criticise the army
council and his politics’. They can’t accept criticising them, but why
we need a revolution?”

KNIGHT: In the working class area of Shoubra, many people are asking the same question.

“So you’re saying the mosques have got louder in recent times?”

DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “Yes. And even after the revolution of course they started under Sadat. We never had that before”.

KNIGHT: Dr Nawal Sadaawi is one of Egypt’s most famous authors and activists and another veteran of Tahrir Square.

DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We have a backlash. We have a backlash against the
revolution, against women, against secularism, against equality, against
democracy”.

KNIGHT: This is the problem. Everyone in Egypt has their own idea about what their revolution was about.

“Do you trust the army to steer Egypt towards democracy?”

DR NAWAL SADAAWI: “No. Two things I don’t trust. Military rule and religious rule. We must have a secular civil government”.

KNIGHT: “And what if you don’t get it?”

DR
NAWAL SADAAWI: “We fight for it. Nobody dreamt, I am a very, I am a
woman of struggle, of confrontation you know? I am a fighter, not only a
writer, so I struggle for everything – in my private life and in my
public life – so we never dreamt that Mubarak would leave”.

KNIGHT: The revolution was not just a reaction to the excesses of the regime, it was also driven by the fundamentals of life.
Ghalia Mahmoud is in many ways fairly typical of Egypt’s massive working class.

“So the poverty, was that why you supported the revolution or was there another reason?”

GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Of course. The revolution grew out of poverty and hunger –
that’s the main reason behind it. Some people had too much, while others
were hungry. That was the reason for the revolution – social justice”.

KNIGHT: “So Ghalia what’s your weekly food budget for your family?”

GHALIA MAHMOUD: “No more than 100 Egyptian pounds for the whole week”.

KNIGHT: “So for about 15 American dollars a week you’re feeding a family of ten, so what do they eat for that much money?”

GHALIA MAHMOUD: “Once a week I’ll feed them chicken or meat. The rest of the week is all vegetables with rice”.

KNIGHT:
While Ghalia still skimps on the household budget, the revolution has
given her a chance to show other Egyptians what they can do.

GHALIA MAHMOUD: [on her TV show] “Welcome my friends – and today is a new and delightful day”.

KNIGHT: It’s changed her life in ways she could never have expected. Ghalia Mahmoud is Egypt’s newest celebrity chef.

GHALIA
MAHMOUD: “Today we’re going to cook breaded marrows in olive oil with
marrows and tomatoes. It’s a beautiful dish – you will enjoy it”.

KNIGHT:
There’s never been a show like this on Egyptian television and not just
because Hosni Mubarak’s wife Suzanne banned women in headscarves from
appearing on screen.

GHALIA MAHMOUD: “The old regime did not
want to show on TV that 90 per cent of the population cook this kind of
food. They always had these high-class programs trying to show the rest
of the world that Egyptians are always eating turkey, lamb and lobster.
They didn’t want to show the real Egypt”.

KNIGHT: Ghalia Mahmoud
was discovered while she was working as a cook for the sister of TV
producer Mohamed Gohar. He knew she’d be perfect for his new station,
called “25” after the January 25th revolution. Channel 25 broadcasts
from a studio in the shadow of the massive state television building. As
we left it that night, we walked straight into demonstrators who were
targeting that TV centre, known as the Maspiro.

Coptic
Christians were demanding that the army keep its promise to protect all
Egyptians. Since the revolution, they’ve come under increasing attack
from Muslim extremists.

MOHAMED ATEF: “The Egyptian revolution
meant for all Egyptians, freedom. But unfortunately the freedom didn’t
reach us until now. Until now we didn’t get it. I am Muslim but I am
talking in the same tongue as my Coptic brothers. The Egyptian
revolution didn’t protect them, didn’t protect their freedom to
religion”.

KNIGHT: Four nights later we’re back near the
government television centre again watching a much bigger rally by
Christians and some of their Muslim allies. Initially they’re attacked
by thugs. Then, there are running street battles with riot police and
soldiers. State TV inflames the situation telling its viewers the army
is coming under attack from Christians and that people should come onto
the streets to help the soldiers.

Armoured vehicles career into
crowds, crushing protestors to death. We heard gunshots, riot police
fired tear gas and charge with batons raised. We’re chased across a
bridge spanning the Nile. State TV reports that three soldiers have been
killed but it says nothing about any other casualties.
At Cairo’s Coptic Hospital we find them. Chaos reigns in the morgue. People are keen to show us the victims.

There’s
only room for three bodies in the refrigerated section. The bodies of
14 others are laid on the floor. Their faces uncovered for their
families to identify them.

“This is not the first time that I’ve
been in a morgue but it would have to be the most distressing. Normally
you’re looking at the bodies that are casualties of war. These are
casualties of something else. I can’t describe the injuries. When a face
is caved in, it doesn’t come from a bullet, it comes from something…
who knows what.

What is also distressing is the way that the
grief here is now turning to anger and outside these walls is the
Egyptian Army. Now this is now where the protest and the riot took
place. It was four or five kilometres away from here, but the Army has
now come here. There are running battles outside in the street. We can’t
leave. No one in here can leave. Why are they there?”

PAULUS ZAKI: “We are Christian. We come for the peace. We only came to Maspiro and we told them we’d finish about 8 o’clock”.

KNIGHT: “They said that you set fire to the police vehicles, that police officers were killed”.

PAULUS
ZAKI: “Yes police officers and the army, the Egyptian Army. I cannot
believe the Egyptian Army has killed Egyptian people. Whatever
nationality we are, we are Egyptian. We cannot believe that. How can you
do this to people, why?”

KNIGHT: At least 27 people were killed and 300 wounded in the worst episode of violence since the revolution.
SCAF called a media conference to defend itself against accusations of murder.

ARMY PERSONNEL: “The Armed Forces would never direct its fire at the people”.

KNIGHT:
“The army claims soldiers didn’t use live ammunition and didn’t
deliberately run over anyone. It blames the deaths on unnamed
infiltrators trying to destroy the revolution”.

SALMA EL TARZI:
“And they always use big words like, ‘foreign conspiracy’, ‘mysterious
powers’, ‘powers of darkness’ and this is not a joke. One of the
statements said ‘the mysterious powers of darkness’. It was like Darth
Vader is invading Cairo. They never tell you who this is but they always
keep it vague and they always make you feel that there is this huge
conspiracy against Egypt and it’s everyone’s duty to really protect it
and the only way to protect it is to kill the people that are
demonstrating in the street”.

KNIGHT: On the night of the Coptic
protest, Channel 25 shows pictures of the melee outside its windows.
Suddenly, armed soldiers burst into its studio. The pregnant news
presenter is terrified. A Christian staffer is beaten up.
Channel 25
protests against the army raid and shuts down. Ghalia Mahmoud’s new
career looks short lived. But in the past week, both Channel 25 and
Ghalia are back on the air.

Many other Egyptians are also finding
that the revolution isn’t delivering change. The economy is paralysed.
Half the population lives on less than two dollars a day. Even in the
fertile Nile Valley, farmers can only afford to lease tiny plots of
land. They’re desperately poor. In the village of Kafr Hemayed there’s
no sanitation and very little running water and electricity. It has only
a junior school and as many as eighty-five students are crammed into
each classroom.

“This village is believed to be the poorest in
the governorate of Giza, although figures are almost impossible to come
by. But it’s exactly the sort of place that was ignored and taken for
granted by the ruling party. No politician of any consequence ever came
here and certainly no one ever felt the need to campaign here, but
tonight that’s going to change”.

Bothaina Kamel wants to be president to improve villagers’ lives yet she’s asking some difficult questions of potential voters.

BOTHAINA
KAMEL: “Do you believe in equality, meaning that the rich and the poor
are equal and that we’re all equal? We must believe that this is the
principle we must fight for – that no Muslim is better than a Christian.
And when we educate, we educate the boy and the girl”.

KNIGHT:
She crashes a wedding party, but no one seems to mind. Her TV profile
probably helps. Most people just seem stunned that someone like her is
actually paying attention to them. At the mayor’s house, village leaders
are pouring out their problems. Bothaina Kamel asks them to swear a
pledge.

BOTHAINA KAMEL: [village leaders repeat after her] “I
swear by the Almighty God I will not go back to my old ways, being a
passive citizen. And that I will not let anyone steal my rights and my
homeland’s rights and my children’s rights”.

KNIGHT: One positive
effect of the February revolution has been the emergence of grass roots
political debate in Egypt. There are now more than 50 new political
parties - and in Tahrir Square come most Friday’s, each sets up its own
stage and PA system, each trying to drown out the others with ear
splitting speeches. The first round of parliamentary elections is due at
the end of the month, but even now after nine months in charge, SCAF
issues contradictory instructions about how those elections will be
conducted. The pro democracy campaigners have no confidence in them.

NOOR
AYMAN NOOR: “We’re going to see lots of bloodshed during these
elections so that the army can come back and say, look we said it before
the Egyptian people aren’t ready now for democracy, there’s going to be
a mini-military takeover, we’re going to take things over until things
are stable again and then we’ll open things up for democracy later”.

KNIGHT:
18 days of defying the Mubarak regime dramatically changed Salma el
Tarzi’s life and while maintaining the rage still dominates her life,
she is getting back to work making documentaries. It’s not easy finding
the balance.

SALMA EL TARZI: “I do not expect the revolution to
be over soon. We are cleaning up the mess of the past, not only 30
years, I believe the past 60 years and it’s not going to happen in nine
months”.

COPTIC GROUP CHANTING: [at funeral] “With our spirit,
with our blood we sacrifice for the Cross. With our spirit, with our
blood we sacrifice for the Cross”.

KNIGHT: When the Coptic
community buried their dead, they called them martyrs. It’s an overused
word in the Middle East, but it’s still highly loaded. As each coffin
arrives, waves of emotion rip through the cathedral. For some the
anguish is too much to bear. Respect for human rights was a key demand
for pro democracy campaigners. While the army initially seemed to
understand this, the slaughter of Egyptian Christians has triggered the
biggest crisis in the country since the revolution.

The military
council intends to hold onto power until the Constitution is rewritten
and a presidential election is held. That could be as late as 2013 – far
too long for an impatient, angry people.

Psalms 107:1-43
1
O give thanks to Jehovah, YOU people, for he is good;
For his loving-kindness is to time indefinite.
2
Let the reclaimed ones of Jehovah say so,
Whom he has reclaimed from the hand of the adversary,
3
And whom he has collected together even from the lands,
From the sunrise and from the sunset,
From the north and from the south.
Read on, and Understand,
The Full, Descriptive Meaning:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=107&v=1&t=KJV#1[/quote]

[true lilly]

But God told us from the beginning, and I've been
posting the evidence for over half a decade, that there
would be an invasion, and the re-gathering of Israel to
O'Zion...yet...

Sweet asylum deal for Wickham Point near Darwin

by:Steve Lewis
From:Herald Sun
November 05, 2011
12:00AM

THE head of the Paspaley pearling dynasty and a Darwin property
developer have secured a $200 million taxpayer-funded contract to build a
detention centre - without submitting a competitive tender.

The Immigration Department admits usual procurement rules were
short-circuited to meet a "pressing" need to provide accommodation for
asylum seekers.

A lucrative contract was awarded to a joint venture involving Nicholas Paspaley - executive chairman of Paspaley Pearls - and John "Foxy" Robinson.

They will build and manage the new facility at Wickham Point, which is
about 35km from Darwin. They have also secured a three-year lease
agreement with Immigration.

The first of 1500 asylum seekers are expected to be moved to Wickham Point
within a few months as the Gillard Government tries to take the pressure
off an over-crowded detention network.

Related Coverage

• Gillard faces a new crisis Herald Sun, 1 hour ago
  
• Paspaley collection launch The Daily Telegraph, 6 Oct 2011
  
• Paspaley Pearls Polo Party The Daily Telegraph, 9 Sep 2011
  
• Christmas Island starts to downsize The Australian, 29 Jun 2011
  
• New detention centre approved for Territory Herald Sun, 7 Jun 2011
  

Contracts listed on the Commonwealth's tender website reveal an $114.8
million contract was awarded to Trepang Services Unit Trust through
"direct" procurement. A further $82.4 million contract was awarded to Wickham Point Development Pty Ltd - again using "direct" procurement.

Company records show Mr Robinson and Mr Paspaley jointly own the two
enterprises - with Mr Robinson and Mark Jagla, who is Paspaley Group's
property manager, listed as directors.

The Paspaley family have expanded their business interests to include aviation,
farming and marine engineering.

Ironically, given his interest in the immigration centre, Mr Paspaley's family fled the Greek island of Castellorizo during WWI.

Mr Robinson - who just months ago signed a $20.42 million Immigration
contract to let 400 rooms to accommodate asylum seekers- has just paid
$4.7 million for the city's most expensive home. He did not return calls
yesterday.

Immigration said the contract was "sourced directly
from the developer on the basis of an unsolicited, innovative proposal
that provided timely value for money solution to addressing a pressing
need".

Contacted yesterday, Mr Jagla said he was "not in a position" to comment on how the venture secured the $200 million contracts.

Mr Jagla said the development was "not a Paspaley family thing".

Announcing the development in March, Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said it
provided a "better and more cost-effective option for easing the pressure on detention accommodation".

sBut the Opposition's immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said the
Minister must explain why hundreds of millions were being spent "in what appears to be a process
driven by desperation rather than delivering value for taxpayers".

Mr Morrison said there was no suggestion that the providers of the new
facilities at Wickham Point are at fault - but were simply "providing a
solution to a Government desperate for any answer".
____________________________

BUT, it is NOT NEWS...so what is it about...did it take this long,
eight months, to discover there was no tender process...is it
just an excuse to advertise their other business's...I'd look into more,
but for that old, REMOTELY TURNING OFF MY P.C., game being played,
so maybe some else might like to do some digging...yeah right...like
this is free and open forum...

Detention centre approved
DAVID WOOD | June 7th, 2011

The Territory Government has giving planning approval for a new detention centre at Wickham Point near Darwin.

The proposed centre is to house 1500 adult male asylum seekers and
will be built by business man John "Foxy" Robinson and the Paspaley
pearling family 35km south east of the city.

It will be leased by the Federal Government for three years.

Leave your comments here.

When announced in March Federal Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said there would be 500 beds filled by this month.

The NT Government is expected to issue a statement this afternoon.


Your Say
"To L, signatory or not they are safe & stable countries. If I was a
genuine refugee I would be seeking the first safe port I came to NOT
then traveling several thousand km's to find a country thats a signatory
of some UN charter UNLESS I was looking for a "soft touch" & a free
hand-out. (genuine is the keyword here)"
Darwin Local

For the full story see tomorrow's NT News.
______________________________
Ah, got IT!
Not seeing reason for this 'news' now (other that reminding us,
that The LEFT/GREENS are This Nations Traitors), thought I'd
look at what riled the 'billirubenciggy' twats (what don't 'they'
get about, "On Ignore"?), and yep there 'they' are, ADVERTISING
http://sodlikeproductions.motion-forum.net/t1127p435-shut-the-hell-up-about-australia
'THEIR' CHILD SEX SLAVE TRADE, AGAIN, as 'They' DO, ALL OVER
THE WWWEB/NET of DECEPTION.

Seems Murdoch wants the world to know I'm Right about 'Them' to!

Maybe they did look into "tintin's" BOAST that his family got all the
dirty, illegal gold they stash in Swiss Banks, through THE MOST EVIL
of WAYS...a boast that was also a threat, when he found he couldn't
flatter or buy me onto his side.

[Ciggy]

[true lilly]

Flying? Call 13 13 13
"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3206



Curse of Cruise

In 1988 IRAN FLIGHT 655 was shot down on 3 JULY,

on the 26th birthday of TOM CRUISE.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3205

YES, "tintin" posted as "Cruise"
BEFORE he FLEW OUT of MELBOURNE,
TO SYDNEY,
under the passport of "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"TINTIN"=Boastfully Proud EXPERT on PLANE CRASHES.
Flying? Call 13 13 13

[Ciggy]

[true lilly]

Go on,
Team TINTIN/ICKE
"CIGGY

BILLY" & YOUR LOCAL SCUM,

tell The Corp's that,
"NONE OF THIS HAPPENED,
UNTIL IT 'made the news'",
in front of all the
HIDDEN EVEN FROM "YOU", Lurkers,
I DAMN WELL dare "YOU".

Speaking of DOOMED...
like this "Loose Brick Chuckers",
who have NEVER BUILT ANYTHING
of ENDURING VALUE...
...the CACKLING HYENAS,
CACKLING TO LOUDLY
to HEAR THEIR HUNTERS...



RE: DO JUSTICE - START with the "respected people" WHO USE and PROTECT VIOLENT SCUM.

I once asked for just a little Justice. Since then, I daily see,
The Ivory Towers of those who KNOWINGLY PERPETUATE EVIL, being shaken.

They WILL FALL, and DESTROY ALL who use those 'defensive positions of respectability'
to ATTACK JUSTICE, and IT WILL BE JUST, BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL BEEN WARNED.

Isaiah 14:1-32

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#1

1
For Jehovah will show mercy to Jacob, and he is
yet certain to choose Israel; and he will actually give them rest upon
their soil, and the alien resident must be joined to them, and they must
attach themselves to the house of Jacob.
2
And peoples will actually take them and bring them to their own place,
and the house of Israel must take them to themselves as a possession
upon the soil of Jehovah as menservants and as maidservants;
and they must become the captors of those holding them captive,
and they must have in subjection those who were driving them to work.

3
And it must occur in the day when Jehovah gives you rest from your pain
and from your agitation and from the hard slavery in which you were made a slave,
4
that you must raise up this proverbial saying against the king of Babylon and say:
“How has the one driving [others] to work come to a stop,
the oppression come to a stop!
5
Jehovah has broken the rod of the wicked ones,
the staff of the ruling ones,
6
the one striking peoples in fury with a stroke incessantly,
the one subduing nations in sheer anger with a persecution without restraint.
7
The whole earth has come to rest, has become free of disturbance.
People have become cheerful with joyful cries.
8
Even the juniper trees have also rejoiced at you, the cedars of Leb´a·non,
[saying,] ‘Ever since you have lain down, no [wood]cutter comes up against us.’

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Elsa Corp was murdered
after a parole blunder
left her killer free
by:Geoff Wilkinson
From:Herald Sun
November 07, 2011
12:00AM
107 comments



Elsa Corp was murdered during a blind date. Supplied


THE family of a young woman strangled by a parolee is still waiting
for an apology after a bureaucratic bungle left him at large, free to
kill her.

Elsa Corp, a 26-year-old hairdresser, was murdered on her first date with a man
she did not know was a violent serial offender on parole.


Her killer, David Patrick Clifford, is one of three parole violators charged with murder
after Corrections Victoria caseworkers failed to notify the Parole Board they had committed new offences which could have led to their parole being cancelled.
Corrections Victoria was notified that Clifford had been arrested on three separate
occasions before he killed Ms Corp on February 1 last year.


When he murdered Ms Corp
he was on parole for drug trafficking,
had already breached parole
and a suspended sentence
following other earlier convictions
and was awaiting sentence over
the bashing of a bar owner.



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Ms Corp's parents, Andy and Gilly, said yesterday
no-one had taken responsibility for their daughter's death
or said they were sorry.


Mr Corp, a former UK policeman, said the family wrote to Police Minister
Peter Ryan and Corrections Minister Andrew McIntosh last week seeking
information and answers.


He said his family did not know Clifford was on parole
until they read a story in the Herald Sun in June this year.


"It's absolutely gutted us, because it was a very bad failure in the system,'' Mr Corp said.

"For the sake of a bit of training, or procedure or supervision, the system fell over and failed us.


"Our daughter would probably be alive today if there hadn't been these stuff-ups''.

Ms Corp was on a blind date arranged by a girfriend
when she was beaten, slashed and strangled in a South Melbourne hotel room.




She is believed to have been lured to the room in the belief other friends were going to be there.


Clifford, 30, was due to stand trial on October 25 for Ms Corp's murder, but
decided on the eve of the three-week trial to plead guilty.


He will be sentenced after a Supreme Court plea hearing later this month.


Police handling of the parolee issue was addressed in last month's explosive report by the Office of Police Integrity.


The report said former Deputy Commissioner Sir Ken Jones had suggested
to then Chief Commissioner Simon Overland that the families of victims
allegedly murdered by parolees
be notified of the findings of an internal review.


Mr Overland, in an email reply he later implied was leaked by Sir Ken,
requested formal written advice prior to notifying the families.


The OPI report said Mr Overland cautioned that if Victoria Police had
"let the families down (he didn't) want to exacerbate the situation by
handling notification badly''.


But Mr Corp said yesterday his family had still received no formal explanation or apology from police or anyone else.


"Not at all, which hurts,'' he said.


The Herald Sun first revealed the state's parole scandal in April, when a secret
police report disclosed that 11 Victorians had been murdered by parole
violators in less than two-and-a-half years.
The report said seven of the 11 murders may have been prevented if police who had peviously dealt with the offenders over other matters had known they were on parole.


A failure in the police computer system was blamed, but after an urgent review it emerged that human error was also involved.


The review by police found that in three of those seven cases, community
corrections caseworkers were advised that parolees had been arrested
over other matters, but failed to pass the information on to the Parole Board.


Acting Chief Commissioner Ken Lay told the Herald Sun
after the review that in one of the three cases "Offender C'' - now
known to be Clifford - had been arrested on July 7, 2008, January 26,
2009, and June 9, 2009.


Each time, the police computer notified a Justice Department computer which then advised the relevant caseworker.


Ms Corp, who lived with her parents, was one of the three victims. The other two cases are still before the courts.


Acting Chief Commissioner Lay and Corrections Victoria Commissioner, Bob
Hastings, both admitted after the review that "procedural failures''
had left parole violators on the street.


It was also revealed after the review that another five murders had been
committed in other states by Victorians who had absconded on parole.


Clifford's prior convictions stretch back to 1998 and
include aggravated burglary on the home of a 76-year-old woman,
false imprisonment, intentionally causing injury, assault, resisting police,
harassing a witness, breaching an intervention order, drug trafficking,
dangerous driving and possession of an unregistered firearm.


Detectives who arrested him for drug trafficking found a handgun and
$68,000 cash in a backpack hidden in theceiling of his grandmother's
home.


One of Clifford's brothers, Sean, was convicted of larceny by finding in Sydney in 2005 after
claiming to have found a backpack containing $263,000 in cash in a lane near his home.


The last judge to sentence David Clifford told him she thought his
prospects of rehabilitation were low and specific deterrence should play
a significant part in his sentence.


Judge Jane Patrick said Clifford had not shown remorse for his part in the
drunken bashing of a Fitzroy bar owner on June 13, 2008 - only a month
after he had been released on parole.


She said Clifford was of above average intelligence, but abused drugs and alcohol and had behaved like "a violent and aggressive bully''.


She sentenced him in July last year to a total of 33 months' jail for intentionally causing injury, false imprisonment and assault, with a minimum of 21 months to serve before parole.
But in June this year, the Court of Appeal cut Clifford's sentence to 24 months with a minimum of 12 months.


The appeal judges, Justices Chris Maxwell and Lex Lasry, ruled that the
discrepancy between Clifford's sentence and that of his brother Kieran, a
co-offender, was manifestly excessive.


The Court of Appeal also found Judge Patrick had not taken sufficient account of the totality
principle, which required her to assume Clifford would have to serve another 18 months as the unexpired parole period.


A Parole Board spokesman said yesterday the board was co-operating with an independent
review of its functions, powers and processes by the Sentencing Advisory Council.


He said the board had already expanded the extent of information sharing with Victoria Police and was working closely with a separate review of the Office of Correctional Services "to eliminate shortcomings in the assessment and supervision of parolees''.


A Corrections Victoria spokesman said it had "taken steps to improve
information sharing with Victoria Police and strengthen the management
of parolees''.

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107 comments on this story



SEE, when I asked for JUSTICE, it wasn't 'for' me to receive now
(on top of countless blessings), but to SEE JUSTICE being received,
by those in more need...the God Blessed Wise are onto it.

[sharky]

Genesis-Bereshith: In the Beginning
26And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”

27And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him – male and female He created them.

28And Elohim blessed them, and Elohim said to them, “Bear fruit and increase, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over all creatures moving on the earth.”

29And Elohim said, “See, I have given you every plant that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it is for food.

30“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to every creeping creature on the earth, in which there is life, every green plant is for food.” And it came to be so. 31And Elohim saw all that He had made, and see, it was very good.

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of YHWH/God

1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The Jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the Jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people."

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for YHWHs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, YHWH invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikkun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of YHWH/God play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.

Summarized

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over all its enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of Lifes’ capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Christians

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is YHWH/God-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* YHWH, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: YHWH

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of God'

* This emergence of "The Image of God" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Christians.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of God' Consciousness is so much like YHWHs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, the Human 'Image of YHWH/God has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* YHWH has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of God', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikkun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that YHWHs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Christians alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of God/YHWH brings with it more God like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of YHWH/God; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh

The Sinai Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.

The Torah is the first, and oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet/ Alphabet........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemispherical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential. the ground for Theoretical Science....


THE UNIVERSAL DESIRE FOR CLOSENESS TO God...AND THE SECRET OF THE SABBATH by Rabbi Chaim Richman

The following teaching from the riches of the Oral Tradition is about a level of understanding the Sabbath which is relevant to Jews and non-Jews alike. It is based on a teaching by Rabbi Chaim ben Atar (1746-1793), known as "the holy Light of Life," based on the title of his most famous work.

I. The World Intuitively Pines for G-d
Man - The Centerpiece of Creation
The created world can be divided into four basic categories: the inanimate, plant, animal, and 'speaking' life - man. Man, the highest level of creation, is the only creature endowed with the capability of speech, and this is what singles him out as a completely separate category - he has the greatest potential to develop a relationship with his Creator. He is the center of creation and its purpose and crowning achievement. For this reason, he was created last, and introduced into the Garden... to enable him to enter into a complete world, ready for him, furnished and equipped in advance to house its illustrious occupant.

Every Level of Creation Possesses a Soul
Man is followed by the members of the animal kingdom. Next in line comes the plant kingdom, and finally, inanimate creation - the lowest level of creation, as exemplified by stone. Even stone, the Torah teaches, possesses some degree of life-force, however weak. For it is impossible for something which the Holy One has created to be incapable of recognizing Him. Therefore, commensurate to that degree of life-force, awareness of the Divine could be said to exist within it...

Desire for Closeness to G-d... The Prime Mover
And so the soul, the essence, of every creature, each according to its level of understanding, has some inkling of the greatness of the Creator, and actually carries on a relationship with Him. This soul is constantly driven with endless passion to come closer to the source of all life, the Great and Perfect Light of the L-rd... how much more so should this be true among the higher, more spiritual elements of creation who understand to some extent what it means to 'cling' to the light of the living G-d.

All of Creation is United in the Desire for Closeness to G-d
Herein lies one of the greatest secrets of creation...

All life on earth... and even the actual physical elements that comprise the planet itself - the entire world as one, including every level of creation, from the lowest level of the inanimate - stones and earth, to the highest and most intelligent life-form, man himself; an endless pageant which spans every creature, plant and animal - all are constantly and inexorably united by an all-consuming, burning desire for G-d. This is the vital force which drives the world; this desire is the power which fuels the universe... it reverberates within the entire life-force, and the whole globe, like a man beating with one heart, knows on the deepest level with absolute clarity that there is nothing as sweet, desirable, and sustaining as 'Dveykut' - the ability to 'cling' close to the light of the Creator. This is the purpose of life itself, and on the deepest collective intuitive level, all are aware that nothing else is worth living for. This longing is itself the vital life-force of everything, and the entire world draws from it at once. In other words, this longing for G-d is what fuels the world to go on.

Because G-d is the Creator of all existence, He maintains an intimate link with each and every creature, regardless of its spiritual capacity. Obviously not all of creation is equal in spiritual sensitivity. Regardless of this, that link of intimate knowledge still exists, according to its degree of conciousness and development.

Three Revolutionary Innovations in Human History took place at Mount Sinai.

1: Abstract Ethical Monotheism

2: Universal Codified Law

3: An Alephbet 1,800 BCE

Abstract Ethical Monotheism rather than Polytheism, Rule of Law for All rather than the Divine Rights of Kings or Queens and an Aleph/Bet, less than thirty characters that replaced Iconographs/Ideograms and Hieroglyphs, enhancing Literacy amongst the masses.

The abstraction of all three innovations were mutually reinforcing.

YHWH/God proclaimed that there exists a Codex of morality that stands above Human intercourse.

The 10 Commandments applied universally to everyone. no King, Pharoah, or Potentate was above the Law.

Refutes the rubric that 'Might makes Right'.

YHWH/God expected all His Chosen People TO READ what He inspired to be written.

The Pentateuch is the oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet-Alphabet. Prior books were written in Cuneiform, Hieroglyphs etc......

YHWH forbade anyone from visualizing Him. No Images. No Idolatry.

He sanctioned only the written word.

This promulgates equality and openness.

An overarching Theme of the Pentateuch, and ensuing Books of the Bible is: Justice for all.

A distinguishing feature of the Pentateuch from other belief systems of the Time is its dominating Theme of: Righteousness,

Living a pious life and obeying written law was/is more important than winning Battles, honouring the King, or sacrificing to a local god.

Justice for all was a unique community standard in an era when the dominant principle was a raised and clenched fist.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, the Exodus begins with the people shackled slaves.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, Yahweh 'Chose' the people rather than the people choosing their god.
This rediscovery allows each to uncover and affirm each others’ role in the Divine Plan. The Kingdom of Yahweh is advanced and comes closer.

'You are my witnesses says YHWH/God' Isaiah 43:10
The People of Israel are YHWHs Servants, 'Chosen' to witness to the loving Creator and the Divine Plan for Humanity and the Cosmos.

The People of Israel = not just the Israelis, or Jews, but to all who affirm that Yahweh has made a valid Covenant with Abraham and his descendants and all who take up the task of World Redemption so that the covenant can be fulfilled.

For that is the purpose of making the covenant.

Xns and Muslims are recognized as Abrahams children when they purge themselves of Supersessionist claims and hatred of Jews.

To be True to its Witness, the People of Israel tell 3 Stories to the World, the rest of Humanity, in the presence of Yahweh and in the presence of their fellow Humans.

1: They tell the Story of Creation, the Divine Vision of an intended perfect World. Jew & Xn stake their existence that this World will come to be.

2: The Story of the Covenant, the process operating between a Divine-Human partnership whereby our imperfect World will be brought back to that state of Perfection.

3: The Story of Redemption-sometimes called: 'The End of Days'-'The Messiah Story'-which is the culmination and realization of the process.

At the end, Holistic perfection will be achieved.
Peace between Humans.

Between Humans and all the rest of Life, between all Life and Nature itself, and between all of the above and Yahweh.

Three Stories add up to one comprehensive Story: The Triumph of Life

Before Monotheism there had never been Religious Warfare.

The Polytheistic Cultures were live and let live about other culture Deities and often borrowed and share aspects.

The Polytheistic Deities were usually Local Deities, not Universe/Worldwide.

Polytheist had National gods, Local gods, family gods and personal gods, even their pet animals had gods.

Abstract Ethical Monotheism was a Major Advance along the road to Enlightenment, but came at a high cost.

Abstract Ethical Monotheism encouraged people to think in new ways. An Abstract Ethical Monotheistic Creator Being not tied to a concrete Image/Picture is a very Abstract Concept..

Abstraction is a crucial component of Logical Reasoning and its use can liberate people from superstition.

Devotion to an Abstract Deity has a Heavy price.

If everyone agrees there is only one, true, Living Creator Being, and different groups conceive of it in different ways, then whose perception of that Deity is the correct one?

Examine each groups’ values and praxis.

Different perceptions have inspired some groups to wage war and engage in forced conversions.

This never occurred in Polytheistic Cultures.

They had many wars but for the usual mundane reasons, Land, Treasure, Women, Power over others for the sake of Power alone, but they never waged Religious War.

One effect of an Alphabetic based Abstract Ethical Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather than the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.

The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerant of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.

This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.

As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.

When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this so upset Moses he dropped the two stone Tablets upon which YHWH/God had written the ten commandments.


Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Image and Written Word, both were destroyed.

As the story goes, Moses returned to the Mountain Top and Yahweh provided him with another set.

The 10 Commandments; The first four Commandments are for the Recognition and service/Worship of YHWH/God, the remaining six focus on our fellow humans, loving and serving them.

The Commandment to Honour Both Father and Mother elevates and recognizes the importance and status of Women in the Family Group.

Love your neighbour is not one of the Ten but appears in the Torah/Instruction, Leviticus 19:18.

The last six commandments are not unusual, and found in other Codices of Laws, The First four Commandments are Unique.

Each one of the first four commandments encourages Alphabetic Literacy by rejecting the Right Brains way of 'knowing'.

One effect of a new, abstract, linear, sequential and reductionist means of communication moves people who learn it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode.

Social Engineering.

The Ethics they embody are more sophisticated than other contemporary Ancient Near East Cultures.

The First Commandment:

20:2 I am Yahweh thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

20:3 Thou shall have no other elohim before me.

In one fell swoop demoted all other elohim/gods & goddesses to nothings.

Nothing personal, it was business.

The Meta-Message of the First Commandment is that Yahweh is the Master of the Universe, He is self-existent, and all other elohim/gods & goddesses are created beings, subservient to Him.

Psalm 82

82:1 Yahweh stands in the congregation of El; he judges among the elohim.

82:2 How long will you judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

82:6 I have said, You are elohim; and all of you are children of the most High.

82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

82:8 Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth: for thou shall inherit all nations.

All of Yahwehs’ Titles are masculine.

The First Commandment is a radical break with the Hebrews past environment. Moses and the Hebrews had left Egypt which was Polytheistic, alot of gods and goddesses worship.

Yahweh declares there is no worship of other gods or goddesses.

Perhaps the most radical sentence ever written.

The Second Commandment:

20:4 Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I; Yahweh thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

No Graven Images, Icons or Idols, Statues.

Learning to think without Images is indispensable to Alphabetic Literacy. The Power formerly rendered to Images/Pictures is now transferred to the written word.

Make no Graven Images is a ban/restraint on Right Brain Pattern Recognition.

The Third Commandment:

20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Yahweh thy Elohim in vain; for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Do not use Yahwehs Name vainly, with Malintent. Again; Left Brain.

Yahwehs first instruction to adam isto Name all the critters. Through Naming, Adam attains dominion over all the Earth. Naming confers meaning and order, moving Life from Chaos to Order.

To Name is to know, to know is to control. Order out of Chaos.

The Fourth Commandment:

20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

20:11 For in six days made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Seven Days are not a Natural Break Point in any of Earths Major Natural Rhythmic Cycles-Lunar-Solar, except the Quarter Moon.

This facilitates the learning of Arithmetic.

Leviticus 25:3-10 is about the Jubilee Years, the 50th,

No other Ancient Near East culture at that time had instructed the general population to compute complex time periods, this had formerly been the domain of the Priestly Castes.

The Time Commandment lays the foundation for the concept of Justice, a well developed sense of Linear Time is necessary to conceive of Punishment delayed and Rewards postponed.

Non-Literate Cultures are not as pre-occupied with the notion/concept of Justice as the Literate, because they do not conceive of time only as linear.

Non-Literate Societies tend to think of death as a passage to another World, not as a Day in Court.

Alphabets stretch out the sense of Time and make possible the awareness of the possibility of a retribution Time in the distant future.

A Judgement Day only occurs in Literate Cultures.

Alphabet Literate Cultures became aware of writing History in a Linear, Chronological sequencing of Events.

The fourth Commandments Mechanical/Sociological ramifications is instructing people to be aware of Passing Time.

This was the advent of the seven day week, and a day off every week.

A day off for ALL Humans, Free and Bond, and ALL Beasts of Burden one day a week and the Farmland to lay fallow every seven years to rejuvinate the enzymes in the ground.

This led to Sundials, waterclocks, Pendulums, Escape Mechanisms, Cogs, Gears, Calenders.

Time is a key function of the Left Brain.

Each of the First Four Commandments trains people in the ability to: Think Abstractly, linearly and sequentially.

Collectively, they produce a Mindset that enhances the use and facility of Alphabetic Literacy.

This Technology welded the small group into a cohesive and coherent Nation/Culture.

What occurred at/in Sinai was unique, the Authority of the Written Word superseded the authority of the Image.

Reiterating the Revolutionary Innovations that occurred at Mount Sinai:

1: Abstract Ethical Monotheism emerged,

2:Universal Codified Laws establishing Moral Ethics

3: The Alephbet-Proto Alphabet emerged. The Hebrews reduced thosands of Images/Hieroglyphs/Petroglyphs/Ideograms/Pictograms into two dozen Characters, enabling Universal Literacy

For the first time ever, Religion demanded the follower be Literate. It is Commanded the Fathers obtain Scrolls of the Torah and teach them to their children.

Moses Commanded; Thou shall read the Law before all Israel Deut-31:10,11

The Reading of the Torah remains the most sacred obligation of every Jew.

Yahweh was concerned, unlike other gods, about the actions of everyone of His people.

Yahweh actually cares.

If someone was cheating/exploiting widows and orphans, mistreating strangers and slaves.etc.......YHWH knew and became wrathful.

The polytheistic gods did not.

Yahweh in His written Laws provided preventive Medicine, unknown to Egypt and Mesopotamia.

He explicitly spelled out in excruciating detail and minutia exactly what He expected from each and every Israelite.

Each Israelite established a personal relationship with Yahweh.

All of Yahwehs Laws were written down and everybody knew them.

It was an absolute Judaic condition that every male was literate.

Ignorance of the Law was no defence.

The Hebrews were the first culture to universally embrace Alphabetic writing, the Torah is the first/oldest Religious Book written in an Alphabet.

The 10 Commandments were transmitted in a written Alephbetic form; Paleo-Hebrew.

Abstract letters/grammatical sequence/uniconsonantal phenomes.

The Alephbet/Alphabet introduced and enabled the possibility of Universal Literacy

So once upon a time in the Sinai Desert a radical new communication technology emerged that would forever change cultural perceptions and that the first people to utilize it would introduce fundamental principles and features underpinning Western Civilisation.

Historical Data: Proto-Sinaitic Alephbet=precursor of the Alphabet.

Discovered by Sir William Flinders Petrie, very early 20th century. Dated to: 1,800 BCE

Egyptian Coptic 2,000 years later/after

Tell el Armana Cache Phoenician 1,450 BCE letters from Canaanite Leaders to Akhenaton were scribed in Cuneiform

Akkadian Cuneiform in usage after Sumerian Conquest.

An amazing vortex of Science and History occurred in the Sinai that the worlds’ oldest alphabet was found where the Hebrew Nation had their seminal experience.

Yet another Unique Concept brought forth at Mount Sinai is the Concept of Free Will.

Throughout the Ancient Near East, Babylon, Egypt etc......humans 'believed their fate, destiny was in the hands of the gods.

The Sinaitic Covenant convinced the Israelites that every decision was theirs to make: Choose Life or Choose Death.

The choice between Right and Wrong was upon the individual. This beget the concept of Guilt, 'Guilty Conscious'; an internal Quality Control.

Moral Relativists may consider this an ambiguous area, but is it really?


Bottom Line of what occurred at Sinai, those many years ago, the Power that once had been given to pictures was transferred to written words.

The Power of the Right Brain was Transferred to the Left Brain.

The Alephbet/Alphabet is the Bibles Eminence Grise-The unsuspected power.



Superorganisms/memes compete, as one Entelechy rises, others fall.

Of all the Ancient Near East Superorganisms/Memes, only the Jews have survivied.

Alphabetic Literacy profoundly reconfigured the relationship between the Hebrews and their Deity and between the Hebrews and their neighbours. The other ANE cultures.

The Jews have an unshakable faith.

The Religious beliefs of the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites, Hyskos, Hurrians, Cretans, Mittani, Assyrians, Persians, Canaanites, Ugarites, Akkadians, Egyptians, Greeks, Phoenicians, Philistines, and Roman Belief Systems have diminished greatly and most have disappeared.
The Hebrew Faith has withstood the Viscitudes of times, surviving catastrophes that should have extinguished them.