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Post  true lilly on Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:32 pm

true lilly wrote:Interesting, that
The GLOBAL CONSPIRACY Industry
,
is always telling people to "WAKE UP"...

dixie dean wrote: #32101
There is a guy by the name of Ben who drinks
at the Village Shop and Spies reminds me of
Espionage...
...
By the way, I am only making links to people
the same as Tintin makes links using people.
Sleeper agent:
A sleeper agent is a person who is
recruited
to an intelligence service
to wake up

and perform a specific set of tasks or functions
while living under cover in an area of interest.

This type of agent
is not the same as a deep cover operative

who is continually in contact with
their case officer in order to file intelligence reports.
A sleeper agent
will not be in contact with anyone
until activated.


Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,

are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.


Interesting to, that GOD WARNED US to
NOT to try to save ourselves by running
to Follow Popular Mass Movements...
but, that MOST STILL WOULD, and,
DIE REGRETTING IT!


...and where did I open at, on praying
about whether to send this...oh, and do
read the full meanings of each word
at the link provided.


Psalms 127:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=127&v=1&t=KJV&sstr=1
A Song of the Ascents. Of Solomon.
1
Unless Jehovah himself builds the house,
It is to no avail that its builders have worked hard on it.
Unless Jehovah himself guards the city,
It is to no avail that the guard has kept awake.

2
To no avail it is for YOU men that YOU are rising up early,
That YOU are sitting down late,
That YOU are eating food with pains.
Just like this he gives sleep even to his beloved one.

3
Look! Sons are an inheritance from Jehovah;
The fruitage of the belly is a reward.

4
Like arrows in the hand of a mighty man,
So are the sons of youth.

5
Happy is the able-bodied man that has filled his quiver with them.
They will not be ashamed,
For they will speak with enemies in the gate.


Psalms 126:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=126&v=1&t=KJV
true lilly wrote:"Long and Uncomfortable"=BRAINWASHING as used by CULT LEADERS.
http://hpanwoforum.freeforums.org/post24742.html#p24742

Ickeism=
Culture jamming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming
Guerrilla marketing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_marketing
Spaßguerilla
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spa%C3%9Fguerilla
...and when ISN'T 'satire' satirical?
When it's all the above HIDING behind the filthy lie,
that those who DO GET WHAT 'THEY' ARE DOING,
"don't get satire".
Front Deutscher Äpfel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Deutscher_%C3%84pfel

Apple Front activists in typical uniform with satirized right extremist symbols and bearing
(The FRONT is 'satire' WHILE THEY FISH FOR THOSE WHO
DO SUPPORT WHAT THEY 'satirize')


Yep, anyone believing that 'alternative media' isn't
what's pushing The Beastly Agenda,
is either a deluded fool, or Knowingly, Willingly, Beastly.

Oh, and how many of The Most Vulnerable and Powerless,
is that, DEAD AROUND THE WORLD, now, DUE TO BEING
SUCKED INTO BLOODY, NATION DESTROYING "revolutions",
VIA The Twittering TWITS of WORLD WIDE (Global) WEB of
LIES?
le sabrage wrote:DESPERATELY LYING:
true lilly wrote:
Hee hee,
is that the sanest of my younger, old (and current), ungrateful,
backstabbing 'associates', today?
And is this the most 'youthful'?
Because you almost laugh as hard as those with an eye and brain did,

when she "got" a Licence to "Judge" Rolling Eyes ...IMHEO, justified laughter... Razz
Funny to, because she was embarrassed of her wog hubby's surname...
and advertised Only As "Sue & Steve" because of all the people who
rang the club asking for a puppy bred by "Sioux & Steve" Wink ...
but then her hubby's,


"REBEL"
bro, got himself an O.A.M., and suddenly,
she was no longer embarrassed by her wog surname...

...but kept the Cameron and hyphen Rolling Eyes

...interesting though, that when reading other's opinions:
http://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/au-motorcycle/6756/MRAA-ie-MRAV-bashing
of Bro-in-law, "Uncle DamienO.A.M.":
http://www.bikenut.com.au/uncledamien.php
http://damiencodognottooam.blogspot.com/
Thailand Motorbike Tours and Motorcycle Adventure Tours. - experience 16 unforgettable days on a fully guided motorcycling adventure through fascinating Northern Thailand.

it's like reading the experiences folk have with
DICTATORIAL David Icke and his NET HACKING,
PRIVATE Message Reading, INDEPENDENT OPINION BANNING,
FALSE 'consensus' Pushing, Forum Moderators
Suspect ...and,
what a stupidly suicidal Global Religion it is,
that "they" keep shoving down the world's throat,
by trying to silence all warning voices:


Oh, and lets NOT forget the CONnections here:
http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=10733
MRS. Trish STEBBINGS
Secretary AND PUBLICITY OFFICER RRCV



Jeremiah - Chapter 50

Declare 5046 ye among the nations 1471,
and publish 8085 , and set up 5375 a standard 5251;
publish 8085 , [and] conceal 3582 not:
say 559 ...
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=50&v=1&t=KJV#1

2 Samuel - Chapter 7, 8 & 9
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=7&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=8&v=1&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=9&v=1&t=KJV#

And David 1732 said 559 ,
Is there yet 3426 any that is left 3498 of the house 1004 of Saul 7586,
that I may shew 6213 him kindness 2617 for Jonathan's 3083 sake?

Jonathan 3083 hath yet a son 1121,
[which is] lame 5223 on [his] feet 7272.

So Mephibosheth 4648 dwelt 3427 in Jerusalem 3389:
for he did eat 398 continually 8548 at the king's 4428 table 7979;
and was lame 6455 on both 8147 his feet 7272.

NOTE:
lame 5223
lame 6455 on both 8147
DIFFERENT/ADDITIONAL numbers=ROOT (DESCRIPTIVE) MEANINGS.
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Re: David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA

Post  sharky on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:45 pm


You should take your own advice and: READ ALL THE WORDS. And then keep these sacred words in their honest and proper context. thumbs up

cheers


true lilly wrote: rolling pin cheers rolling pin rolling pin
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,

are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.






Try reading the Rabbinic Midrash of the Book you ceaselessly quote out of context........... thumbs up


Shiur #10: Psalm 127: The Difference Between “In Vain” (shav) and “Tranquility” (shena)
By Rav Elchanan Samet

http://vbm-torah.org/archive/tehillim69/10tehillim.htm

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:

1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”

A. Two obvious difficulties

Chapter 127 of Sefer Tehillim (like the following one – 128) belongs to a relatively small group of psalms that may be referred to as “wisdom psalms." Their aim is to educate towards a proper world-view, to inculcate biblical life-experience in the reader – like Sefer Mishlei and other books of wisdom. While the great majority of the psalms address the relationship between man and God, these “psalms of wisdom” deal with guidance for life (the assumption being, needless to say, that one’s life is always centered around God). While most of the psalms reflect a “vertical” relationship, between man and God, the “psalms of wisdom” (and the biblical literature of wisdom in general) is “horizontal” – i.e., inter-personal.[1]

The psalm is presented above as a poem should be written in brief lines and divided into stanzas.[2] From the point of view of literal exegesis, it seems straightforward and presents little difficulty.[3] However, even upon the most superficial initial reading, two questions immediately present themselves concerning the structure of the psalm and its thematic integrity:

The first question pertains to the psalm as a whole. We see that it is comprised of two halves, each addressing a different subject and each with a different atmosphere. Stanzas 1-3 express one idea: that man’s efforts alone will not bear fruit if God is not a partner to his efforts. The atmosphere here is a negative one, as expressed in the thrice-repeated negation – “shav” (in vain) concerning the three examples cited to illustrate the main idea: the building of a house, the guarding of a city, and hard work in order to make a living. The same idea could be expressed in a positive way: “When God desires a man’s ways, his endeavors will succeed”, or “It is God Who gives person strength to build a house and to guard a city." However, our psalm chooses the negative formulation: in the absence of God’s partnership in man’s actions, all of his endeavors will amount to nothing.

The second half of the psalm (stanzas 4-7), in contrast, has a different subject: the blessing that comes to a man who has “children of his youth."

The stanzas of each of the two halves are united around the same subject, and we note an inner development in each of them. However, we are left with the question: What is the connection between the two halves of the psalm? Is there one single idea which the psalm as a whole is trying to express? In other words, is our psalm an integral whole? Is it built in a manner that serves to mold a single idea, or is it a composite of two independent parts under the same heading (“A Song of Degrees for Shlomo”), brought together for reasons which remain to be discovered?

The second obvious difficulty in our psalm concerns the words at the end of verse 2: “For to those who love Him He will give tranquility." Even on the level of literal meaning, the intention here is not clear: what is the meaning of the first word, “ken”? Does it mean “so”, or “such”, such hat this verse stands in comparison to something that appeared previously? If so – what, and what is the significance of the comparison? Or, perhaps “ken” means “indeed”? The word “shena” (tranquility) likewise presents some difficulty. Does this mean “rest” (‘shena’ spelled with a ‘heh’ at the end), as some of the earlier commentators suggest? If so, we must ask why the word here ends with an “alef." And what does the phrase mean, as a whole? Perhaps this word has some other meaning. If so – what is it?

The greatest difficulty here concerns the place of these words: Do they belong to the third stanza and the first part of the psalm?[4] This seems unlikely since, as we have pointed out, the atmosphere of the first half is negative, while these words – no matter how we interpret them – are unquestionably formulated in a positive manner. There is some sort of positive gift that God is bestowing on those who love Him. This being the case, perhaps these words are meant to serve as an introduction to the second half? The problem is that the subject of this half is the blessing of children that comes to man from God. The phrase in question seems to have nothing to do with this theme.

Since we are initially unable to decide where these words belong, we leave them for the meantime in a section of their own, in between the third and fourth stanzas – or, between the two halves of the psalm.

In the next shiurim we will attempt to analyze the psalm in an orderly manner, with the hope of finding answers to our questions above.

Translated by Kaeren Fish

[1] Aside from psalms 127 and 128, we may note the following examples: 1, (34), 37, 45, 49, (78), 112, 133. The chapters in parentheses are those which cannot be unequivocally categorized. In his book, “Sheki’ei Chokhma be-Sefer Tehillim” (Magnes, Jerusalem 5751), Prof. Avi Horwitz discusses the identification of “wisdom psalms” in Sefer Tehillim from a linguistic perspective. In the first chapter of his book he presents a critical review of the approaches proposed by scholars who preceded him in this field of inquiry, and of their scope. On p. 128 of his book he presents a synoptic table comparing ten different views, dating from the 1930’s until the present. The table shows that there is consensus among eight or more scholars concerning only five psalms: 1, 34, 37, 49, and 112. Some of the scholars identify as many as fourteen “psalms of wisdom”; others count a total that is much smaller (five or six).

The list of psalms at the beginning of this note does not follow any particular approach, nor have we involved ourselves deeply in the methodological question of identifying the “wisdom psalms”. Our criteria were, firstly, the “audience” to whom the psalm is addressed – God or man – and secondly, the content and style of the psalm.

The topic is itself worthy of thorough discussion, and I do not pretend to do it justice here. Therefore, the list here should be regarded as no more than an initial impression arising from these psalms.

It should further be noted that Psalm 91, which we analyzed in previous shiurim, also possesses some of the distinctive characteristics of a “wisdom psalm," and indeed one of the ten scholars included in Horwitz’s survey does include it in his list.

[2] In our analysis of Psalm 130 (mi-ma’amakim) we discussed the importance of presenting the psalms in Sefer Tehillim in a manner that highlights their lyrical character.

[3] “The bread of toil” (lechem ha-atzabim) means bread eaten in sorrow. The idea here is that the worker is so exhausted by his intensive and prolonged labor that he eats not in a relaxed frame of mind, but rather in sorrow. This hints to God’s words to Adam (Bereishit 3:17), “Cursed is the land because of you; you shall eat of it in sorrow (be-itzavon)," and further on (verse 19), “you shall eat bread by the sweat of your brow”. However, the meaning in our psalm is slightly different: here the verse is talking about the bread that accompanies man’s hard labor. We deduce this from the parallel between the words “mashkimei”/ ”me’acharei”/ ”ochlei," all of which describe human action and effort, not its results.

The words “For to His beloved He gives tranquility” will be discussed below.

“The children of one’s youth” means that children who are born to a person while he is still young. Similarly, “eshet ne’urim” means a woman whom a man marries in his youth.

[4] As we must conclude if the word ‘ken’ is understood to mean “thus” or “so”.


http://vbm-torah.org/archive/tehillim69/11tehillim.htm


Shiur #11: Psalm 127 - Continued

By Rav Elchanan Samet


(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo/Solomon:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



B. The parallel between stanzas a and b, and their hidden meaning


The first two stanzas of our psalm maintain a synonymous[1], direct[2], complete[3] parallel, as follows:


If God does not build a house its builders labor in vain.



If God does not guard a city the guard stays awake in vain.



There is a thematic development between the two hemistiches: the “city” is a collection of houses which have already been built and which now require security: they need a watchman.

In contrast to this broadening of the perspective in the second limb in relation to the first, we also find the opposite phenomenon: the building of the house, in the first limb, is carried out by a number of “builders," while the guarding of the city (with its many houses) is carried out by a single “guard." The reason for this linguistic difference would seem to be that the construction of a house does usually involve a number of workers (whether for the sake of finishing the work sooner or because a variety of artisans are needed for different tasks), whereas the city can be guarded by a single watchman looking out for approaching enemies from an observation post where he can see them while they are still far off and raise the alarm by sounding the shofar or by directly notifying the king.[4]

Is it the intention of these two stanzas to nullify the value of man’s efforts to build his house and to protect the security of his city? This cannot be possible; it would be an offense both to common sense and to the prevailing biblical view that a person must exert effort for the sake of securing his own existence.[5] Indeed, those among the early commentators who interpret our psalm in its general human context (and not in relation to the building of the Temple)[6] explain that it does not contradict common sense or the accepted biblical conventions concerning human effort. According to their interpretations, man’s own efforts are a necessary but insufficient condition, and in the absence of God’s hidden involvement, man’s efforts will not attain their objective.

Ibn Ezra explains:

Since (the verse) starts by mentioning building (of a house), which is a great need for people… and the meaning of (the words), “toil in vain” is – if God does not help them, or brings a strong wind that can destroy everything. Thus, (the verse) mentions the artisans – who are the builders, thereafter the watchmen of the building – who are the watchmen of the city… and then (in the third stanza), the merchants of the city.


The Meiri expresses the same idea somewhat more clearly:

(The psalm) says, as advice and guidance for people, that when they invest effort in their property, even though effort is good, one should not place one’s faith in his own efforts and not think, when he obtains his desire, that it was his effort that achieved this for him. Rather, everything is from the blessed God, and it is He Who inspired him to make the effort, and it is He Who brought him to achieve his desire. The Torah warns, in this regard (Devarim 8:17-18), “And you say in your heart, ‘My strength and the might of my hand have achieved all this wealth for me,’" up until “you shall remember the Lord your God, for is it He Who gives you strength to make wealth”.[7]

After completing his commentary on the first three stanzas of our psalm, he comes back to his original message:

And all of this (is meant) not to discourage one from investing effort – for you will find no wise person who denounces effort and praises sloth. Rather, (the message is that) one should not place all of his trust in it (i.e., human effort), and not believe, when he achieves (his aim), that he has achieved what he has by his own effort; rather, God has graciously given it to him.

Given the Meiri’s view that our psalm provides general moral and religious guidance for all people, it seems strange that the psalmist choose the negative formulation to teach this lesson (“Unless God builds a house…”), rather than a positive formulation (“Only if God…”). Hence, it would appear that our psalm is meant to serve as rebuke to people who act improperly and who believe that only through their own strength and might can they build themselves houses and cities[8], and ensure their own security and livelihood. It is to these people that the psalmist declares that their efforts will be in vain, for God will not look with favor upon their actions, and they will not last if they are contrary to God’s will.



(to be continued)

Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] A synonymous parallel is one where the two limbs express identical or similar content. The opposite of a synonymous parallel is a contrasting parallel, for example: “A wise son makes his father joyful, but a foolish son is the grief of his mother” (Mishlei 10:1).

The terminology used here represents a translation of that set down in an article by Batsheva Brosh, “Hora’at ha-Tikbolet be-Shira ha-Mikrait”, published in Al ha-Perek 1, 1984, pp. 51-61.

[2] A direct parallel is one where structurally the two limbs are set out in the same order. The opposite of a direct parallel is a chiastic parallel. These two terms have nothing to do with the content of the limbs in question: both a direct parallel and a chiastic parallel may be either synonymous or contrasting, in terms of content (see previous note).

[3] A complete parallel is where the same syntactical elements appear in both limbs. The opposite of a complete parallel is an incomplete parallel, where one of the limbs is missing some syntactical element which exists in the other limb, and this element must be added from one limb to the other (sometimes from the first limb to the second, at other times the other way around).

[4] An exact description of the role of the watchman is to be found in Yechezkel 33:1-6 (and further on, the role of the prophet is compared to that of the watchman). A description of the specific action performed by the watchman is to be found in Shmuel II 13:34, and in more detail in Shmuel II 18:24-27 and Melakhim II 9:17-20. In the three latter sources, the watchman fulfills his task by notifying the king of the approach of some (still distant) unidentified party. However, in each of these cases it turns out that the party in question is not an enemy coming to conquer the city.

Since the action of the watchman is not connected to physical activity, like that of the builders of the house, the word “bo” is absent from the second limb of the parallel.

[5] The sources cited in the previous note suffice to show that guarding the city is regarded as an absolute obligation, and that anyone who is negligent in this regard is fully responsible for the consequences (see the description of the watchman in Yechezkel 33).

Similarly, a person’s obligation to work for his livelihood is likewise clear in Tanakh. For example, Tehillim 104:23: “Man goes out to his work and to his labor until evening.”

In Sefer Mishlei we find many recommendations for significant human effort and conscientiousness in work for the sake of making a living (as we will discuss further on), but concerning a person’s home we read in Kohelet 10:18 – “From sloth the beams collapse, and through idleness of the hands the house leaks”.

This subject is addressed at length (including a discussion of our psalm) in a book by Dr. Amos Frisch, “Yegi’a Kapecha – Yachas ha-Mikra el ha-Avoda”, Ha-Kibbutz ha-Me’uchad, 5759.

[6] Most of the commentators explain this psalm, taking a cue from its introductory words, as referring to the building of the Temple, whether by David – who exerted considerable effort but was unsuccessful, or by Shlomo – who finally did built it. Some of these commentators go on to explain it as referring to “people of the world” – i.e., they regard it as a “psalm of wisdom” that imparts a lesson to all of mankind. We will adopt this view in our study of the psalm.

[7] It would seem that the Meiri cites the verses here from his memory. He misquotes verse 18 slightly; I have cited the correct version of the verse.

[8] I am reminded of the builders of the Tower of Bavel, who said (Bereishit 11:4), “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower…”. They disregarded the message of our psalm, concerned only with their own strength and their name. However, God “did not build” the city and the tower, but sought to halt their construction, and therefore (verse Cool “God dispersed them from there over all of the face of the earth, and they ceased to build the city.”


Shiur #12: Psalm 127 - Continued

http://vbm-torah.org/archive/tehillim69/12tehillim.htm

By Rav Elchanan Samet

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



C. Stanza 3 in comparison with its predecessors



The third stanza differs from its predecessors in several respects. Firstly, it lacks the negative conditional clause – “If God does not…." This could convey the impression that awakening early and settling late are negative in and of themselves, independently of the question of God’s partnership in the efforts of those who conduct themselves in this way.



Secondly, while both of the previous stanzas speak in the third person of people who exert effort in vain, here we find that the psalmist addresses them directly, in the second person: “It is vain for you…."



Thirdly, while the “vain” action in each of the previous stanzas was a single activity (building, guarding), described in a single line of poetry, the third stanza offers three different vain activities (arising early, settling late, eating), all carried out for a single purpose – apparently, to make a living – but this purpose is not mentioned in the text.[1] This stanza therefore consists entirely of the three actions whose heading is, “in vain."



We must now ask, does the third stanza represent a smooth thematic continuation of its predecessors, or do the differences between them indicate that some new point is being made here?



Notwithstanding the differences set forth above, there are several decisive factors that place the third stanza as an unbroken continuation.



Firstly, the appearance of the word “shav” (“in vain”) at the outset represents the third repetition of this word, after it has appeared in each of the two previous stanzas. Apparently, the intention here is as it was in the previous stanzas: “There is no value to your actions unless God is party to them.”



Secondly, the types of human activity addressed previously – the building of a house and the guarding of a city – illustrate two typical areas of human existential endeavor: finding shelter and ensuring security. The third stanza seems to complement these by presenting another – even more prominent – typical existential area of effort: economic viability.



The three stanzas would therefore appear to represent a single idea that is broken down into three examples. It is therefore not reasonable to posit that the third stanza comes to present a new idea, different from the one expressed in the first two, without explaining its meaning.



What, then, is the meaning of the differences between the third stanza and its predecessors?



Let us first address the matter of the missing condition: “Unless God…." For this purpose we must go back to the parallel nature of the stanzas.



The third stanza itself is built as a parallel with three limbs.[2] Is there also a parallel between the third stanza and the previous two? (We have already seen that the first two stanzas maintain a clear parallel.)



The answer would seem to be clearly in the affirmative. The third stanza is a parallel in synonymous, chiastic, incomplete[3] form, as follows:



Stanzas a,b: If God does not…. … in vain





Stanza c: It is vain for you --



Considering that the third stanza parallels the previous stanzas in terms of content (hence our definition of this as a “synonymous parallel”), we must ask why its structure is different (bringing the consequence to the beginning of the sentence, and thereby producing a chiastic parallel), and why this stanza is lacking a part, requiring the intuition of its complement on the basis of the two previous stanzas (hence the definition as an “incomplete parallel”).



The answer to these questions is that all of the changes characterizing stanza c. in relation to its predecessors arise from the fact that this stanza concludes the first section of the psalm. I shall presently explain what this means.



When a chiastic parallel follows a direct one, it is often meant to “wrap up” the statement that is being made. As in many other instances in Tanakh, the chiasm here expresses conclusion and confirmation.[4] The third stanza concludes the first section of the psalm, and is therefore presented as a chiastic parallel to the two preceding stanzas.



The fact that the parallel is incomplete arises from the length of the description, in this stanza, of actions that are “vain”: there is an enumeration of three actions instead of a single one as in the previous stanzas. Thus, the number of words in this stanza (9) is equal to the number in the previous stanzas. Had the conditional clause (“Unless God…”) been added here, the quantitative balance would have been lost, with the consequent implications for the rhythm which would have been similarly affected – along with aesthetic considerations.[5]



However, we may ask: why does the third stanza need to enumerate three different activities that are undertaken “in vain”, rather than sufficing with just one? The answer is, once again, that since this stanza “sums up” the message of the first part of the psalm, the idea of “vanity” is expressed here with greater intensity and with greater variation – and hence, necessarily, at greater length. I will explain this further.



We have already hinted above that the example of human effort in the quest for existential needs that is discussed in this third stanza – the toil to ensure economic viability, to obtain sustenance – is a more obvious example than either of the two preceding ones. Why is this so?



The building of a house lasts for a limited time. When the action is complete, the house stands firm, and its inhabitant has satisfied his existential need for shelter.

The guarding of a city, in contrast, is an action that continues – every day and every night. However, this action is not one that every person engages in. The city guards are a small, defined group of people for whom guarding is a permanent, professional occupation. Furthermore, while guarding the city is unquestionably a position of great responsibility, it does not involve much physical effort – unlike many other human endeavors (such as building a house).



In a league of its own is the Sisyphean effort to make a living. This ongoing effort is the lot of every person, for all of his life. It requires that a person devote his days, from early in the morning until the evening, to hard work involving physical and mental exertion.



Thus, the message here is that it is not only the relatively brief endeavors (such as building a house) or professional specializations (like guarding) whose success depends on Divine involvement and help, but also – and especially – the endeavor that is most characteristic of the human condition, and the most demanding: making a living.



In light of this, the third stanza represents the most intensive expression of the idea set forth in the first part of the psalm. This also explains the extra enumeration of actions that are carried out “in vain” in this stanza – with ramifications for its structure and its parallel relationship with its predecessors.



The third stanza involves one further development: the psalmist addresses the people toiling to earn their bread in the second person: “It is vain for you…." This technique serves to intensify the tone of reproof that was already hinted at in the previous stanzas.



Previously, we noted that the formulation of the moral, religious message of our psalm in the negative (“Unless God builds… in vain”) alludes to the Divine retribution awaiting builders of the house and guards of the city who are not worthy of Divine partnership in their actions, and who will therefore see no success in their endeavors.



This note of rebuke becomes more tangible when the psalmist addresses people directly. The actions of these people, toiling endlessly to obtain sustenance, will not achieve anything if they are not blessed by God.



Thus, despite the differences between the third stanza and the two preceding ones – and by means of those differences – the third stanza turns out to represent a continuation and development of the same idea that they introduced.



(to be continued)



Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] The reason for its absence would seem to arise from the first difference that we noted above between the third stanza and the first two: previously, the purpose of the human activity – the building of the house or the guarding of the city – was noted in the conditional clause. However, since no conditional clause exists in the third stanza, there is no mention of the purpose of the activity that is carried out “in vain”, and we must conclude this from the nature of the activity that is described. Had some conditional clause existed here, the verse would read, “If God does not provide food”, or the suchlike.

[2] The parallel here is synonymous, direct, and incomplete (see the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms), as follows:

“It is vain for you to rise up early

to settle late

to eat the bread of toil.”

While the third stanza is not a complete parallel with the previous ones, it nevertheless expresses the same idea and with a similar word order.

[3] See the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms.

[4] As discussed at length and in detail by A. Mirsky z”l in his work, “Ha-Pissuk shel ha-Signon ha-Ivri” (First Edition, Mossad ha-Rav Kook, Jerusalem 5738; Second Edition published as “Signon Ivri,” Jerusalem 5759). Just two of the many examples that he cites are Tehillim 115:5-7 and 22:24.

[5] The first three stanzas, comprising the first part of the psalm, are all of about the same length – 8-9 words. The length of the four stanzas comprising the second part are likewise of similar length – 6-7 words. To illustrate the literary reason for the difference in the parallel that appears in the third stanza, let us imagine how the text would read had the direct and complete parallel continued into this stanza:

“Unless God builds a house its builders toil in vain.

Unless God guards a city the guard watches in vain.

Unless God grows bread those who awaken early and settle late do so in vain; those who work the ground eat the bread of toil.”

While the idea is expressed here more clearly than it is in the psalm as we have it, there can be no question that the literary and musical appeal is gone, and thus the whole moral and thematic power is lost

D. “For to His beloved He gives tranquility” – the conventional interpretation and its difficulties



We now come to the most problematic verse in our psalm: “For to His beloved He gives tranquility." The English translation here is just one of several possibilities; the literal meaning of the verse is not clear, and its connection with the preceding and following verses likewise demands some explanation.



The classical commentators, along with most modern scholars, understand the word “shena” (which we have translated thus far as “tranquility”) as though it ended with a ‘heh’ instead of an ‘alef’ – in other words, “sleep." This interpretation serves to link this phrase with the preceding stanza, which spoke about people who arise early in the morning and settle to sleep late, all because of their work. Our verse depicts a contrasting picture of God granting to “His beloved” the “sleep” that they need. What is the significance of this contrast?



1. Rabbi Menachem ha-Meiri



The Meiri provides the following explanation of the contrast between the third stanza and the phrase that follows it:[1]



“It is vain for you to awaken early” – for work; “to settle late” – meaning, you people who engage in work from early in the morning and who continue to engage in it until it is already nearly night, to the point where you eat your bread in sadness and toil.



“Thus” – meaning, all that you earn with all of your efforts and toil

“He gives to His beloved” – meaning, whomever He desires

“at rest” – meaning, while they are in a state of rest rather than in toil.”



Let us analyze this interpretation more closely. The Meiri understands the first word of the phrase, “khen," as an association – “thus." The association is to the profit which the workers referred to in the previous stanza obtain through their strenuous efforts.



This interpretation presents difficulties in terms of both style and content. Stylistically, we note that there is actually no mention of any profit in the third stanza.[2] How can our verse allude to something that was not previously stated?



In terms of content, the labor of the workers in the third stanza is described as being “in vain” – i.e., there is no point to it. Thus, the third stanza negates the value of any profit earned by these workers. How, then, can the psalm go on to promise this same doubtful, “vain” profit, to God’s “beloved," whom He desires?



Let us analyze further the words of the Meiri. He explains “shena” (in the sense of “sleep” or “rest”) not as the object that God gives as a gift to His beloved, but rather as a description of the way in which God gives His gift to His beloved. However, to achieve this meaning the Meiri is forced to add the letter ‘bet’ at the beginning of the word “shena” – “be-shena." In other words, God’s beloved will receive His gift while in a state of sleep or rest.



Aside from the linguistic problem of adding a prefix to the word, the interpretation of the Meiri is quite audacious in terms of its message. According to his explanation, our psalm nullifies the value of human action and the need for human effort, declaring that there is no need for them: whoever is beloved by God can lie upon his bed, while other people – of lesser spiritual nobility – are out working from early morning until night, and God will take care of his sustenance and ensure his livelihood even while he himself sleeps!



If this is the intention of the third stanza, we must revisit the first and second stanzas and view them in the same light: there is no need for the builders of a house to invest all their efforts, nor for the watchman to remain alert. All of these people can simply sleep in their beds, while God will take care of building the house and guarding the city – if they are worthy of His gift. If they are not worthy, then their efforts will in any case be “in vain."[3]



We have already discussed this possible interpretation, concluding that it goes against common sense and intuition, as well as against the ubiquitous biblical acknowledgment of the need for human effort. (In fact, as cited in the first shiur on this psalm, the Meiri himself is a most vociferous opponent of such an outlook!)



Indeed, the Meiri senses the problematic nature of his explanation and tries to offset it, in two ways. First – exegetically: he interprets the word “shena” not in the literal sense, but rather as “in a state of rest, rather than in toil." In other words, even God’s beloved is required to exert effort and to work, but in moderation. He will not arise early nor toil until late, but God will ensure him profit equal to that achieved through hard labor on the part of one who is not God’s beloved.



However, we must question this interpretation of the word “shena," which unquestionably denotes a state of passivity; it is not a word that is suited to describe moderate work.[4]

The second method that the Meiri adopts to dispel the “mistaken interpretation” is his insertion of a brief note at the end of his commentary on verse 2 (cited in full in a previous shiur): “All of this is meant not to discourage effort, for you will not find a single wise person who denounces effort and praises sloth...”

However, the Meiri’s apologetic efforts serve only to highlight the ideological difficulty of the verse as it stands, according to his interpretation. In any event, as discussed above, his interpretation seems forced in several respects.

2. Amos Chakham, “Da’at Mikra” commentary

Amos Chakham offers a slightly different interpretation of the phrase in question:

“Khen” (indeed) – for reinforcement. The matter is true.

“He gives rest to His beloved” – God gives sleep to his beloved, and does not require him to remain awake for long hours, for He blesses the work of his hands, and he has time to sleep as much as he needs and to work enough to ensure his sustenance.”

From the point of view of linguistics, this interpretation avoids the pitfalls discussed above in relation to the Meiri,[5] while in terms of content the two explanations are rather similar.

However, this explanation presents a new difficulty, which Chakham addresses (ibid., n. 4):

“In the Proverbs of Shlomo there are many warnings against excessive sleep, which causes man to neglect his work. For example (Mishlei 6:9), “For how long will you sleep, O sluggard; when will you arise from your sleep?”;[6] (Mishlei 20:13), “Do not love sleep, lest you become impoverished; open your eyes and you will be satisfied with bread." This verse seems to be saying the very opposite of our psalm: “Those who eat the bread of toil – thus shall He give to His beloved (in) tranquility."”[7]

He answers as follows:

“However, in truth the messages are compatible. What they mean is that one should sleep in the measure needed for a person’s health. Concerning one who adds (sleep) to this, it is written, “Do not love sleep...," while concerning one who subtracts from it, it says, “It is vain for you to awaken early… for He shall give to His beloved tranquility." This wise man means to say… that a person should not exceed the proper measure: sloth is an evil trait; in contrast, industriousness is a trait that is praiseworthy, but a person who is excessively conscientious in his work and consumes all his bodily strength with his hard labor, is not counted as one who is diligent and praiseworthy, but rather among the scorned who “eat the bread of toil."”

The contradiction between our psalm and Sefer Mishlei concerning the relationship between diligence and sleep is resolved by proposing that Mishlei refers to a person who sleeps too much and works too little, while Tehillim describes the opposite phenomenon – those who sleep too little and work too much. Both earn disapproval.

However, according to Chakham’s explanation, the subject of the third stanza has imperceptibly been altered, and is no longer the same message that was addressed in the first two stanzas. There, the psalmist was not talking about the proper ratio of hard work to sleep and rest. While this is an important subject in its own right, and certainly worthy of being addressed in the “wisdom literature," it is not the subject of our psalm. Our psalm is discussing the relationship between human effort and God’s involvement and partnership in those efforts. It comes to teach us that if God is not party to man’s initiatives, none of his labor will amount to anything.

In the previous shiur we took pains to show that this is also the subject of the third stanza, which we showed to be a continuation of its predecessors: “It is vain for you, who arise early...” is not a rebuke of people who invest too much time and effort in their hard labor, but rather a rebuke directed towards those who believe that their sustenance is dependence solely on their work, with no understanding that without God’s will to provide them with bread, their efforts will be in vain.[8] This understanding arises both from the word “shav," which reappears (for the third time) at the beginning of the third stanza and – apparently – with the same meaning as in the two previous stanzas, and from the literary parallel between the third stanza and the previous two.

What is it that causes Amos Chakham to “slip” into a different interpretation for the third stanza? The answer is, of course, the contrast between the praise of rest (in the verse, “So/thus shall He give rest to His beloved...”) and the denunciation of hard work (“It is vain for you, who arise early...”).

If his interpretation of the words, “Indeed, He shall give rest to His beloved," is correct, then his explanation of the previous stanza (c) makes sense. But the rest of this is a change of subject in the third stanza: instead of the religious message with which the psalm begins, the third stanza presents practical guidance as to the proper balance between work and rest!

All of this leads us to seek a new and different interpretation of the phrase in question.
[1] Rabbi Yishayahu Detrani preceded the Meiri with a similar explanation, but the Meiri is easier to understand.

[2] Unless we posit that the “bread of toil” is itself the profit in question, instead of our assumption that the eating of the bread in such oppressive conditions is part of the description of the efforts expended by those who toil in vain.

[3] While there are certainly some religious approaches that support such a view – including among Jews – it would certainly be quite astonishing to find such extreme expression of such a view in one of the psalms of Sefer Tehillim!

[4] We might explain, based on the Meiri (and perhaps this is his intention) that the “shena” that is referred to is at the appropriate times – i.e., from the beginning of the night to the end of the night, times which the workers referred to previously would spend in their labors (arising early, before the dawn, and returning late, after nightfall). The beloved of God, according to this view, need toil only during the hours reasonably suited for work, and sleep at night, and God will nevertheless provide full profit. (This is closer to the interpretation proposed by R. Yishayahu Detrani.) The problem with this explanation arises when we compare the “praise of sleep” with the lessons conveyed in Sefer Mishlei – see below.

[5] The word “khen” is not understood as an allusion or association with something else. We note that there is some question as to his interpretation of the word in the sense of “indeed," since if this were the intention, the word order should rather have been, “Indeed, He gives sleep…” (khen, yiten li-yedido shena).

[6] The verse continues: “A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of hands to retire” – meaning, if a lazy person tells himself that he wants just “a little sleep," etc., then “so your poverty will come like a marauder and your want (will proceed before you) like an armed man”. The same message is repeated again in Mishlei 24:33-34.

[7] What Chakham is saying is that in Mishlei, sleep is a contrast to being satisfied with bread, while in our psalm it is the getting up early that turns the bread into “bread of toil," while one who sleeps long will eat bread in tranquility.

[8] Thus, there is no contradiction of the messages in praise of diligence and conscientiousness in Sefer Mishlei. Even from our psalm one might conclude that if God gives a person sustenance, then it is proper that he arise early and labor until late, just as it is proper for builders to toil over building a house, and for the watchman to remain alert at his watch.

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Post  true lilly on Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:57 pm

"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:

AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants
on the loose to fill a regional city -
and many are from Britain and America...

...oh, those Americans and Brits who would
rather be illegal Australians,
than legal Brits and Americans...


...hope at least some are on our side,
telling the truth of what 'secular democracy'
did to their once great nations.

SOCIAL MEDIA USED TO SPREAD BRITAIN'S RIOTS
Social media used to spread Britain's riots




The only answer Any Ruling Government has
to mass uprisings of VIOLENT TWITTERING IDIOTS,
IS, 'MORE EFFECTIVE'/DEADLY VIOLENCE.

Just what "tintin/David Icke/Julian Assange et al"
SLAVE to SPREAD OVER ALL THE WORLD.

And what happy slaves they are, enjoying their
5 Star Lifestyles and 5 Star PRIVATE SECURITY,
while driving the poor and powerless to riot and DIE,
TO MAINTAIN "their" WEALTH and SECURITY!


"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose
to populate a large regional city, documents show.


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Interactive: Where they came from
Overstaying: Guests abuse their welcome
Editorial: Illegal immigrant crisis needs fixing

...and "They" won't be happy until our country
is like this...!!!



Protesters calling for,
the temporary military government in Egypt,
to cede power,
have been targeted by security forces
wielding tear gas and rubber bullets.

Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.


Picture: AFP
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Egypt's latest uprising

"Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.
"
, is ONLY the count SO FAR, for THIS,
LATEST round of violence,
"they've" whipped
the twittering masses into, all over the world.

Now if we would only send the UNGRATEFUL,
SELFISH, SELF SERVING, SPOILED BRAT, 'australian'
IDIOTS pushing "their" genocidal agenda here,
to those lands where, like DAVID ICKE Official Forums,
freely sharing the teachings of The Creator of Life,
IS BANNED and CAN GET YOU KILLED, maybe they
would finally see, that the first step to bloody downfalls,
is to turn your back on The Creator of Life and reject
The Wisdom of His Faithful Word.

As The Majority, in these Nations (like their RELIGIOUS Brothers,
The Majority in our OVER CROWDED Neighbouring Nations, using
every trick in the book to get into Australia), SO PROUDLY DO!

Oh, but "they" are DEMANDING DEMOCRACY!... that system
where The Majority of Twittering Idiots are "empowered" with
"voter numbers" to CHANGE OUR LAWS, FOR "THEIRS"!!!

That system that keeps making more of Europe look like...






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An Egyptian police vehicle burns as protesters chant during the clashes.

A member of the military council, Major General Mohsen el-Fangari,
said protesters' calls for change ahead of the election
were a threat to the state.


''What is the point of being in Tahrir?'' he asked,
speaking by phone to a private TV channel.


''What is the point of this strike, of the million marches?
Aren't there legal channels to pursue demands
in a way that
won't impact Egypt ... internationally?


''The aim of what is going on is to shake the backbone of the state,
which is the armed forces.''


Middle East and North Africa in turmoil
Anti-government protests are spreading rapidly
through the Middle East and North Africa.
Use this chart to keep up with all of the demonstrations,
day by day.
Click a country on the map or the tabs below to read more.

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Post  mugglez on Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:26 am

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.
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What are you blind? You didn't see the first two Posts? You don't believe Genesis 10, the Table of Nations, you don't know that life began beneath the sea before it appeared on land? You don't know/understand that human life is quantitatively and qualitateively different then all other life on this Planet and the Universe?





lilly, you falsely claim that no one responds/refutes your 'claims' that australia is the Biblical 'promised Land'. That you falsely 'claim' that australia is the Biblical Zion.

That you 'claim' that the land of egypt is not mentioned in the Bible, that some of the events of Abraham, Joseph, and the Tribes of the Hebrews/Israelites did not take place in Egypt.

You also Falsely claim that Yahshua/Jesus 'did away' with the Torah/Instruction of YHWH-Yahweh.

You also Falsely claim that 'spiritual Israel' replaces the Jews and the geographical Israel.


ALL of your 'claims' are FALSE and I, Senor El Kabong, Monsieur Le Sabrage and Barnacle Bill have refuted ALL your 'claims', proving them to be FALSE and wrong with credentialed Scholarship and credentialed Academic and Theological Sources.

Here is your challenge. Will you run away as always, obfusicate the clear meanings or will you 'stand toe to toe' and support your FALSE 'claims' with credentialed sources that can be verified.

Truth IS NOT ambiguous and subject to personal opinion. TRUTH is FACT/Reality. Below is a Timeline of the Earths Evolution.........from the beginning. Notice the formation and dissolution of the various Super-continents. Also notice the great oxidization of the earths atmosphere event.......all supported by the fossil record. Do you agree or disagree?


The Kloo Store is open!!!!! The words you are talking about ORIGINALLY were scribed in Hebrew, at Sinai. Circa approximately 1,500 BCE............examine this authentic scientific Timeline............Notice, if you will when the Landmasses SEPARATED..........Notice if you will the Oxidization of the Atmosphere.......before you babble anymore nonsense acquire the Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker......all you are doing is Antisemitic/judeophobic propaganda replacement bullshit...... ..


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html



Counting Backwards from Now

60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.

380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.

2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.

205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.

313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia


1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.

3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.
3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth. wave


4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!


The Genesis enigma: How DID the Bible describe the evolution of life 3,000 years before Darwin?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz1eMgMePRe

The revalation came to Professor Andrew Parker during a visit to Rome. He was in the Sistine Chapel, gazing up at Michelangelo's awesome ceiling paintings, when a realisation struck him with dizzying force.
'A Biblical enigma exists that is on the one hand so cryptic it has remained camouflaged for millennia, and on the other so obvious one cannot miss it.'
The enigma is that the order of Creation as described in the Book of Genesis, and so powerfully depicted in the Sistine Chapel by the greatest artist of the Renaissance, has been precisely, eerily confirmed by modern evolutionary science.

Yet how on earth could this be possible? And why had nobody noticed it before?
Such was the starting point of Parker's jaw-dropping new book, The Genesis Enigma: an astounding work which seeks to prove that the ancient Hebrew writers of the Book of Genesis knew all about evolution - 3,000 years before Darwin.
It takes a journey back through aeons of geological time, and also into the minds and imaginations of the ancient Israelites.
Andrew Parker is a leading scientist in his field: a research fellow at Oxford University, research leader at the Natural History Museum, and as if that weren't enough, a professor at Shanghai's Jiao Tong university.
As a scientist he never paid much heed to the Book of Genesis, assuming, like most of his colleagues, that such primitive mythology - which is believed to have been compiled from several sources between 950 and 500 BC - has long since been 'disproved' by hard scientific fact.
But after his Sistine Chapel moment, he went back to look at Genesis in more detail. And what he read astonished him. It was even, he says, 'slightly scary'.
Somehow - God alone knew how - the writer or writers of that ancient text had described how the evolution of life on earth took place in precise detail and perfect order.
Our ancestors possessed a truly timeless wisdom It is always disturbing and haunting to encounter an ancient wisdom that seems to anticipate or even exceed our own.
More fanciful writers immediately start to theorise wildly: that those who built the pyramids, or Stonehenge, must have been guided by super-intelligent aliens, that sort of thing.
Andrew Parker, a scientist and proud of it, has no time for such twaddle. But he does gradually come to understand, in the course of his investigations, that our ancestors of thousands of years ago, though they may not have had iPods and plasma-screen televisions, nevertheless possessed a wisdom that was, quite literally, timeless: as true now as it was then.
In the Book of Genesis, God first and most famously creates heaven and earth, but 'without form', and commands: 'Let there be light.' A perfect description of the Big Bang, that founding moment of our universe some 13 billion years ago, an unimaginable explosion of pure energy and matter 'without form' out of nothing - the primordial Biblical 'void'.
He then creates the dry land out of the waters, but it is the water that comes first. As Parker points out, scientists today understand very similarly that water is indeed crucial for life.

When 'astrobiologists' look into space for signs of life on other planets, the first thing they look for is the possible presence of water.
On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'
Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.
But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.

The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.
As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.
Naturally, says Parker, 'the ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled life form, let alone cyanobacteria', but 'grass' as a loose description of life forms that photosynthesise?

On the fourth day, Genesis famously becomes confusing. On the first day, remember, God has already created light, and made Day and Night. But it isn't until day four that he makes the lights in heaven, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser the night.
Hang on - so he made 'Day' three days before he made the Sun? Houston, I think we have a problem.

Yet the writers of Genesis were just as well aware as us, surely, that the sunrise causes the day. You don't need a degree in astronomy to work that one out. What on earth did they mean?
Here, The Genesis Enigma comes up with a stunningly ingenious answer. For Parker argues that day four refers to the evolution of vision.
Until the first creatures on earth evolved eyes, in a sense, the sun and moon didn't exist. There was no creature on earth to see them, nor the light they cast.

When Genesis says: 'Let there be lights... To divide the day from the night,' it is talking about eyes.
'The very first eye on earth effectively turned on the lights for animal behaviour,' writes Professor Parker, 'and consequently for further rapid evolution.'
Almost overnight, life suddenly grew vastly more complex. Predators were able to hunt far more efficiently, and so prey had to evolve fast too - or get eaten.

The moment that there were 'lights', or eyes, then life exploded into all its infinite variety.
And yet again, that's what Genesis says happened, and in the correct environment too. In the sea.
For on the very next day of Creation, the fifth day: 'God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life."'

That is exactly what happened. Life that had hitherto been lived in the dark, by simple, slow-moving, worm-like creatures, erupted into dazzling diversity. We know all about it from the world famous Burgess Shale fossils.
They were discovered in the summer of 1909 by one Charles Doolittle Walcott, on holiday with his family in the Canadian Rockies. Walcott began to chip away at the shale with his geological hammer, and quite by chance stumbled upon one of the greatest finds in all science.
For the shale records what happened on our planet around 508 million years ago, long before the first dinosaurs: the 'Cambrian expolosion,' which most scientists now think was indeed the direct result of the evolution of vision.
Life on earth exploded in all its infinite variety The life-forms discovered look like nothing else: fabulous, phantasmagoric, alien beings. One had five eyes, and a long wavy snout with jaws on the end. Another looked like an octopus with its head stuck in a beaker, and another can only be described as 'a swimming pea with a pair of beady eyes, bull's horns, a pair of "hands" and a fish's tail.'
Others resemble balls of spines, vase-shaped pin-cushions, or badminton shuttlecocks with chameleon-like tongues. Anyone who doubts the power of evolution by natural selection only has to look at the Burgess Shale fossils.
How does Genesis describe the teeming aquatic life of the Cambrian explosion? 'And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life." ' Immediately following the creation of vision.
How did the writer/writers know that life suddenly diversified into this rich and staggering variety, under the oceans, not on land? Why would a very much land-based people, pastoralists and shepherds, even think like this?
After the Cambrian come the Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian periods - or the appearance of 'great whales', as Genesis succinctly puts it.
How better to describe those epochs which gave us such monsters of the deep as Dunkleosteus, a carnivorous armoured fish whose appearance, says Parker, was 'simply terrifying'. Some 35ft long, 'the size of a small coach', with massive, bone-crunching jaws, even its eyes were armoured.
And after the sea monsters come the birds, the animals, cattle, and finally, homo sapiens. All present and correct, and all still in the right order. Once again, 'In describing how the planet and life around us came to be, the writer of the Genesis narrative got it disturbingly right'.
So what should we make of the extraordinary findings of The Genesis Enigma?
Professor Parker is clear on this subject. 'It would be a great shame if my findings were either misused in an attempt to suggest that scientists themselves are unsure about science, or pounded out of all recognition into support of the seven-day creation premise.'
There is no doubt that literal-minded Creationists do a disservice to the triumphant achievements of modern science, and to the beauty and poetry of the Bible. Evolution is taking place around us all the time. It's why the MRSA superbug has become so dangerously immune to antibiotics, why the race is on to beat the swine flu virus.
Nevertheless, when Parker comes to explaining how the writers of Genesis knew what they knew, he can only conclude that it was due to 'divine intervention', or 'a lucky guess'. Since the odds of the latter seem fantastically remote, Parker tentatively suggests the former.



That totally refutes your unsupported claims. You pervert The Word of God, you dismiss and attack the Torah, Gods instruction to humanity, you claim to replace the jews and Israel based upon distorted and deformed interpretation of Hebrew Texts.......you.........suzi/lilly are the proverbial False Prophet, a pessimist, it took you a week to respond to an honest debate and you lied and bullshitted... thumbs up

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Post  true lilly on Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:28 pm

Slipper tipped as
Harry Jenkins resigns
as lower house Speaker

by:Phillip Hudson, Steve Lewis
From:Herald Sun AAP
November 24, 2011
9:08AM
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Queensland Liberal MP Peter Slipper looks set to be the new Speaker in the House of Representatives. Picture: Ray Strange
The Daily Telegraph


Speaker Harry Jenkins has resigned his position.
The Daily Telegraph

UPDATE 11am: A CONTROVERSIAL Queensland Coalition MP - who is facing
possible expulsion from his own party - is set to become the
Labor-backed Speaker of the Parliament.

Labor MPs are meeting this morning after Victorian MP Harry Speaker
dropped a bombshell announcement that he was quitting as Speaker after
1382 days in the hot seat.

Mr Jenkins only told Prime Minister Julia Gillard about his decision
at 7.30am today.

It is believed Labor will nominate the Coalition MP and deputy Speaker Peter Slipper for the post.

The move will immediately change the numbers on the floor of the House of Representatives, giving Labor an extra vote.

“It will increase our numbers and 76-73 is better than 75-74,” said one Labor MP backing the push to put Mr Slipper in the post.

Senior Labor sources said the Caucus was meeting with Anthony Albanese, the
Manager of Government Business, to nominate Mr Slipper for the role.

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But despite the advantage to Labor, a number of Government MPs are
expected to express concern about Mr Slipper being appointed to one of
the highest positions in the parliament.

Labor
has 72 votes - plus Greens' MP Adam Bandt - in the 150 seat chamber,
relying on the rural independents to pass legislation.

If Mr
Slipper resigns from the LNP and sits on the cross-benches, it would
make it easier for Ms Gillard to secure legislative passage as she
would gain the added vote of Mr Jenkins.

Julia should be the one resigning - Abbott

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said it should be up to the Gillard government to
provide a replacement for Mr Jenkins, and stressed any Coalition member
accepting the post would be automatically dumped from the party room.

"This is bad day for democracy in Australia,''
he told reporters in Canberra.

"The Speaker has resigned so that the government can shore up its numbers in
the parliament,'' Mr Abbott said adding it should have been Ms Gillard
who resigned, not Mr Jenkins.

"I
think what we will see after today is a Government dependent on the
Greens, Independents and a new speaker, which I think is a sign of how
fragile and desperate this
Government is to shore up its own position."

Mr Abbott said no Coalition member would be able to stand in as Speaker, following a resolution of the Coalition party room.

"Any of our members that might accept such a nomination would henceforth be
excluded from our party room and expected to resign their membership of
the parties,'' Mr Abbott said.

But Mr Abbott said he did not think Mr Slipper was at the party room meeting.

Speaker's frustration behind shock move

Mr Jenkins said he quit because he had become frustrated at the stricture
of minority government and he wanted to participate in policy and
parliamentary debate. As Speaker he has been unable to do that.

Mr Slipper has faced questions about his use of parliamentary entitlements
and is facing a possible challenge in his Queensland seat.

The Deputy Speaker earned the ire of LNP executives after snubbing a visit
to his electorate by former Prime Minister John Howard just over a week
ago.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott suggested Mr Jenkins' resignation was due to turmoil within the Labor Party.

Mr Jenkins told a hushed Parliament this morning that he would go
"placidly, with my humour intact'' as he received a standing ovation
from Government and Opposition MPs.

He explained that he had become progressively frustrated at the stricture of minority government.

"My desire is to be able to participate in policy and parliamentary debate,
and this would be incompatible with continuing in the role of Speaker,'' he said.

Mr Jenkins said he had always tried to uphold the fine traditions of Speaker and carry out
his duties in the most independent and non-partisan manner possible.

"I thank all members for their co-operation which they have
dispensed to varying degrees depending upon the individual,'' he said.

He also thanked House of Representatives staff including Clerk Bernard Wright,
officers of the Department of Parliamentary Services, and his own staff.

After teaching US President Barack Obama last week the phrase
"cheese and kisses'' for "missus'', Mr Jenkins slipped some more rhyming slang into
his farewell.

"I acknowledge my eternal indebtedness to my 'trouble and strife' Michele,'' he said.

He also thanked the four generations of his family "without whose support I
would never have been able to achieve the high office I hold''.

"I go placidly with my humour intact. I wish you all well.''
- with AAP

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petras wrote: 23-11-2011, 07:54 PM

The World from Berlin


Berlin's Reaction to Neo-Nazi Terror 'Is Too Late'

German papers were filled Wednesday with images of Chancellor Angela
Merkel and members of her cabinet standing with their heads bowed on the
floor of the Bundestag. Their statement said: "We are deeply ashamed."

The current interior minister, Hans-Peter Friedrich, reportedly is
looking for a way to ban the NPD without stopping the use of informants,
which would mean that the authorities would lose a valuable source of
information about the party. The departing Israeli ambassador to Berlin,
Yoram Ben-Zeev, has also called for a ban of the party. He told
the mass circulation daily Bild: "Democracies must fight against such
things. I don't want to draw comparisons, but the Nazis were also a
legitimate party. They came to power in a legitimate way."

'I thank President (Christian) Wulff that he will be meeting today with
the relatives, and offering a sign of solidarity and sympathy from the
entire German people,' said Merkel.

'These attacks were no more and no less than an attack on our democratic system,' she said.

Responding to opposition allegations that domestic intelligence agencies
had paid less attention to rightists than to leftists, she said, 'We
can do without that ... It drives a wedge into the unity among democrats.'

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...799500,00.html
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...cy-says-Merkel





First picture of "wedge" on google: RED SHOES, peep-toes, TOMS
(note the colours of the label)

Zeev

Zeh = toe in German



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Intelligent design



see: Watchmaker analogy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Quote:Originally Posted by petras

The "NSU - Döner-Kebab-Bosphorus serial murders"
entangled in a web of various secret services' interests

http://translate.google.de/translate...id%3Dz%26c%3D3

People from Groningen Province
Abel Tasman, Explorer


The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.

So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?


Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.
TASMANIA

Terry Martin (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Former MP guilty of sex crimes against 12-year-old girl in Tasmania
Ex-MP Terence Lewis Martin guilty of sex with girl, 12

SA MP arrested on child porn charges


The Bonne-Chière windmill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groningen_%28province%29
Political history
East Groningen was the scene of a particularly fierce class struggle in the 19th and 20th centuries. Perhaps not coincidentally, Groningen boasts the only municipality (Beerta) where the Communist Party of the Netherlands has ever had a mayor (Hanneke Jagersma).
Culture
Groeningemuseum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruges
Bruges-la-Morte, meaning "Bruges-the-dead",
which was adapted into
Erich Wolfgang Korngold's opera,
Die tote Stadt
(The Dead City).
In the last half of the 19th century,
Brugesbecame
one of the world's first tourist destinations
attracting wealthy British
and French tourists.
[clarification needed]

Only in the second half of the 20th century has the city started to
reclaim
some of its past glory.

The port of Zeebrugge was built in 1907.
The Germans used it for their U-boats in World War I.

It was greatly expanded in the 1970s and early 1980s
and has become one
of Europe's most important and modern ports.


International tourism has boomed,
and new efforts have resulted in Bruges being designated
'European Capital of Culture' in 2002.



The Elly Mærsk, here at Zeebrugge port,
currently one of the world's largest container vessels.


In Bruges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwHHkxFBpBE&NR=1
http://tinyurl.com/68cgsdt


http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=191310&page=3




[url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0268199/][/url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780536/quotes
Ray
:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have
the good sense not to... hang on.
Is Belgium with all those
child abuse murders lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.
What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates
and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.


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MP Bernard Finnigan charged over alleged possession of kiddie porn
Posted: April 21, 2011 in Australian Crimes, Crimes, Current News, Pedophiles
Tags: aussiecriminals, Bernard Finnigan, Child pornography, criminals, Member of Parliament, Mike Rann, Paedophiles, Politicians, PREMIER Mike Rann, South Australia
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25 Votes
<blockquote>Dirty sleazy filthy rotten conniving fat paedophile wannabe busted with kiddie porn.
and masquerading as a good catholic boy, a self proclaimed servant of
Christ!!! Should of become a priest, or maybe thank god he didn’t, he
then would of had easy access to boys…Get this fat ugly bastard into
jail fast please…
</blockquote>
Update 9th June 2011
(SODLIKE:
Most users ever online was
267 on Sat Jul 09, 2011)


UPPER House MP Bernard Finnigan turned up at Parliament for a
ridiculous self-indulgent cameo today….The fat pervert selfish in the
extreme, not even giving the government the respect to stay around for
more than a few minutes


The former leader of the Government in the Upper
House appeared at 4.35pm and left after eight minutes at 4.43pm. He
resumed his seat on the back bench on the Government side on the
chamber, but did not make any comment or contribute to the debate.

Mr Finnigan refused to explain his absence for seven straight
sittings to reporters and would not say if he intended to keep his seat.
He walked slowly to the carpark before driving off.

Under parliamentary rules, MPs are automatically dismissed from
office if they miss 12 consecutive sitting days without being granted
leave, traditionally allowed in instances of sickness.

Mr Finnigan missed seven sitting days and was required to attend
before June 23 to avoid being sacked, and forfeiting his $130,000 base
salary, access to an office and staff as well as subsidised car and
phone use. His appearance yesterday means he can remain absent until
September 14.

He only needed to attend
Parliament today long enough to have his appearance noted to win another
12-sitting day reprieve from expulsion.


UPDATE 20/05/11 here is his court case number 223 AMC-11-4367 F, B.V. (SUPPRESSED) what a joke
<blockquote>The slime bag appeared in court today and will appear in
court again in August. I wonder who is paying this fat slimy slobs legal
bills? He his hiding behind the fact he has not entered a plea to
hoping to stop himself being revealed…Too late sicko!
</blockquote>THE disgraced politician at the centre of child pornography allegations made his first court appearance at Adelaide’s Magistrates Court today!

The man, who has yet to plead to multiple counts of child pornography offences, arrived at court just before 10am.

He was accompanied by his lawyer Michael Abbott, QC, and his solicitor Dominic Agresta.

The trio walked silently through a large media pack and
entered the court. Oh don’t they wish they could say more my
friends…(feel free to send me anonymous emails!!!)


Section 71A of the Evidence Act (1929) bans the media from publishing any evidence tendered, or submission made, in the Magistrates Court relating to an alleged sex offence.

See the date of that act? Friggin
1929!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! About time for an update, considering we are in
the super information highway of the 21st century?


Luckily I am not the media and as all this information is
publicly available on the internet. I take snippets from various sources
and do not claim to represent them.I choose to reproduce it here.


Alleged offenders can only be named and submissions reported, when they enter a plea to the charges. This was the case in 1929!!!

As he left court, the man and Mr Agresta were involved in a scuffle with a reporter.

Courts sheriff officers ejected the reporter from the court, and banned him from the building for 24 hours.

The man, who is on bail, will appear in court again in August.

<blockquote>UPDATE 24/04/11 Rann’s Press Conference, so much for an open government, just stick your head in the sand Rann! It will go away

Mr Rann declined to give any support to Mr Finnigan yesterday when asked if he should quit politics.

“That’s up to Mr Finnigan and those matters will be dealt with at a later stage,” Mr Rann said. Opposition education spokesman David Pisoni said Labor must explain why Mr Finnigan resigned as minister.

“When Mr Finnigan was announced as minister 72 days earlier there was great fanfare,” Mr Pisoni said. “The
Premier has been silent on the reasons for Mr Finnigan leaving the
ministry – South Australians deserve an explanation, why did we see such
a sudden departure of Mr Finnigan?”


Is it totally a coincidence NO ITS NOT that South Australian MP and acting Police Minister Bernard Finnigan has resigned from Cabinet today? Premier Mike Rann announced this morning that he had accepted Mr Finnigan’s resignation from Cabinet and Executive Council.
</blockquote>Bernard Finnigan being sworn in, now busted with kiddie porn

PREMIER Mike Rann says he is shocked by reports of an MP
being charged with serious criminal offences involving alleged
possession of child pornography.


The MP at the centre of the allegations has been identified as a
Labor MP but a six-paragraph statement released by Mr Rann makes no
mention of the MP’s political affiliations.

“For legal reasons, no person, including me as Premier, is at liberty
to reveal the identity of the person, the subject of the allegations,
or to disclose any information through which others may infer the
identity of the person,” Mr Rann said.

“It would be against the law for me to comment on the allegations as the matter is now before the courts.

“I believe that any potential witnesses with any evidence or
information about these allegations must co-operate fully with police.”

Mr Rann said the Government would, of course, co-operate with the police in the investigation.

The MP was taken to the City Watchhouse on Wednesday night, charged with four child pornography offences and later released on police bail.

He will appear in Adelaide Magistrates Court on May 20.

Detectives said their investigation was continuing.

Under SA law he cannot be identified until his committal, unless he gives his consent.

He returned home earlier today but had not spoken to the waiting media outside.

Politicians from both sides say they are shocked by the allegations.

Police said the arrest was the result of the Sexual Crime
Investigation Branch’s ongoing “Operation Decimate”, which targets
people who use the internet for child exploitation-related offences.

The maximum penalty for possessing child pornography in South
Australia is five years in jail for a first offence. The maximum penalty
for an aggravated offence in seven years in jail.

Section 63 of the Criminal Law Consolidation Act 1935 says that an
aggravated offence includes an offender knowing that the victim was aged
under 14 at the time, or the offence being committed in the company of
one or more other people.

It is believed several laptops were seized from the MP’s suburban home.

Turmoil swept state political circles as details of the incident emerged.

There were reports that police visited the MP’s office at Parliament
House but this was denied by the presiding officers, who have to give
permission for police to enter the building.

Legislative Council President Bob Sneath said he had not been approached by police and Speaker Lyn Breuer said she had not been contacted by police.

Ms Breuer said she was “certainly concerned about the issue”.

Labor and Liberal MPs were in shock last night and few were prepared
to talk about the incident. Many were asking the media for details.

A spokeswoman for Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond said she could not comment.

It is understood the MP’s home was raided on Tuesday afternoon and police spent 24 hours analysing the contents of a computer.

Yesterday, they went to the MP’s office and seized another computer for analysis. Last night, police returned to the MP’s house.

One officer emerged from the house about 7.35pm and went to a police
car. He then carried what appeared to be a tape back into the house. At
7.55pm, two detectives wearing gloves searched a car parked in the
driveway.

They examined the boot and under the seats before returning to the
house. Police left the house at 8.10pm carrying several evidence bags
containing compact discs and a mobile phone and the house was shut and
left in darkness.

Why the MP charged with alleged child pornography offences cannot be named

THE name of the Labor MP charged with child pornography
offences will remain a state secret for months thanks to an 35-year-old
law.Absolute rubbish, should be one law for all…


It is further banned from naming any person charged with an offence, and must not identify anyone alleged to be a victim.

The act defines a sex crime as “any offence involving sexual
exploitation or abuse of a child, or exploitation of a child as an
object of prurient interest”.

The act says alleged offenders can only be named once they have
entered a plea – be it guilty or not guilty – to the charges, and have
been remanded for either sentence or trial.

The MP is due to appear in court again on May 20, when a magistrate will organise a schedule for the case.

Usually, prosecutors are given between four and six weeks to provide
declarations – summaries of the evidence to be used at trial – to
defence counsel.

Once those papers are handed over, alleged offenders are usually required to enter a plea to the charges within six weeks.

After the pleas have been entered, the alleged offender can be
publicly identified provided the court does not impose any additional
suppression orders.

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Post  MoMo on Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:34 am

Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland







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This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche? wave

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia. thinking hmm wave



http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
noway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

thinking hmm noway

Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.


A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.



cheese

H boobies

Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?
noway



Volcanoes and Earthquakes.




Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html


Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat wave and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)
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Twenty police injured in nuke protest

AP
GERMAN police say
20 policemen were injured
during clashes with protesters
ahead of the arrival of
a shipment of nuclear waste.

true lilly wrote:Nuclear waste train heads into Germany
From:AFP
November 25, 2011 9:45PM
Last Updated: November 26, 2011

THE last train carrying reprocessed nuclear waste back from France
to Germany crossed the border today after being delayed by
demonstrations and steamed towards more trouble.

The train, carrying 11 wagonloads of vitrified radioactive material,
left a siding in the station of Remilly, just outside the town of Metz
and around 30km from the German border, at 7pm (AEDT).


Several hundred French riot police had protected the train overnight, and
around 60 German officers and a French "RAID" team - a SWAT-style
special weapons squad - were on board as it resumed its journey.


The train had left a yard operated by the French nuclear giant Areva in
Valognes, in Normandy, on Wednesday, due to travel more than 1100km
across France and through Germany to the waste dump in Gorleben.


But violent anti-nuclear protests delayed its journey, and authorities
halted it overnight while trying to keep demonstrators guessing about
its eventual route across the border and back into Germany.


Related Coverage

Today, it finally crossed the frontier in the border town of Forbach, just south of Saarbrucken, and entered Germany.

Last November a similar controversial shipment took 91 hours to arrive at
its final destination - a day longer than planned - and it was dogged
the length of the route by French and then German protesters.


Around 50,000 activists turned out in Germany to try to disrupt the train
during that transfer, and protest organisers expect 20,000 to demonstrate
against the convoy as it nears the central town of Gorlebenlater on Friday.


Some 19,000 German officers have been deployed, and tear gas and water canon
were fired when clashes erupted overnight when a few hundred protesters tried
to block the line around 20km outside Gorleben.


Spooked by Japan's Fukushima disaster, Germany has decided to phase out its
use
of nuclear power, and thus bring to an end the controversial practice
of sending radioactive waste overland to France for reprocessing.


Anti-nuclear activists want France to follow suit and shut its reactors, an idea
firmly dismissed by President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose government believes
French industry is reliant on cheap nuclear-generated electricity.


There has long been widespread public opposition in Germany to nuclear power,
which environmentalists believe presents an unacceptable radioactive threat
to public health and the environment.


In March, the Japanese nuclear plant at Fukushima Daiichi was hit by an earthquake
and a tsunami, triggering a meltdown and massive radiation leak - and increasing
worldwide concerns over nuclear power.


Chancellor Angela Merkel's government agreed to halt German reactors by 2022,
forcing energy suppliers to close plants and levying a tax on fuel.


In the meantime, Germany will no longer send nuclear waste for
reprocessing in France, but will instead stockpile it until a way is
found to make it safe.


France produces 75 per cent of its electricity needs in nuclear plants - a
higher proportion than any other country - and its electricity bills are around
25 per cent cheaper than in its neighbours, a boon to industry.


German protesters are angry that Merkel's announced nuclear phase-out will
take another decade, and that there is still no permanent storage site for the waste generated in the country's reactors.
German mother
gives birth to gigantic baby,
names him 'Jihad'


Mother Elfi holds her son Jihad at Charit Campus hospital in Berlin.
Picture: AP Sunday Herald Sun


AN obese German mother gave birth to a gigantic baby boy
without the help of a C-section, and named him
"Jihad."
The newborn -- the mother's 14th -- weighed in at 5.9kg
__________________________________________________________________
25 November 2011
Last updated at 21:08 GMT

Belgium credit rating downgraded by S&P

S&P says it considers Belgian government debt
to be at "high levels"


Belgium has had its credit rating downgraded by ratings agency Standard & Poor's.

The country's downgrade could make it more expensive for Belgium to borrow in future.

Belgium's rating was cut by one notch, to AA from AA+, with S&P expressing concerns about funding and market pressures.

The move comes as the eurozone crisis threatens to keep growing, and with continued concerns over Italian debt.

"We think the Belgian government's capacity to prevent an
increase in general government debt, which we consider to be already at
high levels, is being constrained by rapid private sector deleveraging
both in Belgium and among many of Belgium's key trading partners,"
S&P said in a statement.


It also said the outlook was "negative",
meaning Belgium's rating could possibly be cut further in future.


"We need a reply that is clear and credible
if we are to avoid the worst,"

Belgium's caretaker prime minister, Yves Leterme,
told
Belgian television after S&P's announcement.

_____________________________________________________________

Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant,
Prince of Belgium

(French: Philippe Léopold Louis Marie,
Dutch: Filip(s) Leopold Lodewijk Maria;
born 15 April 1960),
is the eldest son and heir apparent of
Albert II, King of the Belgians and Queen Paola.


House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha


The Duke of Brabant
at World Economic Forum in 2010

His godparents were his paternal grandfather,
King Leopold III of the Belgians,
and his maternal grandmother
Donna Luisa, Princess Ruffo di Calabria.

Spouse
Countess Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz
daughter of a Walloon Belgian noble family
and female line descendant of Polish noble families

such as the Princes Sapieha,
on 4 December 1999 in Brussels,
civilly at the Brussels Town Hall and
religiously at the Cathedral of Saint Michel in Brussels.


They have four children:

Prince Philippe was educated at the Belgian Royal Military School.
From 1978 to 1981 he continued his education
at Oxford University's Trinity College.
He attended Graduate School at Stanford University, California,
where he graduated in 1985 with an MA degree in Political Science.

Greater Coat of Arms of Belgium


Personal Standard of King Albert II.
Albert II
King of the Belgians

King Albert II and Queen Paola with
US President George W. Bush and First Lady Laura Bush
at the Royal Palace in Brussels in 2005.


King Albert II with Queen Paola,
and other royals and Heads of state,
at the funeral of Pope John Paul II.

________________________________________________________

Yves Leterme
Prime Minister of Belgium

Incumbent
Assumed office
25 November 2009
Monarch: Albert II

Private life and hobbies
Yves Leterme is known to be very fond of goats.

He breeds goats in his private time
in the small farm where he lives.

In November 2010 the Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad
had
some more news about Yves' favorite animals:
two of his favorite goats, named Trudy and Vicky,
were to appear in a play by the local theatre society of Ypres.
The play is called 'Island of the goats'.
In an interview Yves called goats "The poor man's cow."
_________________________________________________________________________


Ray:
Ken, I grew up in Dublin. I love Dublin.
If I grew up on a farm, and was retarded, Bruges might impress me
but I didn't, so it doesn't.


Ray:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have the good
sense not to... hang on.

Is Belgium with all those child abuse murders
lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.

What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.




Harry:
Not only have you refused to kill the boy,
you even stopped the boy from
killing himself,
which would've solved my problem,
which would've
solved your problem,
which sounds like it would've solved the boy's problem.
Ken:
It wouldn't have solved his problem.
Harry:
Ken, if I had killed a little kid, accidentally or otherwise,
I wouldn't have thought twice.
I'd killed myself on the fucking spot.
On the fucking spot.
I would've stuck the gun in me mouth.
On the fucking spot!


Ray:
Maybe that's what hell is,
the entire rest of eternity spent in fucking Bruges.



Belgian parties reach 2012 budget deal
by:By Roddy Thomson
From:
AAP
November 27, 2011 1:00AM

BELGIAN politicians reached a deal on the 2012 budget today,
ending a 19-month deadlock that had prevented the formation
of a stable government and led to a debt downgrade,
a negotiator said.

"There is an agreement," said a spokesman for the French-speaking socialists,
one of six parties in the linguistically-divided country
that had been struggling
to reconcile spending cuts with tax rises.


The accord, reached after 17 hours of negotiations, opens the way to
forming a new government
after 19 months in caretaker management.


Friday night's downgrade by ratings giant Standard and Poor's, which saw
Belgium drop by one notch to AA, piled pressure on the parties to
reconcile spending cuts with tax rises to avoid EU penalties next month.


Internal pressure, though, was at least matched by external strains among wider
eurozone leaders, two weeks from a crunch summit dogged by mounting doubts
over their ability to resolve the debt crisis.


Related Coverage
With a national debt worth almost one year's economic output, which
threatens to crush the country with the onset of recession, outgoing
Prime Minister Yves Leterme had made it clear he feared a rout

when markets reopen on Monday if a way forward was not agreed.


"It is blindingly obvious, we have to send a very clear signal... preferably
before the markets open,"
Mr Leterme had said in a live national
television interview before a shocked Belgian people.


The parties had to work out how to trim 11.3 billion euros ($15.58 billion)
off the deficit next year and about 20 billion euros ($27.58 billion) in all
by 2015.


The ultimatum came days after Mr Leterme's expected successor,
Elio Di Rupo, offered his resignation to Belgium's king,

frustrated at the failure of six-party talks to agree on a
deficit-cutting 2012 budget to avoid EU sanctions.


Albert II rejected the offer and sent Di Rupo back to work.


The ratings blow underlined a sharp escalation of the debt crisis
in a week in which even Germany struggled to raise finance.


Concern is growing that the euro currency, in the absence of
radical pan-eurozone action, is close to breaking point.


"The ability of authorities to respond to potential economic pressures from
inside and outside of Belgium... in our opinion is constrained by the
repeated failure of attempts to form a new government," the S&P
statement said.


After Greek, Portuguese and Irish bailouts, and
with Italy, Spain and France now under pressure,
it was more bad news for leaders struggling
in the absence of a European Central Bank
decision to mount a gigantic financial rescue.


The European Commission has repeatedly urged Belgium
to bring its public deficit below 3.0 per cent of GDP by 2012 -
or face a fine of about half a billion euros.


Finance Minister Didier Reynders blamed the downgrade on a
"global loss of confidence" in eurozone public finances,
while insisting that Belgium's creditworthiness remained
"one of the strongest in Europe".


Analysts said the news had wider significance.

"Belgium is the symbolic buffer
between the eurozone periphery and its core,
so this is a sign that the crisis -
slowly, but surely -

is striking at the heart of Europe,"

Sony Kapoor, head of the Re-Define think tank, told AFP.
___________________________________________________

Tourist killed, 3 kidnapped in Mali
by:By Baba Ahmed in Bamako
From:
AP
November 26, 2011
6:58AM

GUNMEN burst into a restaurant
in Mali's most famous city of Timbuktu overnight,
grabbed four tourists dining there and executed one
when he refused to climb into their truck,
said a witness and an official who inspected the body.


The armed men entered the Amanar restaurant around 2.30pm on Friday
local time and pointed their guns at four tourists dining inside, said
Moussa Boubacar, a client at the restaurant.

The four followed the gunmen outside, but when the gunmen tried to
make them enter a vehicle, one of the tourists refused, Boubacar said.

The kidnappers opened fire, killing him on the spot, Boubacar said.

Their nationalities could not immediately be confirmed,
but witnesses describe them as European.

Dramane Diallo, the regional director of Timbuktu's civil protection division,
said that he rushed to the scene and found the corpse of an elderly white man,
who locals said was the tourist that had refused to enter the car.

Related Coverage
Until a few years ago, Timbuktu was one of the most visited
destinations in Africa, but it is now one of the many former tourist
hotspots in Mali that have been deemed too dangerous to visit by foreign
embassies because of kidnappings by the local chapter of al-Qaeda.


The incident overnight comes after two French citizens were grabbed
in the middle of the night
from their hotel
in the Malian town of Hombori
on Thursday.


Neither kidnapping has yet been claimed by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,
or AQIM, whose members
have kidnapped and ransomed over 50 Europeans and
Canadians since 2003.


If Friday's kidnapping is by AQIM, it will mark the first time they have taken
a hostage inside of Timbuktu's city limits. Thursday's kidnapping would be
another first - the first time they have grabbed their victim south of the Niger River.

The group's footprint has grown dramatically since 2006, when the Algerian-led cell
first joined al-Qaeda. Security experts estimate the group has been able to raise around $US130 million ($134.04 million) from ransom payments alone.

The extent of the Mali Empire's peak



"One people, one goal, one faith"

An estimated 90% of Malians are Muslim
(mostly Sunni and Sufi),

approximately 5% are Christian
(about two-thirds Roman Catholic and one-third Protestant)
and the remaining 5% adhere to
indigenous or traditional animist beliefs.

Atheism and agnosticism are believed to be rare among Malians,
most of whom practice their religion on a daily basis.


TWITTERING IDIOTS!!!

'China down'
Jon Huntsman said to "take China down"

Jon Huntsman : Take China down.

Huntsman, former US Ambassador to China,
made following comments in candidate debate :

......

So what should we be doing?
We should be reaching out to OUR ALLIES and
CONSTITUENCIES WITHIN CHINA.

They're called the young people.
They're called the internet generation.
There are 500 million internet users in China.
And 80 million bloggers.
And they are bringing about change,
the likes of which is gonna TAKE CHINA DOWN.
While we have an opportunity
to go up and win back
our economic manufacturing muscles.
Rolling Eyes
Huntsman, China
____________________________________________

Paul Twomey
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Paul Twomey 2007


Paul Twomey
was the Chief Executive Officer and President of the
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN) from March 2003 to June 2009.
ICANN is the chief rule-making body
for internet policy worldwide.


Following a private-sector role as
a consultant for McKinsey & Company,
Dr Twomey held executive positions
within the Australian Government's
foreign trade organisation Austrade.

His role there included working on
strategic development and European markets.


He was appointed Chief Executive Officer of the
National Office for the Information Economy
(NOIE) in 1997,

a Commonwealth Government unit
responsible for developing Internet policy.


His involvement with ICANN began at this time.
Subsequently he chaired the ICANN
Government Advisory Committee,[1]
which served as the organisation's
liaison with world governments.


Following his departure from NOIE,
Dr Twomey created a consultancy
with Ira Magaziner
(Domestic Policy Adviser
to former US President Bill Clinton)
called Argo P@cific.[2]


He continued to serve on the ICANN GAC until November 2002,
through an ongoing posting as external advisor to
Australia's Commonwealth Government.


Dr Twomey is a member of the
British-North American Committee.


He also serves on the board of directors of the
Atlantic Council of the United States
and chairs the World Economic Forum's
Global Agenda Council on the Future of the Internet.


He holds a Bachelor of Arts degree from University of Queensland,
a Master of Arts from Pennsylvania State University
and a PhD from Cambridge University.


On 27 March 2003 he was elected to his current position at ICANN.

On 2 March 2009, during the opening ceremony of
ICANN's 34th international meeting in Mexico City,
Dr Twomey mentioned that he would be leaving ICANN in June
while remaining as Senior President until the end of the year.
[3]

His name has recently been mentioned in relation to
the Commonwealth Government's proposed
National Broadband Network.

true lilly wrote:'Not a matter of if, but when we find you'



HUNDREDS of tax dodgers caught and convicted
as the ATO warns:
"if you do the crime, you will face the consequences".
Vatican checked in laundering probe
From:AFP
November 27, 2011
3:19AM
Vatican probe:
The Vatican has been assessed to determine if it has tightened its regulations
to prevent money laundering.

Picture: Supplied Source: Supplied


COUNCIL of Europe inspectors have visited the Vatican to monitor its plans to tighten money laundering regulations.

The group from the Moneyval committee "met with representatives of
Vatican authorities dealing with the issue of prevention and fight
against money laundering and terrorist financing," a statement from the
Vatican said.


The group, composed of legal, financial and law enforcement experts
from five countries, arrived on Monday and left overnight, the statement said.


They are expected to present a report with their findings at a plenary session
of Moneyval "presumably in the middle of 2012," the Vatican said.


Pope Benedict XVI last December created a new financial authority
following an embarrassing investigation of Vatican bank officials by Italy.


The Vatican also approved a law from April
imposing sentences of up to
12 years in prison for money laundering
and 15 years for terrorist financing.


Related Coverage
In September last year,
Italian authorities launched an investigation into
and seized assets linked to
the Institute for Religious Works (IOR) -
the official name of the Vatican bank -
for alleged violation of money-laundering
rules.


The Vatican has also been excluded from an international "white list"
of countries compliant with strict financial controls.

The new financial authority is aimed at
bringing the Holy See in line with new global standards.
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Post  sharky on Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:56 pm

el kabong wrote:Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland







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This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche? wave

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia. thinking hmm wave



http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
noway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

thinking hmm noway

Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.


A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.



cheese

H boobies

Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?
noway



Volcanoes and Earthquakes.




Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html


Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat wave and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)
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Post  true lilly on Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:09 pm

Morocco Islamists win landmark election
by:By Henri Mamarbachi
From:
AFP
November 27, 2011

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Morocco Islamists win landmark election

Morocco's moderate Islamists have won the most seats
in a landmark parliamentary election.


MOROCCO'S moderate
Islamists have won the most seats in a landmark
parliamentary election,
the latest
religious party to achieve
spectacular gains on the back of

the Arab Spring.

The Justice and Development Party (PJD) captured 80 seats in the
395-seat assembly,
nearly double the 45 seats won by Prime Minister
Abbas el Fassi's Indpendence Party,
Interior Minister Taib Cherkaoui
told a news conference on Saturday.


The win - the first parliamentary poll victory for the party -
comes just one month after
Islamists
won Tunisia's post-revolution election and
days before their
predicted surge in Egyptian polls.

According to the new constitution overwhelmingly approved in a July referendum,
King Mohammed VI must now pick the prime minister from the party which won
the most seats in parliament, instead of naming whomever he pleases.


The king, the latest scion of a monarchy that has ruled the country for
350 years, proposed changes to the constitution that curb some of his
near absolute powers as autocratic regimes toppled in nearby Tunisia,
Egypt,
and Libya.


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Earlier on Saturday top PJD officials said their own figures showed
they had won over 100 seats in Friday's polls, the first since the
approval of the new constitution.


"We thank the Moroccans who voted for the PJD and we can only be satisfied,"
PJD secretary general Abdelilah Benkirane told reporters after the government
confirmed his party had won the most seats in the election.


He acknowledged his party would have to tailor its program to appease prospective
coalition partners and said
the PJD is "open to everyone" when it comes to forming alliances
.


"The nub of our program and of those who
will govern with us
will have a double axis
,
democracy and good governance," he told the France 24 television channel.


"From now on, Moroccans will feel that the state is at their service
and not the other way about," Benkirane added.
"That is very important for us."


The PJD has gradually increased its share of the vote in Morocco,
seen as one of the most stable countries in the region.


After winning just eight seats in 1997, it surged in popularity,
scooping 42 seats in the 2002 election, the first of King Mohammed VI's reign.

It then increased its share in the last election in 2007
when it finished second with 47 seats.


The party focused at first on
social issues, such as
opposition to summer music festivals and the sale of alcohol,
but has shifted to issues with broader voter appeal like the
fight against corruption and high unemployment.


During the current campaign it promised to cut poverty in half and raise the
minimum wage by 50 per cent.


Unlike the banned Islamist opposition group Justice and Charity,
the Justice and Development Party pledges its allegiance to the monarchy.


But Benkirane
cuts a controversial figure for previously
derogatory comments about Berber people and homosexuals.


In 2010 he tried to ban a concert in Morocco
by the openly gay singer Elton John
because of fears of
encouraging homosexuality.


The National Rally of Independents, the second-largest party in the
outgoing five-party government coalition, won 38 seats,
while the Party of Authenticity and Modernity,
founded in 2008 by people close to the king, got 33 seats.


So far only the Independence Party has said
it would be willing to govern with the Justice and Development Party.


The king proposed a new constitution on March 9, just 17 days after
thousands of people took to the streets across Morocco calling on him
to give up some of his powers in the biggest anti-establishment
protests in the country in decades.


Morocco's pro-reform February 20 protest movement, responsible for the protests,
had called on voters to boycott the elections. It says the constitutional reforms are
insufficient.


Voter turnout was 45.4 per cent, up from 37 per cent
from the last parliamentary election in 2007, but lower than the 51.6
per cent turnout recorded in 2002.


"This turnout, if confirmed, does not reflect enthusiasm for
the new constitution or political parties,
"
said Haizam Amirah Fernandez, senior analyst for the Arab world
at Spanish think tank Real Instituto Elcano.


In all, 31 parties competed for the 395 seats in the lower house of parliament -
with 60 seats reserved for women
and 30 set aside for candidates under the age of 40.

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Re: David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA

Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:54 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:http://hpanwoforum.freeforums.org/why-no-reviews-of-david-icke-preaching-in-melbourne-oct-2011-t2123-30.html

David Vincent wrote:
true lilly wrote:Seems 'some' need a little more context to understand
the great hole 'they' have dug 'themselves' into...with a lot
of 'help' from 'their' 'friends'.

Re: IT BEGINS....
http://sodlikeproductions.motion-forum.net/t1612p15-it-begins#26452
Post true lilly Today at 12:17 am


ROFLMAO rolf rolf rolf rolf

And the best part about that thread,is your "second death" that you threaten others with and boast about,isn't Judaic Old Testament,the thieves that they were,but based on The Mystery Schools of Egypt.

So you subscribe,to the very thing you hate

it's all...From Out Of Egypt....LULZ

Welcome to the family Suzy Ryan,take good care of you now.
Razz Very Happy


You spam,so shall I...

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
And, "you" are NOTHING.



Sure about that?!?!?!?!

Billy Ruben wrote:Do the right thing and seek not recognition for those deeds,it will be noted as a spiritual aspect for after death,then,maybe a fruiter like you can keep something of themselves as the ego layer is stripped away and fed to MAAT the reptilian,leaving you as a clear virgin shell of consciousness and soul.Have a nice day...

thumbs down



The lies,slander,conspiracies,the games,the cruelty you have displayed to people and animals...you think there's something worth of you sparing...I already know you're the walking dead,like 90% of the human trash that filth this planet.I just vainly try and warn those,what the real second death is....The joke's on you,Suzy Ryan,Gods Anointed Spammer...

wacky dizzy

Ammut (aka Ammit, Ammet, Amemet)

She waited in the throne room often hidden as the judges of the Egyptian dead weighed the hearts of the deceased. Evil folk's hearts would become her next snack. Their souls were the main course. This was a second death, as being barred from the afterlife the soul was doomed to wander forever over the earth. Ammut is part lioness, hippo, and crocodile. She is also called the Bone Eater and Devourer of Millions. She is a most holy being as she alone could thusly bar the evil from entering the afterlife.




sonic

Ahhh,excellent insights there Mr Ruben,if I say so myself,would'nt you agree True Lilly,you do,but you just don't realise it...

lol! popcorn


Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
True Lilly wrote:
And there's 'Billy Ruben' with 'his'
months of death threats that specify such methods,
and associating himself with bad cops, health unionists,
biker groups, and really bad dudes...which you would right off,
as an attention seeking nutter...but for the at least
3 different phones 'he' uses, and, the others who know of,
and approve of 'his' death threats
, and the very specific
associations 'he' brags of, that make 'him' believe
'he's' 'untouchable'
enough to keep getting away with it.

...and then of course, there are
the 2 Car Bombs I've already survived...
and the other attacks by really bad dudes, etc...

and 'Jason/Billy Ruben's' dangerously erratic and
volatile behaviour that makes 'him' a liability to
'friends', 'associates' and
anyone 'he' 'perceives'
as a 'foe'.
Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes


We've all been through this.
Two months ago,when I got sick of True Lillys',baseless,groundless,slander and lies,against everyone whom she finds dis-pleasure with,ie,anybody who does'nt unquestioning believe,who littany of lies.
Frustrated to the point of doing something stupid,I decided to take my chances with Ballarat Police,close to where Suzy lives,she being the "BUM" part of town,Wendouree West,known for its bakeries and cock gobbling glory holes of Hollioke Park.
...I have the phone bill here to prove I rang on a Saturday.
Anyway,not expecting to get anywhere,especially,if I gave away my relationship with NSW Police,to be rather strained at best.
I was surprised to have my queries answered by a very professional and seasoned officer,who knew the law and history of Victoria and Ballarat.
...After describing my complaint,being accused as a babyfucker and goat abuser and so has many others by this nutter.I mentioned Suzy's ex-husband,Bill Ryan,a serving member?,remember,this is Suzy data,it could be made up at the bottom of a Gin bottle.

BAck in a minute...
The officer then took an interest and began looking for this Bill Ryan.I said to the officer,she'd be easy to remember,her car was blown up by bombing in her driveway and herself has been beaten up twice and put in a hospital.I could hear the keyboard,thumping away in the background,he's researching the data as I speak.He had a chuckle and said,there has'nt been a car-bombing in the state of Victoria for 30 years and that was the Russell St bombing.
...The officer,whose name I'll keep secret until Suzy Ryan,True Lilly/Vera Susa wants to reveal more or challenge this,said she can't be charged the way the laws stand now,but that may differ in the near future.

That sad little tale,that Suzy Ryan/True Lilly made up,lied about,she has been milking the public and friends for years,whether it's money,computers or a lift down the street,True Lilly has been profiting off her lies for many years now,off the good will of her readers.
She continues with her lies,cause they serve her well.I exposed her for this and hopefully,slowly,others catch on.She even plays this on her own family,and she abandoned them,in favour of delivering Gods Saving Word,her schizoid spam,even over the love of her children.Still think she's not a threat,guess again,she's a dangerous,manipulative,game-playing,conspiring schizoid,who fooled many of you with her old lady act.
She isn't nice,frail or alone.She's very well connected.She's a liar,slanderer,extortionist,is this the quality of character,that one should have to advocate God for you?
Nutter extraordinaire...But wait,there's more,WOOF,WOOF...


rolling pin dogshag butt Razz

Now see her above post,it still contains the lies that she's trying to utilize to build another fantasy,completely crackers,but then again,it's the only game she has in town,as the management said,it's what she does,well,I don't have to tolerate it,her or her lying crap.

Billy Ruben wrote:...But I suppose you all knew that,stupid bint,could'nt get any interest and spread rumours about dogfuckers and babyrapers...where it was probably an uncle or step dad who tricked her out.Anyway,I'd love to see the evidence where she tries to extort the forum for money...pathetic she is,anyway,it's a war and it's grizzley,sorry about this to human eyes,but it's the way it is...
She tried extorting Tintin too,everything she accuses one of,believe me,it's the opposite...she's a true lowlife,see it in the street,don't hit it,don't pity it,expectorate on it...in other words,hawk it right back and spit it heavy in her face,that's what I intend on doing...



Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Anyone of unfounded crimes and atrocities ever again I swear,I'll pursue you to the ends of the Earth,your God,will not protect you...

How dare you,pick on someone that can't even defend themselves.
Do you know how much hurt and pain your stupid little game does,how does mine back to you feel? Get it,myopic slag???
Ozpixie would never be what you accuse her off.

Quote: I Am

Jase,

I would not even show this to ozpixie as I know how much it would upset her and trust me, she does not need this sort of disgusting accusation in her life.

I have been slated by the best of them but really don’t give a toss. I know who I am and my friends and family know who I am.. I have been around long enough that it is water off a duck’s back.

Oz on the other hand is a very sweet lady who is not all that savvy to the hatred spread on the net.

I cannot give you too much information but I can assure you she is not the person true lilly believes she is. Her name is not Christine and she has never met or had any contact with lilly. She is not only not from Ballarat, She is not even from the same state.


How's that for showing what little you really know,eh? But still quite prepared to vomit your bullshit.You got no credibility and you make the Anti-Icke movement look cold and hate-filled with no warrant to be...and for that

I THANK YOU

ANYWAY,YOU'RE NOT GETTING LET OFF,WHILST YOU STILL USE GENERAL FORUM,i WILL HAUNT YOU,BACK IN YOUR DUNGEON DRAGON...AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE,ACCUSE ANYBODY OF ANY SEXUAL CRIME AND I WILL TAUNT AND HAUNT YOU MORE...

THIS WILL NOT END,I WILL AWAIT YOU AND DESTROY EVERY SYLLABLE YOU DARE UTTER IN FUTURE...F*CK YOU,IS THE ORDER FOR EVERYDAY,DRAGON...

cthulhu cthulhu

Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Billy Ruben wrote:ANSWER ME YOU GOD WHORE,WHY ACCUSE SOMEONE MEEK AND MILD OF AN ATROCITY THAT SHE COULD'NT EVEN READ ABOUT,LET ALONE PERFORM,WITH NO EVIDENCE AS USUAL,BUT YOU SEEM PRE-OCCUPIED WITH THIS SUBJECT,AND NAMED OZPIXIE WRONG,BUT STILL PERSIST,WHY SPREAD VICIOUS LIES AND RUMOURS,JUST SO PEOPLE WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF YOUR POST,BITCH!!!
I ALSO NOTICED YOU NEVER MENTIONED CIGGY AND I FOR MONTHS,UNTIL YOU FOUND I WAS POSTING AT HPANWO...WAS THIS THE BIGGEST BUNGLE YOU AND YOUR ILK MADE,I KNOW SO,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,F*CK YOU....
ALL THIS JUST TO RAISE YOUR READERSHIP...IF YOU WERE'NT SUCH A SPASTIC,YOU'D STILL BE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE,THE DAVID ICKE FORUMS...NER,NER,NER,NER


rolf rolf rolf rolf

Razz Razz Razz Razz

pig pig pig pig

tongue tongue tongue tongue

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:I just sent Alison (I am) an email of this thread with your accusations about Ozpixie.As long as it don't go against their non-disclosure agreement,I asked her to inform Christine of this thread and to please give me information why True Lilly,(mental basket case spastic bitch),why would one of Gods' anointed would make such a claim?

I also asked for information about you madam...not where you live,but what you've done to others and the games and back-stabbing you involve yourself with,thankyou Lulzy for admitting this,it was arsehole game players is why I left DIF in the end,but I might just re-activate my account...and keep a low profile...the rant room is too tempting....And you know why arsehole???I'll rant every thread you've done,lost in the bowels of the rant room...Then,I'll ask Ozpixie to take you to court over your accusations,by using the police,(they'll help her...then when it's thrown out of court cause we just found out you're a registered mental patient...a real one!!!...then I will be ever so sorry I spoke ill to you...and forgive you for your harassment and games you play...if not,you're gonna look stupid,at any rate...and if Ozpixie does cough up...and reveals your lies and games the same as everyone else asserts,then your readers,must be as mental and fucked in the head as you...have a nice day.

and just to let the discerning reader know...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Mental Patient,since you assert that you can answer questions,without spam I hope,...

What justifies you calling Christine/Ozpixie a goat fucker and that she makes men do it for bribery purposes???

Would you not consider that the men would rather f*ck Ozpixie than goats...but the possibilty is,that the men might rather f*ck a goat than some broken shrunken imp of a person such as yourself???

Why do you always label people goat,dog/fuckers,peadophiles?I have,but they and I know the truth of it...Even proved a few things that go on deaf ears.

You're sick Suzy,real sick...if you get sanctioned in a mental home,I'll forgive you,but you're on the street being a danger to yourself and everybody else...I can con a mental health team Suzy,5 minute chat with you,they'll never let you out,they hate God botherers the most in psyche-wards,drug the absolute crap out of them...


Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:

So,where is the sex/porn spam,do you still think beastiality is natural sex???You see,Lilly,it's about interpretations,what you view as natural and loving,the law of the land regards as perverse and criminal...but in danger of giving the judge an erection
...and your 'double speak' is so weak and transparent...could it be that
you are the local horse rapist that the judges keep letting off...
true lilly wrote:sadly, some 'sick puppies' are so sick, a bullet's their only 'cure'... ...
... or you could simply 'you' 'ninny' 'billy' goat shagger's...

...umm, so 'you' do 'know' Christine in your satanic biblical sense, that local
animal raping ex-copper's witch...
...she couldn't get enough of making men fcuk goats...them blackmailing them...
...to stay in her sick death circles forever...I did warn people about her, years ago,
back in the ATS days...mind you, she and her ilk are a dime a dozen cheap slags...
...I'm sure you can find another if she's no longer available...now go, to
your own kind...I can't even pity you...


Are you kidding...No,this comes from the lips of True Lilly,it's all batshit...

Lilly,stop telling lies and no,I don't know Christine/OzPixie...Imagine that eh?David Icke Forum Moderators are either Illuminati Shills like Dark Eternal or goat fucking satanist like OzPixie,cause True Lilly tells me so...

No Lilly,I don't think they'll let you back on DIF....EVER.


DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN TRUE LILLY,EVERYONE YOU TAKE A DISLIKE TOO,IS PAINTED A GOATFUCKER,BABYFUCKER OR SOMETHING ELSE.YOU HAVE ISSUES IN THIS AREA,AND IT'S ALL TO DO WITH YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOURSELF.IF YOU WERE MADE TO DO THINGS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG,IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT,IF YOU INSTIGATED IT,THEN GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON...YOU POINT THE FINGER SUZY,BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED YOU OUT,READ YOUR PM ABOUT YOUR FAMILY...


Billy Ruben wrote:This is not such a bad way to go actually,my way,I would've destroyed you,but the fall-out for me would be just as bad...this way,we can deal with the FACTS as you've claimed...

Once you have no credibilty,you can post spam to the wall,cause there is no-way anyone will believe you...Hey,how come you have'nt called in the cavalry??? (hOrSeY-Palomino)...when it gets out of control you usually sink to every method that you accuse David Icke and Tintin of...
Gang-stalking,harassment,etc...when the dust settles,was that one little lie that kicked this all off a year ago,...Was it All Worth It?

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Nothing 'private' about this, 'you' 'ninny nong'...

So, which is it?
"Billy Ruben" makes a serious threat, or, he's all lying talk?


From Billy Ruben To true lilly, Today at 4:28 pm
____________________________________________________________________

true lilly wrote:
So, you still haven't figured out why the smarter ones hand-balled you this:
"Keep pushing and I'll destroy you good and proper.", job.
_____________________________________________________________________

quote:Billy Ruben


your a goner mate...
_____________________________________________________________________

Either way...'you & Ciggy' simply shouldn't have spammed, my one thread,
with 'you & Ciggy's' endless public 'conversations' about 'you & Ciggy's'
'beliefs' on when a child is too young or too related to lust after
, and then
stepped up 'your' phone and on line harassment, when I asked 'you', again,
to remove that, utterly sick, way off topic, 'conversation' of 'yours',
from my thread, that was 'chopped up' to have 'those conversations'
of 'you & Ciggy', head and end the pages, as if it where my topic...and then cry,
rant, libel, make endless personal threats and try to sound like 'you'
AND 'your' supportive ASSOCIATES are 'good guys'.


Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.

this is what I mean't you're a goner,you think I'd martyr you...hehehehe,that's how you think,idiot,no,a living permanenet death...I destroyed every credible shred you ever had or beLIEved you had.

This is what I am had to say,the truth...you're a disgusting spiteful shitbag of a person Suzy Ryan...if I get a chance,I'll f*ck you over in court
...Alison won't even show Ozpixie your stuff and I don't blame her,Ozpixie to me was like an Aussie Antiem,a very nice young lady,but Antiem shocked me with her strengths,I always thought Ozpixie was a little softy,like Curtain Cat,very lovely girls...You spiteful stale withered shitbag of a woman,I HATE you properly now...and have no shame in how I treat you,exactly how I treat demons,what I say to them,made them weep...you I will break...I am an old demon in transition,anything that tries stopping me in future,I'll swat,as I do to roaches...





the only thing being threatened is what little credibilty you think you had...call the police,go on,dare you,send your bald headed mate up,I'm in pretty good shape compared to yesterday.F*CK YOU!!!

sucked in...you make me ill...


True Lilly,puts her foot in it:
Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.


Thankyou Suzy,that's exactly what I said,spam a True Lilly shitbox thread to make it interesting and you get painted as a child molester...exactly what I've been saying.

The only disappointing aspect,is you're proving me dead-on with no effort needed,this is all to easy...


THIS SUPER-SPAM CAN BE ALOT OF FUN AND ANNOYANCE,THANKYOU TRUE LILLY,FOR INTIATING ME IN THE SCHOOL OF SECRET ARTS...


Billy Ruben wrote:yeah,we remember the car-bombing,you lied and bullshitted about that one too...and sent us a pic of some woman walking a dog as proof,yeah,credible honest god fearing suzy fuckwit ryan...

Billy Ruben wrote:NOW THAT YOU SLYLY ADMIT YOU'RE TORTURING THOSE CATS IN YOUR YARD,LIKE I ALWAYS SUSPECT A PATHETIC SLAG LIKE YOU TO DO,JUST TO UPSET ME,WELL F*CK YOU SUZY RYAN,A CAT'S LIFE IS WORTH MORE THAN A 1000 OF YOURS,I DON'T CARE WHO SEES THIS OR DISGUSTED WITH ME OR EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT,BUT I SWEAR,I'LL CATCH UP WITH YOU AND TEACH YOU WHAT PAIN IS...I SPENT 4 HOURS ON THE NET,LAST NIGHT USING THE WHITE PAGES,BITCH LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A REGISTERED ADDRESS ON A NORMAL PHONE LINE,SO YEAH,I' NOT TAKING YOUR SHIT THIS TIME...FUCKING DIE BITCH...

GINGER AND WHITE CATS I LOVE AND ADORE,I WAS LAST YEAR,GOING TO DRIVE THERE JUST TO TAKE ONE OR TWO OFF YOUR HANDS...BUT F*CK YOU...YOU DEAD TO ME...

cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu


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Re: David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA

Post  true lilly on Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:02 am

These...ah, bugger it, figure it out for yourselves.
I did, and I'm no insider, I have no connections,
only God's Word and a hunger and thirst for
True Justice.




STAR IN THE EAST


Vladimir Ashkenazy
and the Sydney Symphony Orchestra
wow them in Seoul.




IN GOD HE TRUSTS


Denver quarterback Tim Tebow
is set to become the most controversial
sportsman in the US.




GLACIAL CHILL


Computer modelling
does not reflect
the complexities of ice sheets.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

Yep, "tintin" "Them", Icke,
ALL CONNECTED,
LIKE "Billy Ruben's" DESPERATE
27 SPAMMED THREADS of many MORE
SPAMMED POSTS within minutes,
trying to bury what's...well, too late....


Seems 'some' need a little more context to understand
the great hole 'they' have dug 'themselves' into...with a lot
of 'help' from 'their' 'friends'.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/im-a-victim-of-the-age-not-alp-claire-watson/story-fn7x8me2-1226224659628

Grollo's hacking concerns


James Campbell
DANIEL Grollo has questioned the actions of The Age
in
searching his family's details
on a confidential Labor Party database.


Student jailed over sex stabbing frenzy


1:31PM Norrie Ross
A STUDENT inflicted 123 stab wounds
on a man he met on a gay dating site
after asking him "did you ever think of dying?", judge says.

Social media led to man's death - judge


Mark Dunn
A KILLER has been sentenced to 21 years jail
for murdering his uncle
after he posted his intentions to kill
online and via text messages.


The Age wins injunction against probe

10:51AM Padraic Murphy
UPDATE 8.30pm:
THE Age has obtained an injunction to stop police officers
seizing
equipment, believed to include computers.


Evil cyber predator to learn fate

5:30PM Anthony Dowsley
ONE of Australia's worst cyber criminals
will be sentenced tomorrow for raping,
stalking and grooming vulnerable girls.



Time Magazine has named "The Protester"
Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

‘MUST SPEAK ENGLISH’ LAW IS NOT RACIST

In a High Court review Mr Justice Beatson dismissed the case

Saturday December 17,2011

By Anil Dawar

A LAW forcing immigrant spouses to speak English before entering Britain
was ruled legitimate yesterday.


Three claimants tried to get the rule overturned, arguing it
interfered with their right to a married life and was racist and discriminatory.


But in a High Court review Mr Justice Beatson dismissed the case, saying
the rule is rational and that even if it does affect married couple’s
lives, it does not override Britain’s right to protect its interests.


Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch UK said:
“Perhaps we are seeing the dawn of common sense in these immigration cases.”


And Ukip MEP Gerard Batten called the ruling a rare “victory for common sense”.


One of the claimants was British-born Rashida Chapti, 54, whose Indian
husband of 37 years and father of her six children cannot join her in
Leicester because he cannot speak English. She said she plans to appeal.


The other claimants are a couple from Pakistan and another from the Yemen.

Perhaps we are seeing the dawn of common sense
in these immigration cases.


Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch UK

The Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants said:
“In countries experiencing conflict, poverty, natural disasters,
and political instability, it can be difficult to acquire linguistic skills
prior to arrival in the UK.”


The judicial review was conducted in Birmingham.


Dutch Abuse Thousands Of Children
Institutional Dutch abuse 'affected thousands'

sarius wrote:
The report also estimates that one in 10 Dutch children have
suffered some form of abuse
,
rising to one in five among those who had attended an institution - regardless of whether it was Catholic.


I think someone should
investigate the Dutch first of all. 1 in 5 wtf?
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=194031

...and when "they" say 'Catholic' "they" KNOW the world 'thinks' Christian,
whereas I've STRESSED again and again, that there ARE GOOD and bad
IN ALL, including, THANK GOD, MANY GOOD, AND REPENTANT among 'the bad',
as PROVEN by how many of the 'well hidden' EVIL, ARE BEING REVEALED.


112 arrested in online child porn bust
by:From correspondents in The Hague
From:AFP

December 16, 2011
10:38PM


POLICE in 22 European countries have arrested 112 suspects for
allegedly sharing online videos of children being sexually abused and
raped, policing agency Europol says.

"So far in 22 countries we have identified 269 suspects with 112
arrests", Europol's director Rob Wainwright said at a press conference
at Europol's headquarters in The Hague today.


"The operation targeted those sharing
the most extreme forms of video material,
which included

babies and toddlers
being sexually abused and raped
,"
he said.

"A lot of the material seized during the house searches is awaiting
forensic examination in order to support follow-up investigations and
possible prosecution of offenders," he said.


In March, police in several countries arrested scores of alleged
members of an online paedophile ring and rescued 230 children
in what Europol called at the time "the biggest case of its kind"
in a network that at one point had almost

70,000 members worldwide.
David Icke's Official Forums Statistics
Threads: 176,747, Posts: 3,363,214,
Members: 64,804


...yeah, I'm not 'playing' anymore...unlike "Billy Ruben" STILL PLAYING IN FILTH,
STILL TEXTING ME to "notice HIM/THEM", long ago tagged, and let loose to lead
JUSTICE to "THEIR" lairs...


...I played The Song of Redemption long enough...
...time to dance to the demise of the irredeemable...


oh dear, now they have removed "Join DATES",
leaving ONLY 'A' Month...all the easier to RE-write
"history"...

...and yet STILL NO REVIEWS of D.ICKe in MELBOURNE,
in 2011...
...bits posted, AFTER end of Oct. 2011
(when D.ICKe wa supposed to have been and GONE)
OF D.ICKe'S 2009 "show"...lots BEFORE Oct. 2011,
SPRUIKING D.ICKe'S 2011 "shows"...


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http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=189613
07-11-2011, 08:02 PM


Icke in NZ :-)


It was grate event in Auckland! Thank you David - just about couldnt
believe how much energy you have! and the best of it all there were
people from young to old from all background - quite a few scientists :-)

...so how do 'they' KNOW THE BACKGROUND of the audience...
...and WHAT RIGHT do 'they' have, to KNOW and BOAST?
Was giving away personal details and permission to ABuse it,
part of/THE PURPOSE of GATHERING FOLLOWERS?


STILL NOTHING, and as expected, treated as a NON-Issue at HPANWO,
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
(but of course, "they" do find it important to attack me for asking Rolling Eyes )
like everywhere else, that is full of those who, while claiming to be,
"Anti-Icke" are heavily invested in selling the New Age Religious Garbage,
that David Icke spruiks.


What IS CLEAR to anyone who reads with basic comprehension, is:

"Sheeba" is a "Saffie cross", USED as a "poster child" FOR THE RSPCA
to GET OTHER PEOPLES MONEY, that PAID FOR her care,
BEFORE she was re-homed, in good health.

"POPPY" is my DEERHOUND, who I BOUGHT "IN THAT CONDITION"
and FUNDED HER RECOVERY, and DO ALL THE WORK MYSELF.
Others think POPPY IS IN "GREAT CONDITION" now.
I know she still has far to go, before she's all she could be.

And, "you" are NOTHING.

...and if people still wonder why the On Line "community",
PARTICULARLY those who peddle
Ickest Type/New Age/OLD LIE RELIGIONS,

THE MOST CRUEL and EVIL of people who FORCE Feed the wold
BITTER WORMWOOD,
work so hard at "demonising" those of us
who THANK GOD for surviving "them",
BY CARING FOR THE SMALL, WEAK, VOICELESS and POWERLESS,
AND WITNESSING,
THE REAL LIFE SAVING GRACE of GOD, that feeds The Spirit with
The SWEET JOYS of LIFE...


true lilly wrote:Nanny state rules drive us mad

Alex White
ANIMAL owners, charities
and even the Scouts
have become the target
of wacky council bylaws
and ratepayers
have had enough.

Wink
To quote "tintin", it's all connected".
To quote "tintin", "it's all connected".

Wild dogs fear on missing jail chief


Jon Kaila
POLICE are unlikely to find missing
prison governor David Prideaux
because his remains may have
been disturbed by wild dogs.

Horsin' around on the Howqua


A BIT of horseplay in the beautiful
Howqua River seemed the perfect
way for Riddells Creek's Jessica
Mansas to spend a day in the High
Country.

Horsin' around on the Howqua
From:Sunday Herald Sun
December 18, 2011
12:00AM

Jessica Mansas from Riddells Creek rides Lancaster across the Howqua. Picture: Zoe Phillips Sunday Herald Sun

A BIT of horseplay in the beautiful Howqua River seemed the perfect
way for Riddells Creek's Jessica Mansas to spend a day in the High
Country.

Ms Mansas, 22, and her horse, Lancaster, frollicked in the icy waters of the Howqua
and she said: "It was the first time I've taken him up there and he took to it like
a real bush pony."
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Post  Billy Ruben on Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:56 pm

You want a bloody fuckin’ spam war,I’ll give you a spam war,Biatch,laughing at you.

Billy Ruben wrote:

And the purpose of this spam,what to highlight your obsessive compulsiveness to bump your own threads,WOW!!!!,Suzy Ryan,you're just amazing.

So,how come the last two months of spammed links,that say absolutely nothing,without any replies from others,have a readership,less than ten views,all of which are yours?
Hmmmmmmmm,you see,regardless that you despise me,you rely on folks like me to help your readership.That's why I was ignoring you tonight,which drove you crazy,then you lied and here's the result of your actions.




You make me hard...



Quick,look over your shoulder,it's the David Vincent monster,Rawrrrrrrrrrr!!!!


Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote: Still not a shred of evidence,
but another string of very badly timed lies... Rolling Eyes
...to what, 'give cred.' to "his" 'word'???

So,what was it like getting banned at HPANWO.I was besides myself laughing,knowing you'll never be able to leave here and spread your wings.And to see Handbag get riled up about you,when only a month before you joined he said you were more than welcome at HPANWO...But I knew better.

Just you pride yourself on the internet,Mmmmm,your god doesn't like pride.You should learn to be a good God Spammer,not an evil one.
It's a novelty having you at Sodlike,but under my rule,you'll do as exactly as you're told.And I LOVE the thought of that...I could really FAP to it.

Hmmm,Novelty,watcha ya gonna do when the novelty is gone....Ian Curtis again.



Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:

I must say though Suzy Ryan,if it wasn't for you,I wouldn't know how to use half the functions here,or learn the new art of SPAM.You never know,this lunatic fringe could be marketed for alot of money and find a nice niche for mental patients to have fun with,we'll see,when I take over this place and make it a true menagerie for the twisted,just like you.


Billy Ruben wrote:

blowjob time,back in 40....
Still nothing.

well,I'm a bit of a stayer....and it's been a long 48 hours since my last one.Oh,you were saying,oh,that's right.

Now you raised a lie I must confront.
David Icke duped me into being a spruiker...For him???
Are you fucking mad as well as a liar?
Icke couldn't stand a thing I write these days.Now why would the man want a drug addled basket case spruiking for him?
Does it look good for Icke to have a heavy percentage of his supporters,as well as his enemies all to be basket cases of some sort.Most I talked to at DIF were ADHD or Hyperactive,Bi-Polar or Manic Depressive,or just plain schizo like you.
I don't spruik for Icke and did that thread by influence from another,as well as to shit you and Sod off,like you do to me...so go fuck yourself Suzy spastic schizoid Ryan.

I don't care,nor give a fuck.Now does that answer your question you doggie girl????


cthulhu lmao rolf wacky boobies catfight dizzy dogshag dif
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:after waiting more than an hour for me to "pop my lolly",she logs off.Hehehehehe,must've burnt her to find I really started the thread just to shit her off and she was hoping to flip it somehow,thinking she can offend me with insulting Icke.

Icke lives in Blighty,or the UK for others.If he can't get over being laughed at by the Wogan show,or the pisstakes down at the pub,then fucking move.He's pommy English,he should be used to back-stabbing,whiney cockney tongues,that's their culture,whinge and whine about everyone and everything.That's why Aussies call them "Whinging Pommes".He's a big boy and doesn't need me to hold his hand or spruik for him,That's what the moderators are for.We have a differing opinion there,but that's the way Sean runs the game and I never agreed with his ways.It's about psychology,not product placement and if they can't accept that,to bad.What forums do I write for,all of them except for David Icke Forums,or DIF as it's known here.

Happy now?
Fucking lying toad of a woman you are Suzy....No-one owns Billy Ruben/Thelyran or David Vincent,get that through your deluded head...one day Suzy,we'll meet and I will slap your face open handedly,Laugh all you like,have your two sons there too...get it.


cthulhu

I suppose that blows your rumours,lies and theories out of the water you discuss behind the scenes there Suzy old Girl.

I always know,it's just when I want to pull the plug on your lunacy and show you up to the others you lie too.Not everyone is connected and part of your secret,sick,sad world.

If you're so brave and honest,go on,post a modern photo of yourself with a clear picture of your eyes...and yes,you are'nt no show pony,probably blown a few,but you never were,what you call desireable.It's not for that reason.So in advance,don't flatter yourself,like you always do,champion breeder.

*Hint*

I mention the name Suzy Ryan...the laughter on the other end of the line,you're an open joke and an open sewer Suzy Ryan.So don't think I'm not to well informed.




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Post  true lilly on Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:15 pm

Explosions rock anti-mafia priest's center in Italy
From:AFP
December 27, 2011
9:37AM

A PAIR of explosions Monday (local time)
rocked a center for immigrant children
run by an anti-mafia priest in southern Italy,

local officials said, adding that no one was injured.


One of the blasts slightly damaged part of the building in Lamezia Terme,
a town with historic ties to the Calabrian mafia, known as the 'Ndrangheta.

The four-story building has since 2004 been used as a center for disabled people
run by Father Giacomo Panizza, who has struggled for years against the mafia.

"This seems like a very clear message," said the priest, known locally as Don Panizza.
He said he has received previous death threats from the powerful crime syndicate.

Last year, Panizza added an immigrant children's center to his building. The building
had been previously confiscated from the 'Ndrangheta after the group used it as a front
for drug trafficking.

Related Coverage

Panizza is respected across Italy for his social work and struggle against organized crime.
true lilly wrote:
People smugglers prey on new arrivals

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/people-smugglers-preying-on-new-arrivals/story-fn7x8me2-1226230797939

Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.

THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries
. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers,
sailors and air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries
in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.


A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.


The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.
true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
Hagbard Celine

Footie McGrew

Ciggy

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Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:57 am
Posts: 324

...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.
Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to
,
One VERY big 'hint'

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:02 PM
by true-lilly

Joined: 13-March 06


Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Board Closed
This board has been closed for Terms of Service violations.

The Terms of Service
tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of AUSTRALIA.
Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.


The road to OZ....


The Golden Road...

California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...

Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.


From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.
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DARKNESS WITHIN: Neo-Nazi conspiracy theorists at the heart of Occupy Melbourne protest

http://www.vexnews.com/2011/10/darkness-within-neo-nazi-conspiracy-theorists-at-the-heart-of-occupy-melbourne-protest/

VEXNEWS can reveal that Tina Athanasopoulos, a key organiser of the Occupy Melbourne is a devotee of a bizarre anti-Semitic neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist David Icke. But more of that later.

Occupy Melbourne ended predictably.

Even small-l liberal inner-city Melbourne had thought the protesters had had a good run, longer than some of its less successful artistic offerings and that it was time for it to decently conclude.

MESSED OPPORTUNITY
It was a missed opportunity for the mostly naive extremists – and their Greens party allies – to honour their commitments and leave declaring some kind of imaginary success over ‘the man’. Instead, in the manner of the spoiled child, they blocked tram lines used by workers to get home and fouled up the City Square, leaving it for Council workers to clean up.


If empowering the “99%” against the “1%” was really the aim, they used and abused a lot of innocent “99%” victims along the way to make a point that no-one has yet articulated and no-one comprehends. For reasons we shall see, some of what lurked behind Occupy Melbourne was much smellier than even the most unwashed sleeping bag.

Naturally the chancers in the increasingly cynical and sleazy Greens political party sniffed the opportunity over the body odour.

A self-appointed leader of the gathering, whose involvement in funny-money “charity” schemes in the past prompt real questions about his own corporate greed that he has failed to answer, Nick Carson was a Greens party political candidate at the last state election and continues as a member.

POWER BANDT
Their current MP for Melbourne, Dr Adam Bandt PhD, who is so nervous about holding his seat that he had his party spend $10,000 of taxpayer-generated funds on Galaxy opinion-polling to rebut claims he was doing a woeful job as a local MP because he’s a regular no-show at community events and has alienated many community groups in inner-Melbourne, jumped all over the Occupy Melbourne sleeping bag, declaring it was a “blunder” to move the protesters on.

Bandt was supportive of Occupy Melbourne, opining:

“It is no wonder that people are protesting. The richest 20% of households in Australian have 60 times the wealth of the poorest 20% of Australians. CEOs are getting huge pay increases and banks are posting record profits.”

But Bandt is part of the problem of which he complains. He is Mr 1% in a suit with a smug grin. He flies first class, at taxpayer expense. He employed his girlfriend in his MP’s office at public expense. He then got her another cushy job. He is paid nearly $4000 a week to serve as an MP. He is chauffeured around to the airport in a V8 luxo-barge ComCar.

He does not eat his own mung-bean cooking of the revolution.

And who could blame him?

KEEPING IT REAL
We don’t think MP’s are paid excessively or should lose perks that perhaps slightly compensate for all the crap that gets thrown at them but we do ask wannabe revolutionaries to be consistent and live the words they preach.

That Socialist Party Yarra councillor Steve Jolly is a shocker. He wants to reinstate socialism in the world, despite a rather embarrassing experiment where whole countries were held back in a mire of waste and indolence for decades with millions of people sent to gulags, persecuted and murdered by the system that pretended to be a “worker’s paradise”. In PR terms, we might call this something of a setback, perhaps slightly “diminishing brand equity” as they might say on St Kilda Road.

But Jolly slings back his council honorarium – and is apparently required to by his comrades – to the party whose dead horse he so sincerely flogs and only receives a “living wage.”

If the Greens did that rather than pretend to be groovy revolutionaries while flying around like pampered poodles, they’d be more convincing. Jolly may be wrong but the Greens are wrong while being frauds of the most outrageous kind.

WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED
Meanwhile, there are workers who do it tough. One group of them – highly unionised – have very high levels of workplace injury and trauma. Most of them get around $60,000 to $70,000 per annum, maybe a little more with overtime. They risk their lives, many of them, every time they go out on the job.

Yep, it’s the Police.

They are working people.

But state Greens MP Colleen Hartland wasn’t impressed. She told her friends at The Age:

“Police in riot gear just started to push me and once that happened I decided that I would be joining in.”

They were doing their job. They did so very cautiously, deliberately and responsibly in circumstances that ought never have been necessary because the protesters ought to have packed up, cheered themselves through the drizzle and declared a victory of some kind over the “man.”

It’s worth contemplating why they didn’t.

It’s because at the heart of the leadership of Occupy Melbourne were the truly, raving mad. And, even worse, vile and dangerous anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.

A key Occupy Melbourne organiser was Tina Athanasopoulos. She set up its Facebook page, gave interviews on 3CR representing them and so on.

And who is this Tina Athanasopoulos?

She’s a devotee of David Icke. VEXNEWS has obtained Facebook entries made by her in a private David Icke group, where she assured members of his group that she was a central player in the Occupy Melbourne and that she would ensure Icke’s views were advanced.

David Icke, apparently touring the nation at the moment, is a leading conspiracy theorist who expounds views including according to Wikipedia:

At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie

Ominously:

According to Barkun, Icke has actively tried to cultivate the far right. In 1996, he spoke to a conference in Reno, Nevada, alongside opponents of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act—which mandates background checks on people who buy guns in the United States—including Kirk Lyons, a white nationalist lawyer who has represented the Ku Klux Klan. Barkun argues that the relationship between Icke, the militias, and the Christian Patriots is complex because of the New Age baggage Icke brings with him, and he stresses that Icke is not actually a member of any of these groups, but he has nevertheless absorbed the world view of the radical right virtually intact.

and, as such, he doesn’t think much of the Jews:

In The Robots’ Rebellion (1994), Icke introduced the idea that the Global Elite’s plan for world domination was laid out in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903, which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling villains from a Saturday matinee, as Jon Ronson put it in his documentary about Icke, David Icke, the Lizards and the Jews (2001)

These are the dogs that elected Greens party politicians have – hopefully unwittingly – associated themselves with. Little wonder those who attended Occupy Melbourne were left scratching at fleas afterwards.


wat to go Icke Reichmeister.............. thumbs up lmao rolf
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Post  true lilly on Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:42 pm


AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly


David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly


MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly


Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly


SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS

Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


by:Jessica Marszalek

From:Herald Sun
December 30, 2011
12:00AM
28 comments


Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.


Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.


It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.


Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.


Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.


There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.


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SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS

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Post  true lilly on Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:45 pm

true lilly wrote:IT BEGINS....
true lilly wrote:CAN'T FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN COUNTRY?
WE WANT YOU.

Can't fight for your own country? We want you


THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries
. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.


A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.


The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are
offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.
Billy Ruben wrote:I
was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour
warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health
act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5
days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me
away after the hoax rape fiasco.


Of course I was sane,even the
nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt
with a patient a victim of the same group.


But don't say I didn't
warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and
maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe
laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker
in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting
needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.


Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This
part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and
snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my
job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.


And I know
you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent
your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.


Now,enjoy
the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I
will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of
course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I
love you.




true lilly wrote:
MRS SARABJIT PALMER!!! wrote:Yes !!!!!!!!! Yes
!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!!!!! Make MRS TISWAS PALMER a ModerAtor OF Sodlike
Productions MR SODLIKE!!!!!!! yOU NEED A STRONG WILLED PERSON HERE aND
MRS TISWAS PALMER IS hard wHen it come to the strap adiCktome nights
WITH BARRY.

true lilly wrote:NO.
So I expect it.

Well 'you' can only spam over so much Real World News
that 'you' 'all' abuse me for asking folk to THINK about.

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


by:Jessica Marszalek
From:Herald Sun
December 30, 2011
12:00AM
28 comments

Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.

Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.

It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.

Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.

Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.

There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.

28 comments on this story

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
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David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben
Wink
true lilly wrote:TV ban on asylum seekers
by:The Australian
From:The Australian
December 28, 2011
12:12AM


TV stations may be banned from showing images of asylum seekers*
arriving in Australia by boat, The Australian reported today.

New rules handed down by the Australian Communications and Media
Authority restrict what can be broadcast, after lobbying from the
Immigration Department.


Under the changes, a person's *privacy would be protected
even if they were filmed in a public place.


The rules would mean that broadcasting images of *asylum seekers arriving
in Australian waters by boat
might be stopped
, the newspaper said.


PEOPLE SMUGGLERS PREY ON NEW ARRIVALS
People smugglers prey on new arrivals


Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.

Editorial: Boats continue to set sail
true lilly wrote:Last Updated: December 28, 2011
TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES AHEAD
Tough economic times ahead

Stephen McMahon

THE tidal wave of bad news
that has engulfed the global economy
in the past six months is
expected to worsen in early 2012.


BRITAIN AT RISK OF TUMBLING
Britain at risk of tumbling


Stephen McMahon
BRITAIN is in danger of becoming
the latest European casualty
with a warning it risks tumbling into
a "double dip" recession next year.


AUSSIE WAGES LURE RECORD NUMBER OF KIWIS
Aussie wages lure record number of Kiwis

NUMBER of Kiwis setting up home in Australia
hits an all-time high,

with nearly 1000 people a week crossing the ditch.
It Began,
LONG BEFORE May 2008...

true lilly wrote:Professor Bill Collins devises
'billion-year perspective'
to pinpoint minerals

From:AAP
December 27, 2011

12:24AM
AN Australian scientist says he has found a way
to make it easier to locate valuable minerals.


Professor Bill Collins, of the University of Newcastle's School of Environmental and
Life Sciences, says he has devised a new "billion-year perspective" that examines
the way the Earth was constructed over the past 2000 million years.

The information can be used to try to pinpoint the location
of potential mineral deposits.


"We can use continental drift and other techniques
to track the continents back through time,"
Prof Collins said today.


"It is like a big jigsaw puzzle
with bits and pieces of continents
ripping off one landmass
and transferring to another."

Prof Collins believes the Pacific Rim
contains many copper and gold deposits.


Examining geological information contained in tiny grains of zircon,
which is common in the crust of the Earth, has also given him a new way
to find where the ancient "Pacific Rims" were.


"Many of the ancient margins are now within the continental interior.
This is where the copper and gold reserves will be hidden."

Prof Collins said the ability to predict prospective terrains,
both under the surface and in the highest geological layers,
will be the biggest benefit of his research.
Oh, we know why "you legion" regularly read my posts,
and made me a little cave to post them in.

However, the quality of the readership is not the issue,
but that for close to 7 years, they've continued to be read,
by both, non-replying, independently thinking readers, and,
the same Professional Trolls, who have attacked me with the
same bald faced lies, from the beginning.

And the only thing you all have in common, is interest in a
real world, world view, that other's aren't paying attention to.
Some, to do good with what that view reveals, others, to do ill.

So I don't post much of anything anymore, and stick mainly to
the front pages of the popular news when I do, and then, without
much commentary, if any at all.

And dang if the fools don't still find ways to hang themselves, by
fishing for 'what I mean (by what someone else wrote)',
and/or attacking me for what they
'think I mean (by what someone else wrote)'.
Even when I post news that they generally agree with,
they still manage to excuse attacking me anyway.Rolling Eyes

It's called, "Today's News and Current Affairs", and I post some
that cover topics worthy of full and free consideration, with links
to quoted sources, for readers to further explore the topics from. Smile
true lilly wrote:
Tuesday 27 December 2011

Curbs on Antarctic tourism

Plans to limit tourism in Antarctic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5140141/Plans-to-limit-tourism-in-Antarctic.html
The number of tourists visiting Antarctica could be restricted
under British plans, amid fears that the increase in cruise ships in the
area threatens to cause irreparable damage to the continent's pristine
environment.

Some may recall I posted other old 'news' on this recently,
from an Australian perspective.

As I did years ago, when I posted about
"Patagonian Toothfish Pirates", and
The 'Whaling' Wars
.


It is NOT about 'tourists' hurting the frozen south,
it is NOT about protecting fish and whales,
but about Shoring Up The Glorious South;
The Land Promised to Re-gathered Israel.


Japan eases self-imposed arms export ban
From:AFP

December 27, 2011 8:42PM

TOKYO has eased a decades-old self-imposed ban on arms exports,
paving the way for Japanese firms to participate in multinational
weapons projects.

In a move intended to bolster the domestic arms industry and
reduce national defence spending, officially pacifist Japan will for
the first time in decades routinely allow its companies to partner with
foreign firms
to develop weapons.


"Under the new standards, Japan will be able to transport military equipment
for missions of peace-building and international co-operation," Foreign Minister
Koichiro Gemba told reporters today.


"This will mean that Japan can now address
international peace co-operation
and global challenges such as terrorism and piracy
more proactively and effectively.
"

Japan, whose industries took many years to recover from the devastation of
World War II, declared in 1967 that it would very tightly control its
foreign weapons sales.


Related Coverage


At the height of the Cold War, then prime minister Eisaku Sato said
Tokyo would not sell armaments to communist states, countries directly
engaged in international conflicts, or nations under UN arms embargoes.


The restrictions were further tightened in 1976 when Japan said all exports
would be subject to stringent rules that effectively barred all weapon sales.


A limited number of exceptions were subsequently made for technological
co-operation projects such as missile defence with the United States, Japan's
cornerstone security ally.


The new rules will allow Japan to develop and produce arms jointly with the US
and European countries and to export military equipment for peaceful and
humanitarian purposes such as UN peace-keeping operations.


Tokyo will also be allowed to provide defensive equipment, such as helmets and
bullet-proof vests, to the limited number of countries in which its Self-Defence Forces
are deployed.


Critics of the ban say it was a Cold War relic that has resulted in Japan's military
hardware capability becoming outdated,while increasingly assertive regional rival
China continues to spend heavily on defence technology.


But supporters say any move to expand Tokyo's military reach, however limited,
is likely to rankle in Beijing and Seoul, where Japan's wartime aggression remains
a sensitive subject.
true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
Hagbard Celine

Footie McGrew

Ciggy

Lemonpie
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:57 am
Posts: 324

...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.

Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to
,
One VERY big 'hint'

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:02 PM
by true-lilly

Joined:
13-March 06


Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Board Closed
This board has been closed for Terms of Service violations.

The Terms of Service
tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of
AUSTRALIA.

Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.


The road to OZ....


The Golden Road...
California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...

Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.


From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.
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Post  true lilly on Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:03 pm

You do realize how MANY DANGEROUS roads, seas and borders
these 'asylum seekers' HAVE TO ESCAPE, OUT of AND INTO,
to 'escape' the HOMElands they are 'claiming' to need asylum from,
before they make it to their TARGET COUNTRY, AUSTRALIA,
O'Zion.


Australian 'Mr X' sought over asylum boat tragedy
by:AAP
From:AAP
December 30, 2011

9:29AM


Watch
Aust man sought over asylum boat tragedy

Australian man accused of involvement with organisers of the overloaded asylum boat that sank off Java.

Indonesian
police carry a young boy who survived the boat tragedy. The boat was
heavily overloaded with Afghan and Iranian asylum-seekers.
Picture: AFP AdelaideNow


AN Australian has been accused of involvement with organisers of the
overloaded asylum seeker boat that sank this month killing as many as
200 people.

Indonesian police spokesman Saud Usman Nasution has told Fairfax
newspapers that investigators have given the name of the man to
Australian Federal Police after several survivors identified him.


"We have passed on the name of the Australian man - Mr X - to the AFP
to follow up," Inspector-General Nasution said.


But an AFP spokeswoman told Fairfax that
"the AFP has not received a referral from the Indonesian national police".


"The AFP has made no arrests in relation to this matter
and this is a matter for the Indonesian authorities,"
she said.


Told of the AFP comments,
General Nasution insisted the name
had been passed on and the investigation was a joint effort by
both countries' law enforcement agencies.


Four Indonesian soldiers have been detained for their involvement
with two local owners of small boats used to ferry the asylum seekers to
their "mother ship" at sea, but there have been reports indicating more
security personnel and officials were involved.


General Nasution said multiple suspects had been identified in Indonesia and in
"countries of origin", understood to be Pakistan and Iran.
true
lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:First a cup of tea,then I make
your life miserable old slag.I know you love it,you have nothing of
value to say.Hide away yesterday?Really think I'm joking about reporting
you Suzy Ryan...I did.



Is "tintin" still alive?
Well, it's been a while since I've read 'Aarnout van der Plooge/tintin's' 'voice'
in 'his' posts, and some really big things happened around those times he
'went away' and would come back with different 'voices'.

You know, the really big things that I posted on
and the rest of The CONspiracy Industry ignored,
as 'they' do when it shows 'them' for what 'they' are.

true lilly wrote:I tried to post this to make my ICKEST=TEAM TINTIN KILLER Point - A
PICTURE PAINTS A THOUSAND WORDS...THE ICKEST 'lions' PLAN TO DEVOUR
AUSTRALIANS... SO 'they' ARE SLAVING TO CONvince THE WORLD of THE FILTHY
LIE that, WE OF O'Zion "AREN'T HUMAN"...!!!
http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=246
true lilly wrote:IT BEGINS....
true lilly wrote:CAN'T FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN COUNTRY?
WE WANT YOU.

Can't fight for your own country? We want you


THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries
. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.


A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.


The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are
offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.
Billy Ruben wrote:I
was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour
warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health
act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5
days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me
away after the hoax rape fiasco.


Of course I was sane,even the
nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt
with a patient a victim of the same group.


But don't say I didn't
warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and
maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe
laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker
in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting
needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.


Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This
part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and
snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my
job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.


And I know
you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent
your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.


Now,enjoy
the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I
will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of
course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I
love you.


true lilly wrote:
MRS SARABJIT PALMER!!! wrote:Yes !!!!!!!!! Yes
!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!!!!! Make MRS TISWAS PALMER a ModerAtor OF Sodlike
Productions MR SODLIKE!!!!!!! yOU NEED A STRONG WILLED PERSON HERE aND
MRS TISWAS PALMER IS hard wHen it come to the strap adiCktome nights
WITH BARRY.

true lilly wrote:NO.
So I expect it.

Well 'you' can only spam over so much Real World News
that 'you' 'all' abuse me for asking folk to THINK about.

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


by:Jessica Marszalek
From:Herald Sun
December 30, 2011
12:00AM
28 comments

Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.

Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.

It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.

Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.

Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.

There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.

28 comments on this story

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben
Wink
true lilly wrote:TV ban on asylum seekers
by:The Australian
From:The Australian
December 28, 2011
12:12AM


TV stations may be banned from showing images of asylum seekers*
arriving in Australia by boat, The Australian reported today.

New rules handed down by the Australian Communications and Media
Authority restrict what can be broadcast, after lobbying from the
Immigration Department.


Under the changes, a person's *privacy would be protected
even if they were filmed in a public place.


The rules would mean that broadcasting images of *asylum seekers arriving
in Australian waters by boat
might be stopped
, the newspaper said.


PEOPLE SMUGGLERS PREY ON NEW ARRIVALS
People smugglers prey on new arrivals


Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.

Editorial: Boats continue to set sail
true lilly wrote:Last Updated: December 28, 2011
TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES AHEAD
Tough economic times ahead

Stephen McMahon

THE tidal wave of bad news
that has engulfed the global economy
in the past six months is
expected to worsen in early 2012.


BRITAIN AT RISK OF TUMBLING
Britain at risk of tumbling


Stephen McMahon
BRITAIN is in danger of becoming
the latest European casualty
with a warning it risks tumbling into
a "double dip" recession next year.


AUSSIE WAGES LURE RECORD NUMBER OF KIWIS
Aussie wages lure record number of Kiwis

NUMBER of Kiwis setting up home in Australia
hits an all-time high,

with nearly 1000 people a week crossing the ditch.
It Began,
LONG BEFORE May 2008...

true lilly wrote:Professor Bill Collins devises
'billion-year perspective'
to pinpoint minerals

From:AAP
December 27, 2011

12:24AM
AN Australian scientist says he has found a way
to make it easier to locate valuable minerals.


Professor Bill Collins, of the University of Newcastle's School of Environmental and
Life Sciences, says he has devised a new "billion-year perspective" that examines
the way the Earth was constructed over the past 2000 million years.

The information can be used to try to pinpoint the location
of potential mineral deposits.


"We can use continental drift and other techniques
to track the continents back through time,"
Prof Collins said today.


"It is like a big jigsaw puzzle
with bits and pieces of continents
ripping off one landmass
and transferring to another."

Prof Collins believes the Pacific Rim
contains many copper and gold deposits.


Examining geological information contained in tiny grains of zircon,
which is common in the crust of the Earth, has also given him a new way
to find where the ancient "Pacific Rims" were.


"Many of the ancient margins are now within the continental interior.
This is where the copper and gold reserves will be hidden."

Prof Collins said the ability to predict prospective terrains,
both under the surface and in the highest geological layers,
will be the biggest benefit of his research.
Oh, we know why "you legion" regularly read my posts,
and made me a little cave to post them in.

However, the quality of the readership is not the issue,
but that for close to 7 years, they've continued to be read,
by both, non-replying, independently thinking readers, and,
the same Professional Trolls, who have attacked me with the
same bald faced lies, from the beginning.

And the only thing you all have in common, is interest in a
real world, world view, that other's aren't paying attention to.
Some, to do good with what that view reveals, others, to do ill.

So I don't post much of anything anymore, and stick mainly to
the front pages of the popular news when I do, and then, without
much commentary, if any at all.

And dang if the fools don't still find ways to hang themselves, by
fishing for 'what I mean (by what someone else wrote)',
and/or attacking me for what they
'think I mean (by what someone else wrote)'.
Even when I post news that they generally agree with,
they still manage to excuse attacking me anyway.Rolling Eyes

It's called, "Today's News and Current Affairs", and I post some
that cover topics worthy of full and free consideration, with links
to quoted sources, for readers to further explore the topics from. Smile
true lilly wrote:
Tuesday 27 December 2011

Curbs on Antarctic tourism

Plans to limit tourism in Antarctic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5140141/Plans-to-limit-tourism-in-Antarctic.html
The number of tourists visiting Antarctica could be restricted
under British plans, amid fears that the increase in cruise ships in the
area threatens to cause irreparable damage to the continent's pristine
environment.

Some may recall I posted other old 'news' on this recently,
from an Australian perspective.

As I did years ago, when I posted about
"Patagonian Toothfish Pirates", and
The 'Whaling' Wars
.


It is NOT about 'tourists' hurting the frozen south,
it is NOT about protecting fish and whales,
but about Shoring Up The Glorious South;
The Land Promised to Re-gathered Israel.


Japan eases self-imposed arms export ban
From:AFP

December 27, 2011 8:42PM

TOKYO has eased a decades-old self-imposed ban on arms exports,
paving the way for Japanese firms to participate in multinational
weapons projects.

In a move intended to bolster the domestic arms industry and
reduce national defence spending, officially pacifist Japan will for
the first time in decades routinely allow its companies to partner with
foreign firms
to develop weapons.


"Under the new standards, Japan will be able to transport military equipment
for missions of peace-building and international co-operation," Foreign Minister
Koichiro Gemba told reporters today.


"This will mean that Japan can now address
international peace co-operation
and global challenges such as terrorism and piracy
more proactively and effectively.
"

Japan, whose industries took many years to recover from the devastation of
World War II, declared in 1967 that it would very tightly control its
foreign weapons sales.


Related Coverage
At the height of the Cold War, then prime minister Eisaku Sato said
Tokyo would not sell armaments to communist states, countries directly
engaged in international conflicts, or nations under UN arms embargoes.


The restrictions were further tightened in 1976 when Japan said all exports
would be subject to stringent rules that effectively barred all weapon sales.


A limited number of exceptions were subsequently made for technological
co-operation projects such as missile defence with the United States, Japan's
cornerstone security ally.


The new rules will allow Japan to develop and produce arms jointly with the US
and European countries and to export military equipment for peaceful and
humanitarian purposes such as UN peace-keeping operations.


Tokyo will also be allowed to provide defensive equipment, such as helmets and
bullet-proof vests, to the limited number of countries in which its Self-Defence Forces
are deployed.


Critics of the ban say it was a Cold War relic that has resulted in Japan's military
hardware capability becoming outdated,while increasingly assertive regional rival
China continues to spend heavily on defence technology.


But supporters say any move to expand Tokyo's military reach, however limited,
is likely to rankle in Beijing and Seoul, where Japan's wartime aggression remains
a sensitive subject.
true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
Hagbard Celine

Footie McGrew

Ciggy

Lemonpie
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:57 am
Posts: 324

...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.

Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to
,
One VERY big 'hint'

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:02 PM
by true-lilly

Joined:
13-March 06


Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Board Closed
This board has been closed for Terms of Service violations.

The Terms of Service
tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of
AUSTRALIA.

Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.


The road to OZ....


The Golden Road...
California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...

Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.


From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.
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Re: David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA

Post  Billy Ruben on Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:06 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
Hi shitbag scumbucket.Cause you were spiteful spamming unrelate crap this morning and my little modem packed in,I just had a friend/connection replace modem,line filter,all chords and Now I'm going to be a bastard and spam the fuck out of this place.Sod was warned and he can't do shit about it,so suck my dick you dog raping,child porn freak...and you admitted you have child porn and JD John Drake/Droike plays moral card one day and defends a known and self confessed pervert the next day.Enjoy the Federal Police babe,cause they're next babe...FUCK YOU BITCH !!!!!!

cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu

Billy Ruben wrote:
I was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5 days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me away after the hoax rape fiasco.

Of course I was sane,even the nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt with a patient a victim of the same group.

But don't say I didn't warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.

Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.

And I know you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.

Now,enjoy the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I love you.

satan satan satan satan




Billy Ruben wrote:
And when you decide to take a long stroll or go shopping,it's best to have every time-table for buses and trains,like I did.I escaped and went home for bongs,sex and real food.And a shower I did'nt need to wear footwear in.Seeing this horrible old 70 year old,squashing a shit down the drain hole of the shower.I was disgusted.Lock your shower door,or the fat brunette,who offered me free rent and a share in her house,came running in,sucking on my flaccid penis,the shampoo,blinding me at the very right second,almost,comical.I was scared of her.And always knock,before you enter any room,this horrible looking man,said I'm the Butterfly,just as hs started to ejaculate all over the back of the door from fast and furious wanking...be warned.It's gonna be fun.

cthulhu lmao


Billy Ruben wrote:Keep credit cards,ATM savings cards and all electronic ways of getting money,home,or hidden in your pants.They usually keep it in a safe and only allow you $15 a day back in 2002.Do not wear jewellery,rings,wedding or any sort.Keep valuables at home,or safety deposit box.




Billy Ruben wrote:
and keep your stupid fucking beliefs to yourself,OK...





Billy Ruben wrote:There is a forum admin here,named Sod/Julian.He's over 35,looks like a demonic version of Sting,Pommy (English),loves a night on the booze and drugs,which on average,makes him a lazy bastard.Like most western men are.Spoilt fuckin' rotten I say.But he'll find his runners,when he's conscripted for Asian battlefields,soon enough.I mean,if the bastard could use an iron lung to assist breathing,he would.It means,he hardly ever moderates,bit picky on who he answers PM's,real bitch.

However,there is a very skilled,rather energetic,smart and sassy,unbiased world wide women here,named Tiswas.

She's spiritual,understanding,gives good debates and I believe,quite unbiased in all matters concerning Icke.Offers the olive branch to those who foolishly,troll and attempt to sway her to the dark side.

This rare lady of light,with all her wisdom and knowledge,would be a great assett to the forums administration and I believe she is the answer to cleaning up the spam wars we have here,for which I trully,hand on heart apologise for my own involvement.

I hope the current admin,the one who needs a iron lung to breathe,maybe consider this idea as one of the few rare instances that I could conceive,that has a small amount of merit.

If anyone feels the idea should be lobbied to our admin,please raise your concerns here.

Thankyou to the forum for your time and consideration,yours sincerely,Billy Ruben.


thumbs up cheers


Billy Ruben wrote:I am sure,in the name of freedom of speech,that Droike,Marpat and True Lilly,their futures would be safe,in the hands of Tiswas.

Not so with Mr Ruben,who would Nazi there arses and relegate them to a new sub-forum,called The Gas Chamber.

Be lucky,that true lights like Tiswas exist.

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Post  true lilly on Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:36 pm

I read the violent frustration of
proven pathological liars
being caught in their own web of deceit.


So, IS "tintin" still alive?

If so, is he a functioning member of society?
...it IS, ALL, SO RELATED...


Yes 'cori', some of us will always remember when
"tintin" declared that he had the power to "EDIT"
'David Icke Official Forums', and showed that he did.


ISAIAH 33:1
1
Woe to you who are despoiling, without you yourself being despoiled,
and to you who are dealing treacherously,
without [others] having dealt treacherously with you!
As soon as you have finished as a despoiler, you will be despoiled.
As soon as you have done with dealing treacherously,
they will deal treacherously with you.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=33&v=1&t=KJV#1

So how much MORE WOEFUL
FOR 'THOSE' WHO despoiled,
and dealt treacherously with,
those who didn't only, NOT despoil
or deal treacherously,
but actually WORKED to BLESS,
as "tintin" knew and publicly admitted, I did,
after his 3 week stay in my home.
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Re: David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA

Post  Billy Ruben on Thu Dec 29, 2011 9:22 pm



True Lilly above confesses she has child porn on her PC.
The full story that you don't know,is her husband,Bill/William Ryan,a serving detective in Victorian Police Force,was lied about by her,cause he got a vasectomy (smart husband),a divorce and took the kids for a few years.She was on her own...WHY?

She set him up as drug dealer,animal and baby rapist,all of which came to no avail.But the heinous low life creature she is,installed child-porn and tried to set him up for it.But,Police being trained in psyche,that they are,realized she's just a schizophrenic patient and let her be,giving the stupid old tart license to continue to be a menace to society and herself.

I have rectified the problem and contacted Ballarat Health services and dropped this note by emai...The Federal Police is next.

"There are a number of forums,that Suzy Ryan of Ballarat/Wendouree? where she states she has child porn on her PC,that Ballarat Police,Ballarat Mental Health,Frankston Hospital ,not to mention the dozens of individuals she accuses as blood sacificing satanic occultist,baby raping,beastiality types.She has caused alot of pain to people,over the years on many online forums.Even naming her ex-husband,Bill Ryan,allegedely,a serving detective in Victorian Police,as a peadophile and drug dealer.

She goes by the monicker of True Lilly/Vera Susa,her phone number is 0424705576,email: true-lilly@hotmail.com

If you decide to follow this through,with your own administrative body,or Ballarat Police,or a combined interview,I'm happy to make myself available at above written details or serve as a witness in court.I will,if you answer and show interest,collect all the data I can,besides her fabricated stories of being car bombed and beaten into hospital twice,she has caused much pain,to herself,people around her and the online community,she should be evaluated,but that is for your consideration and experience in this field to decide,thankyou for your time and consideration,my kind regards,Jason Cook


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Hi shitbag scumbucket.Cause you were spiteful spamming unrelate crap this morning and my little modem packed in,I just had a friend/connection replace modem,line filter,all chords and Now I'm going to be a bastard and spam the fuck out of this place.Sod was warned and he can't do shit about it,so suck my dick you dog raping,child porn freak...and you admitted you have child porn and JD John Drake/Droike plays moral card one day and defends a known and self confessed pervert the next day.Enjoy the Federal Police babe,cause they're next babe...FUCK YOU BITCH !!!!!!

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Thought you were better than that JD,you might be a low life lying bastarde,but never believe4d you would support a self confessed child pervert and child porn freak like True Lilly,read between the lines sir,she installed the porn to try and set her husband up,there's alot you don't know,but the police are trying to prove...Have a nice day sir.I'm enjoying it...

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Post  MoMo on Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:31 pm

Hey Icke!!!!! yeah you...........who do you think yopur bullshittin? some mental midget shit 4 brainz?.

Icke is a deluded and dangerous demagogue..........
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. H. L. Mencken

He is a hatemongering, fearmongering liar.

He claims he is not antisemitic, then he goes on to lie and demonize the Jews and Israel.......who is he kidding besides himself? The useful idiots that hang on everyone of his words?
http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism

David Icke Myth: Rothschild Zionism in its public expression is a political ideology based on a homeland for Jewish people in Palestine and a belief that the Jews are God's 'chosen race' with a God-given right to the 'promised land' of Israel (historically this is nonsense, as I show in my books)


The only thing he has shown in his books is he is an antisemitic gullible fool....... lmao
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFindex.html
MYTH
“The Jews have no claim to the land they call Israel.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFroots.html#1

A common misperception is that all the Jews were forced into the Diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. and then, 1,800 years later, the Jews suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.

The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.


David Icke Myth: They have sought to sell the 'Zionism-means-all-Jewish-people' lie so that they can condemn as 'anti-Semites' and 'racists' anyone who exposes the truth about Rothschild Zionism and its agents in government, banking, business, media, military etc.

Read this daveyboy:
http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/Against_Zionists_not_Jews.htm

http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/

Zionism is the national self determination movement of the Jewish people. Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people, in Israel. Zionism is the Jewish people's instantiation of the human right of self determination. 99% of Jews are supportive of the existance of the Jewish state - that makes them Zionists..............In summary
Almost all Jews (99%) are infact Zionists, but the definition Zionists (and infact almost all Jewish anti-Zionists) themselves use. If you use an antisemic defintion such as Zionism as Racist you can of course invent statistics as you please.
.

Hey davey, this is pure 100% unadulterated bullshit......that makes you a lying sack of shit.

David Icke Myth:The world's most extreme racists are, after all, the Rothschild Zionists, anyway. Israel is an apartheid state every bit as much as were apartheid South Africa and apartheid America.

The Facts

Comparison of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict with Apartheid South AfricaThese days it is becoming very popular to compare the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict with apartheid South Africa prior to 1994. It is an odious comparison wreaked with many half-truths and clichés. Both situations are so different that when one examines the situation one can note major differences. The idea of using this comparison is to delegitimize Israel's right to exist within secure and recognized borders and to justify the Palestinian methods of terror in order to destroy Israel.


In apartheid South Africa prior to 1994 before the first democratic elections in South Africa 's history, there was this odious apartheid system. Its main purpose was to maintain white minority rule at all costs and to keep the black majority disenfranchised and without basic human rights. These blacks were a reservoir of cheap labour to operate the white economy and to ensure white prosperity at their expense. Blacks had suffered immense injustice under this system. White South African Government spending on black education and their general community welfare was minimal. The gap between the black situation then and slavery was not very large.

Social intercourse between whites and blacks in those days was a relationship between the white master and the black, underpaid servant. The situation for non-white people was intolerable and even cruel. It was against the law for Blacks to travel freely in the country of their birth except if they had a pass (dompas) from the white authorities. After 9.00 p.m., there was a curfew and blacks were forbidden in the streets after that dreaded hour in many towns. These people were not terrorists. They were not people who threatened the whites in any way. Denial of their basic human rights was commonplace. There was the dreaded Immorality Act, which prevented mixed marriages and sex beyond the colour bar. Those who contravened the law were imprisoned. There were separate public facilities for blacks and whites. Laws forbade blacks to eat in white restaurants. Separate transport facilities, which resulted in overcrowded conditions in buses and trains, were part of this evil, cruel system. It was common to see police officers abusing and ill treating blacks for not having their pass (identity or reference book) on their person when being searched. The police pushed them into the back of the police van, and drove them to the police station where they spent a night in the lock up cell. Usually their white employers bailed out these unfortunate persons when they produced a permit that they were in his employ legally. Blacks could not purchase property in white areas, as this was a contravention of the notorious Group Areas Act.

Anybody who opposed the apartheid system in those days – especially if he was black – was accused of being an agitator or communist. The police arrested him for 90 days without trial or recourse to a lawyer. This was increased later to 180 days detention and the police officer even had the power to keep a person imprisoned indefinitely without trial. These incidents occurred during the period of 1950 – 1990. Apartheid was at its zenith in those years. It was illegal to criticise the white government for its apartheid practices. There was limited criticism in those days by white opposition parties in parliament. However, the law controlled the limit of legal criticism. The abuse of prisoners for obtaining information was legal and encouraged. The police tortured the famous black leader, Steve Biko, to death when he was in prison for "anti-apartheid crimes" in 1977.

The majority of South African citizens was against apartheid and wanted to be part of a multi racial South Africa . The leaders of the liberation movements never spoke of destroying the white man and denying him rights in South Africa. Their fight was a justified fight for freedom and human rights as well as equality before the law.

If one were to contrast that with the situation in the Middle East, it is different. Israel 's Arab neighbours threatened her from the day of her establishment in 1948. There was never a desire to recognise Israel 's right to exist. What has this to do with South African style apartheid? Where is the comparison?

The blacks in their liberation struggle never targeted innocent people by suicide bombings or terror. There were sporadic incidents by some black extremists, but the mainstream liberation movements in South Africa went underground. Their leaders, who were living in exile, condemned this violence.

Perhaps, there may be a vague parallel of apartheid in the occupied territories since June 1967. The occupation is a complex problem that is the result of a war foisted onto Israel . Israel, being militarily superior, occupied territory in the Six Day War of June 1967 and made the fatal mistake of encouraging Jewish settlements there when it was obvious that there was no Arab partner who was willing to sign a peace treaty insuring the return of occupied territory as part of an overall peace agreement. The occupation and rule of the Palestinians is a tragic result of the wars that Israel fought for her survival/

However, had there been a willing partner on the Arab side who would come to terms with Israel's existence the seemingly "apartheid-like" situation would not have occurred. Israel never wished to conquer another people. This is contrary to the apartheid South African situation whereby the whites ruled and oppressed the blacks by force. They denied them their basic human rights. The intifida of 2000 resulted in a heavy spate of suicide violence against innocent Israelis, which resulted in heavy Israeli Army retaliation against armed Palestinian terrorists. The Palestinian terrorist groups had declared war on Israel and in a war; innocent people on both sides die and suffer.

The difference is that in South Africa both Whites and Blacks realized that their fate is dependent on one another. Both realised the importance of sitting down and negotiating a transitional period to end apartheid. Both sides were determined to rebuild the new democratic, multiracial South Africa . This feeling of mutual desire to end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is lacking. The Palestinians have embarked on the road of terror and suicide bombings.

This is their chosen path. It differs from the path that the freedom fighters in South Africa chose. Here there is no desire to come to terms with Israel 's existence that was always a "thorn" in Palestinian flesh. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have made this perfectly clear to the world. Their manifesto is no example in building an alternative democratic Palestinian society in a state replacing Israel.

Is there not a similarity to Nazism in the Hamas manifesto? Many Palestinian observers in the UN Security council accuse Israel of genocide. Is the Hamas Manifesto not promoting genocide of the Jewish People? Compare this to the ideals of those who opposed and fought the cruel racist regime of White South Africa during those evil, apartheid years. Their fight was a fight to attain equality for all South Africans irrespective of their skin colour. This is not the case in the Israel-Palestinian dispute. Here there is no desire in Palestinian street, as represented by Hamas and company, to come to terms with Israel's existence – let alone negotiate a peace treaty, which would eventually lead to the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel . Genocide is more part of the lexicon of the Palestinian terrorist groups than in Israel . Perhaps from this point of view, there is a similarity between the Palestinians and the dominating whites of apartheid South Africa . Both peoples oppressed their citizens and denied them basic human rights. Both regimes were corrupt and were involved in feathering their own nests.

The similarity of apartheid South Africa to the Palestinian Authority, including their methods of torture of opponents, makes this comparison closer to the truth.
Where are human rights in the Arab countries? Where are woman's rights in Islamic Society? In Saudi Arabia , women are treated like chattels and do not even have the franchise. Why are the human rights organizations not taking any view on that?

Another very big difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is the fact that there are no separate facilities for Jews and Arabs. Arab Israelis have equal rights and have the right to vote. There is no law preventing social mixing between the two peoples nor are there separate universities for Arabs and Israelis in Israel.

The comparison between Israel and apartheid South Africa shows total ignorance of the situation in both countries. After having been born and educated in apartheid South Africa and having opposed apartheid and racism all my life, I have come to realize how false and stupid this comparison really is. Much still remains to be done in the human rights area for Arab Israelis. There is some social descrimination in the job market and the situation is not as good as it could be. However, it is very far from the apartheid system of White South Africa where draconian laws were well set in place to separate blacks from whites


David Icke Myth: And by that I don't only mean the evil that is inflicted upon the Palestinian people minute-by-minute, day-by-day, but also the extraordinarily racist divisions within Jewish society with the black Jews from Ethiopia, for example, treated as little more than vermin
.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ejhist.html

The Facts
In early 1991, Eritrean and Tigrean rebels began a concerted attack on Mengistu forces, meeting with surprising success for the first time since the civil war began in 1975. With the rebel armies advancing each day, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam fled his country in early May. Rebels claimed control of the capital Addis Ababa shortly thereafter, and the situation of the Beta Israel took top priority in Israel. The Likud government of Yitzhak Shamir authorized a special permit for the Israeli airline, El Al, to fly on the Jewish Sabbath. On Friday, May 24, and continuing non-stop for 36 hours, a total of 34 El Al jumbo jets and Hercules C-130s—seats removed to accommodate the maximum number of Ethiopians—began a new chapter in the struggle for the freedom of Ethiopian Jewry.

Operation Solomon, named for the king from whom one of the theories suggest that the Beta Israel draw their lineage, ended almost as quickly as it began. Timing was crucial, since any delay by Israel could have allowed the rebels to hold the Jews as bargaining chips with Israel or the United States. A total of 14,324 Ethiopian Jews were rescued and resettled in Israel, a modern exodus of the grandest design. Operation Solomon rescued nearly double the number of Jews as were saved during Operation Moses and Joshua, and it did so in a mere fraction of the time.

More than 36,000 Ethiopian Jews now live in Israel and despite both economic and social hardships, their community has an integral part in Israeli society. In 1999, Avraham Yitzhak became the first Ethiopian immigrant to earn an MD degree from an Israeli medical school. In 2011, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs appointed Rachamim Elazar as Israel's Ambassador to Ethiopia, making him the first Israeli of Ethiopian descent to ever serve as an ambassador for the State of Israel. There are still many problems within the Ethiopian community in Israel - poverty, lack of education, etc - but large strides are being made every day.......................As early as the 16th century, Egypt's Chief Rabbi David ben Solomon ibn Avi Zimra (Radbaz) declared that in Halachic (Jewish legal) issues, the Beta Israel were indeed Jews. In 1855, Daniel ben Hamdya, a member of the Beta Israel, was the first Ethiopian Jew to visit Israel, meeting with a council of rabbis in Jerusalem concerning the authenticity of the Beta Israel. By 1864, almost all leading Jewish authorities, most notably Rabbi Azriel Hildsheimer of Eisenstadt, Germany, accepted the Beta Israel as true Jews. In 1908 the chief rabbis of forty-five countries had heeded Rabbi Hildsheimer's call and officially recognized the Beta Israel as fellow Jews.

In reaffirming the Radbaz's position centuries before, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, Israel's Chief Sephardic Rabbi, stated in 1972, “I have come to the conclusion that Falashas are Jews who must be saved from absorption and assimilation. We are obliged to speed up their immigration to Israel and educate them in the spirit of the holy Torah, making them partners in the building of the Holy Land.”

In 1975, Ashkenazic Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren wrote to the Beta Israel telling them, “You are our brothers, you are our blood and our flesh. You are true Jews.” Later that same year the Israeli Interministerial Commission officially recognized the Beta Israel as Jews under Israel's Law of Return, a law designed to aid in Jewish immigration to Israel. The Beta Israel were ready to come home.

Indeed, the Beta Israel were strictly observant in pre-Talmudic Jewish traditions. The women went to the mikvah, or ritual bath, just as observant Jewish women do to this day, and they continue to carry out ancient festivals, such as Seged, that have been passed down through the generations of Beta Israel. The Kesim, or religious leaders, are as widely revered and respected as the great rabbis in each community, passing the Jewish customs through storytelling and maintaining the few Jewish books and Torahs some communities were fortunate enough to have written in the liturgical language of Ge'ez.


Jewish Apathy . . .and its Defeat
The struggle to free the Beta Israel was not fought solely against the Ethiopian government. Much like some timid Jewish leaders during the Holocaust, some recent Jews sought to prevent a shanda fur de goyim (an embarrassment in front of the non-Jews) by not stirring up waves over Ethiopian Jewry.

The history of the Beta Israel's rescue is at times open to debate regarding the heroes of the Ethiopian Jewry movement. As with many struggles to free oppressed Jewry around the world, many advocated and vocalized opposition to those responsible for the lack of action on their behalf. Others, however, argued for a more quiet diplomacy, void of the public demonstrations and arrests that marked the struggle for Soviet Jewry.

Though over 8,000 Beta Israel managed to flee to Israel during his tenure, it was an Israeli official in charge of the Ethiopian Jews' absorption who may best symbolize the insensitivity that an extreme minority of people once held. Yehuda Dominitz who served as Director General of the Jewish Agency's Department of Immigration and Absorption, declared in 1980 that, “[taking] a Falasha (sic) out of his village, it's like taking a fish out of water...I'm not in favor of bringing them [to Israel].” Dominitz also refused to allow his agency to rent buses so Ethiopian Jews in Israel could travel to Jerusalem to observe their ancient holiday of Seged (Dominitz eventually relented, but had the buses take the Beta Israel to Haifa instead of Jerusalem).

Malkah Raymist, a writer for the World Zionist Organization, wrote in 1956 in The Jewish Horizon (of the Hapoel Hamizrachi of America Movement) that, “the reasons [for not bringing Ethiopian Jews to Israel] are simple and weighty. On one hand, they are well off where they are, while their development and mental outlook is that of children; they could fall an easy prey of exploitation, if brought here without any preparation. On the other hand, being a backward element, they would be and it would take several years before they could be educated towards a minimum of progressive thinking.”

In an American Association for Ethiopian Jews (AAEJ) press release, the AAEJ quoted its founder, Dr. Graenum Berger, as criticizing those who sought any delay in the rescue of the Beta Israel. Berger declared, “Not when Jews are dying...these revelations show once again that the policy of influencing factions of the government of Israel always have been against the immigration of the Ethiopian Jews. And, the same people who controlled their immigration then are controlling it now. These are the same people who gave instructions to the Israeli Embassy in Ethiopia (1956-1973) not to issue immigration visas to any Jew from Ethiopia.”

Berger himself came under criticism for his outspoken remarks concerning the Israeli efforts to rescue the Beta Israel, showing that nobody was immune from the rhetoric surrounding the issue.



As the facts clearly show: David Icke is an ignorant, lying, fearmongering, hatemongering antisemitic moron............a lying sack of shit.............


MYTH
“Israel is pursuing a policy of genocide toward the Palestinians that is comparable to the Nazis’ treatment of the Jews.” top


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrights.html#9

FACT
This is perhaps the most odious claim made by Israel’s detractors. The Nazis’ objective was the systematic extermination of every Jew in Europe. Israel is seeking peace with its Palestinian neighbors. More than one million Arabs live as free and equal citizens in Israel. Of the Palestinians in the territories, 98 percent live under the civil administration of the Palestinian Authority. Israeli policies are designed to protect Israeli citizens—Jews and non-Jews—from the incessant campaign of terror. There has never been a plan to persecute, exterminate, or expel the Palestinian people.

In response to one such comparison, by a poet who referred to the “Zionist SS,” The New Republic’s literary editor Leon Wieseltier observed:

The view that Zionism is Nazism—there is no other way to understand the phrase “Zionist SS”—is not different in kind from the view that the moon is cheese. It is not only spectacularly wrong, it is also spectacularly unintelligent. I will not offend myself (that would be self-hate speech!) by patiently explaining why the State of Israel is unlike the Third Reich, except to say that nothing that has befallen the Palestinians under Israel’s control may responsibly be compared to what befell the Jews under Germany’s control, and that a considerable number of the people who have toiled diligently to find peace and justice for the Palestinians, and a solution to this savage conflict, have been Israeli, some of them even Israeli prime ministers. There is no support for the Palestinian cause this side of decency that can justify the locution “Zionist SS.” 41

The absurdity of the charge is also clear from the demography of the disputed territories. While detractors make outrageous claims about Israel committing genocide or ethnic cleansing, the Palestinian population has continued to grow exponentially. In Gaza, for example, the population increased from 731,000 in July 1994 to 1,657,155 in 2011, an increase of 127 percent. The growth rate was 3.2 percent, one of the highest in the world. The total Palestinian population in all the disputed territories (they include Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem) was 1,006,000 in 1950, 1,094,000 in 1970, and grew to 3,736,210 in 2011. 42


MYTH
“Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is similar to the treatment of blacks in apartheid South Africa.” top

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrights.html#8

FACT
Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934:

We do not want to create a situation like that which exists in South Africa, where the whites are the owners and rulers, and the blacks are the workers. If we do not do all kinds of work, easy and hard, skilled and unskilled, if we become merely landlords, then this will not be our homeland. 36

Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights and are represented in all the branches of government. Arabs are represented in the Knesset, and have served in the Cabinet, high-level foreign ministry posts (e.g., Ambassador to Finland) and on the Supreme Court.

Under apartheid, skin color determined every aspect of your life from birth until death. Black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they formed the overwhelming majority of the population. Laws dictated where they could live, work, go to school and travel. And, in South Africa, the government killed blacks who protested against its policies. By contrast, Israel allows freedom of movement, assembly and speech. Some of the government’s harshest critics are Israeli Arabs who are members of the Knesset.


“The difference between the current Israeli situation and apartheid South Africa is emphasized at a very human level: Jewish and Arab babies are born in the same delivery room, with the same facilities, attended by the same doctors and nurses, with the mothers recovering in adjoining beds in a ward. Two years ago I had major surgery in a Jerusalem hospital: the surgeon was Jewish, the anaesthetist was Arab, the doctors and nurses who looked after me were Jews and Arabs. Jews and Arabs share meals in restaurants and travel on the same trains, buses and taxis, and visit each other’s homes.

Could any of this possibly have happened under apartheid? Of course not.”

— Benjamin Pogrund 37


The situation of Palestinians in the territories is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip that are not necessary inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders. Israeli policy is not based on race, but is a result of Palestinian animosity. Palestinians in the territories dispute Israel’s right to exist, whereas blacks did not seek the destruction of South Africa, only the apartheid regime.

If Israel were to give Palestinians full citizenship, it would mean the territories had been annexed. No Israeli government has been prepared to take that step. Instead, through negotiations, Israel agreed to give the Palestinians increasing authority over their own affairs. It is likely that a final settlement will allow most Palestinians to become citizens of their own state. The principal impediment to Palestinian independence is not Israeli policy, it is the unwillingness of the Palestinian leadership to give up terrorism and agree to live in peace beside Israel.

Despite all their criticism, when asked what governments they admire most, more than 80 percent of Palestinians consistently said Israel because they can see up close the thriving democracy in Israel, and the rights the Arab citizens enjoy there. By contrast, Palestinians place Arab regimes, including their own Palestinian Authority, at the bottom. 38


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrights.html

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Post  true lilly on Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:19 am

"you" have "your" SPAM WAR, I'll just re-post what it is "you're" so desperate to bury.
Better than twiddling my thumbs while I'm too bothered and hot to do anything else.


Why NO Reviews of David Icke
PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?


The finances of DAVID ICKE are

To quote "tintin", "it's all connected".

Right, that's that sorted. Laughing

"Billy Ruben/Ciggy/et al" attacked me
for asking them to STOP PROMOTING CHILD SEX.

"cori" attacked me
for asking that "cori" STOP THREATENING PEOPLE
that DEMONS WILL GET THEIR CHILDREN,
then had me banned from DIF.

ATS banned me
for "connecting the dots" AND
SHOWING VICTIMS of PAEDOPHILES
that they COULD SURVIVE and THRIVE,
AND that 'those' caught in "Their" NETworks
CAN REPENT AND GET OUT, WITH GOD'S HELP.


And so it goes with
ALL WORLD WIDE WEB of DECEPTION
NETworking Forums, that I've dared to FREELY SHARE,
THE VERY BEST, REAL LIFE SAVING, NEWS.


But "they" NEED the world to buy the FALSE, TOO SHORT,
"out of Egypt" 'time line', BECAUSE IT CONvinceS people
that THE CREATOR of LIFE, AND PERFECT JUDGE,
"doesn't exist", and that "They" "won't have to pay" for
"Their" WILLINGLY EVIL ACTS.

But HE DOES EXIST and CAN'T LIE.
HE IS SIFTING and SORTING HIS CALLED OUT,
HIDDEN, LIVING MINORITY,

from the RUNNING AFTER and WORSHIPING
of FALSE 'gods' and FALSE 'prophets',
DEAD MAJORITY.

TAKE HEED. REPENT and LIVE.

Billy Ruben wrote:
McKallisti Of The Sods wrote:First Look At David Icke Remember Who You Are Book Cover...

Well The Cover Looks Like A Mish Mash Of All The Other Books...

I Bet The Content Is Too...

You're the solitary fan of True Lillys threads here,you'll love it in that case...


Not banning me, hardly makes sod a fan, more someone fishing for
something I'm supposed to know.

But while on the topic of David Icke/"TINTIN" trying to CONvince the world that
we aren't real, but only a part of some Alien Reptiles' Computer Matrix...


true lilly wrote:
Hackers steal trove of credit-card details



ANONYMOUS targets security giant and publishes list of clients,
including US Defence Department, Apple and Microsoft.

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I Googled "Dust"...and
considering "tintin's" CODE SPEAK and OBSESSION with
'Football'/SOCCER...oh, and "tintin's" many admissions that
"Sports" are a cover for "Secret, Out In The Open,
Coded Conversations"...oh, and "tintin's" RABID HATRED
of "the jews",and that "tintin" also tells us,
Australia/OZ is O'Zion, That Glorious Land Promised to
the regathered of all the Tribes of Israel AND those who
faithfully join them in Serving The Creator God...well,
I'd say this is worth a Very Close and Careful read:


'You cop a missile, you become
dust. You go to Perth, you lose 3-0
and you get some bad articles
… whatever Bill Shankly says, it's
peanuts.
'


December 31, 2011

"You cop a missile, you become dust. You go to Perth,
you lose 3-0 and you get some bad articles ... whatever Bill Shankly
says, it’s peanuts" ... Gold Coast United's coach, Miron Bleiberg. Photo: Getty Images


After the dangers of life in the Israeli navy, the football field holds no fear for Miron Bleiberg. Michael Cockerill reports.

THERE is a serious side to Miron Bleiberg. You
can see it in his face when he reminisces about his time in the Israeli
military. His eyes mist with a steely gaze, his features harden. Bill
Shankly's eternal quote, ''Some people believe football is a matter of
life and death … I can assure you it is much, much more important than
that'' comes up in conversation. ''I disagree with that,'' Bleiberg
says. He knows.


Not that long ago, Craig Moore described Bleiberg as a
''clown''. True enough, the Gold Coast United coach is larger than life.
Always has been. Unforgettable quotes fall off his tongue like
confetti. Bleiberg is almost constantly humorous, even when he doesn't
know it. He puts that down to the fact English is his second language.
But try to make him the butt of humour, and watch his smile disappear.
Bleiberg expects to be taken seriously, and deserves to be. ''Lizard''
formations, and all.


In his office at Gold Coast United headquarters, there
is a collection of framed photographs propped up against a wall. They're
not hung, because that would suggest permanency, and despite his close
relationship with Clive Palmer, Bleiberg knows coaches live on borrowed
time. It's the business he's in. He's been coaching for the past 29
years, ever since he got his first job, with Hapoel Kiryat Haim, at the
age of 28. Gold Coast United is his 11th job, the past 10 have been
since he arrived in Australia as a backpacker. That's why the
photographs can be packed up at a moment's notice. But he's proud of
them all the same.



Perspective ... Miron Bleiberg. Photo: Getty Images


Poignantly, there's a common theme. A shot of the
Melbourne Knights squad that won the NSL Cup in 1986. Success. A shot of
him signing autographs at the launch of the Brisbane Roar's debut
season in the A-League. ''You can't see it there, but the queue goes
back as far as that tree over there,'' he says. Ego. A photograph of him
standing between Charlie Miller and Jason Culina at a Gold Coast
training session, issuing instructions. ''They're two internationals,
and can you believe when I did the coaching course they failed me on the
midfield play?'' he fumes. Indignation. The theme is clear. Treat me
with respect. Bleiberg's A Licence from Football Federation Australia is
also framed, but he doesn't point it out. You don't have to ask to know
why.


Football may be the world game, but it's not worldly. The
cloistered, one-dimensional atmosphere that pervades a dressing room
has never been Bleiberg's style. He accepts it, and understands it. But
he doesn't believe in it. To him the school of life is the experience
that matters. He arrived in coaching from a unconventional direction.
And it's those lessons that are his bedrock. An A Licence is a
certificate, but that's about all.


So what are those lessons? Unlike the archetypal football
professional, Bleiberg doesn't come from working-class stock. His
father owned an engineering firm, his mother was an architect.


He was educated at the Hebrew Reali School in Haifa, one
of Israel's oldest private schools. A school that spits out business
leaders, heart specialists, military generals, one president (Ezer
Weizman), and, occasionally, future Israeli internationals such as
Yochanan Vollach.


Bleiberg wanted to be a professional footballer, and
perhaps could have been. ''I was a speedy left winger with a good touch
and a good cross,'' he says, with typical immodesty. When he was ''three
or four'', his father began taking him to watch Maccabi Haifa, the team
of the port city's elite. ''My mum was sculpturing, she was an artist
or whatever, and she wanted the peace and quiet on a Saturday afternoon,
so the deal was my dad would take me to the football,'' Bleiberg
laughs. Pretty soon he was more a player than a fan, graduating through
the youth teams until at the age of 16, he was training with the Maccabi
first team squad. But when he was 18, the time came to leave school and
start his compulsory military training. Bleiberg wasn't one of the two
young players given special dispensation to combine a military career
with a football one. ''I knew right then that my chances of being a
professional were over,'' he says. ''The two players who got picked
ahead of me went on to play for Israel, so they were better than me.''


Bleiberg did continue playing while he was in the navy,
and was twice selected in the Armed Services All-Stars team. On his days
off, he would hang out with his friends, playing five-a-side on Haifa
beach in games that included a young Ronnie Rosenthal. ''I knew when I
got together with the football guys, I wasn't that far behind him,'' he
says. But, as always, the demands of his military service came first.


Bleiberg spent five years in the Israeli navy, rising to
the rank of captain. He commanded patrol boats and missile boats,
covering the coastline from Haifa to the Sinai, and also the Red Sea. He
hasn't signed any confidentiality agreement, but there's an unwritten
rule that when you leave the service, you don't go into details. But it
was, literally, life and death. And as he talks about it, that's when
you see Bleiberg's serious side.


''You cop a missile, you become dust,'' he recalls.
''It's not that you go to Adelaide, you go to Perth, you lose 3-0 and
you get some bad articles. Every activity you do is a life-threatening
situation. That's why for me, whatever Bill Shankly says, it's
peanuts.''


So how close did Bleiberg come to the edge? ''You're
searching for fishing boats, and every boat can be one of the three,''
he says. ''One, they can be real fishing boat. Two, they can be a drug
smuggler. Or three, they can be a weapons smuggler. When you tell them
to stop, you're going to do a search, you don't know if there is someone
hiding in the engine room. As an officer, you go first. Maybe there is
some terrorist hiding behind the generator, and he gets panic. Usually
he go with the hands up, but maybe you're in a dark room, he panic, he
shoot at you, he blow you up. You don't know. You're waiting for the
hands to come up, and you're sweating. I was lucky, I never got hurt.
But I got friends that died.''


Perhaps the closest Bleiberg came to death was during his
first two years of training. Torture, he calls it. ''You learn to take
your body to the extreme, and learn how much you can take,'' he says.
''Maybe that's why sometimes I'm tough with my players.''


So how tough was it? ''It's winter, maybe 5 degrees, you
go to sleep at 2 o'clock, after night activity, and you wake up after
two hours sleep, so you can go to a swim with your full uniform in the
sea, with the temperature which is probably zero, then you stay with
your wet clothes all day. Just to give you an example. Or you go to a
40-kilometre march when you have to carry someone all the time on a
stretcher with a wooden handle. By the end of it your shoulder is not
blue, it's green from the pain. Every 10km you get five minutes rest. In
this five minutes, you put your head on the bitumen and you fall asleep
because you're dead. For me, even now, I can fall asleep on the beach
on the spot without a pillow.'' That's tough.


AUSTRALIA, then, has been a breeze. Bleiberg left the
military and went to university to study commerce before departing on a
world tour with his partner, who's now his wife. There was a sense of
adventure, but also a sense of pacifism. Coaching came early, almost by
accident, after he bumped into a childhood friend, Itzhak Segal, who
encouraged him to sign up for a course in Tel Aviv. Bleiberg topped the
course, and by the next year was an instructor. ''I decided, basically, I
was a very good coach,'' he says. ''One of the ingredients you need is
natural leadership ingredients, natural charisma. If I didn't have all
this … it wouldn't matter if I went to the military, or I went to
university.''


It's Australia where all those life lessons have
coalesced into Bleiberg's coaching career. It might have been Europe,
and Bleiberg says: ''Even as we speak now, I can get a job in Israel. In
Australia, we struggle compared to rugby league and Aussie rules, but I
am happy to suffer for this one because you can sit in the dugout,
there is no violence towards you as a coach, you don't have to leave
with a police escort because your team is losing. That's why I've never
been tempted to go back. I'm happy to work in a non-violent environment,
because I'm a non-violent person. I saw enough killing; I came to
Australia to get away from all this. Can you imagine in Israel, you're
sitting there and the supporter is five metres away, and you're too
scared to look backwards?''


Bleiberg regularly returns to Israel to catch up with
school friends, navy friends. He doesn't advertise the fact he's a
football coach, because many of them are high achievers in more serious
pursuits. He loves going back to Haifa, but as of next year he will have
spent as much time in Australia as Israel, so it's Australia that is
now his real home. World Cup final, Australia versus Israel?
''Australia,'' he replies. ''I feel attached. I don't even know the
line-up of Israel any more.''


Bleiberg has been good for football here, and Australia
has been good to him. When he leaves the 26th floor of his Main Beach
apartment every morning, he could take the short cut to training down
the highway, or take the slow way along the esplanade to Broadbeach. He
always takes the coast road. ''It reminds me why I love this country so
much,'' he says.




Bleiberg doesn't need football for a living - his floor
covering business and property development have made him wealthy. He
coaches because he loves it, and it's what he does best. Bleiberg is
quick to acknowledge ''life is good''. Asked if he's the most relaxed
coach in world football, he responds: ''I'm probably in the top 5 per
cent.'' But don't think he's getting soft in his old age. On Boxing Day,
the win over one of his old clubs, Brisbane Roar, got Gold Coast off
the bottom. Tonight they face league leaders the Mariners in Gosford.


''I'm ambitious, I want to win. It hurt me that I'm
bottom of the ladder,'' he says. ''I like other coaches, but this week
I'm hating Graham Arnold. Next week, I'll give him all the respect he
deserves.''


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P.S. the only things I changed from how the article copied,
was to highlight the date, close up the spaces between paragraphs,
and remove the (ANTI)social media=twittering idiots, links.

Oh, it's also interesting that both Google Web and Images
offer NOTHING on their first pages of
THE AMERICAN DUST-BOWL, or NORTH AFRICAN Homes
and Villages being BURIED UNDER Sand OFTEN and
SUDDENLY (like overnight), but AGAIN, make Australia
'look like' a 'waterless, unlivable, dust plagued desert'. Rolling Eyes

But, Google Images DOES offer THIS:


SmartDust & Ubiquitious Computing
http://www.nanotech-now.com/smartdust.htm

Last Updated: Saturday, 27-Jun-2009 22:35:48 PDT
Source: What 'Smart Dust' Could Do for You Zillah Bahar, June 2001.

The Generations of Smart Dust Motes
As created by the Berkeley Sensor & Actuator Center
Click images to enlarge


Golem Dust

solar powered mote with bi-directional communications and sensing
(acceleration and ambient light) 11.7 mm3 total circumscribed volume
~4.8 mm3 total displaced volume


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Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
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AEC admits it can't establish
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Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.


Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.


It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.


Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.


Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.


There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.


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Post  MoMo on Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:04 pm

Common Facts About Australians

An Aussie sheila performing surprise buttsecks as part of her homeland's annual Root a Roo event. Yiff in hell,

Ausfurrians.Enjoy throwing their shrimps (it's prawns you fucking seppo chump) on barbies.

Constantly get wasted on tons of their Australian beer.

Have only 5 internets connections.

Are the world's greatest nuclear threat and the world's biggest polluters, which is hilarious given how erratic and deadly their climate already is. Enjoy your Road Warrior wasteland.

Abort their young soon after birth via dingoes, and have now gained the ability to throw 4 year old children off bridges.

All live in the desert holding knives 24/7 with accents thicker than Ron Jeremy on benzadrine.

Are all racist closet klansman with a tendency to riot.

flippin\' heck kangaroos at every given opportunity to keep up with New Zealand sheep fucking.

Kill thousands of innocent stingrays because Steve Irwin was fucking stupid enough to touch one.

Are fat, lazy, stupid cunts.

All the women are named Sheila, Shazza, Suzi Wuzi or Cheryl.

Most blokes (men folk) are named Bazza, Robbo, or Poida.

Australian culture is a fusion of the very worst American, British and Irish traits.

Australian women cumdumpsters are hot as flippin\' heck (especially Danni and Kylie), which is a redundant statement.

Are all part of the chemo that is curing /b/.

Think that the rest of the world thinks Aussies are awesome, but when they go overseas discover that everyone else thinks they are the absurd joke of humanity.




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Post  true lilly on Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:44 pm

So, at DIF, in the 'Today's News' Section,
'they' make a New Sub-Forum of:

US Presidential Election News 2012
but during Australia's Federal Election,
they shove my thread in 'General Chat',
and BAN ME FROM POSTING IN 'Their'
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Post  true lilly on Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:52 pm

Here we go, just a little evidence that "tintin" does NOT 'DECODE',
but rather, USES CODE TO SECRETLY COMMUNICATE, in public.

Now I find so many of these, by "tintin", "cori" and others, that
it is hard to decide where to start and stop, in showing folk.

But I will ask people to just have a random scroll through some
of "tintin/cori's" earlier and later posts, to SEE HOW OFTEN 'they'
CHANGE what 'they' 'link' and what 'they' 'say something means'.

Two main reasons for this: when an old CODE is "BROKEN", 'they'
need a NEW CODE; when 'SITUATIONS' CHANGE, so do ORDERS.

Well it isn't only the physical earth and 'MOUNTAINS' that are now
SHAKING, but 'MOUNTAINS' of 'power' built by men of DUST, so,
lots of coded chatter is going on.

But as I've always stated, codes and puzzles are NOT 'my thing',
but rather, patterns and breaks and anomalies in patterns that
INDICATE when "OTHER THINGS" ARE BEING "SAID".

And as I've also always stated, I KNOW GOD HAS ALWAYS had
HIS 'CALLED OUT' doing their parts, big and small (and often,
not being aware of it at the time), in FULFILLING HIS PROMISES.

Among them, ARE, CODE BREAKERS.

I pray they are onto THIS:


tintin wrote:BONANZA adressed RACISM. Uniquely for that time
Quote:
Bigotry, and specifically anti-semitism, was the subject of the episode
"Look to the Stars" (Season 3, Episode 26; original air date 18/3/62).

ANTISEMITISM was the subject of episode 92.
It was aired on 18 MARCH, birthday AJAX AMSTERDAM aka THE JEWS.
Episode 92 was LOOK TO THE STARS. (of DAVID)

PAKISTAN, code 92. Founded by JINNAH, dead 11 SEPTEMBER.
BEN CARTWRIGHT played by LORNE GREENE, dead 11 SEPTEMBER
BIN LADEN dead in PAKISTAN.
_________________________________________________________________

Now let me draw your attention, with some underlines and
blue and red font, to what can NOT be passed off as a typo, mistake,
or any of 'their' cover stories used when 'they' are busted.


26. Yet he 'plays down' and 'hides behind' bigger red font, 62,
then proceeds to CHANGE 26 to 92?


And, keeping in mind how 'flexible' "tintin/cori" are with "their"
flipping, reversing, shuffling and changing of LETTERS and NUMBERS
(like 'making' 26 'mean' 'NEDA DEAD' 'from' a "206" Peugeot that she
was NOT EVEN IN, when
SNIPER SHOT TO DEATH), in order to "SAY
WHAT 'THEY' SECRETLY MEAN"... 9+2=11...
...read on:

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060511098&postcount=33449
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3345
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BONANZA adressed RACISM. Uniquely for that time
Quote:
Bigotry, and specifically anti-semitism, was the subject of the episode
"Look to the Stars" (Season 3, Episode 26; original air date 18/3/62).

ANTISEMITISM was the subject of episode 92.
It was aired on 18 MARCH, birthday AJAX AMSTERDAM aka THE JEWS.
Episode 92 was LOOK TO THE STARS. (of DAVID)

PAKISTAN, code 92. Founded by JINNAH, dead 11 SEPTEMBER.
BEN CARTWRIGHT played by LORNE GREENE, dead 11 SEPTEMBER
BIN LADEN dead in PAKISTAN.
Interesting (to me, and noted by others), that BOTH times I was
savagely beaten into hospital, 8 months apart, was ON The 26th.

The second time being on 26/1, AUSTRALIA DAY.

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