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Post  Lady Tis-Shine on Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:11 am

Well as I have a section of forum for myself, I thought I will write an open letter to Mr David Icke on a weekly basis. cthulhu

They broke the mould when they made you, and it was important that Pamela helped you in getting that LOAN (which was not her money to begin with). You, Mr David Icke are a true poet and scholar who is controversial, sexy and extremely intelligent, and yes The Moon itself is a planetoid.
I hope that the donations are coming into your bank account quickly and I hope that the person behind this disgusting court case will suffer badly. What your followers should do is have weekly car boot sale pitches to get rid of their junk to collect money for your worth cause. You are a great man who is always a clear quartz man of a crystal.
You take care and sleep well Mr David Icke. cthulhu
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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:32 pm

His weekly Newsletter this week was a good 'un.
About Pine Gap.That electromagnetic field,it's not just to make you feel woozey,it's to stop psychics and remote viewers.It's what I call,astral snares,or traps...psychic fly-paper.


David Icke Newsletter Preview

MIND THE GAP …


... PINE GAP

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

‘Mind the gap’ is a phrase delivered loudly and with a strange slow and deliberate delivery at many London underground stations, as in ‘mind the gap between the platform and the train, please’. But this week I have been close to another ‘gap’ that is rather more sinister. I mean sinister, as in global importance sinister. We should ‘mind’ this ‘gap’ even more.

I spent a night in Alice Springs in Australia's Northern Territories and a short drive from there is Pine Gap, one of the most significant underground facilities on the planet. It is located some twelve miles from the very centre of Australia and began operations in 1966. I was driven out to the base to get a ‘feel’ for the place. That is all you can really do, because you are told to turn back before you even see the entrance to the base. We drove on past the turn-back sign until we could see the main gate, but even that is well forward of the facility itself.

I say facility – there is very little on the surface. I had a great view from my aircraft when I flew back to Alice Springs and all you can see are a series of ‘domes’ or ‘balls’ known as ‘radomes’, and a few buildings here and there. Everything else is underground and this ‘everything else’ is massive. It is reckoned to go down at least 12 levels with long tunnels going out in all directions to who knows where. Work is obviously ongoing, too. A resident told me that enormous amounts of concrete are being delivered to the base at this time.

All of us in the car that got close enough to see the entrance had the same feeling of being drained of energy and experiencing headaches and I am sure we were either hit by some electromagnetic device or simply that an electromagnetic field is being beamed from the base into the near vicinity. Certainly for all of us to feel the same confirmed that one or the other is true.


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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:33 pm

Be there at night Mr Icke...20 kms away,watch the light vehicles fly...

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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Lady Tis-Shine on Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:38 pm

My weekly message to you Mr Icke is this:
Thank your lucky stars that you are not sectioned and you are talking to the 'masses' in Wembley Arena soon? Anyway, you have disgusted me with that forum of yours and anyway, I am NEVER returning to that place again.
Here is a prediction photo of the Wembley Arena talk.

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Post  mugglez on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:42 pm

LADY ANGERESS wrote:My weekly message to you Mr Icke is this:
Thank your lucky stars that you are not sectioned and you are talking to the 'masses' in Wembley Arena soon? Anyway, you have disgusted me with that forum of yours and anyway, I am NEVER returning to that place again.
Here is a prediction photo of the Wembley Arena talk.

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lmao
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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Lady Tis-Shine on Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:19 pm

I do not mean that and anyway, my Brilliant Blogs are back in business and I am talking the talk. Anyway here is a vintage post from yours truly. cthulhu

http://talesofconspricaracyideas.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html
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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Billy Ruben on Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:26 am

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:I do not mean that and anyway, my Brilliant Blogs are back in business and I am talking the talk. Anyway here is a vintage post from yours truly. cthulhu

http://talesofconspricaracyideas.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.html


rolf

Erm...
Tiswas...I hate to break it to you,but I sent I Am a pm with a link to this thread about them and Icke going for a drive near Pine Gap.

I'd dare say,at least I am,or even Icke may have seen this thread.

Best not to reactivate your account as Starshine.


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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Lady Tis-Shine on Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:33 am

What do you mean Lover? Icke or I Am has read this thread? |Oh I get it they think I am taking the piss but let me say this to Icke, I amd a host of other followers are his bredad and butter. If they want to still keep me inactive over there, than so be it because I like to say my viewpoints in a honest way.
I am thinking of doing my version of the newsletter but with my own words, not Icke copywrited words for it will be good and thought-provoking. cthulhu
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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Billy Ruben on Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:41 am

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:What do you mean Lover? Icke or I Am has read this thread? |Oh I get it they think I am taking the piss but let me say this to Icke, I amd a host of other followers are his bredad and butter. If they want to still keep me inactive over there, than so be it because I like to say my viewpoints in a honest way.
I am thinking of doing my version of the newsletter but with my own words, not Icke copywrited words for it will be good and thought-provoking. cthulhu


I'm shit-stirring you in a funny way...Hold your horses there madam,the post above,where you say Icke's lucky not to be sectioned,I was fucking Laughing my head off....I'm so used to seeing love,devotion and sometimes,sexual arousal,it just split my sides laughing when I read that.

Wish I was a guru conspiratainer,I'd love a nice lady to beg me to fuck her in the arse and slap her at the back of the head.

I did'nt just make friends cause it's the right thing to do,despite how we started (at each others throats),I'll admit it,you got me right off,imagining this red haired goth chick....,taking it up the arse,slapped on the back of the head,screaming obscenities,yeah,not up the chutney chute though,vaginal is nice.

But you're married and happy...Damn

And I'm a loser nobody,so no kinky groupies for me,madam.


boobies damn lol!


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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Sothis on Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:45 am

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:What do you mean Lover? Icke or I Am has read this thread? |Oh I get it they think I am taking the piss but let me say this to Icke, I amd a host of other followers are his bredad and butter. If they want to still keep me inactive over there, than so be it because I like to say my viewpoints in a honest way.
I am thinking of doing my version of the newsletter but with my own words, not Icke copywrited words for it will be good and thought-provoking. cthulhu

So what you will do is use his newsletter and change the words around
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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  sharky on Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:36 am

Undercover at David Ickes Forum lmao thumbs up rolf


David Ickes Forum remains a cess pool of fearmongering and hate mongering justified by false, bullshit propaganda..................normally I'm very optimistic, but with the amount of shit 4 brainz idiots posting there, peace on earth is yet far off............I really feel sorry for these fools and the Icke management team has proven themselves to be deceitful, hatemongering, fear mongering Nazi Zombies.................. cheers wave

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YO!!!!!! ZOMBIE NAZIS..................................





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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Lady Tis-Shine on Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:32 pm

Coph Nia wrote:
MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:What do you mean Lover? Icke or I Am has read this thread? |Oh I get it they think I am taking the piss but let me say this to Icke, I amd a host of other followers are his bredad and butter. If they want to still keep me inactive over there, than so be it because I like to say my viewpoints in a honest way.
I am thinking of doing my version of the newsletter but with my own words, not Icke copywrited words for it will be good and thought-provoking. cthulhu

So what you will do is use his newsletter and change the words around

Yeah that is what I will do but I will not infringe COPYWRITE but I will make a summary of HIS newsletters so that outsiders will love to read the proper words from the man himself. cthulhu
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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  sharky on Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:22 pm



DARKNESS WITHIN: Neo-Nazi conspiracy theorists at the heart of Occupy Melbourne protest

http://www.vexnews.com/2011/10/darkness-within-neo-nazi-conspiracy-theorists-at-the-heart-of-occupy-melbourne-protest/

VEXNEWS can reveal that Tina Athanasopoulos, a key organiser of the Occupy Melbourne is a devotee of a bizarre anti-Semitic neo-Nazi conspiracy theorist David Icke. But more of that later.

Occupy Melbourne ended predictably.

Even small-l liberal inner-city Melbourne had thought the protesters had had a good run, longer than some of its less successful artistic offerings and that it was time for it to decently conclude.

MESSED OPPORTUNITY
It was a missed opportunity for the mostly naive extremists – and their Greens party allies – to honour their commitments and leave declaring some kind of imaginary success over ‘the man’. Instead, in the manner of the spoiled child, they blocked tram lines used by workers to get home and fouled up the City Square, leaving it for Council workers to clean up.


If empowering the “99%” against the “1%” was really the aim, they used and abused a lot of innocent “99%” victims along the way to make a point that no-one has yet articulated and no-one comprehends. For reasons we shall see, some of what lurked behind Occupy Melbourne was much smellier than even the most unwashed sleeping bag.

Naturally the chancers in the increasingly cynical and sleazy Greens political party sniffed the opportunity over the body odour.

A self-appointed leader of the gathering, whose involvement in funny-money “charity” schemes in the past prompt real questions about his own corporate greed that he has failed to answer, Nick Carson was a Greens party political candidate at the last state election and continues as a member.

POWER BANDT
Their current MP for Melbourne, Dr Adam Bandt PhD, who is so nervous about holding his seat that he had his party spend $10,000 of taxpayer-generated funds on Galaxy opinion-polling to rebut claims he was doing a woeful job as a local MP because he’s a regular no-show at community events and has alienated many community groups in inner-Melbourne, jumped all over the Occupy Melbourne sleeping bag, declaring it was a “blunder” to move the protesters on.

Bandt was supportive of Occupy Melbourne, opining:

“It is no wonder that people are protesting. The richest 20% of households in Australian have 60 times the wealth of the poorest 20% of Australians. CEOs are getting huge pay increases and banks are posting record profits.”

But Bandt is part of the problem of which he complains. He is Mr 1% in a suit with a smug grin. He flies first class, at taxpayer expense. He employed his girlfriend in his MP’s office at public expense. He then got her another cushy job. He is paid nearly $4000 a week to serve as an MP. He is chauffeured around to the airport in a V8 luxo-barge ComCar.

He does not eat his own mung-bean cooking of the revolution.

And who could blame him?

KEEPING IT REAL
We don’t think MP’s are paid excessively or should lose perks that perhaps slightly compensate for all the crap that gets thrown at them but we do ask wannabe revolutionaries to be consistent and live the words they preach.

That Socialist Party Yarra councillor Steve Jolly is a shocker. He wants to reinstate socialism in the world, despite a rather embarrassing experiment where whole countries were held back in a mire of waste and indolence for decades with millions of people sent to gulags, persecuted and murdered by the system that pretended to be a “worker’s paradise”. In PR terms, we might call this something of a setback, perhaps slightly “diminishing brand equity” as they might say on St Kilda Road.

But Jolly slings back his council honorarium – and is apparently required to by his comrades – to the party whose dead horse he so sincerely flogs and only receives a “living wage.”

If the Greens did that rather than pretend to be groovy revolutionaries while flying around like pampered poodles, they’d be more convincing. Jolly may be wrong but the Greens are wrong while being frauds of the most outrageous kind.

WORKERS UNITED WILL NEVER BE DEFEATED
Meanwhile, there are workers who do it tough. One group of them – highly unionised – have very high levels of workplace injury and trauma. Most of them get around $60,000 to $70,000 per annum, maybe a little more with overtime. They risk their lives, many of them, every time they go out on the job.

Yep, it’s the Police.

They are working people.

But state Greens MP Colleen Hartland wasn’t impressed. She told her friends at The Age:

“Police in riot gear just started to push me and once that happened I decided that I would be joining in.”

They were doing their job. They did so very cautiously, deliberately and responsibly in circumstances that ought never have been necessary because the protesters ought to have packed up, cheered themselves through the drizzle and declared a victory of some kind over the “man.”

It’s worth contemplating why they didn’t.

It’s because at the heart of the leadership of Occupy Melbourne were the truly, raving mad. And, even worse, vile and dangerous anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.

A key Occupy Melbourne organiser was Tina Athanasopoulos. She set up its Facebook page, gave interviews on 3CR representing them and so on.

And who is this Tina Athanasopoulos?

She’s a devotee of David Icke. VEXNEWS has obtained Facebook entries made by her in a private David Icke group, where she assured members of his group that she was a central player in the Occupy Melbourne and that she would ensure Icke’s views were advanced.

David Icke, apparently touring the nation at the moment, is a leading conspiracy theorist who expounds views including according to Wikipedia:

At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie

Ominously:

According to Barkun, Icke has actively tried to cultivate the far right. In 1996, he spoke to a conference in Reno, Nevada, alongside opponents of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act—which mandates background checks on people who buy guns in the United States—including Kirk Lyons, a white nationalist lawyer who has represented the Ku Klux Klan. Barkun argues that the relationship between Icke, the militias, and the Christian Patriots is complex because of the New Age baggage Icke brings with him, and he stresses that Icke is not actually a member of any of these groups, but he has nevertheless absorbed the world view of the radical right virtually intact.

and, as such, he doesn’t think much of the Jews:

In The Robots’ Rebellion (1994), Icke introduced the idea that the Global Elite’s plan for world domination was laid out in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a hoax published in Russia in 1903, which supposedly presented a plan by the Jewish people to take over the world. The Protocols is the most influential piece of antisemitic material of modern times, portraying the Jewish people as cackling villains from a Saturday matinee, as Jon Ronson put it in his documentary about Icke, David Icke, the Lizards and the Jews (2001)

These are the dogs that elected Greens party politicians have – hopefully unwittingly – associated themselves with. Little wonder those who attended Occupy Melbourne were left scratching at fleas afterwards.


wat to go Icke Reichmeister.............. thumbs up lmao rolf
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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Sothis on Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:35 am

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:
Coph Nia wrote:
MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:What do you mean Lover? Icke or I Am has read this thread? |Oh I get it they think I am taking the piss but let me say this to Icke, I amd a host of other followers are his bredad and butter. If they want to still keep me inactive over there, than so be it because I like to say my viewpoints in a honest way.
I am thinking of doing my version of the newsletter but with my own words, not Icke copywrited words for it will be good and thought-provoking. cthulhu

So what you will do is use his newsletter and change the words around

Yeah that is what I will do but I will not infringe COPYWRITE but I will make a summary of HIS newsletters so that outsiders will love to read the proper words from the man himself. cthulhu

So essentially you dont have your own mind, you just repeat the words of the man you lust after. How sad
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Post  Lady Tis-Shine on Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:40 am

Typical post from Marpat as per usual!!! How Dare YOu for being an Ickester embraces using one's mind OK.
No the newsletters will not be Icke word's but mine instead but it will talk about the subject in my very special Tiswas way for all and sundry to listen and learn about. cthulhu
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Post  Sothis on Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:10 pm

MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:Typical post from Marpat as per usual!!! How Dare YOu for being an Ickester embraces using one's mind OK.
No the newsletters will not be Icke word's but mine instead but it will talk about the subject in my very special Tiswas way for all and sundry to listen and learn about. cthulhu

Im sure you will keep people rivetted whistle

Being an Ickster usually entails following his work and only accepting sources that he promotes rather than looking at material that might contradict and really educate. The fact that he thought an Egyptian wall painting of an vase was really an alien speaks so much for using his own mind. At the very least it proves he makes no effort to prove, check or correct his sources but uses the material verbatim, regardless of how accurate it is. This is not the method of a person seeking after truth or trying to help others.
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Post  MoMo on Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:45 pm

Coph Nia wrote:
MRS TISWAS PALMER wrote:Typical post from Marpat as per usual!!! How Dare YOu for being an Ickester embraces using one's mind OK.
No the newsletters will not be Icke word's but mine instead but it will talk about the subject in my very special Tiswas way for all and sundry to listen and learn about. cthulhu

Im sure you will keep people rivetted whistle

Being an Ickster usually entails following his work and only accepting sources that he promotes rather than looking at material that might contradict and really educate. The fact that he thought an Egyptian wall painting of an vase was really an alien speaks so much for using his own mind. At the very least it proves he makes no effort to prove, check or correct his sources but uses the material verbatim, regardless of how accurate it is. This is not the method of a person seeking after truth or trying to help others.

well said, icke is shitz 4 brainz......... lmao . thumbs up

true lilly wrote:General Chat

...if I can't have a thread there,

then THIS, SHOULD NOT BE HERE!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=MaCSKxzgtKA&NR=1

Hey Icke!!!!! yeah you...........who do you think your bullshittin? some mental midget shit 4 brainz?.

Icke is a deluded and dangerous demagogue..........
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. H. L. Mencken

He is a hatemongering, fearmongering liar.

He claims he is not antisemitic, then he goes on to lie and demonize the Jews and Israel.......who is he kidding besides himself? The useful idiots that hang on everyone of his words?
http://www.davidicke.com/articles/political-manipulation-mainmenu-72/42734-they-dare-not-speak-its-name-rothschild-zionism

David Icke Myth: Rothschild Zionism in its public expression is a political ideology based on a homeland for Jewish people in Palestine and a belief that the Jews are God's 'chosen race' with a God-given right to the 'promised land' of Israel (historically this is nonsense, as I show in my books)


The only thing he has shown in his books is he is an antisemitic gullible fool....... lmao
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFindex.html
MYTH
“The Jews have no claim to the land they call Israel.”

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFroots.html#1

A common misperception is that all the Jews were forced into the Diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. and then, 1,800 years later, the Jews suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.

The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.


David Icke Myth: They have sought to sell the 'Zionism-means-all-Jewish-people' lie so that they can condemn as 'anti-Semites' and 'racists' anyone who exposes the truth about Rothschild Zionism and its agents in government, banking, business, media, military etc.

Read this daveyboy:
http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/Against_Zionists_not_Jews.htm

http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/

Zionism is the national self determination movement of the Jewish people. Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people, in Israel. Zionism is the Jewish people's instantiation of the human right of self determination. 99% of Jews are supportive of the existance of the Jewish state - that makes them Zionists..............In summary
Almost all Jews (99%) are infact Zionists, but the definition Zionists (and infact almost all Jewish anti-Zionists) themselves use. If you use an antisemic defintion such as Zionism as Racist you can of course invent statistics as you please.
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Hey davey, this is pure 100% unadulterated bullshit......that makes you a lying sack of shit.

David Icke Myth:The world's most extreme racists are, after all, the Rothschild Zionists, anyway. Israel is an apartheid state every bit as much as were apartheid South Africa and apartheid America.

The Facts

Comparison of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict with Apartheid South AfricaThese days it is becoming very popular to compare the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict with apartheid South Africa prior to 1994. It is an odious comparison wreaked with many half-truths and clichés. Both situations are so different that when one examines the situation one can note major differences. The idea of using this comparison is to delegitimize Israel's right to exist within secure and recognized borders and to justify the Palestinian methods of terror in order to destroy Israel.


In apartheid South Africa prior to 1994 before the first democratic elections in South Africa 's history, there was this odious apartheid system. Its main purpose was to maintain white minority rule at all costs and to keep the black majority disenfranchised and without basic human rights. These blacks were a reservoir of cheap labour to operate the white economy and to ensure white prosperity at their expense. Blacks had suffered immense injustice under this system. White South African Government spending on black education and their general community welfare was minimal. The gap between the black situation then and slavery was not very large.

Social intercourse between whites and blacks in those days was a relationship between the white master and the black, underpaid servant. The situation for non-white people was intolerable and even cruel. It was against the law for Blacks to travel freely in the country of their birth except if they had a pass (dompas) from the white authorities. After 9.00 p.m., there was a curfew and blacks were forbidden in the streets after that dreaded hour in many towns. These people were not terrorists. They were not people who threatened the whites in any way. Denial of their basic human rights was commonplace. There was the dreaded Immorality Act, which prevented mixed marriages and sex beyond the colour bar. Those who contravened the law were imprisoned. There were separate public facilities for blacks and whites. Laws forbade blacks to eat in white restaurants. Separate transport facilities, which resulted in overcrowded conditions in buses and trains, were part of this evil, cruel system. It was common to see police officers abusing and ill treating blacks for not having their pass (identity or reference book) on their person when being searched. The police pushed them into the back of the police van, and drove them to the police station where they spent a night in the lock up cell. Usually their white employers bailed out these unfortunate persons when they produced a permit that they were in his employ legally. Blacks could not purchase property in white areas, as this was a contravention of the notorious Group Areas Act.

Anybody who opposed the apartheid system in those days – especially if he was black – was accused of being an agitator or communist. The police arrested him for 90 days without trial or recourse to a lawyer. This was increased later to 180 days detention and the police officer even had the power to keep a person imprisoned indefinitely without trial. These incidents occurred during the period of 1950 – 1990. Apartheid was at its zenith in those years. It was illegal to criticise the white government for its apartheid practices. There was limited criticism in those days by white opposition parties in parliament. However, the law controlled the limit of legal criticism. The abuse of prisoners for obtaining information was legal and encouraged. The police tortured the famous black leader, Steve Biko, to death when he was in prison for "anti-apartheid crimes" in 1977.

The majority of South African citizens was against apartheid and wanted to be part of a multi racial South Africa . The leaders of the liberation movements never spoke of destroying the white man and denying him rights in South Africa. Their fight was a justified fight for freedom and human rights as well as equality before the law.

If one were to contrast that with the situation in the Middle East, it is different. Israel 's Arab neighbours threatened her from the day of her establishment in 1948. There was never a desire to recognise Israel 's right to exist. What has this to do with South African style apartheid? Where is the comparison?

The blacks in their liberation struggle never targeted innocent people by suicide bombings or terror. There were sporadic incidents by some black extremists, but the mainstream liberation movements in South Africa went underground. Their leaders, who were living in exile, condemned this violence.

Perhaps, there may be a vague parallel of apartheid in the occupied territories since June 1967. The occupation is a complex problem that is the result of a war foisted onto Israel . Israel, being militarily superior, occupied territory in the Six Day War of June 1967 and made the fatal mistake of encouraging Jewish settlements there when it was obvious that there was no Arab partner who was willing to sign a peace treaty insuring the return of occupied territory as part of an overall peace agreement. The occupation and rule of the Palestinians is a tragic result of the wars that Israel fought for her survival/

However, had there been a willing partner on the Arab side who would come to terms with Israel's existence the seemingly "apartheid-like" situation would not have occurred. Israel never wished to conquer another people. This is contrary to the apartheid South African situation whereby the whites ruled and oppressed the blacks by force. They denied them their basic human rights. The intifida of 2000 resulted in a heavy spate of suicide violence against innocent Israelis, which resulted in heavy Israeli Army retaliation against armed Palestinian terrorists. The Palestinian terrorist groups had declared war on Israel and in a war; innocent people on both sides die and suffer.

The difference is that in South Africa both Whites and Blacks realized that their fate is dependent on one another. Both realised the importance of sitting down and negotiating a transitional period to end apartheid. Both sides were determined to rebuild the new democratic, multiracial South Africa . This feeling of mutual desire to end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is lacking. The Palestinians have embarked on the road of terror and suicide bombings.

This is their chosen path. It differs from the path that the freedom fighters in South Africa chose. Here there is no desire to come to terms with Israel 's existence that was always a "thorn" in Palestinian flesh. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have made this perfectly clear to the world. Their manifesto is no example in building an alternative democratic Palestinian society in a state replacing Israel.

Is there not a similarity to Nazism in the Hamas manifesto? Many Palestinian observers in the UN Security council accuse Israel of genocide. Is the Hamas Manifesto not promoting genocide of the Jewish People? Compare this to the ideals of those who opposed and fought the cruel racist regime of White South Africa during those evil, apartheid years. Their fight was a fight to attain equality for all South Africans irrespective of their skin colour. This is not the case in the Israel-Palestinian dispute. Here there is no desire in Palestinian street, as represented by Hamas and company, to come to terms with Israel's existence – let alone negotiate a peace treaty, which would eventually lead to the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel . Genocide is more part of the lexicon of the Palestinian terrorist groups than in Israel . Perhaps from this point of view, there is a similarity between the Palestinians and the dominating whites of apartheid South Africa . Both peoples oppressed their citizens and denied them basic human rights. Both regimes were corrupt and were involved in feathering their own nests.

The similarity of apartheid South Africa to the Palestinian Authority, including their methods of torture of opponents, makes this comparison closer to the truth.
Where are human rights in the Arab countries? Where are woman's rights in Islamic Society? In Saudi Arabia , women are treated like chattels and do not even have the franchise. Why are the human rights organizations not taking any view on that?

Another very big difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is the fact that there are no separate facilities for Jews and Arabs. Arab Israelis have equal rights and have the right to vote. There is no law preventing social mixing between the two peoples nor are there separate universities for Arabs and Israelis in Israel.

The comparison between Israel and apartheid South Africa shows total ignorance of the situation in both countries. After having been born and educated in apartheid South Africa and having opposed apartheid and racism all my life, I have come to realize how false and stupid this comparison really is. Much still remains to be done in the human rights area for Arab Israelis. There is some social descrimination in the job market and the situation is not as good as it could be. However, it is very far from the apartheid system of White South Africa where draconian laws were well set in place to separate blacks from whites


David Icke Myth: And by that I don't only mean the evil that is inflicted upon the Palestinian people minute-by-minute, day-by-day, but also the extraordinarily racist divisions within Jewish society with the black Jews from Ethiopia, for example, treated as little more than vermin
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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/ejhist.html

The Facts
In early 1991, Eritrean and Tigrean rebels began a concerted attack on Mengistu forces, meeting with surprising success for the first time since the civil war began in 1975. With the rebel armies advancing each day, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam fled his country in early May. Rebels claimed control of the capital Addis Ababa shortly thereafter, and the situation of the Beta Israel took top priority in Israel. The Likud government of Yitzhak Shamir authorized a special permit for the Israeli airline, El Al, to fly on the Jewish Sabbath. On Friday, May 24, and continuing non-stop for 36 hours, a total of 34 El Al jumbo jets and Hercules C-130s—seats removed to accommodate the maximum number of Ethiopians—began a new chapter in the struggle for the freedom of Ethiopian Jewry.

Operation Solomon, named for the king from whom one of the theories suggest that the Beta Israel draw their lineage, ended almost as quickly as it began. Timing was crucial, since any delay by Israel could have allowed the rebels to hold the Jews as bargaining chips with Israel or the United States. A total of 14,324 Ethiopian Jews were rescued and resettled in Israel, a modern exodus of the grandest design. Operation Solomon rescued nearly double the number of Jews as were saved during Operation Moses and Joshua, and it did so in a mere fraction of the time.

More than 36,000 Ethiopian Jews now live in Israel and despite both economic and social hardships, their community has an integral part in Israeli society. In 1999, Avraham Yitzhak became the first Ethiopian immigrant to earn an MD degree from an Israeli medical school. In 2011, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs appointed Rachamim Elazar as Israel's Ambassador to Ethiopia, making him the first Israeli of Ethiopian descent to ever serve as an ambassador for the State of Israel. There are still many problems within the Ethiopian community in Israel - poverty, lack of education, etc - but large strides are being made every day.......................As early as the 16th century, Egypt's Chief Rabbi David ben Solomon ibn Avi Zimra (Radbaz) declared that in Halachic (Jewish legal) issues, the Beta Israel were indeed Jews. In 1855, Daniel ben Hamdya, a member of the Beta Israel, was the first Ethiopian Jew to visit Israel, meeting with a council of rabbis in Jerusalem concerning the authenticity of the Beta Israel. By 1864, almost all leading Jewish authorities, most notably Rabbi Azriel Hildsheimer of Eisenstadt, Germany, accepted the Beta Israel as true Jews. In 1908 the chief rabbis of forty-five countries had heeded Rabbi Hildsheimer's call and officially recognized the Beta Israel as fellow Jews.

In reaffirming the Radbaz's position centuries before, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, Israel's Chief Sephardic Rabbi, stated in 1972, “I have come to the conclusion that Falashas are Jews who must be saved from absorption and assimilation. We are obliged to speed up their immigration to Israel and educate them in the spirit of the holy Torah, making them partners in the building of the Holy Land.”

In 1975, Ashkenazic Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren wrote to the Beta Israel telling them, “You are our brothers, you are our blood and our flesh. You are true Jews.” Later that same year the Israeli Interministerial Commission officially recognized the Beta Israel as Jews under Israel's Law of Return, a law designed to aid in Jewish immigration to Israel. The Beta Israel were ready to come home.

Indeed, the Beta Israel were strictly observant in pre-Talmudic Jewish traditions. The women went to the mikvah, or ritual bath, just as observant Jewish women do to this day, and they continue to carry out ancient festivals, such as Seged, that have been passed down through the generations of Beta Israel. The Kesim, or religious leaders, are as widely revered and respected as the great rabbis in each community, passing the Jewish customs through storytelling and maintaining the few Jewish books and Torahs some communities were fortunate enough to have written in the liturgical language of Ge'ez.


Jewish Apathy . . .and its Defeat
The struggle to free the Beta Israel was not fought solely against the Ethiopian government. Much like some timid Jewish leaders during the Holocaust, some recent Jews sought to prevent a shanda fur de goyim (an embarrassment in front of the non-Jews) by not stirring up waves over Ethiopian Jewry.

The history of the Beta Israel's rescue is at times open to debate regarding the heroes of the Ethiopian Jewry movement. As with many struggles to free oppressed Jewry around the world, many advocated and vocalized opposition to those responsible for the lack of action on their behalf. Others, however, argued for a more quiet diplomacy, void of the public demonstrations and arrests that marked the struggle for Soviet Jewry.

Though over 8,000 Beta Israel managed to flee to Israel during his tenure, it was an Israeli official in charge of the Ethiopian Jews' absorption who may best symbolize the insensitivity that an extreme minority of people once held. Yehuda Dominitz who served as Director General of the Jewish Agency's Department of Immigration and Absorption, declared in 1980 that, “[taking] a Falasha (sic) out of his village, it's like taking a fish out of water...I'm not in favor of bringing them [to Israel].” Dominitz also refused to allow his agency to rent buses so Ethiopian Jews in Israel could travel to Jerusalem to observe their ancient holiday of Seged (Dominitz eventually relented, but had the buses take the Beta Israel to Haifa instead of Jerusalem).

Malkah Raymist, a writer for the World Zionist Organization, wrote in 1956 in The Jewish Horizon (of the Hapoel Hamizrachi of America Movement) that, “the reasons [for not bringing Ethiopian Jews to Israel] are simple and weighty. On one hand, they are well off where they are, while their development and mental outlook is that of children; they could fall an easy prey of exploitation, if brought here without any preparation. On the other hand, being a backward element, they would be and it would take several years before they could be educated towards a minimum of progressive thinking.”

In an American Association for Ethiopian Jews (AAEJ) press release, the AAEJ quoted its founder, Dr. Graenum Berger, as criticizing those who sought any delay in the rescue of the Beta Israel. Berger declared, “Not when Jews are dying...these revelations show once again that the policy of influencing factions of the government of Israel always have been against the immigration of the Ethiopian Jews. And, the same people who controlled their immigration then are controlling it now. These are the same people who gave instructions to the Israeli Embassy in Ethiopia (1956-1973) not to issue immigration visas to any Jew from Ethiopia.”

Berger himself came under criticism for his outspoken remarks concerning the Israeli efforts to rescue the Beta Israel, showing that nobody was immune from the rhetoric surrounding the issue.



As the facts clearly show: David Icke is an ignorant, lying, fearmongering, hatemongering antisemitic moron............a lying sack of shit.............


MYTH
“Israel is pursuing a policy of genocide toward the Palestinians that is comparable to the Nazis’ treatment of the Jews.” top


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrights.html#9

FACT
This is perhaps the most odious claim made by Israel’s detractors. The Nazis’ objective was the systematic extermination of every Jew in Europe. Israel is seeking peace with its Palestinian neighbors. More than one million Arabs live as free and equal citizens in Israel. Of the Palestinians in the territories, 98 percent live under the civil administration of the Palestinian Authority. Israeli policies are designed to protect Israeli citizens—Jews and non-Jews—from the incessant campaign of terror. There has never been a plan to persecute, exterminate, or expel the Palestinian people.

In response to one such comparison, by a poet who referred to the “Zionist SS,” The New Republic’s literary editor Leon Wieseltier observed:

The view that Zionism is Nazism—there is no other way to understand the phrase “Zionist SS”—is not different in kind from the view that the moon is cheese. It is not only spectacularly wrong, it is also spectacularly unintelligent. I will not offend myself (that would be self-hate speech!) by patiently explaining why the State of Israel is unlike the Third Reich, except to say that nothing that has befallen the Palestinians under Israel’s control may responsibly be compared to what befell the Jews under Germany’s control, and that a considerable number of the people who have toiled diligently to find peace and justice for the Palestinians, and a solution to this savage conflict, have been Israeli, some of them even Israeli prime ministers. There is no support for the Palestinian cause this side of decency that can justify the locution “Zionist SS.” 41

The absurdity of the charge is also clear from the demography of the disputed territories. While detractors make outrageous claims about Israel committing genocide or ethnic cleansing, the Palestinian population has continued to grow exponentially. In Gaza, for example, the population increased from 731,000 in July 1994 to 1,657,155 in 2011, an increase of 127 percent. The growth rate was 3.2 percent, one of the highest in the world. The total Palestinian population in all the disputed territories (they include Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem) was 1,006,000 in 1950, 1,094,000 in 1970, and grew to 3,736,210 in 2011. 42


MYTH
“Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is similar to the treatment of blacks in apartheid South Africa.” top

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrights.html#8

FACT
Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934:

We do not want to create a situation like that which exists in South Africa, where the whites are the owners and rulers, and the blacks are the workers. If we do not do all kinds of work, easy and hard, skilled and unskilled, if we become merely landlords, then this will not be our homeland. 36

Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights and are represented in all the branches of government. Arabs are represented in the Knesset, and have served in the Cabinet, high-level foreign ministry posts (e.g., Ambassador to Finland) and on the Supreme Court.

Under apartheid, skin color determined every aspect of your life from birth until death. Black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they formed the overwhelming majority of the population. Laws dictated where they could live, work, go to school and travel. And, in South Africa, the government killed blacks who protested against its policies. By contrast, Israel allows freedom of movement, assembly and speech. Some of the government’s harshest critics are Israeli Arabs who are members of the Knesset.


“The difference between the current Israeli situation and apartheid South Africa is emphasized at a very human level: Jewish and Arab babies are born in the same delivery room, with the same facilities, attended by the same doctors and nurses, with the mothers recovering in adjoining beds in a ward. Two years ago I had major surgery in a Jerusalem hospital: the surgeon was Jewish, the anaesthetist was Arab, the doctors and nurses who looked after me were Jews and Arabs. Jews and Arabs share meals in restaurants and travel on the same trains, buses and taxis, and visit each other’s homes.

Could any of this possibly have happened under apartheid? Of course not.”

— Benjamin Pogrund 37


The situation of Palestinians in the territories is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip that are not necessary inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders. Israeli policy is not based on race, but is a result of Palestinian animosity. Palestinians in the territories dispute Israel’s right to exist, whereas blacks did not seek the destruction of South Africa, only the apartheid regime.

If Israel were to give Palestinians full citizenship, it would mean the territories had been annexed. No Israeli government has been prepared to take that step. Instead, through negotiations, Israel agreed to give the Palestinians increasing authority over their own affairs. It is likely that a final settlement will allow most Palestinians to become citizens of their own state. The principal impediment to Palestinian independence is not Israeli policy, it is the unwillingness of the Palestinian leadership to give up terrorism and agree to live in peace beside Israel.

Despite all their criticism, when asked what governments they admire most, more than 80 percent of Palestinians consistently said Israel because they can see up close the thriving democracy in Israel, and the rights the Arab citizens enjoy there. By contrast, Palestinians place Arab regimes, including their own Palestinian Authority, at the bottom. 38


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrights.html

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Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:54 am

David Icke wrote:David Icke Newsletter Preview


A HAPPY NEW YEAR? ...


… ONLY IF WE GET OFF OUR ARSES AND MAKE IT SO

If we don’t, and big-time, we will regret it for the rest of our lives and our children and grandchildren even more so.

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

So we are here at last: the all-singing, all-dancing, world famous, 2012. Is it the end of the world? Or the start of a new one? I say neither. Some of the 2012 hype has become just plain silly and we have probably seen nothing yet.

I have been saying since 1990 that we were in the midst of a vibrational change – the result of an information change in the waveform construct of the Universe – which would awaken humanity from its aeons of manipulated slumber. This is now clearly happening as millions upon millions of people worldwide open their minds to another view of self and reality.

I had still more confirmation over the Christmas break when I met people I have known for decades who were suddenly ‘getting it’. They were ‘No, not him or her, they’ll never get it’ people and yet the solidity of their intellectual-vibrational ‘box’ is now being breached by the spontaneous ‘insight’ that they and the world are not what they thought they were.

I have no problem, therefore, with the theme of energetic transformation bringing ‘five-sense’ transformation to human society. I just don't buy the 2012 Mayan calendar stuff, or the interpretation of it, that’s all. For me, the real significance of 2012 is that it is not 2011. But, then, it is not 2013, either.

The energetic/information change that I dubbed the 'Truth Vibrations’ in 1990 is not a one-year wonder. It has been easing its way into the information construct of our experienced reality for decades, especially since the 1980s, and it has been increasing its power and influence ever since ...

... There is also another potential significance for 2012 – how the Control System could exploit the hype and mystique of 2012 to make it seem like the prophecies about the end of the world in their many forms are really happening. This brings me to the gathering storm now targeting almost every aspect of human life.


Mr Icke,don't you dare smotth over a failed prophecy.You said there will be no Earth.
And thank fuck you were wrong,Riot Grrrl wasn't even out.
Thelyrans prophecy turned out well though.I said in 2008 Limelady and Dark Eternal,(six months before he became mod) would attempt a coup to take over control of the David Icke Forum.Nobody listened.
The trick is,don't put a fucking date on it.It's easy to read control freaks but not Earth Changes and a date for Armageddon.
But like on many occassions,I thank you for your error.There's still so much more to see than call it a day yet.


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Re: Open Weekly Letter to David Icke - 28th Sept 11'

Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:44 pm

Don't play "damage control" with me old son,you just get more damage...

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Post  MoMo on Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:53 pm

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Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:57 pm

el kabong wrote:
fukin' A cheers

rolf thumbs up cheers

I do like Icke,I just wouldn't consider him an exact science,that is all...
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Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:12 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
el kabong wrote:
fukin' A cheers

rolf thumbs up cheers

I do like Icke,I just wouldn't consider him an exact science,that is all...

Didn't like Icke much about that time.He had a photo of his wife and a concubine,shod in shell-suits about 1990.They looked like a drab heavens day cult.Bad tracksuits and bad advice,almost as bad as my clash of font colours.Yep,the pickings were slim then.They looked like they were going to suicide,I would've,with style like that...



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