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Post  Ciggy on Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:59 pm

More spam. Whoops there goes another kitten. Keep it up with the kittencaust.
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Post  true lilly on Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:43 am

Billy Ruben wrote:For those interested in Australian mysteries and folk-tales,consult Rex Gilroy,far more open minded,intelligent and can do the story without the SPAM.



Idiot.

As 'you' and all long time readers with a memory know,
Rex Gilroy's Site is ONLY ONE of MANY DIFFERENT sources
that I HAVE LINKED TO when asking people to Search and
QUESTION All Sources, in their OWN Free Thinking Study
of what I post for everyone who cares, to consider.

But 'you' mob only dare push him, because he to, is still,
stuck in trying to push RECENT EARTH HISTORY "Egypt"
MYTHS, into TRULY ANCIENT AUSTRALIAN HISTORY.
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Post  true lilly on Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:52 am

Ciggy wrote:More spam. Whoops there goes another kitten. Keep it up with the kittencaust.
whoops...
Funny how quite this place becomes, when local thugs are busy with police, ambos etc...

true lilly wrote:
tintin wrote: 14-10-2011, 04:04 PM

#31560

.....
...but still 'they' keep trusting
'their' religious faith in serving evil,
to 'save' 'them'...well, it won't,
but it does keep 'rewarding' 'them',
with Natural Justice.
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Post  Ciggy on Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:51 pm

Things don't magically go evil just because you call them evil, rat bag. You're the one who said Gus Fring was a "good guy", remember? Your judgment is not to be trusted.
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Post  Billy Ruben on Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:31 pm

Ciggy wrote:Things don't magically go evil just because you call them evil, rat bag. You're the one who said Gus Fring was a "good guy", remember? Your judgment is not to be trusted.

Not a fucking syllable is to be trusted that comes from the gin-soaked chasm that she calls a mouth.Nothing but blasphemies,dog-knot,hate and subtle racism emenate from that vicious pit of a mind.

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Post  Billy Ruben on Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:34 pm

true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:For those interested in Australian mysteries and folk-tales,consult Rex Gilroy,far more open minded,intelligent and can do the story without the SPAM.



Idiot.

As 'you' and all long time readers with a memory know,
Rex Gilroy's Site is ONLY ONE of MANY DIFFERENT sources
that I HAVE LINKED TO when asking people to Search and
QUESTION All Sources, in their OWN Free Thinking Study
of what I post for everyone who cares, to consider.

But 'you' mob only dare push him, because he to, is still,
stuck in trying to push RECENT EARTH HISTORY "Egypt"
MYTHS, into TRULY ANCIENT AUSTRALIAN HISTORY.

Yaaaaaaaaawwwn.

I support,what you term,"that filthy lie",out of Egypt,than Moses leading the Jews out of South America with a land bridge to Australia to form the Kosher Kanackas of Pangea.

Rex is good,has no spam,interesting intelligent bloke to talk too.

You are the opposite.


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Post  Ciggy on Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:46 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Things don't magically go evil just because you call them evil, rat bag. You're the one who said Gus Fring was a "good guy", remember? Your judgment is not to be trusted.

Not a fucking syllable is to be trusted that comes from the gin-soaked chasm that she calls a mouth.Nothing but blasphemies,dog-knot,hate and subtle racism emenate from that vicious pit of a mind.

cthulhu

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Post  Billy Ruben on Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:54 pm

Ciggy wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Things don't magically go evil just because you call them evil, rat bag. You're the one who said Gus Fring was a "good guy", remember? Your judgment is not to be trusted.

Not a fucking syllable is to be trusted that comes from the gin-soaked chasm that she calls a mouth.Nothing but blasphemies,dog-knot,hate and subtle racism emenate from that vicious pit of a mind.

cthulhu

As our African brothers would put it: word.


lol!

I've been waiting for the almighty to finally pull the plug and call it a day for her.But God has empathy for mental patients and so should I,since I wanted to be a psyche-nurse.Last year,I acted as catharsis for her to get her demons out,it failed,she is a demon...
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Post  Ciggy on Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:03 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Things don't magically go evil just because you call them evil, rat bag. You're the one who said Gus Fring was a "good guy", remember? Your judgment is not to be trusted.

Not a fucking syllable is to be trusted that comes from the gin-soaked chasm that she calls a mouth.Nothing but blasphemies,dog-knot,hate and subtle racism emenate from that vicious pit of a mind.

cthulhu

As our African brothers would put it: word.


lol!

I've been waiting for the almighty to finally pull the plug and call it a day for her.But God has empathy for mental patients and so should I,since I wanted to be a psyche-nurse.Last year,I acted as catharsis for her to get her demons out,it failed,she is a demon...

God told me just the other day he was taking the piss via Lulzy, and laughed even harder when I said I didn't appreciate the sick sense of humour. It's a very Brasseye-esque form of humour.
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Post  Billy Ruben on Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:15 pm

Ciggy wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Things don't magically go evil just because you call them evil, rat bag. You're the one who said Gus Fring was a "good guy", remember? Your judgment is not to be trusted.

Not a fucking syllable is to be trusted that comes from the gin-soaked chasm that she calls a mouth.Nothing but blasphemies,dog-knot,hate and subtle racism emenate from that vicious pit of a mind.

cthulhu

As our African brothers would put it: word.


lol!

I've been waiting for the almighty to finally pull the plug and call it a day for her.But God has empathy for mental patients and so should I,since I wanted to be a psyche-nurse.Last year,I acted as catharsis for her to get her demons out,it failed,she is a demon...

God told me just the other day he was taking the piss via Lulzy, and laughed even harder when I said I didn't appreciate the sick sense of humour. It's a very Brasseye-esque form of humour.

Gods ironic kharmic payback,so sick and tired of the christian movement,he programmes one of it's most vile elements,True Lilly to ursurp and corrupt even further,all religeous denominations,reveal their hypocrisies,so all power levels collapse under it's own weight of inconsistencies.

True Lillys nutter theories is just the icing on the cake.Once all religeous flocks disperse,the power vacuum will be filled by True Lilly.But unbeknownst to her,it's just God last cruel joke,she's the counter-measure and example,to not again,fall back into power groups that dictate
un-natural lies,for example,the guilt associated with sexuality.

It'll all work out in the end,this is Gods grand chessboard,the architect of this universe,his ways are strange and only understood by heathen outcast like myself...


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Post  true lilly on Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:49 am


“He's out of his depth on a wet pavement.”
Terry Pratchett

“The truth isn't easily pinned to a page.
In the bathtub of history
the truth is harder to hold than the soap
and much more difficult to find.”

Terry Pratchett, Sourcery
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Post  true lilly on Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:41 am

2 November 2011
Last updated at 04:44 GMT

Four things Captain Scott found in Antarctica
(and one that found him)

By Megan Lane
BBC News Magazine


Captain Scott took this not long before he died (from The Lost Photographs of Captain Scott)

In pictures: Inside Scott's Hut

A
century ago, Captain Scott and his team set out on a doomed race to be
first to the South Pole. They failed in this quest - but that wasn't all
they were doing in this mysterious ice-bound land.

It is an expedition best known for its failure. Not only did a
Norwegian rival beat Captain Robert Scott to the South Pole, but his
five-man team died on the return journey.

Continue reading the main story
Captain Robert Falcon Scott



Born June 1868 - first served at sea aged 13
Led two British expeditions to Antarctica, 1901-04 and 1910-12

Set off for South Pole on 1 Nov 1911, reaching it Jan 1912 -
a month behind his rival Amundsen

His five-man party died in March 1912 on return journey,
11 miles short of a supply depot
Bodies recovered eight months later - in the tent pictured in

an exhibition above - with notebooks, letters, photos and specimens


Scott of the Antarctic
What lives and grows in Antarctic eco-zone?

Catch up with Frozen Planet on iPlayer


Found in the tent alongside their
frozen bodies were 16kg (35lb) of fossils,
a meteorological log, scores of notes, and rolls of film taken by Scott himself.

The dying explorers thought these too valuable to jettison,
even though lightening their load could have played a part in the life
and death struggle after weeks of travelling in temperatures below -37C
(-35F).

Scott's expedition had a dual purpose - to reach the Pole for
the British Empire, and to explore and document this great southern land.

This was in answer to a challenge laid down at the
International Geographical Congress in 1895, which called the Antarctic
"the greatest piece of geographical exploration still to be undertaken",
and one which would result in "additions to knowledge in almost every
branch of science".

In the late 19th Century, Antarctica was a large - and largely blank -
space on the map. No-one was even sure if it was a continent or
collection of icy islands.


Scott first led an expedition to the region in 1901, and
returned a decade later with a young and hungry team of experts -
including, for the first time, a professional photographer - to collect a
treasure trove of specimens, data and observations for analysis on
their return.

Just a handful of his 38-man team set off for the Pole on
that final ill-fated journey. The remainder continued their research
around base camp and beyond.

Gathered to answer the pressing questions of their day, these
findings continue to shed light on the pressing scientific questions of
our day too.

Here are four of their key discoveries (besides the Pole) -
and one thing that found them.

Emperor penguin eggs


Of the 2,000 specimens of animals and fish collected by Scott
and his team - 400 of which were newly discovered - the jewel in the
crown was a trio of Emperor penguin eggs.

The team spent months monitoring penguin colonies

It was hoped that these would provide long-awaited proof of Darwin's theory of evolution.


At the time, it was thought an embryo passed through all stages of its species' evolution
as it developed.

And as the Edwardians assumed the flightless Emperor penguin
to be the world's most primitive bird, they hoped the embryos in these
eggs would show the link between dinosaurs and birds.

The birds had been seen before, but never with their eggs.

"It was the greatest biological quest of its day," says polar
historian David Wilson, whose great-uncle, Edward Wilson, was Scott's
naturalist. "Then they collected the eggs, and all the theories turned
out to be wrong."


Penguin skins also collected were used 50 years later as
control specimens to prove that the pesticide DDT had since arrived in
the seemingly pristine Antarctic.

"The scientific program was so large it basically founded
modern polar science," says Wilson. "So it provides the base line data
for almost every study."

Missing link fossil


The prize fossil found alongside Scott's body was the plant
Glossopteris indica, an extinct beech-like tree
from 250 million years ago.


The fossil is in a travelling Scott exhibition due
at London's Natural History Museum in 2012

On the return journey from the South Pole,
they stopped to explore a moraine under
Mount Buckley (pictured top of this page).


This was no random detour. Running low on food
and struggling against foul weather, the explorer-scientists
had a specific goal in mind.

A newly-minted theory held that Antarctica
had once been part of an ancient super-continent
named Gondwanaland (now Gondwana),
and had once had a climate mild enough
to support trees.


It was a compelling theory.
All it needed was a killer piece of evidence.


So when Scott and co found this fossil,
the same as ones found in Australia, Africa and
South America, it was like finding a
missing piece of the Earth's jigsaw.
It indicated that these countries had all been
part of the same prehistoric land mass.


"The finding of that specimen
was a seminal moment,"
says Wilson.
"It helped us change our geological
understanding of the planet."


Wildlife in action


As well as specimens, sketches and photographs, the Terra Nova
returned with never-before-seen footage of polar creatures in action.

It was the first time a film camera had been used to make

breakthroughs in the study of biology. It also set the standard for
future expeditions and wildlife documentaries.

"Scott believed the camera could play a part in scientific
exploration which it hadn't yet achieved," says Wilson, author of The
Lost Photographs of Captain Scott.

Expedition photographer Herbert Ponting captured the forms
and textures of ice, and filmed the life cycles and behaviours of the
region's little-known inhabitants.

In filming weddell seals
chewing holes in the ice with their canine-like teeth, for example,
Ponting disproved existing theories as to how the seals created
breathing holes.

And, when filming killer whales hunting in a pack, Ponting almost became their lunch.

The ice beneath him heaved and started to split as the whales
launched a coordinated attack to spill him into the sea - a behaviour
known as wave washing, and recently filmed for the BBC's Frozen Planet.

Rare weather system


Scott's photo of his polar team - the ponies also perished

At a time of year when temperatures are a relatively balmy

-28C, Captain Scott's five-man polar team perished during an extended
cold snap when the mercury plummeted to -40C.

The detailed forecast drawn up by meteorologist Dr George C
Simpson for the push to the Pole showed no sign of this unfortunate
weather event.


Simpson with a weather balloon

In a last message to the British public, Scott wrote: "No-one

in the world would have expected the temperatures and surfaces which we
have encountered at this time of the year. It is clear that these
circumstances come on very suddenly, and our wreck is certainly due to
this sudden advent of severe weather."

An unexpected and rare misfortune, or was the forecast simply wrong?

The former, says Susan Solomon, an expert in atmospheric
science and author of The Coldest March. Simpson's meticulously analysed
weather data would have been correct in almost any other year, but 1912
was the one in which the Antarctic winter started hard and early.

His research contributed much to the understanding of not
just Antarctica's climate but how upper wind currents interact across
the southern hemisphere.

Fungal legacy



Sir David Attenborough in Captain Scott's hut in Antarctica


Aptly, Scott's 100-year-old hut is harbouring a new discovery itself.


During restoration work, three new species of wood fungus
have been found feasting on the historic hut and its contents.


Dark mould growing on one of Scott's crates

So the restorers called in plant pathologist Robert Blanchette,

of the University of Minnesota, who at first assumed the fungi had
hitched a ride with visitors or imported materials.

"But our DNA sequencing, used to identify the fungi, has
found that there are species present in the hut wood that have not been
previously found and are not similar to known species,"
says Blanchette.

Further tests have found the same fungi in the Ross Sea region
and the Antarctic Peninsula - the opposite side of the continent -
and in other historic huts.

Finding new species in Scott's hut is only fitting, says Blanchette.

"The expedition's goal was to study all the new things in
this unique ecosystem. I am sure these fungi, found 100 years later,
would have been of great interest to the biologists and other scientists
on Scott's last voyage."

Frozen Planet
is on Wednesdays on BBC One at 2100 BST, or catch up with iPlayer. A number of images in this piece were selected from David Wilson's book The Lost Photographs of Captain Scott.
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Post  true lilly on Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:26 pm

true lilly wrote:John 1 tells of The First Creation,
Genesis tells of The Re-Creation,
and Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime HISTORY,
is the closest CONTINUOUSLY PASSED DOWN
Telling of Both Creation and Re-Creation...

"Egypt" stories, simply copied and twisted HISTORY
to sell their death worship, 'as' 'what god said'.

"Egypt" did NOT even exist when all that Re-Creation,
AND Noah's Age was going on and being recorded,
as The Promised Reminders to us that GOD EXISTS
and KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES.

FFS! Why the desperation to keep going backwards,
to the BS that brought the world to this sorry state,
when REAL HISTORY is BEING REVEALED, as God Promised.

(grrr...keep this up, and I may have to go Main Stream,
and actually Join...)
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Post  true lilly on Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:53 am

Geology
Prehistory of Antarctica



Map showing details of Gondwana break-up, including glacial scouring
as Australia moved northwards.
(Map: R Beaman)


Like all other continents, Antarctica has at its core an ancient
shield. The rocks of the East Antarctica shield are as old as 4 billion
years, which means that they are amongst the oldest known rocks on
Earth. Geologists are now studying this shield to help them gain insight
into the early geological processes of the Earth’s history.


In many ways, the evolution of Antarctica appears to be similar to
that of Australia.
The fossil record of the two continents is similar,
and Antarctica has yielded dinosaurs, amphibians and even marsupials
from ages when the continents were joined.


The position of the continents shifts constantly and the geography of
today's world is vastly different from what it was even a hundred
million years ago. Twenty million years before the dinosaurs became
extinct, Australia, Antarctica and South America were part of the same
land mass called Gondwana. In those days Antarctica was not covered in
ice, even though it was at the South Pole. Animals passed freely from
South America through Antarctica to Australia, and the plant species of
Gondwana were also closely related to each other.


Eighty five million years ago Australia began to separate from
Antarctica. The separation started slowly at first at a rate of only a
few millimetres a year. This then accelerated to the present rate of 7 cm a year. Australia completely separated from Antarctica about 30 million years ago.


Scientists in Antarctica have discovered fossilised spores and pollen of sundews, Nothofagus (which includes the Tasmanian myrtle N. cunninghamii and the Tasmanian deciduous beech N. gunnii ).
The Tasmanian tree fern and creeping pine, are derived from forms which
once inhabited Australia and Antarctica.
Scientists were recently
excited by a fossil discovery of twigs, roots, leaves and pollen in
Antarctica, of a form which is virtually indistinguishable from Nothofagus gunnii ,
the Tasmanian deciduous beech.
These fossils may be ‘only’ 3 million
years old.
This implies that Antarctica was not entirely covered by ice
at that time. Previous to this find, scientists had thought that
Antarctica cooled and became ice bound after Australia and South America
separated 30 million years ago, allowing the Circumpolar Current to
develop. Scientists are still debating the age and significance of this
fossil discovery.


Antarctica without its ice

Casey: the Daintree of Antarctica

People who consider Antarctica to be a small continent will be
surprised to discover that it is larger than Europe and nearly twice the
size of Australia. The Antarctic continent, excluding its ice shelves,
covers over 13 million square kilometres compared with 7.7 million km²
for Australia, or 10.5 million km² for Europe. The map below gives some
idea of relative size.




Ninety-nine percent of Antarctica has a permanent blanket of snow and
ice. Only about one percent of the continent's rock base is visible
where it pokes through the ice sheet in the form of coastal outcrops,
mountain ranges or ‘nunataks’ which are isolated peaks.


The Transantarctic Mountains divide the continent into two
contrasting parts, the East and West. The Transantarctic Mountains
constitute one of the world’s longest and most impressive mountain
chains. They extend from the north western corner of the Ross Sea to the
south western corner of the Weddell Sea. West Antarctica, which
includes the Antarctic Peninsula, is smaller and has a complex
geological history. West Antarctica consists of four land units each
with a different history. There has been major volcanic activity here in
recent geological times and there are still a few active volcanic
centres. Deep waters exist between land units and the West Antarctic ice
sheet, which can be considered to a be floating ice mass, held in place
by land peaks. West Antarctica includes the Vinson Massif, which has
the highest peak in Antarctica at 5140 metres.


Most of East Antarctica is still not well known by geologists but it
does include the Transantarctic Mountains.
These commonly exceed 4000
metres elevation. The shield is very depressed in the centre, where it
carries the bulk of the Antarctic ice sheet. Large areas lie deeper than
1000 metres below sea level.


Mining Antarctica

There are deposits of minerals such as coal and iron ore, but there
are vast economic and technical difficulties associated with the
recovery of mineral deposits. The Antarctic ice cover is, on average,
2.5 km thick and this means that very
little of the land is accessible for exploration, so work would have to
take place under the ice sheet. The difficult Antarctic conditions, even
when the technology works well elsewhere make exploitation unlikely.
Once minerals are mined, Antarctica is a long way from world markets,
and material would have to be transported over the treacherous Southern
Ocean. Cheaper sources exist elsewhere in the world, and these will be
exploited before Antarctic sources.


So far, the economics of extracting resources from the harsh
Antarctic environment have prevented any commercial operations, but
Antarctica's climate may not protect its minerals indefinitely. What can
prevent such exploitation is a strong, well-supported international
agreement. Nations of the Antarctic Treaty System agreed in 1991 to put a
halt to the exploitation of minerals when they signed a comprehensive
Protocol on Environmental Protection (the Madrid Protocol), which banned
mining in Antarctica indefinitely. This important agreement came into
force in January 1998.

Read more about mining in Antarctica


Glossopteris (Fossil) leaf Permian age, Prince Charles Mountains.
(Photo: R Oldfield; Cat: 4766C1)


Antarctic prehistory facts
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-antarctica/fact-files/geology/antarctic-prehistory-facts

One more time, FROM THE BEGINNING...

Lebanon = "whiteness"
1) a wooded mountain range on the northern border of Israel

LEBANON

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=lebanon&t=KJV

Every place 4725 whereon the soles 3709 of your feet 7272 shall tread 1869
shall be yours: from the wilderness 4057 and Lebanon 3844,
from the river 5104, the river 5104 Euphrates 6578,
even unto the uttermost 314 sea 3220 shall your coast 1366 be.


LABAN

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=laban&t=KJV&sf=5

And Isaac 3327 sent away 7971 Jacob 3290:
and he went 3212 to Padanaram 6307 unto Laban 3837,
son 1121 of Bethuel 1328 the Syrian 761, the brother 251 of Rebekah 7259,
Jacob's 3290 and Esau's 6215 mother 517.

I left school at 14, not that I went much before then, as by 8, I knew there was something about The Time Line, we weren't being taught, and that, 'That Something' had to do with GOD.
Not that I left EDUCATION, I was doing my Horsemasters Diploma by 13, and continued
self education, all my life, taking interest in whatever any expert on anything had to share.

Seek with your whole heart and whole mind. That's what I set out to do, and not so much 'despite', but 'because' of the many false paths I'd cross and take, I discovered that faith, in
The Creator and The Truth of His Word, was the only thing that led me past knowledge, to understanding, and discovery, of yet more knowledge and understanding.

As I came to understand that just as Australia was 'presented' to be a land of 'no historic value', my lack of deep interest in the deep sea and Antarctica, was born of how they were 'presented'.

But my most deep interest was always in seeking to know God, which again, led me to 'KNOW', what I'm still only discovering, others have long known...and I should not keep having to argue the facts of.

God Exists!
God Described All The World, All The Earth and All Peoples, From The Beginning.
And, God Does KEEP ALL HIS PROMISES.
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Post  Ciggy on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:28 am

1. Lebanon is not Antarctica.
2. Antarctica is not north of Australia.
3. Australia is not Israel.
4. You're a fooking retard.
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Post  true lilly on Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:30 pm


Computer seized at couple's home


Anthony Dowsley and Mark Buttler
UPDATE 8.42am:
POLICE have confirmed they spoke to a couple
and seized their computer
on the day they went missing.

dixie dean wrote:
09-11-2011, 12:18 AM #32097
Quote:
Originally Posted by stormrider73

I'm a "Targeted Individual" aka TI
You could reverse Targeted Individual to Individually Targeted which would give you IT.

When you put IT into Wiki you get three pages come up...

It (novel), It (film) and Information Technology

It might be worth keeping that in mind,

Last edited by dixie d; 09-11-2011 at 12:19 AM.
...and NO, you EVIL DICK "TINTIN", YOU DIDN'T 'predict' ANYTHING!

YOU PLOT, and PULL SOME OFF, but FRAZIER'S DEATH WAS EXPECTED,
AND WIDELY REPORTED IN THE MSN, BEFORE YOU, MORE (NOT less),
posted FISTS of YOUR EXCREMENTAL words, dates & images, TO LATER,
INSANELY EXPECT others to believe a CHERRY PICKED FEW, 'predicted'
SHIT!

But what EXPOSES YOU and YOUR OTHER 'names', IS THE LUST with
which YOU GLOAT and TRY TO PERSONALLY BOAST OF, DEATHS.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3210
dixie dean wrote: 08-11-2011, 12:59 PM #32079
Quote:
Originally Posted by cori



JOE FRAZIER died
Frazier was diagnosed with liver cancer in late September 2011 and admitted to hospice care.[3] He died November 7, 2011.

November 7 is 117 or 711 reveresed. I also wondered if Smoking Joe might have any reference to Volcano

Quote:
Black smokers or deep sea vents are an example of this kind of volcanic activity.
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true lilly wrote:30-10-2007, 04:33 PM #499
Quote:
Originally Posted by armoured saint

It's not like you have checked and
compared DNA samples of these as opposed to groups of people in the
middleast, egypt and south america as well as the Aborigines. So, how
did Moses get to Australia from south America and yet the source of the
story comes from either Egypt, middle or near east.

Don't tell me Noah built the 'Abel Tasman' and then handed it down to Moses somehow.

I like your font colouring. It dazzles the senses. Puts "King Of The Mountain" to shame.

And here we have it again folks, that DESPERATE NEED TO WORSHIP EGYPT,
The City of The DEATH CULT.

Now this 'character' is NOT unfamiliar with all that's been posted on this topic,
yet comes up with a childish, "Oh yeah!" post like this.

Now as for comparing DNA; it has been done and in the news, that native
Australians ARE THE OLDEST, PUREST Blooded peoples.
Related closest to the OLDEST PUREST SOUTH AMERICANS and Africans,
who in THEIR OWN ORAL HISTORY tell of NOT ORIGINATING in Africa.

So, AT LEAST 60,000 years of the LONGEST CONTINUOUS Cultures,
of the 'OLDEST' peoples, who's DREAMING STORIES ARE the Consistently
CLOSEST FITS TO GENESIS...but we'll just IGNORE ALL THAT and
"keep looking for" "where they came from"??!!!

The CLOSEST RELATED FLORA & FAUNA to OZ NATIVES, are South American.

'Jerusalem' wasn't GIVEN that name until around 1000 Year AFTER
Alexander The Great DELUDED PUPPET of his Twisted Mother, told
the world an ORACLE in EGYPT "told him" that "HE WAS THE SON of 'god'".

That's a THOUSAND YEARS of the MOST POWERFUL, ANTI-CHRIST
EMPIRES FORCING their 'history' down the throats of powerless,

uneducated peoples, with things like the CONTINUED BLOODY INQUISITIONS
that SLAUGHTERED, PRIMARILY, CHRISTIANS who would NOT accept ROME'S
COUNTERFEIT.

But "THEY" want YOU to IGNORE that Holy Scripture ALSO DESCRIBES
the NATURAL HISTORY that Science is finally catching up with; IGNORE
that Holy Scripture DESCRIBES the WHOLE World,
FROM THE TIME of The Super-Continent before that River Head became a SEA,
that "They", without foundation, RE-named the Euphrates.

In fact IGNORE ALL Holy Scripture, according to "Them" it's all a fairy tale,
EXCEPT THE BITS KNOWN TO BE CHANGED, in order TO SELL EGYPT'S
DEATH WORSHIP CULT!

Now long after Joshua died, after winning wars ON FOOT against Mounted
Armies and HAMSTRINGING all their BEASTS OF BURDEN (which is what those
'horses' and 'camels' are), they FORGOT Their God and History and were
DRIVEN OUT OF ZION (which included the UTTER DEVASTATION of the land
that The Creator also Promised He would cause to BLOOM RICH again when
the Lost, Scattered, Mixed and Mingled Israel, started returning), which
was when those Old Cultures of Asia took off, and the GENETIC MIX of
peoples across the world and into NORTHERN Europe SUPPORTS this.

And so does what VERY LITTLE Archeology had been done in this land;
a Large Corralling of Different, Large, Unknown DOMESTIC Animals.

But be patient, we'd need over 500 of these pages to catch up on all the
evidences for this case, that "this poster" KNOWS we've covered elsewhere.

It's the COUNTERFEITING "Jesuit Trained" scholars and "those who
say they are Jews but are NOT", who INVENTED that ONLY around 6000 year age
of the world according to ROMES 'bible'.

Holy Scripture DESCRIBES a MUCH OLDER AGE,
RIGHT BACK TO BEFORE MAN LIVED ON THE SUPER-CONTINENT.
true lilly wrote:Re: Aboriginal Stonehenge:
Stargazing in ancient Australia
true lilly Today, 9-11-2011 at 12:53 am
Geology
Prehistory of Antarctica



Map showing details of Gondwana break-up, including glacial scouring
as Australia moved northwards.
(Map: R Beaman)


Like all other continents, Antarctica has at its core an ancient
shield. The rocks of the East Antarctica shield are as old as 4 billion
years, which means that they are amongst the oldest known rocks on
Earth. Geologists are now studying this shield to help them gain insight
into the early geological processes of the Earth’s history.


In many ways, the evolution of Antarctica appears to be similar to
that of Australia.
The fossil record of the two continents is similar,
and Antarctica has yielded dinosaurs, amphibians and even marsupials
from ages when the continents were joined.


The position of the continents shifts constantly and the geography of
today's world is vastly different from what it was even a hundred
million years ago. Twenty million years before the dinosaurs became
extinct, Australia, Antarctica and South America were part of the same
land mass called Gondwana. In those days Antarctica was not covered in
ice, even though it was at the South Pole. Animals passed freely from
South America through Antarctica to Australia, and the plant species of
Gondwana were also closely related to each other.


Eighty five million years ago Australia began to separate from Antarctica.
The separation started slowly at first at a rate of only a few millimetres a year.
This then accelerated to the present rate of 7 cm a year.
Australia completely separated from Antarctica about 30 million years ago.


Scientists in Antarctica have discovered fossilised spores and pollen
of sundews, Nothofagus (which includes the Tasmanian myrtle
N. cunninghamii and the Tasmanian deciduous beech N. gunnii ).
The Tasmanian tree fern and creeping pine, are derived from forms which
once inhabited Australia and Antarctica.

Scientists were recently excited by a fossil discovery of twigs, roots, leaves
and pollen in Antarctica, of a form which is virtually indistinguishable
from Nothofagus gunnii , the Tasmanian deciduous beech.

These fossils may be ‘only’ 3 million years old.

This implies that Antarctica was not entirely covered by ice at that time.
Previous to this find, scientists had thought that Antarctica cooled and
became ice bound after Australia and South America separated
30 million years ago, allowing the Circumpolar Current to develop.
Scientists are still debating the age and significance of this
fossil discovery.


Antarctica without its ice

Casey: the Daintree of Antarctica

People who consider Antarctica to be a small continent will be
surprised to discover that it is larger than Europe and nearly twice the
size of Australia. The Antarctic continent, excluding its ice shelves,
covers over 13 million square kilometres compared with 7.7 million km²
for Australia, or 10.5 million km² for Europe. The map below gives some
idea of relative size.




Ninety-nine percent of Antarctica has a permanent blanket of snow and ice.
Only about one percent of the continent's rock base is visible
where it pokes through the ice sheet in the form of coastal outcrops,
mountain ranges or ‘nunataks’ which are isolated peaks.


The Transantarctic Mountains divide the continent into two
contrasting parts, the East and West. The Transantarctic Mountains
constitute one of the world’s longest and most impressive mountain
chains. They extend from the north western corner of the Ross Sea to the
south western corner of the Weddell Sea. West Antarctica, which
includes the Antarctic Peninsula, is smaller and has a complex
geological history. West Antarctica consists of four land units each
with a different history. There has been major volcanic activity here in
recent geological times and there are still a few active volcanic
centres.
Deep waters exist between land units and the West Antarctic ice
sheet, which can be considered to a be floating ice mass, held in place
by land peaks. West Antarctica includes the Vinson Massif, which has
the highest peak in Antarctica at 5140 metres.


Most of East Antarctica is still not well known by geologists but it
does include the Transantarctic Mountains.
These commonly exceed 4000
metres elevation. The shield is very depressed in the centre, where it
carries the bulk of the Antarctic ice sheet. Large areas lie deeper than
1000 metres below sea level.


Mining Antarctica

There are deposits of minerals such as coal and iron ore, but there
are vast economic and technical difficulties associated with the
recovery of mineral deposits. The Antarctic ice cover is, on average,
2.5 km thick and this means that very little of the land is accessible
for exploration, so work would have to take place under the ice sheet.
The difficult Antarctic conditions, evenwhen the technology works well
elsewhere make exploitation unlikely.
Once minerals are mined, Antarctica is a long way from world markets,
and material would have to be transported over the treacherous Southern
Ocean. Cheaper sources exist elsewhere in the world, and these will be
exploited before Antarctic sources.


So far, the economics of extracting resources from the harsh
Antarctic environment have prevented any commercial operations, but
Antarctica's climate may not protect its minerals indefinitely. What can
prevent such exploitation is a strong, well-supported international
agreement. Nations of the Antarctic Treaty System agreed in 1991 to put a
halt to the exploitation of minerals when they signed a comprehensive
Protocol on Environmental Protection (the Madrid Protocol), which banned
mining in Antarctica indefinitely. This important agreement came into
force in January 1998.

Read more about mining in Antarctica


Glossopteris (Fossil) leaf Permian age, Prince Charles Mountains.
(Photo: R Oldfield; Cat: 4766C1)


Antarctic prehistory facts
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-antarctica/fact-files/geology/antarctic-prehistory-facts

One more time, FROM THE BEGINNING...

Lebanon = "whiteness"
1) a wooded mountain range on the northern border of Israel

LEBANON

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=lebanon&t=KJV

Every place 4725 whereon the soles 3709 of your feet 7272 shall tread 1869
shall be yours: from the wilderness 4057 and Lebanon 3844,
from the river 5104, the river 5104 Euphrates 6578,
even unto the uttermost 314 sea 3220 shall your coast 1366 be.


LABAN

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=laban&t=KJV&sf=5

And Isaac 3327 sent away 7971 Jacob 3290:
and he went 3212 to Padanaram 6307 unto Laban 3837,
son 1121 of Bethuel 1328 the Syrian 761, the brother 251 of Rebekah 7259,
Jacob's 3290 and Esau's 6215 mother 517.

I left school at 14, not that I went much before then, as by 8, I knew
there was something about The Time Line, we weren't being taught, and
that, 'That Something' had to do with GOD.
Not that I left EDUCATION, I was doing my Horsemasters Diploma by 13,
and continued self education, all my life, taking interest in whatever any expert
on anything had to share.

Seekwith your whole heart and whole mind. That's what I set out to do,
and not so much 'despite', but 'because' of the many false paths I'd cross
and take, I discovered that faith, inThe Creator and The Truth of His Word,
was the only thing that led me past knowledge, to understanding,
and discovery, of yet more knowledge and understanding.

As I came to understand that just as Australia was 'presented' to be a
land of 'no historic value', my lack of deep interest in the deep sea
and Antarctica, was born of how they were 'presented'.

But my most deep interest was always in seeking to know God, which again,
led me to 'KNOW', what I'm still only discovering, others have long known...and
I should not keep having to argue the facts of.

God Exists!
God Described All The World, All The Earth and All Peoples,
From The Beginning.

And, God Does KEEP ALL HIS PROMISES.

P.S. and all the CRAP "Ciggy & Co.=Team TINTIN" keep,
REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEATING, "They" KNOW I've been
SHOWING TO BE "Their" DELIBERATE DECEPTIVE DISTRACTION,
since back in 2005, when I first went on line, and started being
BANNED from further expounding, and being LITERALLY, PHYSICALLY,
FINANCIALLY and Socially ATTACKED, BY "Them", Again.
As I always have been, when I refuse to blame God, for "THEIR" EVILS.
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Post  true lilly on Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:58 am

Scientists find two 'sunken islands' off WA -
part of Gondwana land link

by:Narelle Towie Science Reporter
From:PerthNow
November 14, 2011
9:19AM

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MYSTERIOUS: An image of one of the sunken islands. Source: PerthNow

SCIENTISTS have discovered two huge sunken islands in the Indian Ocean west of Perth.

The islands, about the size of Tasmania, were once part of the supercontinent Gondwana and are more than 1.5km underwater.

Researchers from the University of Sydney, Macquarie University and the University
of Tasmania say the islands were once above water and formed part of the last link
between India and Australia.

They made the discovery while mapping the seafloor of the Perth Abyssal Plain.

“The data collected on the voyage could significantly change our
understanding of the way in which India, Australia and Antarctica broke
off from Gondwana,” University of Sydney geologist Dr Joanne Whittaker
said.

The scientists returned to Perth last week after carrying
out the complicated task of dredging up hundreds of kilograms of rock
samples from the steep slopes of the two islands during a three-week
expedition aboard CSIRO vessel Southern Surveyor.

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We expected to see common oceanic rocks such as basalt in the
dredge, but were surprised to see continental rocks such as granite,
gneiss and sandstone containing fossils,”
University of Sydney’s chief
expedition scientist Dr Simon Williams said.

“A detailed analysis of the rocks dredged up during the voyage will tell us about
their age and how they fit into the Gondwana jigsaw.”

The islands, called ‘micro-continents’, were formed when India began to
move away from Australia, about 130 million years ago during the
Cretaceous period, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth.

They became stranded thousands of kilometres from either coast as the land masses separated, the scientists say.

“The sunken islands charted during the expedition have flat tops, which
indicates they were once at sea level before being gradually submerged,”
Dr Whittaker said.

“Our preliminary analysis of the magnetic data that we collected
could cause us to rethink the plate tectonic story for the whole of
the Eastern Indian Ocean,” she said.

____________________________________________________________

Funny thing is, all I've asked of folk is to re-read what Holy Scripture
actually describes, in the revealing light breaking through where the
'dead wood' shaken from the 'accepted' myths of 'bible stories', shines
on the recent discoveries of science, that do support what God Described;
of both our truly ancient, and future, history.

While those who attack me for asking folk to think for themselves, keep
spamming 'me', with the long ago proven to fail, Religions of man, that
everywhere else on NET, they demand the world reject...FOR 'The New',
Ickest Type of Creator God Mocking, Global religion.

The 'funny' thing being, that 'they' believe others can't also see through
the desperation, to the motivation of 'their' floods of attacks.

Spirit LEVEL, water finds it's own LEVEL, sea LEVEL.
The land rises and sinks, and rises, out of the waters.
Just some of the basic science that used to be taught to primary school children,
but replaced by the Religious Preaching of Proudly Self Confessed Anti Christ
Greenies, during this age, when science is discovering, what is actually described,
in the full, contextual meaning of The Words of The Bible. Including that most
ancient age of Life existing on earth Before oxygen(= prince of the air=rust/death)
formed.

Remember also, God didn't ask for blind faith, but to search with our whole hearts
and minds and test scripture against what is real in this whole real world=diligently
do good science, in order to Know He exists, described All the world,
All the earth and All peoples, From The Beginning, and Keeps All His Promises.

Like preserving a uniquely rich, geologically stable, land of unique
light (due to it's unique position on the globe and it's angle to the
sun), in the south, for the lost, scattered, mixed and mingled remnants
of all the truly ancient tribes of Israel and their friends, to be
re-gathered into, and from where, the healing of all the world begins.

true lilly wrote:Earthquakes, Volcanoes...
...man and his MYTHS have
NEVER been able to SAVE anything...


...whereas, GOD TOLD US, HE CREATED LIFE,
and WITH HIM, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.


The Pompeii worm was found in the 1980s


Its family name Alvinellidae and genus name Alvinella
both derive from DSV Alvin, the three-person
submersible vehicle used during the discovery of
hydrothermal vents and their fauna during the late 1970s.


...and if you insist on believing that THE RELIGIONS PREACHED
by ANTI-LIFE GREENIE God Mockers can 'save you', KNOW that
GOD ALSO WARNED that WILLINGLY BLIND FAITH in MAN'S LIES,
CAN'T 'save'!
BUT GOD CAN and DOES, CREATE LIFE FROM NOTHING,
and RESURRECTS The 'dead' WHO DIDN'T DENY,
HIS HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH.
Jeremiah 3:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=3&v=1&t=KJV#1
In those days 3117 the house 1004 of Judah 3063
shall walk 3212 with the house 1004 of Israel 3478,
and they shall come 935 together 3162
out of the land 776 of the north 6828
to the land 776 that I have given
for an inheritance 5157 unto your fathers 1.


But I said 559 , How shall I put 7896 thee
among the children 1121, and give 5414 thee
a pleasant 2532 land 776, a goodly 6643 heritage 5159

of the hosts 6635 of nations 1471?
and I said 559 , Thou shalt call 7121 me, My father 1;
and shalt not turn away 7725 from me 310.


a trade zone 50 per cent
bigger than the EU.


Gillard heralds new era
of trans-Pacific trade

Simon Mann
13-11-2011 - 10:13AM

Japan interested in PM's free trade zone

At the APEC summit in Hawaii, Prime Minister Julia Gillard
welcomes Japan's potential involvement in
a trade zone 50 per cent
bigger than the EU.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/gillard-heralds-new-era-of-transpacific-trade-20111113-1ndfs.html[/quote]
a trade zone 50 per cent
bigger than the EU.


Nine-nation free trade agreement a 'milestone'
by:Mark Kenny in Honolulu
From:Herald Sun
November 14, 2011


US President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama
greet Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Tim Mathieson
before the APEC leaders dinner in Honolulu on Saturday.
Picture: AP AP


AUSTRALIAN farmers and manufacturers will benefit from a nine-nation
free trade deal that leaders hope to have in place within a year.

US President Barack Obama, Prime Minister Julia Gillard and the
heads of seven other Asia-Pacific nations have agreed on the broad
outline of a Trans-Pacific Partnership.


Mr Obama hailed it as a "milestone" that could dwarf the euro-zone.

It commits Australia, Brunei, Chile, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore,
the US and Vietnam to drop all trade barriers.


Ms Gillard said agriculture stood to benefit "a great deal".


"We have very efficient and productive farmers. And when you talk to them
they are very alive to the barriers that prevent them getting full access
into other markets," Ms Gillard said.

"If they had full access they would well and truly compete on price and quality."
Australia's manufacturing sector also faced barriers to selling goods into the region.
"It frustrates many of our manufacturers that they can't get their products to market
at a fair price," she said.


"So it's important."


The agreement is also set to benefit the services sector, including accounting, legal and engineering.


The US also believes it can provide a counterweight to the economic might of China, the world's second largest economy.


Japan's agricultural sector has been notoriously protected from competition for
years, with rice often cited as the signature example.

The price mark-up on imported grain can be as high as 800 per cent.[/quote]


Glossopteris (Fossil) leaf Permian age, Prince Charles Mountains.
(Photo: R Oldfield; Cat: 4766C1)


Antarctic prehistory facts
http://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-antarctica/fact-files/geology/antarctic-prehistory-facts

One more time, FROM THE BEGINNING...

Lebanon = "whiteness"
1) a wooded mountain range on the northern border of Israel

LEBANON

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=lebanon&t=KJV

Every place 4725 whereon the soles 3709 of your feet 7272 shall tread 1869
shall be yours: from the wilderness 4057 and Lebanon 3844,
from the river 5104, the river 5104 Euphrates 6578,
even unto the uttermost 314 sea 3220 shall your coast 1366 be.


LABAN

http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?Criteria=laban&t=KJV&sf=5

And Isaac 3327 sent away 7971 Jacob 3290:
and he went 3212 to Padanaram 6307 unto Laban 3837,
son 1121 of Bethuel 1328 the Syrian 761, the brother 251 of Rebekah 7259,
Jacob's 3290 and Esau's 6215 mother 517.

I left school at 14, not that I went much before then, as by 8, I knew
there was something about The Time Line, we weren't being taught, and
that, 'That Something' had to do with GOD.
Not that I left EDUCATION, I was doing my Horsemasters Diploma by 13,
and continued self education, all my life, taking interest in whatever any expert
on anything had to share.

Seek with your whole heart and whole mind. That's what I set out to do,
and not so much 'despite', but 'because' of the many false paths I'd cross
and take, I discovered that faith, in The Creator and The Truth of His Word,
was the only thing that led me past knowledge, to understanding,
and discovery, of yet more knowledge and understanding.

As I came to understand that just as Australia was 'presented' to be a
land of 'no historic value', my lack of deep interest in the deep sea
and Antarctica, was born of how they were 'presented'.

But my most deep interest was always in seeking to know God, which again,
led me to 'KNOW', what I'm still only discovering, others have long known...and
I should not keep having to argue the facts of.

God Exists!
God Described All The World, All The Earth and All Peoples,
From The Beginning.

And, God Does KEEP ALL HIS PROMISES.

[/quote]
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Post  sharky on Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:22 pm

[quote="true lilly"]
true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS
going on latelyI tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if I post it, it's worth looking into.
true lilly wrote:

I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

rolling pin

I vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!! rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin












sheeesh suzi/lilly, tell us sumthin' we don't know. You're a liar. thumbs up

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.pdf

Theology and Race

AT NOON ON SATURDAY, MAY 6, 1939, a group of Protestant theologians, pastors,
and churchgoers gathered at the historic Wartburg Castle, resonant with Lutheran
and nationalist significance, to celebrate the official opening of the Institute
for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church
Life (Institut zur Erforschung und Beseitigung des jüdischen Einfl usses auf
das deutsche kirchliche Leben). The Institute’s goals were both political and
theological. Seeking to create a dejudaized church for a Germany that was in
the process of ridding Europe of all Jews, it developed new biblical interpretations
and liturgical materials. In the six years of its existence, as the Nazi regime
carried out its genocide of the Jews, the Institute redefi ned Christianity
as a Germanic religion whose founder, Jesus, was no Jew but rather had fought
valiantly to destroy Judaism, falling as victim to that struggle. Germans were
now called upon to be the victors in Jesus’s own struggle against the Jews, who
were said to be seeking Germany’s destruction.


Most members of the Institute, particularly its academic director, Walter
Grundmann, professor of New Testament at the University of Jena, regarded
their work as being in the theological avant-garde, addressing and resolving
a problem that had long plagued Christian theology: how to establish clear and distinct boundaries between earliest Christianity and Judaism and eliminate all traces of Jewish influence from contemporary Christian theology and religious practice. As a predominantly younger generation of scholars, trained by Germany’s leading scholars of early Christianity—many members of the Institute were students of the distinguished Tübingen professor, Gerhard Kittel, himself a Nazi who produced antisemitic propaganda1—they saw themselves able to recover the historically genuine, non-Jewish Jesus and a Christian message compatible with contemporary German identity. Theirs was a goal of purification, authenticity, and theological revolution, all in the name of historical-critical methods and commitment to Germanness, to be achieved by eradicating the Jewish from the Christian. A Christian message tainted by Jewishness could not serve Germans, nor could a Jewish message be the accurate teaching of Jesus.
The Institute’s goals were stated forthrightly at its opening by Grundmann, who delivered the keynote lecture on “The Dejudaization of the Religious Life as the Task of German Theology and Church.” The present era, he declared, was similar to the Reformation: Protestants had to overcome Judaism just as Luther had overcome Catholicism. “The elimination of Jewish infl uence on German life is the urgent and fundamental question of the present German religious situation.”


Modern New Testament scholarship had made apparent the “deformation of New Testament ideas into Old Testament preconceptions, so that now angry recognition of the Jewishness in the Old Testament and in parts of the New Testament has arisen, obstructing access to the Bible for innumerable German people.”2
The Bible would have to be purified, Grundmann continued, restored to its pristine condition, to proclaim the truth about Jesus: that he sought the destruction of Judaism.


Munich’s Cardinal Faulhaber, for example, delivered a series of Advent sermons in 1933 attacking the German Christian movement, but his argument, almost identical to what the Confessing Church leaders came to argue, was that the Old Testament need not be eliminated as a Jewish book, as some German Christians advocated; it was, rather, an anti-Jewish book, Faulhaber insisted, since the prophets were constantly condemning Israel for its sinful ways.7 Faulhaber’s objection, then, was not to the German Christians’ antisemitism, but to their failure to realize that the Old Testament itself was on their side.8

ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY
Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting
anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfi lled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14


In reality Nazism accomplished but few of its goals. But in one area, that of the Jewish question, political myth achieved its purpose to the full. Here the regime met the least opposition from those who in other matters were hardly in accord with Nazism—be it intellectuals, the churches or public opinion in the Reich or abroad. The Jew served as the focal point round which Nazism turned and on which the structural process of value-transformation and reversal of meanings took place. Among the values and meanings that were transformed, the symbol itself was turned into substance; consequently, the negation of Judaism had to be transformed into the annihilation of the Jew, this time not spiritually but rather physically, not symbolically but in substance.” Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption,

and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.
Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fi ghter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?
Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.
Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European
culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political signifi cance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19
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The error Of Replacement Theology

http://www.therefinersfire.org/replacement_theology.htm

Replacement Theology was introduced to the Church shortly after Gentile leadership took over from Jewish leadership. What are its premises?

Israel (the Jewish people and the land) has been replaced by the Christian Church in the purposes of God, or, more precisely, the Church is the historic continuation of Israel to the exclusion of the former.


The Jewish people are now no longer a "chosen people." In fact, they are no different from any other group, such as the English, Spanish, or Africans.


Apart from repentance, the new birth, and incorporation into the Church, the Jewish people have no future, no hope, and no calling in the plan of God. The same is true for every other nation and group.


Since Pentecost of Acts 2, the term "Israel," as found in the Bible, now refers to the Church.


The promises, covenants and blessings ascribed to Israel in the Bible have been taken away from the Jews and given to the Church, which has superseded them. However, the Jews are subject to the curses found in the Bible, as a result of their rejection of Christ.

Replacement Theology

Its Origins, Teachings and Errors

By Dr. Gary Hedrick, President of CJF Ministries

(With Minor Editing By Rabbi Loren)


http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

Definition

Replacement Theology - reduced to its simplest form - teaches that the Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. The term “Replacement Theology” is relatively new and unfamiliar to many people (in some cases, even those who believe in it). Among theologians, the older and more widely used term is “supersessionism.” The Church “supersedes” Israel. Its proponents teach that God has set aside Israel and made the Church “new Israel,” the new and improved people of God. There are many variations within the broad spectrum of Replacement Theology, but two of the main approaches are these:

1. Israel’s role as the people of God was completed (economic supersessionism). This is the kinder and gentler way of stating the basic thesis of Replacement Theology. It says that once the Messiah came 2,000 years ago, Israel’s mission was completed. A transition occurred at that point, and the Church took over as the people of God and became the focal point for the outworking of God’s plan and purpose in redemption. God is no longer working administratively through ethnic Israel.

2. Israel’s place as the people of God was forfeited (punitive supersessionism). Other Replacement theologians are more straightforward and actually say that the supposed replacement of Israel was a divine judgment on the nation for its rejection of the Messiah in the first century. This is what some writers have called “punitive secessionism.”

Perhaps Martin Luther articulated this position most eloquently when he wrote: “For such ruthless wrath of God is sufficient evidence that they [i.e., the Jewish people] assuredly have erred and gone astray. Even a child can comprehend this. For one dare not regard God as so cruel that he would punish his own people so long, so terrible, so unmercifully … Therefore this work of wrath is proof that the Jews, surely rejected by God, are no longer his people, and neither is he any longer their God” (“On the Jews and Their Lies,” Trans. Martin H. Bertram, in Luther’s Works [Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971], p. 265).

Common threads that weave their way through the numerous variations of supersessionism are (1) that God is finished with Israel as a nation, and (2) that the promises He made to Israel in the Old Testament have been inherited by the Church. (However, most Replacement theologians are reluctant to say that the Church - which is largely in apostasy today - has also inherited the curses and judgments that God pronounced on Israel for her apostasy.)

One defender of Replacement Theology writes: “The Jewish nation no longer has a place as the special people of God; that place has been taken by the Christian community which fulfills God’s purpose for Israel” (Bruce Waltke, “Kingdom Promises as Spiritual,” in Continuity and Discontinuity: Perspectives on the Relationship Between the Testaments, Ed. John S. Feinberg [Wheaton, Illinois: Crossway, 1987] p. 275). This is how one evangelical theologian summarized the essence of supersessionism in a paper he presented at the Evangelical Theological Society annual meeting a few years ago: “The issue is whether national Israel as an administrative structure is still in the plan of God” (“A Future for Israel in Covenant Theology: The Untold Story” by R. Todd Mangum, Instructor in Historical and Systematic Theology at Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania [November 16, 2000], p. 20.


THE END TIME SOLUTION TO
REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY!
By Rabbi/Brother Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky


http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=3&type=12

The hideous falsehood known as replacement theology has been a cancer in theological circles for the past two millennia that just seems to refuse to go away. While replacement theology takes on different applications, and modes, it is a theology originated by the early non Jewish fathers of the so called "Christian Church". It coldly states that a new Rome centered, and Roman based ecclesiastical organization called "the church", is the "new Israel". This new Israel, would now forever replace Jewish Israel, since Yahuwah permanently rejected the Jews for killing their Messiah, His Son. Extreme proponents of replacement theology have even gone so far as to claim that Yahuwah, the mean, and cruel despot, was the Elohim of the Old Covenant Jews, as opposed to Yahshua who is the forever loving, kind, and compassionate Elohim who had REPLACED YAHUWAH AS LORD OF "THE CHURCH" OR THE SO CALLED "NEW ISRAEL". In other words, Yahshua’s people have replaced the Father’s people.

This hideous doctrine is by no means a small theological side issue to be argued in a local pub. It has been at the forefront of antisemitism, Judeo-phobia, and has fully provided fuel for tragic historical events such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Catholic Crusades, the ouster of the Jews from every European country, as well as the Nazi holocaust. As history clearly demonstrates, Martin Luther, and other Protestant reformers blueprinted both the call, and the plans for the annihilation of the Jewish nation from Europe, and later the world by providing "so called Christians", with biblical justification to perpetrate genocide on world Jewry. Adolph Hitler knew full well that he could find theological approval, and support from these church folks. The inbred functionalism of this spiritual cancer amongst those that preach Yahshua is so widespread that it cannot be fully reversed, and eliminated until Yahshua’s millennial reign begins shortly when He returns to the earth. Even such seemingly benign church doctrines such as "Kingdom Now" theology or "Dominion" theology, where the so called "church" will christianize the world through the establishment of the bible as a global constitution, and whereby all world powers, and authorities will be won to, and taken over by Christendom, are nothing more than new attempts at replacing the "troublesome Jews". Wasn’t this flawed global christianization program, whereby Yahshua would merely take over a globally loyal populace converted through church efforts, already tried numerous times? Historically they were called the Crusades, Inquisitions, and Pogroms. Was it not the Crusaders who were attempting to take the globe by the sword, and convert, and subdue it by the gospel?

The theology of "Dominion Now" or "Kingdom Now", is nothing but a papal farce, designed to enlist Protestants in a new age attempt to liquidate the Jewish race, by theology rather than by a sword. They believe twentieth century man will not respond favorably to any elimination of the Jewish nation via bloodletting. Therefore in these last days, we see a major resurgence in "church" theology, designed to subdue, and eliminate the Jew. In these various applications of replacement theology, the Jew has no future whatsoever unless he agrees to become one with "the church", and assimilate his precious customs, feasts, seventh day Sabbaths, and the rest of his national identity through incorporation or more accurately through disappearance, and integration within "the church".

These hideous theologies call anything Jewish to be anti Christ, and legalistic. Jewish practices are not welcome in their church systems. It is simply fascinating to me that "the church" has this insatiable desire to institute biblical law, and church sovereignty over the globe by spreading Yahuwah’s laws, when one of the major errors within Christianity is the very rejection, and the denial of the validity of first covenant instruction in New Covenant times.

The so called "church" system has repeatedly, and pridefully proclaimed to its adherents that the Torah or the laws of first covenant Israel are passed away, and nailed to the cross, and have therefore been replaced by the second covenant law, which is love, baby, love. In other words, this man made ecclesiastical organization started, funded, and headquartered in Rome, now wants to force their paganized Christendom down the throats of the worlds populace, with obedience to THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, and other teachings all based on the Decalogue, all the while instructing her very own members that it is not applicable to the New Covenant "church". Now you talk about confusion! How can a man made ecclesiastical system that is boastfully, and wrongfully antinomian (anti-Torah), at it’s very core theology, force the world’s populace to submit to rules, and regulations that they themselves loath as having preceded from the Jewish despot named Yahuwah, and His Jews? Remember that in true replacement theology a pagan blonde haired, and blue eyed European, pork eating Jesus (the English translation of the sun deity Zeus), has replaced Yahuwah the Father as LORD (from the pagan deity Lourdes), over his "church" (from the pagan circular ritual conducted by the Celts).

The most disturbing part of all this is that replacement theology continues to spread overtly, and covertly in these last days seemingly unchecked, and undetected by born again folks of all denominations, as well as by Messianic Jews. As this study progresses you will find, and discover the alarming fact that modern day Messianic Judaism has in most cases fallen into the same trap of replacement theology that they loath, and despise. Messianic Judaism has every right to loath replacement theology. However through error, and pride they not only forsake the true solution to the error of replacement theology, (which is readily available by studying the scriptures accurately with an open mind), but worse yet, they have unknowingly become accomplices to the doctrine itself.

Before we demonstrate the biblically prescribed means for the elimination of this hideous creed, we will learn a few more insights into this doctrine of replacement theology. The first error of this false doctrine is that the church has replaced Israel (the Jews) as the historic continuation of the people of Israel. According to this line of reasoning, Jewish Israel ceased from being a people, with a historic relevancy to Yahuwah at Pentecost in 33 AD. In other words, a total cessation of all eternal promises, and blessings which had been promised to the Jews, had come about because of the New Covenant "church", who unilaterally declared the first covenant promises to the Jews null, and void. The truth of course is that the physical descendents of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, had, and will continue to have a crucial, and vital role in the historical, and redemptive purposes of the Father. Replacement theology declares that the Jews are no different than any other people group, and that their chosen status was self appointed, and has ceased when their "European" non Jewish (Jesus) went to the cross.

The truth of course is that no other nation before or since has been earmarked by Yahuwah to work out His redemptive, and earthly will, as has Israel (12 tribes).


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Re: Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia

Post  true lilly on Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:45 pm

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
Evil or Very Mad
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA

Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby

UPDATE 7am:

STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau

warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.

I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill



Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!
Wink Very Happy

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL
, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:
barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!


BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS

going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.
See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.


Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD
,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.


SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough
humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.


P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.
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Re: Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia

Post  MoMo on Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:09 am

Yo!!!! Suzy Woo Woo, clue me up how lying about Gods Book is 'getting right' with Him, or for that matter, gossiping and judging and cursing others is 'getting right' with Him?

You, propose, without any credentials or prerequisite education in Hebrew, that you are able to interpret the Jews Sacred Hebrew scriptures better, more accurately; then ALL the Rabbis/Teachers and credentialed Biblical Scholars on Planet Earth and make the preposterous, unsupported claim that the Hebrew word Mizraim does not mean Egypt, or that the Hebrews did not sojourn from Egypt, through the Sinai into Canaan/Israel.

You're Hubris is so gargantuan you use a Language you do not know: Hebrew, and attempt to write the Jews and Israel out of their own Book.......your Hubris is of monumental size. You claim the Torah is 'done away' with and then proceed to reinterpret it.

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I proved you were wrong about your False Doctrine of Church replacement of the Jews and Israel Theology.

http://www.shema.com/Combating%20Replacement%20Theology/crt-004.php

I proved you wrong about your False Theology that Yahshua/Jesus and the Apostles 'did away' with YHWHs Torah/Instruction.

http://www.yrm.org/yah_p_law.htm

Romans 10:4—
For Yahshua is the ultimate result of keeping the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes.


"I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods in My presence..."
This commandment is to be aware that the God of Israel exists absolutely and influences all events in the world[23][dead link] and that the goal of the redemption from Egypt was to become His servants (Rashi). It requires the acknowledgment of the single God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and the denial of the existence of false gods (Rashi)



Yahshua said (Matthew 23:37-40) “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang (hinge) all the law and the prophets.”

The whole point of Human existence is to learn and practice the SEcond Commandment that Yahshua declares...........Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. ........so far you are failing miserably............. thumbs up ...........gossiping, judging, fearmongering, bearing false witness...........time to shape up and fly right Suzy Woo Woo............... thumbs up

Time to stand Toe to Toe like you falsely claim you do......support your False Teachings.................you extract Scripture from it context to twist it to fit your bias, Noah was 10 Generations AFTER Adam, long after the continents divided, Peleg was 5 Generations after Noah, the verse you twist to claim it is about the Continents Dividing means no such thing...it is in relation to the Tower of Babylon incident when YHWH confused the tongues of Humankind and dispersed them to the far corners of the Earth.........the whole icident is about the Hubris of humans, something you should, but don't recognize....read/study the following Documents.
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Studies in the Book of Genesis Part 1:
The Curse of Canaan
Allen P. Ross


http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross_CurseOfCanaan_BSac.pdf


Genesis, the book of beginnings, is primarily concerned with
tracing the development of God's program of blessing. The bless-
ing is pronounced on God's creation, but sin (with its subsequent
curse) brought deterioration and decay. After the Flood there is a
new beginning with a renewal of the decrees of blessing, but once
again corruption and rebellion leave the human race alienated
and scattered across the face of the earth. Against this backdrop
God began His program of blessing again, promising blessing to
those obedient in faith and cursing to those who rebel. The rest of
the book explains how this blessing developed: God's chosen
people would become a great nation and inherit the land of Ca-
aan. So throughout Genesis the motifs of blessing and cursing
occur again and again in connection with those who are chosen
and those who are not......................The purpose of this section in Genesis, then, is to portray the
characteristics of the three branches of the human race in rela-
tion to blessing and cursing. In pronouncing the oracle, Noah
discerned the traits of his sons and, in a moment of insight,
determined that the attributes of their descendants were em-
bodied in their personalities.2 Because these sons were pri-
mogenitors of the families of the earth, the narrator is more
interested in the greater meaning of the oracle with respect to
tribes and nations in his day than with the children of Shem,
Ham, and Japheth.3
Shem, the ancestor of the Shemites to whom the Hebrews
belonged, acted in good taste and was blessed with the possession
of the knowledge of the true God, Yahweh. Japheth, the ancestor
of the far-flung northern tribes which include the Hellenic
peoples,4 also acted properly and thus shared in the blessing of
Shem and was promised geographical expansion. In contrast,
Ham, represented most clearly to Israel by the Egyptians and
Canaanites, acted wrongly in violating sexual customs regarded
as sacred and as a result had one line of his descendants cursed
with subjugation.5
So the oracle of Noah, far from being concerned simply with
the fortunes of the immediate family, actually pertains to vast
movements of ancient peoples...................Canaan, then, is the prototype of the population that suc-
cumbed to enervating influences and was doomed by its vices to
enslavement at the hands of hardier and more virtuous races.52
Because Ham, the "father" of Canaan, had desecrated the honor
of his father by seeing his uncovered nakedness, this divine and
prophetic oracle is pronounced on the people who would be
known for their immorality in a shameful way, a trait discernible
in this little story in the history of beginnings.
The blessing aspect is given to Shem, but the wording is
unexpected: "Blessed be the LORD [Yahweh], the God of Shem."
The emphasis on the possession of God by his name is
strengthened in this line in a subtle way. Delitzsch says, "Yahweh
makes himself a name in becoming the God of Shem, and thus
entwines His name with that of Shem, which means ‘name.’53
By blessing one's God, the man himself is blessed. The idea is
that Shem will ascribe his good fortune to Yahweh his God, for his
advantage is not personal merit; his portion is Yahweh.54 The
great line of blessing will be continued through Shem from Noah
to Abram, the man of promise.
Here again, however, the point of the oracle looks to the
descendants. It would then be clear to Israel, who found them-
selves in such a personal, covenantal relationship with Yahweh,
that they were the heirs of this blessing..........


4Unfortunately Part 2 I have not found on the 'Net, for free ($50).....here are Parts 3 & 4


Who is this 'god' you serve? It can't be YHWH. You know nothing of Him or His Plan for humankind.

Studies in the Book of Genesis Part 3:

The Table of Nations in

Genesis 10--Its Content

Allen P. Ross



http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-TableNations-BSac.htm

THE SONS OF HAM (10:6-20)

More attention is given to the line of Ham than to that of

Japheth or Shem. Ham's line has four branches: Cush, Mizraim,

Put, and Canaan. All four are probably place names for Nubia-

Egypt, Upper and Lower Egypt, Libya, and Phoenicia-Palestine

respectively. In addition, the descendants of these four are both

places and tribes.

Ham is the ancestor of all these people from Phoenicia to

Africa. The etymology of the word Ham is disputed,18 but it is

used to depict countries in close proximity to Egypt.

Cush is the "eldest son" according to the plan of the Table. In

antiquity this was an independent kingdom on the southern

flank of Egypt; and especially during the reign of Kamose it

served as the backbone of the Egyptian army, helping to expel the

Asiatics (Hyksos).19 So the list begins in the far south with the

African tribes known to the Greeks as Ethiopians.

Mizraim lies to the north of Cush. The word occurs almost

ninety times in the Old Testament for Egypt...................Mizraim developed

into tribes. From the Egyptians sprang the Ludim, a group of

African tribes west of the Delta;36 the Anamim, in the vicinity of

Cyrene;37 the Lehabim, the Libyans on the north African shore

(Nah. 3:9 and Dan. 11:43); the Naphtuhim, the people of the

Delta (Lower Egypt); the Pathrusim, the people of Upper Egypt;38

the Casluhim, the people who dwelt east of the Delta between

Egypt and Canaan;39 and the Caphtorim, the Cretans.40

The clause "from whence come the Philistines" is problem-

atic because of its position in the text. Scripture connects the

origin of the Philistines with Caphtor (Amos 9:7; Deut. 2:23;

Jer. 47:4), but the Caphtorim, the Cretans, come after this

clause. While some have suggested rearranging the clauses, it

may not be necessary. The clause in the Table suggests migration

and not lineage. Amos has the Philistines from Caphtor in the

same sense that Israel was from Egypt--migration and not

origination.41 The difficulty may be solved by looking at their

origin and their migration from the Aegean bases through Caph-

tor into the Delta and finally into Palestine.

.................................That the promised land is central to the Table can be seen

from the arrangement of the descendants. The Japhethites are

spread from east to west across the northern frontier; the Ham-

ites surround the land from south to west; and the Shemites are

traced from the eastern to the southern borders of the land.

Moreover, the preoccupation with the Canaanites in the land of

promise shows the concern of the writer to fit the Table to the

message of the book: the fulfillment of God's promise to bless

Israel as a nation in that land, and to bless those nations that

bless her, and curse those who are antagonistic to her.

The Table then deliberately selected these tribes and traced

their development.
...............................The passage then refers to the developing line from Arpach-shad, using the form through Shelah to Eber. One of Eber's

sons is Peleg, in whose days the earth was divided (probably

referring to the division of nations at Babel 52). Once the Table

mentions Peleg, it traces his line no further.
.................According to Genesis, the new nation of Israel was to be

blessed as God's people in the land of Canaan. God's plan to bless

Israel involved the movement, displacement, and subjugation of

other peoples. The oracle of Noah in Genesis 9 anticipated the

blessing for Shem, along with Japheth, and the cursing of Ca-

naan, a son of Ham. This Table in Genesis 10 gives direction to

that oracle. It presents the lines of Shem and Japheth as pure

tribal groups around the promised land; it also presents the old

block of Hamites, especially the mixed races in the land of Ca-

naan, as the predominant powers on the earth
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Studies in the Book of Genesis
Part 4:
The Dispersion of the
Nations in Genesis 11:1-9
Allen P. Ross
Introduction to the Passage


http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-DispersionGn11-BSac.pdf

THE NATURE OF THE ACCOUNT
The narrative in Genesis 11:1-9 describes the divine inter-
vention among the human family to scatter them across the face
of the earth by means of striking at the :heart of their unity- their
language. A quick reading of the passage shows that the pre-
dominant idea is not the tower of Babel but this scattering.
If the point is not simply the tower, then this passage does not
present, as some have suggested, a Hebrew adaptation of the
Greek Titans storming heaven to dislodge God. Rather, the char-
acteristics of the people in this story are anxiety and pride
through their own gregariousness.1 The tower, on the one hand,
is born from the people's fear of being scattered across the earth;
and on the other hand it is an attempt to frustrate God's plan to
fill the earth (Gen. 9:1).
The sin. Since the story has the trappings of a judgment
narrative in which Yahweh interrupts mankind's misguided
activities and scatters them abroad, it may be assumed that the
antithesis of this scattering must be the sin. The major error was
not the building of a city, but the attempt of the race to live in one
City.2 Therefore it appears that the human family was striving for
unity, security, and social immortality (making a name) in de-
fiance of God's desire for them to fill the earth.
Divine punishment. It is important to keep in mind that the
"judgment" was not the destruction of the city but of the language that united the people. It was shattered into a multiplicity
of languages so that the common bond was destroyed.3 Thus the
text is demonstrating that the present number of languages that
form national barriers is a monument to sin.....................So it is with this story that the common history of all man-
kind comes to an abrupt end, which leaves the human race
hopelessly scattered across the face of the entire earth. It is this
that makes the present narrative so different from those preced-
ing it: In each judgment there was a gracious provision for hope
but in this judgment there is none. It does not offer a token of
grace, a promise of any blessing, a hope of salvation, or a way of
escape. There is no clothing for the naked sinner, no protective
mark for the fugitive, no rainbow in the dark sky. There is no ray
of hope. The primeval age ends with judgmental scattering and
complete confusion. The blessing is not here; the world must
await the new history.
In view of this, the story of the scattering of the nations is
actually the turning point of the book from primeval history to
the history of the blessing. From this very confused and dis-
persed situation nations would develop in utter futility until God
would make a great nation through one man who himself would
be "scattered" from this alluvial plain to the land of Canaan. The
blessings of final redemption and unification would come
through his seed.........................Irony is seen in the beginning and the ending of this pas-
sage. The group at Babel began as the whole earth (11:1), but
now they were spread over the whole earth (11:9). By this the
lesson is clarified: God's purpose will be accomplished in spite of
the arrogance and defiance of man's own purposes. He brings
down the proud, but exalts the faithful.
The significance of this little story is great. It explains to
God's people how the nations were scattered abroad. Yet the
import goes much deeper. The fact that it was Babylon, the
beginning of kingdoms under Nimrod from Cush, adds a rather
ominous warning: Great nations cannot defy God and long sur-
vive. The new nation of Israel need only survey the many nations
around her to perceive that God disperses and curses the rebel-
lious, bringing utter confusion and antagonism among them. If
Israel would obey and submit to God's will, then she would be the
source of blessing to the world.
Unfortunately, Israel also raised her head in pride and re-
fused to obey the Lord God. Thus she too was scattered across the
face of the earth.

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Bullshit lilly, I've countered every one of your false arguments, you have never replied. Define Zion....Mizraim.....Torah.........Israel..........you attack the jews, the Torah and Israel, you quote scripture like satan to distort and deform it to fit YOUR agenda....... thumbs up


......................For those who falsely claim that Yahshua Messiah/Jesus 'Did away with' the Torah/Laws of YHWH, I challenge you to explain these verses of Scripture.

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

Matthew 4
1 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil.

2 And after having fasted forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3 And the trier came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the set- apart city, set Him on the edge of the Set- apart Place,

6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Yahshua said to him, “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try YHWH your Elohim.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the reigns of the world, and their esteem,

9 and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Yahshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’



Yahshua cites Torah 3 Times with Authority....beaware of the False Teachers.

Is the New Testament Yahweh's Word?

Don't Accept The New Testament As Yahweh's Word On The Basis Of Human Tradition

http://www.serveyahweh.org/Religion/newtestament.htm

In the context of the New Testament canon Yahweh's people should not accept that the New Testament is Yahweh's word simply on the basis of human tradition. For Yah'shuah has shown that human tradition is NOT the basis for determining true worship. The New Testament, or any portion of it, should only be accepted as Yahweh's word only where it is fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment. But if it, or any portion of it, is not fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment it cannot and should not be accepted as Yahweh's word or commandment!



Live By Every Word That Proceeds Out Of Yahweh's Mouth
Matthew 4:4 reads,

4:4But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’"

In these comments Yah'shuah quoted from Moses' words to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 8:3,

8:3He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you didn’t know, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.



Truth Is Yahweh's Word

John 17:17 reads,

17:17Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.

It is therefore clear from Yah'shuah's words that human beings are to live by every word proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh. He also defines truth as Yahweh's word. Therefore living by the truth is living by Yahweh's word, living by Yahweh's commandment. This is what human beings are to live by, and not by human tradition, especially human tradition contrary to Yahweh's word.



To Believe Yah'shuah/Jesus You Must Believe Moses' Writings
John 5:46-47 reads,

5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 5:47But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Yah'shuah's words show that it is necessary for one to believe Moses' writings in order to believe him. In other words, those who believe Moses' writings are the ones who believe Yah'shuah, and those who do not believe Moses' writings are the one who do not believe Yah'shuah. Yah'shuah therefore implicitly affirmed that Moses' writings are indeed Yahweh's word.



Yah'shuah Didn't Destroy The Law Or The Prophets

Matthew 5:17-18 reads,

5:17"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. 5:18For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.

Yah'shuah therefore affirmed that the law and the prophets, the writings he affirmed as Yahweh's word, would continue in applicability even up to the time of the passing away of heaven and earth. Seeing that heaven and earth are still with us it is indeed the conclusion that nothing has passed away from the law, and it remains in full application.



Yah'shuah Commanded His Disciples To Abide By Moses' Authority

Matthew 23:1-4 reads,

23:1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 23:2saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat. 23:3All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don’t do their works; for they say, and don’t do. 23:4For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.

Yah'shuah commanded human beings, including his disciples, to abide by the authority vested in Moses. In other words, he simply affirmed his word in Matthew 5:17-18, on the continuing applicability of the law or Yahweh's word as delivered by Moses to the children of Israel.



Believe What The Prophets Have Spoken

Luke 24:25-27 reads,

24:25He said to them, "Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?" 24:27Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yah'shuah's usage of the writings of Moses and those of the prophets shows that he acknowledged these as Yahweh's word. For in Matthew 4 and 15 he clearly taught that human beings are to live only by Yahweh's word, and here he was indeed teaching his disciples by the writings of Moses and the prophets. Yah'shuah therefore acknowledged that the writings of Moses and the prophets are indeed Yahweh's word.


Live By The Writings In The Law Of Moses, The Prophets And The Psalms

Luke 24:42-49 reads,

24:42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 24:43He took it, and ate in front of them. 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled."

24:45Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures. 24:46He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 24:47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48You are witnesses of these things. 24:49Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high."

According to Yah'shuah the collection of writings that made up Yahweh's word, what all human beings are to live by, is that called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms - what is today called the Old Testament. This is synonymous with the Scriptures, according to the author of the above words - Luke.



Yah'shuah's Disciples Of All Nations Are To Observe The Things He Personally Commanded His Disciples
Matthew 28:18-20 reads,

28:18Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Yah'shuah clearly commanded his disciples to teach new disciples of all nations to observe all things that he had commanded his disciples. He commanded them to live by every word that proceeds out of Yahweh's mouth. He also showed them that Yahweh's word is contained in the writings called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms (writings), now commonly known as the Old Testament. Therefore, the things that Yah'shuah's disciples are to observe are those that are contained in the writings commonly called the Old Testament. For observing the things in these writings is indeed living by words proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh, seeing that words that proceeded out of Yahweh's mouth are contained in these writings.



Yahweh's Word To His Disciples Concerning Verification Of Words

Isaiah 8:16-20 reads,

8:16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17I will wait for Yahweh, who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18Behold, I and the children whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Yahweh of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. 8:19When they shall tell you, "Consult with those who have familiar spirits and with the wizards, who chirp and who mutter:" shouldn’t a people consult with their God? On behalf of the living should they consult with the dead? 8:20To the law and to the testimony! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

8:16 clearly shows that the testimony (prophets and writings) and the law (of Moses) should be bound and sealed among Yahweh's disciples. And in matters of light Yahweh's disciples are not to consult with forces of darkness. They are to consult only the law and the testimony. In other words, the very writings that Yah'shuah later used in affirming that he was indeed the Messiah, the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings, are the very same ones that Yahweh commands his disciples to consult. For light is contained in his word, which is recorded in these writings. And anyone speaking contrary to his word in these writings is devoid of light. In other words, any writing that is contrary to the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings is not Yahweh's word, but a word and work of darkness!



Another Test Yahweh Gives His People Concerning Verification Of Words

Deuteronomy 18:9-22 reads,

18:9When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 18:10There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 18:11or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 18:12For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh your God does drive them out from before you. 18:13You shall be perfect with Yahweh your God. 18:14For these nations, that you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice sorcery, and to diviners; but as for you, Yahweh your God has not allowed you so to do. 18:15Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me; to him you shall listen; 18:16according to all that you desired of Yahweh your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I not die. 18:17Yahweh said to me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 18:19It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 18:20But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 18:21If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.



Don't Listen To Those Who Practice Abominations

Yahweh clearly warned the children of Israel not to listen to those who practice abominations - the practices of darkness as seen in Isaiah 8:16-20. It is on account of both practising these abominations and listening to the practitioners of these abominations that Yahweh cast out of the land of Canaan those who inhabited it prior to the children of Israel
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................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........rodin; suzi woo woo: you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.


Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.


Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.
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One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.


This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!


It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!


I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?


II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.


II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.


Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.


I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).


Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.


I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;


I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .


However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;


http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf



Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an ddon't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain. thumbs up

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.


ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................


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Re: Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia

Post  true lilly on Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:44 am

Thanks palomino, for doing your own fact finding and sharing what you find.

Archeology news ; )‏


http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3372540.htm

Oh my gosh.
Now I'm just putting in google the words
"abc",
"ancient" and "australia"
and going through them one by one.
Its just
astounding! There is SO much.




One excuse on wiki: Australia doesnt have any monkeys
therefore humans could not have originated
here!!! LOL



I remember Terry Pratchett... Hey my relatives arent
monkeys - my aunts and uncles werent that bad! ; )



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-25/early-humans-skilled-deep-sea-fishers/3694324
Today!!!!!


How many times lately can you feel the world
turning?



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-18/new-micro-continents-feature/3680894
Just recently....


http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2000/07/21/153770.htm
Phoenician mine in Australia?



I found the ABC science archives!!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/archive/?site=science/askanexpert&subsite=science&topic=latest&section=2004&subsection=11November

main link

It seems to be a really easy reference. You might have comes across some before. But I found some good
stuff on Antartica.


http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2002/06/03/570155.htm?site=science/askanexpert&topic=latest
Oh and a reminder of this -- Rewriting the 'bible of
Egyptology'



http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/06/04/1123856.htm?site=science/askanexpert&topic=latest

Dry valleys in Antartica

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/11/09/1239175.htm?site=science/askanexpert&topic=latest


http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2011/05/19/3220917.htm

Heavy rain revealing the past.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2004/07/20/1157172.htm?site=science/askanexpert&topic=latest

Earliest songbirds had an Aussie
twang



Oh, and sorry I haven't got back to you yet, but I keep getting remotely cut off internet services, while all the computers keep telling us there's nothing wrong and we are connected.
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Re: Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia

Post  true lilly on Mon Dec 26, 2011 11:02 am

Professor Bill Collins devises
'billion-year perspective'
to pinpoint minerals

From:AAP
December 27, 2011

12:24AM


AN Australian scientist says he has found a way to make it easier to locate valuable minerals.


Professor Bill Collins, of the University of Newcastle's School of Environmental and
Life Sciences, says he has devised a new "billion-year perspective" that examines
the way the Earth was constructed over the past 2000 million years.


The information can be used to try to pinpoint the location
of potential mineral deposits.


"We can use continental drift and other techniques
to track the continents back through time,"
Prof Collins said today.


"It is like a big jigsaw puzzle
with bits and pieces of continents
ripping off one landmass
and transferring to another."

Prof Collins believes the Pacific Rim
contains many copper and gold deposits.


Examining geological information contained in tiny grains of zircon,
which is common in the crust of the Earth, has also given him a new way
to find where the ancient "Pacific Rims" were.


"Many of the ancient margins are now within the continental interior.
This is where the copper and gold reserves will be hidden."

Prof Collins said the ability to predict prospective terrains,
both under the surface and in the highest geological layers,
will be the biggest benefit of his research.
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Re: Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia

Post  Billy Ruben on Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:54 pm

You want a bloody fuckin’ spam war,I’ll give you a spam war,Biatch,laughing at you.

Billy Ruben wrote:

And the purpose of this spam,what to highlight your obsessive compulsiveness to bump your own threads,WOW!!!!,Suzy Ryan,you're just amazing.

So,how come the last two months of spammed links,that say absolutely nothing,without any replies from others,have a readership,less than ten views,all of which are yours?
Hmmmmmmmm,you see,regardless that you despise me,you rely on folks like me to help your readership.That's why I was ignoring you tonight,which drove you crazy,then you lied and here's the result of your actions.




You make me hard...



Quick,look over your shoulder,it's the David Vincent monster,Rawrrrrrrrrrr!!!!


Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote: Still not a shred of evidence,
but another string of very badly timed lies... Rolling Eyes
...to what, 'give cred.' to "his" 'word'???

So,what was it like getting banned at HPANWO.I was besides myself laughing,knowing you'll never be able to leave here and spread your wings.And to see Handbag get riled up about you,when only a month before you joined he said you were more than welcome at HPANWO...But I knew better.

Just you pride yourself on the internet,Mmmmm,your god doesn't like pride.You should learn to be a good God Spammer,not an evil one.
It's a novelty having you at Sodlike,but under my rule,you'll do as exactly as you're told.And I LOVE the thought of that...I could really FAP to it.

Hmmm,Novelty,watcha ya gonna do when the novelty is gone....Ian Curtis again.



Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:

I must say though Suzy Ryan,if it wasn't for you,I wouldn't know how to use half the functions here,or learn the new art of SPAM.You never know,this lunatic fringe could be marketed for alot of money and find a nice niche for mental patients to have fun with,we'll see,when I take over this place and make it a true menagerie for the twisted,just like you.


Billy Ruben wrote:

blowjob time,back in 40....
Still nothing.

well,I'm a bit of a stayer....and it's been a long 48 hours since my last one.Oh,you were saying,oh,that's right.

Now you raised a lie I must confront.
David Icke duped me into being a spruiker...For him???
Are you fucking mad as well as a liar?
Icke couldn't stand a thing I write these days.Now why would the man want a drug addled basket case spruiking for him?
Does it look good for Icke to have a heavy percentage of his supporters,as well as his enemies all to be basket cases of some sort.Most I talked to at DIF were ADHD or Hyperactive,Bi-Polar or Manic Depressive,or just plain schizo like you.
I don't spruik for Icke and did that thread by influence from another,as well as to shit you and Sod off,like you do to me...so go fuck yourself Suzy spastic schizoid Ryan.

I don't care,nor give a fuck.Now does that answer your question you doggie girl????


cthulhu lmao rolf wacky boobies catfight dizzy dogshag dif
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:after waiting more than an hour for me to "pop my lolly",she logs off.Hehehehehe,must've burnt her to find I really started the thread just to shit her off and she was hoping to flip it somehow,thinking she can offend me with insulting Icke.

Icke lives in Blighty,or the UK for others.If he can't get over being laughed at by the Wogan show,or the pisstakes down at the pub,then fucking move.He's pommy English,he should be used to back-stabbing,whiney cockney tongues,that's their culture,whinge and whine about everyone and everything.That's why Aussies call them "Whinging Pommes".He's a big boy and doesn't need me to hold his hand or spruik for him,That's what the moderators are for.We have a differing opinion there,but that's the way Sean runs the game and I never agreed with his ways.It's about psychology,not product placement and if they can't accept that,to bad.What forums do I write for,all of them except for David Icke Forums,or DIF as it's known here.

Happy now?
Fucking lying toad of a woman you are Suzy....No-one owns Billy Ruben/Thelyran or David Vincent,get that through your deluded head...one day Suzy,we'll meet and I will slap your face open handedly,Laugh all you like,have your two sons there too...get it.


cthulhu

I suppose that blows your rumours,lies and theories out of the water you discuss behind the scenes there Suzy old Girl.

I always know,it's just when I want to pull the plug on your lunacy and show you up to the others you lie too.Not everyone is connected and part of your secret,sick,sad world.

If you're so brave and honest,go on,post a modern photo of yourself with a clear picture of your eyes...and yes,you are'nt no show pony,probably blown a few,but you never were,what you call desireable.It's not for that reason.So in advance,don't flatter yourself,like you always do,champion breeder.

*Hint*

I mention the name Suzy Ryan...the laughter on the other end of the line,you're an open joke and an open sewer Suzy Ryan.So don't think I'm not to well informed.




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Re: Aboriginal Stonehenge: Stargazing in ancient Australia

Post  true lilly on Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:49 pm

true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
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...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.
Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to
,
One VERY big 'hint'

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
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Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
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tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of AUSTRALIA.
Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.


The road to OZ....




The Golden Road...

California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...



Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.




From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.
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