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To quote "tintin", "it's all connected".

Post  true lilly on Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:55 pm

To quote "tintin", "it's all connected".

BUT NOT the way "tintin" LIES,
in order to post his threats and
murderous instructions.

"tintin" HAS TO (try to),
AVOID MAKING REAL WORLD,
REAL TIME, REAL PERSON Connections...
and FAILS AT THAT TO!

true lilly wrote:So where were all ROEBUCK'S Associates
when he needed "their" help?
Couldn't even get a Lawyer to show up.
His Last Associate Left him ALONE.
KNOWING a 6 story window was his
ONLY WAY "OUT"!

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
Evil or Very Mad
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA

Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby

UPDATE 7am:

STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau

warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!
Wink Very Happy

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL
, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:
barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!


BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS

going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.
See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.


Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD
,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.


SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough
humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.


P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.
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Re: To quote "tintin", "it's all connected".

Post  MoMo on Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:54 am

Bullshit lilly, I've countered every one of your false arguments, you have never replied. Define Zion....Mizraim.....Torah.........Israel..........you attack the jews, the Torah and Israel, you quote scripture like satan to distort and deform it to fit YOUR agenda....... thumbs up


......................For those who falsely claim that Yahshua Messiah/Jesus 'Did away with' the Torah/Laws of YHWH, I challenge you to explain these verses of Scripture.

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

Matthew 4
1 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil.

2 And after having fasted forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3 And the trier came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the set- apart city, set Him on the edge of the Set- apart Place,

6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Yahshua said to him, “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try YHWH your Elohim.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the reigns of the world, and their esteem,

9 and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Yahshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’



Yahshua cites Torah 3 Times with Authority....beaware of the False Teachers.

Is the New Testament Yahweh's Word?

Don't Accept The New Testament As Yahweh's Word On The Basis Of Human Tradition

http://www.serveyahweh.org/Religion/newtestament.htm

In the context of the New Testament canon Yahweh's people should not accept that the New Testament is Yahweh's word simply on the basis of human tradition. For Yah'shuah has shown that human tradition is NOT the basis for determining true worship. The New Testament, or any portion of it, should only be accepted as Yahweh's word only where it is fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment. But if it, or any portion of it, is not fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment it cannot and should not be accepted as Yahweh's word or commandment!



Live By Every Word That Proceeds Out Of Yahweh's Mouth
Matthew 4:4 reads,

4:4But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’"

In these comments Yah'shuah quoted from Moses' words to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 8:3,

8:3He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you didn’t know, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.



Truth Is Yahweh's Word

John 17:17 reads,

17:17Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.

It is therefore clear from Yah'shuah's words that human beings are to live by every word proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh. He also defines truth as Yahweh's word. Therefore living by the truth is living by Yahweh's word, living by Yahweh's commandment. This is what human beings are to live by, and not by human tradition, especially human tradition contrary to Yahweh's word.



To Believe Yah'shuah/Jesus You Must Believe Moses' Writings
John 5:46-47 reads,

5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 5:47But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Yah'shuah's words show that it is necessary for one to believe Moses' writings in order to believe him. In other words, those who believe Moses' writings are the ones who believe Yah'shuah, and those who do not believe Moses' writings are the one who do not believe Yah'shuah. Yah'shuah therefore implicitly affirmed that Moses' writings are indeed Yahweh's word.



Yah'shuah Didn't Destroy The Law Or The Prophets

Matthew 5:17-18 reads,

5:17"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. 5:18For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.

Yah'shuah therefore affirmed that the law and the prophets, the writings he affirmed as Yahweh's word, would continue in applicability even up to the time of the passing away of heaven and earth. Seeing that heaven and earth are still with us it is indeed the conclusion that nothing has passed away from the law, and it remains in full application.



Yah'shuah Commanded His Disciples To Abide By Moses' Authority

Matthew 23:1-4 reads,

23:1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 23:2saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat. 23:3All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don’t do their works; for they say, and don’t do. 23:4For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.

Yah'shuah commanded human beings, including his disciples, to abide by the authority vested in Moses. In other words, he simply affirmed his word in Matthew 5:17-18, on the continuing applicability of the law or Yahweh's word as delivered by Moses to the children of Israel.



Believe What The Prophets Have Spoken

Luke 24:25-27 reads,

24:25He said to them, "Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?" 24:27Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yah'shuah's usage of the writings of Moses and those of the prophets shows that he acknowledged these as Yahweh's word. For in Matthew 4 and 15 he clearly taught that human beings are to live only by Yahweh's word, and here he was indeed teaching his disciples by the writings of Moses and the prophets. Yah'shuah therefore acknowledged that the writings of Moses and the prophets are indeed Yahweh's word.


Live By The Writings In The Law Of Moses, The Prophets And The Psalms

Luke 24:42-49 reads,

24:42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 24:43He took it, and ate in front of them. 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled."

24:45Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures. 24:46He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 24:47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48You are witnesses of these things. 24:49Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high."

According to Yah'shuah the collection of writings that made up Yahweh's word, what all human beings are to live by, is that called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms - what is today called the Old Testament. This is synonymous with the Scriptures, according to the author of the above words - Luke.



Yah'shuah's Disciples Of All Nations Are To Observe The Things He Personally Commanded His Disciples
Matthew 28:18-20 reads,

28:18Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Yah'shuah clearly commanded his disciples to teach new disciples of all nations to observe all things that he had commanded his disciples. He commanded them to live by every word that proceeds out of Yahweh's mouth. He also showed them that Yahweh's word is contained in the writings called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms (writings), now commonly known as the Old Testament. Therefore, the things that Yah'shuah's disciples are to observe are those that are contained in the writings commonly called the Old Testament. For observing the things in these writings is indeed living by words proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh, seeing that words that proceeded out of Yahweh's mouth are contained in these writings.



Yahweh's Word To His Disciples Concerning Verification Of Words

Isaiah 8:16-20 reads,

8:16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17I will wait for Yahweh, who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18Behold, I and the children whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Yahweh of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. 8:19When they shall tell you, "Consult with those who have familiar spirits and with the wizards, who chirp and who mutter:" shouldn’t a people consult with their God? On behalf of the living should they consult with the dead? 8:20To the law and to the testimony! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

8:16 clearly shows that the testimony (prophets and writings) and the law (of Moses) should be bound and sealed among Yahweh's disciples. And in matters of light Yahweh's disciples are not to consult with forces of darkness. They are to consult only the law and the testimony. In other words, the very writings that Yah'shuah later used in affirming that he was indeed the Messiah, the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings, are the very same ones that Yahweh commands his disciples to consult. For light is contained in his word, which is recorded in these writings. And anyone speaking contrary to his word in these writings is devoid of light. In other words, any writing that is contrary to the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings is not Yahweh's word, but a word and work of darkness!



Another Test Yahweh Gives His People Concerning Verification Of Words

Deuteronomy 18:9-22 reads,

18:9When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 18:10There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 18:11or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 18:12For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh your God does drive them out from before you. 18:13You shall be perfect with Yahweh your God. 18:14For these nations, that you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice sorcery, and to diviners; but as for you, Yahweh your God has not allowed you so to do. 18:15Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me; to him you shall listen; 18:16according to all that you desired of Yahweh your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I not die. 18:17Yahweh said to me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 18:19It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 18:20But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 18:21If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.



Don't Listen To Those Who Practice Abominations

Yahweh clearly warned the children of Israel not to listen to those who practice abominations - the practices of darkness as seen in Isaiah 8:16-20. It is on account of both practising these abominations and listening to the practitioners of these abominations that Yahweh cast out of the land of Canaan those who inhabited it prior to the children of Israel
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................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........rodin; suzi woo woo: you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.


Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.


Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.
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One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.


This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!


It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!


I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?


II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.


II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.


Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.


I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).


Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.


I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;


I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .


However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;


http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf



Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an ddon't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain. thumbs up

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.


ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................


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Post  sharky on Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:19 am

true lilly wrote: I am WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in me),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of my SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL I DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, I CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO me. thumbs up rolf lmao rolling pin
[color=black]nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to lie and teach the satanic lie that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE I CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all I have to attack you with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING you, because I have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - gossip mongering and lying bullshit P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL
, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET. Personally I'm batshit crazy......notice how I contradict myself? rolf lmao thumbs up

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST I CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:
[b]I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!

BECAUSE I" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT, I contradict the case I've made...
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el kabong wrote:Lilly claims that the 'Fake Jews' and Torah Observers are 'Elitists' and that Yahwehs message does not concern all of Humankind and all the Earth, all Nations.

As usual she is wrong. Read for yourself the True Message of the Jews and Yahwehs Plan for Humankind and the Earth.


26And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”

27And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him – male and female He created them.

28And Elohim blessed them, and Elohim said to them, “Bear fruit and increase, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over all creatures moving on the earth.”

29And Elohim said, “See, I have given you every plant that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it is for food.

30“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to every creeping creature on the earth, in which there is life, every green plant is for food.” And it came to be so. 31And Elohim saw all that He had made, and see, it was very good

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of YHWH/God
1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The Jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the Jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for YHWHs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, YHWH invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikkun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of YHWH/God play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.

Summarized

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over all its enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of Lifes’ capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Christians

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is YHWH/God-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* YHWH, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: YHWH

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of God'

* This emergence of "The Image of God" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Christians.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of God' Consciousness is so much like YHWHs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, the Human 'Image of YHWH/God has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* YHWH has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of God', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikkun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that YHWHs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Christians alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of God/YHWH brings with it more God like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of YHWH/God; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh

The Sinai Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.
The Torah is the first, and oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet/ Alphabet........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemispherical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential. the ground for Theoretical Science....


el kabong wrote:God reigns as universal sovereign over the whole earth (e.g. 2 Ki. 19:15; Pss. 99, 145, etc.).

Nothing takes place beyond his providence or outside his control. The affairs of nations in history are under his universal reign—both in general terms (e.g. Pr. 21:1) and specifically as they relate to his own people, whether God uses other nations in punishment on Israel (e.g. Is. 8:6ff.; 10:5ff.) or for their deliverance (e.g. Is. 45).

But secondly, God’s reign over and among his people Israel is of a different dimension inasmuch as it is a kingship acknowledged in covenant obedience and
based on specific historical acts of redemption, through which Yahweh is known as Lord and sovereign. Then thirdly, there is the eschatological hope of the world-wide extension of this acknowledged reign of God so that eventually ‘all nations acknowledge his saving power’ (cf. Ps.
67).

To worship Yahweh, to be an Israelite, meant ... to practise a specific way of life in
separation from and in overt opposition to time-honoured established ways of life regarded
throughout the ancient Near East as inevitable if not totally desirable.15

The whole OT (and the NT as well) is filled with descriptions of how Yahweh-Adonai, the covenant God of Israel, is waging war against those forces which try to thwart and subvert his plans for his creation. He battles against those false gods which human beings have fashioned from the created world, idolized, and used for their own purpose ... the Baals and the Ashteroth,
whose worshippers elevated nature, the tribe, the state and the nation to a divine status. God
fights against magic and idolatry which, according to Deuteronomy, bend the line between God
and his creation. He contends against every form of social injustice and pulls off every cloak
under which it seeks to hide.


el kabong wrote:Anti Semitism is a Pyschological/Spiritual/Mental disorder. Very prevelant on Internet Forums. This is why, we, as readers need to perform our Due Diligence and verify the claims that are made.

As should now be obvious Lilly cannot verify, honestly, any of her claims.


http://www.vbm-torah.org/jewphi.htm
All anti-Semites project their various and contradictory fears upon the Jew.


All about Israel:

51a: The Land of Israel

The Paradox

We will now reopen our discussion of the uniqueness of the Land of Israel, the great paradox we have been living since the birth of Judaism in the first pages of the Scriptures. Before God there are no political or geographical boundaries, there are no boundaries of nations or of countries. And yet, the great message of this universalism is expressed in two particularisms, two uniquenesses: the uniqueness of the People and the uniqueness of the Land. The paradox teaches us that uniqueness is the path to universalism. The uniqueness of the Jewish people is part of a plan that will lead us and the nations of the world to the end of days, a plan for the redemption of the entire world. In this plan, the descendants of the Forefathers hold a unique place and position.

This paradox was a focal point of constant debate with many thinkers, particularly those who have stemmed from Judaism and have accepted some of the general principles of our Torah. The Scriptures proclaimed that Avraham would become the father of many nations. And indeed, many nations have accepted the Torah of the Forefathers. However, many of them wished to accept these principles while erasing the name of the Jews. Sometimes this was done by actual killing of Jews, and generally it was done by stealing their identity, by claiming that they themselves are the true Jewish people.................Our attitude towards the Land of Israel is not one of territory, in which, by chance, a Jewish state exists. We relate to it as our destiny, and view the encounter with it as part of our essence as Jews. Jewish sovereignty and independence are significant, but so is our relationship to the Land of Israel. At the end of the book we will learn how Rihal envisioned the ultimate return to the Land of Israel and the redemption. Herein lies the mystery and the paradox. The return to the Land of Israel is not a tool or a means. What we have here is here a relationship of encounter, a cosmic meeting of those intended for each other from the beginning of time. Just as it is written that every person's marriage partner is announced in Heaven forty days before his birth, so too it is announced that a particular field in the Land is intended for a particular person. Our Sages wished to teach us the romantic idea that the connection between a couple exists before they meet for the first time, and that their meeting is not a chance occurrence. So too the relationship between the People and the Land is more than a chance occurrence. The relationship was written in the books of destiny.....


51b: The Land Of Israel, Part 2
we find that the climatic condition is necessary but not sufficient. The Land of Israel is unique in that its climate integrates heat and cold. In other words, it unites the characteristics of those places lacking the conditions for creating a great civilization and a sophisticated culture. And indeed, both the inception and the development of civilization took place in the temperate climates.

Beyond the geographical conditions there is a mystical reality, a spiritual uniqueness of the Land, which makes it a place where prophecy can become a reality. The Land of Israel is the destined location of the ultimate encounter between the Jewish nation and God, the place destined for prophecy and redemption.

This approach to the Land of Israel perhaps can only be understood in categories of love. A person can consider a prospective mate according to the size of the dowry or other monetary interests, as a means to advance one's career or one's social status, etc. These are purely rational reasons. However, we all know that this is not enough, and justifiably so. Beyond these things we expect something more, something irrational and emotional, something we can only describe as love. The word love describes the relationship between the People and the Land. The book of Bereshit describes how the Great Matchmaker, the Creator himself, took Avraham, the father of the Jewish nation, and brought him to the Land of Israel. There he would found his nation, and there the great encounter between the Jewish people and God will ultimately take place. The encounter between the People and the Land is also a condition of redemption..................The Land of Israel

As we have seen, the content of Jewish thought focuses around three central points: Creation, Revelation and Redemption. History is a process with many twists and turns; however, it ultimately leads us from Creation to Redemption through Revelation.

The Land of Israel symbolizes creation. The Land of Israel is also the land of prophecy.

The sacrifice of Yitzchak connects to the second point: Revelation. Just as Avraham was called to the Land of Israel from a foreign country, "Go ... to the land that I will show you" (Bereshit 12:1), so too he is called forth after entering the Land of Israel: "Go ... to one of the mountains that I will show you" (ibid. 22:2).

Here, too, Avraham follows the call to a place that he does not know, and only when he reaches it does God inform him that this is the place that God had destined for the great drama of the sacrifice of Isaac. Avraham's going reveals the holiness within the holiness. Avraham learned to recognize the holiness of the Land of Israel when he reached it. The holiness of Jerusalem had to be revealed much later, at the final trial.

The mount of the sacrifice, say the Scriptures, is the "mountain where God appeared," the place of revelation, the encounter with God. On this mountain the Temple will be built, the Temple in which man will encounter the Divine Presence. The Scriptures themselves are aware of the paradox in this claim. In king Shlomo's prayer in the Book of Melakhim we read,
"For can it be that God resides on the earth, behold the heavens and the highest firmaments cannot contain You, how can this House I have built [contain You]?" (Melakhim I, 8:27)

However, divine transcendence left room also for the immanence that is connected to "this place...and You will hearken from the heavens" (ibid. 8:29-32).

Revelation is expressed in two ways: in the personal encounter, and in the collective revelation of the Torah. Next to the Temple sat the Great Court, whose role was to teach Torah to the entire people of Israel.

The third point that is encompassed in Jerusalem is connected to the future: the Redemption. This idea means the triumph of good in the various circles of human activity: the national, the human-universal and the cosmic.

The national redemption is the return of the Jewish people to their Land. When the Jew prays for redemption, he prays to the God who "will rebuild Jerusalem," and adds, "may our eyes witness Your merciful return to Jerusalem. Blessed are You God, who will return His Presence to Zion." The redemption is the renewed meeting of the three: the People, the Land and the Divine Presence, the divine immanence.

Jerusalem is also the axle upon which the human-universal redemption turns as well. The mountain that was the center of spiritual heights for the Jewish people will become a center of inspiration and education for the entire world.
"And in the end of days the mount of the house of God will be placed above all mountains and rise above all hills and all the nations will swarm towards it. And many nations will go saying, come let us go up to the mountain of God, to the House of the God of Ya'akov, and He will teach us of His ways and we will follow in His paths, for Torah will go forth from Zion and the word of God from Jerusalem." (Yishayahu 2:2-3)

The particularism of the choosing of a People and a Land are thus merged with absolute universalism. The People and the Land preserved the Torah, so that it would spread among all the nations, and whose central expression is universal peace: "And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks, nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they study war any more" (ibid. 2:4).

In Jewish tradition, Jerusalem is also the center of the cosmic redemption. Yishayahu's vision, "and the wolf shall dwell with the lamb" (Yishayahu 11:6) is obviously an allegory for the ideal international relations that will reign in the messianic era. However, it is also a hint at a religious utopia, in which even the natural reality will change.

Various verses in Yechezkel hint at future changes in Jerusalem. A spring will gush from it, and from it powerful rivers will stream forth, which will even heal the Dead Sea. Clearly, these are references to the ancient Garden of Eden.

And indeed certain commentators have understood it in this way. According to their interpretation, the Garden that God planted in Eden underwent a catastrophic change as a result of the sin; however, with the advent of the redemption it will revert to its original state. The Garden of Eden is the Land of Israel, and its center is Jerusalem.

If this motif exists in the Scriptural tradition, then the symbolism of the Holy Temple can be understood in its light as well. At its center, as in the Garden of Eden, the Keruvim protected the Tree of Life, which is none other than the Torah - the word of God.

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Post  true lilly on Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:44 pm

GOOD Nurses GAGGED BY
MANAGEMENT/UNION/LEFTIST
GREY NURSE SHARKS!


Nurses gagged, afraid of management

AND GREENIE/BROWN SHIRT DEMONIC
wanna-be-own-gods!


'they' "TOUCH", for 'their' FINANCIAL Health...

NURSES VOW TO DEFT SUSPENSION ORDER

Nurses vow to defy suspension order

Stephen Drill, Lucie van den Berg
UPDATE 11.05am:

NURSES have pledged
to continue closing beds
and cancelling elective surgery
despite an order stopping strikes.

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OCCUPY PROTESTERS 'GAVE DRUGS TO KIDS'

Occupy protesters 'gave drugs to kids'

10:09AM
Angus Thompson

UPDATE 11.25am:

OCCUPY Melbourne activists
have given drugs to homeless children
as young as 12,
a charity group says.


Oh, and this story has JUST BEEN PULLED:

Tania Zaetta at Southport Court. Picture: Michael Ross / Source ...
Herald Sun - 41 minutes ago
GOLD Coast TV star
Tania Zaetta will be sentenced
in a Southport court next week
after the Office of Fair Trading
investigated her charity,
Peace For The Children
...


TV celebrity Tania Zaetta's

Peace For The Children
charity
shut down

May 09, 2011
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/tv-celebrity-tania-zaetta-has-charity-peace-for-the-children-forced-into-suspension/story-e6frf96o-1226052376590

true lilly wrote:
Grant Mazzy:
Mrs. French's cat is missing.
The signs are posted all over town.
"Have you seen Honey?"
We've all seen the posters, but nobody has seen Honey the cat.
Nobody.
Until last Thursday morning, when Miss Colette Piscine swerved her car to miss Honey the cat as she drove across a bridge.
Well this bridge, now slightly damaged, is a bit of a local treasure and even has its own
fancy name; Pont de Flaque.
Now Collette, that sounds like Culotte.
That's Panty in French.
And Piscine means Pool.
Panty pool.
Flaque
also means pool in French, so Colete Piscine, in French Panty Pool,
drives over the Pont de Flaque, the Pont de Pool if you will, to avoid
hitting Mrs. French's cat that has been missing in Pontypool.
Pontypool.
Pontypool.
Panty pool.
Pont de Flaque.
What does it mean?
Well,
Norman Mailer, he had an interesting theory that he used to explain the
strange coincidences in the aftermath of the JFK assasination.
In the wake of huge events, after them and before them, physical details they spasm for
a moment; they sort of unlock and when they come back into focus they suddenly coincide
in a weird way.
Street names and birthdates and middle names, all kind of superfluous things appear related to eachother.
It's a ripple effect.
So, what does it mean?
Well... it means something's going to happen.
Something big.
But then, something's always about to happen.

Grant Mazzy:
[On Air] Now, in our top story of today, a big, cold, dull, dark, white, empty, never-ending blow my brains out, seasonal affective disorder freaking kill me now weather-front, that'll
last all day - or maybe - when the wind shifts later on, we'll get a little greenhouse
gas relief from the industrial south. HAIL MARY, yea though I walk - we go to Ken Loney - in the Sunshine chopper.
Ken Loney:
[Over Speaker] It's always brighter above the clouds Grant!

The really scary part is how many Pontypool zombies are already among us.
I really, really, hate
to give anything away but
many people seem to be
missing the obvious...
that words hold power,
they are infectious
and can lead to
unintended consequences.

Stephen
McHattie steals the show as the cowboy hat wearing radio talk show host
Grant Mazzy. Mazzy was recently fired from his real gig and is now the
morning show in the
small town of Pontypool. Between reports of school closings and traffic reports, Mazzy
tries to provoke
(wake up) his audience with charged language but Mazzy is
about to learn that words have consequences.

First
he offends his producer and a casual joke turns out not to be funny
when it hits too close to home. Then reports of mob violence start
flooding the station. As the bloodshed escalates and threatens Mazzy and
his morning crew they slowly learn the true nature of the threat and the power of their own words. Pontypool holds relevant lessons for us all. There is some blood and mild gore but the really scary part is how many Pontypool type zombies are already among us.
by
McQualude

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IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD
AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD,
AND THE WORD WAS GOD.
John - Chapter 1

In 1722 the beginning 746 was 2258 the Word 3056,
and 2532 the Word 3056 was 2258 with 4314 God 2316,
and 2532 the Word 3056 was 2258 God 2316.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jhn&c=1&t=KJV#1

1 John - Chapter 1

That which 3739 was 2258 from 575 the beginning 746,
which 3739 we have heard 191 ,
which 3739 we have seen 3708 with our 2257 eyes 3788,
which 3739 we have looked upon 2300 ,
and 2532 our 2257 hands 5495 have handled 5584 ,
of 4012 the Word 3056 of life 2222;

(For 2532 the life 2222 was manifested 5319 ,
and 2532 we have seen 3708 [it], and 2532 bear witness 3140 ,
and 2532 shew 518 unto you 5213 that eternal 166 life 2222,
which 3748 was 2258 with 4314 the Father 3962,
and 2532 was manifested 5319 unto us 2254Wink


http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=1Jo&c=1&t=KJV#1


US "ALL IN" WITH ASIA PACIFIC - OZBAMA
US 'all in' with Asia Pacific - Obama

Matt Johnston with AAP
UPDATE 12.45pm:

BARACK Obama has told Parliament
his country is firmly focused on our region
as it will define the future of the world.
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The student at the centre of the
Peter Roebuck sex assault claims
has spoken out about
how he was allegedly "groomed"
by the cricket writer over the internet,
before he finally made his police complaint.

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Post  mugglez on Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:00 pm

The Pagan Logos

In order to justify their claim that Yahshua is Yahweh and that He pre-existed with Yahweh, the Christians quote the following Scripture from the King James Version.

John 1:1-5, KJV—
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


The word word in these verses comes from the Greek word logos. The Christians, so eager to promote the pagan Trinity, attached
to the word every pagan interpretation. But they deliberately ignore the fact that Yahchanan was a Jew who had nothing to do with
pagan Greek philosophy.


The Wycliffe Bible Encyclopedia, Moody Press, Chicago, IL, Volume 2 pages 1046-1047. gives us the following information.

Many scholars have argued that the apostle John had this philosophical development in the back of his mind when he wrote the prologue to his Gospel and that he actually tried to impart some of these concepts. For a long time many have contended that the
background of the fourth Gospel was essentially Hellenistic rather than Hebraic

. In dealing with such an assertion we may note that studies in the Dead Sea scrolls have tended to confirm the traditional conservative position that the cultural orientation of the Gospel of John was Hebraic.

Moreover, we must observe that John was a simple fisherman from Palestine. While he did come to live in the sophisticated city of Ephesus, probably after the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70, there is no evidence that he imbibed any of that city’s Gr. philosophical orientation. If he intended to be philosophical in the first few verses, he certainly was not anywhere
else. We may argue that John used the word “logos.” which was common in the language of the day, in its ordinary meaning and
poured into it a spiritual significance.
This source admits that Yahchanan used this word in its ordinary meaning. They further admit that Yahchanan’s writings were
Hebraic.
The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 1060, admits that the style of most of the writings in Volume Two of the Holy
Scriptures is, in fact, Hebraic.
The Language of the New Testament. Although the language of the New Testament, in the form that it exists today, is Greek, two earlier
influences are still discernible.
(1)THE INFLUENCE OF THE ARAMAIC-HEBREW ORIGINAL. Because most of the authors were Jewish Naz-arenes, they spoke, for
the most part, Aramaic, and some also mishnaic Hebrew. This influence, which was detectable particularly in the original versions of
Mark and Matthew, survives to some degree in their extant Greek versions and in several of the Epistles as well, including James and
Jude. The rest of the works were originally written in Greek.
(2) THE SEPTUAGINT. Since this translation was used by many authors, the New Testament contains not only Aramaic words and
phrases, which the disciples heard from Jesus and took care to remember out of reverence for their master (e.g. Talitha Kumi (Mark
5:41), Kum, Rabboni, Eli, Eli (Elohi, Elohi) lama sabachthani (Matt. 27:46; Mark 15:24)), but also expressions and phrases which retain
their Hebrew flavor although they were transmitted through the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible.
So to assert that the Apostle Yahchanan was writing of a pagan logos is absurd. The word logos in its ordinary meaning comes from
the Hebrew word dabar as Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, page 380 shows.

A Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament, by Julius Furst, page 312 shows us that the Hebrew word dabar refers to
Yahweh’s Plan and His Laws.


The Interpreter’s Dictionary, Volulme 4 pages 870-871, states emphatically:
“The word of God” (o logo” tou qeou) is used of:
(a) the OT law (cf. Mark 7:13=Matt 15:6, where it is contrasted with the tradition of the Jews); (b) a particular OT passage (cf. John
10:35, referring to Ps. 82:6); (c) in a more general sense, God’s revealed will, or his whole plan and purpose for mankind (cf. Luke
11:28; Rom. 9:6; Col. 1:25-27, where it is defined as the “mystery hidden for ages and generations but now manifest to his saints...,
which is Christ in you”; Heb. 4:12); (d) the word preached by Jesus (cf. Luke 5:1; perhaps also 11:28, cited in c above); and the referenced
made by Jesus to the word of God which he has preached (described as “his word”or “thy word,” according to the context) in John
5:38; 8:55; 17:6; etc.;
So Yahchanan wrote, under inspiration, not of a pre-existent God-savior, but of the wonderful Plan of Yahweh. The Anchor Bible,
Ephesians 1-3, page 111, shows us from the Talmud that seven things were in Yahweh’s mind, His Plan, from the beginning and this
plan included the Savior.
In the Talmud tractate Pesachim 54a; cf. Nedarim 39b, seven things, i.e. the law, repentance, paradise, Gehinnom, the throne of glory,
the heavenly sanctuary, and the messiah are not called pre-created, but pre-conceived in (Yahweh’s) thoughts.
.W.ith all this in mind, let us read the correct translation of the following Scripture. Yahchanan 1:1-5—
1 In the beginning was the plan of Yahweh, and the plan was with Yahweh, and the plan was Yahweh’s.
2 The same plan was in the beginning with Yahweh.
3 All things were done according to it, and without it nothing was done, that was done.
4 In this plan was life, and that life was the light to mankind.
5 Now that light shines in the darkness, but the darkness does not take hold of it.
.T.he Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one. Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.
.T.he prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all. Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I
am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses,
. says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH! Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one. Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there
is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established
it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!
It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior.
.T.he apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today. Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by
the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous;
Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts,
and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between
themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the
. creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh! I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have
fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh’s table and of the table of demons.
. 22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He? II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship
does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel;
untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has
said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
. 18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty. II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of
. the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them. Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh’s undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin,
. which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested;
that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he
. has been begotten of Yahweh. I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one
does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true;
and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim). Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons,
and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with
her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you
do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!
However, the apostles knew Yahweh’s Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many.
They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.


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Post  true lilly on Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:04 pm

true lilly wrote:"Long and Uncomfortable"=BRAINWASHING as used by CULT LEADERS.
http://hpanwoforum.freeforums.org/post24742.html#p24742

Ickeism=
Culture jamming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming
Guerrilla marketing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_marketing
Spaßguerilla
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spa%C3%9Fguerilla
...and when ISN'T 'satire' satirical?
When it's all the above HIDING behind the filthy lie,
that those who DO GET WHAT 'THEY' ARE DOING,
"don't get satire".
Front Deutscher Äpfel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Deutscher_%C3%84pfel

Apple Front activists in typical uniform with satirized right extremist symbols and bearing
(The FRONT is 'satire' WHILE THEY FISH FOR THOSE WHO
DO SUPPORT WHAT THEY 'satirize')


Yep, anyone believing that 'alternative media' isn't
what's pushing The Beastly Agenda,
is either a deluded fool, or Knowingly, Willingly, Beastly.

Oh, and how many of The Most Vulnerable and Powerless,
is that, DEAD AROUND THE WORLD, now, DUE TO BEING
SUCKED INTO BLOODY, NATION DESTROYING "revolutions",
VIA The Twittering TWITS of WORLD WIDE (Global) WEB of
LIES?
le sabrage wrote:DESPERATELY LYING:
true lilly wrote:


Hee hee,
is that the sanest of my younger, old (and current), ungrateful,
backstabbing 'associates', today?
And is this the most 'youthful'?
Because you almost laugh as hard as those with an eye and brain did,

when she "got" a Licence to "Judge" Rolling Eyes ...IMHEO, justified laughter... Razz
Funny to, because she was embarrassed of her wog hubby's surname...
and advertised Only As "Sue & Steve" because of all the people who
rang the club asking for a puppy bred by "Sioux & Steve" Wink ...
but then her hubby's,


"REBEL"
bro, got himself an O.A.M., and suddenly,
she was no longer embarrassed by her wog surname...

...but kept the Cameron and hyphen Rolling Eyes


...interesting though, that when reading other's opinions:

http://www.motorcyclekb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/au-motorcycle/6756/MRAA-ie-MRAV-bashing
of Bro-in-law, "Uncle DamienO.A.M.":
http://www.bikenut.com.au/uncledamien.php
http://damiencodognottooam.blogspot.com/
Thailand Motorbike Tours and Motorcycle Adventure Tours. - experience 16 unforgettable days on a fully guided motorcycling adventure through fascinating Northern Thailand.
it's like reading the experiences folk have with
DICTATORIAL David Icke and his NET HACKING,
PRIVATE Message Reading, INDEPENDENT OPINION BANNING,
FALSE 'consensus' Pushing, Forum Moderators
Suspect ...and,
what a stupidly suicidal Global Religion it is,
that "they" keep shoving down the world's throat,
by trying to silence all warning voices:


Oh, and lets NOT forget the CONnections here:
http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/profile.asp?dog=10733
MRS. Trish STEBBINGS
Secretary AND PUBLICITY OFFICER RRCV



Jeremiah - Chapter 50

Declare 5046 ye among the nations 1471,
and publish 8085 , and set up 5375 a standard 5251;
publish 8085 , [and] conceal 3582 not:
say 559 ...
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Jer&c=50&v=1&t=KJV#1

2 Samuel - Chapter 7, 8 & 9

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=7&v=1&t=KJV#1
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=8&v=1&t=KJV
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=2Sa&c=9&v=1&t=KJV#

And David 1732 said 559 ,
Is there yet 3426 any that is left 3498 of the house 1004 of Saul 7586,
that I may shew 6213 him kindness 2617 for Jonathan's 3083 sake?

Jonathan 3083 hath yet a son 1121,
[which is] lame 5223 on [his] feet 7272.

So Mephibosheth 4648 dwelt 3427 in Jerusalem 3389:
for he did eat 398 continually 8548 at the king's 4428 table 7979;
and was lame 6455 on both 8147 his feet 7272.

NOTE:
lame 5223
lame 6455 on both 8147
DIFFERENT/ADDITIONAL numbers=ROOT (DESCRIPTIVE) MEANINGS.
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Post  true lilly on Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:41 pm

true lilly wrote:Craig Stanley, 28,
Rebecca Michels, 25,
CHARGED WITH CHILD PORN.

Couple facing child porn charges

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A FRANKSTON couple
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with indecent acts and
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Craig Stanley (centre) is taken from Horsham police station to Horsham Court.
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Rebecca Michels (centre) is taken from Horsham Court back to Horsham police station. Picture: Ellen Smith Herald Sun



Rebecca Michels is taken from Horsham police station to Horsham Court.
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Rebecca Michels and Craig Stanley pictured before they fled.
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UPDATE 3.25pm: A FRANKSTON couple have appeared in court
and been charged with indecent acts and making child pornography.

Craig Stanley, 28, and Rebecca Michels, 25, appeared separately
before Horsham Magistrates' Court this afternoon after being arrested
this morning following three weeks on the run.


Both have been charged with indecent acts with a child under 16,
making child pornography, possessing child pornography and
transmitting child pornography.

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Police have re-opened their investigation
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Post  sharky on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:59 pm

You should take your own advice and: READ ALL THE WORDS. And then keep these sacred words in their honest and proper context. thumbs up

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Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,

are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.






Try reading the Rabbinic Midrash of the Book you ceaselessly quote out of context........... thumbs up


Shiur #10: Psalm 127: The Difference Between “In Vain” (shav) and “Tranquility” (shena)
By Rav Elchanan Samet

http://vbm-torah.org/archive/tehillim69/10tehillim.htm

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:

1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”

A. Two obvious difficulties

Chapter 127 of Sefer Tehillim (like the following one – 128) belongs to a relatively small group of psalms that may be referred to as “wisdom psalms." Their aim is to educate towards a proper world-view, to inculcate biblical life-experience in the reader – like Sefer Mishlei and other books of wisdom. While the great majority of the psalms address the relationship between man and God, these “psalms of wisdom” deal with guidance for life (the assumption being, needless to say, that one’s life is always centered around God). While most of the psalms reflect a “vertical” relationship, between man and God, the “psalms of wisdom” (and the biblical literature of wisdom in general) is “horizontal” – i.e., inter-personal.[1]

The psalm is presented above as a poem should be written in brief lines and divided into stanzas.[2] From the point of view of literal exegesis, it seems straightforward and presents little difficulty.[3] However, even upon the most superficial initial reading, two questions immediately present themselves concerning the structure of the psalm and its thematic integrity:

The first question pertains to the psalm as a whole. We see that it is comprised of two halves, each addressing a different subject and each with a different atmosphere. Stanzas 1-3 express one idea: that man’s efforts alone will not bear fruit if God is not a partner to his efforts. The atmosphere here is a negative one, as expressed in the thrice-repeated negation – “shav” (in vain) concerning the three examples cited to illustrate the main idea: the building of a house, the guarding of a city, and hard work in order to make a living. The same idea could be expressed in a positive way: “When God desires a man’s ways, his endeavors will succeed”, or “It is God Who gives person strength to build a house and to guard a city." However, our psalm chooses the negative formulation: in the absence of God’s partnership in man’s actions, all of his endeavors will amount to nothing.

The second half of the psalm (stanzas 4-7), in contrast, has a different subject: the blessing that comes to a man who has “children of his youth."

The stanzas of each of the two halves are united around the same subject, and we note an inner development in each of them. However, we are left with the question: What is the connection between the two halves of the psalm? Is there one single idea which the psalm as a whole is trying to express? In other words, is our psalm an integral whole? Is it built in a manner that serves to mold a single idea, or is it a composite of two independent parts under the same heading (“A Song of Degrees for Shlomo”), brought together for reasons which remain to be discovered?

The second obvious difficulty in our psalm concerns the words at the end of verse 2: “For to those who love Him He will give tranquility." Even on the level of literal meaning, the intention here is not clear: what is the meaning of the first word, “ken”? Does it mean “so”, or “such”, such hat this verse stands in comparison to something that appeared previously? If so – what, and what is the significance of the comparison? Or, perhaps “ken” means “indeed”? The word “shena” (tranquility) likewise presents some difficulty. Does this mean “rest” (‘shena’ spelled with a ‘heh’ at the end), as some of the earlier commentators suggest? If so, we must ask why the word here ends with an “alef." And what does the phrase mean, as a whole? Perhaps this word has some other meaning. If so – what is it?

The greatest difficulty here concerns the place of these words: Do they belong to the third stanza and the first part of the psalm?[4] This seems unlikely since, as we have pointed out, the atmosphere of the first half is negative, while these words – no matter how we interpret them – are unquestionably formulated in a positive manner. There is some sort of positive gift that God is bestowing on those who love Him. This being the case, perhaps these words are meant to serve as an introduction to the second half? The problem is that the subject of this half is the blessing of children that comes to man from God. The phrase in question seems to have nothing to do with this theme.

Since we are initially unable to decide where these words belong, we leave them for the meantime in a section of their own, in between the third and fourth stanzas – or, between the two halves of the psalm.

In the next shiurim we will attempt to analyze the psalm in an orderly manner, with the hope of finding answers to our questions above.

Translated by Kaeren Fish

[1] Aside from psalms 127 and 128, we may note the following examples: 1, (34), 37, 45, 49, (78), 112, 133. The chapters in parentheses are those which cannot be unequivocally categorized. In his book, “Sheki’ei Chokhma be-Sefer Tehillim” (Magnes, Jerusalem 5751), Prof. Avi Horwitz discusses the identification of “wisdom psalms” in Sefer Tehillim from a linguistic perspective. In the first chapter of his book he presents a critical review of the approaches proposed by scholars who preceded him in this field of inquiry, and of their scope. On p. 128 of his book he presents a synoptic table comparing ten different views, dating from the 1930’s until the present. The table shows that there is consensus among eight or more scholars concerning only five psalms: 1, 34, 37, 49, and 112. Some of the scholars identify as many as fourteen “psalms of wisdom”; others count a total that is much smaller (five or six).

The list of psalms at the beginning of this note does not follow any particular approach, nor have we involved ourselves deeply in the methodological question of identifying the “wisdom psalms”. Our criteria were, firstly, the “audience” to whom the psalm is addressed – God or man – and secondly, the content and style of the psalm.

The topic is itself worthy of thorough discussion, and I do not pretend to do it justice here. Therefore, the list here should be regarded as no more than an initial impression arising from these psalms.

It should further be noted that Psalm 91, which we analyzed in previous shiurim, also possesses some of the distinctive characteristics of a “wisdom psalm," and indeed one of the ten scholars included in Horwitz’s survey does include it in his list.

[2] In our analysis of Psalm 130 (mi-ma’amakim) we discussed the importance of presenting the psalms in Sefer Tehillim in a manner that highlights their lyrical character.

[3] “The bread of toil” (lechem ha-atzabim) means bread eaten in sorrow. The idea here is that the worker is so exhausted by his intensive and prolonged labor that he eats not in a relaxed frame of mind, but rather in sorrow. This hints to God’s words to Adam (Bereishit 3:17), “Cursed is the land because of you; you shall eat of it in sorrow (be-itzavon)," and further on (verse 19), “you shall eat bread by the sweat of your brow”. However, the meaning in our psalm is slightly different: here the verse is talking about the bread that accompanies man’s hard labor. We deduce this from the parallel between the words “mashkimei”/ ”me’acharei”/ ”ochlei," all of which describe human action and effort, not its results.

The words “For to His beloved He gives tranquility” will be discussed below.

“The children of one’s youth” means that children who are born to a person while he is still young. Similarly, “eshet ne’urim” means a woman whom a man marries in his youth.

[4] As we must conclude if the word ‘ken’ is understood to mean “thus” or “so”.


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Shiur #11: Psalm 127 - Continued

By Rav Elchanan Samet


(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo/Solomon:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



B. The parallel between stanzas a and b, and their hidden meaning


The first two stanzas of our psalm maintain a synonymous[1], direct[2], complete[3] parallel, as follows:


If God does not build a house its builders labor in vain.



If God does not guard a city the guard stays awake in vain.



There is a thematic development between the two hemistiches: the “city” is a collection of houses which have already been built and which now require security: they need a watchman.

In contrast to this broadening of the perspective in the second limb in relation to the first, we also find the opposite phenomenon: the building of the house, in the first limb, is carried out by a number of “builders," while the guarding of the city (with its many houses) is carried out by a single “guard." The reason for this linguistic difference would seem to be that the construction of a house does usually involve a number of workers (whether for the sake of finishing the work sooner or because a variety of artisans are needed for different tasks), whereas the city can be guarded by a single watchman looking out for approaching enemies from an observation post where he can see them while they are still far off and raise the alarm by sounding the shofar or by directly notifying the king.[4]

Is it the intention of these two stanzas to nullify the value of man’s efforts to build his house and to protect the security of his city? This cannot be possible; it would be an offense both to common sense and to the prevailing biblical view that a person must exert effort for the sake of securing his own existence.[5] Indeed, those among the early commentators who interpret our psalm in its general human context (and not in relation to the building of the Temple)[6] explain that it does not contradict common sense or the accepted biblical conventions concerning human effort. According to their interpretations, man’s own efforts are a necessary but insufficient condition, and in the absence of God’s hidden involvement, man’s efforts will not attain their objective.

Ibn Ezra explains:

Since (the verse) starts by mentioning building (of a house), which is a great need for people… and the meaning of (the words), “toil in vain” is – if God does not help them, or brings a strong wind that can destroy everything. Thus, (the verse) mentions the artisans – who are the builders, thereafter the watchmen of the building – who are the watchmen of the city… and then (in the third stanza), the merchants of the city.


The Meiri expresses the same idea somewhat more clearly:

(The psalm) says, as advice and guidance for people, that when they invest effort in their property, even though effort is good, one should not place one’s faith in his own efforts and not think, when he obtains his desire, that it was his effort that achieved this for him. Rather, everything is from the blessed God, and it is He Who inspired him to make the effort, and it is He Who brought him to achieve his desire. The Torah warns, in this regard (Devarim 8:17-18), “And you say in your heart, ‘My strength and the might of my hand have achieved all this wealth for me,’" up until “you shall remember the Lord your God, for is it He Who gives you strength to make wealth”.[7]

After completing his commentary on the first three stanzas of our psalm, he comes back to his original message:

And all of this (is meant) not to discourage one from investing effort – for you will find no wise person who denounces effort and praises sloth. Rather, (the message is that) one should not place all of his trust in it (i.e., human effort), and not believe, when he achieves (his aim), that he has achieved what he has by his own effort; rather, God has graciously given it to him.

Given the Meiri’s view that our psalm provides general moral and religious guidance for all people, it seems strange that the psalmist choose the negative formulation to teach this lesson (“Unless God builds a house…”), rather than a positive formulation (“Only if God…”). Hence, it would appear that our psalm is meant to serve as rebuke to people who act improperly and who believe that only through their own strength and might can they build themselves houses and cities[8], and ensure their own security and livelihood. It is to these people that the psalmist declares that their efforts will be in vain, for God will not look with favor upon their actions, and they will not last if they are contrary to God’s will.



(to be continued)

Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] A synonymous parallel is one where the two limbs express identical or similar content. The opposite of a synonymous parallel is a contrasting parallel, for example: “A wise son makes his father joyful, but a foolish son is the grief of his mother” (Mishlei 10:1).

The terminology used here represents a translation of that set down in an article by Batsheva Brosh, “Hora’at ha-Tikbolet be-Shira ha-Mikrait”, published in Al ha-Perek 1, 1984, pp. 51-61.

[2] A direct parallel is one where structurally the two limbs are set out in the same order. The opposite of a direct parallel is a chiastic parallel. These two terms have nothing to do with the content of the limbs in question: both a direct parallel and a chiastic parallel may be either synonymous or contrasting, in terms of content (see previous note).

[3] A complete parallel is where the same syntactical elements appear in both limbs. The opposite of a complete parallel is an incomplete parallel, where one of the limbs is missing some syntactical element which exists in the other limb, and this element must be added from one limb to the other (sometimes from the first limb to the second, at other times the other way around).

[4] An exact description of the role of the watchman is to be found in Yechezkel 33:1-6 (and further on, the role of the prophet is compared to that of the watchman). A description of the specific action performed by the watchman is to be found in Shmuel II 13:34, and in more detail in Shmuel II 18:24-27 and Melakhim II 9:17-20. In the three latter sources, the watchman fulfills his task by notifying the king of the approach of some (still distant) unidentified party. However, in each of these cases it turns out that the party in question is not an enemy coming to conquer the city.

Since the action of the watchman is not connected to physical activity, like that of the builders of the house, the word “bo” is absent from the second limb of the parallel.

[5] The sources cited in the previous note suffice to show that guarding the city is regarded as an absolute obligation, and that anyone who is negligent in this regard is fully responsible for the consequences (see the description of the watchman in Yechezkel 33).

Similarly, a person’s obligation to work for his livelihood is likewise clear in Tanakh. For example, Tehillim 104:23: “Man goes out to his work and to his labor until evening.”

In Sefer Mishlei we find many recommendations for significant human effort and conscientiousness in work for the sake of making a living (as we will discuss further on), but concerning a person’s home we read in Kohelet 10:18 – “From sloth the beams collapse, and through idleness of the hands the house leaks”.

This subject is addressed at length (including a discussion of our psalm) in a book by Dr. Amos Frisch, “Yegi’a Kapecha – Yachas ha-Mikra el ha-Avoda”, Ha-Kibbutz ha-Me’uchad, 5759.

[6] Most of the commentators explain this psalm, taking a cue from its introductory words, as referring to the building of the Temple, whether by David – who exerted considerable effort but was unsuccessful, or by Shlomo – who finally did built it. Some of these commentators go on to explain it as referring to “people of the world” – i.e., they regard it as a “psalm of wisdom” that imparts a lesson to all of mankind. We will adopt this view in our study of the psalm.

[7] It would seem that the Meiri cites the verses here from his memory. He misquotes verse 18 slightly; I have cited the correct version of the verse.

[8] I am reminded of the builders of the Tower of Bavel, who said (Bereishit 11:4), “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower…”. They disregarded the message of our psalm, concerned only with their own strength and their name. However, God “did not build” the city and the tower, but sought to halt their construction, and therefore (verse Cool “God dispersed them from there over all of the face of the earth, and they ceased to build the city.”


Shiur #12: Psalm 127 - Continued

http://vbm-torah.org/archive/tehillim69/12tehillim.htm

By Rav Elchanan Samet

(1) A Song of Degrees, for Shlomo:
1. Unless God builds the house,

Its builders toil in vain (shav).

2. Unless God watches over the city,

The watchman stays awake in vain (shav).

3. (2) It is vain (shav) for you to awaken early,

To sit up late,

To eat the bread of toil

- For to His beloved He gives tranquility (shena).

4. (3) Behold, children are the heritage of God,

And fruit of the womb – reward.

5. (4) Like arrows in the hand of a mighty one,

So are the children of one’s youth.

6. (5) Happy is the man

Who has filled his quiver with them;

7. They shall not be put to shame,

When they speak with their enemies at the gate.”



C. Stanza 3 in comparison with its predecessors



The third stanza differs from its predecessors in several respects. Firstly, it lacks the negative conditional clause – “If God does not…." This could convey the impression that awakening early and settling late are negative in and of themselves, independently of the question of God’s partnership in the efforts of those who conduct themselves in this way.



Secondly, while both of the previous stanzas speak in the third person of people who exert effort in vain, here we find that the psalmist addresses them directly, in the second person: “It is vain for you…."



Thirdly, while the “vain” action in each of the previous stanzas was a single activity (building, guarding), described in a single line of poetry, the third stanza offers three different vain activities (arising early, settling late, eating), all carried out for a single purpose – apparently, to make a living – but this purpose is not mentioned in the text.[1] This stanza therefore consists entirely of the three actions whose heading is, “in vain."



We must now ask, does the third stanza represent a smooth thematic continuation of its predecessors, or do the differences between them indicate that some new point is being made here?



Notwithstanding the differences set forth above, there are several decisive factors that place the third stanza as an unbroken continuation.



Firstly, the appearance of the word “shav” (“in vain”) at the outset represents the third repetition of this word, after it has appeared in each of the two previous stanzas. Apparently, the intention here is as it was in the previous stanzas: “There is no value to your actions unless God is party to them.”



Secondly, the types of human activity addressed previously – the building of a house and the guarding of a city – illustrate two typical areas of human existential endeavor: finding shelter and ensuring security. The third stanza seems to complement these by presenting another – even more prominent – typical existential area of effort: economic viability.



The three stanzas would therefore appear to represent a single idea that is broken down into three examples. It is therefore not reasonable to posit that the third stanza comes to present a new idea, different from the one expressed in the first two, without explaining its meaning.



What, then, is the meaning of the differences between the third stanza and its predecessors?



Let us first address the matter of the missing condition: “Unless God…." For this purpose we must go back to the parallel nature of the stanzas.



The third stanza itself is built as a parallel with three limbs.[2] Is there also a parallel between the third stanza and the previous two? (We have already seen that the first two stanzas maintain a clear parallel.)



The answer would seem to be clearly in the affirmative. The third stanza is a parallel in synonymous, chiastic, incomplete[3] form, as follows:



Stanzas a,b: If God does not…. … in vain





Stanza c: It is vain for you --



Considering that the third stanza parallels the previous stanzas in terms of content (hence our definition of this as a “synonymous parallel”), we must ask why its structure is different (bringing the consequence to the beginning of the sentence, and thereby producing a chiastic parallel), and why this stanza is lacking a part, requiring the intuition of its complement on the basis of the two previous stanzas (hence the definition as an “incomplete parallel”).



The answer to these questions is that all of the changes characterizing stanza c. in relation to its predecessors arise from the fact that this stanza concludes the first section of the psalm. I shall presently explain what this means.



When a chiastic parallel follows a direct one, it is often meant to “wrap up” the statement that is being made. As in many other instances in Tanakh, the chiasm here expresses conclusion and confirmation.[4] The third stanza concludes the first section of the psalm, and is therefore presented as a chiastic parallel to the two preceding stanzas.



The fact that the parallel is incomplete arises from the length of the description, in this stanza, of actions that are “vain”: there is an enumeration of three actions instead of a single one as in the previous stanzas. Thus, the number of words in this stanza (9) is equal to the number in the previous stanzas. Had the conditional clause (“Unless God…”) been added here, the quantitative balance would have been lost, with the consequent implications for the rhythm which would have been similarly affected – along with aesthetic considerations.[5]



However, we may ask: why does the third stanza need to enumerate three different activities that are undertaken “in vain”, rather than sufficing with just one? The answer is, once again, that since this stanza “sums up” the message of the first part of the psalm, the idea of “vanity” is expressed here with greater intensity and with greater variation – and hence, necessarily, at greater length. I will explain this further.



We have already hinted above that the example of human effort in the quest for existential needs that is discussed in this third stanza – the toil to ensure economic viability, to obtain sustenance – is a more obvious example than either of the two preceding ones. Why is this so?



The building of a house lasts for a limited time. When the action is complete, the house stands firm, and its inhabitant has satisfied his existential need for shelter.

The guarding of a city, in contrast, is an action that continues – every day and every night. However, this action is not one that every person engages in. The city guards are a small, defined group of people for whom guarding is a permanent, professional occupation. Furthermore, while guarding the city is unquestionably a position of great responsibility, it does not involve much physical effort – unlike many other human endeavors (such as building a house).



In a league of its own is the Sisyphean effort to make a living. This ongoing effort is the lot of every person, for all of his life. It requires that a person devote his days, from early in the morning until the evening, to hard work involving physical and mental exertion.



Thus, the message here is that it is not only the relatively brief endeavors (such as building a house) or professional specializations (like guarding) whose success depends on Divine involvement and help, but also – and especially – the endeavor that is most characteristic of the human condition, and the most demanding: making a living.



In light of this, the third stanza represents the most intensive expression of the idea set forth in the first part of the psalm. This also explains the extra enumeration of actions that are carried out “in vain” in this stanza – with ramifications for its structure and its parallel relationship with its predecessors.



The third stanza involves one further development: the psalmist addresses the people toiling to earn their bread in the second person: “It is vain for you…." This technique serves to intensify the tone of reproof that was already hinted at in the previous stanzas.



Previously, we noted that the formulation of the moral, religious message of our psalm in the negative (“Unless God builds… in vain”) alludes to the Divine retribution awaiting builders of the house and guards of the city who are not worthy of Divine partnership in their actions, and who will therefore see no success in their endeavors.



This note of rebuke becomes more tangible when the psalmist addresses people directly. The actions of these people, toiling endlessly to obtain sustenance, will not achieve anything if they are not blessed by God.



Thus, despite the differences between the third stanza and the two preceding ones – and by means of those differences – the third stanza turns out to represent a continuation and development of the same idea that they introduced.



(to be continued)



Translated by Kaeren Fish



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[1] The reason for its absence would seem to arise from the first difference that we noted above between the third stanza and the first two: previously, the purpose of the human activity – the building of the house or the guarding of the city – was noted in the conditional clause. However, since no conditional clause exists in the third stanza, there is no mention of the purpose of the activity that is carried out “in vain”, and we must conclude this from the nature of the activity that is described. Had some conditional clause existed here, the verse would read, “If God does not provide food”, or the suchlike.

[2] The parallel here is synonymous, direct, and incomplete (see the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms), as follows:

“It is vain for you to rise up early

to settle late

to eat the bread of toil.”

While the third stanza is not a complete parallel with the previous ones, it nevertheless expresses the same idea and with a similar word order.

[3] See the footnotes of the previous shiur for an explanation of these terms.

[4] As discussed at length and in detail by A. Mirsky z”l in his work, “Ha-Pissuk shel ha-Signon ha-Ivri” (First Edition, Mossad ha-Rav Kook, Jerusalem 5738; Second Edition published as “Signon Ivri,” Jerusalem 5759). Just two of the many examples that he cites are Tehillim 115:5-7 and 22:24.

[5] The first three stanzas, comprising the first part of the psalm, are all of about the same length – 8-9 words. The length of the four stanzas comprising the second part are likewise of similar length – 6-7 words. To illustrate the literary reason for the difference in the parallel that appears in the third stanza, let us imagine how the text would read had the direct and complete parallel continued into this stanza:

“Unless God builds a house its builders toil in vain.

Unless God guards a city the guard watches in vain.

Unless God grows bread those who awaken early and settle late do so in vain; those who work the ground eat the bread of toil.”

While the idea is expressed here more clearly than it is in the psalm as we have it, there can be no question that the literary and musical appeal is gone, and thus the whole moral and thematic power is lost

D. “For to His beloved He gives tranquility” – the conventional interpretation and its difficulties



We now come to the most problematic verse in our psalm: “For to His beloved He gives tranquility." The English translation here is just one of several possibilities; the literal meaning of the verse is not clear, and its connection with the preceding and following verses likewise demands some explanation.



The classical commentators, along with most modern scholars, understand the word “shena” (which we have translated thus far as “tranquility”) as though it ended with a ‘heh’ instead of an ‘alef’ – in other words, “sleep." This interpretation serves to link this phrase with the preceding stanza, which spoke about people who arise early in the morning and settle to sleep late, all because of their work. Our verse depicts a contrasting picture of God granting to “His beloved” the “sleep” that they need. What is the significance of this contrast?



1. Rabbi Menachem ha-Meiri



The Meiri provides the following explanation of the contrast between the third stanza and the phrase that follows it:[1]



“It is vain for you to awaken early” – for work; “to settle late” – meaning, you people who engage in work from early in the morning and who continue to engage in it until it is already nearly night, to the point where you eat your bread in sadness and toil.



“Thus” – meaning, all that you earn with all of your efforts and toil

“He gives to His beloved” – meaning, whomever He desires

“at rest” – meaning, while they are in a state of rest rather than in toil.”



Let us analyze this interpretation more closely. The Meiri understands the first word of the phrase, “khen," as an association – “thus." The association is to the profit which the workers referred to in the previous stanza obtain through their strenuous efforts.



This interpretation presents difficulties in terms of both style and content. Stylistically, we note that there is actually no mention of any profit in the third stanza.[2] How can our verse allude to something that was not previously stated?



In terms of content, the labor of the workers in the third stanza is described as being “in vain” – i.e., there is no point to it. Thus, the third stanza negates the value of any profit earned by these workers. How, then, can the psalm go on to promise this same doubtful, “vain” profit, to God’s “beloved," whom He desires?



Let us analyze further the words of the Meiri. He explains “shena” (in the sense of “sleep” or “rest”) not as the object that God gives as a gift to His beloved, but rather as a description of the way in which God gives His gift to His beloved. However, to achieve this meaning the Meiri is forced to add the letter ‘bet’ at the beginning of the word “shena” – “be-shena." In other words, God’s beloved will receive His gift while in a state of sleep or rest.



Aside from the linguistic problem of adding a prefix to the word, the interpretation of the Meiri is quite audacious in terms of its message. According to his explanation, our psalm nullifies the value of human action and the need for human effort, declaring that there is no need for them: whoever is beloved by God can lie upon his bed, while other people – of lesser spiritual nobility – are out working from early morning until night, and God will take care of his sustenance and ensure his livelihood even while he himself sleeps!



If this is the intention of the third stanza, we must revisit the first and second stanzas and view them in the same light: there is no need for the builders of a house to invest all their efforts, nor for the watchman to remain alert. All of these people can simply sleep in their beds, while God will take care of building the house and guarding the city – if they are worthy of His gift. If they are not worthy, then their efforts will in any case be “in vain."[3]



We have already discussed this possible interpretation, concluding that it goes against common sense and intuition, as well as against the ubiquitous biblical acknowledgment of the need for human effort. (In fact, as cited in the first shiur on this psalm, the Meiri himself is a most vociferous opponent of such an outlook!)



Indeed, the Meiri senses the problematic nature of his explanation and tries to offset it, in two ways. First – exegetically: he interprets the word “shena” not in the literal sense, but rather as “in a state of rest, rather than in toil." In other words, even God’s beloved is required to exert effort and to work, but in moderation. He will not arise early nor toil until late, but God will ensure him profit equal to that achieved through hard labor on the part of one who is not God’s beloved.



However, we must question this interpretation of the word “shena," which unquestionably denotes a state of passivity; it is not a word that is suited to describe moderate work.[4]

The second method that the Meiri adopts to dispel the “mistaken interpretation” is his insertion of a brief note at the end of his commentary on verse 2 (cited in full in a previous shiur): “All of this is meant not to discourage effort, for you will not find a single wise person who denounces effort and praises sloth...”

However, the Meiri’s apologetic efforts serve only to highlight the ideological difficulty of the verse as it stands, according to his interpretation. In any event, as discussed above, his interpretation seems forced in several respects.

2. Amos Chakham, “Da’at Mikra” commentary

Amos Chakham offers a slightly different interpretation of the phrase in question:

“Khen” (indeed) – for reinforcement. The matter is true.

“He gives rest to His beloved” – God gives sleep to his beloved, and does not require him to remain awake for long hours, for He blesses the work of his hands, and he has time to sleep as much as he needs and to work enough to ensure his sustenance.”

From the point of view of linguistics, this interpretation avoids the pitfalls discussed above in relation to the Meiri,[5] while in terms of content the two explanations are rather similar.

However, this explanation presents a new difficulty, which Chakham addresses (ibid., n. 4):

“In the Proverbs of Shlomo there are many warnings against excessive sleep, which causes man to neglect his work. For example (Mishlei 6:9), “For how long will you sleep, O sluggard; when will you arise from your sleep?”;[6] (Mishlei 20:13), “Do not love sleep, lest you become impoverished; open your eyes and you will be satisfied with bread." This verse seems to be saying the very opposite of our psalm: “Those who eat the bread of toil – thus shall He give to His beloved (in) tranquility."”[7]

He answers as follows:

“However, in truth the messages are compatible. What they mean is that one should sleep in the measure needed for a person’s health. Concerning one who adds (sleep) to this, it is written, “Do not love sleep...," while concerning one who subtracts from it, it says, “It is vain for you to awaken early… for He shall give to His beloved tranquility." This wise man means to say… that a person should not exceed the proper measure: sloth is an evil trait; in contrast, industriousness is a trait that is praiseworthy, but a person who is excessively conscientious in his work and consumes all his bodily strength with his hard labor, is not counted as one who is diligent and praiseworthy, but rather among the scorned who “eat the bread of toil."”

The contradiction between our psalm and Sefer Mishlei concerning the relationship between diligence and sleep is resolved by proposing that Mishlei refers to a person who sleeps too much and works too little, while Tehillim describes the opposite phenomenon – those who sleep too little and work too much. Both earn disapproval.

However, according to Chakham’s explanation, the subject of the third stanza has imperceptibly been altered, and is no longer the same message that was addressed in the first two stanzas. There, the psalmist was not talking about the proper ratio of hard work to sleep and rest. While this is an important subject in its own right, and certainly worthy of being addressed in the “wisdom literature," it is not the subject of our psalm. Our psalm is discussing the relationship between human effort and God’s involvement and partnership in those efforts. It comes to teach us that if God is not party to man’s initiatives, none of his labor will amount to anything.

In the previous shiur we took pains to show that this is also the subject of the third stanza, which we showed to be a continuation of its predecessors: “It is vain for you, who arise early...” is not a rebuke of people who invest too much time and effort in their hard labor, but rather a rebuke directed towards those who believe that their sustenance is dependence solely on their work, with no understanding that without God’s will to provide them with bread, their efforts will be in vain.[8] This understanding arises both from the word “shav," which reappears (for the third time) at the beginning of the third stanza and – apparently – with the same meaning as in the two previous stanzas, and from the literary parallel between the third stanza and the previous two.

What is it that causes Amos Chakham to “slip” into a different interpretation for the third stanza? The answer is, of course, the contrast between the praise of rest (in the verse, “So/thus shall He give rest to His beloved...”) and the denunciation of hard work (“It is vain for you, who arise early...”).

If his interpretation of the words, “Indeed, He shall give rest to His beloved," is correct, then his explanation of the previous stanza (c) makes sense. But the rest of this is a change of subject in the third stanza: instead of the religious message with which the psalm begins, the third stanza presents practical guidance as to the proper balance between work and rest!

All of this leads us to seek a new and different interpretation of the phrase in question.
[1] Rabbi Yishayahu Detrani preceded the Meiri with a similar explanation, but the Meiri is easier to understand.

[2] Unless we posit that the “bread of toil” is itself the profit in question, instead of our assumption that the eating of the bread in such oppressive conditions is part of the description of the efforts expended by those who toil in vain.

[3] While there are certainly some religious approaches that support such a view – including among Jews – it would certainly be quite astonishing to find such extreme expression of such a view in one of the psalms of Sefer Tehillim!

[4] We might explain, based on the Meiri (and perhaps this is his intention) that the “shena” that is referred to is at the appropriate times – i.e., from the beginning of the night to the end of the night, times which the workers referred to previously would spend in their labors (arising early, before the dawn, and returning late, after nightfall). The beloved of God, according to this view, need toil only during the hours reasonably suited for work, and sleep at night, and God will nevertheless provide full profit. (This is closer to the interpretation proposed by R. Yishayahu Detrani.) The problem with this explanation arises when we compare the “praise of sleep” with the lessons conveyed in Sefer Mishlei – see below.

[5] The word “khen” is not understood as an allusion or association with something else. We note that there is some question as to his interpretation of the word in the sense of “indeed," since if this were the intention, the word order should rather have been, “Indeed, He gives sleep…” (khen, yiten li-yedido shena).

[6] The verse continues: “A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of hands to retire” – meaning, if a lazy person tells himself that he wants just “a little sleep," etc., then “so your poverty will come like a marauder and your want (will proceed before you) like an armed man”. The same message is repeated again in Mishlei 24:33-34.

[7] What Chakham is saying is that in Mishlei, sleep is a contrast to being satisfied with bread, while in our psalm it is the getting up early that turns the bread into “bread of toil," while one who sleeps long will eat bread in tranquility.

[8] Thus, there is no contradiction of the messages in praise of diligence and conscientiousness in Sefer Mishlei. Even from our psalm one might conclude that if God gives a person sustenance, then it is proper that he arise early and labor until late, just as it is proper for builders to toil over building a house, and for the watchman to remain alert at his watch.

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Semen from sheet to be tested
for Peter Roebuck's DNA

by: Peter Badel

From:Herald Sun
November 20, 2011
9:39AM


Peter Roebuck.
Picture: ABC Supplied

AN inquest into Peter Roebuck's suicide has taken a twist with
forensic experts to determine whether semen samples taken from a
bedsheet match the DNA of the acclaimed cricket journalist.


It is alleged that Roebuck's semen spilled on to a bedspread as he
attempted to have sex with Zimbabwean man Itai Gondo, who has lodged a
sexual assault complaint against Roebuck.

Forensic analysis will ascertain whether the semen samples match Roebuck's DNA.

The development comes as Mr Gondo, a 26-year-old IT student, spoke out
again yesterday to provide more detailed accounts of his dealings with
the journalist.

In one chilling claim, Mr Gondo accused Roebuck of
playing mind games to trick him into stripping,
alleging the journalist described it as
"peeling off the layers to get to the real me".

Mr Gondo was taken to a Cape Town hospital by South African police
following Roebuck's death to provide DNA and blood samples to a state
pathologist.

With the inquest expected to take at least a month, Mr Gondo
yesterday claimed Roebuck leapt from his hotel room window to avoid the
shame of defending himself against sexual assault charges.

"As far as I am concerned he took his own life because he didn't want to face the law," he told a South African newspaper.

"He didn't want to face up to what he did.

"So it's not my problem. He is the architect of his own demise."

Mr Gondo, who wanted to take his own life following the alleged incident,
said Roebuck has robbed him of his day in court.

"The more I thought through it, I realised I wanted my day in court so I could move on,"
he said.

"I kept thinking if I keep quiet what if he does the same thing to another guy?

"Then I'm going to regret it knowing that I could have stopped this person in his tracks.

"I was feeling suicidal. I was hiding out in my room. I couldn't eat and was having nightmares.

"In desperation I messaged a very good friend in New York who is like a big brother
and told him what had happened.

"I told him I feel violated as a man . . . that I was shocked I couldn't
fight him off and it makes me feel like a sissy and a pushover.

"This man took advantage of me.
"He preyed on the fact that I was reaching out to him
and trusted him and he did this to me."

Mr Gondo, who met Roebuck via Facebook,
shut down his account on the social network following the journalist's death.

South African newspaper said Mr Gondo reactivated his account briefly
to show its reporter his final Facebook message on November 12,
the day Roebuck plunged six storeys to his death.

The private message to Roebuck read:
"It's funny how you ask me how I am doing
as if what you did to me you find that justifiable?

"So that was your intention all along?

To lure me and pretend you were interested in forming some father-like relationship,
yet your intention was to do the sick, pervert disgusting thing you did to me?

"Well Mr Roebuck, you can stuff whatever form of support you
blatantly faked to be interested in. You have greatly humiliated me and
I feel very violated, disgusted with myself, your acts were of
the purest, sickest kind.

"It makes sense why you pretend to help out orphans,
whilst you prey on their financial difficulty for your perverted satisfaction.

"I shudder to even think what sick sex-related things you're doing to
those 17 boys staying with you!

"I don't need your assistance, I don't shake hands with the devil,
don't bother replying for I will block you after this message.

"One day the long arm of the law
will catch up with your evil misdeeds
, rest assured,
then
all the money in the world won't save you.
"Goodbye, Mr Molester and good riddance!"
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And so, "they" NEED to keep the world believing in
'the out of Egypt time line', so that people WON'T
RECOGNISE ALL GOD'S FOREWARNING SIGNS that
also PROVE THE FAITHFULNESS of GOD'S WORD.



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Oh, "on board The Spirit of a Dutchman"...

The Rottweiler originated in Rottweil, Germany.
The dogs were known as "Rottweil butchers' dogs"


German economy to slow next year - panel

And remember,
there are MORE GERMANS LEAVING GERMANY,
that Foreigners swarming in...AND,
Australia has ONLY sent
100 of 1370 ILLEGAL GERMAN'S
IN OZion
(to 30 June 2010), BACK TO GERMANY...

but then with so many GERMAN WW2 POW's,
sent here and being allowed to stay 'as' OZion's citizens
IN THIS LAND THEY PLAN TO TAKE FOR THEMSELVES,
and like so many of Their EUROPEAN Allies, LOOKING and
SPEAKING "like us", it's so easy for them to be hidden
amongst us...to "DISAPPEAR" WHILE AMONGST US...


Let's deport this terror boss
by:Alan Howe
From:Herald Sun
November 21, 2011
12:00AM
Abdul Nacer Benbrika.
Herald Sun

THE unrivalled success of Australia's postwar immigration tidal wave
- it has transformed our nation in ways we increasingly seldom bother
to observe - is besmirched by just two problems, and the time has come
to deal with them.

Too many foreigners implacably hostile to the notions of democracy,

equality and our liberal Western ways have been allowed to become
Australian citizens.

That's a fact.
The would-be mass killer Abdul Benbrika
and like-minded "Australian" Islamists
are evidence enough, the tip of a threatening iceberg
that floated unnoticed into Australian waters
not all that many years ago.


The 1949 Immigration Act, dated with nationalistic pride on January 26 that year,
did not foresee the rise of radical Islam nor its adherents' strategies
of entering Western nations like a computer virus that one day would
click to "on", in a way the fizzer Y2K bug failed to a decade back.

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This dog-eared and hurriedly drawn Act of Parliament, one of our
most important, also fails us today by severely restricting our ability
to deport from Australia, not just Trojan Horse Islamists, but deadly
violent men and women we failed to detect as they sailed through the
effortless steps to citizenship.

In recent days there has been news to dismay those of us who now realise
how hamstrung we are with simplistic rules set in place by the naively enthusiastic
Arthur Augustus Calwell, the 1940s federal minister whose immigration program
this is.

"Populate or perish," was Calwell's cry in the 1940s.
A Hansonite response today might be "populate and perish".
Pauline Hanson was a useful idiot for those racists who oppose our migration program,
and the attention given to her ignorant "views" on the subject deformed the national debate.
But that doesn't mean there aren't migrants here that we can do without.

Calwell, to become Opposition leader and so very nearly prime minister but for a
missing bit of DNA - the charisma gene - got much wrong in his life, but
his immigration plans changed the nation, and very much for the better in ways
even he could not have foreseen.

It's just the details I am quibbling with this morning,
minutia that one day might kill you, or me, or many of us.

That's what Algerian-born Benbrika and his team planned in 2005, but he was
at sixes and sevens: should he bomb the MCG on Grand Final day, or perhaps
the Flemington racecourse for the Melbourne Cup? Decisions, decisions.


His team was settled on just one thing: as many Australians, men, women,
children - it didn't matter - should die for the greatness of their god as they could muster.
It was quantity of murder they sought, not quality. If some Muslims were
inadvertently caught up in their firestorm, well, they might have to
divvy up the post-mortem virgins
between them.

The afterlife prospects of any Muslim women inadvertently killed in such an attack
were less clear.


Two members of Benbrika's terror cell were released the other day -
Aimen Joud and Ahmed Raad - after short sentences that are often
the hallmark of Victoria's justice system.

Neither can be deported.

They are the sons of Lebanese migrants and both were born here. It's why
Benbrika's strike team was described during its trial as a "home-grown"
terror network.

So they are our problem and, presumably, the Victorian and federal police
will monitor them very closely - indeed, forever - and at enormous expense
to you and me.

These are men, if I may use the term loosely, who entertained themselves
by watching videos of the beheading of infidels by Muslim extremists.
If they have abandoned their jihad against our Western values,
they are keeping that news to themselves.

But Benbrika, their ringleader, is another matter.

He's out in November 2017 and then free to begin plotting more mass murder,
to which he is committed.


He shouldn't even be in Australia. He overstayed a visitor's visa in 1989,
was declared an illegal immigrant and ordered out of the country. Three times.

Then he married a Lebanese woman
who had recently become an Australian citizen

and that secured his stay.
He then also became an Australian citizen.

Australia has routinely deported back to Britain bad men
who mistakenly thought they were citizens. And who can blame them?
They could vote, they could be called up to fight and die for "their" country,
and presumably they thought they were here for keeps.

There are about 900,000
"when it suits me" Australians still calling here home.


A by-product of that is our deporting New Zealanders six times more often
than any other nationality.


We also deported Swedish-born armed robber Stefan Nystrom after his jail term
and he'd lived here since he was just 27 days old.

But ridding ourselves of the malevolent and worthless Benbrika is trickier.

According to an Immigration Department spokesman Australian citizenship
can only be revoked "in very limited circumstances".

"There is no provision that enables citizenship to be revoked where a serious
offence is committed after citizenship has been acquired."

Effectively, this means you must have lied about your circumstances during the
migration or citizenship application processes. Well, here's good news.

I reckon Benbrika has.

When you become an Australian, you utter these words:
"From this time forward, I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey
."


No Islamist can say that
without wincing.


The lying Benbrika shares none of the democratic convictions that bind
us as Australians, and which President Barack Obama pointed out last
week in Canberra are not "American rights, or Australian rights, or
Western rights. They are human rights."

Since our first Immigration Act 62 years ago,
the citizenships of just 14 Australians have been revoked.
Let's make sure Abdul Benbrika, who wants to kill you and your children,
pushes that tally up to 15 when he is released in November 2017.

Even well-known criminal lawyer Rob Stary,
who has represented terrorism suspects,
and many an underdog - and more than a few dogs,
including Carl Williams - agrees with me:
"I think there should be a category of offenders
who should forfeit their citizenship."

He sees Benbrika as an example, and he believes
we should have the power to revoke citizenship for such criminals.

"I wouldn't have a blanket provision that once you are an Australian
citizen, you are immune to deportation or revocation of citizenship,"
Stary said.

Should we worry about Benbrika's seven children? No.
Should we worry about his naturalised Australian wife? No.
Let's just worry about us.

true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,

are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.
barnacle bill wrote:You should take your own advice and: READ ALL THE WORDS. And then keep these sacred words in their honest and proper context.

There, I fixed "your" quote. Lets not confuse folk about who the angry, ranting drunken bitches are ...now, back to my quotes, and reply, IN CONTEXT
Wink Razz
Don't "you" have someone other than "yourself"
to SPAM "YOUR" LONG AGO DEBUNKED LIES AT?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that ALL "YOUR" LIES
ARE EXPOSED, BY, "YOUR" REFUSAL TO ACCEPT that when
GOD SAID, "FROM THE BEGINNING", that IS WHAT HE MEANT?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that there is no free and
open church, teaching that what is described in Holy Scripture,
is supported by the recent discoveries of science?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to cause honest people to ask,
"WHY IS THAT SO?", AND SO, CAUSE them to DISCOVER
THE ANSWER, FOR THEMSELVES?

true lilly wrote:Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.


"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:

AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants
on the loose to fill a regional city -
and many are from Britain and America...

...oh, those Americans and Brits who would
rather be illegal Australians,
than legal Brits and Americans...


...hope at least some are on our side,
telling the truth of what 'secular democracy'
did to their once great nations.


SOCIAL MEDIA USED TO SPREAD BRITAIN'S RIOTS
Social media used to spread Britain's riots




The only answer Any Ruling Government has
to mass uprisings of VIOLENT TWITTERING IDIOTS,
IS, 'MORE EFFECTIVE'/DEADLY VIOLENCE.

Just what "tintin/David Icke/Julian Assange et al"
SLAVE to SPREAD OVER ALL THE WORLD.

And what happy slaves they are, enjoying their
5 Star Lifestyles and 5 Star PRIVATE SECURITY,
while driving the poor and powerless to riot and DIE,
TO MAINTAIN "their" WEALTH and SECURITY!


"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose
to populate a large regional city, documents show.


58 comments on this story

Interactive: Where they came from
Overstaying: Guests abuse their welcome
Editorial: Illegal immigrant crisis needs fixing

...and "They" won't be happy until our country
is like this...!!!



Protesters calling for,
the temporary military government in Egypt,
to cede power,
have been targeted by security forces
wielding tear gas and rubber bullets.

Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.


Picture: AFP
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Egypt's latest uprising

"Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.
"
, is ONLY the count SO FAR, for THIS,
LATEST round of violence,
"they've" whipped
the twittering masses into, all over the world.

Now if we would only send the UNGRATEFUL,
SELFISH, SELF SERVING, SPOILED BRAT, 'australian'
IDIOTS pushing "their" genocidal agenda here,
to those lands where, like DAVID ICKE Official Forums,
freely sharing the teachings of The Creator of Life,
IS BANNED and CAN GET YOU KILLED, maybe they
would finally see, that the first step to bloody downfalls,
is to turn your back on The Creator of Life and reject
The Wisdom of His Faithful Word.

As The Majority, in these Nations (like their RELIGIOUS Brothers,
The Majority in our OVER CROWDED Neighbouring Nations, using
every trick in the book to get into Australia), SO PROUDLY DO!

Oh, but "they" are DEMANDING DEMOCRACY!... that system
where The Majority of Twittering Idiots are "empowered" with
"voter numbers" to CHANGE OUR LAWS, FOR "THEIRS"!!!

That system that keeps making more of Europe look like...






WATCH VIDEOS:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/police-protestors-in-violent-tahrir-square-clash/story-e6frf7lf-1226200379179#

An Egyptian police vehicle burns as protesters chant during the clashes.

A member of the military council, Major General Mohsen el-Fangari,
said protesters' calls for change ahead of the election
were a threat to the state.


''What is the point of being in Tahrir?'' he asked,
speaking by phone to a private TV channel.


''What is the point of this strike, of the million marches?
Aren't there legal channels to pursue demands
in a way that
won't impact Egypt ... internationally?


''The aim of what is going on is to shake the backbone of the state,
which is the armed forces.''


Middle East and North Africa in turmoil
Anti-government protests are spreading rapidly
through the Middle East and North Africa.
Use this chart to keep up with all of the demonstrations,
day by day.
Click a country on the map or the tabs below to read more.

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true
lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
Evil or Very Mad
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA

Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby

UPDATE 7am:

STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau

warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!
Wink Very Happy

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL
, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:
barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!


BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS

going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.
See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.


Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD
,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.


SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough
humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.


P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.
Razz
Thousands of migrants 'disappear' in cities under new official system
By Steve Doughty

Last updated at 2:17 AM on 21st November 2011

Hundreds of thousands of migrants have ‘disappeared’ at the stroke of a pen under a new official counting system.

The method has led to apparent large falls in the numbers of migrants thought to live in London and other major cities.


The change has provoked fury among council leaders who say the immigrant populations
of their districts have been grossly underestimated by government statisticians.



Migrants 'disappear': London, Manchester, Bristol, Cambridge and Oxford
are among cities who have had 'large downward revisions' from
the new counting method


Westminster and Kensington in London, Manchester, Bristol, Oxford and Cambridge
are among places thought to have had their estimated populations reduced
by many thousands by the Office for National Statistics.


Colin Barrow, Tory leader of Westminster, said: ‘After four years of work
supposedly improving migration estimates, the ONS apparently still has
little idea how many migrants are in this country or where they live and
work.


‘Our incoming migrant population appears to have dropped by 17 per cent over four
years; you only have to go out into the bars and restaurants in the West End to see
that migrants come to Westminster to live and work in much greater numbers than this.’


More...
More than nine out of ten migrants to the UK live in England,
which has become the sixth most crowded major country in the world,
the MigrationWatch think-tank said last week.

Last year net migration was 239,000.

The new estimates method, to be used from next year onwards, uses the same source
of immigration statistics the ONS has always used. This is the
International Passenger Survey, a check on intentions of arrivals at air
and sea ports and on the Eurostar.


From this researchers use a complex formula, based on other official population
databases, to estimate the number of yearly arrivals.

Under the new method, this formula has been tweaked, resulting in changes to
the estimated numbers arriving at certain towns and cities.



Only 4,000?
The new estimate pins the number of migrants in 2009 in Westminster
to just 4,000.
Tory leader Colin Barrow finds this seriously questionable
.

Some have fallen while others have risen, but the total remains unchanged.

Westminster’s migrant population has been reduced by 10,000, and Manchester’s and
Bristol’s each by 30,000. According to ONS briefing papers, Kensington and Chelsea,
Oxford and Cambridge have had ‘quite large downward revisions’.


Mr Barrow said: ‘We would seriously question the estimate that fewer than 4,000
migrants came to Westminster in the 2009 financial year to seek work.

'We have seen more people registering with doctors and paying council tax in
Westminster, so we fail to understand how the government statisticians can be so wrong.’


Councils can lose millions in Treasury grants if Whitehall cuts their population estimates.

The ONS was scheduled to publish papers about the new migration counting
system last week, but failed to do so. Some places are said to show a
higher count, such as Newham, East London, with a 13 per cent increase.

The ONS declined to comment yesterday.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064087/Migrants-disappear-Thousands-migrants-counted-cities-new-official-system.html#ixzz1eJCwqHiG

And now, after 16 YEARS of SCATTERING, MIXING, MINGLING,
AND LOSING, SELF CONFESSED ANTI CHRISTS, ALL OVER what
remained of (once civil), Christian Faith Based, European Nations,
that NOW HAVE FELLOW COUNTRYMEN ATTACKING EACH OTHER,

The FOREWARNED, Closing of Boarders, BEGINS...!!!...while,
"Those" SAME ANTI CHRISTS
KEEP DEMANDING that
WE LETS THEM FLOOD UNCONTROLLED INTO AUSTRALIA!!!


"Sorry. We don't know where your cat is"




EU moves to end
passport-free Schengen travel

The European Union has moved toward
reversing passport free travel
across the
continent
amid fears of a wave of migrants
fleeing unrest in north Africa.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8511019/EU-moves-to-end-passport-free-Schengen-travel.html
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Post  true lilly on Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:59 am


Updated 13th Oct 2011
Fairfax Who’s Who

The first name to be conjured with in any history of
the Fairfax family is the little known name Skirpenbeck. He was alleged
to be a descendant of the Danish invaders of the 10th century who had a liaison with an Anglo-Saxon female and produced a son who was the ancestor of Richard who, in the 12th/13th century took the surname Faeger Fax later changed to Fairfax.


Many early members of the family entered the military, the most famous being General Sir Thomas Fairfax who was the first person to actually train an army and who led the Parliamentary troops to victory in the English 17th century civil wars.

Other members of the family joined the navy, one of whom was Vice Admiral Sir William George Fairfax
who took part in General Woolf’s capture of Quebec. Another Admiral,
Robert Fairfax, played a prominent part in the taking of Gibraltar in
1704 and was richly rewarded by Queen Anne. He later became an MP.


In the 17th century William Fairfax and his family crossed the Atlantic to join Captain John Smith and “Princess” Pocahontas, the first settlers in Jamestown but all were later killed by Indians.

The 6th Lord Fairfax
also made his way to Virginia in 1746 where he befriended the youthful
George Washington and gave him his first job surveying part of his
enormous estate of 5 million acres. Fairfax County was named after him.
In the 19th century,


John Fairfax and his family from Warwickshire emigrated to Australia and became newspaper magnates some of whom were later knighted.

Mary Somerville
nee Fairfax died in 1872 when she was 92 and sometimes referred to as
“the Queen of Science”. For the time when women were expected to remain
uneducated she wrote books on molecular and microscopic science,
physical geography, etc and was also a talented painter and pianist.
Following her death, Oxford University named a college after her.
Another woman of distinction was Eve Fairfax who was known for her
beauty and a model for Rodin before her death at the age of 106.


In the arts world Robert Fairfax
(spelt at the time Fayrfax) was the musician/composer to Henry VIII and
referred to as “the first gentleman”. He has been described as one of
the least known but most influential of English musicians. His music has
been recorded and is available on several CDs.


More
recently, in an interesting contrast to medieval England, Frankie
Fairfax, was a well known American jazz musician who played with Dizzy
Gillespie. In another aspect of music, Andrew and Anneleen Fairfax are
violin makers and restorers.


Fairfaxes have also featured in literature, particularly poetry, with Edward Fairfax,
the translator of Tasso, and more recently John Fairfax, who died in
2009, a friend of Dylan Thomas and Ted Hughes who was responsible for
creating the Avon Foundation. Other notable contemporary Fairfaxes
include brothers Michael Fairfax and Jo Fairfax, both sculptors.


Family members have also achieved supporting success, most notably Alan Fairfax, who played cricket for Australia and Russell Fairfax,
also Australian and a famous rugby league player. Closer to home,
Ray Fairfax, played soccer for West Bromwich Albion (an English soccer
team).


Royal
associations with the Fairfax family continue to today, with Princes
William and Harry being descendants of 16 th Century nobleman, Sir
Nicholas Fairfax, through their mother Diana Spencer.


Today Fairfax achievements still hit the headlines. Our Patron, Nicholas 14th Lord Fairfax of Cameron, recently took part in a 7,500 mile motor-bike journey across Russia raising money for Russian children's charities. Fairfaxes
can also be found in a diverse range of professions ranging from film
directing, teaching, law and chartered accountancy, spread out across
the globe. This is reflected in the make up of the Society, with members
not only in the UK but also America, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and
the West Indies. - Gerry Webb




ROEBUCK VICTIM EMERGES: Fairfax/ABC must compensate the victims of ...‎ - VEXNEWS

true lilly wrote:Semen from sheet to be tested
for Peter Roebuck's DNA

by: Peter Badel

From:Herald Sun
November 20, 2011
9:39AM


Peter Roebuck.
Picture: ABC Supplied

AN inquest into Peter Roebuck's suicide has taken a twist with
forensic experts to determine whether semen samples taken from a
bedsheet match the DNA of the acclaimed cricket journalist.


It is alleged that Roebuck's semen spilled on to a bedspread as he
attempted to have sex with Zimbabwean man Itai Gondo, who has lodged a
sexual assault complaint against Roebuck.

Forensic analysis will ascertain whether the semen samples match Roebuck's DNA.

The development comes as Mr Gondo, a 26-year-old IT student, spoke out
again yesterday to provide more detailed accounts of his dealings with
the journalist.

In one chilling claim, Mr Gondo accused Roebuck of
playing mind games to trick him into stripping,
alleging the journalist described it as
"peeling off the layers to get to the real me".

Mr Gondo was taken to a Cape Town hospital by South African police
following Roebuck's death to provide DNA and blood samples to a state
pathologist.

With the inquest expected to take at least a month, Mr Gondo
yesterday claimed Roebuck leapt from his hotel room window to avoid the
shame of defending himself against sexual assault charges.

"As far as I am concerned he took his own life because he didn't want to face the law," he told a South African newspaper.

"He didn't want to face up to what he did.

"So it's not my problem. He is the architect of his own demise."

Mr Gondo, who wanted to take his own life following the alleged incident,
said Roebuck has robbed him of his day in court.

"The more I thought through it, I realised I wanted my day in court so I could move on,"
he said.

"I kept thinking if I keep quiet what if he does the same thing to another guy?

"Then I'm going to regret it knowing that I could have stopped this person in his tracks.

"I was feeling suicidal. I was hiding out in my room. I couldn't eat and was having nightmares.

"In desperation I messaged a very good friend in New York who is like a big brother
and told him what had happened.

"I told him I feel violated as a man . . . that I was shocked I couldn't
fight him off and it makes me feel like a sissy and a pushover.

"This man took advantage of me.
"He preyed on the fact that I was reaching out to him
and trusted him and he did this to me."

Mr Gondo, who met Roebuck via Facebook,
shut down his account on the social network following the journalist's death.

South African newspaper said Mr Gondo reactivated his account briefly
to show its reporter his final Facebook message on November 12,
the day Roebuck plunged six storeys to his death.

The private message to Roebuck read:
"It's funny how you ask me how I am doing
as if what you did to me you find that justifiable?

"So that was your intention all along?

To lure me and pretend you were interested in forming some father-like relationship,
yet your intention was to do the sick, pervert disgusting thing you did to me?

"Well Mr Roebuck, you can stuff whatever form of support you
blatantly faked to be interested in. You have greatly humiliated me and
I feel very violated, disgusted with myself, your acts were of
the purest, sickest kind.

"It makes sense why you pretend to help out orphans,
whilst you prey on their financial difficulty for your perverted satisfaction.

"I shudder to even think what sick sex-related things you're doing to
those 17 boys staying with you!

"I don't need your assistance, I don't shake hands with the devil,
don't bother replying for I will block you after this message.

"One day the long arm of the law
will catch up with your evil misdeeds
, rest assured,
then
all the money in the world won't save you.
"Goodbye, Mr Molester and good riddance!"




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Post  mugglez on Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:32 am

no lie lilly, you are a neo NAZI, anti semite.....and a pathological liar...... thumbs up

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.
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What are you blind? You didn't see the first two Posts? You don't believe Genesis 10, the Table of Nations, you don't know that life began beneath the sea before it appeared on land? You don't know/understand that human life is quantitatively and qualitateively different then all other life on this Planet and the Universe?





lilly, you falsely claim that no one responds/refutes your 'claims' that australia is the Biblical 'promised Land'. That you falsely 'claim' that australia is the Biblical Zion.

That you 'claim' that the land of egypt is not mentioned in the Bible, that some of the events of Abraham, Joseph, and the Tribes of the Hebrews/Israelites did not take place in Egypt.

You also Falsely claim that Yahshua/Jesus 'did away' with the Torah/Instruction of YHWH-Yahweh.

You also Falsely claim that 'spiritual Israel' replaces the Jews and the geographical Israel.


ALL of your 'claims' are FALSE and I, Senor El Kabong, Monsieur Le Sabrage and Barnacle Bill have refuted ALL your 'claims', proving them to be FALSE and wrong with credentialed Scholarship and credentialed Academic and Theological Sources.

Here is your challenge. Will you run away as always, obfusicate the clear meanings or will you 'stand toe to toe' and support your FALSE 'claims' with credentialed sources that can be verified.

Truth IS NOT ambiguous and subject to personal opinion. TRUTH is FACT/Reality. Below is a Timeline of the Earths Evolution.........from the beginning. Notice the formation and dissolution of the various Super-continents. Also notice the great oxidization of the earths atmosphere event.......all supported by the fossil record. Do you agree or disagree?


The Kloo Store is open!!!!! The words you are talking about ORIGINALLY were scribed in Hebrew, at Sinai. Circa approximately 1,500 BCE............examine this authentic scientific Timeline............Notice, if you will when the Landmasses SEPARATED..........Notice if you will the Oxidization of the Atmosphere.......before you babble anymore nonsense acquire the Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker......all you are doing is Antisemitic/judeophobic propaganda replacement bullshit...... ..


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html



Counting Backwards from Now

60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.

380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.

2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.

205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.

313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia


1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.

3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.
3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth. wave


4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!


The Genesis enigma: How DID the Bible describe the evolution of life 3,000 years before Darwin?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz1eMgMePRe

The revalation came to Professor Andrew Parker during a visit to Rome. He was in the Sistine Chapel, gazing up at Michelangelo's awesome ceiling paintings, when a realisation struck him with dizzying force.
'A Biblical enigma exists that is on the one hand so cryptic it has remained camouflaged for millennia, and on the other so obvious one cannot miss it.'
The enigma is that the order of Creation as described in the Book of Genesis, and so powerfully depicted in the Sistine Chapel by the greatest artist of the Renaissance, has been precisely, eerily confirmed by modern evolutionary science.

Yet how on earth could this be possible? And why had nobody noticed it before?
Such was the starting point of Parker's jaw-dropping new book, The Genesis Enigma: an astounding work which seeks to prove that the ancient Hebrew writers of the Book of Genesis knew all about evolution - 3,000 years before Darwin.
It takes a journey back through aeons of geological time, and also into the minds and imaginations of the ancient Israelites.
Andrew Parker is a leading scientist in his field: a research fellow at Oxford University, research leader at the Natural History Museum, and as if that weren't enough, a professor at Shanghai's Jiao Tong university.
As a scientist he never paid much heed to the Book of Genesis, assuming, like most of his colleagues, that such primitive mythology - which is believed to have been compiled from several sources between 950 and 500 BC - has long since been 'disproved' by hard scientific fact.
But after his Sistine Chapel moment, he went back to look at Genesis in more detail. And what he read astonished him. It was even, he says, 'slightly scary'.
Somehow - God alone knew how - the writer or writers of that ancient text had described how the evolution of life on earth took place in precise detail and perfect order.
Our ancestors possessed a truly timeless wisdom It is always disturbing and haunting to encounter an ancient wisdom that seems to anticipate or even exceed our own.
More fanciful writers immediately start to theorise wildly: that those who built the pyramids, or Stonehenge, must have been guided by super-intelligent aliens, that sort of thing.
Andrew Parker, a scientist and proud of it, has no time for such twaddle. But he does gradually come to understand, in the course of his investigations, that our ancestors of thousands of years ago, though they may not have had iPods and plasma-screen televisions, nevertheless possessed a wisdom that was, quite literally, timeless: as true now as it was then.
In the Book of Genesis, God first and most famously creates heaven and earth, but 'without form', and commands: 'Let there be light.' A perfect description of the Big Bang, that founding moment of our universe some 13 billion years ago, an unimaginable explosion of pure energy and matter 'without form' out of nothing - the primordial Biblical 'void'.
He then creates the dry land out of the waters, but it is the water that comes first. As Parker points out, scientists today understand very similarly that water is indeed crucial for life.

When 'astrobiologists' look into space for signs of life on other planets, the first thing they look for is the possible presence of water.
On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'
Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.
But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.

The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.
As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.
Naturally, says Parker, 'the ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled life form, let alone cyanobacteria', but 'grass' as a loose description of life forms that photosynthesise?

On the fourth day, Genesis famously becomes confusing. On the first day, remember, God has already created light, and made Day and Night. But it isn't until day four that he makes the lights in heaven, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser the night.
Hang on - so he made 'Day' three days before he made the Sun? Houston, I think we have a problem.

Yet the writers of Genesis were just as well aware as us, surely, that the sunrise causes the day. You don't need a degree in astronomy to work that one out. What on earth did they mean?
Here, The Genesis Enigma comes up with a stunningly ingenious answer. For Parker argues that day four refers to the evolution of vision.
Until the first creatures on earth evolved eyes, in a sense, the sun and moon didn't exist. There was no creature on earth to see them, nor the light they cast.

When Genesis says: 'Let there be lights... To divide the day from the night,' it is talking about eyes.
'The very first eye on earth effectively turned on the lights for animal behaviour,' writes Professor Parker, 'and consequently for further rapid evolution.'
Almost overnight, life suddenly grew vastly more complex. Predators were able to hunt far more efficiently, and so prey had to evolve fast too - or get eaten.

The moment that there were 'lights', or eyes, then life exploded into all its infinite variety.
And yet again, that's what Genesis says happened, and in the correct environment too. In the sea.
For on the very next day of Creation, the fifth day: 'God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life."'

That is exactly what happened. Life that had hitherto been lived in the dark, by simple, slow-moving, worm-like creatures, erupted into dazzling diversity. We know all about it from the world famous Burgess Shale fossils.
They were discovered in the summer of 1909 by one Charles Doolittle Walcott, on holiday with his family in the Canadian Rockies. Walcott began to chip away at the shale with his geological hammer, and quite by chance stumbled upon one of the greatest finds in all science.
For the shale records what happened on our planet around 508 million years ago, long before the first dinosaurs: the 'Cambrian expolosion,' which most scientists now think was indeed the direct result of the evolution of vision.
Life on earth exploded in all its infinite variety The life-forms discovered look like nothing else: fabulous, phantasmagoric, alien beings. One had five eyes, and a long wavy snout with jaws on the end. Another looked like an octopus with its head stuck in a beaker, and another can only be described as 'a swimming pea with a pair of beady eyes, bull's horns, a pair of "hands" and a fish's tail.'
Others resemble balls of spines, vase-shaped pin-cushions, or badminton shuttlecocks with chameleon-like tongues. Anyone who doubts the power of evolution by natural selection only has to look at the Burgess Shale fossils.
How does Genesis describe the teeming aquatic life of the Cambrian explosion? 'And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life." ' Immediately following the creation of vision.
How did the writer/writers know that life suddenly diversified into this rich and staggering variety, under the oceans, not on land? Why would a very much land-based people, pastoralists and shepherds, even think like this?
After the Cambrian come the Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian periods - or the appearance of 'great whales', as Genesis succinctly puts it.
How better to describe those epochs which gave us such monsters of the deep as Dunkleosteus, a carnivorous armoured fish whose appearance, says Parker, was 'simply terrifying'. Some 35ft long, 'the size of a small coach', with massive, bone-crunching jaws, even its eyes were armoured.
And after the sea monsters come the birds, the animals, cattle, and finally, homo sapiens. All present and correct, and all still in the right order. Once again, 'In describing how the planet and life around us came to be, the writer of the Genesis narrative got it disturbingly right'.
So what should we make of the extraordinary findings of The Genesis Enigma?
Professor Parker is clear on this subject. 'It would be a great shame if my findings were either misused in an attempt to suggest that scientists themselves are unsure about science, or pounded out of all recognition into support of the seven-day creation premise.'
There is no doubt that literal-minded Creationists do a disservice to the triumphant achievements of modern science, and to the beauty and poetry of the Bible. Evolution is taking place around us all the time. It's why the MRSA superbug has become so dangerously immune to antibiotics, why the race is on to beat the swine flu virus.
Nevertheless, when Parker comes to explaining how the writers of Genesis knew what they knew, he can only conclude that it was due to 'divine intervention', or 'a lucky guess'. Since the odds of the latter seem fantastically remote, Parker tentatively suggests the former.



That totally refutes your unsupported claims. You pervert The Word of God, you dismiss and attack the Torah, Gods instruction to humanity, you claim to replace the jews and Israel based upon distorted and deformed interpretation of Hebrew Texts.......you.........suzi/lilly are the proverbial False Prophet, a pessimist, it took you a week to respond to an honest debate and you lied and bullshitted... thumbs up

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Post  true lilly on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:42 pm

Killer with drug-fuelled violence history
should not have been free to kill - dad

by:Mark Dunn
From:
Herald Sun
November 23, 2011

2:12PM


Elsa Corp died after agreeing to go on a blind date. Supplied

A PAROLEE with a history of drug-affected violence brutally murdered
a young woman on a blind date - leaving her with horrific injuries -
before setting fire to a hotel room where her body lay and driving into
two people as he fled the scene, a court has heard.

David Patrick Clifford, 30, was given a four-month jail sentence in
December 15, 2009 but was on the streets 47 days
later when he bashed,
stabbed, and strangled to death Elsa Janet Corp on February 1, 2010, the
Supreme Court heard today.


"The murderer was on parole and on bail
for other offences ...
he should not have been at liberty on the
first of February, 2010 ...
our daughter should be with us today,''

father Andrew Corp told the court in his victim impact statement.


The court heard Clifford had a history of drug abuse and violent behaviour,
something unknown to Ms Corp after she agreed to meet him for a blind
date before being taken to the City Park Hotel on Kings Way, South
Melbourne.


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Prosecutor Michele Williams SC said Ms Corp, a hairdresser, was
found with an electrical cord around her neck, 60 incision wounds to her
head and neck, a puncture wound in her back, multiple rib fractures, a
severed spine, facial fractures, and a torso injury compatible with
being attacked with a steam iron.


Clifford, of Lower Templestowe, set fire to the hotel room and stole identification material from Ms Corp in an attempt to disguise his crime, Ms Williams said.

In the moments after the early-morning attack, he drove at and hit one woman
in Collins St and then ran down another man near Bourke and Exhibition
streets, carrying him on the bonnet of his accelerating Toyota for up to
40m as he fled the area, the court heard.


Clifford, who had a history of speed and ice abuse, had been involved in at least three
prior
drug-related violent incidents, including his December convictions for resisting police after a home invasion of two elderly people.


He was also arrested, but not charged over a siege at his own family home
which involved up to 30 police
in December 2006 and a December 2008
incident - again where he was not charged
- where he needed to be tied
up by family members after he became delusional and violent, claiming he
was being eaten alive by mercury in his computer.


The plea hearing for Clifford, who has pleaded guilty to murder, continues today before Justice Elizabeth Hollingworth.
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Post  true lilly on Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:24 pm

Slipper tipped as
Harry Jenkins resigns
as lower house Speaker

by:Phillip Hudson, Steve Lewis
From:Herald Sun AAP
November 24, 2011
9:08AM
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Queensland Liberal MP Peter Slipper looks set to be the new Speaker in the House of Representatives. Picture: Ray Strange
The Daily Telegraph


Speaker Harry Jenkins has resigned his position.
The Daily Telegraph

UPDATE 11am: A CONTROVERSIAL Queensland Coalition MP - who is facing
possible expulsion from his own party - is set to become the
Labor-backed Speaker of the Parliament.

Labor MPs are meeting this morning after Victorian MP Harry Speaker
dropped a bombshell announcement that he was quitting as Speaker after
1382 days in the hot seat.

Mr Jenkins only told Prime Minister Julia Gillard about his decision
at 7.30am today.

It is believed Labor will nominate the Coalition MP and deputy Speaker Peter Slipper for the post.

The move will immediately change the numbers on the floor of the House of Representatives, giving Labor an extra vote.

“It will increase our numbers and 76-73 is better than 75-74,” said one Labor MP backing the push to put Mr Slipper in the post.

Senior Labor sources said the Caucus was meeting with Anthony Albanese, the
Manager of Government Business, to nominate Mr Slipper for the role.

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But despite the advantage to Labor, a number of Government MPs are
expected to express concern about Mr Slipper being appointed to one of
the highest positions in the parliament.

Labor has 72 votes - plus Greens' MP Adam Bandt - in the 150 seat chamber, relying on the rural independents to pass legislation.

If Mr Slipper resigns from the LNP and sits on the cross-benches, it would make it easier for Ms Gillard to secure legislative passage as she would gain the added vote of Mr Jenkins.

Julia should be the one resigning - Abbott

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said it should be up to the Gillard government to
provide a replacement for Mr Jenkins, and stressed any Coalition member
accepting the post would be automatically dumped from the party room.

"This is bad day for democracy in Australia,''
he told reporters in Canberra.

"The Speaker has resigned so that the government can shore up its numbers in
the parliament,'' Mr Abbott said adding it should have been Ms Gillard
who resigned, not Mr Jenkins.

"I think what we will see after today is a Government dependent on the Greens, Independents and a new speaker, which I think is a sign of how fragile and desperate this
Government is to shore up its own position."

Mr Abbott said no Coalition member would be able to stand in as Speaker, following a resolution of the Coalition party room.

"Any of our members that might accept such a nomination would henceforth be
excluded from our party room and expected to resign their membership of
the parties,'' Mr Abbott said.

But Mr Abbott said he did not think Mr Slipper was at the party room meeting.

Speaker's frustration behind shock move

Mr Jenkins said he quit because he had become frustrated at the stricture
of minority government and he wanted to participate in policy and
parliamentary debate. As Speaker he has been unable to do that.

Mr Slipper has faced questions about his use of parliamentary entitlements
and is facing a possible challenge in his Queensland seat.

The Deputy Speaker earned the ire of LNP executives after snubbing a visit
to his electorate by former Prime Minister John Howard just over a week
ago.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott suggested Mr Jenkins' resignation was due to turmoil within the Labor Party.

Mr Jenkins told a hushed Parliament this morning that he would go
"placidly, with my humour intact'' as he received a standing ovation
from Government and Opposition MPs.

He explained that he had become progressively frustrated at the stricture of minority government.

"My desire is to be able to participate in policy and parliamentary debate,
and this would be incompatible with continuing in the role of Speaker,'' he said.

Mr Jenkins said he had always tried to uphold the fine traditions of Speaker and carry out
his duties in the most independent and non-partisan manner possible.

"I thank all members for their co-operation which they have
dispensed to varying degrees depending upon the individual,'' he said.

He also thanked House of Representatives staff including Clerk Bernard Wright,
officers of the Department of Parliamentary Services, and his own staff.

After teaching US President Barack Obama last week the phrase
"cheese and kisses'' for "missus'', Mr Jenkins slipped some more rhyming slang into
his farewell.

"I acknowledge my eternal indebtedness to my 'trouble and strife' Michele,'' he said.

He also thanked the four generations of his family "without whose support I
would never have been able to achieve the high office I hold''.

"I go placidly with my humour intact. I wish you all well.''
- with AAP

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petras wrote: 23-11-2011, 07:54 PM

The World from Berlin


Berlin's Reaction to Neo-Nazi Terror 'Is Too Late'

German papers were filled Wednesday with images of Chancellor Angela
Merkel and members of her cabinet standing with their heads bowed on the
floor of the Bundestag. Their statement said: "We are deeply ashamed."

The current interior minister, Hans-Peter Friedrich, reportedly is
looking for a way to ban the NPD without stopping the use of informants,
which would mean that the authorities would lose a valuable source of
information about the party. The departing Israeli ambassador to Berlin,
Yoram Ben-Zeev, has also called for a ban of the party. He told
the mass circulation daily Bild: "Democracies must fight against such
things. I don't want to draw comparisons, but the Nazis were also a
legitimate party. They came to power in a legitimate way."

'I thank President (Christian) Wulff that he will be meeting today with
the relatives, and offering a sign of solidarity and sympathy from the
entire German people,' said Merkel.

'These attacks were no more and no less than an attack on our democratic system,' she said.

Responding to opposition allegations that domestic intelligence agencies
had paid less attention to rightists than to leftists, she said, 'We
can do without that ... It drives a wedge into the unity among democrats.'

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...799500,00.html
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...cy-says-Merkel





First picture of "wedge" on google: RED SHOES, peep-toes, TOMS
(note the colours of the label)

Zeev

Zeh = toe in German



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Intelligent design



see: Watchmaker analogy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Quote:Originally Posted by petras

The "NSU - Döner-Kebab-Bosphorus serial murders"
entangled in a web of various secret services' interests

http://translate.google.de/translate...id%3Dz%26c%3D3

People from Groningen Province
Abel Tasman, Explorer


The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.

So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?


Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.
TASMANIA

Terry Martin (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Former MP guilty of sex crimes against 12-year-old girl in Tasmania
Ex-MP Terence Lewis Martin guilty of sex with girl, 12

SA MP arrested on child porn charges


The Bonne-Chière windmill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groningen_%28province%29
Political history
East Groningen was the scene of a particularly fierce class struggle in the 19th and 20th centuries. Perhaps not coincidentally, Groningen boasts the only municipality (Beerta) where the Communist Party of the Netherlands has ever had a mayor (Hanneke Jagersma).
Culture
Groeningemuseum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruges
Bruges-la-Morte, meaning "Bruges-the-dead",
which was adapted into
Erich Wolfgang Korngold's opera,
Die tote Stadt
(The Dead City).
In the last half of the 19th century,
Brugesbecame
one of the world's first tourist destinations
attracting wealthy British
and French tourists.
[clarification needed]

Only in the second half of the 20th century has the city started to
reclaim
some of its past glory.

The port of Zeebrugge was built in 1907.
The Germans used it for their U-boats in World War I.

It was greatly expanded in the 1970s and early 1980s
and has become one
of Europe's most important and modern ports.


International tourism has boomed,
and new efforts have resulted in Bruges being designated
'European Capital of Culture' in 2002.



The Elly Mærsk, here at Zeebrugge port,
currently one of the world's largest container vessels.


In Bruges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwHHkxFBpBE&NR=1
http://tinyurl.com/68cgsdt


http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=191310&page=3




[url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0268199/][/url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780536/quotes
Ray
:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have
the good sense not to... hang on.
Is Belgium with all those
child abuse murders lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.
What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates
and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.


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MP Bernard Finnigan charged over alleged possession of kiddie porn
Posted: April 21, 2011 in Australian Crimes, Crimes, Current News, Pedophiles
Tags: aussiecriminals, Bernard Finnigan, Child pornography, criminals, Member of Parliament, Mike Rann, Paedophiles, Politicians, PREMIER Mike Rann, South Australia
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<blockquote>Dirty sleazy filthy rotten conniving fat paedophile wannabe busted with kiddie porn.
and masquerading as a good catholic boy, a self proclaimed servant of
Christ!!! Should of become a priest, or maybe thank god he didn’t, he
then would of had easy access to boys…Get this fat ugly bastard into
jail fast please…
</blockquote>
Update 9th June 2011
(SODLIKE:
Most users ever online was
267 on Sat Jul 09, 2011)


UPPER House MP Bernard Finnigan turned up at Parliament for a
ridiculous self-indulgent cameo today….The fat pervert selfish in the
extreme, not even giving the government the respect to stay around for
more than a few minutes


The former leader of the Government in the Upper
House appeared at 4.35pm and left after eight minutes at 4.43pm. He
resumed his seat on the back bench on the Government side on the
chamber, but did not make any comment or contribute to the debate.

Mr Finnigan refused to explain his absence for seven straight
sittings to reporters and would not say if he intended to keep his seat.
He walked slowly to the carpark before driving off.

Under parliamentary rules, MPs are automatically dismissed from
office if they miss 12 consecutive sitting days without being granted
leave, traditionally allowed in instances of sickness.

Mr Finnigan missed seven sitting days and was required to attend
before June 23 to avoid being sacked, and forfeiting his $130,000 base
salary, access to an office and staff as well as subsidised car and
phone use. His appearance yesterday means he can remain absent until
September 14.

He only needed to attend
Parliament today long enough to have his appearance noted to win another
12-sitting day reprieve from expulsion.


UPDATE 20/05/11 here is his court case number 223 AMC-11-4367 F, B.V. (SUPPRESSED) what a joke
<blockquote>The slime bag appeared in court today and will appear in
court again in August. I wonder who is paying this fat slimy slobs legal
bills? He his hiding behind the fact he has not entered a plea to
hoping to stop himself being revealed…Too late sicko!
</blockquote>THE disgraced politician at the centre of child pornography allegations made his first court appearance at Adelaide’s Magistrates Court today!

The man, who has yet to plead to multiple counts of child pornography offences, arrived at court just before 10am.

He was accompanied by his lawyer Michael Abbott, QC, and his solicitor Dominic Agresta.

The trio walked silently through a large media pack and
entered the court. Oh don’t they wish they could say more my
friends…(feel free to send me anonymous emails!!!)


Section 71A of the Evidence Act (1929) bans the media from publishing any evidence tendered, or submission made, in the Magistrates Court relating to an alleged sex offence.

See the date of that act? Friggin
1929!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! About time for an update, considering we are in
the super information highway of the 21st century?


Luckily I am not the media and as all this information is
publicly available on the internet. I take snippets from various sources
and do not claim to represent them.I choose to reproduce it here.


Alleged offenders can only be named and submissions reported, when they enter a plea to the charges. This was the case in 1929!!!

As he left court, the man and Mr Agresta were involved in a scuffle with a reporter.

Courts sheriff officers ejected the reporter from the court, and banned him from the building for 24 hours.

The man, who is on bail, will appear in court again in August.

<blockquote>UPDATE 24/04/11 Rann’s Press Conference, so much for an open government, just stick your head in the sand Rann! It will go away

Mr Rann declined to give any support to Mr Finnigan yesterday when asked if he should quit politics.

“That’s up to Mr Finnigan and those matters will be dealt with at a later stage,” Mr Rann said. Opposition education spokesman David Pisoni said Labor must explain why Mr Finnigan resigned as minister.

“When Mr Finnigan was announced as minister 72 days earlier there was great fanfare,” Mr Pisoni said. “The
Premier has been silent on the reasons for Mr Finnigan leaving the
ministry – South Australians deserve an explanation, why did we see such
a sudden departure of Mr Finnigan?”


Is it totally a coincidence NO ITS NOT that South Australian MP and acting Police Minister Bernard Finnigan has resigned from Cabinet today? Premier Mike Rann announced this morning that he had accepted Mr Finnigan’s resignation from Cabinet and Executive Council.
</blockquote>Bernard Finnigan being sworn in, now busted with kiddie porn

PREMIER Mike Rann says he is shocked by reports of an MP
being charged with serious criminal offences involving alleged
possession of child pornography.


The MP at the centre of the allegations has been identified as a
Labor MP but a six-paragraph statement released by Mr Rann makes no
mention of the MP’s political affiliations.

“For legal reasons, no person, including me as Premier, is at liberty
to reveal the identity of the person, the subject of the allegations,
or to disclose any information through which others may infer the
identity of the person,” Mr Rann said.

“It would be against the law for me to comment on the allegations as the matter is now before the courts.

“I believe that any potential witnesses with any evidence or
information about these allegations must co-operate fully with police.”

Mr Rann said the Government would, of course, co-operate with the police in the investigation.

The MP was taken to the City Watchhouse on Wednesday night, charged with four child pornography offences and later released on police bail.

He will appear in Adelaide Magistrates Court on May 20.

Detectives said their investigation was continuing.

Under SA law he cannot be identified until his committal, unless he gives his consent.

He returned home earlier today but had not spoken to the waiting media outside.

Politicians from both sides say they are shocked by the allegations.

Police said the arrest was the result of the Sexual Crime
Investigation Branch’s ongoing “Operation Decimate”, which targets
people who use the internet for child exploitation-related offences.

The maximum penalty for possessing child pornography in South
Australia is five years in jail for a first offence. The maximum penalty
for an aggravated offence in seven years in jail.

Section 63 of the Criminal Law Consolidation Act 1935 says that an
aggravated offence includes an offender knowing that the victim was aged
under 14 at the time, or the offence being committed in the company of
one or more other people.

It is believed several laptops were seized from the MP’s suburban home.

Turmoil swept state political circles as details of the incident emerged.

There were reports that police visited the MP’s office at Parliament
House but this was denied by the presiding officers, who have to give
permission for police to enter the building.

Legislative Council President Bob Sneath said he had not been approached by police and Speaker Lyn Breuer said she had not been contacted by police.

Ms Breuer said she was “certainly concerned about the issue”.

Labor and Liberal MPs were in shock last night and few were prepared
to talk about the incident. Many were asking the media for details.

A spokeswoman for Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond said she could not comment.

It is understood the MP’s home was raided on Tuesday afternoon and police spent 24 hours analysing the contents of a computer.

Yesterday, they went to the MP’s office and seized another computer for analysis. Last night, police returned to the MP’s house.

One officer emerged from the house about 7.35pm and went to a police
car. He then carried what appeared to be a tape back into the house. At
7.55pm, two detectives wearing gloves searched a car parked in the
driveway.

They examined the boot and under the seats before returning to the
house. Police left the house at 8.10pm carrying several evidence bags
containing compact discs and a mobile phone and the house was shut and
left in darkness.

Why the MP charged with alleged child pornography offences cannot be named

THE name of the Labor MP charged with child pornography
offences will remain a state secret for months thanks to an 35-year-old
law.Absolute rubbish, should be one law for all…


It is further banned from naming any person charged with an offence, and must not identify anyone alleged to be a victim.

The act defines a sex crime as “any offence involving sexual
exploitation or abuse of a child, or exploitation of a child as an
object of prurient interest”.

The act says alleged offenders can only be named once they have
entered a plea – be it guilty or not guilty – to the charges, and have
been remanded for either sentence or trial.

The MP is due to appear in court again on May 20, when a magistrate will organise a schedule for the case.

Usually, prosecutors are given between four and six weeks to provide
declarations – summaries of the evidence to be used at trial – to
defence counsel.

Once those papers are handed over, alleged offenders are usually required to enter a plea to the charges within six weeks.

After the pleas have been entered, the alleged offender can be
publicly identified provided the court does not impose any additional
suppression orders.

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Post  true lilly on Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:35 pm

Yes, it is all connected, isn't it Jason...
dixie dean wrote: 24-11-2011, 04:56 AM


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32425I've just had to look at my finger because it seems to be going septic from a splinter I had. Splinter also reminds me of Splint. What I did first though was pierce the skin with a Needle. Needle also reminds me of the Isle of White. On the Germolene Wiki page also see the following...


Quote:


Germolene is a brand name used on a range of antiseptic products
produced by the Bayer company, which in 1999 [1] bought the brand from
the then-Smithkline Beecham. It is manufactured for Bayer UK by the Devon-based Wrafton Laboratories[2] division of US over-the counter and supermarket own label preparation producer Perrigo


Devon and Isle of White reminds me of David Icke and Project Avalon. The Adhesive Plaster I used for my finger is called URGO, but when I put Urgo into Wiki the first page that came up was Urgo (Stargate SG-1)

Stargate SG-1 Stargate's mean Time Travel.

Also when I put Plaster (Medical) into Wiki the first page that came up was Plaster

One of the images on that page is...


19th century plasterwork from House of Borujerdies in Kashan, Iran.

Also on the Adhesive Bandage Wiki page you see the following...


Typical adhesive bandage

On the picture you see the letters IVF. IVF also stands for In Vitro Fertilisation


Quote:


In vitro fertilisation (IVF) is a
process by which egg cells are fertilised by sperm outside the body: in
vitro. IVF is a major treatment in infertility when other methods of
assisted reproductive technology have failed.


So, what the links mean, I'm not sure.
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true lilly wrote:NURSES VOW TO DEFT SUSPENSION ORDER
Nurses vow to defy suspension order

Stephen Drill, Lucie van den Berg
UPDATE 11.05am:

NURSES have pledged
to continue closing beds
and cancelling elective surgery
despite an order stopping strikes.

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Umpire suspends nurses industrial action
OCCUPY PROTESTERS 'GAVE DRUGS TO KIDS'
Occupy protesters 'gave drugs to kids'

10:09AM
Angus Thompson

UPDATE 11.25am:

OCCUPY Melbourne activists
have given drugs to homeless children
as young as 12,
a charity group says.
In one of the 'DAVID ICKE' OFFICIAL FORUMS Links below,
you will see YET MORE of TINTIN'S SUPPORTERS,
DEFENDING BABY FUCKERS
Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
...last night I watched

Snowtown murders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and

an hour after, at 7:30 AM...

Slipper tipped as
Harry Jenkins resigns
as lower house Speaker

by:Phillip Hudson, Steve Lewis
From:Herald Sun AAP
November 24, 2011
9:08AM
78 comments
Queensland Liberal MP Peter Slipper looks set to be the new Speaker in the House of Representatives. Picture: Ray Strange
The Daily Telegraph


Speaker Harry Jenkins has resigned his position.
The Daily Telegraph

UPDATE 11am: A CONTROVERSIAL Queensland Coalition MP - who is facing
possible expulsion from his own party - is set to become the
Labor-backed Speaker of the Parliament.

Labor MPs are meeting this morning after Victorian MP Harry Speaker
dropped a bombshell announcement that he was quitting as Speaker after
1382 days in the hot seat.

Mr Jenkins only told Prime Minister Julia Gillard about his decision
at 7.30am today.

It is believed Labor will nominate the Coalition MP and deputy Speaker Peter Slipper for the post.

The move will immediately change the numbers on the floor of the House of Representatives, giving Labor an extra vote.

“It will increase our numbers and 76-73 is better than 75-74,” said one Labor MP backing the push to put Mr Slipper in the post.

Senior Labor sources said the Caucus was meeting with Anthony Albanese, the
Manager of Government Business, to nominate Mr Slipper for the role.

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But despite the advantage to Labor, a number of Government MPs are
expected to express concern about Mr Slipper being appointed to one of
the highest positions in the parliament.

Labor
has 72 votes - plus Greens' MP Adam Bandt - in the 150 seat chamber,
relying on the rural independents to pass legislation.

If Mr
Slipper resigns from the LNP and sits on the cross-benches, it would
make it easier for Ms Gillard to secure legislative passage as she
would gain the added vote of Mr Jenkins.

Julia should be the one resigning - Abbott

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said it should be up to the Gillard government to
provide a replacement for Mr Jenkins, and stressed any Coalition member
accepting the post would be automatically dumped from the party room.

"This is bad day for democracy in Australia,''
he told reporters in Canberra.

"The Speaker has resigned so that the government can shore up its numbers in
the parliament,'' Mr Abbott said adding it should have been Ms Gillard
who resigned, not Mr Jenkins.

"I
think what we will see after today is a Government dependent on the
Greens, Independents and a new speaker, which I think is a sign of how
fragile and desperate this
Government is to shore up its own position."

Mr Abbott said no Coalition member would be able to stand in as Speaker, following a resolution of the Coalition party room.

"Any of our members that might accept such a nomination would henceforth be
excluded from our party room and expected to resign their membership of
the parties,'' Mr Abbott said.

But Mr Abbott said he did not think Mr Slipper was at the party room meeting.

Speaker's frustration behind shock move

Mr Jenkins said he quit because he had become frustrated at the stricture
of minority government and he wanted to participate in policy and
parliamentary debate. As Speaker he has been unable to do that.

Mr Slipper has faced questions about his use of parliamentary entitlements
and is facing a possible challenge in his Queensland seat.

The Deputy Speaker earned the ire of LNP executives after snubbing a visit
to his electorate by former Prime Minister John Howard just over a week
ago.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott suggested Mr Jenkins' resignation was due to turmoil within the Labor Party.

Mr Jenkins told a hushed Parliament this morning that he would go
"placidly, with my humour intact'' as he received a standing ovation
from Government and Opposition MPs.

He explained that he had become progressively frustrated at the stricture of minority government.

"My desire is to be able to participate in policy and parliamentary debate,
and this would be incompatible with continuing in the role of Speaker,'' he said.

Mr Jenkins said he had always tried to uphold the fine traditions of Speaker and carry out
his duties in the most independent and non-partisan manner possible.

"I thank all members for their co-operation which they have
dispensed to varying degrees depending upon the individual,'' he said.

He also thanked House of Representatives staff including Clerk Bernard Wright,
officers of the Department of Parliamentary Services, and his own staff.

After teaching US President Barack Obama last week the phrase
"cheese and kisses'' for "missus'', Mr Jenkins slipped some more rhyming slang into
his farewell.

"I acknowledge my eternal indebtedness to my 'trouble and strife' Michele,'' he said.

He also thanked the four generations of his family "without whose support I
would never have been able to achieve the high office I hold''.

"I go placidly with my humour intact. I wish you all well.''
- with AAP

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petras wrote: 23-11-2011, 07:54 PM

The World from Berlin


Berlin's Reaction to Neo-Nazi Terror 'Is Too Late'

German papers were filled Wednesday with images of Chancellor Angela
Merkel and members of her cabinet standing with their heads bowed on the
floor of the Bundestag. Their statement said: "We are deeply ashamed."

The current interior minister, Hans-Peter Friedrich, reportedly is
looking for a way to ban the NPD without stopping the use of informants,
which would mean that the authorities would lose a valuable source of
information about the party. The departing Israeli ambassador to Berlin,
Yoram Ben-Zeev, has also called for a ban of the party. He told
the mass circulation daily Bild: "Democracies must fight against such
things. I don't want to draw comparisons, but the Nazis were also a
legitimate party. They came to power in a legitimate way."

'I thank President (Christian) Wulff that he will be meeting today with
the relatives, and offering a sign of solidarity and sympathy from the
entire German people,' said Merkel.

'These attacks were no more and no less than an attack on our democratic system,' she said.

Responding to opposition allegations that domestic intelligence agencies
had paid less attention to rightists than to leftists, she said, 'We
can do without that ... It drives a wedge into the unity among democrats.'

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...799500,00.html
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...cy-says-Merkel





First picture of "wedge" on google: RED SHOES, peep-toes, TOMS
(note the colours of the label)

Zeev

Zeh = toe in German



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Intelligent design



see: Watchmaker analogy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

Quote:Originally Posted by petras

The "NSU - Döner-Kebab-Bosphorus serial murders"
entangled in a web of various secret services' interests

http://translate.google.de/translate...id%3Dz%26c%3D3

another interesting coincidence, it wasn't Kate who introduced me to
WEDGES, but for 34 years, it's stuck with me, the great fuss made over
the ESPADRILLE WEDGES, brought back from EUROPE, by an ex-NURSE
NANNY...

Action: Nurses march to Parliament in fight for pay
Medical bungle kills healthy baby

Stephen Drill
A COUPLE is trying to come to grips with the horror of their healthy
32-week-old fetus being terminated at the Royal Women's Hospital.

New research: Not having children may be health risk
Trial program: Teen parents made to finish school
Action: Nurses march to Parliament in fight for pay

People from Groningen Province
Abel Tasman, Explorer


The biggest MASSACRE in australian history was in
Port Arthur.
Tasmania is named after a GRONINGER and
Groningen City, is the MARTINI-City.

The famous MARTINI tower.
96 meters high.
So a MASSACRE in Port arthur.

So what place did the PRINCE OF ORANGE visited
while in tasmania?


Willem alexander in
Port Arthur.
TASMANIA

Terry Martin (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Former MP guilty of sex crimes against 12-year-old girl in Tasmania
Ex-MP Terence Lewis Martin guilty of sex with girl, 12

SA MP arrested on child porn charges


The Bonne-Chière windmill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groningen_%28province%29
Political history
East Groningen was the scene of a particularly fierce class struggle in the 19th and 20th centuries. Perhaps not coincidentally, Groningen boasts the only municipality (Beerta) where the Communist Party of the Netherlands has ever had a mayor (Hanneke Jagersma).
Culture
Groeningemuseum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruges
Bruges-la-Morte, meaning "Bruges-the-dead",
which was adapted into
Erich Wolfgang Korngold's opera,
Die tote Stadt
(The Dead City).
In the last half of the 19th century,
Brugesbecame
one of the world's first tourist destinations
attracting wealthy British
and French tourists.
[clarification needed]

Only in the second half of the 20th century has the city started to
reclaim
some of its past glory.

The port of Zeebrugge was built in 1907.
The Germans used it for their U-boats in World War I.

It was greatly expanded in the 1970s and early 1980s
and has become one
of Europe's most important and modern ports.


International tourism has boomed,
and new efforts have resulted in Bruges being designated
'European Capital of Culture' in 2002.



The Elly Mærsk, here at Zeebrugge port,
currently one of the world's largest container vessels.


In Bruges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwHHkxFBpBE&NR=1
http://tinyurl.com/68cgsdt


http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=191310&page=3




[url=http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0268199/][/url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780536/quotes
Ray
:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have
the good sense not to... hang on.
Is Belgium with all those
child abuse murders lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.
What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates
and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.


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MP Bernard Finnigan charged over alleged possession of kiddie porn
Posted: April 21, 2011 in Australian Crimes, Crimes, Current News, Pedophiles
Tags: aussiecriminals, Bernard Finnigan, Child pornography, criminals, Member of Parliament, Mike Rann, Paedophiles, Politicians, PREMIER Mike Rann, South Australia
119
25 Votes
<blockquote>Dirty sleazy filthy rotten conniving fat paedophile wannabe busted with kiddie porn.
and masquerading as a good catholic boy, a self proclaimed servant of
Christ!!! Should of become a priest, or maybe thank god he didn’t, he
then would of had easy access to boys…Get this fat ugly bastard into
jail fast please…
</blockquote>
Update 9th June 2011
(SODLIKE:
Most users ever online was
267 on Sat Jul 09, 2011)


UPPER House MP Bernard Finnigan turned up at Parliament for a
ridiculous self-indulgent cameo today….The fat pervert selfish in the
extreme, not even giving the government the respect to stay around for
more than a few minutes


The former leader of the Government in the Upper
House appeared at 4.35pm and left after eight minutes at 4.43pm. He
resumed his seat on the back bench on the Government side on the
chamber, but did not make any comment or contribute to the debate.

Mr Finnigan refused to explain his absence for seven straight
sittings to reporters and would not say if he intended to keep his seat.
He walked slowly to the carpark before driving off.

Under parliamentary rules, MPs are automatically dismissed from
office if they miss 12 consecutive sitting days without being granted
leave, traditionally allowed in instances of sickness.

Mr Finnigan missed seven sitting days and was required to attend
before June 23 to avoid being sacked, and forfeiting his $130,000 base
salary, access to an office and staff as well as subsidised car and
phone use. His appearance yesterday means he can remain absent until
September 14.

He only needed to attend
Parliament today long enough to have his appearance noted to win another
12-sitting day reprieve from expulsion.


UPDATE 20/05/11 here is his court case number 223 AMC-11-4367 F, B.V. (SUPPRESSED) what a joke
<blockquote>The slime bag appeared in court today and will appear in
court again in August. I wonder who is paying this fat slimy slobs legal
bills? He his hiding behind the fact he has not entered a plea to
hoping to stop himself being revealed…Too late sicko!
</blockquote>THE disgraced politician at the centre of child pornography allegations made his first court appearance at Adelaide’s Magistrates Court today!

The man, who has yet to plead to multiple counts of child pornography offences, arrived at court just before 10am.

He was accompanied by his lawyer Michael Abbott, QC, and his solicitor Dominic Agresta.

The trio walked silently through a large media pack and
entered the court. Oh don’t they wish they could say more my
friends…(feel free to send me anonymous emails!!!)


Section 71A of the Evidence Act (1929) bans the media from publishing any evidence tendered, or submission made, in the Magistrates Court relating to an alleged sex offence.

See the date of that act? Friggin
1929!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! About time for an update, considering we are in
the super information highway of the 21st century?


Luckily I am not the media and as all this information is
publicly available on the internet. I take snippets from various sources
and do not claim to represent them.I choose to reproduce it here.


Alleged offenders can only be named and submissions reported, when they enter a plea to the charges. This was the case in 1929!!!

As he left court, the man and Mr Agresta were involved in a scuffle with a reporter.

Courts sheriff officers ejected the reporter from the court, and banned him from the building for 24 hours.

The man, who is on bail, will appear in court again in August.

<blockquote>UPDATE 24/04/11 Rann’s Press Conference, so much for an open government, just stick your head in the sand Rann! It will go away

Mr Rann declined to give any support to Mr Finnigan yesterday when asked if he should quit politics.

“That’s up to Mr Finnigan and those matters will be dealt with at a later stage,” Mr Rann said. Opposition education spokesman David Pisoni said Labor must explain why Mr Finnigan resigned as minister.

“When Mr Finnigan was announced as minister 72 days earlier there was great fanfare,” Mr Pisoni said. “The
Premier has been silent on the reasons for Mr Finnigan leaving the
ministry – South Australians deserve an explanation, why did we see such
a sudden departure of Mr Finnigan?”


Is it totally a coincidence NO ITS NOT that South Australian MP and acting Police Minister Bernard Finnigan has resigned from Cabinet today? Premier Mike Rann announced this morning that he had accepted Mr Finnigan’s resignation from Cabinet and Executive Council.
</blockquote>Bernard Finnigan being sworn in, now busted with kiddie porn

PREMIER Mike Rann says he is shocked by reports of an MP
being charged with serious criminal offences involving alleged
possession of child pornography.


The MP at the centre of the allegations has been identified as a
Labor MP but a six-paragraph statement released by Mr Rann makes no
mention of the MP’s political affiliations.

“For legal reasons, no person, including me as Premier, is at liberty
to reveal the identity of the person, the subject of the allegations,
or to disclose any information through which others may infer the
identity of the person,” Mr Rann said.

“It would be against the law for me to comment on the allegations as the matter is now before the courts.

“I believe that any potential witnesses with any evidence or
information about these allegations must co-operate fully with police.”

Mr Rann said the Government would, of course, co-operate with the police in the investigation.

The MP was taken to the City Watchhouse on Wednesday night, charged with four child pornography offences and later released on police bail.

He will appear in Adelaide Magistrates Court on May 20.

Detectives said their investigation was continuing.

Under SA law he cannot be identified until his committal, unless he gives his consent.

He returned home earlier today but had not spoken to the waiting media outside.

Politicians from both sides say they are shocked by the allegations.

Police said the arrest was the result of the Sexual Crime
Investigation Branch’s ongoing “Operation Decimate”, which targets
people who use the internet for child exploitation-related offences.

The maximum penalty for possessing child pornography in South
Australia is five years in jail for a first offence. The maximum penalty
for an aggravated offence in seven years in jail.

Section 63 of the Criminal Law Consolidation Act 1935 says that an
aggravated offence includes an offender knowing that the victim was aged
under 14 at the time, or the offence being committed in the company of
one or more other people.

It is believed several laptops were seized from the MP’s suburban home.

Turmoil swept state political circles as details of the incident emerged.

There were reports that police visited the MP’s office at Parliament
House but this was denied by the presiding officers, who have to give
permission for police to enter the building.

Legislative Council President Bob Sneath said he had not been approached by police and Speaker Lyn Breuer said she had not been contacted by police.

Ms Breuer said she was “certainly concerned about the issue”.

Labor and Liberal MPs were in shock last night and few were prepared
to talk about the incident. Many were asking the media for details.

A spokeswoman for Opposition Leader Isobel Redmond said she could not comment.

It is understood the MP’s home was raided on Tuesday afternoon and police spent 24 hours analysing the contents of a computer.

Yesterday, they went to the MP’s office and seized another computer for analysis. Last night, police returned to the MP’s house.

One officer emerged from the house about 7.35pm and went to a police
car. He then carried what appeared to be a tape back into the house. At
7.55pm, two detectives wearing gloves searched a car parked in the
driveway.

They examined the boot and under the seats before returning to the
house. Police left the house at 8.10pm carrying several evidence bags
containing compact discs and a mobile phone and the house was shut and
left in darkness.

Why the MP charged with alleged child pornography offences cannot be named

THE name of the Labor MP charged with child pornography
offences will remain a state secret for months thanks to an 35-year-old
law.Absolute rubbish, should be one law for all…


It is further banned from naming any person charged with an offence, and must not identify anyone alleged to be a victim.

The act defines a sex crime as “any offence involving sexual
exploitation or abuse of a child, or exploitation of a child as an
object of prurient interest”.

The act says alleged offenders can only be named once they have
entered a plea – be it guilty or not guilty – to the charges, and have
been remanded for either sentence or trial.

The MP is due to appear in court again on May 20, when a magistrate will organise a schedule for the case.

Usually, prosecutors are given between four and six weeks to provide
declarations – summaries of the evidence to be used at trial – to
defence counsel.

Once those papers are handed over, alleged offenders are usually required to enter a plea to the charges within six weeks.

After the pleas have been entered, the alleged offender can be
publicly identified provided the court does not impose any additional
suppression orders.

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that were all connected to
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Madeline Sacrifice Symbolisim ... Well, I think he means MADELEINE McCann.
After all he is a MM .... What do you do in your spare time, tintin? ...

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Of course, as usual, despite/BECAUSE of all the 'australian's at DIF
in TODAY'S NEWS, there is NO NEWS of THE SPEAKER of THE HOUSE
SUDDENLY QUITTING...BUT 'They' HAVE REVIVED THIS OLD Topic:

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It's HYPNOSIS, that all!

'they' HYPNOTISE people into 'believing' they 'feel' 'better',
AND INTO BEING DEPENDENT ON PAYING FOR MORE of 'that' 'feeling'!

Just one more example of why the EVIL GREENIES can NOT be trusted...
you know, the same F'wits that FORCED MERCURY light bulbs on the world...
you know, That HEAVY METAL POISON that 'they' will now 'have to' 'eliminate'
from EVERY BODY that ever breaks a bulb...while HYPNOTISING 'their' VICTIMS
into 'needing' TO PAY MORE and MORE for, MORE and MORE of 'their' SABOTAGE...
that 'they' call, 'services'...

...and yet another mob I pissed off decades ago, by REFUSING TO JOIN 'them'...
...in SPREADING DEADLY POISON then CHARGING for the SNAKE OIL 'cure'...
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Seven deadly sins found under layers of whitewash in a Welsh church
From:NewsCore
November 24, 2011
3:35PM


A MURAL depicting the seven deadly sins - believed to date back to
the 15th Century - has been uncovered on the walls of a tiny village
church in south Wales.

The artwork was buried under 27 layers of whitewash,
which masked it for more than 460 years.


Now five of the sins -
greed, avarice, lust, sloth and pride -

have already been revealed,

while the remaining two -
wrath and envy - remain hidden,
WalesOnline reported Wednesday.


Experts believe the mural may have been
painted in
St. Cadoc's Church in Llancarfan -
a tiny village west of Barry -
in 1480 and
covered up about 70 years later.

The church walls also contain
the largest depiction of the legend of
St. George and the Dragon
in the UK, the report said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/seven-deadly-sins-found-under-layers-of-whitewash-in-a-welsh-church/story-e6frf7jx-1226204981109
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Interesting, still NO NEWS Posted in TODAY'S NEWS at DIF,
on this biggest political surprise to affect Australia, since
Kevin Rudd was replaced by Julia Gillard...
interesting because it was Kevin Rudd who helped
Slipper slip yet another political skin,
and ...
'Slipper betrayed us' - colleagues


9:08AM
Matt Johnston, Phillip Hudson
UPDATE 6.45pm:
COALITION workers accuse new speaker Peter Slipper
of "gross disloyalty", saying he's long planned to betray them.

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25 November 2011
Last updated at 21:08 GMT


Belgium credit rating downgraded by S&P

S&P says it considers Belgian government debt
to be at "high levels"


Belgium has had its credit rating downgraded by ratings agency Standard & Poor's.

The country's downgrade could make it more expensive for Belgium to borrow in future.

Belgium's rating was cut by one notch, to AA from AA+, with S&P expressing concerns about funding and market pressures.

The move comes as the eurozone crisis threatens to keep growing, and with continued concerns over Italian debt.

"We think the Belgian government's capacity to prevent an
increase in general government debt, which we consider to be already at
high levels, is being constrained by rapid private sector deleveraging
both in Belgium and among many of Belgium's key trading partners,"
S&P said in a statement.


It also said the outlook was "negative",
meaning Belgium's rating could possibly be cut further in future.


"We need a reply that is clear and credible
if we are to avoid the worst,"

Belgium's caretaker prime minister, Yves Leterme,
told
Belgian television after S&P's announcement.


Prince Philippe, Duke of Brabant,
Prince of Belgium

(French: Philippe Léopold Louis Marie,
Dutch: Filip(s) Leopold Lodewijk Maria;
born 15 April 1960),
is the eldest son and heir apparent of
Albert II, King of the Belgians and Queen Paola.


House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha


The Duke of Brabant
at World Economic Forum in 2010

His godparents were his paternal grandfather,
King Leopold III of the Belgians,
and his maternal grandmother
Donna Luisa, Princess Ruffo di Calabria.

Spouse
Countess Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz
daughter of a Walloon Belgian noble family
and female line descendant of Polish noble families

such as the Princes Sapieha,
on 4 December 1999 in Brussels,
civilly at the Brussels Town Hall and
religiously at the Cathedral of Saint Michel in Brussels.


They have four children:

Prince Philippe was educated at the Belgian Royal Military School.
From 1978 to 1981 he continued his education
at Oxford University's Trinity College.
He attended Graduate School at Stanford University, California,
where he graduated in 1985 with an MA degree in Political Science.

Greater Coat of Arms of Belgium


Personal Standard of King Albert II.
Albert II
King of the Belgians

King Albert II and Queen Paola with
US President George W. Bush and First Lady Laura Bush
at the Royal Palace in Brussels in 2005.


King Albert II with Queen Paola,
and other royals and Heads of state,
at the funeral of Pope John Paul II.


Yves Leterme
Prime Minister of Belgium

Incumbent
Assumed office
25 November 2009
Monarch: Albert II

Private life and hobbies
Yves Leterme is known to be very fond of goats.

He breeds goats in his private time
in the small farm where he lives.

In November 2010 the Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad
had
some more news about Yves' favorite animals:
two of his favorite goats, named Trudy and Vicky,
were to appear in a play by the local theatre society of Ypres.
The play is called 'Island of the goats'.
In an interview Yves called goats "The poor man's cow."


Ray:
Ken, I grew up in Dublin. I love Dublin.
If I grew up on a farm, and was retarded, Bruges might impress me
but I didn't, so it doesn't.


Ray:
Don't know any Belgium jokes,
and if I did I think I'd have the good
sense not to... hang on.

Is Belgium with all those child abuse murders
lately?
I do know a Belgium joke.

What's Belgium famous for?
Chocolates and child abuse,
and they only invented the chocolates
to get to the kids.




Harry:
Not only have you refused to kill the boy,
you even stopped the boy from
killing himself,
which would've solved my problem,
which would've
solved your problem,
which sounds like it would've solved the boy's problem.
Ken:
It wouldn't have solved his problem.
Harry:
Ken, if I had killed a little kid, accidentally or otherwise,
I wouldn't have thought twice.
I'd killed myself on the fucking spot.
On the fucking spot.
I would've stuck the gun in me mouth.
On the fucking spot!


Ray:
Maybe that's what hell is,
the entire rest of eternity spent in fucking Bruges.



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Opposition demands asylum-seeker vote
From:AAP
November 26, 2011
5:06PM

THE Federal Opposition has challenged the Government to recall
Parliament and attempt to pass amendments to the Migration Act.

The Government failed to get the planned amendments through
Parliament in October after the Opposition refused to support the
legislation.


The amendments, if passed, would allow the Government
to resurrect the Malaysia asylum-seeker people swap deal and restart
offshore processing.


But after Liberal MP Peter Slipper's appointment as Speaker on Thursday,
opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said the Government now
had the numbers to pass the amendments.


"On Thursday of this week the government had the numbers to pass
its Migration Act amendments through the House of Representatives,"
he told reporters in Sydney today.


"And after it completed its grubby deal for the speakership it could have brought
that matter to a vote ... and secured the passage of that bill.

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"The Government must recall Parliament for them to consider
the Migration Act amendment and vote on it on Monday."


However, the Greens oppose the Bill, so it could not pass the Senate
without the support of the Opposition.


Prime Minister Julia Gillard said last month the Government remained
committed to the Malaysian solution and the amendments to allow it
would remain on the parliamentary notice paper.


NATO air attack on Pakistan 'kills eight'
From:AFP
November 26, 2011
5:53PM


NATO helicopters from Afghanistan
carried out an "unprovoked" attack
on a Pakistani border post,
killing at least eight troops today,
the military said.


"ISAF/NATO helicopters carried out unprovoked and indiscriminate
firing on a Pakistani checkpost in Mohmand agency last night.
Casualties have been reported. However details are coming,"
a military spokesman said.


Security officials in the Mohmand tribal region near the Afghan border and
a military official in Peshawar said eight troops including a major were killed
in the pre-dawn incident.


They said the attack took place on the Sala checkpost in the Baizai district of
the rugged tribal terrain.

"The firing left seven soldiers and one major dead," a local intelligence official said.

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A paramilitary and another security official confirmed the casualties.

In Kabul a spokesman for the International Security Assistance Force
(ISAF) told AFP: "We are aware that an incident did take place. We are
still in the process of gathering information".


Washington considers the tribal belt a hotbed of Al-Qaeda, where Taliban and
other militants plot attacks on American troops -- including those in the US-led
international force based in Afghanistan.


Egypt protesters reject new PM
by:By Sarah Benhaida
From:AFP
November 26, 2011
4:10PM


TENS of thousands of demonstrators
have packed Cairo's Tahrir Square
after days of deadly clashes,
demanding the military rulers step down
and rejecting their choice of new Prime Minister.

Ahead of elections due to start on Monday despite the political turmoil,
Egypt's Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF) tasked Kamal al-Ganzuri, 78,
a premier under ousted president Hosni Mubarak, to head a new cabinet.


"Previous cabinets over the past 60 years were given many powers by the president
of the republic," Mr Ganzuri told reporters in his first public statement
after his appointment.


He had been granted "much more powers" than past premiers, said Mr Ganzuri,
who served as Mubarak's prime minister between 1996 and 1999.


In a later television address, Mr Ganzuri said he would formalise his government
"before the end of next week" and would allocate some portfolios to younger people.


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But protesters in the square quickly rejected his appointment,
saying he was not the man to lead a transition to democracy.

"We do not want someone who has been selected by the military council.
We want a civilian who was with us in Tahrir during the revolution,
someone who has the confidence of the people," said one protester,
Omar Abdel Mansur.


Hundreds of demonstrators in the square branched off to the nearby cabinet offices
to block Ganzuri from entering the building, chanting "revolution" and
"Ganzuri is a former regime leftover".


"The youth of Tahrir had proposed (several) names. None of them were chosen.
We have the feeling nothing has changed" since a popular uprising ousted Mubarak
in February, said Mohammed Khattab, 30.


"Our mistake in the (January-February) revolution was
to think that we had only to topple Mubarak."


The protesters proposed a list of presidential candidates to form a
civilian leadership council, including former UN nuclear watchdog chief
Mohamed ElBaradei, a prominent dissident during Mubarak's rule.


They were bolstered earlier by an announcement that the grand imam of
Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's highest authority, had thrown his weight behind them.


"The
grand imam (Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayyeb) backs you and is praying for your
victory," senior aide Hassan Shafie told them during a visit to the
square, focus of huge protests
first against Mubarak and now the army.


Sheikh Mazhar Shahin, an imam who led tens of thousands of worshippers in prayer
at the square, said the protesters would stay there until their demands were met.


He called for a national salvation government with presidential powers.


ElBaradei, whose name has been widely touted to be part of a new salvation
government, also joined the protesters in the square on Friday.


But the Tahrir protest was countered by a rival demonstration in a square
about 3km away, where more than 10,000 people gathered to show support
for the military.


"Down with Tahrir" and "Yes to the military council", they chanted.

"I joined the protests against the former regime," said one of the protesters,
Mohammed Abdelhamid. "But the people in Tahrir today don't represent all Egyptians."


The rallies came three days before the first parliamentary elections
since Mubarak's ouster in February, which left the military in charge.


The military announced on Friday that voting would take place over two days,
instead of one, in each of the election's three rounds.


Washington, a close ally of Egypt, called for a quick transfer to civilian rule.


"The United States strongly believes that the new Egyptian government must
be empowered with real authority immediately," White House press secretary
Jay Carney said in a statement.


UN leader Ban Ki-moon renewed calls for the military rulers to ensure
a "peaceful transition"after talks by telephone with Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi,
the head of Egypt's military council.


"The secretary-general remains deeply concerned by the violence in Egypt
over the last few days," Ban's spokesman Martin Nesirky said in New York.


"He deplores the loss of life and the high number of injured.

"He reiterates his call for the transitional authorities to guarantee the
protection of human rights and civil liberties for all Egyptians."


On Tuesday, the SCAF accepted the resignation of the caretaker cabinet
headed by the once-popular Essam Sharaf, whose fall from grace was due
to his perceived weakness in the face of the army.


The violence, in which at least 41 protesters have been killed - 36 of them in Cairo -
and more than 3000 injured since Saturday, was cited as one of the factors that led to
the cabinet's resignation.


The SCAF has said repeatedly that it does not have political ambitions and plans
to hand power to an elected civilian authority after presidential elections set
to take place no later than the end of June 2012.


But it has also insisted it will not bow to pressure from the protesters in
Tahrir, saying they do not represent the whole country.


Opposition concedes defeat in NZ election
From:AFP
November 26, 20119:19PM


OPPOSITION leader Phil Goff conceded defeat
in the New Zealand election Saturday
admitting his centre-left Labour Party
could not form a government.


Projections with vote counting nearly completed indicated Prime
Minister John Key's centre-right National Party has the numbers to form a
new government with support from minor parties ACT and United Future.


"I rang John Key and I wished him well for the next three years because we
are all New Zealanders and want to see our country do well," he told a gathering
of Labour Party supporters.


"The people have made their decision and we treat their decision
with humility and respect.


Mr Goff took over the leadership of the party after former Labour Prime
Minister Helen Clark was routed by Key at the last election in 2008
after nine years in power.


Ms Clark stood down immediately after the last election but Mr Goff said
that while he had made a decision on his political future he was not prepared
to make it public at this stage.


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Tourist killed, 3 kidnapped in Mali
by:By Baba Ahmed in Bamako
From:
AP
November 26, 2011
6:58AM

GUNMEN burst into a restaurant
in Mali's most famous city of Timbuktu overnight,
grabbed four tourists dining there and executed one
when he refused to climb into their truck,
said a witness and an official who inspected the body.

The armed men entered the Amanar restaurant around 2.30pm on Friday
local time and pointed their guns at four tourists dining inside, said
Moussa Boubacar, a client at the restaurant.

The four followed the gunmen outside, but when the gunmen tried to
make them enter a vehicle, one of the tourists refused, Boubacar said.

The kidnappers opened fire, killing him on the spot, Boubacar said.

Their nationalities could not immediately be confirmed, but witnesses describe them
as European.


Dramane Diallo, the regional director of Timbuktu's civil protection division,
said that he rushed to the scene and found the corpse of an elderly white man,
who locals said was the tourist that had refused to enter the car.

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Until a few years ago, Timbuktu was one of the most visited
destinations in Africa, but it is now one of the many former tourist
hotspots in Mali that have been deemed too dangerous to visit by foreign
embassies because of kidnappings by the local chapter of al-Qaeda.


The incident overnight comes after two French citizens were grabbed
in the middle of the night
from their hotel
in the Malian town of Hombori
on Thursday.


Neither kidnapping has yet been claimed by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,
or AQIM, whose members
have kidnapped and ransomed over 50 Europeans and
Canadians since 2003.


If Friday's kidnapping is by AQIM, it will mark the first time they have taken
a hostage inside of Timbuktu's city limits. Thursday's kidnapping would be
another first - the first time they have grabbed their victim south of the Niger River.

The group's footprint has grown dramatically since 2006, when the Algerian-led cell
first joined al-Qaeda. Security experts estimate the group has been able to raise around $US130 million ($134.04 million) from ransom payments alone.

The extent of the Mali Empire's peak

"One people, one goal, one faith"
An estimated 90% of Malians are Muslim
(mostly Sunni and Sufi),

approximately 5% are Christian
(about two-thirds Roman Catholic and one-third Protestant)
and the remaining 5% adhere to
indigenous or traditional animist beliefs.

Atheism and agnosticism are believed to be rare among Malians,
most of whom practice their religion on a daily basis.
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