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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  mugglez on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:15 am

eternalspirit, read this essay, it exposes you and Icke and the rest of your ilk..New Age Neo Nazis. thumbs up

http://soul-of-the-pillar.blogspot.com/2011/02/nazism-and-new-age.html

A Report On Nazism in the New Age Movement

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?12369-A-Report-On-Nazism-in-the-New-Age-Movement



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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  mugglez on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:26 am

Look at this report eternalspirit, macallisti of the sods posted it..........a total expose of your master............me thinks you are the sock puppet of a New age Neo Nazi Guru.David Icke............... thumbs up

THE ONE WORLD IDEOLOGY OF DAVID ICKE

http://theboogeyman.eu/content/docs/voorspel/The%20Enemy%20Within.pdf

................One might note that it is truism to say that Icke's recent books contain some significant contradictions - something Icke happily denies, showing his contempt for his audience, by assuring us that that there are no contradictions in his works as he is in reality merely accessing different dimensions (Matrix, page 423). As any discerning reader there are, scattered throughout Icke's books countless contradictions, and, of course, numerous factual errors. But it is the contradictions in his basic theory of New World Order plot that are of greater importance. And there is one in particular that stands out. But one that, for some unknown reason; possibly a consequence of Icke's doctrinal control, his insistence that he is breaking ground, or even because of covert support from the Anunnaki-Illuminati-Reptilians-Brotherhood: All-Seeing-Eye. Cult axis of evil (for simplicity's sake we will refer to it as the "AIRBASE cabal") lmao rolf he rails against; that has escaped serious comment from both his public critics and supporters.
The implications of this unresolved contradiction becomes clear if we start by examining one of the key theoretical underpinnings of Icke's four books, his notion of Problem-Reaction-Solution. The following explanation by Icke in Children of the Matrix (pages 7-Cool will suffice:........................................His conception is a slightly confused reinterpretation of the famed Hegelian Dialectic of thesis-antithesis-synthesis, referred to by most New World Order researchers, but it carries the same basic message that the most effective means of getting people to embrace your desired outcome, be it world government for example, is by creating a crisis of such a magnitude that it compels people to embrace the preferred policy. Icke defender Richard Finnegan points out an academic article (cf. Baumgarten & Jones, The Journal of Politics, November 1991) which lends credence to this tactic and if we put store in academia then we might do well say that Icke is right, but obviously not original, in pointing out this apparent strategy. After all, the Hegelian Dialectic features prominently in Spotlight, the now defunct magazine Icke acknowledges having read while in the US in the early 1990s escaping from ridicule in the UK.
Divide and Rule
But that aside, it is inevitable that Icke runs into deep trouble when trying to explain how the AIRBASE cabal has used P-R-S to achieve their goals. Consider first, Icke's description of the AIRBASE cabal's strategy of gradually uniting the world:
.....................................So Icke's belief (1) carries with it the implication that global unity is not natural and therefore the AIRBASE cabal is intent on undermining the present system of nation-states to cultivate support for that unnatural world unity. But belief (2) suggests that global unity is natural and the AIRBASE cabal is irrevocably opposed to "natural" world government by instigating warfare and other forms of competition. Or to put it another way: according to Icke's own explanations the basic belief-system of the AIRBASE cabal is the exact opposite of that required for true global unity, that is a collectivist mind-set; yet that same divided, individualistic cabal is supposedly behind the plot to establish a global fascist state.
Please, talk us through that one David.
So Icke has created a logical trap for himself, which naturally makes one wonder if Icke has really thought his ideas through that well, especially when we consider that Icke, after telling us that the AIRBASE cabal are responsible for introducing conflict and competition into the human psyche, as a means of furthering global unity by obviously discrediting nationalism and individualism, he then explicitly advocates global unity as the solution. Has Icke been caught in the AIRBASE cabal's PRS scheme? Or is Icke the author of his own?
............................Reading this serious proposal how then can we possibly respond, other than with profuse vomiting, to Icke's confident, yet utterly hypocritical condemnation, in the pages of …And The Truth Shall Set You Free, of a leaflet from Babaji Francesco, founder of the Associazione S.U.M? Read Icke's words and then reach for a bucket, and make it a big one:


eternalspirit, we all know you are not the brightest bulb in the pack.......do you comprehend this?

You and Icke use non credentialed, fraudulent sources to build your foundations....that is why you are so easily refuted, because the actual, credentialed scholars are availiable to anyone who is unbiased in their research............

Like this guy, a credentialed linguist, read about the sumerian texts here.......no Bullshit....................Icke listened to zachary sitchin and was led unwittingly down a wrong path. like you.


SITCHIN IS WRONG.COM

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

The Anunnaki

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/anunnaki/anunnaki.htm

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/ETCSL%20Anunnaki%20online%20search/ETCSL%20Anunnaki%20online%20search.html


Icke and you, and all his followers are BUSTED!!!!! We see you for the fearmongering, hatemongering fuktards that you are........you lie...you cheat..........you steal.................you have no honour................ thumbs up


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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  uckinfuglyfug on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:27 am

As for the silly claims of Icke being a Nazi and DIF being infested LOL, it don't add up - because many posters who took the Germans side adolf have been banned, very few pro Judaic/Zionist scuz ball - racist anti GermaNic posters have not, and have free spam fests of hate against Germans for 5 years (snoopoopalotofgass in particular) - if Icke and the mods were Nazis then this would not be allowed.

Also I've read enough of Icke's books to know he has nothing nice to say about Nazis. noway Therefore your myths are just that, myths..but we know what Zionist kosher liars are like. It's a Talmudic mandate to lie.

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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  mugglez on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:35 am

yes it does add up.........you are just too stooopid to read the evidence already posted in this Thread...all verified and substantiated....................He publiushes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, like you, and claims they are a true blueprint of a Zionist plot to enslave humanit........he publishes the lies about the Talmud, like you, and refuses to admit the truth....that he was deceived and he deceives...these are antisemitic activities.he lies about Israel, demonizing Israel using false history......that is antisemitic, he is a holocaust denier/revisionist............that is antisemitic.........his cover is blown............ thumbs up

The Truth about the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

http://theoriesofconspiracy.com/2011/07/the-truth-about-the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-zion-2.htm



Hitler relied on the Protocols in some of his earlier speeches and heavily in Mein Kampf. The Nazis published at least 23 editions between 1919 and 1939. After the Nazis took power in 1933, some schools used the book. The Nazis’ first anti-Semitic measure, a one-day boycott of Jewish stores in 1933, was described as a reaction to the “Plan of Basel”..........................The Palestinian Hamas movement uses them to justify attacks on Israeli civilians. School textbooks throughout the Islamic world treat them as fact. The Protocols are still circulated by the Christian Identity Movement, the Ku Klux Klan and other neo-Nazi groups. In the US, the book can be obtained from many Afrocentric bookstores.

........................British conspiracy theorist David Icke used the Protocols extensively. He said that whoever wrote them “knew the game plan” for the last century, but that it isn’t a Jewish conspiracy. He says the world is controlled by shape-shifting reptilians from Alpha Draconia, including among their number figures such as the Georges Bush, Queen Elizabeth II and Bob Hope.

Combat 18, a British neo-Nazi group, publicized a talk given by Icke in its magazine, Putsch
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http://www.icke-exposed.co.uk/conspiracy-theories/the-protocols-of-zion/

David Icke believes that theProtocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is an accurate transcription of the minutes of a meeting that took place between a clique of elite, Jewish power brokers hellbent on controlling the whole world over a hundred years ago. David Icke actually refers to The Protocols as The Protocols of The Illuminati, but he’s referring to the same book.
The infamous Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a fictional piece of anti-semitic propoganda. The Protocols were first published in Russia in 1903 in a newspaper called Znamya. The Protocols are an early example of early conspiracy theory literature detailing how an elite of Jewish leaders were secretly plotting to take over the world..........................



Wednesday, September 1, 2010

http://israelnjudaism.blogspot.com/2010/09/lies-about-talmud.html

Lies About the Talmud
Antisemites such as Van Hyning, Nesta Webster, Benjamin H. Freedman and Wesley Swift have claimed that the Talmud has been systematically hidden from non-Jews, and that it is the supreme authority of Jewish law, philosophy and ethics. In truth, it is available in most good public libraries and most Jews regard it as simply one branch of Jewish theology, of limited interest outside of rabbinical seminaries.

The Talmud consists of two parts: the Mishnah, and its commentary, the Gemara. The Mishnah, compiled and edited by Judah Hanasi about 200 C.E., was the first Jewish code of laws since the Torah. There are two Gemaras, known as the Babylonian and Jerusalem. The former, completed about 500 C.E., is the record of the discussions of the Jewish scholars which sat in "Palestine". The Mishnah plus the Babylonian Gemara is known as the Babylonian Talmud; the Jerusalem Mishnah plus the Jerusalem Gemara is known as the "Palestinian" Talmud. The two Talmuds have always been printed separately, and never together.

Van Hyning’s leaflet was widely reprinted, excerpted, added to and quoted from or referenced throughout the 1950s and 1960s by such publications as The Cross and the Flag, Common Sense, and Thunderbolt. In the early 1970s the Rev. Gerald L.K. Smith continued to distribute a free tract quoting most of these lies. Rarely quoted today, these fabrications continue to be the foundation of many claims that Judaism is anti-Christian.

The following is Van Hyning’s list. Both Pranaitøis and Freedman claim a longer list but the following list and refutations dispels the whole........................................

eternalspirit, there is no doubt amongst the sane and rational and educated that you and David Icke and a majority of his moderators and fan base are jew hating antisemits...why else would you lie about the Jews so much? Do you expect a Free Pass from the sane, rational, educated viewers?

It's not gonna happen.you're gonna get your punk, chickenshit ass whupped........the evidence is all here....read it asshole........everybody else is.......
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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  mugglez on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:52 am

uckinfuglyfug wrote: catfight catfight catfight .

Also I've read enough of Icke's books to know he has nothing nice to say about Nazis. noway Therefore your myths are just that, myths..but we know what Zionist kosher liars are like. It's a Talmudic mandate to lie.

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You Posted that lie in your Thread, I refuted it and now you repeat it here, displaying your sick mind and degenearte mentality for all the Cyberverse to witness...........well done ol' chap..... thumbs up

The Sick Mind & Degenerate Mentality of eternalspirit:

http://sodlikeproductions.motion-forum.net/t1186p45-the-sick-mind-degenerate-mentality-of-eternalspirit#27969

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=195831

Your Lie

It's a Talmudic mandate to lie

The Truth

These responses are Posted in the Posts above.......eternalspirit refuses to admit he lies..............that..is pathetic.....

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/van_hyning.html

eternalspirits lie

"To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly. (Libbre David 37)." Libbre David 37.



The Truth
This is a complete fabrication. No such book exists in the Talmud or in the entire Jewish literature

eternalspirits lie

"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim asks if our books contain anything against them. (Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17)."


The Truth

The Book of Jore Dia 17. No such statement appears, This is a complete fabrication.
Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17. There is no such book in the Talmud. These two words are part of the title of some 1500 books, but by themselves they mean only "responses."


eternalspirits lie

"All vows, oaths, promises, engagements, and swearing, which, beginning this very day of reconciliation, we intend to vow, promise, swear, and bind ourselves to fulfill, we repent of beforehand; let them be illegalized, acquitted, annihilated, abolished, valueless, unimportant. Our vows shall be no vows, and our oaths no oaths at all. (Schulchan Aruch, Edit. 1, 136)."



The Truth


Schulchan Aruch, Edit. 1, 136. This is not from the Talmud. This is actually a garbled version of the Kon Nidre prayer. The reference to "Edit. 1, 136" is completely meaningless. [The Kon Nidre prayer, from the 8th century CE, did not release anyone from a judicial oath or obligation between people. It was intended to release a Jew from a vow made to God, specifically those made under duress to accept another faith.]


eternalspirits lie

"At the time of the Cholhamoed the transaction of any kind of business is forbidden. But it is permitted to cheat a goy, because cheating of goyim at any time pleases the Lord. (Schulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 539)."


The Truth

Schulchan Aruch, Orach Chaim 539. This is a complete fabrication.

eternalspirits lie

"If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death. (Libbre David 37)."


The Truth

Libbre David 37. There is no such book, as previously noted.

Further evidence:

Should Moral Individuals Ever Lie? Insights from Jewish Law
by Hershey H. Friedman, Ph.D. and Abraham C. Weisel, Esq.


http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/hf_LyingPermissible.html


Indubitably, truth is important for the welfare of society. The famous dictum by Rabbi Shimon ben Gamliel (Babylonian Talmud, Avot 1:18) proclaims "the world endures on three things: justice, truth, and peace." It is difficult to imagine a society surviving for long if no one cares about honesty. Are there situations where one is permitted, or even obligated, to lie? This is a question that has been of great interest to theologians, philosophers, and religious leaders..............Conclusion

This paper demonstrates that Jewish law does not take an absolutist approach to prevaricating and, indeed, will obligate the individual to lie in various circumstances, for instance, lying to save a life or to bring peace. This, by no means, makes light of the seriousness of lying. The Talmud is replete with statements that stress the importance of truth-telling and remarks that "the seal of God is emeth [truth]" (Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 55a); "God hates one who speaks one thing with his mouth and another thing in his heart" (Babylonian Talmud, Pesachim 113b); "Whoever breaks his word is regarded as though he has worshipped idols" (Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 92a); and "liars will not receive the Divine Presence (Babylonian Talmud, Sotah 42a)." The extreme importance of honesty is appropriately summed up by the Talmudic belief that the first question a person is asked in the hereafter at the final judgment is (Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a): "Have you been honest in your dealings?" Despite all this, the Talmud recognizes that there are situations where one may be untruthful.


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Which is to say that if a lie may save a life from an atagonist/killer ...you may lie........thumbs up

get it?...............moron......

http://www.jlaw.com/

http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/

The Impact of Jewish Values
on Marketing and Business Practices


http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/impactjewish.html

eternalspirit, you remain an abject moron...............Yahshua/Jesus is a Zionist.........

Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/


As for Icke, I've presented the Historical, published record of that Douchebag.he is a New Age Neo Nazi..an antisemite....just like you...........bitch

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/lie.html

THE WISDOM OF THE TALMUD (Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser, 1951)

http://www.becomingjewish.org/public_domain/mishnah/the-wisdom-of-the-talmud.pdf

I know what the problem is with you New Age Neo Nazi morons....you don't want people to have a sophisticated and nuanced understanding of the bible...........simpletons like you and icke believe whatever bullshit somebody else believes as long as they are not Jewish/Rabbi.......

To understand the Bible, one has to go to the Hebrew and to the Rabbis..the Torah and the Talmud......by lying about the Talmud you turn people away from a very informative source of information..so not only are you a fearmongering, hatemongering moron, you are a moral coward............here's your history you scumbag piece of shit: thumbs up

The rise of modern anti-Semitism gave fresh impetus to the attacks against the Talmud. The father of the modern calumnies upon the Talmud was the German polemicist, John Andreas Eisenmenger (1654–1704). Eisenmenger offered to suppress his work, Entdecktes Judentum (Jewry Unmasked), for a consideration of 30,000 florins, but the Jews refused to be blackmailed into paying this sum. The book has been described as "a collection of scandals" by the Allgemeine Deutsche Bibliographie, an official encyclopaedia of German bibliography published by the German Imperial Academy of Science in 1876. "Some passages," the appraisal continues, "are misinterpreted; some distorted; others are insinuations based on one-sided inferences."2
The most spectacular campaign against the Talmud was led by August Rohling (1839–1931), a professor of Hebrew Antiquities at the University of Prague. His Der Talmudjude (The Talmud Jew) went through 17 editions, reaching a circulation of 200,000 copies in Austria alone. Rohling repeatedly prefaced his slanderous material with the offer of 1,000 Taler "if Judah
managed to get a verdict from the German Association of Orientalists that the quotations were fictitious and untrue." The challenge was taken up by Joseph S. Bloch, Rabbi at Florisdorf and later a member of the Austrian Parliament, who offered 3,000 Taler if Rohling could prove that he was able to read a single page of the Talmud chosen at random by Rohling himself. Accusing Rohling of ignorance and perjury, Bloch dared him to bring a libel suit. Because of his professional standing, Rohling could not evade the issue and finally charged Bloch with libel before a Vienna magistrate.
The court was anxious to make a thorough study of the subject and requested the Rector of the University of Vienna, Hofrat Zscholk, and the German Association of Orientalists, to appoint two experts. It conceded to Rohling's request that
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both these experts be "full-blooded" Christians. Professor Theodor Noeldeke of the University of Strassburg and Professor August Wuensche of Dresden, were selected. From time to time additional experts were called in. After two and a half years, the report was ready. The trial was to start November 18, 1885, but before the hearings began, Rohling, afraid of an open exposure, withdrew all his charges. The court sentenced him to pay the cost of the trial and, disgraced, he was retired from his university post. The entire story of this dramatic encounter is told by Rabbi Bloch in his Israel and the Nations.
Another such Talmud "authority" was Aaron Briman, alias Dr. Justus. He was born a Jew and had aspirations for a career as a Jewish scholar. But when he lost face with the Jewish community for deserting his wife and children, he became a Protestant. Subsequently, he became a Catholic and then a Protestant again, and finally tried to return to Judaism. Toward the end of his career he once again joined the Catholic Church. His principal work, published anonymously, was Der Judenspiegel (The Mirror of the Jew), a compilation of a hundred laws taken from the Shulhan Aruk and purporting to show the Jewish animosity toward Christians. In a book about the Cabbala, which Briman subsequently wrote under his true name, he said that the whole anti-Semitic literature, including the Judenspiegel (his own work!) had been written by stupid and ignorant men. In 1885 he was sentenced by a Vienna court to a long term in prison and expulsion from Austria for forgery of documents. Professor Franz Delitzsch, the famous Protestant theologian, pronounced the Judenspiegel "a concoction of damnable lies". Following his expulsion Briman took up medical studies in Paris. These same forgeries of Justus-Briman were later published by another adventurer, Jacob Ecker, who offered them as his own work under the title The Hundred Laws of the Jewish Catechism.
p. xv
Czarist Russia made its contribution to this gallery of literary swindlers in the person of the notorious Justin Pranaitis, a Catholic clergyman. His monograph, The Christian in the Jewish Talmud, was based on the works of Eisenmenger and Rohling. To create the impression of authenticity he cites many passages in the original Hebrew and Aramaic, but they are all lifted from Eisenmenger, errors and misprints included. By identifying as references to Christians and Christianity such epithets in the Talmud as am ha-aretz (literally, a peasant, but more generally, an illiterate person), akum (pagan or idol worshipper), apikoros (epicurean but applied to heretics generally) and kuthim (the Samaritans), he "proves" widespread prejudice on the part of the Talmud toward Christianity.
In spite of his office as a Catholic clergyman, Pranaitis became involved in the course of a checkered career in a series of financial scandals. A picture in a frame which he wanted gilded at the workshop of a certain Avanzo in Petersburg was accidentally damaged; whereupon he tried to extort 3,000 rubles from the owner of the shop on the alleged ground that the picture had been painted by the 17th century artist, Murillo, and that it was part of the collection of Cardinal Gintovt. Both allegations were later proved false. On another occasion he was charged by the board of a local Catholic welfare society in his home parish at Tashkent with misappropriating the sum of 1,500 rubles.
It was in 1912 during the trial of Beiliss on the ritual murder libel that Pranaitis drew world notoriety upon himself by offering his services as an expert for the prosecution. When confronted by the bulls of Popes Innocent IV and Clement XIV which denounced ritual murder charges against Jews as libels and slander and which called upon Christians to desist from the staging of ritual murder trials, Pranaitis denied the genuineness of the documents. Cardinal Merry del Val, the Papal Secretary of State, examined the originals at the Vatican and certified that they were genuine. Beiliss
p. xvi
was, of course, acquitted, but the prosecution remunerated the star "expert" with 500 rubles.
Pranaitis died on January 29, 1917. It took more than a month for the Czarist government to issue the permit for the removal of his body from Petersburg to Tashkent. Objections had to be overcome of local officials in Tashkent who were anxious to avoid a public demonstration at his funeral and urged an inconspicuous burial in Petersburg.3
Nazi Germany produced a flood of new material vilifying the Talmud. With the pretense of scholarly objectivity which characterized the technique of all Hitler's professors, they produced impressive volumes, but all serving the cause of their master's big lie. Walter Forstat, one of the Nazi "experts" on the Talmud, unblushingly admits in the introduction to his Die Grundlagen des Talmud (The Basic Principles of the Talmud, Breslau, 1935), that in writing his book he had
really forged a political weapon. "In issuing this work," he writes, "our purpose is purely political … As a political tract it is necessarily one-sided. It therefore deals with Talmudic law only where it may prove helpful in illuminating the attitude of Germany to Jewry."
These diatribes against Talmudic literature produced a reaction, and some of the noblest works in appreciation of the Talmud were written by non-Jews. Johann von Reuchlin and his circle of Christian Hebraists carried on a staunch campaign in the sixteenth century in defense of Hebrew books. The libels of August Rohling were answered by the famous Protestant theologian, Franz Delitzsch, in his work Was D. Aug. Rohling beschworen hat and beschwoeren will (What D. Aug. Rohling Has Sworn to and Is Prepared to Swear to, Leipzig, 1883). Among the more recent statements in vindication of the Talmud is the very lucid study by Rev. A. H. Dirksen, "The Talmud and Anti-Semitism", in the January 1939 issue of the Ecclesiastical Review, a publication of the Catholic University of America, and the pamphlet, A Fact About the Jews, written by the famous Catholic
p. xvii
scholar, Joseph N. Moody, and distributed by the Paulist Fathers. A more elaborate study of the Talmud was written by the Polish Catholic scholar, Thadeus Zaderecki. He began his researches in the Talmud under the inspiration of anti-Semitic libels, but what he learned made him into an admirer of this great literature. His work The Talmud in the Crucible of the Centuries is a brilliant appreciation of the moral values of Talmudic literature and a refutation of the libels against it, especially those of Rohling and Pranaitis.4
Talmudic literature went through a long and varied development. The earliest layer of the Talmud is the Mishnah, a product of Palestinian scholarship and written in a clear, lucid Hebrew. The later expository supplement, known as the Gemara, which elucidates the Mishnahic text, was developed during the third, fourth and fifth centuries, when the center of Jewish population was shifting from Palestine to Babylonia. Paralleling the Palestinian Gemara there also arose a Babylonian Gemara, produced by the newer academies of Babylonia. Both Gemaras were written in the Aramaic vernaculars then current in Babylonia and Palestine.
The Talmud has survived in both traditions, the Babylonian and the Palestinian. In their essential procedures and in their underlying doctrines the two Talmuds are similar. But there are some significant differences between them, reflecting in many instances the differing conditions under which the two communities carried on their work. Thus the Palestinians felt themselves in their own country and they regarded the Roman authorities as exercising their power without moral sanction. They therefore ruled the publicans who, as tax collectors, had collaborated with the enemy, as reprobates, and they refused to extend any credence to their testimony in a court of law. The Babylonians, on the other hand, demanded scrupulous adherence to the law of the land, and the tax collector was for them only a civil servant performing his duty, who was as honorable as any other man.



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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  sharky on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:49 am

what about these truths eternalspirit, they refute your sick and degenerate lies................

The Eternal Jew

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=191709

One of the biggest cover-ups in History is the massive misrepresentations/lies of and about the Jews. Their history, their beliefs, their culture etc.........

Over 300 years ago, King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great Christian philosopher, to give him proof of God. Pascal answered, “Why the Jews, your Majesty, the Jews!”
http://www.simpletoremember.com/arti...ewish-history/


Quote:
That the Jewish nation—such a tiny group of people—survived two thousand years of exile and persecution was nothing short of a supernatural phenomenon. Pascal wasn’t the only one who was so amazed by the survival of the Jewish people. Other thinkers, philosophers and historians have noticed something unusual about the Jews.

Mark Twain, an agnostic and self-acknowledged skeptic, penned this in 1899 in Harper’s Magazine:

“The Egyptian, Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away. The Greek and Roman followed, made a vast noise and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up, and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out and they sit in twilight now or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal, but the Jew. All other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?”....................4) Anti-Semitism
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The term “anti-Semitism” itself is very curious. Why not refer to the hatred and persecution of Jews by more generic terms like religious bigotry, xenophobia, or racism? The Jews are the only group in the world with a unique term for their persecution. Why? The world seems to realize that anti-Semitism isn’t simply one more unfortunate example of hatred in the world, but is instead a phenomenon specific to the Jews.

There are four different aspects to anti-Semitism which characterize it as being a hatred like no other:

1) Universality
2) Intensity
3) Longevity
4) Irrationality


Universality:
The universal scope of anti-Semitism can be seen in the fact that Jews have been expelled from virtually every country in which they have resided. Jews were expelled from England in 1290, France in 1306 and 1394, Hungary in 1349 and 1360, Austria in 1421, from various places in Germany throughout the 14th, 15th and 16th centuries, from Lithuania in 1445 and 1495, Spain in 1492, Portugal in 1497, and from Bohemia and Moravia in 1744-45. Between the 15th and 18th centuries, Jews were not permitted to enter Russia, and when they were finally admitted, they were restricted to one area, the Pale of Settlement.

Parallel to these atrocities in Europe were various levels of anti-Semitism at the hands of the Arabs. From Islam’s inception in the 7th century, the Jews living in Arab countries were constantly made to feel like second-class citizens. Violent outbreaks sporadically occurred throughout the following 1300 years and reached a climax during the years 1948 and 1967. During that period, almost all of the Jews living in Aden, Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Yemen, over 500,000 in all, were forced to flee, fearing for their lives, in the wake of pogroms, assaults and massacres.

Even as far away as Ethiopia, where a small community of Jews were cut off from the rest of the Jewish people for over 2000 years, we find evidence of persecution from the neighboring peoples. There has even been evidence of anti-Semitism in Japan—a country where virtually no Jews ever lived!
Jewish Persecution Timeline


Intensity:
The ultimate example is the Holocaust (acknowledged throughout the world as the ultimate manifestation of evil in all of history)—the only time an entire people (i.e., men, women and children) had a campaign of complete annihilation waged against them.


Longevity:
Most of the world’s great powers, even those with only a small percentage of Jews among them, regarded the Jews as a central enemy. This phenomenon began as early as the Greek persecutions of Jews during the Second Temple period. It continued with the late Roman Empire, the Arabs, and the Christian world for over 15 centuries (most notably with the frequent occurrence of blood libels all throughout the Middle Ages) and more recently with the Nazis and the Soviet Union, as well as the Arabs today.

FULL LIST OF EMPIRES AGAINST THE JEWS:
Egyptian Empire,
Chaldean Empire,
Babylonian Empire,
Greek Empire,
Roman Empire,
Byzantine Empire,
Spanish Empire,
Ottoman Turkish Empire,
British Empire,
Austro-Hungarian Empire,
German Empire,
French Empire,
Russia Empire,
Soviet Empire,
Nazi Empire

Irrationality:
We are the only people ever accused of “deicide” (killing a god)—this has been claimed as one of the major causes of anti-Semitism for almost 2000 years. Despite the fact that eating blood is as strong a prohibition as that against eating pork, Jews were constantly persecuted throughout the Middle Ages through blood libels, the charge that we drank the blood of non-Jewish children. We were attacked in pogroms for well-poisoning and once even for air-poisoning.

The Jews in Germany were accused of having brought Socialism and Communism to Germany, of being responsible for Germany losing World War I, and of causing the economic problems of the 1920’s. This paranoia existed in spite of the fact that the percentage of Jews in Germany at the time was only 0.8%. Many nations have even hurt themselves with their persecution of the Jews, most notably Spain (economically) and Germany (with science, culture, military, etc.).

A forgery purporting to be the conspiratorial discussions of Jewish elders plotting to take over the world, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” was, next to the Bible, the best-selling book in the world during the 1920’s. It has since been printed in numerous languages. Since 1987 it is being widely distributed in Japan…

Of all the extreme fanaticism that plays havoc in man’s nature, there is none as irrational as anti-Semitism. The Jews cannot vindicate themselves in the eyes of these fanatics. If the Jews are rich, they are victims of theft and extortion. If they are poor, they are victims of ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to gain advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it is because they are scared and anxious by nature or traitors to their country. If the Jew dwells in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to his own land, he is prevented from doing so. - Lloyd George, 1923


Whatever we do, that is precisely what is cited as the reason for the hatred against us. At the same time that Jews in America were accused of being communists, Jews in Russia were being labeled as capitalists. The more one studies anti-Semitism, the more obvious it becomes that the innumerable “explanations” offered throughout the various societies in which Jews have resided are not reasons at all (i.e. whose absence would necessarily result in no more persecutions), but rather excuses.

But as my research into Jewish history progressed, I was surprised, depressed, and to some extent overwhelmed by the perpetual and irrational violence which pursued the Jews in every country and to almost every corner of the globe. If, therefore, persecution, expulsion, torture, humiliation, and mass murder haunt these pages, it is because they also haunt the Jewish story.
- Martin Gilbert, “Jewish History Atlas” Oxford 1985

It has been prophesied in the Torah that Jews will be persecuted:

“Among those nations you shall find no respite, no rest for your foot. There God will make you cowardly, destroying your outlook and making life hopeless. You will live in constant suspense. Day and night, you will be terrified, never sure of your existence. In the morning you will say, ‘If only it were night,’ and in the evening you will say, ‘If only it were morning!’ Such will be the dread that your heart will feel and the sights that your eyes will see” (Deut. 28:65-67).

No other form of racial hatred comes close to anti-Semitism in its virulence, its intensity and its irrationality.

As Professor Michael Curtis of Rutgers University put it:

“The uniqueness of anti-Semitism lies in the fact that no other people in the world have ever been charged simultaneously with alienation from society and with cosmopolitanism, with being capitalistic exploiters and also revolutionary communist advocators. The Jews were accused of having an imperious mentality, at the same time they’re a people of the book. They’re accused of being militant aggressors, at the same time as being cowardly pacifists. With being a chosen people, and also having an inferior human nature. With both arrogance and timidity. With both extreme individualism and community adherence. With being guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus and at the same time held to account for the invention of Christianity.” (Colloquium on anti-Semitism, 1987)

If we look at the history of anti-Semitism, we see one unceasing chain of slaughter, pogroms, pillaging, expulsion, etc. There are horrendous levels of violence that lead up to the worst thing that can be done to a hated people: Genocide. Most nations in history have not been subjected to even one genocide. But in almost every generation there’s an attempted Jewish genocide somewhere in the world on a macrocosmic or microcosmic scale.
Jewish Persecution Timeline

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdCo...aspx?id=245708

the 7 Wonders of the Jewish World By NATAN SLIFKIN
11/15/2011 22:37

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdCo...aspx?id=245708


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A new list: The 7 Wonders of the Jewish World, with “world” not being a geographical location, but the full realm of Jewish experience.

Since ancient times, cultures have perceived significance in the number seven. In antiquity, a list was compiled of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. In the 19th century, lists were compiled of the Seven Wonders of the Middle Ages and the Seven Wonders of the Medieval Mind.

More recently, Mohandas Gandhi made a list of the Seven Blunders of the World, and just last week many Israel supporters were disappointed when the Dead Sea did not win enough votes to make the new list of the Seven Wonders of the Natural World. Meanwhile, the Israel Tourism Ministry is arranging a vote for the Seven Wonders of Israel.

But I would like to propose a different list: The Seven Wonders of the Jewish World, with “world” not being a geographical location, but rather the full realm of the Jewish experience.

1. Monotheism

There is an old ditty which goes, “How odd of God, to choose the Jews.” One of the many rejoinders is: “It’s not so odd; the Jews chose God.” Yet it is that very choosing of God which is odd and remarkable. As archeologist and Egyptologist Henri Frankfort wrote, “The dominant tenet of Hebrew thought is the absolute transcendence of God. God is not in nature. Neither earth nor sun nor heaven is divine; even the most potent natural phenomena are but reflections of God’s greatness... it needs an effort of the imagination to realize the shattering boldness of a contempt for imagery at the time, and in the particular historical setting, of the Hebrews.”

Aside from its role in shaping religion, monotheism also laid the foundation for the rise of science; as several historians of science have noted, the idea that disparate phenomena all follow fundamental “laws” flowed from monotheism. And the billions of adherents of Christianity and Islam are all adopting a monotheism initiated by the Jewish People.

2. The Land of Israel


The land of Israel, promised to Abraham, is small. It does not host the greatest waterfalls or the tallest mountains. But it is nevertheless remarkable within the natural world. Geographically, the land of Israel is at the junction of three continents: Europe, Asia and Africa. Within its tiny area, it houses an incredible diversity of landscapes: snowy slopes, tropical beaches, arid deserts and green forests. As a result of all this, the land of Israel is home to an astonishingly diverse range of flora and fauna. It is the southernmost range of many northern species, the westernmost range of eastern species, and the northernmost range of southern species. As the Midrash states, Israel is the center of the world.

3. Torah

Literally meaning “teaching,” the word Torah is often used in the narrow sense of referring to the Five Books of Moses. But in its broadest sense, it refers to the entire gamut of Jewish teachings. This marvelous body of literature chronicles a nation’s efforts over millennia to connect with the Divine, to improve the individual, to regulate society and to stretch the mind. Scripture, Talmud, midrash, philosophy, mysticism, law, ethics – it encompasses every intellectual taste and every aspect of our lives.

4. The calendar

The wonder of the Jewish calendar is not limited to the way in which it manages to synchronize three entirely unrelated natural phenomena: the rotation of the earth on its axis, the revolution of the moon around the earth, and the revolution of the earth around the sun.

The very contents of the Jewish calendar are so much richer than in the joke which describes it as consisting of two types of events: “They tried to kill us, we won, let’s eat,” and “They tried to kill us, we didn’t win, let’s not eat.”

We celebrate national salvation and religious freedom; we observe days of solemnity, repentance and introspection; and we mourn the loss of people and precious elements of our heritage. Most wonderful of all is the Sabbath, during which, miraculously, I am able to resist checking my e-mail for a full twenty-four hours.

5. Jewish survival

The Jewish People, never large in number, have been faced with hatred for over 3,000 years. We have been exiled from our home and forced into servitude and exile among hostile nations. We have suffered persecution in every one of the numerous countries in which we have lived. Nations faced with far fewer existential threats have disappeared, and yet we have survived.

Mark Twain famously asked, “The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then... passed away. The Greek and the Roman followed. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts... What is the secret of his immortality?”

And we made it back to our homeland after 2,000 years of exile, an event completely unparalleled in world history.

6.The State of Israel

Like every citizen of Israel, and especially like every oleh (immigrant), I could rant endlessly about the shortcomings of the State of Israel (though unlike the citizens of our neighboring countries, I could do so without fear of being thrown in prison). But this would be a smallminded perspective that does not take into account the incredible challenges that the state overcomes.

Despite having to absorb an enormous number of immigrants in a short span of time, and having to devote a ridiculously large amount of resources to national defense, Israel has managed to create a vibrant democracy, an oasis of prosperity, producing astonishing accomplishments in every field, all while successfully repelling repeated attempts at annihilation.

7.Global significance

Although numbering only 0.2% of the total world population today, and never having numbered much more than that, the Jewish People have always had an inexplicably large impact upon the world. The spread of monotheism is the most significant example, but we have also made disproportionate contributions in every sphere of knowledge and endeavor. Meanwhile, the United Nations is obsessed with Israel, condemning it more than every other country put together. If anything, we’re too significant for our own good.

Those are the Seven Wonders of the Jewish World as I see them, which I think are much more wonderful than the Seven Wonders of the ancient world.

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Post  sharky on Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:21 pm

you really are a very sad character eternalspirit...we have conclusively proven with your own words that you are a congenital liar [a congenital liar who couldn't speak the truth if his life depended on it] with a sick mind and degenerate mentality, your Posts amplify those facts.. thumbs up ..for sociological purposes we only seek to understand WHY you lie......WHY?.... wave















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barnacle bill wrote:you really are a very sad character eternalspirit...we have conclusively proven with your own words that you are a congenital liar [a congenital liar who couldn't speak the truth if his life depended on it] with a sick mind and degenerate mentality, your Posts amplify those facts.. thumbs up ..for sociological purposes we only seek to understand WHY you lie......WHY?.... wave




we are waiting you asshole...........WHY?

This doesn't end until you truthfully tell us why you LIE. thumbs up

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Post  sharky on Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:27 pm

uckinfuglyfug wrote: As for the silly claims of Icke being a Nazi and DIF being infested LOL, it don't add up - because many posters who took the Germans side adolf have been banned, very few pro Judaic/Zionist scuz ball - racist anti GermaNic posters have not, and have free spam fests of hate against Germans for 5 years (snoopoopalotofgass in particular) - if Icke and the mods were Nazis then this would not be allowed.

Also I've read enough of Icke's books to know he has nothing nice to say about Nazis. noway Therefore your myths are just that, myths..but we know what Zionist kosher liars are like. It's a Talmudic mandate to lie.
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Proof you are either a congenital liar or an abject moron, or what I believe to be the case: BOTH............... thumbs up rolf lmao

More Conspiracy Moonshine from Neo-Nazi David Icke and Alex Jones
Alex Jones' Infowars.com claims Obama uses 'mind control'
www.examiner.com
April 12, 2009


http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009/04/more-right-wing-conspiratorial-bs-from.html

If you have ever watched President Obama give a speech on television or in person, be advised: Infowars.com, the website of conspiracist talk show host Alex Jones, says you were probably hypnotized against your will.

According to an article on the website from writer David Icke entitled "Barack Obama: The Naked Emperor," Obama uses a technique called neuro-linguistic programming, or NLP, which Icke says is a "mass mind-control technique" to "implant beliefs and perceptions into the mind of the viewer."

NLP was created in the 1970s as a form of alternative therapy by Richard Bandler and linguist John Grinder, who claimed that it would help people overcome their phobias, depression and other psychological disorders, according to Wikipedia.

Icke claims in his Infowars article that he, Icke, studied military mind-control techniques in the 1990s (establishing his "expertise"), before stating that Obama's rhetorical and campaign tools are part of the "most blatant mass-mind control operation you could wish to see."

Icke points to an unsigned paper as evidence of this, which appears to come from an organization called the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons -- a very offical sounding group with obvious connotations of clinical legitimacy.

But this is an extremely deceptive claim, coming from a group that is not recognized by mainstream physicians and has made thoroughly debunked claims about immigrants spreading leprosy and asserts false connections between breast cancer and oral contraceptives. AAPS is also a contributor to right-leaning causes, according to the Center for Media and Democracy's SourceWatch.

Furthermore, according to Wikipedia, NLP is a "pseudoscience" that is not supported by scientific evidence. Its founders additionally made "such extreme and changeable claims that researchers began to question the wisdom of researching the area further."

Despite these facts, which point to NLP as a quack science and not a scientifically accepted technique, Icke insists that Obama has used NLP to further his agenda in the most devious way -- by brainwashing Americans.

After briefly explaining NLP, Icke goes on: "All of which brings me to the parallels with Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and similar regimes throughout history."

That is the leap of logic of a conspiracist. Obama must be like Hitler because he is using (phony) mind control techniques, like Hitler did.

You see, Icke's article is actually not based on scientific fact, as he claims, nor is his "expertise" as one who studied miltary brainwashing techniques and worked in broadcast media relevant at all. It is presented this way so as to make him seem like an authority, to give weight to his fact-free argument.

The point of the article is to instill fear of Obama as somehow comparable to Hitler and the worst dictators of modern history, those who were known to use mass propaganda towards evil ends.

This kind of "factual" assertion -- backed up by official-seeming documents from official-sounding groups -- is cited by defenders of Jones as proof of his legitimacy. That lends credence to Jones' assertions that Obama is seeking to enslave Americans to usher in a New World Order.

But these are fake facts dressed up to look like real ones. It is a technique used by a true deceiver to cover their tracks.

Finally, Infowars.com runs an advertisement on the page with the DLP article for a product called Alpha Mind Control, which the ad claims allows those who get the product to "use the elite's mind control tricks to your advantage."

Watch out what kinds of crackpot products you buy online.

David Icke And The Politics Of Madness
Where The New Age Meets The Third Reich


http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/IckeBackgrounder.htm

On the face of it, few people would credit a retired soccer player who rants about a world takeover by blood-drinking lizards from outer space as being much of a threat to democracy. And as a general rule, they would probably be right. .......At first this evolution seemed relatively harmless. Icke began to flirt seriously with New Age theories, and then began to act on them. He dressed in turquoise, and began to call himself the "son of godhead". But by the time his book "The Robot's Rebellion" was printed in 1994, his trajectory had begun to take quite a different course. In 1996, the British magazine "Left Green Perspectives" wrote that this book "indicated a convergence of New Age thinking with Nazi philosophy. Casting aside his pat concerns about the environment, Icke enthusiastically embraced the classic Nazi conspiracy theory, alleging that the world is controlled by a secret cadre of "The Elite." He openly endorsed The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the Tsarist anti-Semitic forgery that informed Hitler's notion of a global Jewish conspiracy."

The following year Icke brought out another book, "...and the truth shall set you free." This one, however, was self-published, as its content was so objectionable that his publisher refused to have it printed. And small wonder. The book repeated Icke's previous claims that the Protocols were true, and went on to state: "I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War....They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."2

In this book, Icke went even further. He began to flirt explicitly with Holocaust denial, saying "why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history."3 He also denounced the Nuremberg Trials as "a farce" and "a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation."4

Icke's politics today are a mishmash of most of the dominant themes of contemporary neofascism, mixed in with a smattering of topics culled from the U.S. militia movement. He has written diatribes on the Illuminati, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission as examples of secret plots to take over the world. He opposes gun control as a plot by this Elite, which has deliberately orchestrated numerous mass shootings to whip up opposition to guns.5 He has repeatedly posted anti-abortion literature and articles on his web site.6 He rails against conspiracies to implant microchips in everyone's bodies, coded with the Satanic number "666".7 He even accuses the U.S. government of carrying out the Oklahoma City bombing and murdering 168 men, women and children.8

For a decade Icke has exhibited signs of serious mental instability. In his web site autobiography he reveals that as early as 1990 he became aware of "a presence around me, like there was always someone in the room when there was not. It got to the point where I sat on the side of the bed in a hotel room in London in early 1990 and said to whoever or whatever: "If you are there will you please contact me because you are driving me up the wall." A year later, on holiday in Peru, Icke describes hearing voices: "as I looked at the mound, a voice in my head began to say: "Come to me, come to me, come to me.... Suddenly I felt my feet pulled to the ground again like a magnet, the same as in the newspaper shop, but this time far more powerful. My arms then shot above my head, with no decision by me for them to do so.... A flow of powerful energy began to go into the top of my head like a drill, and I could feel the flow going the other way up from the ground through my feet. It was then I heard the third voice in my head, something that has never happened since. It said very clearly: "It will be over when you feel the rain".9

Over the last year Icke's writings have become so paranoid and so extreme that many are probably inclined to dismiss him as posing any sort of threat, or requiring a response. Icke is now arguing in all seriousness that the Illuminati plot to take over the world is actually being carried out by a race of extraterrestrial reptiles in human form. They are described, literally, as being child-sacrificing, blood-drinking Satan-worshippers capable of changing their shape, whose ranks include George Bush, Bill and Hilary Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mum, Bob Hope and Kris Kristofferson, among others.10

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Icke's Audience that's you asshole...... thumbs up . rolf . lmao

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-icke-is-neo-nazi-part-two.html


" ... The demographic breakdown of his audience is, in and of itself, an interesting phenomenon. Icke appeals equally to bohemian hipsters and right-wing reactionary fanatics. As regards the latter, in England the British Nazi Group Combat 18 supports his writings, and in America the ultra right-wing conservative group Christian Patriots often attends his lectures (Taylor; Crumey). But they are just as likely to be sitting next to a 60-something UFO buff, a Nuwaubian, a Posadist, a Raelian, or New Age earth goddess. ... "

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_7051/is_1_16/ai_n28280155/

Holocaust denier Alex Beck, who claims below, after Hitler, that Jewish people control world communism, defends Icke and claims that Jews constitute the "Iluminati." " ... Holocaust investigators are labeled holocaust deniers ... How does a man like Hitler revitalize a worthless economy with money not worth the paper it is printed on into a first rate nation in less than a decade. He got mad loans. But the Jews wouldn't cause the death of other Jews? Your not realizing that nobody in Zion or the Priory died in the holocaust, and all their gold and precious stuff was returned at the end. Usually only circumcised Jews died and the Jewlluminati and Illuminati are rarely ever circumcised. The Jewlluminati cornered the entire European residential/industrial/commercial market. Now anybody that is a Jewlluminati conspiracy theorist is equated with Hitler, even people who are investigating the holocaust. Also the war enabled the communist revolution that was originally under the control of the Jewlluminati. When the Soviet Union got the H-bomb they planted it in critical regions of the Free World and subsequently rebelled, joining the Rebel Alliance. ... "

http://www.freeworldalliance.biz/JewlluminatiHistory.html
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"HITLER A JEW?" - © Copyright 1999 by David Icke
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Subject: XPOST:David Icke and Conspiracy theories
To: Multiple recipients of list H-ANTIS

" ... But what worries the Jewish community most is that Icke's veiled anti-Semitic references are now attracting the attention of more sinister British forces, in particular Combat 18, the neo-Nazi group which recruits among football's violent hooligan fringe.

"The Jewish Chronicle has reported how Combat 18 has taken to publicizing Icke's current tour in its internal journal, Putsch. Citing Icke's recent lecture in Glastonbury, Putsch claimed that Icke spoke of 'the sheep' and how the Zionist-operated government, sorry 'illuminati', uses them for its own ends. ... "

http://www2.ca.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/british/combat-18/press/evening-standard.052695
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More Holocaust Denial

" ... He began to flirt explicitly with Holocaust denial, saying 'why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history.' He also denounced the Nuremberg Trials as 'a farce' and 'a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation.' ... "

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/01/a_warning_about.html

" ... This flirtation with revisionism can still be seen today, with Icke’s support for the Canadian Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel. Icke’s support centres around Zundel’s freedom of expression. One would imagine however that a more worthy symbol could be found than a pro-Nazi propagandist who has appeared at a trial in a concentration camp uniform and who has disseminated stickers such as 'Holocaust teaching is Child Abuse'. ... Like David Irving and Holocaust revisionism, Icke has seen a change in how the public perceive him. Much more high–profile than Irving, he has been openly ridiculed by many. Also, like Irving, Icke has entered into the murky world of Holocaust denial. Both self-taught, they have become embroiled in a need for continuing revealment of cover-ups to sell more books, organise tours and finance their cause. ... "

http://aconstantineblacklist.blogspot.com/2009/04/david-icke-is-neo-nazi-part-three-my.html

Part 3: Icke, the Turd in the punchbowl..... thumbs up rolf lmao cheese




.......I've attempted to read the capricious, wrong-headed "research" of David "Jesus" Icke, and found it an amateurish omelot of used conspiracy theories concocted by the John Birch Society and other far-right groups to discredit legitimate research on fascism, which is inherently conspiratorial. Most people, dumbed down by "mainstream" media, can't tell the difference, and Icke takes advantage of that fact to peddle stupid, far-right conspiracy theories and "alien" invasions.................One of Icke's main sources is a notorious document called the `Protocols of the Elders of Zion', which he renames `the Illuminati Protocols'. It states that Jews are trying to take over the world, and was used by the Nazis to justify the genocide of 6 million people. The Waffen SS used to carry copies in their knapsacks.

By using this document Icke denies the word of those historians who have demonstrated, beyond doubt, that the Protocols are a forgery. He also gives credence to those groups who still use the Protocols to justify their anti-Semitism. [end quote]

David Icke did extensive damage to the credibility of the Greens with his anti-Semitic writings and claims to be a son of god. His ongoing attempts to gain credibility for himself from his prior association with our party makes the damage all the more egregious and ongoing................................The author goes on to postulate a race of reptilians that has controlled human society from its very beginning. These beings, which Icke calls by the Sumerian[3] word "Anunnaki," infiltrate human society through interbreeding with humans and placing their crossbred offspring into roles of power in human society. The evidence he offers to support this claim, as the late conspiracy expert Bill Keith has pointed out, is hardly of academic quality. The evidence ranges from crackpot etymology (vampires are reptilians because "Dracula" sounds like "Draco" and so on) to references to books that have been repeatedly debunked by scientific experts. Keith characterizes Icke's scholarly methodology as "Believe every goddamn weird thing anybody, anywhere ever said."

The poor quality of Icke's scholarship should be obvious to any reader with a middle-school education, and yet his work resonates with many people.




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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  sharky on Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:43 pm

yeah, davey is found in all the right company.....so are you eternalfuktard..... thumbs up rolf lmao

http://davidgrobertson.wordpress.com/tag/david-icke/


Black Sun is the successor to Goodrick-Clarke’s now-classic The Occult Roots of Nazism (1985), which charted the influence of the Volkisch movement and anti-Semitic esoteric groups in the development of Nazi ideology between the world wars. The present volume charts the same currents after the war, particularly among neo-Nazi groups in the US and Europe.

The opening chapters present potted histories of the neo-Nazi scene in the US and the UK, which helpfully set the scene, and outlining the general context of what is to follow. The book then jumps back into some pre-war influences on later neo-Nazism, and these chapters contained the bulk of the most interesting material. These included Italian Futurist and Traditionalist philosopher Julius Ebola, Savitri Devi, who combined Vedic philosophy with a fervent nazism in interpreting Hitler as an avatar of Vishnu and herald of the Kali Yuga, and Chilean diplomat and poet Miguel Serrano, for whom the Aryans were the bearers of light in a Gnostic struggle against the Semitic demiurge. This section also contains detailed accounts of the development of such “occult nazism” narratives as SS missions in Tibet, Nazi contact with extraterrestrials, Vril-powered UFOs and Antarctic U-boat bases concealing entrances to Agartha.

The following chapters detail the emergence of contemporary neo-Nazism among black metal bands and Christian, Pagan and Satanist groups. The final chapter was of particular interest to me, concerning as it did the spread of right-wing and anti-Semitic ideas among conspiracist circles. The chapter focuses on David Icke and Nexus magazine, two regular subjects of my work. He is of particular interest to me in outlining the links between these ostensibly left-wing New Age conspiracists and anti-Semitic right-wing groups. Also of interest is the claim that Icke is not himself anti-Semitic, but is being naively used by anti-Semites as a disseminator for their ideas in a left-wing milieu (292).

Like the preceding book, Black Sun is a masterful piece of historical writing – detailed and thorough without ever being dull, and impartial without glossing over unpleasant facts, nor dwelling unnecessarily on the sensational. That having been said, more detailed analysis of the meaning of these beliefs, and a discussion of how esoteric Nazism and neo-Nazism relate to the contemporary world more broadly, would have been welcome, given the book’s subtitle, …and the Politics of Identity. As it is, this material is confined to a four-page conclusion.

Nazism (in all its forms) and esotericism both have serious things to tell us about the broader currents of culture, and particularly so in the nexus between them. I completely concur with Goodrick-Clarke that they are subjects which we marginalise at our peril. Goodrick-Clarke closes with a warning that the far right has gained new vigour since the mid 1980s, due to immigration policy, a situation which he compares to the situation in Germany which gave rise to the Volkisch movement. This situation can only be exacerbated by the recent financial crash and resultant unemployment. With the recent events in Norway, this warning is timely indeed.

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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  Joe Hill on Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:19 am

uckinfuglyfug wrote:[size=24]As for the silly claims of Icke being a Nazi and DIF being infested LOL, it don't add up

Two seperate issues.

Personally I take Jon Ronson's view: David Icke does not mean jews. He means lizards/extra dimensional entities.

DIF is not wall to wall nazis either. But there is a strong contingent and they would love to hijack the David Icke readership/audience.

And they have sympathy with some mods, but not all of them.



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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  true lilly on Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:18 am

Umm so, la/bong/bill, why aren't you at DIF
kicking the devil out of "tintin/cori/yass/et al"?

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3347

FFS, they even got their rocks off on the death of a tree,
because Anne Frank looked it!


And I can assure you that "tintin" SPEWS THE SAME BITTER VENOM at 'Jews',
AS HE DOES ALL PAST AND PRESENT AUSTRALIAN SERVICEMEN, AND ALL
AUSTRALIANS GRATEFUL FOR THEIR PERSONAL SACRIFICES...oh, THAT'S WHY!

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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  sharky on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:42 am

true lilly wrote:Umm so, la/bong/bill, why aren't you at DIF
kicking the devil out of "tintin/cori/yass/et al"?

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3347

FFS, they even got their rocks off on the death of a tree,
because Anne Frank looked it!


And I can assure you that "tintin" SPEWS THE SAME BITTER VENOM at 'Jews',
AS HE DOES ALL PAST AND PRESENT AUSTRALIAN SERVICEMEN, AND ALL
AUSTRALIANS GRATEFUL FOR THEIR PERSONAL SACRIFICES...oh, THAT'S WHY!

been there, done that..........you should know....................snoops/petuniagate.......... thumbs up lmao rolf

You're exactly the same as David Icke, eternalspirit, tintin, you're just a rejected lover and now you're jealous.you are a New Age Neo Pagan Neo Nazi..

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
By Psych Central Staff


http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx36.htm

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), an overwhelming need for admiration, and usually a complete lack of empathy toward others. People with this disorder often believe they are of primary importance in everybody's life or to anyone they meet. While this pattern of behavior may be appropriate for a king in 16th Century England, it is generally considered inappropriate for most ordinary people today.

People with narcissistic personality disorder often display snobbish, disdainful, or patronizing attitudes. For example, an individual with this disorder may complain about a clumsy waiter's "rudeness" or "stupidity" or conclude a medical evaluation with a condescending evaluation of the physician.

In laypeople terms, someone with this disorder may be described simply as a "narcissist" or as someone with "narcissism." Both of these terms generally refer to someone with narcissistic personality disorder.

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

•Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
•Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
•Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

•Requires excessive admiration
•Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

•Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
•Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
•Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
•Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  Ciggy on Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:13 pm

Shitmullet will pander to anyone for a few quid, and antisemites have the few quid to spend so he's off to the race with'em. He carefully crafts words that can be interpreted as antisemitic by antisemites (so as to take in their lolly for books), and yet plausibly be able to deny it to Jewish defense groups. He has no real position in which he truly believes other than that of cash-flow for himself. He has no real antisemitic ideology, nor does he genuinely feel antisemitism is wrong. He, in his heart of hearts, believes anything that puts quids into his wallet is the right thing, and anything that doesn't is the wrong thing, at any moment in time. That makes him, "multi-dimensional" lol.

And along with his antisemitic pandering, he panders to new age fucktards along the way with all the "light worker" bullshit, and that ties back to the antisemites by way of Helena Blavatsky and the same mystical bullshit that fueled the Thule Society, the spark of nazism itself. That too is a form of pandering he'll continue to do so long as it's profitable.

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Post  Ciggy on Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:18 pm

Here the interest of Judaism merges with that of the real truth movement (one of two major areas where they do):

Shitmullet's revenue flow needs to be cut off so that he will no longer have a profit incentive to stoke the fires of jew-hatred.

The other area is the fact that jews point to the Holocaust and say "NEVER AGAIN", and for truthers that's obviously the correct attitude to have. Naomi Wolf as a Jewess has done immensely more for the real truth movement in a positive way, than Icke can possibly aspire to.

The only even ephemerally-"jewish" area that is somewhat at odds with the (real) truth movement will be a handful of individual Jews (whose judaism itself is questionable) who participate, along with a large contingent of goyim, in international investment banking. But that's just because they're schmucks, not because they're jews.

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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  sharky on Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:55 pm



Icketards days are numbered, more and more people 'see through' him...............and the rest of your analysis is spot on.......Truth withstands pressure. lies do not.............personally; I find his 'books' impossible to read, .

thumbs up

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I don't have to step on cockroaches, I merely shine a light on them and watch them scurry...inna hurry........ lmao rolf

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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  MoMo on Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:02 am

Ciggy wrote:Shitmullet will pander to anyone for a few quid, and antisemites have the few quid to spend so he's off to the race with'em. He carefully crafts words that can be interpreted as antisemitic by antisemites (so as to take in their lolly for books), and yet plausibly be able to deny it to Jewish defense groups. He has no real position in which he truly believes other than that of cash-flow for himself. He has no real antisemitic ideology, nor does he genuinely feel antisemitism is wrong. He, in his heart of hearts, believes anything that puts quids into his wallet is the right thing, and anything that doesn't is the wrong thing, at any moment in time. That makes him, "multi-dimensional" lol.

And along with his antisemitic pandering, he panders to new age fucktards along the way with all the "light worker" bullshit, and that ties back to the antisemites by way of Helena Blavatsky and the same mystical bullshit that fueled the Thule Society, the spark of nazism itself. That too is a form of pandering he'll continue to do so long as it's profitable.

Fundamentally you are correct on many points, however, perhaps in ignorance, perhaps deliberately, New Age Neo Nazi Guru David Icke has published some of the most notorious Anti-Semitic polemics.

#1: Lies about The Protocolz of the Elderz of Zion, purporting to a belief that there is a conspiracy of JEWISH people conspiring to manipulate and enslave humanity.......

#2: Lies about the Talmud and publishes false quotes or quotes out of context.....

#3: Lies about Zion/Zionism publishes false histories about the formation of Israel, misdefines Zionism.

#4: Lies about Israel. demonizes Israel, applies double/triple standards........


By legally recognized standards of what constitutes 'Anti-Semitism', New age Neo Nazi Guru David Icke hits all the markers..... thumbs up

widespread misinformation poisons a culture.....think Germany circa 1920s-1930s------------Nazism was Militant New age Neo Paganism............New Age Neo Nazi guru David Icke represents Agressive/Hyper Aggressive New Age Neo Paganism........he is only one small step from Militancy......look at his last 'book' "Human Race--get off your kness!!" .................what's his next step? Convert to his New Age Neo Paganism or die? Kallisti posted a great expose article, the Green Globalist.


I am all for people finding economic prosperity but not at the falsely exploited expense of others, and not by being dishonest and exploitative..............New Age Neo Nazi Guru David Icke has demonstrated to me he is a predator, not a Shepherd....

New Age Neo Nazi Guru David Icke has taught and published the following:
Protocols of the Elders of Zion
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007058

If ever a piece of writing could produce mass hatred, it is this one. . . . This book is about lies and slander."
Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peace Prize Laureate

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is the most notorious and widely distributed antisemitic publication of modern times. Its lies about Jews, which have been repeatedly discredited, continue to circulate today, especially on the Internet. The individuals and groups who have used the Protocols are all linked by a common purpose: to spread hatred of Jews...............



Lies and False quotes purported to be from the Talmud citing non credentialed witnesses such as 'archaya s' (Di Di Murdoch) and Jeff 'Poodlehead' Rense.

Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/

Talmud: Statement of Purpose
There are many lies circulating the internet about the Jewish Talmud. These allegations are supported by "direct quotations" from the Talmud that are frequently wrong or taken out of context. However, most people lack the scholarly background to verify these claims. Most people have no way of knowing that these accusation are false and malicious. What we are attempting is to demonstrate in detail how these accusations are both wrong and intentionally misleading. We are trying to show to the world the real truth about the Talmud.


Lies and Misinformation about Zionism

The Language of Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism

http://zionism-israel.com/linguistics_of_antizionism.html

The vile accusations that "Zionism is Racism" and "Zionism is Nazism" have risen out of the sewers of anti-Semitic rhetoric.
Discourses are formulated on the basis of ideological views. The idea that speech is transparent is a belief rather than a scientific fact.


When analyzing Judeophobia, one finds an archive of words to be used against the Jew, which aims to criminalize all forms of Jewish identity.


Soviet propaganda began using the term "anti-Zionism" systematically after the Six Day War. Before then, it was employed, at most, sporadically.


From the point of view of language, anti-Zionism has become an ideology. A number of key equations dominate its discourse. The master one is "Zionism equals Nazism."

... by using the equation 'Zionism is fascism' the anti-Zionist has become a successor of Hitler's tradition. His slogan says Zionism and Israel are the movers of the absolute evil. It recycles what the Nazis said about the Jews. Racism dehumanizes a certain segment of humanity in order to justify its expulsion before its destruction. The latter is then covered up as a goal of public health."



The False Belief that Language is Neutral
"Most people think that language, and in particular speech, is transparent and that it serves to transmit information. This is a belief rather than a scientific fact. People have ideological views on the basis of which they formulate a discourse. Language has a history, which has led to the words used being charged ones. Rather than words being neutral, they serve to introduce a certain vision of the question one addresses.

"This is particularly clear in the case of anti-Semitism and its manifestations, including anti-Zionism. When analyzing the various phenomena of Judeophobia, one discovers an archive of words used against the Jew. These words aim to criminalize all forms of Jewish identity: spiritually as religious anti-Judaism; culturally as anti-Semitism, and socio-politically as anti-Zionism."

Georges-Elia Sarfati, a professor of linguistics in France, has researched this relationship between opinion and discourse. He demonstrates how loaded language is by examining the expression "anti-Zionism" as an example. In his book The Captive Nation,1 about the Jews in the Soviet Union, he devotes many pages to the analysis of how anti-Zionism emerges as an ideology.

Lies, misinformation and demonization of Israel

http://www.zionism-israel.com/
Middle East Commentary
http://www.mideastweb.org/


Jew Hate!

Jews, Jewish Religion, anti-Semitism, the Talmud and Zionism
Sense and Nonsense about Jews and Jewish Belief
The Jewish Religion and Jewish Law Books:


Judeophobia - Anti-Semitism, Jew-Hate and anti-"Zionism"
http://www.mideastweb.org/jewreligion.htm
http://www.zionism-israel.com/his/judeophobia.htm

Chapter 14: Contemporary Anti-Zionism
http://www.zionism-israel.com/his/judeophobia12.htm

Anti-Zionism and Holocaust Denial are the two main new expressions of contemporary Judeophobia. We study them together because they both represent an attempt to twist history through hate. ............


Holocaust Denial

http://www.zionism-israel.com/his/judeophobia13.htm

During the Holocaust itself, the aim of Holocaust Denial was to stress the Jews’ unawareness in order to murder them without resistance. Al least two Nazi ringleaders, Martin Bormann and Heinrich Himmler, forbade public talk about the “Final Solution.” After the war, Holocaust Denial was first proposed in 1948 by French Trotskyites and anarchists led by Paul Rassinier, whose 1964-book “Debunking the Holocaust Myth” claimed evidence of the genocide was “Stalinist propaganda.”

In 1979 Holocaust Denial became an organized propaganda movement when the “Revisionist Convention” founded the prolific “Institute for Historic Review” in Torrance, California. Since 1980 it publishes a tri-monthly “Journal of Historic Review,” which was sent for free to the 12,000 members of the Organization of American Historians, and holds annual conventions.

Willis Carto, founder of the “Liberty Lobby” (the largest Judeophobic propaganda organization in the US) incorporated the IHR and made out of it a pseudo-academic enterprise convening professors with no credentials in history (Rassinier had them in geography, Butz in electrical engineer, Faurisson in literature, etc.). Thus they developed new outlets for their Judeophobia. The IHR publishes its Journal of Historic Review. From 1991 Bradley Smith places advertisements in college newspapers for the CODOH (Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust). They even recruited a David Cole who claims Jewish parentage, and the British military commentator David Irving whose best-selling book “Hitler’s War” (1977) claims that Hitler never knew of Jews being murdered in Nazi-occupied Europe.


3D Test of Anti-Semitism:
Demonization, Double Standards, Delegitimization
Foreword of JPSR Issue

Natan Sharansky


http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-sharansky-f04.htm

The first "D" is the test of demonization. When the Jewish state is being demonized; when Israel's actions are blown out of all sensible proportion; when comparisons are made between Israelis and Nazis and between Palestinian refugee camps and Auschwitz - this is anti- Semitism, not legitimate criticism of Israel.

The second "D" is the test of double standards. When criticism of Israel is applied selectively; when Israel is singled out by the United Nations for human rights abuses while the behavior of known and major abusers, such as China, Iran, Cuba, and Syria, is ignored; when Israel's Magen David Adom, alone among the world's ambulance services, is denied admission to the International Red Cross - this is anti-Semitism.

The third "D" is the test of delegitimization: when Israel's fundamental right to exist is denied - alone among all peoples in the world - this too is anti-Semitism.

The evidence and standards are clear...............what New Age Neo Nazi Guru has published and taught is cleary hatemongering, fearmongering Anti-Semitism...................and to that I say:......






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Post  MoMo on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:09 pm



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Post  Ciggy on Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:20 pm

To the points:

1. Shitmullet talks about the Protocols as describing the activities of Jews. Not having subjected myself to Icke's books, I have only his boozeletters and web-based cries for help as a barometer of his attitude, but in that body of material that I've read, he has always been clever enough to say the Protocols was descriptive of the activities of the "reptilians". This of course an antisemite will hear as "Jews", and of course a Jew eagerly rooting out antisemitic agendas will similarly hear it that way. And those new age woos who want nothing to do with antisemitism will also hear it simply as ..."reptilians". His nonsense is all things to all people.

2. Anti-Israel. He definitely is anti-Israel. But then being anti-Israel is not anti-Semitic. There is no religious requirement within Judaism to be a Zionist. And in fact most fundamentalist Christians are Zionists. Most Iranian Jews, as a nationalist bit of sentiment, are anti-Zionist. Yet they are still Jews. This is not a defense of Icke in my opinion, nor a point against him, rather a clarification of his position there.

3. Stirring up hatred. He absolutely does. He does because it makes him money. I've seen no evidence that he genuinely believes any of what he spews, but in pandering to those who hate, he makes Bentley payments.

I'll add one of my own: if it waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's certainly no chicken. He runs his forum like a nazi. He relies on a sense of charisma while speaking, much like Hitler did. Anyone anywhere could be forgiven for interpreting that to say he is a nazi, and it's entirely possible they would be right. But I like to reserve my critiques of Icke to those things I know and can prove. I know and can prove he runs his forum like a nazi and spews idiocy like a nutter and is absolutely fooking obsessed with money. Those traits should be enough to drag the man down without having to invent fantasies of his antisemitic pandering being "genuine".

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