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Post  Ciggy on Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:42 pm

Oi... William Nelson? Hang on a minute here...
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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  daddlepoms on Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:32 pm

nazi's were all sexually attracted to pork no different than jews are. samaim different

pink swastika & jews sexually attarcated to the cross,

why do the think the cope has red louvres, it's the drape a cape, hope down her throat, banana style, with woodward & son's throbbin as interms, why else

pork equals hookers.

it's all smelly & poorinf rain

poof & doof

george Micah is trying to find his way back into the croset
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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  MoMo on Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:28 am

Hey icke!!!







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Post  daddlepoms on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:49 pm

Ciggy wrote:Oi... William Nelson? Hang on a minute here...

judas beat him to it


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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  daddlepoms on Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:51 pm

K-Federino wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Oi... William Nelson? Hang on a minute here...

judas beat him to it


cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu

judas musta had a big thich 8 inch stick to beat him into it though, otherwise how could he force his way in that deep

beat em in there hard & deep
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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  MoMo on Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:58 am

New Age Neo Nazi Guru David Icke is still prattering on about subjects of which he is ignorant....especially Zionism, his newest code word for Jews is: David Icke - Rothschild Zionism


He complains he is being persecuted as an Anti semite, when there is ample evidence of his own writings that make it abundantly clear he is an ignorant shit for brainz anti-semite....



http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/60620-rothschild-zionists-threaten-organiser-of-david-icke-events-in-hawaii-with-consequences-if-he-doesn't-cancel

Rothschild Zionists Threaten Organiser of David Icke Events in Hawaii With 'Consequences' If He Doesn't Cancel

Saturday, 04 February 2012 13:00

If I am allowed to speak, there is apparently going to be an enormous amount of very bad publicity, protestors at the events and a boycott of the events if they are not immediately cancelled. Wow. Scary.
Why? Because I am, no, wait for it, don't laugh yet, okay, go ahead ... I am 'anti-Semitic' ... which actually means 'anti-Arab', but never let the facts spoil a good character assassination.


er...dave...here's a clue................... thumbs up

http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/Against_Zionists_not_Jews.htm


Again Zionism not Jews
"I'm against the evil Nazi Zionists, Racist Zionists and the Apartheid Zionist State - Israel is an Apartheid State I tell you! Worth than South Africa! ... but I'm not anti-Jewish. Some of my best friends are even Jewish" - statements like this are very worrying. They show a complete lack of understanding about Zionism, not to mention Judaism.

Zionism is the national self determination movement of the Jewish people. Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people, in Israel. Zionism is the Jewish people's instantiation of the human right of self determination. 99% of Jews are supportive of the existance of the Jewish state - that makes them Zionists.

combine that fact with Ickes false representations of the rothchilds and you have a shit for brainz anti-semite.david icke.New Age Neo Nazi Guru............. thumbs up


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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:11 pm

Yo!!!! davey boy, what you teach about the Rothchilds is false.........



The Real or Illusionary Threat
of a Secret Worldwide Conspiracy

by G. Richard Fisher


http://www.pfo.org/illumint.htm

“For thus the Lord spoke to me with a mighty power and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying, ‘You are not to say, “It is a conspiracy!” in regard to all that this people call a conspiracy. And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it. It is the Lord of hosts whom you should regard as holy. And He shall be your fear. And He shall be your dread’” (Isaiah 8:11-13).
Some who have never heard the term Illuminati may wonder, “What in the world is it?” The literal definition of the word Illuminati means “the enlightened ones.” It has been a term designating various groups since the mid-1700s. In this century some parts of the fundamental, evangelical and Charismatic Church have become interested in, and occasionally obsessed with, the Illuminati idea.

It is best to speak of the Illuminati as an idea because there are dozens of conflicting theories as to just whom the group is and what it is doing today. People who become heavily involved in the elusive pursuit of the Illuminati seem to fall under a deep persuasion of an “imminent takeover” and a “secret worldwide conspiracy” underlying everything happening today. Of course, the predetermined dates come and go and the takeover never takes! .............The first real historical link claimed that can be established with any certainty is to the Bavarian Illuminati. On May 1, 1776, in Bavaria, Dr. Adam Weishaupt, a professor of canon law at Ingolstadt University and a former Jesuit, formed a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati within the Masonic Lodges of Germany. It was actually a secret society within a secret society.

In 1785, the Bavarian Illuminati was penetrated, broken and suppressed by the government for plotting to overthrow the kings of Europe. This scenario is agreed upon by all historians. The weakest link in the chain for the Illuminologist, however, is the first few links. It is alleged that the Rothschilds funded Weishaupt. It is a matter of historical record that the Rothschilds did not establish a banking firm until about 1800 which is after the demise of the original Illuminati.2 Rothschilds were ghetto hawkers until then. The Rothschild-link is nonexistent here as well as later.

A claim is made that Edmond Rothschild funded Zionism (in the strain of Illuminati theory that is anti-Semitic and claims a Jewish world takeover). Rothschild did fund early settlers in Israel, but would have nothing to do with the father of Zionism, Theodor Herzl and early political Zionists. This can be proved from the diaries of Herzl and the massive evidence at Herzl Archive in Jerusalem.3 The other broken Rothschild-link is the claim that Adolf Hitler was funded by the Rothschilds.4

The house of Rothschild Banking Firm was liquidated in Germany in 1901. Their remaining properties in Germany and Austria were confiscated by Hitler in the ‘30s, and the family escaped with only their lives. A few family members jailed by Hitler were bargained for and bought back at great cost.

Everything prior to Weishaupt and the Bavarian Illuminati is a matter of heated speculation, mythology and controversy, with no real historical documentation.

Another document, sometimes referred to in the anti-Semitic strain of Illuminology is The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.5 This mythological piece, originating in Europe in the 1800s, tells of a secret meeting in a graveyard with Satan and twelve Elders of Zion. This purely straight fiction originated from the pen of Hermann Goedsch, a Prussian postal worker, in 1868. In his novel, Biarritz, there was a chapter, “In the Jewish Cemetery in Prague,” telling of the devil’s meeting and the imminent sensational Jewish takeover.

This eventually evolved into a document called the Rabbi’s Speech. In Russia and Germany it was accepted as fact and stimulated persecutions and pogroms. In 1920, it took the name The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Millions of copies were circulated in the 1930s and 1940s, and it was compulsory reading in German schools.6 So much for the Jewish world conspiracy.
......................To see sin and corruption in all governments and systems is truly different from seeing all history as a conspiracy...............To look at all of history through conspiratorial glasses is simplistic reductionism. That is to say that it ignores the diversity and complexity in the world and reduces everything to humans just working out their nefarious plans worldwide...............The theories which disperse Illuminati ideas are both confusing and undocumented.13 Paul’s words to Timothy remain relevant today:

“I wanted you to do this so that you could order certain persons to stop inventing new doctrines and to leave hoary old myths and interminable genealogies alone. Such things lead men to speculation rather than to ordered living which results from faith in God. ... You will be doing your duty as Christ’s minister if you remind your church members of these things, and you will show yourself as one who owes his strength to the truth of the faith he has absorbed and the sound teaching he has followed. But steer clear of all these stupid Godless fictions. ... If anyone tries to teach some doctrinal novelty which is not compatible with sound teaching (which we base on Christ’s own words and which leads to Christ-like living), then he is a conceited idiot. His mind is a morbid jumble of disputation and argument. ... Oh Timothy, guard most carefully your divine commission. Avoid the Godless mixture of contradictory notions which is falsely known as ‘knowledge’ — some have followed it and lost their faith” (1 Timothy 1:3-4; 4:6-7; 6:3-4, 20, Phillips).
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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:22 pm

Illuminati, The New World Order & Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) thumbs up

http://www.skepdic.com/illuminati.html

David Icke

David Icke, another pundit of the Illuminati, believes humans have been getting messages from alien "Illuminati-reptilians" for thousands of years. The reptiles explain such things as the Gregorian calendar.

The whole senario [sic] was planned centuries ago because the reptilians, operating from the lower fourth dimension, and indeed whatever force controls them, have a very different version of "time" than we have, hence they can see and plan down the three-dimensional "time"-line in a way that those in three-dimensional form cannot.*
Icke fancies himself "The most controversial author and speaker in the world."* For him, the origin of the Illuminati is extraterrestrial. He knows this because he is sure we have been contacted regularly with messages from beyond by the alien lizards. He explains it all in several books, especially The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World.*

Rothschild family

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rothschild_family



The Rothschild family is a family of German Jewish bankers that accumulated vast sums of wealth over the past two centuries. Jewish banker conspiracy theories often trace the entire international conspiracy back to the Rothschilds. The name Rothschild is derived from the German "roten schild," or "red shield." Heavy use of the term "red shields" is a good sign you're in the more conspiratorial and anti-Semitic neighborhood of the Internet.............History.Mayer Amschel Rothschild was the first in the family to gain prominence as a banker, and soon his brothers had opened their own bank branches as well. By the end of the 18th century, they had already started to amass a huge fortune. In the early 1800s, Jews were granted equal rights as citizens in German provinces. This caused an uprising known as the Hep-Hep riots, an outburst of Anti-Semitism in which two Rothschild houses were targeted. The Rothschilds just kept on making money, though. They became known for being secretive (you would too if you were attacked by racist rioters).

Because the family had branches in multiple European countries by the 19th century, they traded tons of inside information that allowed them to pull off a number of financial dick moves. In one of the most well-known cases, a British Rothschild, Nathan, pulled off something that resembled a big Short and distort scheme during the Napoleonic Wars. Napoleon had just been defeated at Waterloo, but word of the defeat reached Britain through the Rothschild information network before the British government's messenger had even made it back. With this advance knowledge, and knowing that others would follow his move assuming he had inside information, Rothschild sold all of his stock in British companies immediately. This caused a market panic and everyone sold, assuming the British had lost at Waterloo. Rothschild then bought up all the now dirt-cheap stock about the same time the official British messenger arrived to deliver news of the victory. Confidence was restored in the market and it returned to pre-crash levels. Rothschild then took the metric fuckton of money he made off of that scheme and bought up the entire British bond market, predicting that they would appreciate in value due to the end of the war. He later pawned them off for nearly twice what he had bought them for. It should be noted, though, that more current research (e.g., by Niall Ferguson) has shown that contemporary accounts of this incident produced by anti-Semites heavily embellished it by overestimating the value of the bond market and overlooking many of the heavy losses Rothschild incurred because of this, as he had also had large speculative bets on a protracted war. Nathan's fortune was actually built largely after the war. This also led to conspiracy theories about Rothschild ownership of the British government.

[edit] Conspiracy theories
Mind-bogglingly rich Jewish bankers who funded wars and had a multinational network all the way back in the 19th century? Ripe for conspiracy theorizing! Alex Jones, Lyndon LaRouche, and many other conspiracy theorists view the Rothschilds as helping to create the framework for the New World Order. Their name often gets attached to any old NWO, Illuminati, or one world government theory. Conspiracy theories about the family have been around for over a century. Usually, the main accusation made by theorists is that they're playing both sides of every conflict, ever. The Napoleonic Wars, the Franco-Prussian War, World War I, World War II, etc. All sides of each war were merely puppets of the Rothschilds, who would make exorbitant amounts of cash from repeatedly prodding nations into a cycle of endless warfare.

This is, of course, bullshit. While the Rothschilds did make money by financing arms deals, they also had tons of money in bond markets. Political instability was bad for business because it would destabilize the bond markets. After the Franco-Prussian war, Prussia imposed demands for extremely harsh reparations on France. The Rothschilds, not wanting France to go bankrupt and declare war on Prussia, swooped in and bailed out the entire country with the help of other investors. During World War II, Adolf Hitler seized the Rothschilds property and drove them from Germany. Pretty sneaky considering Hitler was supposed to be their puppet. In reality, the power of the family went into decline by World War I as American Wall Street based financiers began to overtake them.

Of course, in conspiracy-land, the ascendancy of the Wall Street firms was all part of the plan. The first step was in creating the Federal Reserve to concentrate power in their hands even further, so they would own the US as well as Europe. Then they took over the UN, they own the World Bank and IMF, all of it. They are the puppetmasters, and we are their puppets.

In reality, they're still around today, but they're not guilty of anything besides some dirty financial games and being obnoxiously rich.
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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:26 pm

Alleged Federal Reserve Ownership

http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-ownership


Introduction

It seems that a consistent practice of "outrageous claim" sites is to repeat the same misinformation without research, then cross-link as though this is proof.

Let's look at an example where several sites have revealed the long-held secret owners of the Federal Reserve. Only a little research into the list would uncover the flaws.

The Alleged owners
Rothschild Bank of London
No such bank exists today.

The Rothschild name is used a lot in international banking conspiracy theories. And there was a time when the Rothschold family did have signficiant power in world banking.

But times change. Once considered one of the great fortunes of the world, the Rothschild empire is but a shadaw of it's former self. "Rothschild bankers of today being only a minor player in the global economy." -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_banking_family_of_England

Warburg Bank of Hamburg
Currently doing business as "M.M. Warburg and Company" ([http://www.mmwarburg.de/en/bankhaus/adressen/] ) The Bank has not been owned or controlled by the Warburgs since the 1930s driven out by anti-semite practices in Nazi Germany.

"Reichsbank president Hjalmar Schacht told Max M. Warburg during a meeting in Berlin in September 1937 that he could no longer keep the bank…(it) was confiscated when the war broke out."

http://www.mmwarburg.de/en/bankhaus/historie/1938_1945.html

"… Virtually all members of the Warburg family had fled to the United States or Great Britain by 1938."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_family

Rothschild Bank of Berlin
There is no such bank. Rothschilds does not even have an office in Berlin
http://www.rothschild.com/groupprivatebanking/?id=globallocations/Germany

Lehman Brothers of New York
Exists but not quite the power house it is protrayed. It is currently listed as 46th largest bank. The last Lehman to lead it died in 1969. Today it is a publicly held firm so it's major assets can be viewed in the annual report. And, no, ownership of a central bank is not listed as an asset.

Lehman Brothers went bankrupt in September 2008.

Lazard Brothers of Paris
No such firm exists. Lazard Ltd is a publicly traded firm with a market value of $2B which is rather small compared to other major banks. It's major assets can be viewed in the annual report. http://www.nyse.com/about/listed/lcddata.html?ticker=LAZ

Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Has not exist since 1977 when it merged with Lehman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuhn,_Loeb_&_Co.

Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy
A search for the existance of this bank did not turn up a single reliable source.

Goldman, Sachs of New York
Currently called Goldman, Sachs Group Inc, this is a real bank and a big one at that with $78B in market value. The annual report shows about $1B in assets but no Federal Reserve ownership.

http://www2.goldmansachs.com/our-firm/investors/financials/current/annual-reports/2007-annual-report.html

Warburg Bank of Amsterdam
No such bank could be found

Chase Manhattan Bank of New York
Merged and renamed to JP Morgan Chase

This one does exist and is pretty darn big. Since it is publicly traded, you can view the top shareholders and assets online.

So who does own the Federal Reserve?
The FRS is headed by the Board of Governor a Federal Agency with no mechanism of any sort for anything resembling private ownership.

The concept of ownership comes at the branch level which are organized similar to corporations. Member banks are compelled to subscribe to shares in their local Fed branch. These shares are very limited in their power. (For more detail, see [http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-system])

Regardless of who the share owners are, the law is fairly clear about ownership of shares in a Fed branch:

•Only member banks can own shares
•All member banks must be domestic (i.e. a majority of the shares in a member bank must be owned by Americans)
•Regardless of the number of shares a bank owns it has only one vote.
•Regardless of the number of branches a bank has, it can only own shares and have it's vote in a single branch.
So involvement and influence in Fed branches is spread over thousands of banks.

And, of course, no bank has any vote within the Board of Governors which oversees the entire system.

Bottom line: The above list of secret owners has been parrot for decades by gullible conspiracy theorists who accept it without question.

Closing
Note to any conspiracy theorists reading this and getting outraged:
Suppress your normal reaction to attack the author and the source.

Instead, invest your energy in doing some original research and make your information iron-clad.

Yes, there are evil people out there wanting to do bad things. Stop diverting attention with this out-of-date nonsense and document something current and accurate
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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:29 pm

International Jewish conspiracy

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/International_Jewish_Conspiracy

“ Rabbi Altmann and his secretary were sitting in a coffeehouse in Berlin in 1935. "Herr Altmann," said his secretary, "I notice you're reading Der Stürmer! I can't understand why. A Nazi libel sheet! Are you some kind of masochist, or, God forbid, a self-hating Jew?"
"On the contrary, Frau Epstein. When I used to read the Jewish papers, all I learned about were pogroms, riots in Palestine, and assimilation in America. But now that I read Der Stürmer, I see so much more: that the Jews control all the banks, that we dominate in the arts, and that we're on the verge of taking over the entire world. You know - it makes me feel a whole lot better!"
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[edit] Antique and medieval claims of Jewish conspiracy
The blood libel, or conspiratorial slur that Jews murder gentile babies to use their blood in the preparation of Passover matzos, goes back to antiquity.

In medieval Europe, outbreaks of disease were commonly blamed on Jews poisoning wells, which led to pogroms, murders, and the Jews being forced by the governing authorities to live in segregated areas of cities called ghettos.

It was only until modern times that the Catholic Church stopped assigning blame to the Jews for their purported deicide of Jesus Christ. In medieval Europe, Jews were accused of re-enacting Jesus's crucifixion and death by stabbing or mutilating the host, which Catholics believe are transubstantiated into the body of Christ.

[edit] Revisionist colonial American history: the Franklin Prophecy
In 1934, an American pro-Nazi magazine published the claim that Benjamin Franklin delivered an anti-Semitic speech at the 1787 Constitutional Convention urging that Jews not be admitted to the United States.[1] Franklin's purported rationale included that Jews: refuse to assimilate wherever they move, are vampires who must live among Christians, will attempt to financially strangle the country, will stream into the United States in such numbers that they will take over and rule the country. Franklin's so-called prophecy was allegedly recorded in a "private diary" of Charles Pinckney, Constitutional Convention delegate from South Carolina, that is now in the possession of the Franklin Institute. The Anti-Defamation League exposed the fraud in 1954, yet references to the "prophecy" still persist on neo-Nazi messageboards[2] and on usenet.[3]

Similar anti-Semitic sentiments have been falsely ascribed to George Washington.

[edit] 20th Century claims of Jewish conspiracy
Modern anti-Semitic conspiracy theories depicting an elaborate secret hierarchy of controlling Jewish influences largely take their cue from The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, a 1903 tract purporting to be the manual of a Jewish secret society planning world domination. It was widely circulated in the early twentieth century and exposed as a fraud as early as 1921.

Automobile manufacturer Henry Ford further popularized the conspiracy during the 1920s by publishing the Protocols and anti-Semitic articles in his newspaper, The Dearborn Independent, and distributing hundreds of thousands of copies of the Protocols. Ford's anti-Semitic articles were later collected and published as a four-volume treatise entitled The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem.[4]

Ford's enthusiastic endorsement of an international Jewish conspiracy proved extremely popular in Weimar-era Germany. Ford provided substantial financial backing to Hitler in the 1920's and his writings were a significant influence on the formation of the Nazi party and its grassroots support. By 1933, when the Nazi Party came to power in Germany, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion was standard reading in German schools. Adolf Hitler admired Henry Ford and even emulated him by creating his own automobile, the Volkswagen. Hitler further propagated the Jewish conspiracy myth in Mein Kampf and other Nazi propaganda blaming Jews for the rise of both communism and rampant capitalism, and for Germany's economic decline following the First World War.

Spanish fascist dictator Francisco Franco similarly believed in a conspiracy of Jews, Freemasons and communists intending to establish a world government. He often made reference to a vast "Judeo-Masonic conspiracy."[5]

[edit] Millenarian anti-Semites
Fundamentalist Christians of an anti-Semitic bent have promoted theories that intermingle the End Times with a worldwide Jewish conspiracy where the anti-christ is believed to be a Jew. Perhaps the most popular promoter of this lunacy was Nazi sympathizer Gordon Winrod.[6] Winrod explained this brand of the conspiracy thusly:

“ A Jewish Antichrist in the end of this age, pre-supposes an international system of Jewish government. There can be little doubt that such a system, based upon the Jewish Money Power, has already been created -- and is ready to step into the open and assume control of world affairs as soon as the time is ripe.[7] ”

[edit] Modern variations
After the fall of Nazi Germany, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, along with anti-Semitism itself, have become increasingly marginalized. However, the myth of an international Jewish conspiracy remains common among right-wing conspiracy theorists, Neo-Nazis, black supremacists and other racist lunatics, and has been further perpetuated in recent years by these lunatics' rantings on the internet.

This canard is also common in parts of the Islamic world, especially among Palestinian resistance movements. For example, the founding charter of Hamas asserts the existence of a Zionist conspiracy, working internationally through secret organizations such as the Freemasons as well as the government of Israel, and cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as the embodiment of their plans.[8]

Anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists often focus on Zionism and the founding of Israel, or on denying the existent or scale of the Holocaust and claiming it is a myth fabricated or exaggerated to serve Jewish interests. Believers in an international conspiracy often claim that Jews are secretly running the United States government in collaboration with Israel. They point to examples of wealthy Jews in the financial sector and other industries (the Rothschild family regularly appears in these theories), and to the apparently disproportionate numbers of Jews involved in the movie industry in Hollywood.

If it is even true that Jews are disproportionately represented in business, one must be careful to note that correlation does not equal causation. In the Western World until the 19th Century, the largely Christian populations obeyed a religiously motivated prohibition on charging interest on loans, with the role of banker historically falling on Jewish businessmen who were sometimes even specifically licensed by sovereigns to charge interest. To assume that the disproportionate number of Jews involved in finance proves they're engaging in a Zionist conspiracy through manipulation of capitalism is to ignore the historic role of Jews in banking due to the Christian prohibition against usury.

Individual theories vary widely. Many claim that "international Jewry" is in control of the Freemasons, Illuminati, and other real or perceived secret societies. Often the international Jewish conspiracy is portrayed as an active part of, or the major power behind, that greatest of all conspiracies, the New World Order.

Various anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories sprang up in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks claiming that a Jewish or Israeli conspiracy was behind the attacks, or that the whole incident was faked in order to serve Jewish and Zionist interests. A common myth, spread by racist websites and chain emails, is that hundreds or even thousands of Jewish employees in the World Trade Center were forewarned of the attacks missed work on September 11th 2001.

Variations on these conspiracies that may not appear overtly anti-Semitic often have a latent anti-Semitism about them as the words "Illuminati," "New World Order," "international bankers," and "financiers" are Mad Libbed in for "Jews" and "international Jewry."
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Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:33 pm

Common themes in truther thinking
A freakishly large number of truthers are shamelessly anti-Semitic, blaming in various members US neoconservatives (a disproportionate number, though hardly a majority, of whose most prominent members were Jewish, including Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz), property owner Larry Silverstein, and the Israeli Mossad for planning/covering up the attack. Many truthers also seem to be of the opinion that a group of Ay-rabs couldn't have planned an operation this complex, a slightly (but only slightly) more subtly racist attitude remniscent of Erich von Däniken.

Technological illiteracy is a frequent theme as well -- the invention of fanciful devices such as "thermite straps" to cut vertical girders for example (thermite is very hard to direct and usually burns straight down), "quiet" explosives, very-low-yield nuclear weapons, and even undetectable holographic projectors (favored by some of the no-planers) all figure into theories put forth by truthers. Outright lying is not unusual as well; for example, claims of no plane parts on the lawn of the Pentagon were directly refuted by eyewitnesses.

Truthers also seem to have a thing for digging around in the statistical noise, misinterpreting photo artifacts and other random bits of data[29] and even taking operational jargon (such as the infamous "pull it" command that was used to order the evacuation of WTC 7) out of context, while avoiding things like the fact that steel doesn't have to melt to bend, that office fires can be much hotter than just a kerosene fire, or the fact that there was a 20-story gash in the side of WTC 7 after the tower collapses that seriously compromised its structural integrity. In fact, the entire truther thought process is very much akin to quote mining. Who'da thunk.

At the conservative end of the Truther spectrum are LIHOPers (short for Let It Happen On Purpose, in contrast to MIHOPers for Made It Happen On Purpose) who believe US intelligence agencies had data on the coming attacks prior to September 11th, 2001, which the administration willfully ignored, but whose direct involvement was limited to (at very most) diverting defenses that might have interfered with the attack. The least indulgent of the Truthers speculate that the 9/11 attacks were planned and carried out by Osama Bin Laden and a cadre of veteran Mujahideen, and not a lone, nondescript terrorist who single-handedly hijacked and piloted all four planes to their targets



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Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:35 pm

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by Eric Thomson

http://www.faem.com/eric/2000/et047.htm

Back in 1976 1 gave you the ZOG-concept. As a long-time African resident, I could see what should have been obvious to those on this continent who were supposedly attempting to fight... Who knows? Some claimed that The Enemy was the CFR, the Bilderbergers, the Trilateralists, the dreaded, but conveniently anonymous "Insiders". As a simple Nazi, I realized that what was lacking was a Feindbild or picture of the enemy. If one did not know who the enemy was, then one could never hope to combat him. Later, I learned that 'our side' had no definition of who or what it was, either. Without a Feindbild, the situation is serious, but not hopeless. Without a Selbstbild, a concept of who we are, then the situation is hopeless, but not serious. The blightwingers seem set in their ways, choosing to blunder and stumble along, on their treadmill to oblivion, because they choose not to identify themselves any more than they choose to identify their enemies.

George Orwell said wisely, "Who defines controls." The blightwing uses enemy labels, allowing the enemy to define who they are. By doing this, blightwingers give the enemy the moral high ground. It is like an accused defendant in a murder trial who says, "Sure, I'm a murderer, but I only intended to make my victim a little bit dead." Please remember that the Allied rapists and murderers who invaded Europe in 1944 did not call themselves the names used by their White victims. The Allied rapists, thieves and murderers called themselves "liberators". Indeed they were, for they 'liberated' White Europeans from their property, their virginity and their lives! Allied "liberation" in Europe was worse than U.S. "reconstruction" in the conquered South after the War Between the States. School children are taught that "liberation" and "reconstruction" were benign policies, rather than hypocritical euphemisms for genocide. In his prophetic book, "1984", Orwell described Ingsoc's program to make language 'politically correct' by eliminating 'subversive' words which would allow dissenters to communicate with others. Words which were not eliminated were redefined, usually to mean their opposite, as in New World 'Order', 'tolerance', 'discrimination', 'prejudice', etc. ZOG-thugs describe their opponents as "suicidal", which means that they wish to kill as many zoglings as possible before they are themselves killed.

To the ZOG-wise, I offer these tidbits as ammunition in the war of words and the battle for men's minds:

ZIONIST: a jew-supremacist or Israel-firster. Most Zionists are not jews, but jew-stooges who are bribed and/or bamboozled into serving their jewish masters. The previously-used term for such a critter was "useful idiot" or race-traitor.

OCCUPATION: the status of foreign troops or agents who rule a subject people against its own interests, on behalf of the alien occupiers.

GOVERNMENT: a minority of individuals who have the authority to shoot the majority and/or to levy taxes upon them.

LIBERAL: a ZOG-denier; one who goes where Nazis fear to tread; a useful idiot.

ZOG-LOVER: a Zionist, jew or Gentile.

ZOG-DENIER: a useful idiot who is likely to fall afoul of the ZOG.

ZOG-BUSTER: one who resists the ZOG.

ZOGNERD: a government clerk.

ZOGMOBILE: a police car.

ZOGGULAG: a jail or prison.

ZOGWOG: an Asiatic employee of the government.

ZOGWENCH: a female employee of the government.

ZOGTOM: a Black employee of the government.

ZOGLING or ZOGDOG: any employee of the government.

ZOG-THUG: an armed employee of the government.

ZOG-TURD: a taxpayer, i.e., that which is consumed and excreted by the ZOG.

ZOG-PROP: lies and disinformation purveyed by the jewsmedia; prole-feed; Goy-poison. The message is usually: "Sleep", "Obey", as revealed in the film, "They Live".

FEDZOGUSA: The United States government.

CALZOG: The government of the State of California, etc.

MEXZOG: The government of Mexico.

CANZOG: The government of Canada.

USZOGLAND: The United States of America.

CANZOGLAND: Soviet Canuckistan alias Canada.

BUNDESZOGLAND: Zionist Occupied Germany.

BRITZOGLAND: Zionist Occupied Britain.

NATURALIZATION: an unnatural process whereby aliens are given equal status or better than natives.

BIOPOLITICS: what every species of hominid practices from birth until death.

GEOPOLITICS: an erroneous myth which posits that all hominid species are equal, and that geographical location confers power and wealth. Were Blacks to occupy the "world heartland" of geopolitics, all we would have would be a bunch of cold, starving niggers.

BANKSTER: any thief empowered to create money out of nothing and charge interest thereon.

COUNTERFEITER: a thief who prints money, but cannot charge interest thereon.

JUDICIARY: pronounced "jew-diciary". 'Nuff said.

WASHINGTON, DISTRICT OF CORRUPTION: Official capital of Uszogland, alias Tel Aviv West.

ZITS: Zionist International Terrorists, alias Mossad, FBI, ATF, KGB et al. These ZOG-THUGS are hired to use lethal force on those whom the jews cannot bribe or bamboozle. Every ZOG-BUSTER should pop ZITS whenever an opportunity arises.

ZOGBITES: Taxes.

I am sure creative Aryans can come up with more words to describe the enemies of humanity, but for now, THEY LIVE, WE SLEEP.

OUR RACE IS OUR NATION! (February 1999)

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Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:37 pm

Zionist Occupation Government (also Zionist Occupational Government or Zionist Occupied Government, abbreviated ZOG, and less commonly Jewish Occupied Government, abbreviated JOG) is an iteration of the international Jewish conspiracy coined by the neo-Nazi Eric Thomson.[1] The term is usually used in neo-Nazi, Christian Identity, and other white supremacist circles. It was popular with The Order, an offshoot of Aryan Nations that was known for its murder of talk show host Alan Berg, bank robberies, and bombings of synagogues.[2] The conspiracies associated with ZOG are essentially The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion updated for modern times, with Jews allegedly controlling every social and governmental institution. The term "New World Order" and its associated conspiracy theories are often used synonymously with ZOG.

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Zog Ate My Brains

Conspiracy theories about Jews abound. Chip Berlet unpacks their appeal.


http://www.newint.org/features/2004/10/01/conspiracism/

If you surf the web, you may have encountered the claim that the Israeli spy agency Mossad warned 4,000 Jews who worked in the World Trade Centre to stay home on 11 September 2001; or that a handful of Jewish lobbyists control US foreign policy; or the world is run by the Zionist Occupation Government (ZOG). All these claims are patently false, yet they have devoted defenders.

The idea that a secret group of powerful people is conspiring to control world events is centuries old, and it is seeing a troubling resurgence on the political Left. Unlike most progressive theories about political power that stress systemic, institutional or structural analyses, conspiracy theories claim a handful of sinister plotters are mucking things up. This often devolves into charges that ‘The Jews’ are behind some sinister plan for global subversion. Where do these ideas come from?

Sticking to Protocols

In the early 1900s, Czar Nicholas II’s Okhranka (secret police) in Russia promoted a hoax document called the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion – claimed to be the minutes of a secret ‘cabal’ of Jews who manipulated world events through the Freemasons and other groups. The Protocols were translated into many languages and circulated around the world. Author Norman Cohn titled his study on this fake Warrant for Genocide, because it was used to justify pogroms in Russia and the scapegoating and murder of Jews in Nazi Germany.

The specific allegations change based on time and place, but the basic elements of destructive conspiracy theories remain the same:

Dualistic division
The world is divided into a good ‘Us’ and a bad ‘Them’.

Demonizing rhetoric
Our opponents are evil and subversive… maybe subhuman.

Targeting scapegoats
‘They’ are causing all our troubles – we are blameless.

Apocalyptic timetable
Time is running out and we must act immediately to stave off a cataclysmic event.

Brenda Brasher, a sociologist at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland, notes that in this model, ‘People are cast in their roles as either enemy or friend, and there is no such thing as middle ground. In the battle with evil, can you really say you are neutral?’

Conspiracy theory is sometimes called conspiracism. Michael Barkun, author of A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America, contends that conspiracism attracts people because conspiracy theorists ‘claim to explain what others can’t. They appear to make sense out of a world that is otherwise confusing.’ There is an appealing simplicity in dividing the world sharply into good and bad and tracing ‘all evil back to a single source, the conspirators and their agents’. Barkun notes that ‘conspiracy theories are often presented as special, secret knowledge unknown or unappreciated by others’. For conspiracists, ‘the masses are a brainwashed herd, while the conspiracists in the know can congratulate themselves on penetrating the plotters’ deceptions’.

Conspiracism often gains a mass following in times of social, cultural, economic, or political stress. Immigration, demands for racial or gender equality, gay rights, power struggles between nations, and war can all can be viewed through a conspiracist lens. Conspiracism started as a way to defend the status quo, but it spawned a flipside where the conspiracy is perceived as controlling the government. This was a central motif of the 1950s ‘Red Scare’ when fears of global communist subversion were a common conspiracist script. Today, Arabs and Muslims are portrayed in a similar demonizing way as conspiring against Western culture. Sadly, as tensions in the Middle East have boiled over, an increasing number of Arabs and Muslims have grabbed onto antisemitic conspiracy theories to explain devastating struggles over land and power. This is evidenced by the popularity of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the region where they have been repackaged into television series broadcast from Lebanon and Egypt.

Antisemitic conspiracism is aggressively peddled to progressives by several rightwing groups including the international network run by Lyndon LaRouche, a frequently unsuccessful US presidential candidate. While LaRouche rhetoric can seem bonkers, his followers are successful in recruiting students on college campuses and in networking with some Black Nationalist groups. Sometimes Arab publications circulate articles from LaRouche group analysts. When LaRouche publications condemn the neoconservative policy advisers to President Bush as the ‘Children of Satan’, it echoes historic antisemitic rhetoric about evil Jewish conspiracies tracing back to medieval Europe.

Lobby libel

Why would progressives embrace conspiracism? In the 1980s, isolationists on the Right, and anti-war activists on the Left grew suspicious of President Ronald Reagan’s support for covert action overseas and political repression at home. As they interacted, some progressive groups began circulating allegations about ‘Secret Teams’, ‘Shadow Governments’, or ‘The Octopus’, that echoed historic antisemitic conspiracy theories found in rightwing publications. With the collapse of communism in Europe many rightists shifted scapegoats to claim a New World Order conspiracy was manipulating the US Government. Again, some leftists adapted this rhetoric. During the first Gulf War, some anti-war activists spoke of a ‘Jewish Lobby’ in ways that blended stereotyping with conspiracism.1

‘When we blame US foreign policy on Israel or some Jewish cabal,’ it ‘takes the heat off those who are the real decision makers,’ says Penny Rosenwasser, a board member of US-based Jewish Voice for Peace. ‘We need to aim our criticism at the proper targets. US foreign policy is influenced more by corporate interests, the Christian Right and the arms manufacturers than by the Israeli Government.’ Rosenwasser points out that it is US foreign policy that needs to be challenged: ‘Blaming scapegoats diverts us from our work for human rights and justice.’ She sees that some people ‘blur the distinction between the Jewish people and the policies of the Israeli Government’. That’s what happens with phrases like ‘the Jewish Lobby’ where the work of Jews seeking justice for Palestinians is simply erased.

The story about the Jews avoiding the Twin Towers on 11 September? Every aspect of this tale is false. Reporters traced it back to a series of rumours and claims by unnamed sources that bounced around the internet getting more elaborate with each retelling. To take this story seriously, you would have to be willing to assume that if 4,000 random Jews were told of an impending terrorist attack, not one would step forward with a public warning. To believe this about any religious, racial or ethnic group raises serious questions about lingering prejudice.2

Mad about ZOG

Out on the furthest conspiracist limb are race hate groups and neo-Nazis who are obsessed with the Zionist Occupation Government (ZOG) – an idea that is the modern incarnation of the infamous Protocols.

But such ideas are by no means the preserve of the extremist fringe. Brasher says: ‘We tend to look at apocalyptic and conspiracist belief and laugh it off and push it aside. Yet in many ways it is pervasive. I came back to visit the United States after the attacks on 9/11 and was amazed to see apocalyptic rhetoric being spun out by elected officials and people on the Right and Left.’

There are powerful forces that shape our reality. Conspiracies do take place. How we approach the workings of élite groups and individuals, however, is crucial if we are to avoid traversing down the conspiracists’ path.

G William Domhoff, author of several books on how powerful élites try to shape political and economic policies, distinguishes his techniques for researching power structures from those used by conspiracists. Domhoff complains: ‘There is no falsifying a conspiracy theory. Its proponents always find a way to claim the élite really won, even though everyday people stop some things, or win some battles.’ Author Holly Sklar agrees: ‘When I write about influential élite planning groups such as the Trilateral Commission, I don’t portray them as omnipotent puppet masters manipulating politicians and policies in a vast conspiracy. When progressives grab on to conspiracy theories it undermines effective strategic analysis, planning and action.’

Even when conspiracy theorists proclaim they are not targeting Jews, conspiracism creates a milieu in which antisemitism can flourish. Many progressives, conservatives, New Agers – even UFO groups – have spoken out against antisemitic conspiracy theories. And an increasing number of activists suggest that conspiracism itself needs to be opposed, especially on the political Left. Lee Quinby, author of Anti-Apocalypse, complains that ‘Progressive thought falters under the weight of apocalyptic and conspiratorial thinking,’ because ‘disagreement and dissent are disallowed, democratic debate is precluded, and differences of opinion are penalized.’ Domhoff agrees: ‘Conspiracism is a disaster for progressive people because it leads them into cynicism, convoluted thinking, and a tendency to feel it is hopeless even as they denounce the alleged conspirators.’

‘In the battle with evil, can you really say you are neutral?’
Robert Alan Goldberg writes about this in Enemies Within: the Culture of Conspiracy in Modern America. He believes: ‘Healthy scepticism of authority is essential to democracy. The key is to maintain logical consistency while demanding evidence in support of an argument. Conspiracy theories are slippery in their logic and careless of facts and assumptions. They work from a premise or preconception of conspiracy and deny other possible explanations of events. Circumstance, rumour and hearsay serve as evidence and are deemed sufficient for proof.’

Mark Fenster, author of Conspiracy Theories, cautions that we should not fear popular activism or avoid finding simple ways to explain current political issues, ‘but don’t embrace them without understanding their downside risk. And always educate about the complex structures that affect what often appear to their victims as simple dynamics.’ Fenster warns that if our ‘simple, populist narrative slips and becomes racist or antisemitic or exclusionary, then its power to affect positive social and economic change disappears’.




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Re: David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru

Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:45 pm

The 2009 Sunday Times rich list lists three Rothschilds: Lord Rothschild, his cousin Sir Evelyn and Lady de Rothschild, and his son Nat Rothschild worth £360M, £430M, and £330M respectively for a combined fortune of £1120M (call it 1.8 billion dollars) but I don't think there is any reason to believe that act together. They all appear to be separate fortunes.

One point to note, again according to the Rich List, Lord Rothschild's fortune fell by £1040M between 2008 and 2009! Doesn't your heart bleed for the poor man down to his last 300 million...
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The Foundation’s Founders

http://www.caesarea.com/pages_e/1080.aspx

History speaks for itself: No family has done more for Israel in terms of scope and continuity. The family's contribution to the resurrection ethos of the State of Israel cannot be compared to other sources, and the renowned benevolent initiated activities in Israel long before the establishment of the Zionist movement.

Baron Edmond Benjamin de Rothschild was a man of great vision, who played a pivotal role in the history of the Jewish people and of the State of Israel.
The Baron's outlook on life changed in 1882, when he witnessed first-hand the Pogroms inflicted on the Jews of Russia. These atrocities led him to a revolutionary conclusion for his time - that Jews worldwide, who face danger on the basis of their religious affiliation, must have a place where they can live in peace. The natural place for those Jews is the land of their forefathers - the Holy Land.

What began as a gesture of help to the Russian Jews, turned into five decades of unrelenting settlement and development of the Jewish community in the Eretz Israel, as well as a life-long passion and project for the Baron.

Baron Edmond Benjamin de Rothschild's basic belief was that the Jews of
Israel must become financially independent, by choosing a source of income on which they can subsist and thrive. In the early years, the only viable option seemed to be the encouragement of an agricultural society.
As such, in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century, the Baron purchased more of the region's land than any other person or organization ever, on which hethe Baron settled new immigrants and allowed them to build their homes and cultivate the lands.

The Baron's concern for the new settlements also included meticulous interest in their agricultural efforts. In addition to the necessary funds, the Baron sent agricultural experts and new agricultural equipment, which he sought during his frequent trips to French county fairs. In later years, the Baron also assisted the budding industry of this settlement, by funding a substantial portion of the region's new industries, factories and entrepreneurs.

Being a fastidious and systematic person, he also realized that for a community to thrive, it must invest in its education, community and culture. As such, he became a staunch advocate of a strong education system, and a most excited supporter of the new settlement's first University, the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

During his five visits to the Eretz Israel, he expressed his convictions:
• The Land of Israel will be a safe haven for Jews, and his mission in life was to build that home for
the Jewish people.
• The Jews of Israel should choose professions that will ensure their long-term sustainability - agriculture, and in later years, industry.
• The settlers must live in light of the history of the Jewish people, and must always remember to sustain the legacy and continuity of their forefathers.
• The community must place great emphasis on education and Jewish culture, which
will ensure the future success of the people and endurance of the Jewish spirit.
• The new society must be built on those basic values of Judaism - ‘respect thy father and thy mother', and ‘love thy neighbor' - the sacred principles of family and community.

When the Baron passed away in 1934, he was already recognized as: the "father of the settlement", leaving a legacy which included the reclamation of nearly 500,000 dunams of
land and close to 30 settlements; the "well-known benefactor", who spent an estimated 40 million francs purchasing land and supporting the new society; and, the person who single-handedly changed the history of Eretz Israel and of the Jewish
people.


Baron Edmond de Rothschild, grandson of the "well-known benefactor", managed the family's banks, wineries, art collections, and numerous other business endeavors. But he was also a very committed Zionist . Where his grandfather made his mark in the purchase and settlement of lands, Baron Edmond de Rothschild is remembered for his contribution to the industrialization of Israel and his generous contributions to various education and cultural
institutions.

In 1962, Edmond de Rothschild established the Rothschild-Caesarea Foundation, which intertwines two of his personal dreams: the building of a unique and thriving community in Caesarea, where an exemplary settlement will be established on the one hand, and securing a source of philanthropic
resources, on the other hand.

The Caesarea Edmond Benjamin de Rothschild Development Corporation Ltd. (CDC), the executive arm of PICA which the Rothschild family incorporated ten years earlier, was entrusted with the task of developing the green Caesarea community of residential homes, industrial areas,
trade centers, tourism and leisure on behalf of the Foundation. A sizeable portion of the Foundation's profits is directed to worthwhile charitable programs in Israel.

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Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 12:59 pm

The Rothschild Gang: Shadow Conspiracy Or Rumor?

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-06-01/wall_street/30025861_1_rothschilds-famous-banking-family-kings


The Rothschilds are the most famous banking family in history. In the 19th century they lent money to Kings and governments and funded both sides in the Napoleonic wars. They once saved the Bank of England from collapse with their own money. But how did they come to be so fabulously wealthy? In this two-part feature we first look at their rise from the ghettoes of Frankfurt, and then in part two we ask why they have been accused of everything from deliberately starting wars, to assassinating presidents and controlling the entire global financial system.

In The World's Richest Family - You Didn't Know About (Part 1) EconomyWatch journalist David Smith finds out how the Rothschilds came to be:


Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-06-01/wall_street/30025861_1_rothschilds-famous-banking-family-kings#ixzz1ljA0E62Z


From their five European bases, the Rothschilds became masters of the political universe. They lent money to Kings, including England’s George IV, dined with Prime Ministers like Disraeli and Gladstone, funded the creation of a pan-European rail network and financed wars, including both sides in the Napoleonic Wars.

Their status was put most eloquently by the contemporary newspaper Nile’s Weekly Register in 1835:

“The Rothschilds are the wonders of modern banking...peering above kings, rising higher than emperors, and holding a whole continent in the hollow of their hands....not a cabinet moves without their advice.”
Of Baron Nathan Rosthchild, the head of the English branch, the newspaper said:

“He holds the keys to peace or war. They are the brokers and counselors of the Kings of Europe and of the Republican chiefs of America. What more can they desire?”
The Rothschilds didn’t just lend money to royals, they also behaved like royalty by marrying each other constantly. In 1836 Nathan’s son Lionel married his first cousin Charlotte Rothschild, who was herself the daughter of Nathan’s brother James, who had married his niece. In other words, her father was also her great uncle. Of Nathan’s seven children, four married Rothschild first cousins. Such inbreeding was genetically questionable, but it bred loyalty and kept money safely in the family.

The Rothschilds ability to form symbiotic links with the powerful became notorious.
Read the rest of The World's Richest Family - You Didn't Know About (Part 1) on EconomyWatch.
In The World's Richest Family - You Didn't Know About (Part 2), David Smith investigates the veil of conspiracy surrounding the Rothschilds:

We can trace the roots of this antipathy as far back as the 19th century when the Rothschilds were the supreme financiers of the world. At that time, the family was already being accused of financing wars for their own financial gain. The German writer Friedrich von Scherb wrote in his 1893 history of the family that:

“The house of Rothschild has arisen from the quarrels between states, has become great and mighty from wars. The misfortune of states and peoples has been its fortune.”
This view that wars could not be fought without the support of Rothschild finance was shared by the left-wing English writer JA Hobson, who wrote in his book Imperialism: A Study (1902) that the Boer Wars had been funded by a small group of Jewish-German financiers, principally the Rothschilds, for economic gain..........
“Does anyone seriously suppose that a great war could be undertaken by any European state, or a great state loan subscribed if the house of Rothschild and their connections set their face against it?” he wrote.
These accusations that the Rothschilds were unscrupulous, even amoral, financiers may not shock us too much today. But the claims made against them began to take on a more anti-Semitic flavor in Germany after the 1st World War.



The World's Richest Family - You Didn't Know About (Part 2)
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A cursory search on google reveals a surplus of accusations against the Rothschilds’ family, including claims that they are running the world through a ‘demonistic cabal’, controlling governments and the most powerful banks. We can trace the roots of this antipathy as far back as the 19th century when the Rothschilds were the supreme financiers of the world. At that time, the family was already being accused of financing wars for their own financial gain. The German writer Friedrich von Scherb wrote in his 1893 history of the family that:

“The house of Rothschild has arisen from the quarrels between states, has become great and mighty from wars. The misfortune of states and peoples has been its fortune.”
This view that wars could not be fought without the support of Rothschild finance was shared by the left-wing English writer JA Hobson, who wrote in his book Imperialism: A Study (1902) that the Boer Wars had been funded by a small group of Jewish-German financiers, principally the Rothschilds, for economic gain.

“Does anyone seriously suppose that a great war could be undertaken by any European state, or a great state loan subscribed if the house of Rothschild and their connections set their face against it?” These accusations that the Rothschilds were unscrupulous, even amoral, financiers may not shock us too much today. But the claims made against them began to take on a more anti-Semitic flavour in Germany after the 1st World War.

In 1919, the German National Socialist Dietrich Eckart asked who had provided the Rothschilds with their fabulous wealth. He blamed the German people. “Who does this? You do it. Nobody but you! That’s right it is your money hard-earned through care and sorrow, which is drawn as if magnetically into the coffers of these insatiable people.”

As one might expect, Adolf Hitler was even more explicitly anti-Semitic. In May 1921, he named the Rothschilds as one of a number of Jewish capitalist groups entirely controlling the socialist press. And in a speech in 1922 he referred to the

“rapacity of the Rothschilds who financed wars and revolutions and brought people into servitude through loans”.
The demise of Hitler and the Nazis did not put an end to the slurs against the Rothschilds. In 1991, TV preacher Pat Robertson wrote a book called The New World Order, in which he claimed that the Rothschilds were “polluted by the occultism of illuminated freemasonry”. Robertson said that Paul Warburg, the architect of the Federal Reserve System was a Rothschild agent.
This idea that the Rothschilds are running a shadowy conspiracy to control the world - perhaps through a cabalistic group known as the Illuminati - is among the most common claims. Other common slurs are that the Rothschilds arranged the murder of President Lincoln because his economic policies would have spoiled their commodity speculations; that they financed the rise of Hitler as a bulwark against the Soviet Union and that they are closely involved with the Catholic Church, the Mafia and the CIA.

It is also claimed that their financial power is not limited to the Rothschild holdings. They are said to be the hidden power controlling other huge banks such as Warburg and Co and Lazard, and the secretive presence behind financiers JP Morgan, Rockefellers, Loeb and co, and Lehmann brothers. They also run, it is claimed, the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve System.

The conspiracy theorists perceive the malign Rothschild hand influencing the destiny of nations. They are blamed for the Boer Wars, the creation of Israel in order to control the oil of the Middle East and the Russian Revolution. They are also plotting, it is said, to monopolise world energy supplies, which explains their holdings in coal, oil and gas.








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Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:17 pm

Here we have 'stormfronters' praising daveys 'work' on the Rothschilds and Zionism.....douchebags of a feather flock together........... thumbs up

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t841159-24/

Re: David Icke: Bring Down the House of Rothschild

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Fruitcake or not, I do agree with him about the problem of the Rothschilds.. Since Icke didn't bother to suggest anything, I'll suggest _Founder_, about the Rothschilds' beginnings in Germany, and _Herzl_, both by Amos Elon.

A short youtube clip of Jews that help to corroborate Icke's point.. As for "shape shifting reptilian aliens" or whatever...,you'll have to check with Alec Baldwin (good youtube clip) on that one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOm5...rec_grec_index

Yes. And, racial traitor or not, I agree with him re the Rothschilds. And I continue to think this video -- and some others of his that I've seen -- can be useful awakeners for our sheeple.

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Icke is definitely onto something.

Oh well - jews are just as dangerous when they are aloof or alarmed - but now that he's alerted them that we're on to them no doubt jews everwhere are shi^^in themselves so we are now dealing with irritable psychopaths with a large smelly log in their pants - thank god they are at least predictable



Latest DM hatchet attempt;

The lizard hybrids Icke believes in include every royal family in Europe, Tony Blair, Barack Obama, Henry Kissinger, Arnold Schwarzenegger and —most mysteriously — the singer Kris Kristofferson.
The list includes plenty of Jews. Although Icke insists he isn’t anti-Semitic but only anti-Zionist, his diatribe against Jewish bankers such as Goldman Sachs and their ‘control of global bloody finance’ has alarming echoes of what the Nazis used to say.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t775533/
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Post  MoMo on Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:28 pm

yo davey!!!! here's a concept foreign to you and your fellow DIFtardians.............impeccable scholarship ; try to comprehend............ thumbs up

The House of Rothschild: The Money’s ProphetsJanuary 30, 2012

http://falsepropagandhi.org/2012/01/30/the-house-of-rothschild-the-money%e2%80%99s-prophets/

In his rich and nuanced portrait of the remarkable, elusive Rothschild family, Oxford scholar and bestselling author Niall Ferguson uncovers the secrets behind the family’s phenomenal economic success.

He reveals for the first time the details of the family’s vast political network, which gave it access to and influence over many of the greatest statesmen of the age.

And he tells a family saga, tracing the importance of unity and the profound role of Judaism in the lives of a dynasty that rose from the confines of the Frankfurt ghetto and later used its influence to assist oppressed Jews throughout Europe.

A definitive work of impeccable scholarship with a thoroughly engaging narrative, The House of Rothschild is a biography of the rarest kind, in which mysterious and fascinating historical figures finally spring to life





http://www.icke-exposed.co.uk/rothschild-myths/the-rothschilds/
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yeah..daveys new code word is: Rothschild Zionists.....he is an insult to intelligence and decency............


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Post  sharky on Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:36 pm

No doubt icke is a phoney......he is a hatemongering fear mongerer. He has never had the moral terpitude to recant his prior antisemitc falsehoods. thumbs up

Selected Quotes Of David Icke

http://www.publiceye.org/Icke/Ickequotes.htm

The quotes below are all taken from David Icke's 1995 book "...and the truth shall set you free". The book was self-published by Icke after his regular publisher refused to print it due to its content.




"In the very late 1800's, a controversial document came to light called the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". I call them the Illuminati Protocols, and I quote many extracts from them in The Robots' Rebellion. Some say they were a forgery made public only to discredit Jews, and I use the term "Illuminati Protocols" to get away from the Jewish emphasis. If they were a forgery, something that is quite possible, what were they a forgery of, and by whom?"

Icke, p.57 [see p. 130 and p. 453, below]




"I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel (for which, given the genetic history of most Jewish people, there is absolutely no justification on historical grounds or any other). They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."

Icke, p. 130




"My use of extracts from the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was too much for political purity to take. It didn't matter that I had emphasised, as I do in this book, that this is not a plot by Jewish people; it didn't matter that I renamed them the "Illuminati Protocols" for the specific reason of getting away from their association with Jewish people; it didn't matter that these Protocols, which came to light in the late 1800's, contain details of the very plan of manipulation which has provably unfolded through the twentieth century."

Icke, p. 453




"The same attitude that suppressed the challenge to the manipulation of World War Two, today sees people vilified and jailed for questioning some of the official versions of the Holocaust in Nazi Germany. If you do that, no one listens to the evidence because this is lost in the tidal wave of vilification and condemnation. If people want to believe that all those who question the official line are Nazis and apologists for the Hitler regime, or anti-Jewish, then they must go ahead and do so. But I'll tell them this. They are kidding themselves, because that isn't true. It simply isn't."

David Icke, "...And The Truth Shall Set You Free", p. 127




"The "Jews" of the Global Elite could not give a damn about Jewish people, as the Germans in the clique could not care less about the German people. To them, the masses of whatever race, colour or country, are a herd of nonentities who are there to be used only as necessary to serve their master --- the Luciferic Consciousness on the Fourth Dimension. The "All-Seeing" Jews, however, and their non-Jewish conspirators, use the smokescreen of "anti-Semitism" and the genuine suffering of real Jews to prevent investigation of their sinister activities. I am convinced that it was this clique which wrote and leaked the Protocols [of the Elders of Zion] and made it look like a plot by Jewish people as a whole. It is not. No, no, no!"

Icke, p. 130




"In Britain, I am told by an extremely reliable source very close to the intelligence organisations that the "far-right" group, Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has been operating in Britain and Europe since at least 1991 and its role is to brand as anti-Semitic anyone who is getting close to the truth of what is going on. What better way to discredit an investigator than to have a "far-Right" group like Combat 18 to praise them?"

Icke, p. 133-134




"...Why do we play a part in suppressing alternative information to the official line of the Second World War? How is it right that while this fierce suppression goes on, free copies of the Spielberg film, Schindler's List, are given to schools to indoctrinate children with the unchallenged version of events. And why do we, who say we oppose tyranny and demand freedom of speech, allow people to go to prison and be vilified, and magazines to be closed down on the spot, for suggesting another version of history."

Icke, p. 135




"The Talmud, the Jewish book of law, contains among other little gems, the following: "Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are no humans, but cattle" (Kerithuth 6b, page 78, Jebhammoth 61); "The non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as Slaves" (Midrasch Talpioth 225); "Sexual intercourse with non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals" (Kethuboth 3b); "The non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sick pigs" (Orach Chaiim, 57, 6a); "The birth rate of non-Jews has to be suppressed massively" (Zohar II, 4b); "As you replace lost cows and donkeys, so you shall replace non-Jews" (Lore Dea 377,1). And so it goes on and on. So how often do the "anti-racist" protesters demonstrate outside Talmudic events. Never. Exactly."

Icke, p. 136




"Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. My friends, it is all about control. It's time to let it go. Jewish people (who, like the rest of us, are evolving consciousnesses which happen to be experiencing a Jewish lifetime), will never be free until they step out of the mental and emotional control of this tiny clique, which uses them in the most merciless ways to advance its own sick and diabolical ambitions, in league with an equally sick clique of non-Jews."

Icke, p. 137




"After the war, the Nuremberg [sic] trials sat in judgement on the Germans. When you look beyond the sanitised history books, you see that those trials were a farce, a calculated exercise in revenge and manipulation, often punishing those without influence to cover the tracks of those who had it... like the Americans on the boards of the U.S.-Nazi cartels and parent companies."

Icke, p. 137




"The Planned Parenthood Federation, which has been supported at every opportunity by George Bush and the manipulating elite, was actually founded in London, at the offices of the British Eugenics Society. You can see that while the names change and the rhetoric may be couched in terms deemed acceptable to public opinion at the time, we are looking at the same unwavering agenda, weaving its way through the decades and the generations. Nazi Germany was but its most famous example. Global centralisation of power, fundamental control of the minds and bodies of the mass population, and the creation of a master race. These are the themes that span the centuries and they still dominate the secret agenda today, which is manipulating our lives."

Icke, p.145




"I stress that I am not attacking Friends of the Earth, Greenpeace, and the environmental movement in general. They have done some good work overall. I am merely pointing out that they can, and are, used to promote the New World Order, mostly (though certainly not in every case), without their knowledge."

Icke, p. 267




"On April 19th, 1995, I believe that the Global Elite, via elements within the U.S. government, the CIA and Mossad, murdered some 168 men, women and children in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City."

Icke, p. 321




"The "mark of the beast", the microchip, is planned to be moved from the smart card to the human body when a story can be hatched to persuade people to accept it. Some researchers suggest that the human barcoding system will include three sets of six digits in the computer - hence 666, "the number of the beast". Once we have agreed to the end of cash and there is no turning back, we will have to accept the microchip implant or we will have no means of purchasing anything when they decide to phase out smart cards."

Icke, p.437




"As this book went to press, I attended a performance of a stage show.... as we sat down all the heads were turning to the back of the arena. Someone was arriving, surrounded by "heavies", amid an explosion of flashing cameras. My friend then came over and solved the mystery: "It's Jimmy Carter" she said. "What?" At that moment, Jimmy Carter, the first Trilateral Commission President of the United States, walked along my row and sat down with his wife...next to me! I shook his hand as he arrived. "Good evening, Mr. President." I just about resisted the temptation to enquire about the health of David Rockefeller. Here was I, a man who had exposed Carter in "The Robots' Rebellion" and even more so in this book, now sitting next to him surrounded by CIA guards. I laughed till I cried. What really struck me was that the energy working through those genuinely committee to the spiritual transformation is so strong that the New World Order has no chance of success. Mr. Rockefeller, Dr. Kissinger, Mr. Carter, et. Al., it's over, my friends. I could have been allocated any seat among the three and a half thousand in the arena. I could have gone to any performance of the show over more than a year. But Ayem and I were there on that night sitting next to that man. Incredible. During the performance I said to Ayem that I felt I was taking energy from Carter's aura. I didn't know exactly what it was, but there was definitely a flow from him to me. By the end of the show I was feeling a little agitated and later I was seriously agitated. In the end I was writhing around on the bed screaming and growling like some crazed animal. Two friends, including Ayem, kneeled beside me projecting love towards me. One level of my consciousness was in total control because I knew what was happening. For maybe 15 to 20 minutes, I was experiencing the consciousness that controls the world and has done so for thousands of years. Its malevolence, hatred, arrogance, anger and lack of positive emotion was utterly stunning."

Icke, pp.501-502




Since the publication of "....and the truth shall set you free", Icke's anti-Semitic and conspiracist writings have continued in the same vein. If anything, they have become even more bizarre with his latest contention that the world is run by an Illuminati conspiracy composed of New World Order powerbrokers who are blood-sucking, child-sacrificing Satanists and are direct genetic descendants of a race of extraterrestrial reptiles capable of changing shapes.



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On Anti-Semitism

http://www.principiadialectica.co.uk/blog/?cat=24

Anyone who doubts the subterranean currents that pulsate beneath the surface of so-called radical critique need to concentrate their gaze harder. Putting aside ‘Tommy’ who has tried to develop an argument with regards the Israel/Palestine question online here at PD, in one post says that ‘Moishe Postone is dirt.’ Postone’s ‘crime’ is to put forward an important explication of how structural anti-semitism works. For this he is described as ‘Dirt.’ Dirt, dust, ash…the Freudian slips of such characters aren’t too hard to guage.

The Protocol’s of the Elders of Zion is sold openly in many market place bookshops and stores across the Middle East. Many are unaware that this ‘book’ is a fake. Or the fact that it is a fake doesn’t matter. As Freud said: Nothing happens by chance.’ Closer to home, a more acceptable form of anti-semitism circulates – from batty MA students with half a dangerous brain, who subscribe to nutloaf David Icke’s ‘ideas’ about the so-called ‘Illuminati.’ Sane people tend to generally laugh at these creeps, but it is a thought through ‘analysis’ and lots of people subscribe to it. Some intelligent people I know who have read Hegel, speak a few languages, well travelled people – nod at it. It especially has purchase in these hollowed out days of near total structural collapse, where working class self-organisation is largely a memory.

Ideas like Icke’s are current in so called ‘esoteric’ circles, where new age spiritualism rubs shoulders with ‘out there’ strains of radicalism. A certain strain of ‘black consciousness’ explicates what they describe as the concept of ‘sankofa’ – in their ‘timeline of history’ the Holocaust did not take place, or is described as ‘a footnote.’ Chilled out, turned on dudes who are working hard to perfect their karma prefer not to mention it, but seething anti-semitism is dressed up as anti-capitalism.

Anyone who doubts this needs to get out of the house more frequently.
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Post  sharky on Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:53 pm

Featured Idiot: David Icke

http://www.fontcraft.com/idiotwars/?p=3672

We’ve profiled some amazing freaks and goofballs in this column, but David Icke sets a new standard for nutty. He may be one of the most ambitious of conspiracy nuts, going beyond normal levels of delusion and paranoia to offer us a unified theory of global conspiracies, with all the various paranoid fantasies favored by others united into one giant conspiracy. Sure, he hates the Jews for being the secret masters of the world, but they’re just the front men. Behind them are alien intelligences which ontrol everything and have guided human evolution. But wait, there’s more. Apparently there are also reptilian alien shapeshifters from another planet and/or another dimension living among us, breeding with us and stealing our natural resources and feeding on our fear and emotions.

Ok, so Icke is a clinical paranoid delusional case. What’s really scary is that he has apparently gained some legitimacy with the far right political fringe and there are people who are politically active who take some of what he spews seriously. Many on the conservative fringe pick up on Icke’s anti-globalism and seem to get drawn into his whole rather intricately developed cosmology, including the ever-present clown prince of the fringe, Alex Jones. Apparently it’s just a few steps from the Queen of England running the drug trade to reptilian aliens using mind control to feed off of our life energy. But it’s enough for now to point out that Icke is as nuts as they come, and if you run into one of his followers head in the opposite direction as quickly as possible.

If Icke ever starts making sense to you, just remind yourself that the TV show “V” was a work of fiction and not a good basis for a personal philosophy.

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1.Pierre V. Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
I totally agree & mind you naive people read more psychiatry(start whit DSMIV & ICD10)books than Icke’s books to understand the nature of this man’s persecutory & schizophrenic delusions.But the fact that people would take this man seriously is VERY SCARY TO ME!(NOT CAUSE I’M A REPTILIAN HAHA).Now in the ancient texts you would find a lot of fairy tale ellements taken as real e.g. Homer’s works.

2.Jojo Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:15 am
I agree with you about Icke and do wonder how he has acquired such a following. But the only people I’ve spoken to who agreed with him were far left of center. It seems possible that he has tapped into the fringe group that the late Robert Anton Wilson attracted with his conspiracy theories; lunatics who cannot be defined as right or left, but perhaps as simply the Lunatic Party. Is there such a group?
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