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Post  true lilly on Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:42 am

Andrew Bolt
Friday, February 10, 2012 at 12:02am

Senator Arthur Sinodinos, formerly John Howard’s chief of staff,
has checked the ASIO files on Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon
and compared it with what Rhiannon claims.

And in a powerful speech to the Senate, he says:

In preparing for this, I was reminded of a quote
from the Spanish-American philosopher
George Santayana
that those who cannot remember the past
are condemned to repeat it…

Senator Rhiannon,
if you were not a neo-Stalinist, what were you?

Are the Greens just another front for you
and your Eastern bloc claque?

You owe the Senate and
the people of New South Wales and Australia
a full and frank explanation of all these matters.

Read on for Sinodinos’s speech:

Senator SINODINOS (New South Wales) (13:00):
I rise on a matter of public interest to do with my colleague Senator
Rhiannon and ASIO. In March 2010, in two speeches to the New South Wales
Legislative Council, the then Lee Rhiannon sought to discredit ASIO’s
surveillance of and files on her, claiming that they were riddled with
errors. Shortly afterwards, the questionable claims in her speeches were
reported as fact in a breathless newspaper article entitled ‘ASIO
spooks spied on little girls’. Thus Lee Rhiannon, who at the time was
vying for the Senate, was attempting to inoculate against objective
coverage of her 800-page ASIO file which had just been released by the
National Archives. In a blog on 3 September 2010 entitled ‘Responding to
attacks on my family and political background’, the now Senator
Rhiannon revisited the same theme while giving rose tinted accounts of
her early activism.

I have looked at Lee Brown, aka Gorman, aka Rhiannon’s ASIO files and I
must say I am impressed with their thoroughness and the obvious skill
involved in their compilation. While ASIO’s intelligence was not
perfect, as is to be expected, it was much, much better than Senator
Rhiannon has made out. Senator Rhiannon claims that ASIO’s ‘biggest
howler’ was ‘the assertion that I studied motor mechanics at UNSW’. This
is disingenuous. In fact, the ASIO report on the Young Socialist
League’s Marxist coaching seminar states that, ‘Lee Brown made the
general remark that she is studying motor mechanics at the University of
New South Wales, where she is currently employed as a lecturer’. ASIO
were not making that assertion; it was ASIO reporting Lee Brown’s own
words, a significant distinction I would have thought, since elsewhere
ASIO accurately record her university studies.

Recently it was disclosed that on 19 January 1970, as an 18-year-old
embarking on a voyage to the UK on the Russian vessel Shota Rustaveli,
Lee Brown was appointed to meet one Vladimir Alekseev from the Soviet
Embassy in cabin 190 on J-deck, where he would wait for her. An ASIO
intelligence file reveals that, when arranging this meeting, Alekseev
said that he was calling on behalf of one Ivan Stenin. An ASIO telephone
intercept reveals that the previous month Stenin had contacted
Rhiannon’s father who was intending to travel abroad before his daughter
by air to England, Switzerland and Russia. We now know of ASIO’s
conclusion that Stenin was a senior intelligence officer, and that many
believe that Vladimir Alekseev was the KGB station chief or ‘rezident’
at the Soviet Embassy in Canberra.

It is therefore timely to examine Senator Rhiannon’s ASIO file and to
test some of her other claims. In her 2010 blog she claimed that there
was no expectation she would follow in her parents’ political footsteps.
But in truth Senator Rhiannon was an in-vitro communist. According to
Mark Aarons, he and Lee Brown were ‘red-diaper babies’, a term by which
the Communist Party of Australia members affectionately referred to the
children of communists destined to inherit their parents’ political
genes. Rhiannon has perpetuated the line that ASIO began spying on her
when she was seven, because an ASIO precis-history of her activity has a
one-line record of her at a Tribune picnic in 1958. I think we can
assume that ASIO at the time was more interested in Rhiannon’s parents
and other communists than they were in Lee, precocious though she may
have been.

In fact, the first item in Senator Rhiannon’s ASIO file is a clipping
from an April 1955 edition of the CPA’s Tribune headlined ‘Kiddies’ big
part in May Day’, showing three-year-old ‘little Lee Brown’ dabbling at a
sign saying, ‘For me—Ban that H-bomb’ in preparation for the upcoming
May Day march. I am sure that ‘little Lee’ was oblivious to the Soviet
Union’s possession of the H-bomb which they had successfully tested two
years earlier. Rhiannon also claims ASIO inaccurately noted that she was
a founding member of the Eureka Students Organisation, in one stroke
glossing over her involvement with this organisation which was the CPA’s
youth wing, described by her father as being like the Pioneers. In its
heyday, the Pioneers was an international organisation for children,
operated by the Communist Party, which promoted sports and outdoor
skills while teaching communist principles. In actuality, Rhiannon’s
ASIO files record the application to attend the Junior Eureka League’s
1964 summer camp at age 13, her election as treasurer of the Junior
Eureka League’s South Sydney branch in 1965, her graduation from JEL and
her role as a Pioneer of the Souths branch.

By age 14, Lee was demonstrating against the Vietnam War. At 15, ASIO’s
files show she took part in a rowdy Eureka CPA protest against Prime
Minister Holt, participated in other protests, marches and communist
social functions, and attended a CPA Sydney district meeting. By age 16,
the ASIO files indicate that Lee did clerical work at CPA headquarters
during her school holidays. They also show that she was involved in
pamphleteering high schools, involved in Secondary Students for
International Tolerance and Equality and organising an anti-Vietnam War
peace ride to Canberra.

What the headline ‘ASIO spooks spied on little girls’ overlooks is that
the communists of the day did indoctrinate and attempt to use young
people and others
to further Soviet ambition, a fact ASIO was well aware
The truth is that by the time Senator Rhiannon was 18, embarking
the Shota Rustaveli for the UK and who knows where else, she was a
hardened communist. It is easy to forget—and people born since may not
even appreciate—that during the Cold War the CPA was part of the
Comintern or Communist International which owed its loyalty to Moscow
and was dedicated to the revolutionary overthrow of our democratic
. The CPA received funding and took direction from the Soviet
Union, senior members regularly travelled to and trained in Russia, its
members infiltrated other organisations and agencies while a few were
involved in espionage against their own country, Australia.
In this
connection I note Laurie Aarons’s accusation contained in Mark Aarons’s
book The Family File that Senator Rhiannon’s father, Bill Brown,
procured spies for Ivan Skripov, the Soviet diplomat who was later
declared persona non grata and deported for spying in 1963.
I quote:

… he (Skripov) got onto Bill Brown who started to try
and get some people, and in fact, he got one or two people. I don’t
know what happened. It’s wrong in principle and also stupid to get
involved in that.

After the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, which the CPA had
criticised, the Soviets began courting Dick Dickson, Claude Jones and
Bill Brown to overthrow those in the CPA who had deviated from the
Moscow line. Dixon and Jones apparently refused. Jones knocked back the
usual bribery, saying, ‘I was offered any amount of money that I would
like to name from the CPSU’—the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. As
Mark Aarons put it:

As good punters, the embassy hedged its bets… and had
already put money on Bill Brown, who had previously demonstrated his
loyalty by assisting the KGB officer, Ivan Skripov.

This was Bill Brown’s hour. ASIO documents show that the Soviets—Stenin
in particular—had established a clandestine link with Bill Brown outside
of CPA channels and that communications increased dramatically after
the invasion of Czechoslovakia. Given all the above, but in particular
given Bill and Lee Brown’s involvement with the KGB agents Stenin and
Alekseev at exactly this time, is it any wonder ASIO’s director-general
asked British intelligence to be apprised if Lee Brown came to notice in
the UK.

Let us now examine Senator Rhiannon’s initial response to the
Australian’s story about her rendezvous with the KGB agent Vladimir
Alekseev. Firstly, she claimed it was based on ‘inaccurate ASIO
records’. Contrary to her previous claims, the ASIO records are
generally very accurate. Moreover, ASIO’s report of the telephone
intercept of Vladimir Alekseev’s call to her mother, Freda Brown, is
quite detailed. Secondly, she claimed the attempt to associate her
departure on a Russian cruise ship to potential spy activities was
ridiculous. That claim was not made. Thirdly, she said, ‘I’ve never been
a spy and no-one ever attempted to recruit me.’ Again, no-one made that
allegation. The suggestion was that the KGB wanted to cultivate her as a
long-term agent of influence.
Fourthly, she said, ‘Spy reports of me
being involved in clandestine meetings on board the ship are wrong.’ Did
you meet Alekseev or not? Fifthly, Senator Rhiannon played the ingenue,
just a young student, who was involved in some anti-Vietnam war
protests, embarking on a working holiday. I think we have established
she had a much longer rap sheet than that.

Senator Rhiannon may get away with this sort of fudging with her Eastern
bloc comrades in the New South Wales Greens; she cannot get away from
it here. As the Australian noted, Senator Rhiannon dismissed the report
of her rendezvous with Vladimir Alekseev as Cold War delusions but did
not deny the claim.

Finally, yesterday Senator Rhiannon, in a letter to the editor in the
Australian, asserted that to the best of her knowledge she had never met
a Russian spy and never attended a meeting on the ship—not a totally
unqualified denial. There are therefore a number of very serious
questions which Senator Rhiannon must answer. What was her involvement
with KGB agents Ivan Stenin and Vladimir Alekseev? Did she visit any
Eastern bloc countries in 1970-71? If so, which ones, why and precisely
when did she return to Australia? Did she attend the Lenin School during
any of her trips abroad?

In 2010 Senator Rhiannon promised that a full report on her ASIO file
would shortly be placed on her website. She never did this. I encourage
her to do so. It would be helpful to her and to the Senate. Perhaps she
could detail the extent of her involvement in plans to raise money for
North Vietnam, revealed in ASIO’s telephone intercept of 18 May 1972.
Senator Rhiannon may also care to confirm ASIO’s belief that she
authored a caustic letter to the Sydney Morning Herald on 26 February
1974—a fortnight after that giant of letters and human rights of the
20th century Alexander Solzhenitsyn was deported from the USSR and
stripped of his Soviet citizenship after the KGB found his manuscript
for the first part of The Gulag Archipelago. In the letter, one Lee
Brown took issue with the suggestion of Dick Klugman—a former Labor MP
and distinguished member of the lower house—that the Canberra street in
which the Soviet Embassy is situated be renamed Solzhenitsyn Avenue. She
suggested that streets around the US Embassy be renamed Watergate
Boulevard, Rosenberg Road and My Lai Memorial Avenue. The Rosenbergs, of
course, were executed for giving the Soviet Union atomic bomb secrets.

Lastly, in 2010 Senator Rhiannon said she did not support the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. I quote:

… My recollection is that we marched up
New South Head Road to the Soviet Consulate where there were speakers
long into the night ... Personally I did not support the invasion and to
conclude that when I was first getting involved in politics as a
teenager and in my early twenties I backed oppressive violent actions
against people in Czechoslovakia and Poland is ridiculous.

Curiously, ASIO’s extensive surveillance files of protests disclose no
record of Senator Rhiannon protesting the Soviet invasion of
Czechoslovakia. They do, however, disclose the existence of a 1975
document for the Young Socialist League detailing planning by one Lee
Brown for a forthcoming Czechoslovakian delegation tour to Australia. No
doubt she made a personal protest.

I conclude with this question. Senator Rhiannon, if you were not a
neo-Stalinist, what were you? Are the Greens just another front for you
and your Eastern bloc claque? You owe the Senate and the people of New
South Wales and Australia a full and frank explanation of all these
matters. I say to the Greens as a whole that in recent times there have
been disclosures in a magazine, the Monthly, about a so-called rift
within the Greens between the original Greens, who came to the movement
out of a conviction that more needed to be done on the environment, and
other groups which started to join later on. One of those groups came
out of New South Wales. The real issue for the Greens now is the fight
that is going on for the heart and soul of the Greens. The Greens are
split. The Australian people should know that and they should know that
there are people in New South Wales within the green movement who are
seeking to subvert the green movement as a whole. Finally, it has come
to my attention over time that there have been attempts by people on
the Left to ridicule and trivialise the work of ASIO during the Cold War.
ASIO did what they needed to do. I am sure they made mistakes along the
way, but we should not underestimate the threats that we faced. In an
open society
we do need bodies like ASIO
to help protect us against our enemies.

true lilly wrote:So, how many have kept count of all the times
"Billy Ruben", just has to jump in and attack me

How many have figured out what that SAYS ABOUT
"Billy Ruben"?

Particularly as "Billy Ruben" GETS EXTRA ANGRY
when baby fuckers ARE ALSO LINKED TO, 'respected'
positions, like say, THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY.

Speaking of which, how many have noticed that
"Billy Ruben" can't even get my husband's TRADE
OR NAME right, in his desperate efforts to SPIN BS
out of what I actually post?

Makes one wonder WHY "Billy Ruben" is NOT so keen
to 'defend', THE ACTUAL PERSON, but rather, DEFENDS

Interesting to how "Billy Ruben" threatens me with
State and Federal Police for posting MAIN STREAM NEWS
AND ASKING WHY Police have NOT come for that pc
that someone loaded CHILD PORN on, WHILE I WAS

Seems "Billy Ruben" NEEDS the world to believe that
the ONLY CORRUPT Police, are those "Billy Ruben"
'claims' to be 'fighting', NOT THOSE PROTECTING

New twist in corrupt NSW cop case

by:By Vincent Morello

February 09, 2012

THE sentencing of a corrupt NSW cop
due has been delayed by new information
that a judge has ruled is

so sensitive it must remain secret.

The name of the former detective, known as CL, will also be suppressed.

CL pleaded guilty in July last year to five offences of fraud, aggravated
break and enter, illegally taking information from a police database
lying to the Police Integrity Commission (PIC).

He was due to be sentenced today in Sydney's Downing Centre District Court,
but the start of proceedings was delayed for 40 minutes
lawyers from both sides discussed new information.

They appeared to inform presiding Judge Brian Knox that they agreed
a 30-page document containing the information
was too "sensitive" to become public.

Judge Knox concurred and ordered the document be sealed in an envelope
only to be opened by a judicial officer or at their direction.

Related Coverage

Judge Knox continued CL's strict bail conditions and set a date of March 29 for sentencing.

He also continued an order suppressing the names of witnesses related to the case and any new witnesses.

CL has pleaded guilty to five charges relating to incidents that took place in 2003 and 2004 and admitted to other offences.

He pretended he was conducting police business in order to steal $11,000
from a Sydney man's home and broke into another Sydney home and stole

CL received $3900 for tipping off a suspect facing a police search and
obtained information from a police database about a woman so he could
steal from her.

He also admitted to lying to
the PIC in 2004 about a corrupt relationship he had with another former
police officer and dividing money between him and another person.

In July, he admitted to a raft of other offences
taking bribes,
planning kidnappings,
using his police badge in unauthorised raids and

tipping off a child porn suspect.

Three is unusual, even for the innocent
Andrew Bolt – Thursday, February 09, 12 (06:43 am)

Almost certainly atypical.
Even more certainly damaging to the cause:

AN AUSTRALIAN gay couple
have had their six-year-old son
taken from them by child protection
authorities in Los Angeles
while the FBI and Queensland Police
investigate allegations that they are
members of an
international paedophile ring

A report by the Los Angeles Department of Children and Family
Services says the FBI is also investigating allegations that one of the
men “is suspected of sexually abusing [the child]. They are also
suspected of exploiting [the child] through child pornography and
obtaining [the child] for the sole purpose of exploitation

Among the material in the hands of the department is a video which,
according to the Los Angeles report, shows the son “watching a film of
pornography with another child and speaking in an explicit sexual

The men, who claim to be victims of prejudice in Australia and the US
against gay fathers, have been canvassing support for their cause
in Cairns and in the gay press

The men blame their predicament on innocent
visits to three men
in the US, New Zealand and Germany

who, to their complete surprise,
turned out to be
collectors and producers of
child pornography

“These are three people out of 20 people we know. You never know who you pick...”

That’s a disturbing hit rate, even if the men were innocent.

(No comments.)

but the rest of us, BY THE LAWS 'they' SHOVED DOWN THE WORLD'S THROAT,
have to shut the hell up, about what 'their' "CAUSE" may really be.

And, it seems some DIF members ARE WAKING UP to
to give it a push along...

Evil or Very Mad
tsume wrote:
Moderator of DIF http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=199912

Posted: 07-02-2012, 06:47 PM
Article Originally Posted: Jan 23, 2012 5:16pm EST

Abortion safer than giving birth: study
ftil wrote:
Originally Posted by martg
Who funded it?

Bill Gates Funding Abortion

Buffett gift means millions for abortion

The Population Control Agenda

It is sick, isn't it?

I am shocked about treads on
DI forum.
Pushing pedophilia....
pushing abortion......

What will be next?

Originally Posted by ftil

I totally agree. As Antiarchonist
said on Logic and Intuition = Balance tread, "The fact that we coexist
with what I would prefer to call the psychopathic species is the main
Very frustrating, indeed. I should never happen on DI forum.

Oh, I have just checked that pedophile tread was deleted. Thanks mods.

I guess, it is good to be mad like hell.........sometimes
I said thanks ...much to early.
Well, the tread

I Dont See Anything Wrong With Pedophilic Thoughts
wasn't deleted.

people who voiced their strong protest
aginst a pedophile member ...
were called "pitch-fork herd mentality."
by a mod.

Black is white and white is black.
Welcome to a brave new world.
true lilly wrote:Home and other Dotcom assets seized
by: By Alastair Bull in Auckland
From: AAP
February 09, 2012 10:58AM

A CAR, jewellery, jetskis and a $4.3 million home
are among the latest items of Kim Dotcom's to be seized
by the New Zealand Government's Official Assignee.

home has been seized, along with other items, following a court order
made on February 1 made after it was sought by United States

"It included a further vehicle, some items of
jewellery, jetskis and a property that borders what is called the Dotcom
mansion," Guy Sayers of the Official Assignee told NZ Newswire.

Mr Sayers says it followed an earlier order made for the seizure of assets when Dotcom was arrested in January.

He confirmed Dotcom's wife Mona, who is seven months' pregnant with twins, would not be asked to leave.

was able to buy the 2.16 hectare home in Coatesville, north of
Auckland, after being refused permission to buy the neighbouring $30
million Dotcom mansion by the Overseas Investment Office after failing the "good character" test.

Related Coverage

Dotcom, the founder of the Megaupload website, and three colleagues,
Finn Batato, Bram van der Kolk and Mathias Ortmann,
were arrested last month on internet piracy charges laid by the US Government.

It is alleged the group amassed $NZ216 million in criminal proceeds through the website.

Dotcom, a German national, was denied bail after two hearings after judges ruled he was a significant flight risk.

All four are due to be the subject of an extradition hearing later this month.
Dotcom's bodyguard Wayne Tempero reappeared in North Shore District Court today, facing charges of possession of a pistol for an unlawful purpose.
He had previously vowed to fight firearms charges.
The NET...
...God did warn (and I kept reminding),
"you" would be caught by the net "you" set for others...

CHILDREN DON'T 'forget'!
IT'S IS NOT 'o.k'!



Ballarat thief helps police catch bigger crook

February 08, 2012

A THIEF in Ballarat has been praised for turning himself in so police could catch an even bigger criminal.

The man, who can't be identified for legal reasons,
stole two mobile phones in Ballarat, northwest of Melbourne,
but turned up at the nearest police station
when he saw one of the devices had images of
child pornography.

While he was charged with theft after coming forward, his actions also allowed police to arrest and charge a 46-year-old man.

The thief won high praise from a magistrate and even the state's police
chief this week when his own case came before the courts.

The man pleaded guilty in Ballarat Magistrates Court to breaking into a car
and stealing the phones last October.

Taking into account guilty pleas for other charges he was facing, the
magistrate handed down an ultimate sentence of one month in jail and a $400 fine.

Police fear child porn epidemic in Australia

February 08, 2012

Child porn epidemic

Child pornography in Australia has hit epidemic proportions according to the Australian Federal Police.

CHILD pornography is running at epidemic proportions
in Australia with

the abusive material
being used as currency by pedophiles
to buy their way into online groups.

Australian Federal Police (AFP) have told Fairfax that where once
there might have been hundreds of images on a suspect's computer, there
are now hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions, of images of young
children being molested.

The AFP's cybercrime unit head, Assistant
Commissioner Neil Gaughan, said that although there might have been no
increase in the number of adults sexually assaulting children, the
attacks are being recorded and uploaded onto the internet.

"There's no empirical evidence of an increase in child abuse, but we're seeing
an increase in the number of violent images that clearly have not been
commercially made," Mr Gaughan told Fairfax.

There was was a 30 per cent jump - from 136 to 180 - in the number of Australians
arrested by federal police for child pornography offences last year
compared with

Killer who stabbed love rival
beats ban to work with children

by:Padraic Murphy
From:Herald Sun
February 08, 2012

A MAN who stabbed a love rival to death
has used legal aid to overturn a ban on working with children.

The man stabbed a former friend to death after sleeping with his victim's partner and giving her heroin.

He is at least the second convicted killer to succeed in overturning Department of Justice Working with Children bans.

More than 40 Category One sex offenders have successfully fought the bans since vetting began in 2006.

The trend has prompted the Government to review the appeal process at VCAT.
Department of Justice opposed the granting of a Working with Children
Check in this application," a spokesman said yesterday.

"The department is assessing VCAT's decision and seeking legal advice on any grounds for further review."

We must protect the child

Police fear child porn epidemic

The man - listed in VCAT under a pseudonym - stabbed his former friend
in in a scuffle over the woman at her St Kilda flat in 1988. Then
28, he was charged with murder but convicted of manslaughter. He was
jailed for six years by a judge who said he had killed so his friend
"would pay for his interference with your pleasures".

After his release, the man was convicted of minor dishonesty and drug offences.
He contracted a serious illness in 1997, for which he is still being treated.

He has been a committee member of Straight Arrows, an HIV support charity,
for which he needs a Working with Children permit.

His permit was initially rejected by the Department of Justice in July 2009,
a decision upheld by VCAT.

But he went to the Court of Appeal, which ruled VCAT failed to take into
account the benefit of his
charity work. The case was sent back to VCAT,
which granted a permit last week.
A government spokesman said the check system was under review.

"The Coalition Government is working to fix a range of problems that have
become apparent with the current Working with Children Check appeal
he said.

The man refused to comment yesterday.

Yes, lots of News "Billy Ruben" gets insensed to hear.
The BUSTS, NOT The Crimes:
and more at those links.

Rather telling to, that "Ms. Hope" at DIF ran mega threads
on all 'those' 'rich and powerful' 'getting away with it', but
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Re: David Icke - The Green Globalist...!!!

Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:08 am

Funny, I post this (below), go to David Icke Official Forums,
and there's "tintin's Thread",
"The NEWS Behing The NEWS,
near the top of the 1st page of "Today's News",
with last post by "dixie d",
and I go to that last page, scroll down and
and it's ALL "tintin's" posts for the last two pages.

So I go back to the last page, still "tintin".
Go back to "Today's News", and "tintin's'
"The NEWS Behind The News" is NOT there,
or the next page, but way down on the 3rd.

"This Post should be cut and pasted on every blog ...EXCELLENT"

Read ALL 3 Pages of the comments:

Les replied to Rock spider
Thu 09 Feb 12 (08:17am)
Abraham (aka Rock Spider) said:
“However what moral absolute, in a society without absolutes,
prohibits rationalising relationships with children?”

ANSWER: A shotgun.

“There are no moral absolutes so I’m doing what’s right by me.”

ANSWER: Me too. Look to the answer above.

“Every person reading this and other blogs will know
there are no moral absolutes in Australia....
Thus is the argument with which many
paedophiles rationalise their depravity.

Accusing them of depravity
will elicit a response of “Depraved for whom?
Morality is relative remember.”

ANSWER: No, it is not. A standard load of double-aught removes the relativity.

As a side note: whether you are Abraham, or Rock Spider -
you have selected the wrong subject to intellectualize.
I think I understand what you are trying to say -
but I am not going to discuss the subject.
The only discussion I am ever going to have
someone who tries to rationalize paedophilia
or with a paedophile
is in the manner already discussed above.

Laura replied to Rock spider
Thu 09 Feb 12 (02:40pm)
Formerly A Political,
Rock Spider has
a slippery piece on moral relativism.

have a way of writing in code.

They have a way of lumping certain things together
and telling you they’re on your side
as they jumble around with terms
and ask too cute by half questions like;
‘am I being intolerant and judgemental?’

Before you know it, you end up accepting that sixties flower children

belong in the same theoretical category as ‘sexual relationships with children’.

Paedophiles work subtly and sublimely.

They know how to groom children and they appear to know how to groom bloggers.

Do I know absolutely that Rock Spider is a paedophile? Of course not!

But I do recognise something in his writing
because I have read it before

and it’s been written by child rapists
who call themselves ‘boy lovers’.

Read ALL 3 Pages of the comments:
true lilly wrote:
The teacher.
Picture: Trevor Pinder
Herald Sun

Porn teacher should leave
From:Herald Sun
February 10, 2012 12:00AM

A teacher at Oberon High School in Geelong is being investigated

over a online sex video with a past student.
Picture: Tess Follett
Herald Sun

FAILURE to deal with a Geelong high school teacher who made a porn
video with a former student that has gone viral on the internet should
be the subject of an inquiry in itself.

Not only are the parents of students at the school threatening to
withdraw their children if the teacher stays, other teachers are
threatening to walk out.

By any reasonable reading of
the Code of Conduct of the Victorian Institute of Teaching,

the teacher should be dismissed
or transferred.

But the code can be used only as a guideline and
teaching authorities
more concerned
the teacher did not inform them
he had a second job
running a shop
with his porn co-star.

Under the code, teachers are advised
"not to draw students into their personal agendas".

The code also advises teachers to "be positive role models at school and in

the community" and to "ensure that their personal or financial interests
do not interfere with the performance of their duties".

Education bureaucrats and the Government remain silent about what is a 20-minute sexual performance in front of several cameras.

But it is parents, not prudes,
who regard a teacher having sex with a former student,

who is blindfolded
, as failing to uphold the moral standards
they are trying to impart to their children.

Sexualisation of children on the internet is an increasing issue for parents and,

while not every teenager at the school might have seen the video, it is readily accessible.

Common sense would dictate that the teacher should not have engaged in internet sex

with his former student, with whom he is now in a relationship.

The porn video has started what has become a sometimes vicious exchange of comments

on the internet.

The girl shown having sex with her former teacher told the
Herald Sun:
"I don't think we have done anything wrong." But nothing wrong does not excuse
the actions of the teacher, who has made their couplings an extra-curricular subject.

I’m not the least bit surprised that the AFP are finding a huge increase in paedophilia and porn.

Such are the networking and the positions of power held in the community
by many of those involved, that it’s almost impossible for the worst
of them to be exposed.

I recently re-read the Kimmins Report into allegations of paedophilia in
QLD through the 80s and 90s, and came away from it once again feeling
that the Report had pre-conceived conclusions that the insider network
was ready and could always be relied upon to ensure----that the
complaints and allegations are all a beat-up.

It appears to me that this inquiry, like all of the sham inquiries
in Labor’s QLD, was just another of QLD’s CJC [ Labor lawyers] lapdog’s


The conclusions were of course that most of the allegations and evidence
, if not all, were just ‘urban myth’ or misconceived or trumped
up---or derived from some personal angst or prejudices in those
providing the information---case after case after case.

Those making submissions were
made out to be fools or to have ‘problems’---evidence went missing etc.

I believe it was just another of those inquiries in the dark and
degenerate QLD Labor creates, that are designed to actually prevent the
truth from emerging and to intimidate those who might be considering
tryin g to find out the truth in the future.

In QLD, the same Labor-connected people turn up in paedophilia -related
inquiries, finding nothing wrong, and thereby discrediting and
character-assassinating the people providing information, as in
mysterious issues peripheral to Heiner .

One curious issue involves a senior Labor-connected Queensland police
‘untouchable ‘, John Huey, and his encounters with Gordon Harris,
former police officer and now, I believe, lawyer acting for Annette,
the victim in the pack rape case at the centre of the Heiner
matter---and Morris and Howard.

Huey was one of the Fitzgerald inquiry’s Star investigators into the
Premier at the time, Joh Bjelke Petersen, and is therefore regarded by
Labor as ‘untouchable’.

Gordon Harris and another officer, Reynolds, investigated Huey’s
prosecution of a tow truck driver in the 1980s , and alleged that Huey
had fabricated evidence---a crime that carried a one to seven year’s
jail sentence ---and had perjured himself in the process.

The tow truck driver was acquitted and released a tape of a conversation
that raised doubts about the veracity of Huey’s evidence to the court.

Harris and Reynolds charged Huey, or tried to, but Huey refused to receive the summons.

Harris and Reynolds then took the evidence to the CJC and lodged an official complaint.

The Crown Prosecutor promptly withdrew the summons against Huey, Huey
demoted the two detectives, Harris and Reynolds to uniform status, and
both subsequently left the police force, after the CJC aggressively
pursued Harris over a minor administration charge.

Before leaving, Harris , when working in the police property-holding
section, found Huey’s diaries which supported the allegations Harris and
Reynolds had made to the CJC.

The CJC then again targeted Harris on an old illegal firearms charge that had been dropped.

This was around the same time as the Heiner affair, and cover-up, and
the Assistant Commissioner was Neil Comrie [ later Victorian Police
Commissioner, who resigned that post two years early, when a book
claiming that Comrie had protected Huey was published]. I think Comrie
was Assistant Commissioner in QLD when the killing related to the
Heiner affair went strangely uninvestigated too----and the Commissioner
at the time was out of the loop.

It’s on record that Comrie had spoken of the Huey issue, opining to CJC
colleagues about ‘the Harris issue raising its ugly head again’ ---that
Harris was a problem, and they were going to have to do something about it.

Then , in 1996, Morris and Howard [that’s Tony Morris QC, who , although
in a cryptic way, assisted Hedley Thomas in his attack on Piers and his
readers in the 2007 election period ] came into the situation to
undercut Harris and Reynolds, releasing their report on the Heiner
shredding and the one on the Harris and Reynolds allegations to State
Cabinet, in the same week.

Morris and Howard supported DPP Royce Miller QC’s decision not to charge
Huey on the five counts of fabrication of evidence, and they
recommended that no further inquiry be undertaken.

Royce Miller QC---a Goss appointment as DPP---seemed to have a lot of
leverage with the Borbidge government. The Kimmins deliberations give a
hint as to why that might be so.

Morris and Howard also said they would provide Cabinet with a secret
report, saying , ‘It is our intention that this separate confidential report
should forever remain confidential, for the reasons which we haveidentified’.

I would really like to know where Tony Morris QC stands with regard to
the concept of equality before the law and executive government placing
itself above the law and doing so with impunity due to assistance from
various levels of governance, law enforcement and the legal fraternity.

I would like to see his views on the Heiner affair expressed as
comprehensively , if necessarily cryptically, as his views on Patel and
QLD Health were expressed in---


When the Connolly-Ryan inquiry was set up to comprehensively examine the
operations of the CJC, the CJC applied to the Supreme Court of QLD and
the inquiry was shut down due to alleged apprehended or actual bias on
the part of Connolly.

And when the message is further mixed by the latte Left’s fawning
over the efforts of the photographer, whose images---some of them at
least---unmistakably suggest child sexual abuse as dark as his
celebrated photographs---what chance is there for children?

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Post  sharky on Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:42 am

lilly, why did you spam this thread with your off topic ego driven bullshit?

Oh yeah..ego.....not getting enough attention............ thumbs up

Narcissistic Personality Disorder


Narcissistic Personality Disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), an overwhelming need for admiration, and usually a complete lack of empathy toward others. People with this disorder often believe they are of primary importance in everybody's life or to anyone they meet. While this pattern of behavior may be appropriate for a king in 16th Century England, it is generally considered inappropriate for most ordinary people today.

People with narcissistic personality disorder often display snobbish, disdainful, or patronizing attitudes. For example, an individual with this disorder may complain about a clumsy waiter's "rudeness" or "stupidity" or conclude a medical evaluation with a condescending evaluation of the physician.

In laypeople terms, someone with this disorder may be described simply as a "narcissist" or as someone with "narcissism." Both of these terms generally refer to someone with narcissistic personality disorder.

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

•Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
•Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
•Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
•Requires excessive admiration
•Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
•Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
•Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
•Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
•Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
As with all personality disorders, the person must be at least 18 years old before they can be diagnosed with it.

Narcissistic personality disorder is more prevalent in males than females, and is thought to occur in less than 1 percent in the general population.

Like most personality disorders, narcissistic personality disorder typically will decrease in intensity with age, with many people experiencing few of the most extreme symptoms by the time they are in the 40s or 50s.

considering you already posted this 'info' in numerous other threads, why don't you do the decent thing and delete it......it is off topic......... thumbs up


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Post  mugglez on Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:02 pm



The issue of NewAgeFascism has recently been placed under the spotlight by various concerned parties, the most notable of these have been Open Eye Magazine (who have done much valuable work in exposing David Icke - more of this later) and a new book called "Ecofascism - Lessons from the German Experience". Whilst not being the greatest work ever published (it's too simplistic/sparse and certain parts display a suspiciously unobjective admiration for Murray Bookchin - further investigation revealed that one of the authors just happens to be his wife...) it provides an introduction to a serious and previously neglected issue.

Ecofascism can be loosely defined as the mixing of concepts such as organic farming, vegetarianism and nature worship with racism and and nationalism; this mixture is not new - first appearing in nineteenth century Germany. "New Age" nazism (currently mainly personified by David Icke) uses some "green" ideas in conjunction with conspiricist theories and derivations from various pseudo-occult traditions, most notably Theosophy.

The green movement in this country is large and extremely diverse, incorporating many different groups and factions ranging from Direct Activists to FoE/Greenpeace/Green Party to a variety of New Age/mystical types - a very wide range of ideas, theories and practices come under the general heading of "green". There are no set divides betwen the various groupings and a certain degree of crossover exists.

It would be safe to say that the most important of the above - the direct action eco-movement, i.e "Earth First!" has to its credit now probably developed a strong enough commitment to social justice and genuinely libertarian and anti-authoritarian ideas and acivities for it not to be susceptible to Ecofascism. Exceptions to this may be some mystical greens (see below). There are however a number of other petty authoritarian factions within the Direct Action movement who don't quite deserve the label of fascist; these include the "vegan police" and ideological pacifists both of whose problems are self-explanatory.

It is however within the "New Age" movement that fascism is the biggest problem. Fascist tendencies have always been present within it but due to the naivety of many of its adherents these have gone largely unchallenged/noticed. A prime example of this is the enduring popularity of Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy in alternative circles in this country as well as in Germany and America. This ideology mixes bizarre racialist spiritual theory (which somewhat unsurprisingly concludes that European whites are at the summit of the heirarchical scale of humanity) with concepts such as "biodynamic farming", a form of organic agriculture which "tries to foster a more organic relationship between cultivator and soil." Many ideas current within mystical green circles have a very similar conceptual basis to those of classical Fascism (i.e. the German, Italian and Spanish models). Examples of this include a desire to return to an idealised mythical "golden age" - in this case Celtic, the celebration of "feelings" and emotions (i.e. of collectivity and unity) over reason and the cultural appropriation of pagan rituals and symbols.

The problem has become much more acute recently with the emergence of groups such as Rainbow Ark, and more populist figures such as David Icke. Icke may be a figure of fun to those who recall his "turquoise" and "godhead" phases, but his ideas have recently taken a much more sinister direction; he has successfully managed to repackage and overtly (notably "Jewish conspiracy" theories ) into a theory that has proved highly popular amongst New Agers who consider him a sort of guru. In his books called "The Robot's Rebellion" and "....and the truth shall set you free" he attacks electoralism and capitalism - at first glance a praiseworthy exercise but on the grounds that it is a global conspiracy involving a Jewish elite and the "All Seeing Eye" cult !!!! . Unfortunately his followers, the vast majority of whom are New Agers (Although it should be noted that members of the nazi group C18 have turned up at his meetings) don't appear to be able or willing to recognise Icke for what he is - a fascist. Even when publicly confronted with statements such as "A Jewish clique worked to create the First World War, the Rusian Revolution and the Second World War." they have a disturbing tendency to deny his blatant racism and anti-semitism.

Certain aspects of the "New Age" are not holistic or benign but pure poison and should be attacked and discredited at every available opportunity. This is particularly important as more people then ever are turning to New Age spirituality and conspiricism in an escapist search for answers and scapegoats to explain or forget the misery of their everyday lives. Unfortunately there aren't any answers to be found in crystal gazing (crystals which incidentally if shopbought are likely to have been mined by multinationals such as RTZ who are engaged in wholesale devastation of the Third World) or infantile conspiracy theories. The reality of the situation is that we live in an openly exploitative and oppressive society and until people recognise that the answer to the riddle of their dead lives lies in practical struggle people will look to scum like Icke peddling their shit as a solution.

Ecofascism, Lessons From the German Experience by Janet Biehl and Peter Staudenmaier is published by AK Press and is available from them or the usual lefty bookshops.

For more info on David Icke etc. contact Open Eye at BM Open Eye, London, WC1 3XX

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Post  true lilly on Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:57 pm

true lilly wrote:As this following image was put together by the like of
"Ciggy" the mega-bs-artists who's well paid careers
are to shove this sort of bs down the world's throat

via the GLOBAL ANTIsocial Twittering Media,
it would be wrong to leave 'that name', "Ciggy" out of this,

Column -
Open your eyes. Where’s that warming?

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Andrew Bolt Blog
Andrew Bolt
Wednesday, February 01, 2012 at 07:14am

IT’S a bright new year, so let’s see how the great global warming scare is panning out, shall we?

First, the planet hasn’t actually warmed for a decade—or even 15 years,
according to new temperature data from Britain’s Met Office.

Hmm. That’s not what global warming scientists predicted.

Or look out of your window.

The rain that Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery said in 2007 “isn’t
actually going to fill our dams and river systems” any more has just
flooded New South Wales and Queensland again.

The Bureau of Meteorology,which three years ago warned “we are just not
going to have that sort of good rain again”, now admits last year was
our third-wettest on record.

The snowfalls that the University of East Anglia in 2000 said would soon
become “a very rare and exciting event”
are falling as hard as ever.

The monster hurricanes we were told to expect by Nobel Prize winner Al Gore are coming no more often.

The massive coral bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef, that warmist
Prof Ove Hoegh-Guldberg
predicted would occur every second year from 2010,
hasn’t hit in years.

Wherever you look it’s the same wake-up-to-yourself story.

Sea levels have recently dipped, the oceans have lately cooled, Arctic
ice has not retreated since 2007, polar bear numbers are increasing,
global crop yields keep rising and now some solar scientists warn not of
warming, but cooling.

So how do the warming activists respond to increasing evidence
contradicting their theory that our carbon dioxide emissions are heating
the world dangerously?

Simple. They close their eyes.

Take Prof Naomi Oreskes, the author of Merchants of Doubt who famously tried to prove that not one scientific paper dissented from the global warming “consensus”.

Last week she complained people still “cling to the idea that it is
reasonable to maintain an open mind”, and insisted: “It isn’t.”

To have an academic demand a closed mind on global warming is a shock.
It shows she’s talking not about science but a faith.

Yet her view is depressingly echoed by much of the media, which for
years has whipped up the warming scare, refusing to report on scientists
who queried it, and demonising the open-minded as “deniers”.

They, too, believe a closed mind—and closed ears—is how to deal with inconvenient truths I’ve listed.


I once mentioned on the ABC TV’s Insiders that the warming had paused, only to be heckled by one panellist while the other, The Sydney Morning Herald’s David Marr, theatrically buried his head in a newspaper.

Not listening, la la la la la.

What has made the deliberate know-nothingness of such journalists so
damaging is that in no other country has the media spruiked the warming
creed so hysterically.

Warmist researchers from the Centre for Science and Technology Policy
Research at the University of Colorado in Boulder have counted how often
50 papers around the world mentioned “global warming” or “climate
change” and found that in every year from 2006 to 2011 our own beat the

But see how some of the most obsessed outlets—especially The Age and
ABC—resist reporting evidence that the late 20th century warming blamed
on man’s gases has halted, and few of the catastrophic consequences
predicted have happened.

Man’s gases do affect the climate is some small way, but not necessarily
for the worst and certainly not by as much as natural influences—some
of which may have us heading for cooling.

Henrik Svensmark, director of the Centre for Sun-Climate Research at
Denmark’s National Space Institute, investigates the effects of the sun
and cosmic rays on our climate, and last week said a recent cut in the
sun’s output could soon reverse any man-made warming: “World
temperatures may end up a lot cooler than now for 50 years or more.”

Who knows if he’s right? Best keep an open mind on this and on man-made warming.

Or, as Harvard University physicist Mike Stopa warned last week: “It is
possible that CO2 has effectively no influence on global climate.”

And he asked: “Suppose it turns out that CO2 has essentially nothing to do with the Earth’s climate.

“How will the history of this colossal mistake be written?”

The great jellyfish scare goes bung, too

“The ETS is bust, it’s dead”

“How will the history of this colossal mistake be written?”

"will"? our 'Future History' IS WRITTEN,
including the warnings of what we will suffer
for denying and ignoring it.

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OBERON...and how 'they' FORCE The GREENIE Agenda

Suspect pig
true lilly wrote:Funny, I post this (below),
go to David Icke Official Forums,
and there's "tintin's Thread",
"The NEWS Behind The NEWS,
near the top of the 1st page of "Today's News",
with last post by "dixie d",
and I go to that last page, scroll down and
and it's ALL "tintin's" posts for the last two pages.

So I go back to the last page, still "tintin".
Go back to "Today's News", and "tintin's'
"The NEWS Behind The News" is NOT there,
or the next page, but way down on the 3rd.

"This Post should be cut and pasted on every blog ...EXCELLENT"

Read ALL 3 Pages of the comments:

Les replied to Rock spider
Thu 09 Feb 12 (08:17am)
Abraham (aka Rock Spider) said:
“However what moral absolute, in a society without absolutes,
prohibits rationalising relationships with children?”

ANSWER: A shotgun.

“There are no moral absolutes so I’m doing what’s right by me.”

ANSWER: Me too. Look to the answer above.

“Every person reading this and other blogs will know
there are no moral absolutes in Australia....
Thus is the argument with which many
paedophiles rationalise their depravity.

Accusing them of depravity
will elicit a response of “Depraved for whom?
Morality is relative remember.”

ANSWER: No, it is not. A standard load of double-aught removes the relativity.

As a side note: whether you are Abraham, or Rock Spider -
you have selected the wrong subject to intellectualize.
I think I understand what you are trying to say -
but I am not going to discuss the subject.
The only discussion I am ever going to have
someone who tries to rationalize paedophilia
or with a paedophile
is in the manner already discussed above.

Laura replied to Rock spider
Thu 09 Feb 12 (02:40pm)
Formerly A Political,
Rock Spider has
a slippery piece on moral relativism.

have a way of writing in code.

They have a way of lumping certain things together
and telling you they’re on your side
as they jumble around with terms
and ask too cute by half questions like;
‘am I being intolerant and judgemental?’

Before you know it, you end up accepting that sixties flower children

belong in the same theoretical category as ‘sexual relationships with children’.

Paedophiles work subtly and sublimely.

They know how to groom children and they appear to know how to groom bloggers.

Do I know absolutely that Rock Spider is a paedophile? Of course not!

But I do recognise something in his writing
because I have read it before

and it’s been written by child rapists
who call themselves ‘boy lovers’.

Read ALL 3 Pages of the comments:

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OBERON...and how 'they' FORCE The GREENIE Agenda

Suspect pig

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Most recent Heiner Affair articles:

true lilly wrote:I won’t peddle the theories, if they don’t peddle the conspiracies
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 11, 12 (11:22 am)

Look, if global warmists don’t want sceptics to peddle conspiracy
theories about a “one world government”, it would help a lot if
they didn’t have something like it on the drawing board:

<blockquote>At a closed-door retreat in a Long Island mansion
late last October, United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and his
topmost aides brainstormed about how the global organization could benefit from a “unique opportunity” to reshape the world, starting with the Rio + 20 Summit on Sustainable Development, which takes place in Brazil in June.

A copy of the confidential minutes of the meeting was
obtained by Fox News. According to that document, the 29-member group,
known as the United Nations System Chief Executives Board for
Coordination (CEB), discussed bold ambitions that stretch for years
beyond the Rio conclave to consolidate a radical new global green
economy, promote a spectrum of sweeping new social policies and build an
even more important role for U.N. institutions “ to manage the process
of globalization better."…

Its members see Rio as the springboard for consolidation of an expanding
U.N. agenda for years ahead, driven by still more U.N.-sponsored global
summits that would, as one participant put it, “ensure that the U.N.
connected with the roots of the current level of global discontent.”

Among other things, the CEB heard Ban’s top organizer, a U.N. Under
Secretary General from China named Sha Zukang, declare that the wish
list for the Rio + 20 meeting, already being touted as a landmark
environmental conclave on the issue of “global environmental
governance,” included making it:
<blockquote> “the catalyst” for solidifying a global economic, social and political agenda, built around “green economy” goals

a means to “reorient public and private decision-making” to make the
world’s poorest people the new economy’s “main beneficiaries,”

a method of also reorienting national decision-making in countries
around the world to put the new agenda “at the heart of national

the occasion to create new bodies, like a U.N. Sustainable
Development Council, similar to the U.N. Human Rights Council, to help
guide the global process further in the years ahead, or give additional
responsibilities to the U.N. Environmental Program (UNEP), the world
body’s chief environmental agency.</blockquote>

Other participants chimed in with additional ideas, including the notion
from one key organizer that “the U.N. in Rio should be the voice of the
planet and its people.”


One World Government? Greens leader Bob Brown would approve:

(Thanks to readers. DERFred, bulmkt and Kathleen.)

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OBERON...and how 'they' FORCE The GREENIE Agenda

Suspect pig

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Most recent Heiner Affair articles:

true lilly wrote:http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/kiddie_porn_horror/P20/
The Pixie Ear-Wax Rudd has announced the appointment of Qld Governor Quentin

Bryce as the next Governor General to replace Jefferies.

Bryce is supposedly a reformed alcoholic and
former President of The Qld Abuised Child Trust.

When presented with the Lindeberg Petition in relation to the Heiner Affair,
Bryce is known to said “it (The Heiner Affair) represents a boil which
cannot be lanced”.

A copy of the Lindeberg Petition can be obtained from the internet and has
been tabled in the Australian Senate and House of Representatives.

The petition included details of the destruction of the Heiner Documents
including details of the pack rape of “Annette”.

This is far worse than the situation involving the Howard government’s
appointment of Archbishop Hollingsworth.

Hollingsworth at no time was facing the prospect of being charged with a
criminal offence. Bryce on the other hand is facing the prospect of criminal
charges. This matter is currently before the Qld PCMC and by an unamious
decision the committee is believed to have requested a further submission
from Mr Lindeberg’s lawyers in relating to a solution to the grave impasse.

It should be noted that when a House of representatives Committee, chaired
by Bronwyn Bishop, looked at the Heiner Affair, including The Lindeberg
Grievance, it recommended the establishment of a Commission of Inquiry
(Royal Commission) and the appointment of a Special Prosecutor to process
the criminal charges.

Mrs Bryce is believed to be one of the sixty five individuals mentioned in
the Rofe Audit. This report was prepared by David Rofe QC a leading Sydney
barrister for Kevin Lindeberg. Mr Rudd is also one of the sixty five
individuals in the audit.


Finally the Liberals will have to bite the bullet and find their balls over
THe Heiner Affair.

tombrown (Reply)
Wed 08 Feb 12 (04:47pm)

Heiner Watcher replied to tombrown
Wed 08 Feb 12 (06:39pm)

All your own work, I see.


tombrown replied to tombrown
Wed 08 Feb 12 (10:05pm)

No, I cant post links for peanuts,but I sure can cut and paste.Never pretended otherwise.
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How yoga can cure killers
by:Alan Howe
From:Herald Sun
February 13, 2012


Julian Knight

Julian Knight (left) is out in two years, the Hoddle Street mass killer's sentence expiring in April 2014.
HWT Image Library

The eccentric and confronting rulings by VCAT should worry anyone
who loves their kids and sees children as our most vulnerable and
valuable asset

JULIAN Knight is out in two years, the Hoddle Street mass killer's inadequate sentence expiring in April 2014.

What might he do? He'll need a job with some flexibility, because he will
have onerous parole requirements befitting a man who shot 26 people,
seven of whom died.

Knight has a bachelor of arts from Deakin University, so he might want to teach.

But he has also taken courses in international studies, French, psychology and even journalism.

The Herald Sun won't hire Knight - I can assure you - but The Spectator might. Last
year it fawningly lauded Australian writer Peter Kocan, even suggesting he might be
fit for a Nobel Prize.

Not a Peace Prize presumably.

There is, after all, the awkward fact that Kocan once took a shotgun,
aimed it at a man's larynx and fired it in an effort to murder him.

By chance, his target survived. But had then federal Opposition leader Arthur Calwell
been killed, it would have been Australia's first political assassination.

Knight's best chance for a job with variable hours allowing him to report to
his local police station (hopefully daily) will be to drive taxis.

Don't laugh. Right now, somewhere in Melbourne, an insane killer is driving cabs.
He won that right from the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal.

Victoria's Director of Public Transport wanted this killer off the roads but VCAT,
perhaps the most dangerous government department in Victoria, knew

often does. You won't believe the killers and drug abusers in which
this unpredictably wayward tribunal sees merit - and whose identities it
keeps from us.

So, you're a
paedophile, have abused kids, and you take drugs? Hey, that's not a
problem. You haven't done it for a while. Sure you can work with

What's that? You killed your stepson? No worries. You do your best with this bunch of kids.
Try not to kill any.

Those are actual cases. This, surely, is justice gone mad and VCAT out of control.

It didn't start off like this. VCAT was formed with bipartisan political
support in the last years of the Kennett government as a way of
streamlining in one authority the responsibilities of bodies such as the
Estate Agents Licensing Authority, Administrative Appeals Tribunal, the
Anti-Discrimination Tribunal, the Domestic Building Tribunal, even the
Prostitution Control Board.

It made some good decisions in the early days: it insisted documents crucial to
the casino tendering process be subject to normal Freedom of Information rules
when the Kennett government tried to keep them secret.

VCAT also sensibly ruled against a woman who wanted the Transport Accident Commission
to fund her psychiatric and medical bills. She had been traumatised by one of the
hard-hitting television ads that depicted events similar to the traffic death of her young son.

Justice Murray Kellam accepted the woman was unwell and that the ad didn't help,
but said it just went to show how effective the TAC campaign was.

But VCAT was capable of eccentric decisions from its earliest days.
Kellam was tribunal president when it supported rogue doctor Ian McGoldrick in 1998.

The Medical Practitioners' Board refused to reinstate McGoldrick after he
had been found guilty of Medicare fraud and treating patients while unlicensed.

VCAT found McGoldrick dishonest, but that the community
should not be deprived of his services. The practitioners' board took this decision to
the Court of Appeal and won, unanimously.

VCAT had "erred in law" the court insisted among other criticisms.

VCAT gets a lot wrong.

Most recently it has developed the habit of overturning Department of
Justice bans on criminals and perverts who wish to work with children.

One convicted paedophile, whose identity has of course been suppressed,
quite rightly failed a Working With Children Check. He appealed to VCAT
which overruled the ban saying the man had been under pressure as a
union delegate. Unions create paedophiles? News to me. I must tell Paul Howes.

Not long after, VCAT again overruled the Department of Justice this time
insisting that a man who punched his stepson so hard the boy died,
was fit to work with children.

The man was charged with murder, but pleaded guilty to manslaughter.
Just who is this monster and is he working with your kids? You are not allowed to know.

By the way, he killed his stepson for refusing to wear a seatbelt.
Just who is overreacting here?

Last year another paedophile refused a licence to work with children
(this guy had also been regularly using ice, cocaine and ecstasy) convinced
VCAT to overturn the decision, the tribunal ruling it was "in the public interest".

Then, last week, more bad news, but predictable: my colleague Padraic Murphy
reported on another killer who had gone to VCAT and convinced it to overrule his ban on working with kids.

At the apex of his 27-year crime spree of theft, drugs and dishonesty, this
fellow stabbed to death a man in an unprovoked, frenzied attack after
having sex with the victim's girlfriend.

He was tried and convicted of murder. At a second trial he was found guilty of manslaughter "more serious than most".

Among other things, VCAT was told that he now "practises yoga". Planning a crime?
I'd keep that one up your sleeve.

VCAT, humiliating the diligent officers at the Department of Justice,
has just decided the bloke is fit and proper to work with children.

Possibly yours.
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Why is this government taking advice from Flannery?

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Andrew Bolt
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 12:08am

The share price performance of Geodynamics, a green power company using geothermal technology spruiked by Climate Change Commissioner Tim Flannery, a long-time shareholder.

GREEN DOT: Flannery declares:

<blockquote>The social licence of coal to operate is rapidly
being withdrawn globally… There are hot rocks in South Australia that
potentially have enough embedded energy in them to run Australia’s
economy for the best part of a century. They are not being fully
exploited yet but
the technology to extract that energy and turn it into electricity is relatively straightforward.

The Rudd Government gives Geodynamics $90 million of your money.

Isn’t the answer to your question rather obvious?
Flannery is being paid to say what the Government wants him to say.

Malcolm of Hampton Park (Reply)
Tue 14 Feb 12 (06:25am)

Greens admit green lies haven’t worked
Andrew Bolt – Tuesday, February 14, 12 (10:14 am)

I wish green activists would condemn green lies as a sin and a crime against reason,
not criticise it simply for being ineffective:

<blockquote>Mark Lynas, a campaigner who has been a member of action groups on GM foods and climate change, said the
environmental lobby was losing the battle for public opinion on climate
change because it had made too many apocalyptic prophecies and
exaggerated claims

He said: “We have got to find a more pragmatic and realistic way of engaging with people.”

Lynas might do well to start with a personal apology for his own ludicrous scare-mongering.

Take this “we probably are doomed” effort:

(Thanks to reader Andrew and Terry.)
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In Australia we MUST ALL VOTE, BY LAW.

or rather, saying, "OPEN SESAME!"

Voting Age LOWERED to 18:

Australia: 1973
(New South Wales was the first state to do so, in 1970)


equivalent to the HITLER YOUTH:

Muppets pose under a Sesame Street sign
in New York City (Getty Images)

Sesame Street celebrates 40th birthday
10 November 2009

It's a great pity 'they' did so WELL at FAILING
to teach literacy and critical thinking,

while having such great success at
making children force their parents to buy 'their'

The program made its Australian debut on ABC
on Monday, 4 January 1971 at 8.00am –
with a repeat at 4.30pm.

By the time the show had debuted in Australia
Sesame Street
was already showing
in 50 other countries.

For the next 15 years,
ABC’s broadcast day
was started each weekday by Sesame Street.


The first five years of Sesame Street
in the early '70s
were considered adults-only material.

But remember, we also had Hippies
and 'Dr' Spock, in the generations before,
CONvincing the world that it was 'wrong'

to Guide and Discipline OUR CHILDREN.


equivalent to the HITLER YOUTH:

Muppets pose under a Sesame Street sign
in New York City (Getty Images)

Sesame Street celebrates 40th birthday
10 November 2009

It's a great pity 'they' did so WELL at FAILING
to teach literacy and critical thinking,

while having such great success at
making children force their parents to buy 'their'

Debate is currently underway in many places
on proposals to reduce the voting age below 18.

In May 2009, Danish Member of Parliament
Mogens Jensen presented an initiative to
the Parliamentary Assembly
of the Council of Europe in Strasbourg
to lower the voting age in Europe to 16.[1]

There has also been discussion of
giving votes to children from birth,
initially with the votes being cast by parents,
who are presumed to
better understand a child's interests (Demeny voting).

And so NOW that 'they' (SO MANY ADULT IDIOTS),
HAVE THE 'democratic' 'RIGHT'=FORCE of the vote,

Wouldn't that make The ISLAMIC VOTE
about 12 to 2?!

While those "Sesame Street" 'raised'
WESTERN BUYERS of The 'overpopulation' LIE, who,
to 'save the planet' (and avoid 'the embarrassment' of
sustainable activity like good clothes being handed down
to younger siblings), ABORT THEIR OWN CHILDREN
down to one or two kids...
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Post  true lilly on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:11 pm

Oh look, some Breaking News,
as if from heaven, to help prove the point that
'Billy Ruben'=ALL 'those names' ARE THE ENEMIES
of JUSTICE and LIFE, who hate me simply for
not being cowed into being as EVIL as 'them':

Dead baby's parents call for hospital overhaul

PARENTS of a baby who died
at a Sydney hospital say they're angry
it's taken more than three years
to make changes that
could have saved their son's life.

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true lilly wrote:Yes, 'you' ARE VOID, 'Billy Ruben'...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:So, how many have kept count of all the times
"Billy Ruben", just has to jump in and attack me

How many have figured out what that SAYS ABOUT
"Billy Ruben"?

Particularly as "Billy Ruben" GETS EXTRA ANGRY
when baby fuckers ARE ALSO LINKED TO, 'respected'
positions, like say, THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY.

Speaking of which, how many have noticed that
"Billy Ruben" can't even get my husband's TRADE
OR NAME right, in his desperate efforts to SPIN BS
out of what I actually post?

Makes one wonder WHY "Billy Ruben" is NOT so keen
to 'defend', THE ACTUAL PERSON, but rather, DEFENDS

Interesting to how "Billy Ruben" threatens me with
State and Federal Police for posting MAIN STREAM NEWS
AND ASKING WHY Police have NOT come for that pc
that someone loaded CHILD PORN on, WHILE I WAS

Seems "Billy Ruben" NEEDS the world to believe that
the ONLY CORRUPT Police, are those "Billy Ruben"
'claims' to be 'fighting', NOT THOSE PROTECTING


you lying dog-rooting slut.And you know it.You play the game of
insinuating I have involvement in filth peddling and drug and gun
runningYou know the truth of your own lies and I have exposed everyone
of them.Noticed you did'nt get phone texts like you saidAnd those
recent,that I save,so when you falsely accuse,I can prove otherwise.You
only just got that Blue-tooth connection and I have'nt bit for
months.Stupid fuck you are,you give the game away before it gets on the
way.Come on,prove otherwise.

You hate the fact I report those
cops,cause I supply EVIDENCE,something you always failed to do and now
we know why,Ballarat Police refuted every claim you've made.You're not
even on their records,idiot.

And that's why I think you're obsesse3d with child-molesting,WHY?

you,I put money on it,you did fuck your dog on that breeder farm as a
young teenage curious whore that you were,turned to God and tried
transference,hoping it's all forgotten and forgiven

The only
person you can't hide it from is yourself.That's why I keep
reminding.And I have credibilty,something you lost in your battles with
me,hehehehehe,I have trade,you're bankrupt.Who cares what you say and
think.But involve me or those I love,I'll have you,anytime.

had your warning,hope they confiscate your computer,that was one of the
reasons I'm going to do it.Forget hiding it you stupid bitch,every
component has it's own signature.They can tell when you
substituteThere's things the authorities can do,that even most crackers
have no idea about,have a nice life creep.

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:'Billy Ruben' says 'he's' in hiding.
Should I post all the Ph. No's 'he' threatens me by?
Or just the numbers of those who first Blutoothed my phone,
and also boasted of having friends in the police that access
phone use details for them?

Well, if something were to happen to a real person who's
identity 'they' use, after 'Billy Ruben/Jason Cook' texted me
where he "is hiding from Occultists", I think authorities should
get straight onto 'them', rather than waste time harassing me,
'their' actual, intended victim.

Lets face it; the only reason 'they' have for sending me such
a message, would be to try to set me up for harm done to
some mentally ill person 'they' use as 'their' cover for the
self serving evils 'they' do.

What a load of shit!!!!.

harm will come to your crazy little head,no matter how much you
push.You're ridiculous and insane.I'd stick around to argue,but seeing
as you spammed your own thread with off-topic,non-related bullshit,I
shall leave again.

Oh,I support the fat redneck making and flying
Swastika flags.No harm done at all...it's how I feel and what I
see,when this flag flies proud.[/img]

Billy Ruben wrote:

...Now that's a very interesting post about psychological transference.

I remember correctly,I did a thread about you,where you admit you have
child porn on on your computer and blamed three differing parties.

You admitted you have it...and blamed others.Now,how do your inconsistencies would look before a jury,Eh?

to good for you,you mad silly cow.Those scrubbers in gaol will
absolutely rip you to pieces the very first night.Enjoy getting
fist-anal babe,because if I prove you still got it,I'll be mercilous
with you and condemn you to the lowest realms,where that decrepid soul
of yours came from

Try Me,Suzanne Ryan of Ballarat/Wendouree...just fucking try me.

Filth peddler.

Billy Ruben wrote:You're filth Suzy Ryan.

Remember the sequence of threats I told you months ago,it's already started.

Your thread,The Lying Conspiracy,...rant roomed.

Next,back to the Mental Health Authorities with a proper prepared proposal.

Next,The Federal Police Of Australia.

Then,and the best of all...Interpol.

So keep pushing little Missy and I will enact my threats and have you good,where I want you,M'Kay?

There's a good girl,back to knowing exactly where you stand moron.One more flicker of shit from you,you're gone.

you only wish,fantasize and beg God for,I'll pull off.I've been offered
a very special rank amongst the satanist,it's tempting,but know how it
corrupts.I'd only join to wipe the floor with arseholes like you.But the
best of intentions with those kind of energies,would only consume me.

On bending knee bitch,beg,that my wisdom holds up...this time around.

Epic Failures.

EVERYONE who believes continuing to attack me,
helps their deadly, lying, Satanic agenda.

Putting aside 'the Jewish issue' for a moment,
and Understanding that

Green/Brown Shirt Germany (Nazis)
Eugenics/Medical Torture/Experiments

helps a lot in Understanding WHY
'the investigation' into Craig Thompson
has taken so much longer than
WHY 'they' have already stated that 'they'
WHY 'Billy Ruben' feels such a great
NEED to attack me with bald faced lies,
in 'his' vain attempt to DEFEND 'those'
'HEALTH' Workers and MEDICAL Professionals:

The probe into Craig Thomson is taking a while.
HWT Image Library


A bit too heavy to ponder?
How about a chuckle at 'Ciggy's' bald faced lies:

Flannery Centre washed out
Andrew Bolt – Friday, February 17, 12 (06:05 am)

Poetry. Construction of the Flannery Centre, named after the Chief Climate Commissioner who predicted ”the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and river systems” in a permanently drier ”new climate”, has been again delayed. By rain.

If the sceptics’ conspiracy was real, why fake the evidence?
Andrew Bolt – Friday, February 17, 12 (12:05 am)

The problem with the
great international conspiracy of climate sceptics is that it’s so small
and innocent that a disappointed warmist who steals documents from the
Heartland Institute finds they must fake the main one to get media attention.

Sounds a bit like their tree-ring research.


Yes, says JoNova, let’s

please look at who’s funding who in the climate zoo.

Fear of Rinehart is the Left’s fear of debate.
UPDATE: but if a warmist boss gets a paper…

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Andrew Bolt
Friday, February 03, 2012 at 09:51am

Ian Hanke mocks the hysteria of the Left over Gina Rinehart’s purchase of Fairfax shares -
a hysteria illustrating the maxim that while conservatives think their
opponents are merely wrong, the Left think theirs are evil:

<blockquote>The mining magnate, Australia’s richest person,
appears to be someone whose mere name spreads alarm throughout the left.
Among the cadres of sometimes complacent and compliant journalists, she
is deemed to be a right-wing ogre.

It seems that by taking a substantial shareholding in Fairfax Media
(which owns this newspaper as well as The Sydney Morning Herald and The
Australian Financial Review), this one person is going to tear down
society - and the media will be a tool, putty in her hands, to do just

Rinehart’s views, according to people who don’t know her, are on the
‘’far right of the political spectrum’’, as academic and former Greens
candidate Clive Hamilton told readers of this page yesterday. Rinehart
has been vilified because she appears not to share the left’s concerns
about climate change and because she is advocating turning the north of
Australia into a special economic zone with tax breaks.

Nothing new in that; it has been advocated for years.

Apparently she knows the businessman Hugh Morgan, who was instrumental
in setting up the H. R. Nicholls Society, which advocates workplace
relations reform. And Morgan, we are told, is also close to the - shock,
horror - Institute of Public Affairs, which supports liberalism and a
free market.

It is clear Rinehart must be a fiend, albeit via association....

In 2010 she bought a substantial stake in Channel Ten. It is alleged,
without much evidence, she was responsible for The Bolt Report, the show
hosted by controversial columnist Andrew Bolt - and, of course, Bolt is
anathema to the left because he refuses to bow to their orthodoxy.

Yet let us just say, for the sake of argument, that Rinehart was indeed
responsible for the commissioning of The Bolt Report. That program, with
its ‘’unorthodox view’’, consistently out-rates Ten’s more traditional
Meet the Press. People seem to like watching The Bolt Report, where
alternative views are given an airing. Can’t have that, can we?…

Yet some on the left seem to believe her views should preclude Rinehart
from sitting on the Fairfax board… What is wrong with a person with an
alternative view of the world to that of the self-appointed guardians of
the media sitting on the board of a media company?

The more that Age journalists particularly rail against
Rinehart, the more they advertise their paper’s most fatal weakness - a
fierce hostility to the airing of ideas other than their
unrepresentative own. Journalistically, that’s a crime. Commercially
it’s a disaster for two reasons. First, papers are far livelier if they
provoke and are open to debates. Second, papers which circulate heavily
in Liberal-voting electorates should not present an almost exclusive
diet of the Left talking to the Left.

But here I am, suggesting ways to save Fairfax newspapers, which compete with my employer’s. I should shut up and let them die…


Catallaxy Files is right

. This piece of satire by Rowan Dean is excellent:
Acting Greens leader Christine Milne was quick to express her dismay.
“This is a national scandal,” she said. “If you have a couple of people
using newspapers as a mouthpiece, that is a real problem.

“For years, we in the Greens have had a total monopoly on all discussion
about climate change and the long-overdue, successful and hugely
popular implementation of the much-loved carbon tax, which is going to
solve the global problem of an overheating planet that we daily see all
around us destroying the lives of millions of people and obliterating
entire species as massively populated islands disappear beneath the
waves before our very eyes. The last thing a democratic, vibrant and
free press needs is someone who disagrees with us.”


A particularly vicious, misleading and sexist photo montage on the Sydney Morning Herald website - comparing Rinehart to Victoria Beckham, and falsely insinuating Rinehart thought herself such a clotheshorse, too - has been replaced.
It’s astonishing what some people feel entitled to do to others in the
name of virtue. Luckily someone at the paper still has some standards.


Meanwhie another super-rich boss with strong political views gets himself a media asset - yet this time it’s to general applause of the Fairfax media:

<blockquote>Graeme Wood, who shot to national fame and incredible wealth with the
2006 listing of his Web 2.0 hotel booking site Wotif.com in 2006, ... is
currently funding (a) new journalistic enterprise, The Global Mail.
The Global Mail will be headed by well-known journalist Monica Attard
and has recently unveiled a team of senior journalists who will be
reporting on a range of local and global issues through the
organisation’s website.

That is Wood, as in the global warming alarmist who made the single biggest individual political donation in Australian history - to the Greens. A cool $1.6 million.

Now he’s got former ABC Media Watch host Monica Attard to help assemble a like-minded cabal of journalists of the Left,
with not a single known conservative among them. There’s Ellen Fanning,
for instance, Mike Bowers, Stephen Crittenden, Mike Seccombe and more -
none likely to buck the Wood view of the world, which this publication
will almost certainly promote.

And this is branded on the website - no kidding - as “Independent
Journalism for Independent Minds”. Do these wordsmiths even understand
the meaning of the word “independent”?

That Wood should be able to stock such a publication with so many
willing journalists from the ABC and Fairfax says so much about the
leaning of those two media organisations, and what the real objection to
Rinehart is.

Warming sceptic wants a newspaper: evil and to be fought. Warming
alarmist wants a newspaper: terrific, and where do we sign up?

(Thanks to reader Watty.)

Boat people offered as much in free goodies as they paid to come
Andrew Bolt – Friday, February 17, 12 (07:07 am)

So a people smuggler goes to, say Quetta or some other city in Pakistan,
and shows a bunch of young guys this news item about a land of free
electronics and houses grander than their own:

machines, microwave ovens, DVDs and plasma TVs are among a 60-item
welcome gift pack for asylum seekers offered rent-free homes in the

To fulfil a promise to move an influx of families out of detention, the
Gillard Government is now fitting out each home with up to $10,000 worth
of furnishings and electronics.

They are given food hampers upon arrival at rented homes where they wait for their claims to be processed…

Everything from beds, fridges, mattresses and lounges to an alarm clock
radio, clothes hangers and containers for biscuits are being bought in a
“household goods formation package” that contains more than 60 items.

It includes a television at a minimum size of 53cm.

An average family of five is eligible for $7100 worth of goods, while
larger families of more than nine people can be provided with up to
$9850 in furnishings, the Opposition has revealed after Senate estimates
this week.

Special consideration is given to providing computers, internet access,
mobile phones, bikes, skateboards, rollerblades, iPods, games consoles
and sewing machines.

So that people smuggler makes an offer. Pay me $10,000,
and I can get you to Australia where you’ll be given almost as much in
electronic goods - plus welfare for life, or the chance to earn more
money in a year than you’ll earn here in a decade. Once in, you can
sponsor the rest of your family to come over legally.

Now, guess what happens next?

(Thanks to readers The Great Waisuli, Adrian and sayer.)


NSW government didn't lie on uranium - Hartcher

...no, I also told you all years ago,
that this was coming,
and as I, an unconnected nobody could see,
'the writing on the wall',
it tells you all a lot, about those who thought it,
'important', to attack me, rather than WATCH
those 'doing the writing',
all over The World Wide Web Net of Deception,
that God WARNED us of,
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Tomorrow will be the 70th anniversary
the first Japanese air raid on Darwin.

The bombing, which killed
an estimated 300 people,

shocked the nation in its ferocity.

Picture: Getty Images
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Saturday, February 18, 2012 (09:40 am)
On our MTR 1377 show today,
a rather vigorous discuss with former aid worker
Andrew MacLeod

on whether we are generous or reckless
in trying to make boat people seem so very welcome.


Green by name, ABC presenter by profession
The ABC’s latest recruit for current affairs presentation duties
is even further to the Left than usual.

Indeed, Jonathan Green is soft on former (?) supporters of Left totalitarians,
while smearing mainstream conservative parties as neo-Nazis.

Gerard Henderson describes Green’s recent group-hug with Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon:

Let’s take the following question, where JG gave Rhiannon a “free kick”
by using the are-you-a-member-of-the-Communist-Party question
once favoured by the discredited anti-communist Joe McCarthy.
Let’s go to the transcript:

Jonathan Green: Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?

Lee Rhiannon: I was not a member of Communist Party. But I was a member of
the Socialist Party and I worked on a whole range of issues with my
colleagues around international disarmament, women’s rights, issues
to do with unemployment – and I continue to see that these are important issues.

This is a cop-out… The facts are known – by Jonathan Green and others.

- When Lee Rhiannon joined the Socialist Party of Australia in 1970-71,
it was the pro-Soviet Union part of the communist movement…

- From around 1970 until the collapse of the European communism in 1990,
Lee Brown – who became Lee O’Gorman by marriage and Lee Rhiannon by deed poll

was associated with the SPA, which received funds from the Soviet Union.
Lee O’Gorman edited the pro-Moscow journal Survey for some of this time
– including its final edition in 1990.

- Lee Rhiannon refuses to answer questions as to whether her travels to
communist Eastern Europe in the 1970s and 1980s were funded – in whole or in part –
by the Communist regimes in East Germany and the like.

- Senator Rhiannon also refuses to say whether
she studied at the Lenin School in Moscow in 1977.
The Lenin School was a training ground for pro-Moscow communists the world over.

On all these matters, JG let Senator Rhiannon off the hook.
Earlier in the interview, he did ask her about Christian Kerr’s recent articles
in The Australian which – based on ASIO’s now released files – demonstrated
that she was contacted by Vladimir Alekseev in 1970, the KGB’s man in
the Soviet Embassy in Australia. However, JG’s questioning was soft –
of the: “Were you a KGB informer?” genre. Senator Rhiannon replied
in the negative.

Compare and contrast:

On 11 January 2011, Jonathan Green appeared on the ABC TV The Drum program ...
(to discuss) a controversial neo-Nazi festival, which was planned for the Gold Coast
in Queensland. The festival in question was called the “Hammered” and its organisers
included such white supremist groups as “Blood and Honour”.

During the studio discussion, Jonathan Green declared:
“We shouldn’t trivialise this folks, it’s nasty.” Quite so. However,

when it was put in the discussion that if the event had not been criticised
no one would have known about it, Jonathan Green agreed – declaring :

It would be just another day on the Gold Coast
and everyone would think it was an LNP fundraiser…

During the same program, Jonathan Green compared “the John Howard
leadership” style with that of the dictator Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
According to Green, both men held the view that if they step down “it
will be at the will of the people”.

This is why family entertainment at the Green household has included

beating a Howard effigy with a stick.

Our” ABC is committed to every kind of diversity except diversity of thought.

Latest evidence?
the editor of its new on-line opinion section Jonathan Green,
who has been not only the editor of the
far-Left Crikey website, but a proud member of Victoria’s Pinata Left as well. Yes, that’s John Howard hanging from Green’s tree:

[The image of the Howard pinata in
Green’s tree that was here has been taken down by order of Green friend
Sophie Cunningham, the owner of the site which proudly displayed the
picture for two years but now fears it may hurt Green to be shown on
this blog.]

It must be Green’s politics that particularly appealed to the ABC.
Why else hire a
largely unread blogger?

Of course, I may be wrong. Maybe the ABC’s online section will indeed
prove under Green to be fair and balanced. One clue will be who the ABC
hires to balance both Green and its other on-line signing, Annabel Crabb.


I’d also urge the ABC to be very careful of
Green’s quality control
over his writers and blog readers. I was forced recently to write the
following to his boss, Eric Beecher, the famous campaigner for “quality
journalism”, and am still considering my options, as they say:

Last week I drew your attention to comments and blog
postings you had published over the space of just a few days calling me

a “proven liar”, “nutty”, “unhinged”, “underhand”, “loopy”, “paranoid”, a
“hypocrite”, a “racist”, “dishonest”, “hysterical”, “petty”,
“evasive”, “deluded”, “irrational”, lacking in morality, someone guilty
of “deliberately misrepresenting” people, “full of poisonous shit”, and a
“notorious liar” who practices “lies, misrepresentations, and deceit”,
“lies, distortions and smears”, “fakery” and “cowardice and
dishonesty”, while giving “tacit approval” to “extremist sickos” and
“playing the paranoid schizo’’, resembling in my person an “asylum for
the criminally insane”. You conceded that these comments included a
number of statements that were “untrue and unnecessarily personal in

Since then one of Green’s writers
has urged in a headline that I be ”
and his site has said of me that “we are dealing with fascism,
plain and simple’’ and, referring to me and my readers,
“I sometimes think Stalin had the right idea -
line a million or so of ‘em up against a wall”.

Yesterday I was named in a Crikey article as someone so corrupt
as be evidently driven to scepticsm by “a desire for funds from
fossil-fuel companies”, and was smeared besides as “undoubtedly more
dangerous” than a “Holocaust denier”, and, in time, ”
morally worse”.

I hope the ABC’s lawyers are ready for the exciting new brand of
“quality journalism” coming their way. I’m still considering how to
respond to Crikey’s “quality journalism”, especially after this latest
foul claim
, and any lawyer should consider themselves free to advise.

(I mention this because I’ve just received a furious call from some
person whose identity I cannot reveal saying I’d crossed a line. If the
line was drawn by Green, I’d still need a telescope to find it.)

true lilly wrote:Royal families: Europe's last monarchies
July 6, 2010
(11 of 11)

At the age of 27, King Carl XVI Gustav became king.
Swedish kings date back to 980.
He succeeded his grandfather (his father died in 1947,
a year after the king was born) in 1973.
He will be succeeded by his daughter, Crown Princess Victoria.
Crown Princess Victoria and her fiance Daniel Westling
are seen on stage on June 18
at the Royal Concert Hall in Stockholm, Sweden,
ahead of their wedding on June 19.
Henrik Montgomery/Reuters

Royal families: Europe's last monarchies
July 6, 2010
(5 of 11)

The country established itself as a
constitutional monarchy in 1849.
The current leader, Queen Margrethe
II, is largely ceremonial.
The Danish royal family is seen here on April16
on the balcony of Amalienborg Palace in Copenhagen, Denmark.
Tariq Mikkel Khan/AP

Mary was born and raised in
Hobart, Tasmania, Australia.

Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark,
Countess of Monpezat
RE (Mary Elizabeth; née Donaldson;
born 5 February 1972)
is the wife of
Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark.

July 6, 2010
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Founded in 1719 as part of the Holy Roman Empire,
the current head of state is Prince Hans-Adam II.
A new constitution was adopted in 2003
that expanded the monarch’s powers.

Princess Sophie (l.) and Erbprinz Alois
arrive at the Swedish Parliament's concert
at the Royal Concert Hall in Stockholm, Sweden,
on June 18.
Maja Suslin/AP
true lilly wrote:
'Wallace wants a Wife' is on again
IT’S been one year since the inaugural Wallace Wants a Wife,
and the region’s farmers are still looking for love.
In just a few weeks up to 500 people are expected
to descend upon the farming town for the second annual event,
with a date now set for March 3.

18 Feb, 2012 12:12 AM

IT’S been one year since the inaugural Wallace Wants a Wife,
and the region’s farmers are still looking for love.

In just a few weeks up to 500 people are expected to descend upon the
farming town for the second annual event, with a date now set for March 3.

Wallace Hotel publican Andrea Wilson said she had already sold
tickets to 200 people, including a group of girls who put their names
down to attend 12 months ago – the day after attending last year’s event.

“I said to them, ‘How do you know you’ll still be single then?’
and they said they just didn’t want to miss out,” Ms Wilson said.

“It turns out they are still single and they’ve bought tickets.”

The matchmaking night is open to anyone aged between 25 and 95,
and so far people of all ages have registered.

“I think the eldest person to register is one of our farmers – who’s 72,” Ms Wilson said.

“We have a lot of people – especially girls – coming on their own,
and a lot of people coming from Melbourne.

“It’s about just having a bit of fun and breaking the ice.”

Ms Wilson said she knew of a few couples who were still together after meeting
at the event last year.

But she said many of the romances had been fleeting.

“Most of the couples who are still together today are on the mature side – a
lot of the younger ones seem to have broken up,” she said.

Twenty-five-year-old Gordon farmer Stuart Miller said he and his friends
had attended last year’s event, and were planning on returning this year.

“Everyone I’ve spoken to is pretty much going,” he said.

“I met one girl (last year), and we went on a few dates, but that was it.”

Mr Miller was coy on whether this year would be the year he found love.

“We’ll see what happens,” he said.

Tickets to the event are $20 and are available to purchase by contacting

5334 0322.

matchmaker: Wallace Hotel owner Andrea Wilson
hopes the event will attract people of all ages.
Picture: Kate Healy
Japanese emperor to have heart surgery

JAPANESE Emperor Akihito has gone into hospital
accompanied by Empress Michiko
ahead of a planned bypass operation.

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true lilly wrote:Dutch Prince Friso buried by avalanche, badly hurt (updated)
Christian Science Monitor‎ - 29 minutes ago

Prince Johan Friso, son of Queen Beatrix,
smiles during his wedding in the Oude Kerk in Delft
in this April 24, 2004 file photo.

Dutch Prince Johan Friso
was in critical but stable condition
at an intensive care unit in an Innsbruck hospital
after being buried by an avalanche in Austria,
the Dutch government said on February 17.

A statement from the Dutch government said
the prince's condition was stable,

but his life remains at risk.

Royal families: Europe's last monarchies

He most recently worked as financial director at Urenco,
the European uranium-enrichment consortium.

After the pair announced their intention to marry in 2003,
Dutch media revealed that Wisse Smit's previous friendships
included contacts while she was in college with
a well-known figure in the Dutch underworld,
a drug dealer who was later slain.

lilly wrote:

Royal families: Europe's last monarchies
July 6, 2010
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The constitutional monarchwas established in 1848.
Prior to that, the Dutch hereditary monarchy was initiated in 1815
with King William I. Queen Beatrix Wilhemina Armgard,
succeeded her mother as queen of the Netherlands in 1980.
She will be succeeded by her eldest son, Prince Willem-Alexander.
Crown Princess Maxima (l.), Crown Prince Willem-Alexander,
and their daughter Catharina-Amalia
pose for the media outside a hotel in Stockholm, Sweden, on June 17.

Marc Feminia/AP

THE Australian dollar rose to a one-week high
after encouraging US economic data
and as the delivery of a Greek bailout package
looked more certain.

At 5.00pm AEST today,
the local unit was trading
at 107.77 US cents,
up just over one US cent
from 106.68 cents yesterday.

Since 7.00am AEST today,
the local unit traded between
107.46 US cents and 108.01 cents.

The local unit in intraday trade
rose to a seven-month high at against the yen.



Dutch Prince Friso buried by avalanche, badly hurt (updated)
Christian Science Monitor‎ - 29 minutes ago

Prince Johan Friso, son of Queen Beatrix,
smiles during his wedding in the Oude Kerk in Delft
in this April 24, 2004 file photo.

Dutch Prince Johan Friso
was in critical but stable condition
at an intensive care unit in an Innsbruck hospital
after being buried by an avalanche in Austria,
the Dutch government said on February 17.

A statement from the Dutch government said
the prince's condition was stable,

but his life remains at risk.

Related stories

Gallery: Royal families: Europe's last monarchies

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PRINCIPALITY OF ANDORRA: The sixth-smallest nation in Europe
lies in the eastern Pyrenees mountains between Spain and France
and is ruled by two co-princes:
the head of state of France (currently Nicolas Sarkozy)
and the bishop of Urgell, Catalonia, Spain (currently Joan-Enric Vives Sicilia).
The Principality of Andorra was established in 1278.
Sarkozy and his wife, Carla Bruni, are seen in London on June 18.

Royal families: Europe's last monarchies

He most recently worked as financial director at Urenco,
the European uranium-enrichment consortium.

After the pair announced their intention to marry in 2003,
Dutch media revealed that Wisse Smit's previous friendships
included contacts while she was in college with
a well-known figure in the Dutch underworld,
a drug dealer who was later slain.

truelilly wrote:Trillions in fake US bonds seized

ITALIAN anti-mafia prosecutors
have ordered the seizure in Switzerland
of fake US Treasury bonds
with a face value of $US6 trillion
($A5.6 trillion) -
or over a third of US national debt.
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:High Aussie dollar 'helping households'

THE high value of the Australian dollar
has boosted the spending power
of households the past decade,
the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) says.

RBA Deputy Governor Phillip Lowe today said
households were reaping the benefit of the currency's high value.

He said that while household incomes had grown by around 60 per cent
in the past decade, the Australian dollar's rise meant that the price paid
for many manufactured goods had remained, on average, virtually unchanged.

"The stable prices for many goods, combined with strong disposable income growth,
means there is more disposable income to be spent on services," he said in
an address to the Committee for Economic Development of Australia (CEDA) in Sydney.

He said that a once-in-a-century investment boom, fuelled by demand for Australian
resources, was the main reason for the currency's strength.

However, he said, the boost to disposable incomes had come at the expense of
a number of industries.

"The effects of the high exchange rate are evident in the manufacturing,
tourism and education sectors, as well as some parts of the agriculture
sector and, more recently, in some business services sectors.

"In some cases, this is prompting renewed investment to improve firms' international competitiveness.

"But in other cases, businesses are scaling back their operations in Australia and
some are closing down."

Dr Lowe said that both the investment boom and the Australian dollar's
high value were historically unusual events and it was difficult to assess their
net effect on the economy.

However, he said, the two forces appeared to have balanced each other out
relatively evenly in the past few years.

He said that the outlook for the Australian economy remained strong with
gross domestic product (GDP) and inflation expected to grow around
trend over the coming years.

As a result, he said, the country was well-placed to deal with any flow-on effects
from Europe's sovereign debt crisis.

"We have much more flexibility to deal with unfolding events
than almost any other developed economy."

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/money/cost-of-living/high-aussie-dollar-helping-households/story-fnagkbpv-1226272458073#ixzz1mesoUMxW

German president quits over lack of trust
GERMAN President Christian Wulff
has admitted to making mistakes,
but said he had always acted
within the bounds of the law,
as he announced his resignation
over corruption allegations.
true lilly wrote:German president resigns in blow to Merkel
true lilly wrote:German president quits in scandal
German president quits in scandal

German President Christian Wulff
announces his resignation,
after prosecutors called for
his immunity to be lifted

amid a home loan scandal.

German president quits Watch
Duel of two German heavyweights

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Belgium established itself as a constitutional monarchy in 1831,
after it gained independence from the Netherlands.
The king (currently King Albert II) is also the head of state and,
as in England, appoints the prime minister who
has received majority support in parliament.
The Belgian royal family arrives for a gala concert at
the Laeken Royal Palace in Brussels in July 2.

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KINGDOM OF SPAIN: King Juan Carlos I has been king since 1975.
His grandfather, King Alfonso XIII fled the country in 1931
with establishment of a republic.
General Francisco Franco appointed himself head of state in 1936,
but passed a law of succession that a new king would be named.
Juan Carlos pushed for the democratization of Spain
and helped restore democratic rule
after an attempted military coup in 1981.
Prince Felipe (r.) and Princess Letizia
smile during a visit to the Infanta Leonor nursery
in Piedras Blancas, Spain, on May 20.
Eloy Alonso/Reuters

Spain v Argentina - Davis Cup World Group Final - Day Three
In This Photo:
King Juan Carlos I

King Juan Carlos of Spain looks on during the third and last day
of the final Davis Cup match between Spain and Argentina
on December 4, 2011 in Seville, Spain.

(December 3, 2011 - Photo by Jasper Juinen/Getty Images Europe)

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true lilly wrote:Oh, and Libya didn’t work out that great, by the way
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 18, 12 (12:11 am)

So, how goes liberated LIbya, freed from the tyrant’s yoke?

Armed militias in Libya are committing human rights abuses with impunity,
threatening to destabilize the country and hindering its efforts to rebuild,
Amnesty International said Thursday.

Militias have tortured detainees, targeted migrants and displaced entire
communities in revenge attacks, according to a report the organization
released a year after the start of popular uprisings that eventually
ended Moammar Gadhafi’s 42-year rule.

“Hundreds of armed militias, widely hailed in Libya as heroes
for their role in toppling the former regime, are largely out of control,” the report says.

Had this been the work of George Bush and not Barack Obama, I suspect
you’d have seen a little more media curiosity about the results of the
West’s prolonged and largely counterproductive intervention.
true lilly wrote:
Princess Mary of Denmark busts the husband of the Finnish president -
ironically called the First Gentleman - staring down her dress at a state dinner.
Watch the video.
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true lilly wrote:Finnish staring yet?

Noithing that the husband of Finland’s president ever did or does
will replace this in the world’s memory.
He may have to shave off those
whiskers just to distance himself from it.
true lilly wrote:
Princess Mary of Denmark busts the husband of the Finnish president -
ironically called the First Gentleman - staring down her dress at a state dinner.
Watch the video.
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HRH the Crown Princess of Denmark
attends the wedding of the Crown Princess of Sweden.
She is pictured here surrounded by Princess Máxima of the Netherlands;
the Prince of Orange, heir-apparent of the Netherlands;

the Crown Princess of Norway; and the Queen of the Netherlands.
Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark stands at the far left.
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Hey Icke!!!!! yeah you..... noway ......who do you think you're bullshittin? some mental midget shit 4 brainz?.

Icke is a deluded and dangerous demagogue..........
The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. H. L. Mencken

He is David Icke New Age Neo Nazi Guru hatemongering, fearmongering liar.

He claims he is not antisemitic, then he goes on to lie and demonize the Jews and Israel.......who is he kidding besides himself? The useful idiots that hang on everyone of his words?

David Icke Myth: Rothschild Zionism in its public expression is a political ideology based on a homeland for Jewish people in Palestine and a belief that the Jews are God's 'chosen race' with a God-given right to the 'promised land' of Israel (historically this is nonsense, as I show in my books)

The only thing he has shown in his books is he is an antisemitic gullible fool....... lmao
“The Jews have no claim to the land they call Israel.”


A common misperception is that all the Jews were forced into the Diaspora by the Romans after the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E. and then, 1,800 years later, the Jews suddenly returned to Palestine demanding their country back. In reality, the Jewish people have maintained ties to their historic homeland for more than 3,700 years.

The Jewish people base their claim to the Land of Israel on at least four premises: 1) the Jewish people settled and developed the land; 2) the international community granted political sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish people; 3) the territory was captured in defensive wars and 4) God promised the land to the patriarch Abraham.

David Icke Myth: They have sought to sell the 'Zionism-means-all-Jewish-people' lie so that they can condemn as 'anti-Semites' and 'racists' anyone who exposes the truth about Rothschild Zionism and its agents in government, banking, business, media, military etc.

Read this daveyboy:


Zionism is the national self determination movement of the Jewish people. Zionism is the belief in a Jewish homeland for the Jewish people, in Israel. Zionism is the Jewish people's instantiation of the human right of self determination. 99% of Jews are supportive of the existance of the Jewish state - that makes them Zionists..............In summary
Almost all Jews (99%) are infact Zionists, but the definition Zionists (and infact almost all Jewish anti-Zionists) themselves use. If you use an antisemic defintion such as Zionism as Racist you can of course invent statistics as you please.

Hey davey, this is pure 100% unadulterated bullshit......that makes you a lying sack of shit.

David Icke Myth:The world's most extreme racists are, after all, the Rothschild Zionists, anyway. Israel is an apartheid state every bit as much as were apartheid South Africa and apartheid America.

The Facts

Comparison of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict with Apartheid South AfricaThese days it is becoming very popular to compare the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict with apartheid South Africa prior to 1994. It is an odious comparison wreaked with many half-truths and clichés. Both situations are so different that when one examines the situation one can note major differences. The idea of using this comparison is to delegitimize Israel's right to exist within secure and recognized borders and to justify the Palestinian methods of terror in order to destroy Israel.

In apartheid South Africa prior to 1994 before the first democratic elections in South Africa 's history, there was this odious apartheid system. Its main purpose was to maintain white minority rule at all costs and to keep the black majority disenfranchised and without basic human rights. These blacks were a reservoir of cheap labour to operate the white economy and to ensure white prosperity at their expense. Blacks had suffered immense injustice under this system. White South African Government spending on black education and their general community welfare was minimal. The gap between the black situation then and slavery was not very large.

Social intercourse between whites and blacks in those days was a relationship between the white master and the black, underpaid servant. The situation for non-white people was intolerable and even cruel. It was against the law for Blacks to travel freely in the country of their birth except if they had a pass (dompas) from the white authorities. After 9.00 p.m., there was a curfew and blacks were forbidden in the streets after that dreaded hour in many towns. These people were not terrorists. They were not people who threatened the whites in any way. Denial of their basic human rights was commonplace. There was the dreaded Immorality Act, which prevented mixed marriages and sex beyond the colour bar. Those who contravened the law were imprisoned. There were separate public facilities for blacks and whites. Laws forbade blacks to eat in white restaurants. Separate transport facilities, which resulted in overcrowded conditions in buses and trains, were part of this evil, cruel system. It was common to see police officers abusing and ill treating blacks for not having their pass (identity or reference book) on their person when being searched. The police pushed them into the back of the police van, and drove them to the police station where they spent a night in the lock up cell. Usually their white employers bailed out these unfortunate persons when they produced a permit that they were in his employ legally. Blacks could not purchase property in white areas, as this was a contravention of the notorious Group Areas Act.

Anybody who opposed the apartheid system in those days – especially if he was black – was accused of being an agitator or communist. The police arrested him for 90 days without trial or recourse to a lawyer. This was increased later to 180 days detention and the police officer even had the power to keep a person imprisoned indefinitely without trial. These incidents occurred during the period of 1950 – 1990. Apartheid was at its zenith in those years. It was illegal to criticise the white government for its apartheid practices. There was limited criticism in those days by white opposition parties in parliament. However, the law controlled the limit of legal criticism. The abuse of prisoners for obtaining information was legal and encouraged. The police tortured the famous black leader, Steve Biko, to death when he was in prison for "anti-apartheid crimes" in 1977.

The majority of South African citizens was against apartheid and wanted to be part of a multi racial South Africa . The leaders of the liberation movements never spoke of destroying the white man and denying him rights in South Africa. Their fight was a justified fight for freedom and human rights as well as equality before the law.

If one were to contrast that with the situation in the Middle East, it is different. Israel 's Arab neighbours threatened her from the day of her establishment in 1948. There was never a desire to recognise Israel 's right to exist. What has this to do with South African style apartheid? Where is the comparison?

The blacks in their liberation struggle never targeted innocent people by suicide bombings or terror. There were sporadic incidents by some black extremists, but the mainstream liberation movements in South Africa went underground. Their leaders, who were living in exile, condemned this violence.

Perhaps, there may be a vague parallel of apartheid in the occupied territories since June 1967. The occupation is a complex problem that is the result of a war foisted onto Israel . Israel, being militarily superior, occupied territory in the Six Day War of June 1967 and made the fatal mistake of encouraging Jewish settlements there when it was obvious that there was no Arab partner who was willing to sign a peace treaty insuring the return of occupied territory as part of an overall peace agreement. The occupation and rule of the Palestinians is a tragic result of the wars that Israel fought for her survival/

However, had there been a willing partner on the Arab side who would come to terms with Israel's existence the seemingly "apartheid-like" situation would not have occurred. Israel never wished to conquer another people. This is contrary to the apartheid South African situation whereby the whites ruled and oppressed the blacks by force. They denied them their basic human rights. The intifida of 2000 resulted in a heavy spate of suicide violence against innocent Israelis, which resulted in heavy Israeli Army retaliation against armed Palestinian terrorists. The Palestinian terrorist groups had declared war on Israel and in a war; innocent people on both sides die and suffer.

The difference is that in South Africa both Whites and Blacks realized that their fate is dependent on one another. Both realised the importance of sitting down and negotiating a transitional period to end apartheid. Both sides were determined to rebuild the new democratic, multiracial South Africa . This feeling of mutual desire to end the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is lacking. The Palestinians have embarked on the road of terror and suicide bombings.

This is their chosen path. It differs from the path that the freedom fighters in South Africa chose. Here there is no desire to come to terms with Israel 's existence that was always a "thorn" in Palestinian flesh. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have made this perfectly clear to the world. Their manifesto is no example in building an alternative democratic Palestinian society in a state replacing Israel.

Is there not a similarity to Nazism in the Hamas manifesto? Many Palestinian observers in the UN Security council accuse Israel of genocide. Is the Hamas Manifesto not promoting genocide of the Jewish People? Compare this to the ideals of those who opposed and fought the cruel racist regime of White South Africa during those evil, apartheid years. Their fight was a fight to attain equality for all South Africans irrespective of their skin colour. This is not the case in the Israel-Palestinian dispute. Here there is no desire in Palestinian street, as represented by Hamas and company, to come to terms with Israel's existence – let alone negotiate a peace treaty, which would eventually lead to the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel . Genocide is more part of the lexicon of the Palestinian terrorist groups than in Israel . Perhaps from this point of view, there is a similarity between the Palestinians and the dominating whites of apartheid South Africa . Both peoples oppressed their citizens and denied them basic human rights. Both regimes were corrupt and were involved in feathering their own nests.

The similarity of apartheid South Africa to the Palestinian Authority, including their methods of torture of opponents, makes this comparison closer to the truth.
Where are human rights in the Arab countries? Where are woman's rights in Islamic Society? In Saudi Arabia , women are treated like chattels and do not even have the franchise. Why are the human rights organizations not taking any view on that?

Another very big difference between apartheid South Africa and Israel is the fact that there are no separate facilities for Jews and Arabs. Arab Israelis have equal rights and have the right to vote. There is no law preventing social mixing between the two peoples nor are there separate universities for Arabs and Israelis in Israel.

The comparison between Israel and apartheid South Africa shows total ignorance of the situation in both countries. After having been born and educated in apartheid South Africa and having opposed apartheid and racism all my life, I have come to realize how false and stupid this comparison really is. Much still remains to be done in the human rights area for Arab Israelis. There is some social descrimination in the job market and the situation is not as good as it could be. However, it is very far from the apartheid system of White South Africa where draconian laws were well set in place to separate blacks from whites

David Icke Myth: And by that I don't only mean the evil that is inflicted upon the Palestinian people minute-by-minute, day-by-day, but also the extraordinarily racist divisions within Jewish society with the black Jews from Ethiopia, for example, treated as little more than vermin


The Facts
In early 1991, Eritrean and Tigrean rebels began a concerted attack on Mengistu forces, meeting with surprising success for the first time since the civil war began in 1975. With the rebel armies advancing each day, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam fled his country in early May. Rebels claimed control of the capital Addis Ababa shortly thereafter, and the situation of the Beta Israel took top priority in Israel. The Likud government of Yitzhak Shamir authorized a special permit for the Israeli airline, El Al, to fly on the Jewish Sabbath. On Friday, May 24, and continuing non-stop for 36 hours, a total of 34 El Al jumbo jets and Hercules C-130s—seats removed to accommodate the maximum number of Ethiopians—began a new chapter in the struggle for the freedom of Ethiopian Jewry.

Operation Solomon, named for the king from whom one of the theories suggest that the Beta Israel draw their lineage, ended almost as quickly as it began. Timing was crucial, since any delay by Israel could have allowed the rebels to hold the Jews as bargaining chips with Israel or the United States. A total of 14,324 Ethiopian Jews were rescued and resettled in Israel, a modern exodus of the grandest design. Operation Solomon rescued nearly double the number of Jews as were saved during Operation Moses and Joshua, and it did so in a mere fraction of the time.

More than 36,000 Ethiopian Jews now live in Israel and despite both economic and social hardships, their community has an integral part in Israeli society. In 1999, Avraham Yitzhak became the first Ethiopian immigrant to earn an MD degree from an Israeli medical school. In 2011, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs appointed Rachamim Elazar as Israel's Ambassador to Ethiopia, making him the first Israeli of Ethiopian descent to ever serve as an ambassador for the State of Israel. There are still many problems within the Ethiopian community in Israel - poverty, lack of education, etc - but large strides are being made every day.......................As early as the 16th century, Egypt's Chief Rabbi David ben Solomon ibn Avi Zimra (Radbaz) declared that in Halachic (Jewish legal) issues, the Beta Israel were indeed Jews. In 1855, Daniel ben Hamdya, a member of the Beta Israel, was the first Ethiopian Jew to visit Israel, meeting with a council of rabbis in Jerusalem concerning the authenticity of the Beta Israel. By 1864, almost all leading Jewish authorities, most notably Rabbi Azriel Hildsheimer of Eisenstadt, Germany, accepted the Beta Israel as true Jews. In 1908 the chief rabbis of forty-five countries had heeded Rabbi Hildsheimer's call and officially recognized the Beta Israel as fellow Jews.

In reaffirming the Radbaz's position centuries before, Rabbi Ovadia Yossef, Israel's Chief Sephardic Rabbi, stated in 1972, “I have come to the conclusion that Falashas are Jews who must be saved from absorption and assimilation. We are obliged to speed up their immigration to Israel and educate them in the spirit of the holy Torah, making them partners in the building of the Holy Land.”

In 1975, Ashkenazic Chief Rabbi Shlomo Goren wrote to the Beta Israel telling them, “You are our brothers, you are our blood and our flesh. You are true Jews.” Later that same year the Israeli Interministerial Commission officially recognized the Beta Israel as Jews under Israel's Law of Return, a law designed to aid in Jewish immigration to Israel. The Beta Israel were ready to come home.

Indeed, the Beta Israel were strictly observant in pre-Talmudic Jewish traditions. The women went to the mikvah, or ritual bath, just as observant Jewish women do to this day, and they continue to carry out ancient festivals, such as Seged, that have been passed down through the generations of Beta Israel. The Kesim, or religious leaders, are as widely revered and respected as the great rabbis in each community, passing the Jewish customs through storytelling and maintaining the few Jewish books and Torahs some communities were fortunate enough to have written in the liturgical language of Ge'ez.

Jewish Apathy . . .and its Defeat
The struggle to free the Beta Israel was not fought solely against the Ethiopian government. Much like some timid Jewish leaders during the Holocaust, some recent Jews sought to prevent a shanda fur de goyim (an embarrassment in front of the non-Jews) by not stirring up waves over Ethiopian Jewry.

The history of the Beta Israel's rescue is at times open to debate regarding the heroes of the Ethiopian Jewry movement. As with many struggles to free oppressed Jewry around the world, many advocated and vocalized opposition to those responsible for the lack of action on their behalf. Others, however, argued for a more quiet diplomacy, void of the public demonstrations and arrests that marked the struggle for Soviet Jewry.

Though over 8,000 Beta Israel managed to flee to Israel during his tenure, it was an Israeli official in charge of the Ethiopian Jews' absorption who may best symbolize the insensitivity that an extreme minority of people once held. Yehuda Dominitz who served as Director General of the Jewish Agency's Department of Immigration and Absorption, declared in 1980 that, “[taking] a Falasha (sic) out of his village, it's like taking a fish out of water...I'm not in favor of bringing them [to Israel].” Dominitz also refused to allow his agency to rent buses so Ethiopian Jews in Israel could travel to Jerusalem to observe their ancient holiday of Seged (Dominitz eventually relented, but had the buses take the Beta Israel to Haifa instead of Jerusalem).

Malkah Raymist, a writer for the World Zionist Organization, wrote in 1956 in The Jewish Horizon (of the Hapoel Hamizrachi of America Movement) that, “the reasons [for not bringing Ethiopian Jews to Israel] are simple and weighty. On one hand, they are well off where they are, while their development and mental outlook is that of children; they could fall an easy prey of exploitation, if brought here without any preparation. On the other hand, being a backward element, they would be and it would take several years before they could be educated towards a minimum of progressive thinking.”

In an American Association for Ethiopian Jews (AAEJ) press release, the AAEJ quoted its founder, Dr. Graenum Berger, as criticizing those who sought any delay in the rescue of the Beta Israel. Berger declared, “Not when Jews are dying...these revelations show once again that the policy of influencing factions of the government of Israel always have been against the immigration of the Ethiopian Jews. And, the same people who controlled their immigration then are controlling it now. These are the same people who gave instructions to the Israeli Embassy in Ethiopia (1956-1973) not to issue immigration visas to any Jew from Ethiopia.”

Berger himself came under criticism for his outspoken remarks concerning the Israeli efforts to rescue the Beta Israel, showing that nobody was immune from the rhetoric surrounding the issue.

As the facts clearly show: David Icke is an ignorant, lying, fearmongering, hatemongering antisemitic moron............a lying sack of shit.............

“Israel is pursuing a policy of genocide toward the Palestinians that is comparable to the Nazis’ treatment of the Jews.” top


This is perhaps the most odious claim made by Israel’s detractors. The Nazis’ objective was the systematic extermination of every Jew in Europe. Israel is seeking peace with its Palestinian neighbors. More than one million Arabs live as free and equal citizens in Israel. Of the Palestinians in the territories, 98 percent live under the civil administration of the Palestinian Authority. Israeli policies are designed to protect Israeli citizens—Jews and non-Jews—from the incessant campaign of terror. There has never been a plan to persecute, exterminate, or expel the Palestinian people.

In response to one such comparison, by a poet who referred to the “Zionist SS,” The New Republic’s literary editor Leon Wieseltier observed:

The view that Zionism is Nazism—there is no other way to understand the phrase “Zionist SS”—is not different in kind from the view that the moon is cheese. It is not only spectacularly wrong, it is also spectacularly unintelligent. I will not offend myself (that would be self-hate speech!) by patiently explaining why the State of Israel is unlike the Third Reich, except to say that nothing that has befallen the Palestinians under Israel’s control may responsibly be compared to what befell the Jews under Germany’s control, and that a considerable number of the people who have toiled diligently to find peace and justice for the Palestinians, and a solution to this savage conflict, have been Israeli, some of them even Israeli prime ministers. There is no support for the Palestinian cause this side of decency that can justify the locution “Zionist SS.” 41

The absurdity of the charge is also clear from the demography of the disputed territories. While detractors make outrageous claims about Israel committing genocide or ethnic cleansing, the Palestinian population has continued to grow exponentially. In Gaza, for example, the population increased from 731,000 in July 1994 to 1,657,155 in 2011, an increase of 127 percent. The growth rate was 3.2 percent, one of the highest in the world. The total Palestinian population in all the disputed territories (they include Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem) was 1,006,000 in 1950, 1,094,000 in 1970, and grew to 3,736,210 in 2011. 42

“Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is similar to the treatment of blacks in apartheid South Africa.” top


Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934:

We do not want to create a situation like that which exists in South Africa, where the whites are the owners and rulers, and the blacks are the workers. If we do not do all kinds of work, easy and hard, skilled and unskilled, if we become merely landlords, then this will not be our homeland. 36

Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights and are represented in all the branches of government. Arabs are represented in the Knesset, and have served in the Cabinet, high-level foreign ministry posts (e.g., Ambassador to Finland) and on the Supreme Court.

Under apartheid, skin color determined every aspect of your life from birth until death. Black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they formed the overwhelming majority of the population. Laws dictated where they could live, work, go to school and travel. And, in South Africa, the government killed blacks who protested against its policies. By contrast, Israel allows freedom of movement, assembly and speech. Some of the government’s harshest critics are Israeli Arabs who are members of the Knesset.

“The difference between the current Israeli situation and apartheid South Africa is emphasized at a very human level: Jewish and Arab babies are born in the same delivery room, with the same facilities, attended by the same doctors and nurses, with the mothers recovering in adjoining beds in a ward. Two years ago I had major surgery in a Jerusalem hospital: the surgeon was Jewish, the anaesthetist was Arab, the doctors and nurses who looked after me were Jews and Arabs. Jews and Arabs share meals in restaurants and travel on the same trains, buses and taxis, and visit each other’s homes.

Could any of this possibly have happened under apartheid? Of course not.”

— Benjamin Pogrund 37

The situation of Palestinians in the territories is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip that are not necessary inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders. Israeli policy is not based on race, but is a result of Palestinian animosity. Palestinians in the territories dispute Israel’s right to exist, whereas blacks did not seek the destruction of South Africa, only the apartheid regime.

If Israel were to give Palestinians full citizenship, it would mean the territories had been annexed. No Israeli government has been prepared to take that step. Instead, through negotiations, Israel agreed to give the Palestinians increasing authority over their own affairs. It is likely that a final settlement will allow most Palestinians to become citizens of their own state. The principal impediment to Palestinian independence is not Israeli policy, it is the unwillingness of the Palestinian leadership to give up terrorism and agree to live in peace beside Israel.

Despite all their criticism, when asked what governments they admire most, more than 80 percent of Palestinians consistently said Israel because they can see up close the thriving democracy in Israel, and the rights the Arab citizens enjoy there. By contrast, Palestinians place Arab regimes, including their own Palestinian Authority, at the bottom. 38


Hey icke!!!!


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barnacle bill wrote:
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apparently ickes injected so much jizz up yer ass it has clogged up yer brainz and is cuming out yer mouth........ thumbs up

wave wacky boobies

Fuck the Nazis (Real Nazis are Dead; Stop Prendenting)


Ickes tutor:



David Icke Debunked
[justify]This is 2.5 hour film from Chris White takes a very close look at
David Icke’s history and beliefs. It reveals the true sources of David
Icke’s theories which are often shocking , and should be very
concerning for a genuine seeker of truth. This is a well rounded
expose which is done respectfully, while still attempting to get the
average truther to reevaluate what they really know about the
“endgame” of the Illuminati.

A few of the things covered are:

His connections to Alice Bailey
His channeling several of Bailey’s specific “Ascended Masters” and
them being his lifelong guides.
The “Solar Logos” and “Galactic Logos”
The Seven Ray theory
The source of his galaxy-god to sun-god spiritual evolution is Bailey
The ghost of Carl Sagan
He supports “elite” worship of the sun
His new moon theory is retelling of his earlier crazy version
His moon theory is from Alice Bailey
The “Earth Spirit” or Gaia is from Alice Bailey
His support of Earth Spirit led Genocide
Atlantis and Lemuria
Hitler similarities include, Atlantis, spiritual evolution, arayans,
- Show quoted text -
the moon, hollow earth, Lemuria, contacting ascended masters, taking
drugs to increase the connection, and more.
Icke denounces Bailey and Lucius trust..and implications for him

Chapter 2
Brian Desborough, who is this guy?
Desborough’s crazy unbelievable story
Desborough is the source for a huge amount of material including the reptilians
Desborough introduces Arizona Wilder to Icke
Arizona “made to learn”
Ivan Fraser connection
Desborough writes “Alice in Wonderland”
Arizona’s “Old Ones” are really behind the NWO
Credo Mutwa
Reptilians on Youtube
Shapshifting according to Svali
Desborough’s new Jesus
Babylon supplied by Desborough
Debunking Babylon
David talks to “Jesus”
David has very conflicting views about the crucifixion
Davids claim to be “The Son of God” (actually his claim was that he IS
the second coming of Christ)
Debunking the Zeitgeist version of Jesus
Quick History
Queen of Heaven
Mother and child statues, Jesus and Mary
Dagon fish hat (pope)
Michael Talbot
The Holographic Universe
Holonomic Brain Theory
Sai Baba
The hypnotist that made the man see through his daughter.

Chapter 3
“The Guys.”
What it is
How he does it
Terrence Mckenna’s advice
Same thing with the 2012 history
Photon Belt
Demons in anthropology
Free will
Inspecting David’s testimony for clues
David preaches free will possession
Sleep Paralysis
David loses it in front of a painting
David’s infamous trip to Peru
History of that area of Peru
Ley Lines
Brazil with Ayahuasca
DMT the spirit molecule
The big question about the elves?
We are sitting ducks for the NWO
The REAL plan of the Illuminati.
Spiritual evolution
Promised utopia
ONLY out of the ashes
“Preparations until 2025”
“ Emphasis should be laid on the evolution of humanity.” – Alice Bailey
A deadly utopia for those who wont “evolve”
The paradox solution = The X factor
Alien invasion? intervention?
Religion must die
Saved from the war
The actual plan.


David Icke is a Neo-Nazi (Part Three): My Shadow, or the "Turd in the Punch Bowl"
I have felt, since first hearing of Mr. Icke, that he was put out there to discredit me specifically. His conspiracist sci-fi confabulations, or "research," tracks my own themes (mind control, political assassinations, fascist globalism, etc.) in a grossly distorted form.

He boosted my writing on the Simpson case whole, for instance, and mixed it up, defiled my research, with "Lizard Aliens." He's a repulsive parody of myself ...

I've attempted to read the capricious, wrong-headed "research" of David "Jesus" Icke, and found it an amateurish omelot of used conspiracy theories concocted by the John Birch Society and other far-right groups to discredit legitimate research on fascism, which is inherently conspiratorial. Most people, dumbed down by "mainstream" media, can't tell the difference, and Icke takes advantage of that fact to peddle stupid, far-right conspiracy theories and "alien" invasions.

Icke - who took up conspiracy writing, c. 1990 - about the time the CIA silenced me with constant harassment, torture and death threats - is tailor-made to cast a pall on my own field, my own work, and he's been doing it for years. - AC

" ... The death of Princess Diana? A ritual sacrifice of a moon goddess who had criticized her husband's reptilian royal family (443). ... "


The Robot's Rebellion is a conspiracy theory which claims a group of aliens and well-connected people, called the 'Illuminati', are manipulating and controlling world events with a view to establishing global domination.

One of Icke's main sources is a notorious document called the `Protocols of the Elders of Zion', which he renames `the Illuminati Protocols'. It states that Jews are trying to take over the world, and was used by the Nazis to justify the genocide of 6 million people. The Waffen SS used to carry copies in their knapsacks.

By using this document Icke denies the word of those historians who have demonstrated, beyond doubt, that the Protocols are a forgery. He also gives credence to those groups who still use the Protocols to justify their anti-Semitism. [end quote]

David Icke did extensive damage to the credibility of the Greens with his anti-Semitic writings and claims to be a son of god. His ongoing attempts to gain credibility for himself from his prior association with our party makes the damage all the more egregious and ongoing.

"WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD ~ Articles by David Icke WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD? by David Icke Official history is merely a veil to hide the truth of what really happened. ... "
www.scribd.com/doc/63663/David-Icke-Was-Hitler-A-Rothschild+david+icke+is+a+nazi&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">
Evening Standard (London)
Friday, 26 May, 1995,

The Dark Side of David Icke

He may seem like a harmless eccentric, but, says MARK HONIGSBAUM, some of the views put forward by self-styled guru David Icke, currently lecturing round Britain, are dangerously popular with anti-Semites and neo-Nazis.

It has become fashionable, even among adherents of the New Age, to dismiss David Icke as a crank. For a long time now the former Green Party spokesman and self-styled "Son of God" has been collecting fringe beliefs and theories like other people collect new shoes. UFOs, CIA "mind control", world apocalypse - you name it, David Icke has tried it.

But judging by the response to Icke's current lecture tour of Britain, he is no longer quite the figure of fun he used to be.

At a recent meeting in Glastonbury, for instance, more than 100 people paid 5 pounds each to hear his views. During the lecture, David Taylor, a national spokesman for the Green Party, repeatedly heckled Icke about his use of the notorious anti-Semitic forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Meanwhile, the Jewish Chronicle has been pressing Icke's Bath-based publisher, Gateway, to reveal the truth about the manuscript of his latest book, said to contain offensive revisionary passages about the Holocaust.

Now uncanny parallels are emerging between Icke's thoughts - if that
is not too grand a term for his mishmash of conspiracy theories and
New Age - and the writings of senior figures in the armed militia
movement in America. ...

David Icke, the Reptilian Infiltration, and the Limits of Science Fiction
By James Trimarco
2 April 2007

... The author goes on to postulate a race of reptilians that has controlled human society from its very beginning. These beings, which Icke calls by the Sumerian[3] word "Anunnaki," infiltrate human society through interbreeding with humans and placing their crossbred offspring into roles of power in human society. The evidence he offers to support this claim, as the late conspiracy expert Bill Keith has pointed out, is hardly of academic quality. The evidence ranges from crackpot etymology (vampires are reptilians because "Dracula" sounds like "Draco" and so on) to references to books that have been repeatedly debunked by scientific experts. Keith characterizes Icke's scholarly methodology as "Believe every goddamn weird thing anybody, anywhere ever said."

The poor quality of Icke's scholarship should be obvious to any reader with a middle-school education, and yet his work resonates with many people. A closer investigation into Icke's vision of Anunnaki infiltration helps to explain the appeal his writings have for his small but loyal group of followers. For Icke, the story of human enslavement by reptilian forces begins about 450,000 years ago. Paraphrasing a translation of a Sumerian tablet by the controversial Orientalist Alexander Sitchin, Icke describes the arrival of the Anunnaki in Africa for the purpose of mining gold. At first, the Anunnaki roped their own working classes into laboring in these mines, but later they developed humanity as a slave race through genetic engineering (6). While the original purpose of humanity's creation involved the exploitation of human labor, Icke argues that the Anunnaki have other, darker uses for human beings. Throughout The Biggest Secret, Icke points to the bloodiest and most difficult chapters in human history and blames each one on Anunnaki scheming. Human sacrifice? Demanded by reptilian overlords (38). British colonialism? Designed to wipe out indigenous knowledge and replace it with propaganda and mind-control (129).

The death of Princess Diana? A ritual sacrifice of a moon goddess who had criticized her husband's reptilian royal family (443). ...

Closing Comments: Don't Drink the Punch.

Do my comments and sources constitute an "ad hominem" attack? - yep-yep. I have no problem with calling people vile names so long as they are backed by real facts, not misbegotten impressions of the sort "AdamS," who opened this discussion, brought to me. If the shoe fits ...

Since part one, "AdamS" has commented that my response is largely "guilt by association" - but anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial are not guilt by association. Neither is publishing in Neo-Nazi publications, something I'd never do in five million years. Spotlight? Exposure? That makes him one of them, not tangentially "associated" but in the Nazi camp. Only a rank amateur or "fellow traveller" would accuse me of "ad hominem" and "guilt by association" here. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion? Lizards from the fourth-dimension? How stupid does it have to get before his readers question this crap? What's next? The Protocols of Satanic, Jewish Gay Clowns from the Dog Star?

I'm an anti-nazi who exposes the Holocaust. My Birchite "shadow" is a neo-nazi who denies it. There is no common ground here, and anyone who calls Icke - as a publisher in Santa Barbara once did - "the British Alex Constantine," is a hopeless nutter. I once heard a 9/11 researcher interviewed on NPR refer to Icke as a "turd in the punchbowl." Drink at your own discretion, but know what you're swallowing.

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Re: David Icke - The Green Globalist...!!!

Post  MoMo on Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:28 am

McKallisti Of The Sods wrote:David Icke - The Green Globalist...!!!

The One World Ideology of David Icke... Or 'The Enemy Within'
By Dexter Raymond 3rd
October 2002

David Icke is one of the star performers in that community of disparate and mostly unaccredited researchers devoted to exposing the who, where, what, how and why behind the New World Order. And, by all reports, he does so more effectively than most. "David Icke is the closest thing to a rock star the conspiracy set has", the Fortean Times (August 2001) observed in its report on Conspiracy Convention 2001 held in Santa Clara, California. "He's a performer, a showman. He pulls it all together, all the theories – just absorbs them and compiles them…it's Icke who makes them sexy", gushed one attendee.

Such adulation is not something that Icke modestly shucks off; on the contrary he has a very, very high opinion of himself and the impact of his ideas, evident in the unpretentious subtitles to his books: "The book that will change the world" (The Biggest Secret), "The most explosive book of the 20th century" (…and the truth shall set you free), and "The Story of the Spiritual Renaissance" (The Robots' Rebellion). While his latest book, Children of the Matrix, is peppered with quotes at the head of each chapter from a range of notables, including Einstein and Socrates, on the nature of truth and how those who reveal it are often ridiculed by lesser minds until the truth is finally accepted. His website opens with Icke described as the "most controversial speaker in the world". And lest there be any doubt that Icke's message is profound, one is offered the same choice that confronted Keanu Reeves character "Neo" in the film The Matrix of taking the "blue pill" and staying with ones present conception of "reality" or taking the "red pill" to find the "truth", in this case by entering Icke's website. Exposed to Icke's own self-promotion one cannot help but come to the conclusion that he regards himself as a brilliant individual whose insights are truly unique and earth changing.

These surprisingly flagrant claims to genius do serve a purpose. It enables Icke, who has attracted more than his fair share of public ridicule and humiliation over the years, to rise above the frenzied, even bigoted, howls of derision that his most recent claims have generated. Ridicule that has even come from within the N.W.O. research community following his claims that the rich and powerful, among them the British Royal Family, are in fact child abusing and sacrificing shape-changing reptilians, part of an ancient cabal which has controlled humanity for thousands of years and is now striving to build a "global fascist state". The "biggest crock to be foisted on the public in many moons", N.W.O. researcher Jim Keith wrote of Icke's The Biggest Secret, before his untimely death. Nexus editor Duncan Roads registered his disappointment with Icke's "dubious allegations" and described The Biggest Secret as "poorly researched" (Nexus, June-July 1999).

In the furious dispute that ensued, Icke was to remain resolute in his belief that he was right all along and damned his critics as part of the conspiracy. He has maintained his stance, evident in one his most recent books Children of the Matrix (he has since launched Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster) In Matrix Icke tells the reader it is because he is "free of any dogmatic belief system" and has learned "not to give a damn what people think and said" about him, that he has been able to see the truth which eludes others. Icke also consoles himself with the claim that "many condemned and ridiculed ideas in the past have later become conventional wisdom" (p.xv). These comments are illuminating about Icke's particular mind-set. Personal survival in the face of public ridicule involves building walls, and Icke has built strong ones. But, we might still note, that not all conventional wisdom was once ridiculed; and not all ridiculed ideas become conventional wisdom…most are either forgotten or take their place in the pantheon of wacky ideas of times past. Icke's walls, it seems, not only protect him from ridicule, but also keep out reason.

But for the purpose of this missive we will be taking a leaf or two out of Icke's books and will transcend Icke's own "conditioned reality" in search of the truth. And from this one might note that when we dare to think about it, and if we choose to sidestep his claims to unrecognised brilliance; that Icke's message is not that far removed from the prescriptions of the One Worlders he fulminates against. This may seem incredible and illogical to his legions of fans, but his books and lectures, far from being an unequivocal rejection of the concept of One World, are an insidious endorsement of the concept. And his model of One World is no less alarming for the implications for personal liberty than the apparently imminent "global fascist state" he rails against. It is difficult to believe and any reasonable person familiar with his works would conclude that such analysis must be mistaken, but having raised the allegation we are compelled to consider if the facts support it.

Some Background: The Limits to Growth

David Icke's "One World" ideology is not a new thing, and certainly not the product of any stretch of the imagination on the part of this author. It is a fact. And it is belief system Icke has held for well over a decade and which he remains committed to, despite all that he proclaims.

For the discerning Icke fan one must start with his 1989 book It Doesn't Have To Be Like This, written when he had become national spokesman for the British Green Party. Hidden Mysteries Books claims that It Doesn't Have To Be Like This "lets you see the early ‘grassroot movement' of the Green Party" before it was "corrupted with non-green goals and agendas" and "corrupted with fascists…" This is wishful thinking. Although mostly concerned with domestic policy, Icke's first book is peppered with globalist prescriptions that would not be out of place in many a pro-New World Order tract…

In the introduction, Icke wrote that his book would "outline the Green vision of a human race that lives in harmony with the planet; of a country and a planet that puts the needs of all peoples before the wants of a few." These very words confirm Icke's book as a classic example of what we might describe as "green globalism." Icke endorsed most of the one-world environmental themes that became popular in the 1970s, as well as the internationalist themes of the nuclear disarmament movement and socialist opposition to global capitalism.

Thus back in 1989 we find Icke repeating such Malthusian arguments that both population and economic growth are leading to a global environmental catastrophe. These scenarios of imminent ecological doom and the need for global solutions, as most good N.W.O. researchers would know, were heavily popularised in the 1970s by the Club of Rome studies The Limits to Growth and Mankind at the Turning Point, the Carter Administration's study, The Global 2000 Report to the President, and Lester R. Brown's (currently better known as the Director of the Rockefeller funded Worldwatch Institute) bestselling book World Without Borders (1973), and incidentally by the Rockefeller funded Population Council.

The message of these books and the Council was simple, as were the solutions offered: only through strengthened supranational organisations and profound socio-cultural change could we hope to prevent the inevitable global environmental catastrophe caused by rampant economic and population growth. "The basic behaviour mode of the world system is exponential growth of population and capital, followed by collapse", warned Limits to Growth. To prevent this Limits endorsed a halt to industrialisation, stabilising population growth and encouraging people to spurn material yearnings in favour of education and recreational pursuits. Lester Brown argued that mankind's values, especially those favouring economic growth were "inconsistent with [mankind's] survival" and were "becoming threats to our future well-being." Brown's solution to this dilemma followed the familiar pattern:
"Man must evolve a new social ethic, one which emphasises economic and demographic stability and the recycling of raw materials. Such an ethic replaces international competition with global cooperation and sees man in harmony with nature rather than having dominion over nature (WWB, p.39)."
In 1989 Icke echoed these doom laden assessments without question, informing the reader that "nothing can go on growing forever without destroying itself" (p.7), and "the economic order is the cause of all the trouble" (p.9). It was, wrote Icke, an "illusion...that you can go on having more unquestioned economic growth on top of growth year after year...." (p.13). Indeed, Icke went further asserting that the "first rule of green politics, truly green politics" is:
"You cannot divorce the economic system and human values from the destruction of the planet. You can't because one causes the other. You can't have uncontrolled market forces and indiscriminate economic expansion, you can't have free-for-all consumerism and shockingly wasteful energy policies and protect the planet you simply can't. (p.17)"
Icke attacked the "system", the "suicidal conveyor belt" of "unlimited, uncontrolled, uncaring growth" which is "destroying tomorrow" (p.14). Chapter 3, "The Growth Obsession" carried these arguments further; and under a sub-heading "The limits to growth" – surely a coincidence – Icke claimed the "environmental limitations" of economic growth were "now becoming obvious" (p.38). The need for population control was explored in chapter 6, Icke reminding us that it "does not take a genius to work out that a population cannot continue to soar while their home, the Earth, stays the same size" (p.83).

Icke canvassed a number of solutions to overpopulation including ending poverty and emancipating women. Eliminating poverty was not as benevolent as it sounded with Icke declaring his "sympathy" for the view that the destruction of traditional societies by "growth development" was at fault. According to Icke, the "Coca-Cola society" that we had "imposed" on the Third World "for our benefit" had "shattered these societies and generated enormous fear, confusion and instability." Thus resulting in the Third World producing too many children (pp.84-5). Such sentiments confirm Icke as a purveyor of the conceits and deceits all too typical of his kind: from the exhausting luxuries of post-industrial Britain, Icke romanticises pre-industrial societies as simple, spiritual and pure, conveniently ignoring their brutality, grinding poverty and oppressive superstitions, while pouring scorn on development (even if the people affected want it). And like most "concerned" environmentalists from rich countries, as much as he venerates the "noble savages" and Third World peasants, Icke can't abide the fact there's just too many of them…

Nevertheless Icke offered no specific solution to this poverty, except to hint that a return to "traditional societies" might be the way to go. But of more concern to anti-N.W.O. researchers and activists is Icke's statement that the Green Party would seek to solve over-population "both by direct aid and influencing countries through European Community, the United Nations and the World Bank" (p.86). And woe unto us all if we did not act now:
"Once again humankind has a choice to make. We can be sensible and limit our numbers voluntarily or we can go on until nature does it for us with disease and hunger. That will be deeply unpleasant for those around at the time…and the time isn't too far off (p.87)."
Like most green globalists Icke also indulged in socialist economics. Consequently we find that Icke rejected free trade claiming it promoted too much competition and lead to increased pollution. Icke's solution was to increase tariffs to deter trade (pp.56-58). And he attacked multi-national corporations (MNCs) because of their "shocking" role (p.68) and "callous disregard for human life and human dignity" (p.70). Icke proposed monitoring the MNC's through the UN and using the European Community to impose "world-wide" rules on corporate behaviour. Ultimately Icke claimed that "Green Government" would seek to "break-up" the MNCS into "smaller, less powerful units on at least a national and ideally a regional basis" (pp.80-81). That all these proposals would involve the massive increase in the power and intrusiveness of government to the detriment of personal freedom, was not something Icke casually avoided, probably because he did not care.

Icke also advocated complete nuclear disarmament. Such sentiments are hardly controversial, having a history dating back to the emergence of the world government movement in the late 1940s. And in 1980s such issues remained quite topical, but in view of his current writings some of Icke's specific proposals are curious to say the least. Claiming that Soviet President Gorbachev's apparent eagerness to disarm could spur nuclear disarmament, Icke not only endorsed taking advantage of the opportunity, but also suggested strengthening the UN's role in disarmament:
"The only safe nuclear weapons are dismantled nuclear weapons…Once they are gone the United Nations should set up an organisation to cut arms spending to ensure that no one possesses nuclear weapons or is in the process of making them. Failure to permit UN inspections should result in immediate and total economic sanctions by all member countries until those inspections have been allowed. The same should apply to all chemical and biological weapons. (p.167)"
But Icke did not stop there, going on to make a few last plaintive pleas for unity among humankind and an end to the arms race:
"The arms story shows how clearly how humankind have lost their way, lost their grip on reality. This can't go on or we won't go on. We have to stop squaring up to each other and start co-operating in a new sense of partnership. We must join together to fight the real battle to win back the future. To do that we need total nuclear disarmament and serious conventional disarmament until we only have weapons of defence. (p.172)"
We might also note, in concluding this quick review of Icke's book that his messianic tendencies were evident even then, well before Icke completely succumbed to the psychic attack and began to question and then redefine the nature of reality. Thus we find at the start of his book this confident assertion:
"The Green movement is now growing to span the world it is dedicated to protect....We are setting the agenda and will continue to do so because the Earth will demand it. The world will have a green future or no future. (p.11; emphasis added)." [Note: original formatting lost. -IA]
And at the end we discover a paragraph with sentiments that are now vastly expanded in all of Icke's books, but also strangely reminiscent of Brown's calls for a "new social ethic" or even Trilateral Commission founder Zbigniew Brzezinski's' wistful talk of an "emerging global consciousness" or "universal awareness" that "inevitably clashes with the last hundred and fifty years of national and ideological conflict" (Encounter, November 1968). Indeed, Icke was as certain as Brzezinski when he wrote:
"There is a quiet, peaceful revolution taking place in the hearts and minds of millions of people in this country and hundreds of millions around this world we all share. It is the dawning of a new age of consciousness about our links with the rest of creation and how we are so physically and emotionally dependent upon them. (p206)"
So what we have here, by Icke's own hand, is a golden example of the very thing both Icke and countless other N.W.O researchers have warned us [against]: the prospect of nuclear war or environmental catastrophe being presented as compelling reasons for moving towards centralised global controls, including strengthening the UN and complete global disarmament. And remember, Icke wrote it…

The True Believer

The obvious question is: how much of this stuff does Icke believe now? We might note his casual put-down of the British Green Party as the "global headquarters of Navel Contemplators Anonymous" (COM, p.14). Although that bad blood is perhaps inevitable after the Green Party and Icke fell out over his somewhat eccentric turn in the early 1990s. Of more importance, though, is that despite all that he has discovered about the originators of many of the ideas he once advocated, Icke avidly maintains the green globalist faith.

Some examples will suffice to prove this contention. On the limits to growth Icke remains convinced that unchecked population and economic growth will eventually devastate the Earth. "Greens are ridiculed for their policy of a no-growth economy. But what could be more sensible and efficient?", Icke wrote in Robots Rebellion. "No growth is sustainable, because we live on a planet of finite size with a finite ability to take punishment" (p.255). There has been some backtracking with Icke solemnly warning readers about the Club of Rome's Limits to Growth and how its arguments "have been widely quoted by the environmental movement." And also much detail is suddenly given to the genocidal intent [of] Global 2000, the evils of the Worldwatch Institute and the Rockefeller funded Population Council. Icke is of course, heavily reliant on an EIR Special Report on Global 2000 for much of these revelations, which he – or his research team – merely recycles without much self-examination on Icke's part (…ATTSSYF, pp.176-9).

But even then Icke still doesn't repudiate his views on that issue. There are, he writes, "limits to growth if you are talking about the constant expansion of what we take from the planet and throw at her in pollution" (p.179). He goes on to warn us about Elite using the environmental threat as a reason for centralised global controls (pp.180-2). Icke even mentions how as a member of the Green Party he could "see how many of the responses of the environmental movement resulted from the Club of Rome and Global 2000, approach to both problems and solutions" (p.179). Right David, just like in your book It Doesn't Have To Be Like This? No? You're not going to mention your little transgression? Perhaps not.

On the contrary, Icke still endorses It Doesn't Have To Be Like This on his website and refers readers to certain segments in that book in his other works (e.g. COM, p.348; Robots' Rebellion, 258, 262.). Yet his previous green globalist fervour is dutifully ignored, completely erased from Icke's past, but if we look closely the "one-world" themes crop up again and again and again…
The "Law of One"
Evidence that Icke remains attracted to this green globalist and collectivist mentality can be found in the section in Matrix on the "Law of One". Drawing heavily from W.T. Samsel's channelled work The Atlantis Connection, Icke introduces us to the philosophy of the "Law of One" – "the understanding that everything is the same energy expressing itself in different forms…that everything is connected to everything else…" – that supposedly guided the early inhabitants of Atlantis and Lemuria between 100,000 and 48,000 years ago (COM, pp.17-18). However, this Atlantean-Lemurian utopia with its "positive intent and…harmony with the natural laws", was not destined to last. Corruption soon came in the form of an extraterrestrial race that interbred with the locals forming a "white royal lineage" who controlled the "Atlantean Temple of the Sun" – "Today…known as the Illuminati" (p.18).

Samsel's account paints the Temple of the Sun as being driven by "greed and lust for power". They prevailed over the One Temple, establishing a global empire that was finally destroyed in a global cataclysm. Icke draws on this account to make the following remarkable observation:
The tussle between the Atlantean advocates of the Law of One and the opposing Temple of the Sun is highly significant. The Temple of the Sun has been the religion of the Illuminati from Atlantis/Lemuria right through to the present time…Put simply, the Law of One sees everything as connected, part of the same unified whole, and the Temple of the Sun represents the desire to present everything as unconnected and isolated from everything else. One seeks to unite, the other to divide and, therefore, rule. (COM, p.19)
[I just want to interject here that in the clash between the "Law of One" and the "Temple of the Sun," it's not a question of one ideology being good and the other evil, but rather, of finding a balance between the two. You need to see how everything forms a whole, but also the individual pieces. You need reason, but also intuition; male and female; etc. I'm talking metaphorically, of course -- I'm not saying I literally believe what Icke wrote in that passage (though it would form an interesting basis for a creation myth for the white race, with sub-Saharan blacks having the least amount of extraterrestrial -- i.e., divine -- blood, hence being "the most in tune with nature," and whites having the most, thus having a greater ability to think outside of the natural order, having been endowed with more of the essence of the Creator/s). -IA]

This passage is remarkable because of its implications, which are indeed extraordinary when considered in light of Icke's loud proclamations of opposition to the Illuminati's plans for a "global fascist state"; but because of Icke's effective system of doctrinal control, uncritically absorbed by most readers. So we must consider this: the "Law of One", which Icke lauds for its "positive intent", as it portrays everyone and everything as "connected to everything else" and "seeks to unite"; is defeated by the Temple of the Sun, identified by Icke as the "religion of the Illumanti", "right through to the present time" which presents "everything as unconnected and isolated from everything else" and seeks to "divide and…rule." Thus, in one simple paragraph Icke unashamedly endorses the ideology of global collectivism, characterising it as a more natural philosophy in contrast to the notions of individualism, nationalism and other sub-global forms of political organisation, which he implies as tainted unnatural ideals; the product of a corrupt and literally alien way of thinking.


Of course, Icke's apparent belief in a golden age of global unity under the "Law of One", causes him some significant problems later when he tries to explain the logic behind the alleged plot to form a "global fascist state". Indeed, his attempts to reconcile his theory on the Illumanti's plans for both "divide and rule" and to establish "world government" generate some of one of the biggest contradictions in his canon.

One might note that it is truism to say that Icke's recent books contain some significant contradictions – something Icke happily denies, showing his contempt for his audience, by assuring us that that there are no contradictions in his works as he is in "reality" merely accessing different dimensions (COM, p.423).* Scattered throughout his books are countless contradictions, and, of course, numerous factual errors. But it is the contradictions in his basic theory of N.W.O. plot that are of greater importance. And there is one in particular that stands out. But one that, for some unknown reason; possibly a consequence of Icke's doctrinal control, his insistence that he is breaking ground, or even because of tacit support from the Anunnaki-Illuminati-Reptilians-Brotherhood-"All-Seeing-Eye" Cult axis of evil (for simplicity's sake we will refer to it as the "AIRBASE cabal") he rails against; that has escaped serious comment from both his public critics and supporters.

The implications of this unresolved contradiction becomes clear if we start by examining one of the key theoretical underpinnings of Icke's four books, his notion of "Problem-Reaction-Solution." The following explanation by Icke in Children of the Matrix (pp.7-) will suffice:
"[This] technique works like this: you know that if you openly propose to remove basic freedoms, start a war, or centralise power, there will be a public reaction against it. So you use problem-reaction-solution. At stage one you create a problem. It could be a country attacking another, a government or economic collapse, or a terrorist bomb. Anything, in fact that the public thinks requires a "solution". At stage two, you report the "problems" you have covertly created in the way you wish the people perceive them. You find someone to blame…and you spin the background to these events in a way that encourages the people to demand that "something must be done". These are the words you wish to hear because it allows you to move on to stage three, the sting. You then openly offer the solutions to the problems you have yourself created…With this technique you can so manipulate the public mind that they will demand that you do what, in normal circumstances they would vehemently oppose."
His conception is a slightly confused reinterpretation of the famed "Hegelian Dialectic" of thesis-antithesis-synthesis, referred to by most New World Order researchers, but it carries the same basic message that the most effective means of getting people to embrace your desired outcome, be it world government for example, is by creating a crisis of such a magnitude that it compels people to embrace the preferred policy. Icke defender Richard Finnegan points out an academic article (cf. Baumgarten & Jones, The Journal of Politics, November 1991) which lends credence to this tactic and if we put store in academia then we might do well say that Icke is right, but obviously not original, in pointing out this apparent strategy. After all, the "Hegelian Dialectic" features prominently in Spotlight, the now defunct magazine Icke acknowledges having read while in the US in the early 1990s escaping from ridicule in the UK.

Divide and Rule

But that aside, it is inevitable that Icke runs into deep trouble when trying to explain how the AIRBASE cabal has used P-R-S to achieve their goals. Consider first, Icke's description of the AIRBASE cabal's strategy:
"The Anunnaki covert empire…has manipulated the world once more to the brink of global dictatorship…tribes have been brought together into nations; the nations are being brought together into power blocs like the European Union; and the final stage which we are now seeing unfold, is to bring the power blocs together under a world government, central bank and currency. (COM, p.335)"
Icke then goes on to describe how the Problem-Reaction-Solution tactic has been employed in this strategy:
"The plan has always been to create so many "problems" in the world that the only answer to them is perceived to be a global government to "sort out the mess" (problem-reaction-solution). What the public has not been told – until now – is that those pressing for world government are the same people who are creating the problems to justify it. (COM, pp.241-42)"
This all seems fair enough until we consider Icke's next comments which expose a fundamental contradiction in that the underlying philosophy he attributes to the AIRBASE cabal is very much at odds with the intended outcome of their alleged plans.
"Another scam is to persuade us that a world government would be the way to bring all the people together as one humanity, caring and sharing, and recognising we are all one family. Very nice sentiment on the face of it, but from the Illumanti point of view, that is their worst nightmare. They want humanity to be divided and ruled, not united and free. They use terms like "Global Village", "Global Commons", "Global Neighbourhood", and "One World" to manipulate people into missing the fundamental difference between "One World" (coming together in mutual support and co-operation) and a global centralised fascist dictatorship. (COM, p.342)"
Analysed further we find that Icke's arguments actually posit the impossible union of an irreconcilable set of beliefs:
The AIRBASE cabal behind the New World Order, employing the "problem-reaction-solution" formula, is creating conflict and other crises to encourage global unity under the aegis of a world state.
The essential philosophy of that same AIRBASE cabal is the antithesis of unity, the natural human state; instead they promote individualism, nationalism and hence division, because those values reflect their own corrupt alien mentality.

So Icke's belief (1) carries with it the implication that global unity is not natural and therefore the AIRBASE cabal is intent on undermining the present system of nation-states to cultivate support for that unnatural world unity. But belief (2) suggests that global unity is natural and the AIRBASE cabal is irrevocably opposed to "natural" world government by instigating warfare and other forms of competition. Or to put it another way: according to Icke's own explanations the basic belief-system of the AIRBASE cabal is the exact opposite of that required for true global unity, that is a collectivist mind-set; yet that same divided, individualistic cabal is supposedly behind the plot to establish a "global fascist state." Talk us through that one David.

So Icke has created a logical trap for himself, which naturally makes one wonder if Icke has really thought his ideas through that well, especially when we consider that Icke, after telling us that the AIRBASE cabal are responsible for introducing conflict and competition into the human psyche, as a means of furthering global unity by obviously discrediting nationalism and individualism, he then explicitly advocates global unity as the solution. Has Icke been caught in the AIRBASE cabal's PRS scheme? Or is Icke the author of his own?

If we think about it, in a way all three PRS steps are evident in the essential argumentative structure of Icke's works. In fact Icke's openly stated goal is to get us to embrace his "new consciousness", to become as "One". But his problem is winning us over, so he adopts the PRS stratagem to scare people into adopting his belief-system (sorry, his "truth"). Thus: in step (1) Icke identifies the problem facing us, claiming that certain human activities, especially competitive behaviour is in fact false and unnatural, the product of dastardly Satanic child-abusing and sacrificing "lower fourth dimension" reptilians who seem to control all aspects of our society and now want the world; this naturally leads into step (2), his terrifying tales prompting a horrified reaction from his customers; and finally we go into step (3) where Icke promotes his globalist ideology, insisting that we shed our corrupt values and embrace the globalist "Law of One" as the "natural" solution to overcome this threat.

Icke's Good Globalism: "World Cooperation" not "World Government"

Icke tries to resolve that dilemma by fostering the notion of "good' and "bad" globalism, just like the misnamed "anti-globalisation" movement. Consider Noam Chomsky's statement to the World Social Forum held in Brazil in February 2002:
"The freaks at the "anti-forum" here are defined as being "opposed to globalisation", a propaganda weapon we should reject with scorn. "Globalisation" just means international integration. No sane person is "anti-globalisation.""
On this assessment, Chomsky was well preceded by others, including Icke. In his first foray into the conspiracy scene, The Robots Rebellion, Icke made the following observations about the centralisation of political power from Westminster, to Europe through to the world:
It is all leading towards the Brotherhood dream of a World Government and I even hear some intelligent, caring people supporting the idea, often from the best intentions. I say again and again…NO, NO, NO. As with most changes that give power to the few, it can be presented as highly desirable. If we had a World Government, they say, we could stop this or stop that, do this, or do that. Others believe that the move towards World Government is a natural part of our evolution and journey towards wholeness. We started in tribes and communities, this way of thinking suggests, and we are evolving through national and continental government into World Government. I challenge this few. World Cooperation and World Government are not the same thing. (p.274)
Icke's vision of "World Cooperation", curiously explained in some detail only in The Robots Rebellion, is hardly the stuff that most anti-New World Order activists dream of as the desired alternative. Indeed, it is positively frightening if we look past Icke's constant fear-inducing calls to act now and embrace the "new consciousness", dispensing with all those values that divide us (but also make us different), so we can all collectively prevent the imminent reptilian-inspired "global fascist dictatorship" just around the corner…

In his "One World" fantasy, Icke posits the fairly laudable aim of devolving economic and political control to communities. This sounds fair enough, except that Icke's Arcadia is built on a hitherto unimaginable global conformity of thought. He writes, "With the new consciousness, cooperating will come naturally without the need for laws and regulations of the kind we have today" (p.276). This "new consciousness" says much about Icke's vision, which is of a society clearly devoid of individuality, where social interactions are governed not by rules but "natural" instincts. Social order will be innate, much like ants and bees… But wait there's more. This means that contemporary democratic politics, with all its flaws, will be gone: "Eventually we will see the end of political parties. They are the product of a divided humanity and have no place in the new tomorrow" (p.275). And what will be in its place, one might ask, the "dictatorship of the proletariat"?

Icke's answer is hardly reassuring, suggesting a multi-tiered system for global order with "neighbourhood councils" at its core. Encompassing a few streets, these would form "because circumstances and awakening consciousness would demand them." That is one gets no choice in the matter as all will be united in unquestioning conformity with the dominant ideology of "love." While the "neighbourhood councils", one suspects, will be much like those arbiters of conformity in Cuba, the so-called "Revolutionary Councils", perhaps? But still, there is more… Above that level would be the "Community Council", to which the "neighbourhood councils" would contribute representatives. Working alongside the "Community Council" would be a "community forum" to give everyone a say; and to decide economic matters there would be an "community economic co-operative" dominated by the elected representatives to deal with day-to-day management, while an "economic forum" would give everyone a chance to speak. The "task of community economies" in the ominously named "transition period" would be to provide basic aid but in "ways that are environmentally sustainable" (pp.276-78).

At the next tier would be "regional government" tasked with managing relations between the communities. And above that, in place of national governments, deemed unnecessary by Icke, the "next level of representation" would be "continental". Although they would cover similar areas to the European Union they would act as "forums and coordinators, not governments." The continental entities would "arbitrate on disagreements between regions", ensure that regions were not harming others "economically and environmentally", and provide relief for disasters. Finally, above this would be a "World Forum", which, Icke assures us, "is not the same as World Government." How is that so? The "World Forum" would be a place for representatives from the continental forums "to meet and discuss topics that affected the whole world." Although having no army at its disposal – Icke claims that "all armies will be dismantled when the transformation of consciousness is well underway" – the World Forum would have "powers to intervene to prevent environmental degradation that had global implications" (pp.278-). Which gives those of us appalled by Icke's collectivist vision of the future the faint hope that some glimmers of individualism will remain…until the "new consciousness"-driven "World Forum" stamps them out...........

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