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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:11 pm

And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal

Thomson union printer raided over credit card
Kate McClymont
February 24, 2012 - 6:22PM


Businessman John Gilleland at his Palm Beach home this morning during a police raid. Photo: Ben Rushton

Police this morning raided the house of the man accused
of providing secret commissions to the Health Services Union's former
general secretary Craig Thomson and the union's head Michael Williamson.


Detectives from Strike Force Carnarvon executed a search
warrant at the Palm Beach house of printer John Gilleland, 65, and his
wife, Carron, shortly before 7am today.


Several hours later, police from the computer crime squad arrived to assist in the search of the Gillelands' house.


Labor MP and former HSU general secretary Craig Thomson, who was provided with a credit card by Mr Gilleland. Photo: Andrew Meares


A Herald investigation last year revealed that
Mr Williamson and Mr Thomson were provided with American Express cards
by Mr Gilleland, who runs a graphic design and printing business.


The credit cards were issued in the names of Mr Thomson
and Mr Williamson, but were attached to Mr Gilleland's account and the
bills incurred on those cards were allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland.


The Herald has previously reported that Mrs
Gilleland allegedly complained to senior union officials that Mr
Williamson had "run amok" with the credit card.



Mr Gilleland's wife Carron complained that Union boss
Michael Williamson (pictured) had 'run amok' with the credit card he
was issued by her husband
. Photo: Ben Rushton


He even paid his private school fees on it; this was not
part of the deal,
" Mrs Gilleland allegedly said.
Mrs Gilleland today
denied that this occurred or that the converstation ever took place.


Mr Gilleland's company, Communigraphix, which he runs
from his two-storey house in Barrenjoey Road, receives $680,000 a year
to produce 10 issues of the union's newsletter,
the Health Standard.


Either offering or receiving a benefit as an inducement
to act in a certain way in business dealings may constitute a criminal
offence, which can attract penalties of up to seven years' imprisonment.


Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and
Mr Thomson, who became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have
denied any wrongdoing.


This morning's police raid is not the printer's first brush with the law.

In 1984, he and his brother, Ian, were arrested by federal police
over their alleged role in using their printing company to produce
counterfeit German currency.


The quality of the notes was so good that they were given a seven out of 10 rating by the Reserve Bank.

While John Gilleland was acquitted by a jury in 1986, at a
subsequent trial, Ian was found guilty and sentenced to five years'
jail.


Mr Thomson is subject of two other investigations being
conducted by the Victorian Police and Fair Work Australia
into
allegations that he used his union-issued credit card to withdraw
$100,000 in cash advances and to pay for prostitutes. This is a separate
card to the one that was the subject of today's police raid.


Do you know more? kmcclymont@smh.com.au

This reporter is on Twitter: @Kate_McClymont

Read more:
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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:24 pm

Government accused of interfering in Thomson investigation
AAP, Yahoo!7
February 1, 2012, 5:43 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/12782817/government-accused-of-interfering-in-thomson-investigation/

But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...

News poll

Who do you want as Prime Minister?


Vote

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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:33 pm

What is Roxon’s word worth now?
Andrew Bolt – Friday, February 24, 12 (10:10 am)

What Attorney General Nicola Roxon says now about Kevin Rudd being a rotten leader with rotten ideas:

Ms Roxon said that as prime minister Kevin Rudd wanted to hold a
<blockquote>referendum on a federal takeover of the health system at the same time
as the 2010 election.

Mr Rudd had been advised the referendum wouldn’t succeed but
nevertheless “thought it would be a good tool to be able to win the
election”, Ms Roxon said…

I said, ‘Yeah, but we wouldn’t win the referendum. Look at the history of referendums..

“But many of those things, including the biggest proposals that Kevin
wanted to act on, he wanted with four days notice on one occasion that I
can recollect, to take over the entire health system, didn’t have any
materials for cabinet, didn’t have legal advice.”

Ms Roxon said that was a “ludicrous” way to run a government.



</blockquote>But if the referendum was such a stupid idea, bound to fail, why did Roxon say the opposite in 2010, and try so hard to sell it?

Health Minister Nicola Roxon in April 2010:


<blockquote>We do have legal advice and it is a long-standing protocol that that is
not released and what it makes clear is that if we want to put beyond
doubt the power that we have, a referendum would be required.... But
the second point, which is very important, is that we committed to doing
this if we couldn’t reach an agreement with the States and
Territories...But
giving the public a say on something which is a practical and
significant change to our federation is something that we stand by and
believe should be followed through
if we are unable to reach an agreement tomorrow…

But we’ve committed to doing it. We think that it is necessary to
clarify the power that the Commonwealth would have and to give a very
clear mandate for the future direction


Roxon in February, 2010:
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon ... repeated a warning that a public referendum on the package would go ahead if it was not finalised today, although also said the meeting would continue overnight if an agreement looked close.

“If (reform) is not agreed today, the consequences are that we will be
going to a referendum, where the public will have a chance to say
whether they would like to see these reforms introduced,” she said.

</blockquote>Roxon in April 2010:
<blockquote>NICOLA ROXON, HEALTH MINISTER: If it’s
necessary for us to bring the Parliament back earlier in order to debate
a referendum bill then we’re certainly making plans to enable that… The
numbers speak for themselves. Referendums haven’t got a high success
rate in Australia but referendums on health matters actually do have quite a high success rate.


What is Roxon’s word worth now? When she sells a policy as great, does she really believe it?
</blockquote>
Is she just following orders?
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Thomson union printer raided over credit card
Kate McClymont
February 24, 2012 - 6:22PM


Businessman John Gilleland at his Palm Beach home this morning during a police raid. Photo: Ben Rushton

Police this morning raided the house of the man accused
of providing secret commissions to the Health Services Union's former
general secretary Craig Thomson and the union's head Michael Williamson.


Detectives from Strike Force Carnarvon executed a search
warrant at the Palm Beach house of printer John Gilleland, 65, and his
wife, Carron, shortly before 7am today.


Several hours later, police from the computer crime squad arrived to assist in the search of the Gillelands' house.


Labor MP and former HSU general secretary Craig Thomson, who was provided with a credit card by Mr Gilleland. Photo: Andrew Meares


A Herald investigation last year revealed that
Mr Williamson and Mr Thomson were provided with American Express cards
by Mr Gilleland, who runs a graphic design and printing business.


The credit cards were issued in the names of Mr Thomson
and Mr Williamson, but were attached to Mr Gilleland's account and the
bills incurred on those cards were allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland.


The Herald has previously reported that Mrs
Gilleland allegedly complained to senior union officials that Mr
Williamson had "run amok" with the credit card.



Mr Gilleland's wife Carron complained that Union boss
Michael Williamson (pictured) had 'run amok' with the credit card he
was issued by her husband
. Photo: Ben Rushton


He even paid his private school fees on it; this was not
part of the deal,
" Mrs Gilleland allegedly said.
Mrs Gilleland today
denied that this occurred or that the converstation ever took place.


Mr Gilleland's company, Communigraphix, which he runs
from his two-storey house in Barrenjoey Road, receives $680,000 a year
to produce 10 issues of the union's newsletter,
the Health Standard.


Either offering or receiving a benefit as an inducement
to act in a certain way in business dealings may constitute a criminal
offence, which can attract penalties of up to seven years' imprisonment.


Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and
Mr Thomson, who became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have
denied any wrongdoing.


This morning's police raid is not the printer's first brush with the law.

In 1984, he and his brother, Ian, were arrested by federal police
over their alleged role in using their printing company to produce
counterfeit German currency.


The quality of the notes was so good that they were given a seven out of 10 rating by the Reserve Bank.

While John Gilleland was acquitted by a jury in 1986, at a
subsequent trial, Ian was found guilty and sentenced to five years'
jail.


Mr Thomson is subject of two other investigations being
conducted by the Victorian Police and Fair Work Australia
into
allegations that he used his union-issued credit card to withdraw
$100,000 in cash advances and to pay for prostitutes. This is a separate
card to the one that was the subject of today's police raid.


Do you know more? kmcclymont@smh.com.au

This reporter is on Twitter: @Kate_McClymont

Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/thomson-union-printer-raided-over-credit-card-20120224-1trn9.html#ixzz1nKPrN39r
true lilly wrote:Government accused of interfering in Thomson investigation
AAP, Yahoo!7
February 1, 2012, 5:43 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/12782817/government-accused-of-interfering-in-thomson-investigation/

But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...

News poll

Who do you want as Prime Minister?


Vote

Related Link:Rudd vs Gillard: It's on

taking up all our 'news' Space ...
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And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal



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Thomson union printer raided over credit card
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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:35 pm

Nits dilemma a head-scratcher


Susie O'Brien
VICTORIAN schools have been accused of discriminating against students
with head lice by sending them home when nits are detected.


A Labor insider lifts the lid on the Rudd Government.
What he claims explains the venom of the attacks against Kevin Rudd this week.

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And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal



Baron Cohen warns West over Oscars ban



7:17AM
NewsCore

COMIC'S alter ego,
Admiral General Shabazz Aladeen, threatens West
with "unimaginable consequences" unless sanction is lifted.


true lilly wrote:And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal

Thomson union printer raided over credit card
Kate McClymont
February 24, 2012 - 6:22PM


Businessman John Gilleland at his Palm Beach home this morning during a police raid. Photo: Ben Rushton

Police this morning raided the house of the man accused
of providing secret commissions to the Health Services Union's former
general secretary Craig Thomson and the union's head Michael Williamson.


Detectives from Strike Force Carnarvon executed a search
warrant at the Palm Beach house of printer John Gilleland, 65, and his
wife, Carron, shortly before 7am today.


Several hours later, police from the computer crime squad arrived to assist in the search of the Gillelands' house.


Labor MP and former HSU general secretary Craig Thomson, who was provided with a credit card by Mr Gilleland. Photo: Andrew Meares


A Herald investigation last year revealed that
Mr Williamson and Mr Thomson were provided with American Express cards
by Mr Gilleland, who runs a graphic design and printing business.


The credit cards were issued in the names of Mr Thomson
and Mr Williamson, but were attached to Mr Gilleland's account and the
bills incurred on those cards were allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland.


The Herald has previously reported that Mrs
Gilleland allegedly complained to senior union officials that Mr
Williamson had "run amok" with the credit card.



Mr Gilleland's wife Carron complained that Union boss
Michael Williamson (pictured) had 'run amok' with the credit card he
was issued by her husband
. Photo: Ben Rushton


He even paid his private school fees on it; this was not
part of the deal,
" Mrs Gilleland allegedly said.
Mrs Gilleland today
denied that this occurred or that the converstation ever took place.


Mr Gilleland's company, Communigraphix, which he runs
from his two-storey house in Barrenjoey Road, receives $680,000 a year
to produce 10 issues of the union's newsletter,
the Health Standard.


Either offering or receiving a benefit as an inducement
to act in a certain way in business dealings may constitute a criminal
offence, which can attract penalties of up to seven years' imprisonment.


Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and
Mr Thomson, who became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have
denied any wrongdoing.


This morning's police raid is not the printer's first brush with the law.

In 1984, he and his brother, Ian, were arrested by federal police
over their alleged role in using their printing company to produce
counterfeit German currency.


The quality of the notes was so good that they were given a seven out of 10 rating by the Reserve Bank.

While John Gilleland was acquitted by a jury in 1986, at a
subsequent trial, Ian was found guilty and sentenced to five years'
jail.


Mr Thomson is subject of two other investigations being
conducted by the Victorian Police and Fair Work Australia
into
allegations that he used his union-issued credit card to withdraw
$100,000 in cash advances and to pay for prostitutes. This is a separate
card to the one that was the subject of today's police raid.


Do you know more? kmcclymont@smh.com.au

This reporter is on Twitter: @Kate_McClymont

Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/thomson-union-printer-raided-over-credit-card-20120224-1trn9.html#ixzz1nKPrN39r
true lilly wrote:Government accused of interfering in Thomson investigation
AAP, Yahoo!7
February 1, 2012, 5:43 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/12782817/government-accused-of-interfering-in-thomson-investigation/

But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...

News poll

Who do you want as Prime Minister?


Vote

Related Link:Rudd vs Gillard: It's on

taking up all our 'news' Space ...
true lilly wrote:Icke...CONspiracy trolls...scrote...

And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal



Baron Cohen warns West over Oscars ban



7:17AM
NewsCore

COMIC'S alter ego,
Admiral General Shabazz Aladeen, threatens West
with "unimaginable consequences" unless sanction is lifted.



true lilly wrote:And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal



Thomson union printer raided over credit card

Kate McClymont

February 24, 2012 - 6:22PM
true lilly wrote:Has anyone stopped to ask Ms Gillard if she thinks Rudd
has basically been running a destabilising campaign against Labor and is
a flake, then why did she give him such an important role as Foreign
Minister ?

Surely this assignment reflects badly on Ms Gillard if she give out
these jobs on the basis of her own survival rather than the national
interest.

It seems to me neither Gillard nor Rudd are going to be able to form any
kind of stable government with these tensions and open hatreds, so
surely they own it to the people who pay their wages to call an election
and let them decide.

Scooter (Reply)Thu 23 Feb 12 (11:44pm)



After two days of this circus, and having now watched
interviews on 7.30 and Lateline, why is it that it is only now that the
interviewers are demanding answers?


If only they had approached their jobs with such determination over the
past 5 years, this country may have avoided the disaster that we have
all had to endure— a disaster that will have impacts long after this
bunch of incompetents are turfed out of government.

Ian of Burpengary (Reply)Thu 23 Feb 12 (11:54pm)


Yesterday Kevin Rudd’s administration was described as “chaotic and
dysfunctional” and hence he was deposed. So someone who was at the time
known to run a “chaotic and dysfunctional” administration is then given
the job as foreign minister
representing Australian interests abroad.

I fail to see how that was in the “National Interest”.

Party interest maybe, but certainly not National interest.


While Nero Fiddled of Australia (Reply)Fri 24 Feb 12 (01:01am)

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/tips_for_friday_february_24/#commentsmore


Well one thing we can't deny, is that under Gillard...


Click for more photos
Julia Gillard's first day as PM
Prime Minister Julia Gillard emerges from the leadership ballot
with Wayne Swan after defeating Kevin Rudd. Photo: Andrew Meares


Julia Gillard with Quentin Bryce at Government House
after being sworn in as Prime Minister. Photo: Brendan Esposito
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/after-the-tumult-enter-the-new-pm-20100624-z3hv.html#ixzz1nFvCWksE
June 25, 2010

...The GREENS have been shown to be The ENEMY...
...here you go, The Link 'they' DON'T want clicked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_MpLocFQus

The Greens leader Bob brown wants a Global Parliament
that's a global government not a conspiracy now its fact .
National Press Club ABC 29/June/2011 (for those outside Australia

"The Greens" are Australia's 3rd biggest party
militant about imposing their carbon agenda )



...oh, and 'Ciggy' has been shown to be a complete fool

...and 'they' still think it's 'clever' to render my posts illegible,
as it's the only 'counter' 'they' have to facts
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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:55 pm

true lilly wrote:Government accused of interfering in Thomson investigation
AAP, Yahoo!7
February 1, 2012, 5:43 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/12782817/government-accused-of-interfering-in-thomson-investigation/

But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...


News poll

Who do you want as Prime Minister?


Vote

Related Link:Rudd vs Gillard: It's on

taking up all our 'news' Space ...
Still we ask: who is the real Julia?
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (11:19 am)

Patrick Carlyon and Michael Harvey:

Given the ascension of Peter Slipper to Speaker,
the absence of any asylum seeker policy,
her clunky rhetoric and
her seeming inability to articulate principles,
what beliefs does she hold dear - besides clinging to power,
and a nostalgia for Gilligan’s Island?


Gillard will be glad to get on with real business like, er, this…
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (10:42 am)

Julia Gillard will be glad when Monday’s ballot is over and she can get
on with dealing with some of the real issues facing her government:

POLICE have discovered further unusual credit cards associated with
the Health Services Union’s president, Michael Williamson
,
as they continue to investigate allegations he and
the former general secretary Craig Thomson received secret commissions
via credit cards supplied to them by a major contractor to the union.

Meanwhile, in a separate development, early yesterday morning detectives
from Strike Force Carnarvon raided the Palm Beach house of John
Gilleland, 65, and his wife, Carron, 51.


Mr and Mrs Gilleland’s company, Communigraphix, which they run from
home, received $680,000 a year for producing 10 issues of the union’s
newsletter, the Health Standard, which they now print only six times a
year.

Mr Gilleland is alleged to have provided Mr Williamson and Mr Thomson,
now a federal MP, with American Express cards.
The credit cards were
issued in the names of Mr Thomson and Mr Williamson but were attached to
Mr Gilleland’s account and the bills incurred on those cards were
allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland....

Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and Mr Thomson, who
became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have denied any wrongdoing.


Police uncover more credit cards linked to union boss
Kate McClymont

February 25, 2012


Search ... police raided the Palm Beach home of John Gilleland. Photo: Ben Rushton


POLICE have discovered further unusual credit cards
associated with the Health Services Union's
president, Michael Williamson
, as they continue to
investigate allegations he and the
former general secretary Craig Thomson
received secret commissions via credit cards
supplied to them by a major contractor to the union.

Meanwhile, in a separate development, early yesterday
morning detectives from Strike Force Carnarvon raided the Palm Beach
house of John Gilleland, 65, and his wife, Carron, 51.

Mr and Mrs Gilleland's company, Communigraphix, which
they run from home, received $680,000 a year for producing 10 issues of
the union's newsletter
, the Health Standard, which they now print only six times a year.


Mr Gilleland is alleged to have provided Mr Williamson
and Mr Thomson, now a federal MP, with American Express cards. The
credit cards were issued in the names of Mr Thomson and Mr Williamson
but were attached to Mr Gilleland's account and the bills incurred on
those cards were allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland.


It is understood police are investigating allegations Mr
Gilleland falsely stated on his Amex application for the extra cards
that the two men were his brothers-in-law.


The Herald has previously reported Mrs Gilleland
allegedly complained to senior union officials that Mr Williamson had
''run amok'' with the credit card.
''He even paid his private school
fees on it; this was not part of the deal,'' Mrs Gilleland allegedly
said. Mrs Gilleland yesterday denied saying these things happened or
that she ever said it.


Offering or receiving a benefit as an inducement to act
in a certain way in business dealings may constitute a criminal offence
that can attract penalties of up to seven years imprisonment.


Police arrived at the two-storey Barrenjoey Road house
shortly before 7am, and stayed for more than eight hours. They left
carrying eight boxes of documents and two computers.


Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and
Mr Thomson, who became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have
denied any wrongdoing.


Yesterday's police raid was not Mr Gilleland's first brush with the law.
In 1984 he and his brother, Ian, were arrested by federal police
over their alleged role in using their printing company
to produce counterfeit German currency.
While John Gilleland was acquitted by a jury in 1986,
at a subsequent trial Ian was sentenced to five years' jail.


Mr Thomson is the subject of two other investigations
being conducted by the Victorian Police and Fair Work Australia into
allegations he used his union-issued credit card to withdraw $100,000
in cash advances and to pay for prostitutes. This is a separate card to
the one that was the subject of yesterday's police raid.


kmcclymont@smh.com.au
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/police-uncover-more-credit-cards-linked-to-union-boss-20120224-1ttov.html#ixzz1nLtlPcfG

Roxon verbals Rudd after being caught asleep

Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (10:09 am)

Professor Sinclair Davidson finds Attorney General Nicola Roxon rewriting history to smear Kevin Rudd:

This is what Nicola Roxon was saying about the Rudd era.

R
oxon says on Valentine’s Day 2010, the then prime minister
decided he wanted to take over the entire health system. He gave four
days’ notice and had no legal advice or even a cabinet submission.

“On another occasion he suggested to us actually having a referendum
about taking over the health system, having it at the same time as the
2010 election, knowing full well and agreeing that that referendum would
be lost but thought it would be a good tool to be able to win the
election,” Roxon told Sky News.

But hang on, says Davidson. Rudd had made this referendum a promise in
his 2007 campaign. How dopey was
Roxon, Rudd’s health minister, not to
have prepared for it three years later?


Read the full post.

UPDATE

We could do this all day:
WAYNE Swan on ABC radio’s AM on Thursday:

THERE’S no doubt he sought to tear down the 2010 campaign . . . I
don’t think many people doubt the fact that Mr Rudd, behind the scenes
in the 2010 campaign, was quite disloyal to the Labor cause, to the
Labor movement, to that movement which put him into parliament and
expects better from him.

Swan on ABC1’s The 7.30 Report, July 28, 2010:

KERRY O’Brien:
Few people know Kevin Rudd better than you in politics.
Is he, do you believe, an honourable person in this affair?


Swan:
I do believe he is an honourable person.
I do believe he is doing everything he possibly can
to see the return of the government,
including campaigning in his electorate.


Why did Labor ever choose Rudd to lead us?
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (09:48 am)

James Button was a Rudd Government speechwriter and is right to warm of
Kevin Rudd’s astonishingly dysfunctional style of management - or even
personal relations:

<blockquote>The truth is, Rudd was impossible to work with. He
regularly treated his staff, public servants and backbenchers with
rudeness and contempt. He was vindictive, intervening to deny people
appointments or preselections, often based on grudges that went back
years.

He made crushing demands on his staff, and when they laboured through
the night to meet those demands, they received no thanks, and often the
work was not used. People who dared stand up to him were put in “the
freezer” and not consulted or spoken to for months. The prodigious
loyalty of his staff to him was mostly not repaid. He put them down
behind their backs. He seemed to feel that everyone was always letting
him down. In meetings, as I saw, he could emanate a kind of icy rage
that was as mysterious as it was disturbing.

He governed by - seemed almost to thrive on - crisis. Important papers
went unsigned, staff and public servants would be pulled onto flights,
in at least one case halfway around the world, on the off chance that he
needed to consult them. Vital decisions were held up while he struggled
to make up his mind, frequently demanding more pieces of information
that merely delayed the final result. The fate of the government seemed
to hinge on the psychology of one man.

</blockquote>I can quite understand why Labor MPs - in their own interests as well as
those of the nation - are desperate to keep this man out of the Prime
Minister’s office.

The question is: why on earth did they let him in in the first place.

They are reaping the hurricane they have sown.

PS:

I am not now being wise after the event. What Labor insiders now write
about Rudd was there to be seen even before he became Prime Minister.
What so many in the Left now agree about Rudd was once - when written by
a conservative - what they denounced as the ravings of a Murdoch
attack dog: Here’s how I’ve written about Rudd from the start:

9 March 2007:
<blockquote>There’s something about him of the anxious nerd who feels the one big
thing he has over you is his exam mark. Of the obsessive who feels
endorsed by a score of 100, but devastated with 99.

In short, Rudd can seem too keen to be perfect. Too afraid to fail. Too unreal. And too brittle…

In private arguments with him, I’ve felt this brittleness. For instance,
I’ve never known him concede even the most trivial point (he’d say the
same of me, of course).

</blockquote>18 April 2007:
<blockquote> Rudd’s Sunlies stumbles are part of a pattern… Rudd tried exactly
this same bullying only last month with the Fairfax-owned Sun-Herald.

The paper had told Rudd’s staff it was about to report claims that cast
doubt on Rudd’s often-told story that his family had been brutally
evicted from their rented farmhouse, almost overnight, when his
sharefarmer father died in a car smash…

According to a Sun-Herald reporter Rudd’s office went nuclear. She said
an adviser rang her ``ranting like a lunatic’’ and warning that if she
published ``we’ll have 100 people ready to roll tomorrow morning to
trash you and your paper’’. Rudd himself then rang the paper’s editor
five times…

Rudd has shown he in fact may still lack that strength. He is so
desperate to seem perfect, he seems to panic at his imperfections.

He has now little time to remake himself before the public starts to
notice, too, and to wonder if this highly intelligent, ferociously
hard-working man does have the glass jaw that will make him
unpredictable in high office.

22 August 2007:
And how we should again wonder if Rudd is all spin and no traction…

But at some stage it won’t all fit—like that drunk Christian with the
strippers. Like the Mr ``Levelling Completely’’ who can’t be sure he saw
the lap-dancers who made him say sorry to his wife. Who agreed to play
along with Channel Seven’s fake dawn service. Who embroidered a tragedy
of his boyhood.

You will then wonder: just who is this man, so very eager now to please,
and what will he really be like if we make him Prime Minister? Will he
still remember us in the morning?

</blockquote>14 November 2007:
<blockquote>KEVIN Rudd as prime minister will be a control freak, and not just
because that’s the way he obsessively ticks. He’ll be a control freak
because he has little choice: he’s a friendless leader promising what
some in his Labor team don’t want to deliver…

Or put it this way: the story of the Rudd government is likely to be of a
jittery Labor leader with more formal power than any before him, trying
to control people with a clearer sense of direction than he has
himself.

</blockquote>4 June 2008:

Yet the private Kevin Rudd is rather different—actually deeply uncertain

<blockquote> and short of big ideas… Being so manic, and so unsure of himself, he’s
of course also famously impatient and short-tempered…

Let him bust his gut, if it’s in the service of good government. But
it’s another thing to insist everyone around him works so frantically,
too, and to so little real purpose…

... a part of this, I’m sure, is Rudd asserting his power, as much to
himself as to others. And that cannot make for efficient government. The
same is true of Rudd’s other habit of compensation—exulting in his
authority.. He is still paranoid about control, micro-managing details
best left to a deputy flunky.


</blockquote>15 August 2008:
<blockquote>YOU love the man, it seems. Newspoll this week confirmed it, giving
Kevin Rudd a solid approval rating of 58 per cent… So I look at this
typical week in Rudd’s utterly vacuous rule as Prime Minister and am
stunned.


I mean, how in God’s name does this pretender—this Great Watcher—get away with it? What am I missing?..

So, desperate to seem fair, I look for something, anything, of substance Rudd has done, and not simply discussed. Or watched.

But what do I see? Not just FuelWatch, WhaleWatch, StarWatch,
WorldWatch, AsiaWatch, NukeWatch and StateWatch, but even more of the
just-watching sorry sort.

</blockquote>9 June 2010:

I repeat, this near-perfect record of bungling cannot be a coincidence.
<blockquote>And, indeed, the common thread to it is Rudd’s fear - his fear of
delegating, his fear of taking advice from smarter people, his fear of
conceding flaws, his fear of letting his ministers have free rein, his
fear of acknowledging any agendas other than his own, his fear of hiring
advisers of adult age, his fear of not seeming across every irrelevant
detail, his fear of not seeming great.

It’s Rudd’s deep insecurity that has killed his leadership, and which
explains his often childish need to assert himself, whether by putting
his boots on your coffee table, explaining he’s “your Prime Minister” or
hogging the microphone at his endless “community Cabinet meetings”, at
which busy ministers serve as props to his vanity.

This insecurity explains, too, his outbursts of anger.. Anger is just
what you get when such an insecure man is threatened, thwarted or
belittled.

</blockquote>Labor must have known, yet still made him leader. Journalists must have
known, yet most closed their eyes. The Left should have known, yet
screamed abused at those who saw.

UPDATE

Chris Kenny:
From the dying days of the Rudd government to the months leading up to
the current conflagration, much of the Canberra press gallery either did
not understand what was going on, or did not deign to tell us…

<blockquote>Now Gillard, Rudd, Swan, Nicola Roxon, Simon Crean
and many others are telling us
exactly what has transpired since 2010 -
and we discover that
these diligent journalists (from News Ltd)
were exposing the truth.

Yet none other than
the nation’s Communications Minister
had dubbed them and their colleagues the “hate media”
and accused them of campaigning for “regime change”.

He even established a media inquiry
to consider more legislative control.


Just three weeks ago on the ABC, Swan said: “The great bulk of the
coverage that I read is just completely divorced from reality ... but
that’s the media environment we live in at the moment.”

Since then, many in the media have been vindicated and Swan has
completely changed his version of reality. Some media were pinpointing
the truth, and the politicians were hiding it.

</blockquote>UPDATE
Peter van Onselen:
<blockquote>EACH and every cabinet minister from Labor’s first term who now
(finally) condemns Kevin Rudd for having been an inept prime minister
should be ashamed of themselves. It is nothing short of pathetic. What
were they doing about it at the time? Where was their courage then -
collectively or as individuals? Why did they allow him to stay on in cabinet after the last election if he was so utterly repugnant?...

At the PM’s press conference on Thursday, Gillard wore it as a badge of
honour that in the 3 1/2 years that she served as Rudd’s deputy (in both
government and opposition) she never once undermined him to a
journalist.

So Gillard was loyal to Rudd for 3 1/2 years - despite knowing that he
was hopeless as a leader and a prime minister. After removing him she
decided to make the dysfunctional ex-leader Australia’s foreign
minister. What about loyalty to the public and the Labor movement by
doing something about Rudd’s ways rather than silently serving someone
you have such strong reservations about?

</blockquote> The Heiner Affair – 20 odd years of
Labor and Government cover-up
Piers Akerman has just written an article
reviewing the 22 year old Heiner Affair
which originated when documents
relating to child abuse
were shredded by
the Goss Queensland Labor Govt in 1990.


The documents related to an
inquiry into the former
John Oxley Youth Detention Centre headed by
former magistrate Noel Heiner in 1989.

One of the victims who was pack raped
while in Qld Govt care was recently paid $120,000
and is said to be travelling to Canberra
to make her case known.

As Piers Akerman explains – a 2,800 page audit document pulling together
the whole saga and composed by Sydney QC David Rofe was emailed to all
Senators on Australia day last month. Some leading figures in powerful
positions now are involved.

The Parliamentary Standing Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs in 2004 posted documents on the subject – look for Volume 2. That committee no longer exists.
Anybody concerned could write to their Senators and ask what they intend doing.


Senators receive Heiner allegations
Monday, February 06, 2012 at 06:15am
Piers Akerman

Meticulously prepared allegations of
the most serious misconduct by some of
the nation’s most senior public officers,
including
the Governor General Quentin Bryce,
the Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd,
and a raft of Queensland jurists
have been received
by every member of the Senate.


The allegations were contained in the Rofe Audit of the long-running
Heiner Affair
and e-mailed to every Senator on Australia Day.

The affair began with the rape of a 14-year-old Aboriginal girl
who was in the custody of the Queensland government.

Though guilt was admitted, no charges were ever laid and evidence
prepared for an inquiry into the juvenile justice system by former
magistrate Noel Heiner was subsequently ordered to be destroyed by
Queensland’s Goss government Cabinet.

For the past 22 years, the victim (who was paid about $120,000 in hush
money by the Queensland government last year) has sought to have her day
in court.


She is expected to travel to Canberra to make her case personally after Parliament resumes tomorrow.

Last year the Senate Privileges Committee voted to bury the matter but members and staff had read the submissions.

The Clerk of the Senate, Dr Rosemary Laing, in Advice 47, wrote last
June that “there is no doubt the matter raised is very serious”.

Though the Clerk’s advice was made public, the submission on which her advice based was kept confidential - until now.

An attempt to have the matter debated in the Senate was stopped by the
Labor Party and the Greens, with former Family First Senator Steven
Fielding voting to stop the matter being raised.

The allegations raised about the Governor General Quentin Bryce’s
conduct are far more serious and pertinent than those which led to
former Governor General Peter Hollingworth’s resignation in 2003.


The Rev Dr Hollingworth was driven out of office after a vindictive
campaign by senior members of the Labor Party who claimed he was not a
fit and proper person to hold the post of Governor General.

In the extensive 2,800-page document, titled the Heiner Affair Papers,
it is alleged (among other things) that
Ms Bryce did not apply the law equally in the matter of
destruction of evidence when she was governor of Queensland in 2005.
The extensive secret submission was written by senior Sydney QC David Rofe.

A number of senators have confirmed receiving the massive document.

The general distribution of the material places the Senate and the
government in a very difficult position. It is impossible for MPs to
“unknow” what they have read.

Senior parliamentary officers say it is open for Ms Bryce to request a
copy of the papers, indeed, arguably, she is duty bound to do so
urgently given the serious nature of the charges and the fact that every
senator is now in receipt of allegations which question her integrity
and fitness to hold office.


It would also appear that the Senate will have to “send” a message to
the House of Representatives about the material as it also contains
adverse allegations about a member of the Lower House, Rudd.

Parliamentary sources say that they are reviewing the Hollingworth
resignation and the handling of allegations made against the former
(now deceased) High Court Justice Lionel Murphy to prepare advice for
the Gillard Labor-minority government.

This move dramatically increases the pressure on the government and the
Opposition. Members of the public know more about the Heiner Affair than
MPs wish,
now there is no reason for Senators to plead ignorance.

The allegations are extremely serious and must be tested
or the taint will cripple the machinery of government.


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But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...


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Still we ask: who is the real Julia?
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (11:19 am)

Patrick Carlyon and Michael Harvey:

Given the ascension of Peter Slipper to Speaker,
the absence of any asylum seeker policy,
her clunky rhetoric and
her seeming inability to articulate principles,
what beliefs does she hold dear - besides clinging to power,
and a nostalgia for Gilligan’s Island?


Gillard will be glad to get on with real business like, er, this…
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (10:42 am)

Julia Gillard will be glad when Monday’s ballot is over and she can get
on with dealing with some of the real issues facing her government:

POLICE have discovered further unusual credit cards associated with
the Health Services Union’s president, Michael Williamson
,
as they continue to investigate allegations he and
the former general secretary Craig Thomson received secret commissions
via credit cards supplied to them by a major contractor to the union.

Meanwhile, in a separate development, early yesterday morning detectives
from Strike Force Carnarvon raided the Palm Beach house of John
Gilleland, 65, and his wife, Carron, 51.


Mr and Mrs Gilleland’s company, Communigraphix, which they run from
home, received $680,000 a year for producing 10 issues of the union’s
newsletter, the Health Standard, which they now print only six times a
year.

Mr Gilleland is alleged to have provided Mr Williamson and Mr Thomson,
now a federal MP, with American Express cards.
The credit cards were
issued in the names of Mr Thomson and Mr Williamson but were attached to
Mr Gilleland’s account and the bills incurred on those cards were
allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland....

Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and Mr Thomson, who
became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have denied any wrongdoing.


Police uncover more credit cards linked to union boss
Kate McClymont

February 25, 2012


Search ... police raided the Palm Beach home of John Gilleland. Photo: Ben Rushton


POLICE have discovered further unusual credit cards
associated with the Health Services Union's
president, Michael Williamson
, as they continue to
investigate allegations he and the
former general secretary Craig Thomson
received secret commissions via credit cards
supplied to them by a major contractor to the union.

Meanwhile, in a separate development, early yesterday
morning detectives from Strike Force Carnarvon raided the Palm Beach
house of John Gilleland, 65, and his wife, Carron, 51.

Mr and Mrs Gilleland's company, Communigraphix, which
they run from home, received $680,000 a year for producing 10 issues of
the union's newsletter
, the Health Standard, which they now print only six times a year.


Mr Gilleland is alleged to have provided Mr Williamson
and Mr Thomson, now a federal MP, with American Express cards. The
credit cards were issued in the names of Mr Thomson and Mr Williamson
but were attached to Mr Gilleland's account and the bills incurred on
those cards were allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland.


It is understood police are investigating allegations Mr
Gilleland falsely stated on his Amex application for the extra cards
that the two men were his brothers-in-law.


The Herald has previously reported Mrs Gilleland
allegedly complained to senior union officials that Mr Williamson had
''run amok'' with the credit card.
''He even paid his private school
fees on it; this was not part of the deal,'' Mrs Gilleland allegedly
said. Mrs Gilleland yesterday denied saying these things happened or
that she ever said it.


Offering or receiving a benefit as an inducement to act
in a certain way in business dealings may constitute a criminal offence
that can attract penalties of up to seven years imprisonment.


Police arrived at the two-storey Barrenjoey Road house
shortly before 7am, and stayed for more than eight hours. They left
carrying eight boxes of documents and two computers.


Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and
Mr Thomson, who became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have
denied any wrongdoing.


Yesterday's police raid was not Mr Gilleland's first brush with the law.
In 1984 he and his brother, Ian, were arrested by federal police
over their alleged role in using their printing company
to produce counterfeit German currency.
While John Gilleland was acquitted by a jury in 1986,
at a subsequent trial Ian was sentenced to five years' jail.


Mr Thomson is the subject of two other investigations
being conducted by the Victorian Police and Fair Work Australia into
allegations he used his union-issued credit card to withdraw $100,000
in cash advances and to pay for prostitutes. This is a separate card to
the one that was the subject of yesterday's police raid.


kmcclymont@smh.com.au
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/police-uncover-more-credit-cards-linked-to-union-boss-20120224-1ttov.html#ixzz1nLtlPcfG

Roxon verbals Rudd after being caught asleep

Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (10:09 am)

Professor Sinclair Davidson finds Attorney General Nicola Roxon rewriting history to smear Kevin Rudd:

This is what Nicola Roxon was saying about the Rudd era.

R
oxon says on Valentine’s Day 2010, the then prime minister
decided he wanted to take over the entire health system. He gave four
days’ notice and had no legal advice or even a cabinet submission.

“On another occasion he suggested to us actually having a referendum
about taking over the health system, having it at the same time as the
2010 election, knowing full well and agreeing that that referendum would
be lost but thought it would be a good tool to be able to win the
election,” Roxon told Sky News.

But hang on, says Davidson. Rudd had made this referendum a promise in
his 2007 campaign. How dopey was
Roxon, Rudd’s health minister, not to
have prepared for it three years later?


Read the full post.

UPDATE

We could do this all day:
WAYNE Swan on ABC radio’s AM on Thursday:

THERE’S no doubt he sought to tear down the 2010 campaign . . . I
don’t think many people doubt the fact that Mr Rudd, behind the scenes
in the 2010 campaign, was quite disloyal to the Labor cause, to the
Labor movement, to that movement which put him into parliament and
expects better from him.

Swan on ABC1’s The 7.30 Report, July 28, 2010:

KERRY O’Brien:
Few people know Kevin Rudd better than you in politics.
Is he, do you believe, an honourable person in this affair?


Swan:
I do believe he is an honourable person.
I do believe he is doing everything he possibly can
to see the return of the government,
including campaigning in his electorate.


Why did Labor ever choose Rudd to lead us?
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (09:48 am)

James Button was a Rudd Government speechwriter and is right to warm of
Kevin Rudd’s astonishingly dysfunctional style of management - or even
personal relations:

<blockquote>The truth is, Rudd was impossible to work with. He
regularly treated his staff, public servants and backbenchers with
rudeness and contempt. He was vindictive, intervening to deny people
appointments or preselections, often based on grudges that went back
years.

He made crushing demands on his staff, and when they laboured through
the night to meet those demands, they received no thanks, and often the
work was not used. People who dared stand up to him were put in “the
freezer” and not consulted or spoken to for months. The prodigious
loyalty of his staff to him was mostly not repaid. He put them down
behind their backs. He seemed to feel that everyone was always letting
him down. In meetings, as I saw, he could emanate a kind of icy rage
that was as mysterious as it was disturbing.

He governed by - seemed almost to thrive on - crisis. Important papers
went unsigned, staff and public servants would be pulled onto flights,
in at least one case halfway around the world, on the off chance that he
needed to consult them. Vital decisions were held up while he struggled
to make up his mind, frequently demanding more pieces of information
that merely delayed the final result. The fate of the government seemed
to hinge on the psychology of one man.

</blockquote>I can quite understand why Labor MPs - in their own interests as well as
those of the nation - are desperate to keep this man out of the Prime
Minister’s office.

The question is: why on earth did they let him in in the first place.

They are reaping the hurricane they have sown.

PS:

I am not now being wise after the event. What Labor insiders now write
about Rudd was there to be seen even before he became Prime Minister.
What so many in the Left now agree about Rudd was once - when written by
a conservative - what they denounced as the ravings of a Murdoch
attack dog: Here’s how I’ve written about Rudd from the start:

9 March 2007:
<blockquote>There’s something about him of the anxious nerd who feels the one big
thing he has over you is his exam mark. Of the obsessive who feels
endorsed by a score of 100, but devastated with 99.

In short, Rudd can seem too keen to be perfect. Too afraid to fail. Too unreal. And too brittle…

In private arguments with him, I’ve felt this brittleness. For instance,
I’ve never known him concede even the most trivial point (he’d say the
same of me, of course).

</blockquote>18 April 2007:
<blockquote> Rudd’s Sunlies stumbles are part of a pattern… Rudd tried exactly
this same bullying only last month with the Fairfax-owned Sun-Herald.

The paper had told Rudd’s staff it was about to report claims that cast
doubt on Rudd’s often-told story that his family had been brutally
evicted from their rented farmhouse, almost overnight, when his
sharefarmer father died in a car smash…

According to a Sun-Herald reporter Rudd’s office went nuclear. She said
an adviser rang her ``ranting like a lunatic’’ and warning that if she
published ``we’ll have 100 people ready to roll tomorrow morning to
trash you and your paper’’. Rudd himself then rang the paper’s editor
five times…

Rudd has shown he in fact may still lack that strength. He is so
desperate to seem perfect, he seems to panic at his imperfections.

He has now little time to remake himself before the public starts to
notice, too, and to wonder if this highly intelligent, ferociously
hard-working man does have the glass jaw that will make him
unpredictable in high office.

22 August 2007:
And how we should again wonder if Rudd is all spin and no traction…

But at some stage it won’t all fit—like that drunk Christian with the
strippers. Like the Mr ``Levelling Completely’’ who can’t be sure he saw
the lap-dancers who made him say sorry to his wife. Who agreed to play
along with Channel Seven’s fake dawn service. Who embroidered a tragedy
of his boyhood.

You will then wonder: just who is this man, so very eager now to please,
and what will he really be like if we make him Prime Minister? Will he
still remember us in the morning?

</blockquote>14 November 2007:
<blockquote>KEVIN Rudd as prime minister will be a control freak, and not just
because that’s the way he obsessively ticks. He’ll be a control freak
because he has little choice: he’s a friendless leader promising what
some in his Labor team don’t want to deliver…

Or put it this way: the story of the Rudd government is likely to be of a
jittery Labor leader with more formal power than any before him, trying
to control people with a clearer sense of direction than he has
himself.

</blockquote>4 June 2008:

Yet the private Kevin Rudd is rather different—actually deeply uncertain

<blockquote> and short of big ideas… Being so manic, and so unsure of himself, he’s
of course also famously impatient and short-tempered…

Let him bust his gut, if it’s in the service of good government. But
it’s another thing to insist everyone around him works so frantically,
too, and to so little real purpose…

... a part of this, I’m sure, is Rudd asserting his power, as much to
himself as to others. And that cannot make for efficient government. The
same is true of Rudd’s other habit of compensation—exulting in his
authority.. He is still paranoid about control, micro-managing details
best left to a deputy flunky.


</blockquote>15 August 2008:
<blockquote>YOU love the man, it seems. Newspoll this week confirmed it, giving
Kevin Rudd a solid approval rating of 58 per cent… So I look at this
typical week in Rudd’s utterly vacuous rule as Prime Minister and am
stunned.


I mean, how in God’s name does this pretender—this Great Watcher—get away with it? What am I missing?..

So, desperate to seem fair, I look for something, anything, of substance Rudd has done, and not simply discussed. Or watched.

But what do I see? Not just FuelWatch, WhaleWatch, StarWatch,
WorldWatch, AsiaWatch, NukeWatch and StateWatch, but even more of the
just-watching sorry sort.

</blockquote>9 June 2010:

I repeat, this near-perfect record of bungling cannot be a coincidence.
<blockquote>And, indeed, the common thread to it is Rudd’s fear - his fear of
delegating, his fear of taking advice from smarter people, his fear of
conceding flaws, his fear of letting his ministers have free rein, his
fear of acknowledging any agendas other than his own, his fear of hiring
advisers of adult age, his fear of not seeming across every irrelevant
detail, his fear of not seeming great.

It’s Rudd’s deep insecurity that has killed his leadership, and which
explains his often childish need to assert himself, whether by putting
his boots on your coffee table, explaining he’s “your Prime Minister” or
hogging the microphone at his endless “community Cabinet meetings”, at
which busy ministers serve as props to his vanity.

This insecurity explains, too, his outbursts of anger.. Anger is just
what you get when such an insecure man is threatened, thwarted or
belittled.

</blockquote>Labor must have known, yet still made him leader. Journalists must have
known, yet most closed their eyes. The Left should have known, yet
screamed abused at those who saw.

UPDATE

Chris Kenny:
From the dying days of the Rudd government to the months leading up to
the current conflagration, much of the Canberra press gallery either did
not understand what was going on, or did not deign to tell us…

<blockquote>Now Gillard, Rudd, Swan, Nicola Roxon, Simon Crean
and many others are telling us
exactly what has transpired since 2010 -
and we discover that
these diligent journalists (from News Ltd)
were exposing the truth.

Yet none other than
the nation’s Communications Minister
had dubbed them and their colleagues the “hate media”
and accused them of campaigning for “regime change”.

He even established a media inquiry
to consider more legislative control.


Just three weeks ago on the ABC, Swan said: “The great bulk of the
coverage that I read is just completely divorced from reality ... but
that’s the media environment we live in at the moment.”

Since then, many in the media have been vindicated and Swan has
completely changed his version of reality. Some media were pinpointing
the truth, and the politicians were hiding it.

</blockquote>UPDATE
Peter van Onselen:
<blockquote>EACH and every cabinet minister from Labor’s first term who now
(finally) condemns Kevin Rudd for having been an inept prime minister
should be ashamed of themselves. It is nothing short of pathetic. What
were they doing about it at the time? Where was their courage then -
collectively or as individuals? Why did they allow him to stay on in cabinet after the last election if he was so utterly repugnant?...

At the PM’s press conference on Thursday, Gillard wore it as a badge of
honour that in the 3 1/2 years that she served as Rudd’s deputy (in both
government and opposition) she never once undermined him to a
journalist.

So Gillard was loyal to Rudd for 3 1/2 years - despite knowing that he
was hopeless as a leader and a prime minister. After removing him she
decided to make the dysfunctional ex-leader Australia’s foreign
minister. What about loyalty to the public and the Labor movement by
doing something about Rudd’s ways rather than silently serving someone
you have such strong reservations about?

</blockquote> The Heiner Affair – 20 odd years of
Labor and Government cover-up
Piers Akerman has just written an article
reviewing the 22 year old Heiner Affair
which originated when documents
relating to child abuse
were shredded by
the Goss Queensland Labor Govt in 1990.


The documents related to an
inquiry into the former
John Oxley Youth Detention Centre headed by
former magistrate Noel Heiner in 1989.

One of the victims who was pack raped
while in Qld Govt care was recently paid $120,000
and is said to be travelling to Canberra
to make her case known.

As Piers Akerman explains – a 2,800 page audit document pulling together
the whole saga and composed by Sydney QC David Rofe was emailed to all
Senators on Australia day last month. Some leading figures in powerful
positions now are involved.

The Parliamentary Standing Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs in 2004 posted documents on the subject – look for Volume 2. That committee no longer exists.
Anybody concerned could write to their Senators and ask what they intend doing.


Senators receive Heiner allegations
Monday, February 06, 2012 at 06:15am
Piers Akerman


270 Comments

Meticulously prepared allegations of
the most serious misconduct by some of
the nation’s most senior public officers,
including
the Governor General Quentin Bryce,
the Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd,
and a raft of Queensland jurists
have been received
by every member of the Senate.


The allegations were contained in the Rofe Audit of the long-running
Heiner Affair
and e-mailed to every Senator on Australia Day.

The affair began with the rape of a 14-year-old Aboriginal girl
who was in the custody of the Queensland government.

Though guilt was admitted, no charges were ever laid and evidence
prepared for an inquiry into the juvenile justice system by former
magistrate Noel Heiner was subsequently ordered to be destroyed by
Queensland’s Goss government Cabinet.

For the past 22 years, the victim (who was paid about $120,000 in hush
money by the Queensland government last year) has sought to have her day
in court.


She is expected to travel to Canberra to make her case personally after Parliament resumes tomorrow.

Last year the Senate Privileges Committee voted to bury the matter but members and staff had read the submissions.

The Clerk of the Senate, Dr Rosemary Laing, in Advice 47, wrote last
June that “there is no doubt the matter raised is very serious”.

Though the Clerk’s advice was made public, the submission on which her advice based was kept confidential - until now.

An attempt to have the matter debated in the Senate was stopped by the
Labor Party and the Greens, with former Family First Senator Steven
Fielding voting to stop the matter being raised.

The allegations raised about the Governor General Quentin Bryce’s
conduct are far more serious and pertinent than those which led to
former Governor General Peter Hollingworth’s resignation in 2003.


The Rev Dr Hollingworth was driven out of office after a vindictive
campaign by senior members of the Labor Party who claimed he was not a
fit and proper person to hold the post of Governor General.

In the extensive 2,800-page document, titled the Heiner Affair Papers,
it is alleged (among other things) that
Ms Bryce did not apply the law equally in the matter of
destruction of evidence when she was governor of Queensland in 2005.
The extensive secret submission was written by senior Sydney QC David Rofe.

A number of senators have confirmed receiving the massive document.

The general distribution of the material places the Senate and the
government in a very difficult position. It is impossible for MPs to
“unknow” what they have read.

Senior parliamentary officers say it is open for Ms Bryce to request a
copy of the papers, indeed, arguably, she is duty bound to do so
urgently given the serious nature of the charges and the fact that every
senator is now in receipt of allegations which question her integrity
and fitness to hold office.


It would also appear that the Senate will have to “send” a message to
the House of Representatives about the material as it also contains
adverse allegations about a member of the Lower House, Rudd.

Parliamentary sources say that they are reviewing the Hollingworth
resignation and the handling of allegations made against the former
(now deceased) High Court Justice Lionel Murphy to prepare advice for
the Gillard Labor-minority government.

This move dramatically increases the pressure on the government and the
Opposition. Members of the public know more about the Heiner Affair than
MPs wish,
now there is no reason for Senators to plead ignorance.

The allegations are extremely serious and must be tested
or the taint will cripple the machinery of government.

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Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:57 pm

Suzy,could'nt you just for once engage in conversation,talk about yourself,no pictures,excerpts,just talk.Please don't spam back,a simple yes,no or shove it up my arse will do...
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Post  Ciggy on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:03 pm

They buggered her until her mind oozed out her ears. Probably can't even walk now. This is her only form of interaction with the world outside of dog-bothering.

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Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:12 pm

Ciggy wrote:They buggered her until her mind oozed out her ears. Probably can't even walk now. This is her only form of interaction with the world outside of dog-bothering.



She has more contact with humans and people behind her than I do.
Yeah,I think yes,she was screwed over,but too well covered up,when people should talk about it and embarress the hell out of the perpetrators,so they have coronories and die.

To those who openly discuss the issue,have my support.Those,who use it as an excuse to make others feel their pain indirectly,have my war.

It's best to get it out in the open,to prevent mental trauma and breakdown.Many humans store it up and unleash venom on the unwitting.Bunny for example.She's lucky,I have respect for you and the forum,but if you're foolish enough to allow what happened in 2009,again,when moshing and constant trolling led to a mass walk-out,I suggest,that you monitor the animosities a little closer in future.Hope you lead it into more creative avenues for the future.
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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:30 pm

"Why has the rest of the MSM
left all the hard yards
on this disgraceful affair..."


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val majkus Says:
February 8th, 2012 at 11:03 am


Warwick thank you for posting on this sad matter
In my view members of the executive are not above the law
The most informative site on this affair is the Heiner website www.heineraffair.info/
Start with the categories on the left hand side – the first category is ‘what is heiner about’
Chris Barrett writing in the Brisbane Times in April 2009 puts the history succinctly


<blockquote>The Heiner affair is the long-running controversy
surrounding the Goss cabinet’s 1990 shredding of documents relating to
child abuse – including the rape of a 14-year-old Aboriginal girl –
after it aborted an inquiry into the former John Oxley Youth Detention
Centre.


The documents had been compiled during an inquiry headed by former
magistrate Noel Heiner that was set up in the final days of the
Queensland Cooper conservative government in 1989.


The complaint to the Parliamentary Crime and Misconduct Committee
(PCMC) was lodged by former union official Kevin Lindeberg
in February
2008
and concerned the handling of the Heiner affair by the main
corruption watchdog, the Crime and Misconduct Commission (CMC) and its
predecessor body, the Criminal Justice Commission (CJC).


Attached to the application for review was a nine-volume audit
produced by Sydney QC David Rofe that contains details of 68 alleged
prima facie charges that he believes could be brought against public
officials past and present.


They include Prime Minister Kevin Rudd – Mr Goss’s former
chief-of-staff – the Governor-General Quentin Bryce, who took no action
after requesting and receiving a report on the affair from then Premier
Peter Beattie in 2003, and six serving Queensland judicial officers.


The review application to the PCMC also included a statement of
concern sent to Mr Beattie in 2007 from legal heavyweights, including
the former Chief Justice of Western Australia David Malcolm.


The former Chief Justice of Australia, the late Sir Harry Gibbs, had
previously aired his concerns at the destruction of documents.


Most recently, Premier Anna Bligh received a letter from Buckingham
Palace
, dated November 26, 2008, noting the Queen’s request for
“consideration” to be given to matters raised in letters to Her Majesty
by Mr Lindeberg.

</blockquote>
Warwick in his post refers to the 2,800 page document e mailed to
Senators last weekend; I suspect this is the nine volume audit by Rofe
QC referred to in the article above; I’ve written to Senator Boyce this
week asking her for a copy of this document but no reply as yet


What’s at stake? As the article What’s the Heiner Affair About puts it:

<blockquote>the right to a fair trial without wilful interference by
the State in the administration of justice in the form of destroying
known relevant evidence held in its possession and control and known to
be accessible pursuant to the rules of the Supreme Court of Queensland
in discovery upon the commencement of judicial proceedings;
• equality before the law;
• the upholding of Parliamentary propriety and the doctrine of the separation of powers;
• the State not engaging in covering up crime, going to the offence of
criminal paedophilia against a child held in the care and custody of the
State;
• the lawful disbursement of public monies not to be used as “hush
money” to cover up criminal conduct perpetrated by the State and/or its
officials

</blockquote>
The next category is Timeline of Events; the documents generated by
the Heiner Inquiry and possibly documents from other quarters relevant
to allegations concerning the inquiry, the Youth Detention Centre and
others involved comprised over 100 hours of taped evidence and other
material. This is the evidence which was shredded – the Timeline states
that the Gosss cabinet ordered their destruction on 5 March 1990

<blockquote>THE GOSS CABINET, WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT THE HEINER
INQUIRY DOCUMENTS ARE REQUIRED BY MR COYNE (AND THE QTU AND QPOA) AND
WHILE IN POSSESSION OF MR COYNE’S SOLICITORS NOTICE OF IMPENDING COURT
PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE CROWN IN WHICH THE DOCUMENTS ARE CRITICALLY
RELEVANT EVIDENCE, ORDER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MATERIAL TO STOP ITS USE
IN LITIGATION. JUST PRIOR TO THE DECISION CABINET IS INFORMED THAT A
SOLICITOR IS SEEKING PRODUCTION OF THE MATERIAL
</blockquote>
At that time Kevin Rudd was
chief of staff to the Qld Premier Goss
On 23 March 1990
the documents were destroyed

That time line was prepared using the source documents on
www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/goss/

As to the time line on the inquiries
there was an initial inquiry by the
Queensland Parliamentary Crime and Misconduct Committee

and since then things have moved to the Federal arena.


Piers Ackerman writing on 27/9/2007
see www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/goss/piers01.htm
says Labor Senators twice blocked attempts
by Queensland National Party Senator Barnaby Joyce
to table the full 3000-page nine-volume Rofe report
in federal parliament last week


As Piers says in his latest article
<blockquote>Last year the Senate Privileges Committee voted to bury the matter </blockquote>and an attempt to have the matter debated in the Senate was stopped
by the Labor Party and the Greens, with former Family First Senator
Steven Fielding voting to stop the matter being raised (in this case he
acted against his Party’s Policy.)


As I said at the beginning of this long comment (sorry Warwick) it is
an important principle in our legal system that all citizens are equal
before the law even members of the executive (government) and judges and
that is what is at stake here.


Jenny Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 9:52 pm


This is the biggest scandal our nation has ever had to confront.

The issue now facing every Senator – all 76 of them – is, given that
they cannot unknow what they know, how can they keep this information
from the Australian people, especially because one of the allegations of
serious wrongdoing concerns GG Bryce when she was Governor of
Queensland in the period 2003-2005.


If the Senators conceal what they know about her, then they will be
turning our constitutional monarchy system of government on its head.


Jazza Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:03 am


Why has the rest of the MSM left all the hard yards on this disgraceful affair
to Piers Akerman?


Why are all politicians silent
when they must have known about it
for a long time?


NOT good enough!

I can surmise only that both sides of politics have some involvement
they do not want to see aired–though Labor clearly has a lot of the
ignominy attached to what was a cover up of massive proportions.
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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:57 pm

true lilly wrote:"Why has the rest of the MSM
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val majkus Says:
February 8th, 2012 at 11:03 am


Warwick thank you for posting on this sad matter
In my view members of the executive are not above the law
The most informative site on this affair is the Heiner website www.heineraffair.info/
Start with the categories on the left hand side – the first category is ‘what is heiner about’
Chris Barrett writing in the Brisbane Times in April 2009 puts the history succinctly


<blockquote>The Heiner affair is the long-running controversy
surrounding the Goss cabinet’s 1990 shredding of documents relating to
child abuse – including the rape of a 14-year-old Aboriginal girl –
after it aborted an inquiry into the former John Oxley Youth Detention
Centre.


The documents had been compiled during an inquiry headed by former
magistrate Noel Heiner that was set up in the final days of the
Queensland Cooper conservative government in 1989.


The complaint to the Parliamentary Crime and Misconduct Committee
(PCMC) was lodged by former union official Kevin Lindeberg
in February
2008
and concerned the handling of the Heiner affair by the main
corruption watchdog, the Crime and Misconduct Commission (CMC) and its
predecessor body, the Criminal Justice Commission (CJC).


Attached to the application for review was a nine-volume audit
produced by Sydney QC David Rofe that contains details of 68 alleged
prima facie charges that he believes could be brought against public
officials past and present.


They include Prime Minister Kevin Rudd – Mr Goss’s former
chief-of-staff – the Governor-General Quentin Bryce, who took no action
after requesting and receiving a report on the affair from then Premier
Peter Beattie in 2003, and six serving Queensland judicial officers.


The review application to the PCMC also included a statement of
concern sent to Mr Beattie in 2007 from legal heavyweights, including
the former Chief Justice of Western Australia David Malcolm.


The former Chief Justice of Australia, the late Sir Harry Gibbs, had
previously aired his concerns at the destruction of documents.


Most recently, Premier Anna Bligh received a letter from Buckingham
Palace
, dated November 26, 2008, noting the Queen’s request for
“consideration” to be given to matters raised in letters to Her Majesty
by Mr Lindeberg.

</blockquote>
Warwick in his post refers to the 2,800 page document e mailed to
Senators last weekend; I suspect this is the nine volume audit by Rofe
QC referred to in the article above; I’ve written to Senator Boyce this
week asking her for a copy of this document but no reply as yet


What’s at stake? As the article What’s the Heiner Affair About puts it:

<blockquote>the right to a fair trial without wilful interference by
the State in the administration of justice in the form of destroying
known relevant evidence held in its possession and control and known to
be accessible pursuant to the rules of the Supreme Court of Queensland
in discovery upon the commencement of judicial proceedings;
• equality before the law;
• the upholding of Parliamentary propriety and the doctrine of the separation of powers;
• the State not engaging in covering up crime, going to the offence of
criminal paedophilia against a child held in the care and custody of the
State;
• the lawful disbursement of public monies not to be used as “hush
money” to cover up criminal conduct perpetrated by the State and/or its
officials

</blockquote>
The next category is Timeline of Events; the documents generated by
the Heiner Inquiry and possibly documents from other quarters relevant
to allegations concerning the inquiry, the Youth Detention Centre and
others involved comprised over 100 hours of taped evidence and other
material. This is the evidence which was shredded – the Timeline states
that the Gosss cabinet ordered their destruction on 5 March 1990

<blockquote>THE GOSS CABINET, WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT THE HEINER
INQUIRY DOCUMENTS ARE REQUIRED BY MR COYNE (AND THE QTU AND QPOA) AND
WHILE IN POSSESSION OF MR COYNE’S SOLICITORS NOTICE OF IMPENDING COURT
PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE CROWN IN WHICH THE DOCUMENTS ARE CRITICALLY
RELEVANT EVIDENCE, ORDER THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MATERIAL TO STOP ITS USE
IN LITIGATION. JUST PRIOR TO THE DECISION CABINET IS INFORMED THAT A
SOLICITOR IS SEEKING PRODUCTION OF THE MATERIAL
</blockquote>
At that time Kevin Rudd was
chief of staff to the Qld Premier Goss
On 23 March 1990
the documents were destroyed

That time line was prepared using the source documents on
www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/goss/

As to the time line on the inquiries
there was an initial inquiry by the
Queensland Parliamentary Crime and Misconduct Committee

and since then things have moved to the Federal arena.


Piers Ackerman writing on 27/9/2007
see www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/goss/piers01.htm
says Labor Senators twice blocked attempts
by Queensland National Party Senator Barnaby Joyce
to table the full 3000-page nine-volume Rofe report
in federal parliament last week


As Piers says in his latest article
<blockquote>Last year the Senate Privileges Committee voted to bury the matter </blockquote>and an attempt to have the matter debated in the Senate was stopped
by the Labor Party and the Greens, with former Family First Senator
Steven Fielding voting to stop the matter being raised (in this case he
acted against his Party’s Policy.)


As I said at the beginning of this long comment (sorry Warwick) it is
an important principle in our legal system that all citizens are equal
before the law even members of the executive (government) and judges and
that is what is at stake here.


Jenny Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 9:52 pm


This is the biggest scandal our nation has ever had to confront.

The issue now facing every Senator – all 76 of them – is, given that
they cannot unknow what they know, how can they keep this information
from the Australian people, especially because one of the allegations of
serious wrongdoing concerns GG Bryce when she was Governor of
Queensland in the period 2003-2005.


If the Senators conceal what they know about her, then they will be
turning our constitutional monarchy system of government on its head.


Jazza Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:03 am


Why has the rest of the MSM left all the hard yards on this disgraceful affair
to Piers Akerman?


Why are all politicians silent
when they must have known about it
for a long time?


NOT good enough!

I can surmise only that both sides of politics have some involvement
they do not want to see aired–though Labor clearly has a lot of the
ignominy attached to what was a cover up of massive proportions.
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Thomson union printer raided over credit card
Kate McClymont
February 24, 2012 - 6:22PM


Businessman John Gilleland at his Palm Beach home this morning during a police raid. Photo: Ben Rushton

Police this morning raided the house of the man accused
of providing secret commissions to the Health Services Union's former
general secretary Craig Thomson and the union's head Michael Williamson.


Detectives from Strike Force Carnarvon executed a search
warrant at the Palm Beach house of printer John Gilleland, 65, and his
wife, Carron, shortly before 7am today.


Several hours later, police from the computer crime squad arrived to assist in the search of the Gillelands' house.


Labor MP and former HSU general secretary Craig Thomson, who was provided with a credit card by Mr Gilleland. Photo: Andrew Meares


A Herald investigation last year revealed that
Mr Williamson and Mr Thomson were provided with American Express cards
by Mr Gilleland, who runs a graphic design and printing business.


The credit cards were issued in the names of Mr Thomson
and Mr Williamson, but were attached to Mr Gilleland's account and the
bills incurred on those cards were allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland.


The Herald has previously reported that Mrs
Gilleland allegedly complained to senior union officials that Mr
Williamson had "run amok" with the credit card.



Mr Gilleland's wife Carron complained that Union boss
Michael Williamson (pictured) had 'run amok' with the credit card he
was issued by her husband
. Photo: Ben Rushton


He even paid his private school fees on it; this was not
part of the deal,
" Mrs Gilleland allegedly said.
Mrs Gilleland today
denied that this occurred or that the converstation ever took place.


Mr Gilleland's company, Communigraphix, which he runs
from his two-storey house in Barrenjoey Road, receives $680,000 a year
to produce 10 issues of the union's newsletter,
the Health Standard.


Either offering or receiving a benefit as an inducement
to act in a certain way in business dealings may constitute a criminal
offence, which can attract penalties of up to seven years' imprisonment.


Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and
Mr Thomson, who became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have
denied any wrongdoing.


This morning's police raid is not the printer's first brush with the law.

In 1984, he and his brother, Ian, were arrested by federal police
over their alleged role in using their printing company to produce
counterfeit German currency.


The quality of the notes was so good that they were given a seven out of 10 rating by the Reserve Bank.

While John Gilleland was acquitted by a jury in 1986, at a
subsequent trial, Ian was found guilty and sentenced to five years'
jail.


Mr Thomson is subject of two other investigations being
conducted by the Victorian Police and Fair Work Australia
into
allegations that he used his union-issued credit card to withdraw
$100,000 in cash advances and to pay for prostitutes. This is a separate
card to the one that was the subject of today's police raid.


Do you know more? kmcclymont@smh.com.au

This reporter is on Twitter: @Kate_McClymont

Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/thomson-union-printer-raided-over-credit-card-20120224-1trn9.html#ixzz1nKPrN39r
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AAP, Yahoo!7
February 1, 2012, 5:43 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/12782817/government-accused-of-interfering-in-thomson-investigation/

But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...

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true lilly wrote:What is Roxon’s word worth now?
Andrew Bolt – Friday, February 24, 12 (10:10 am)

What Attorney General Nicola Roxon says now about Kevin Rudd being a rotten leader with rotten ideas:

Ms Roxon said that as prime minister Kevin Rudd wanted to hold a
<blockquote>referendum on a federal takeover of the health system at the same time
as the 2010 election.

Mr Rudd had been advised the referendum wouldn’t succeed but
nevertheless “thought it would be a good tool to be able to win the
election”, Ms Roxon said…

I said, ‘Yeah, but we wouldn’t win the referendum. Look at the history of referendums..

“But many of those things, including the biggest proposals that Kevin
wanted to act on, he wanted with four days notice on one occasion that I
can recollect, to take over the entire health system, didn’t have any
materials for cabinet, didn’t have legal advice.”

Ms Roxon said that was a “ludicrous” way to run a government.



</blockquote>But if the referendum was such a stupid idea, bound to fail, why did Roxon say the opposite in 2010, and try so hard to sell it?

Health Minister Nicola Roxon in April 2010:


<blockquote>We do have legal advice and it is a long-standing protocol that that is
not released and what it makes clear is that if we want to put beyond
doubt the power that we have, a referendum would be required.... But
the second point, which is very important, is that we committed to doing
this if we couldn’t reach an agreement with the States and
Territories...But
giving the public a say on something which is a practical and
significant change to our federation is something that we stand by and
believe should be followed through
if we are unable to reach an agreement tomorrow…

But we’ve committed to doing it. We think that it is necessary to
clarify the power that the Commonwealth would have and to give a very
clear mandate for the future direction


Roxon in February, 2010:
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Federal Health Minister Nicola Roxon ... repeated a warning that a public referendum on the package would go ahead if it was not finalised today, although also said the meeting would continue overnight if an agreement looked close.

“If (reform) is not agreed today, the consequences are that we will be
going to a referendum, where the public will have a chance to say
whether they would like to see these reforms introduced,” she said.

</blockquote>Roxon in April 2010:
<blockquote>NICOLA ROXON, HEALTH MINISTER: If it’s
necessary for us to bring the Parliament back earlier in order to debate
a referendum bill then we’re certainly making plans to enable that… The
numbers speak for themselves. Referendums haven’t got a high success
rate in Australia but referendums on health matters actually do have quite a high success rate.


What is Roxon’s word worth now? When she sells a policy as great, does she really believe it?
</blockquote>
Is she just following orders?
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Thomson union printer raided over credit card
Kate McClymont
February 24, 2012 - 6:22PM


Businessman John Gilleland at his Palm Beach home this morning during a police raid. Photo: Ben Rushton

Police this morning raided the house of the man accused
of providing secret commissions to the Health Services Union's former
general secretary Craig Thomson and the union's head Michael Williamson.


Detectives from Strike Force Carnarvon executed a search
warrant at the Palm Beach house of printer John Gilleland, 65, and his
wife, Carron, shortly before 7am today.


Several hours later, police from the computer crime squad arrived to assist in the search of the Gillelands' house.


Labor MP and former HSU general secretary Craig Thomson, who was provided with a credit card by Mr Gilleland. Photo: Andrew Meares


A Herald investigation last year revealed that
Mr Williamson and Mr Thomson were provided with American Express cards
by Mr Gilleland, who runs a graphic design and printing business.


The credit cards were issued in the names of Mr Thomson
and Mr Williamson, but were attached to Mr Gilleland's account and the
bills incurred on those cards were allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland.


The Herald has previously reported that Mrs
Gilleland allegedly complained to senior union officials that Mr
Williamson had "run amok" with the credit card.



Mr Gilleland's wife Carron complained that Union boss
Michael Williamson (pictured) had 'run amok' with the credit card he
was issued by her husband
. Photo: Ben Rushton


He even paid his private school fees on it; this was not
part of the deal,
" Mrs Gilleland allegedly said.
Mrs Gilleland today
denied that this occurred or that the converstation ever took place.


Mr Gilleland's company, Communigraphix, which he runs
from his two-storey house in Barrenjoey Road, receives $680,000 a year
to produce 10 issues of the union's newsletter,
the Health Standard.


Either offering or receiving a benefit as an inducement
to act in a certain way in business dealings may constitute a criminal
offence, which can attract penalties of up to seven years' imprisonment.


Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and
Mr Thomson, who became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have
denied any wrongdoing.


This morning's police raid is not the printer's first brush with the law.

In 1984, he and his brother, Ian, were arrested by federal police
over their alleged role in using their printing company to produce
counterfeit German currency.


The quality of the notes was so good that they were given a seven out of 10 rating by the Reserve Bank.

While John Gilleland was acquitted by a jury in 1986, at a
subsequent trial, Ian was found guilty and sentenced to five years'
jail.


Mr Thomson is subject of two other investigations being
conducted by the Victorian Police and Fair Work Australia
into
allegations that he used his union-issued credit card to withdraw
$100,000 in cash advances and to pay for prostitutes. This is a separate
card to the one that was the subject of today's police raid.


Do you know more? kmcclymont@smh.com.au

This reporter is on Twitter: @Kate_McClymont

Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/thomson-union-printer-raided-over-credit-card-20120224-1trn9.html#ixzz1nKPrN39r
true lilly wrote:Government accused of interfering in Thomson investigation
AAP, Yahoo!7
February 1, 2012, 5:43 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/12782817/government-accused-of-interfering-in-thomson-investigation/

But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...

News poll

Who do you want as Prime Minister?


Vote

Related Link:Rudd vs Gillard: It's on

taking up all our 'news' Space ...
true lilly wrote:Icke...CONspiracy trolls...scrote...

And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal



Baron Cohen warns West over Oscars ban



7:17AM
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COMIC'S alter ego,
Admiral General Shabazz Aladeen, threatens West
with "unimaginable consequences" unless sanction is lifted.



true lilly wrote:And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal



Thomson union printer raided over credit card

Kate McClymont

February 24, 2012 - 6:22PM
true lilly wrote:Has anyone stopped to ask Ms Gillard if she thinks Rudd
has basically been running a destabilising campaign against Labor and is
a flake, then why did she give him such an important role as Foreign
Minister ?

Surely this assignment reflects badly on Ms Gillard if she give out
these jobs on the basis of her own survival rather than the national
interest.

It seems to me neither Gillard nor Rudd are going to be able to form any
kind of stable government with these tensions and open hatreds, so
surely they own it to the people who pay their wages to call an election
and let them decide.

Scooter (Reply)Thu 23 Feb 12 (11:44pm)



After two days of this circus, and having now watched
interviews on 7.30 and Lateline, why is it that it is only now that the
interviewers are demanding answers?


If only they had approached their jobs with such determination over the
past 5 years, this country may have avoided the disaster that we have
all had to endure— a disaster that will have impacts long after this
bunch of incompetents are turfed out of government.

Ian of Burpengary (Reply)Thu 23 Feb 12 (11:54pm)


Yesterday Kevin Rudd’s administration was described as “chaotic and
dysfunctional” and hence he was deposed. So someone who was at the time
known to run a “chaotic and dysfunctional” administration is then given
the job as foreign minister
representing Australian interests abroad.

I fail to see how that was in the “National Interest”.

Party interest maybe, but certainly not National interest.


While Nero Fiddled of Australia (Reply)Fri 24 Feb 12 (01:01am)

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/tips_for_friday_february_24/#commentsmore


Well one thing we can't deny, is that under Gillard...


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Julia Gillard's first day as PM
Prime Minister Julia Gillard emerges from the leadership ballot
with Wayne Swan after defeating Kevin Rudd. Photo: Andrew Meares


Julia Gillard with Quentin Bryce at Government House
after being sworn in as Prime Minister. Photo: Brendan Esposito
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/after-the-tumult-enter-the-new-pm-20100624-z3hv.html#ixzz1nFvCWksE
June 25, 2010

...The GREENS have been shown to be The ENEMY...
...here you go, The Link 'they' DON'T want clicked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_MpLocFQus

The Greens leader Bob brown wants a Global Parliament
that's a global government not a conspiracy now its fact .
National Press Club ABC 29/June/2011 (for those outside Australia

"The Greens" are Australia's 3rd biggest party
militant about imposing their carbon agenda )



...oh, and 'Ciggy' has been shown to be a complete fool

...and 'they' still think it's 'clever' to render my posts illegible,
as it's the only 'counter' 'they' have to facts
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WHY DO, "Ciggy/Billy Ruben...
The Whole Sodding Mob of
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BURY Posts
( e.g.
a picture of my scrote )
of THESE TOPICS
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WHAT OTHERS READ AND THINK IT
...

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true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:Government accused of interfering in Thomson investigation
AAP, Yahoo!7
February 1, 2012, 5:43 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/12782817/government-accused-of-interfering-in-thomson-investigation/

But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...


News poll

Who do you want as Prime Minister?


Vote

Related Link:Rudd vs Gillard: It's on

taking up all our 'news' Space ...
Still we ask: who is the real Julia?
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (11:19 am)

Patrick Carlyon and Michael Harvey:

Given the ascension of Peter Slipper to Speaker,
the absence of any asylum seeker policy,
her clunky rhetoric and
her seeming inability to articulate principles,
what beliefs does she hold dear - besides clinging to power,
and a nostalgia for Gilligan’s Island?


Gillard will be glad to get on with real business like, er, this…
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (10:42 am)

Julia Gillard will be glad when Monday’s ballot is over and she can get
on with dealing with some of the real issues facing her government:

POLICE have discovered further unusual credit cards associated with
the Health Services Union’s president, Michael Williamson
,
as they continue to investigate allegations he and
the former general secretary Craig Thomson received secret commissions
via credit cards supplied to them by a major contractor to the union.

Meanwhile, in a separate development, early yesterday morning detectives
from Strike Force Carnarvon raided the Palm Beach house of John
Gilleland, 65, and his wife, Carron, 51.


Mr and Mrs Gilleland’s company, Communigraphix, which they run from
home, received $680,000 a year for producing 10 issues of the union’s
newsletter, the Health Standard, which they now print only six times a
year.

Mr Gilleland is alleged to have provided Mr Williamson and Mr Thomson,
now a federal MP, with American Express cards.
The credit cards were
issued in the names of Mr Thomson and Mr Williamson but were attached to
Mr Gilleland’s account and the bills incurred on those cards were
allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland....

Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and Mr Thomson, who
became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have denied any wrongdoing.


Police uncover more credit cards linked to union boss
Kate McClymont

February 25, 2012


Search ... police raided the Palm Beach home of John Gilleland. Photo: Ben Rushton


POLICE have discovered further unusual credit cards
associated with the Health Services Union's
president, Michael Williamson
, as they continue to
investigate allegations he and the
former general secretary Craig Thomson
received secret commissions via credit cards
supplied to them by a major contractor to the union.

Meanwhile, in a separate development, early yesterday
morning detectives from Strike Force Carnarvon raided the Palm Beach
house of John Gilleland, 65, and his wife, Carron, 51.

Mr and Mrs Gilleland's company, Communigraphix, which
they run from home, received $680,000 a year for producing 10 issues of
the union's newsletter
, the Health Standard, which they now print only six times a year.


Mr Gilleland is alleged to have provided Mr Williamson
and Mr Thomson, now a federal MP, with American Express cards. The
credit cards were issued in the names of Mr Thomson and Mr Williamson
but were attached to Mr Gilleland's account and the bills incurred on
those cards were allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland.


It is understood police are investigating allegations Mr
Gilleland falsely stated on his Amex application for the extra cards
that the two men were his brothers-in-law.


The Herald has previously reported Mrs Gilleland
allegedly complained to senior union officials that Mr Williamson had
''run amok'' with the credit card.
''He even paid his private school
fees on it; this was not part of the deal,'' Mrs Gilleland allegedly
said. Mrs Gilleland yesterday denied saying these things happened or
that she ever said it.


Offering or receiving a benefit as an inducement to act
in a certain way in business dealings may constitute a criminal offence
that can attract penalties of up to seven years imprisonment.


Police arrived at the two-storey Barrenjoey Road house
shortly before 7am, and stayed for more than eight hours. They left
carrying eight boxes of documents and two computers.


Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and
Mr Thomson, who became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have
denied any wrongdoing.


Yesterday's police raid was not Mr Gilleland's first brush with the law.
In 1984 he and his brother, Ian, were arrested by federal police
over their alleged role in using their printing company
to produce counterfeit German currency.
While John Gilleland was acquitted by a jury in 1986,
at a subsequent trial Ian was sentenced to five years' jail.


Mr Thomson is the subject of two other investigations
being conducted by the Victorian Police and Fair Work Australia into
allegations he used his union-issued credit card to withdraw $100,000
in cash advances and to pay for prostitutes. This is a separate card to
the one that was the subject of yesterday's police raid.


kmcclymont@smh.com.au
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/police-uncover-more-credit-cards-linked-to-union-boss-20120224-1ttov.html#ixzz1nLtlPcfG

Roxon verbals Rudd after being caught asleep

Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (10:09 am)

Professor Sinclair Davidson finds Attorney General Nicola Roxon rewriting history to smear Kevin Rudd:

This is what Nicola Roxon was saying about the Rudd era.

R
oxon says on Valentine’s Day 2010, the then prime minister
decided he wanted to take over the entire health system. He gave four
days’ notice and had no legal advice or even a cabinet submission.

“On another occasion he suggested to us actually having a referendum
about taking over the health system, having it at the same time as the
2010 election, knowing full well and agreeing that that referendum would
be lost but thought it would be a good tool to be able to win the
election,” Roxon told Sky News.

But hang on, says Davidson. Rudd had made this referendum a promise in
his 2007 campaign. How dopey was
Roxon, Rudd’s health minister, not to
have prepared for it three years later?


Read the full post.

UPDATE

We could do this all day:
WAYNE Swan on ABC radio’s AM on Thursday:

THERE’S no doubt he sought to tear down the 2010 campaign . . . I
don’t think many people doubt the fact that Mr Rudd, behind the scenes
in the 2010 campaign, was quite disloyal to the Labor cause, to the
Labor movement, to that movement which put him into parliament and
expects better from him.

Swan on ABC1’s The 7.30 Report, July 28, 2010:

KERRY O’Brien:
Few people know Kevin Rudd better than you in politics.
Is he, do you believe, an honourable person in this affair?


Swan:
I do believe he is an honourable person.
I do believe he is doing everything he possibly can
to see the return of the government,
including campaigning in his electorate.


Why did Labor ever choose Rudd to lead us?
Andrew Bolt – Saturday, February 25, 12 (09:48 am)

James Button was a Rudd Government speechwriter and is right to warm of
Kevin Rudd’s astonishingly dysfunctional style of management - or even
personal relations:

<blockquote>The truth is, Rudd was impossible to work with. He
regularly treated his staff, public servants and backbenchers with
rudeness and contempt. He was vindictive, intervening to deny people
appointments or preselections, often based on grudges that went back
years.

He made crushing demands on his staff, and when they laboured through
the night to meet those demands, they received no thanks, and often the
work was not used. People who dared stand up to him were put in “the
freezer” and not consulted or spoken to for months. The prodigious
loyalty of his staff to him was mostly not repaid. He put them down
behind their backs. He seemed to feel that everyone was always letting
him down. In meetings, as I saw, he could emanate a kind of icy rage
that was as mysterious as it was disturbing.

He governed by - seemed almost to thrive on - crisis. Important papers
went unsigned, staff and public servants would be pulled onto flights,
in at least one case halfway around the world, on the off chance that he
needed to consult them. Vital decisions were held up while he struggled
to make up his mind, frequently demanding more pieces of information
that merely delayed the final result. The fate of the government seemed
to hinge on the psychology of one man.

</blockquote>I can quite understand why Labor MPs - in their own interests as well as
those of the nation - are desperate to keep this man out of the Prime
Minister’s office.

The question is: why on earth did they let him in in the first place.

They are reaping the hurricane they have sown.

PS:

I am not now being wise after the event. What Labor insiders now write
about Rudd was there to be seen even before he became Prime Minister.
What so many in the Left now agree about Rudd was once - when written by
a conservative - what they denounced as the ravings of a Murdoch
attack dog: Here’s how I’ve written about Rudd from the start:

9 March 2007:
<blockquote>There’s something about him of the anxious nerd who feels the one big
thing he has over you is his exam mark. Of the obsessive who feels
endorsed by a score of 100, but devastated with 99.

In short, Rudd can seem too keen to be perfect. Too afraid to fail. Too unreal. And too brittle…

In private arguments with him, I’ve felt this brittleness. For instance,
I’ve never known him concede even the most trivial point (he’d say the
same of me, of course).

</blockquote>18 April 2007:
<blockquote> Rudd’s Sunlies stumbles are part of a pattern… Rudd tried exactly
this same bullying only last month with the Fairfax-owned Sun-Herald.

The paper had told Rudd’s staff it was about to report claims that cast
doubt on Rudd’s often-told story that his family had been brutally
evicted from their rented farmhouse, almost overnight, when his
sharefarmer father died in a car smash…

According to a Sun-Herald reporter Rudd’s office went nuclear. She said
an adviser rang her ``ranting like a lunatic’’ and warning that if she
published ``we’ll have 100 people ready to roll tomorrow morning to
trash you and your paper’’. Rudd himself then rang the paper’s editor
five times…

Rudd has shown he in fact may still lack that strength. He is so
desperate to seem perfect, he seems to panic at his imperfections.

He has now little time to remake himself before the public starts to
notice, too, and to wonder if this highly intelligent, ferociously
hard-working man does have the glass jaw that will make him
unpredictable in high office.

22 August 2007:
And how we should again wonder if Rudd is all spin and no traction…

But at some stage it won’t all fit—like that drunk Christian with the
strippers. Like the Mr ``Levelling Completely’’ who can’t be sure he saw
the lap-dancers who made him say sorry to his wife. Who agreed to play
along with Channel Seven’s fake dawn service. Who embroidered a tragedy
of his boyhood.

You will then wonder: just who is this man, so very eager now to please,
and what will he really be like if we make him Prime Minister? Will he
still remember us in the morning?

</blockquote>14 November 2007:
<blockquote>KEVIN Rudd as prime minister will be a control freak, and not just
because that’s the way he obsessively ticks. He’ll be a control freak
because he has little choice: he’s a friendless leader promising what
some in his Labor team don’t want to deliver…

Or put it this way: the story of the Rudd government is likely to be of a
jittery Labor leader with more formal power than any before him, trying
to control people with a clearer sense of direction than he has
himself.

</blockquote>4 June 2008:

Yet the private Kevin Rudd is rather different—actually deeply uncertain

<blockquote> and short of big ideas… Being so manic, and so unsure of himself, he’s
of course also famously impatient and short-tempered…

Let him bust his gut, if it’s in the service of good government. But
it’s another thing to insist everyone around him works so frantically,
too, and to so little real purpose…

... a part of this, I’m sure, is Rudd asserting his power, as much to
himself as to others. And that cannot make for efficient government. The
same is true of Rudd’s other habit of compensation—exulting in his
authority.. He is still paranoid about control, micro-managing details
best left to a deputy flunky.


</blockquote>15 August 2008:
<blockquote>YOU love the man, it seems. Newspoll this week confirmed it, giving
Kevin Rudd a solid approval rating of 58 per cent… So I look at this
typical week in Rudd’s utterly vacuous rule as Prime Minister and am
stunned.


I mean, how in God’s name does this pretender—this Great Watcher—get away with it? What am I missing?..

So, desperate to seem fair, I look for something, anything, of substance Rudd has done, and not simply discussed. Or watched.

But what do I see? Not just FuelWatch, WhaleWatch, StarWatch,
WorldWatch, AsiaWatch, NukeWatch and StateWatch, but even more of the
just-watching sorry sort.

</blockquote>9 June 2010:

I repeat, this near-perfect record of bungling cannot be a coincidence.
<blockquote>And, indeed, the common thread to it is Rudd’s fear - his fear of
delegating, his fear of taking advice from smarter people, his fear of
conceding flaws, his fear of letting his ministers have free rein, his
fear of acknowledging any agendas other than his own, his fear of hiring
advisers of adult age, his fear of not seeming across every irrelevant
detail, his fear of not seeming great.

It’s Rudd’s deep insecurity that has killed his leadership, and which
explains his often childish need to assert himself, whether by putting
his boots on your coffee table, explaining he’s “your Prime Minister” or
hogging the microphone at his endless “community Cabinet meetings”, at
which busy ministers serve as props to his vanity.

This insecurity explains, too, his outbursts of anger.. Anger is just
what you get when such an insecure man is threatened, thwarted or
belittled.

</blockquote>Labor must have known, yet still made him leader. Journalists must have
known, yet most closed their eyes. The Left should have known, yet
screamed abused at those who saw.

UPDATE

Chris Kenny:
From the dying days of the Rudd government to the months leading up to
the current conflagration, much of the Canberra press gallery either did
not understand what was going on, or did not deign to tell us…

<blockquote>Now Gillard, Rudd, Swan, Nicola Roxon, Simon Crean
and many others are telling us
exactly what has transpired since 2010 -
and we discover that
these diligent journalists (from News Ltd)
were exposing the truth.

Yet none other than
the nation’s Communications Minister
had dubbed them and their colleagues the “hate media”
and accused them of campaigning for “regime change”.

He even established a media inquiry
to consider more legislative control.


Just three weeks ago on the ABC, Swan said: “The great bulk of the
coverage that I read is just completely divorced from reality ... but
that’s the media environment we live in at the moment.”

Since then, many in the media have been vindicated and Swan has
completely changed his version of reality. Some media were pinpointing
the truth, and the politicians were hiding it.

</blockquote>UPDATE
Peter van Onselen:
<blockquote>EACH and every cabinet minister from Labor’s first term who now
(finally) condemns Kevin Rudd for having been an inept prime minister
should be ashamed of themselves. It is nothing short of pathetic. What
were they doing about it at the time? Where was their courage then -
collectively or as individuals? Why did they allow him to stay on in cabinet after the last election if he was so utterly repugnant?...

At the PM’s press conference on Thursday, Gillard wore it as a badge of
honour that in the 3 1/2 years that she served as Rudd’s deputy (in both
government and opposition) she never once undermined him to a
journalist.

So Gillard was loyal to Rudd for 3 1/2 years - despite knowing that he
was hopeless as a leader and a prime minister. After removing him she
decided to make the dysfunctional ex-leader Australia’s foreign
minister. What about loyalty to the public and the Labor movement by
doing something about Rudd’s ways rather than silently serving someone
you have such strong reservations about?

</blockquote> The Heiner Affair – 20 odd years of
Labor and Government cover-up
Piers Akerman has just written an article
reviewing the 22 year old Heiner Affair
which originated when documents
relating to child abuse
were shredded by
the Goss Queensland Labor Govt in 1990.


The documents related to an
inquiry into the former
John Oxley Youth Detention Centre headed by
former magistrate Noel Heiner in 1989.

One of the victims who was pack raped
while in Qld Govt care was recently paid $120,000
and is said to be travelling to Canberra
to make her case known.

As Piers Akerman explains – a 2,800 page audit document pulling together
the whole saga and composed by Sydney QC David Rofe was emailed to all
Senators on Australia day last month. Some leading figures in powerful
positions now are involved.

The Parliamentary Standing Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs in 2004 posted documents on the subject – look for Volume 2. That committee no longer exists.
Anybody concerned could write to their Senators and ask what they intend doing.


Senators receive Heiner allegations
Monday, February 06, 2012 at 06:15am
Piers Akerman

Meticulously prepared allegations of
the most serious misconduct by some of
the nation’s most senior public officers,
including
the Governor General Quentin Bryce,
the Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd,
and a raft of Queensland jurists
have been received
by every member of the Senate.


The allegations were contained in the Rofe Audit of the long-running
Heiner Affair
and e-mailed to every Senator on Australia Day.

The affair began with the rape of a 14-year-old Aboriginal girl
who was in the custody of the Queensland government.

Though guilt was admitted, no charges were ever laid and evidence
prepared for an inquiry into the juvenile justice system by former
magistrate Noel Heiner was subsequently ordered to be destroyed by
Queensland’s Goss government Cabinet.

For the past 22 years, the victim (who was paid about $120,000 in hush
money by the Queensland government last year) has sought to have her day
in court.


She is expected to travel to Canberra to make her case personally after Parliament resumes tomorrow.

Last year the Senate Privileges Committee voted to bury the matter but members and staff had read the submissions.

The Clerk of the Senate, Dr Rosemary Laing, in Advice 47, wrote last
June that “there is no doubt the matter raised is very serious”.

Though the Clerk’s advice was made public, the submission on which her advice based was kept confidential - until now.

An attempt to have the matter debated in the Senate was stopped by the
Labor Party and the Greens, with former Family First Senator Steven
Fielding voting to stop the matter being raised.

The allegations raised about the Governor General Quentin Bryce’s
conduct are far more serious and pertinent than those which led to
former Governor General Peter Hollingworth’s resignation in 2003.


The Rev Dr Hollingworth was driven out of office after a vindictive
campaign by senior members of the Labor Party who claimed he was not a
fit and proper person to hold the post of Governor General.

In the extensive 2,800-page document, titled the Heiner Affair Papers,
it is alleged (among other things) that
Ms Bryce did not apply the law equally in the matter of
destruction of evidence when she was governor of Queensland in 2005.
The extensive secret submission was written by senior Sydney QC David Rofe.

A number of senators have confirmed receiving the massive document.

The general distribution of the material places the Senate and the
government in a very difficult position. It is impossible for MPs to
“unknow” what they have read.

Senior parliamentary officers say it is open for Ms Bryce to request a
copy of the papers, indeed, arguably, she is duty bound to do so
urgently given the serious nature of the charges and the fact that every
senator is now in receipt of allegations which question her integrity
and fitness to hold office.


It would also appear that the Senate will have to “send” a message to
the House of Representatives about the material as it also contains
adverse allegations about a member of the Lower House, Rudd.

Parliamentary sources say that they are reviewing the Hollingworth
resignation and the handling of allegations made against the former
(now deceased) High Court Justice Lionel Murphy to prepare advice for
the Gillard Labor-minority government.

This move dramatically increases the pressure on the government and the
Opposition. Members of the public know more about the Heiner Affair than
MPs wish,
now there is no reason for Senators to plead ignorance.

The allegations are extremely serious and must be tested
or the taint will cripple the machinery of government.
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Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:24 pm

true lilly wrote:WHY DO, "Ciggy/Billy Ruben...
The Whole Sodding Mob of
The CONspiracy Industry",
BURY Posts
( e.g.
a picture of my scrote )
of THESE TOPICS
PUBLISHED IN The MSM NEWS, and
WHAT OTHERS READ AND THINK IT
...

and ATTACK THE POSTER...
true lilly wrote:Government accused of interfering in Thomson investigation
AAP, Yahoo!7
February 1, 2012, 5:43 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/12782817/government-accused-of-interfering-in-thomson-investigation/

But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...

News poll

Who do you want as Prime Minister?


Vote

Related Link:Rudd vs Gillard: It's on

taking up all our 'news' Space ...


Oh,so sorry,I thought I boycotted your threads.Must be why you keep dropping links in our threads,so starved for attention that you are.

That's fine Suzy Ryan,I accept your stupidity and madness and now ignore you knowing the futility of arguing with your pathetic lies.

Please,spam the floor,no one will notice.

No-one IMPORTANT will notice,I mean.


cheers

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Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:26 pm

McKallisti Of The Sods wrote:
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The Whole Sodding Mob of
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It's sort of an honest way to make a living...no harm done,except a few bruised egos.

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Re: And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal

Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:17 pm

Yes, with the 43 y.o. and Under,
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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:33 pm

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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:51 pm




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Re: And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal

Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:39 am

true lilly wrote:Yes, with the 43 y.o. and Under,
'Sesame Street' GAYly GREENIE
Propaganda 'raised' generation...


Oh,Fuck off.
Your mad as shit generation of homophobic,child molesting,let's keep our little secret generation,who allowed corporations to dump dioxins in the oceans,allowed nuclear atmospheric testing to happen on this proud land,who thought there was a communist subversive under every ash-tray...what,resort back to your days of ignorance and wife-beating,sucking down sherry and valium,cause you could'nt get an orgasm,unless you used a rolling pin,or leaned on the maytag during spin cycle,what return to those days of blissful ignorance.

Lead in paint,sulphur dioxins in the air,you're a real fucktard Suzy Ryan,complete and utter fucktard,but that's just your victim mentality,we are not all your uncles Suzy Ryan,we don't molest children,then keep the secret,you are your own worst enemy.Enjoy your cancers and mental breakdowns,I'm through with idiots,liars and charlatans like you.It's your and your generations fault for the state of the Earth and the molested victims,with their mental illness,out dated,old and out of touch,trying to grasp power once again,to tell us all what to do.

Fuck off and get fucked on that,they should've put you lot on the carousel long ago.

Still pro-war,good,maybe when they send your son,a student of philosophy,back in an a body bag from Asian battlefields,maybe a twat like you might finally get the message,...complete fucktard you are.

Enjoy the thread bumps and more views you evil vile bitch.



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