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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Aug 19, 2011 2:20 am

true lilly wrote:Gee, I wonder why
"tintin's" thread HAS LOST SO MANY READERS...

...and isn't this "supposed" to be,
"The ANTI-DAVID ICKE SITE"...


EVEN IF THAT WAS TRUE,WHICH IT ISN'T,IT'S YOU WHO LOST THE READERS,THAT'S WHY YOU BITCHED SO LONG ABOUT GETTING BACK ON DIF (GOOD ON YOU CORI thumbs up ),AT LEAST PEOPLE CAN SEE THE TRUE REASON YOU SPREAD LIES AND RUMOURS,YOU ONLY FOOL YOURSELF INTO BELIEVING OTHERS WOULD FOLLOW YOUR LEAD,...THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO LEAVE YOUR PHONE NUMBER AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO RING YOU,SO THEY SEE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT A CHEAP PIECE OF SHIT AND NUTJOB YOU REALLY ARE...RUMOURS FLY FAST,BUT MINE ARE THE TRUTH...AND YOU LOSE,CAUSE OF ME...UP YOURS S.RYAN...

SUZY'S PHONE NUMBER: 0424705576 cthulhu
Billy Ruben wrote:IF THERE IS ONE THING I ACHIEVED WITH THIS BITCH THIS WEEK,IS THE SUPPOSEDLY UNBENDING SUZY RYAN/TRUE LILLY SLAG OF BALLARAT,LIED,WORMED AND TWISTED HER WAY OUT OF THE SLANDER SHE SAID ABOUT OZPIXIE...WE ALL SEEN IT FOR OURSELVES,NOW SHE'S TRYING TO BLUFF HER WAY OUT,I NEVER KNEW HER NAME (OZPIXIE)STILL DON'T,SHE RECKONED SHE DID,UNTIL PROVEN WRONG BY "I AM"...NOW SHE'S SHIT SCARED OF YOU PEOPLE SEEING HER FOR WHAT SHE REALLY IS...AND THE REASON SHE REALLY SPREADS RUMOURS AND LIES,SHE'S A PATHETIC IMP OF A WOMAN,THAT HAS NOBODY IN LIFE,THAT REALLY COULD LOVE THAT THING...


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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  Billy Ruben on Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:14 pm

Do you want a lying fraud shill,representing and speaking for you,to the Christian God???
For years you have heard her claims,that she's had car bombings (which she changed to her daughter,recently),beatings twice,that put her in to hospital and that she is targetted by David Icke and Tintin,who run an International Cabal of Inept Hitmen.

She's deluded,that I would have sexual designs on herself,I detest the 50 year old prune.Slavic girls are beautiful,some,but I'm not even attracted to her ugly mind or mouth,so what is there to desire.I like functioning,mentally stable women,she's an erratic schizo psychopath.
I hit on people I would never want with forums,JD/John Drake being one,Vera Susa/True Lilly/Suzy Ryan,but if forced into a situation to choose between them both,I'll go twinky,and take JD's member deep in my mouth...eeeeeewww!!!!

lol!

But,the other day,True Lilly stepped over the line.She txt my missus,trying to stir trouble.She keeps all your data,if you're stupid enough to contact her and will never be left alone.I made that call from Sam's phone,cause she is disallowed and not trusted with home phones.But she's gone to far,with accusing all and sundry of child molestation,animal sex and more murderous plots,all of which is lies,as I filed a complaint with Ballarat Police and also informed them,of the slander she says against her former husband,who is allegedly a serving police officer.I wanted them to just question her,cause she'll go off the deep-end and start spouting the "Orange Order" is trying to kill me,that Israel is Australia and David Icke made my heater catch of fire,which is lies,she has animals in the house,she regulary sports photos of herself and family,sleeping with the doggies,they might be bored shitless of her endless rants,or it's some doggy-sex thingy going on with her clan or all of the above.

I was ignoring this forum,until I seen the Krokodile Thread and Zombie apocalypse...and stumbled on a post,where True Lilly constantly spams,Ciggy and I networking for child sex.I laughed at the pathetic moron at first and asked her nicely to stop.Where,delighted she finally got some attention,cause that is the only way she gets it,as I'm about to prove,with Tintins TNBTN thread.

That's her pathetic ploys which has snowballed into a very dangerous situation for her now.I am now,officially out to get her.For her own good,she must die,so she does'nt cause any more spiritual damage to herself.I'm doing her a favour.

Now lets prove what I'm saying.Her thread at the time,The Lying Conspiracy was being ignored,Vera Susa as it was known at David Icke forums,could'nt take the silence and miffed by rebuttals by the member Cori,she goes into meltdown.

What I want you to see,is she can't even live up to her own word,where she,quits the thread only to come back ten pages later,spamming the shit out of it,like she does here,when she can't win,bury the embarressing questions,cause everything she says,is a fuckin lie...everything.Tintin was right,any communication with her...and she'll twist to her own use,Tintin won't admit she's trying to extort him and Cori for money,but I can see right through this fuckin maniac...and IT is.

***to The Orange Order,my fees are $20,000,the head is deliverable as proof,I need a bogus marriage in Groningeng,for citizenship and she must be a nymphomaniac,to keep me occupied,while the search for Mr Ruben winds down,that should take a couple of days,considering True Lilly calls the local cops goat fuckers.Turn a blind eye fraternal policeman,we serve the same masters,Lucifer The Light bearer. Wink


Here' her same MO and tactics for the last 5 years,the ignorant fucking nonce she is...kick it,really locals,kick it.

Lilly's Kharma,1,2,3 and 4...Bugger you bitch...and I mean bugger,as buggery,in the biblical sense,you know,KNOWING YOUR DOG BIATCH...





Suzy's lover that started the heater on fire...I suggest a good grooming in future Suzy,before the friction of love...

Cori's pleas to be left alone as usual ignored,she's the criminal stalker,like she accuses me of...it's her kharma and feel no shame in what I do in future...



and the skin crawls...errrr!!!!

Jesus may have lost faith and given up,but I won't...

Time to start screaming BIATCH!!!!




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Hey Cori,
I will take Germany as a second choice...Ich Bin Ein Berliner...visit Hansa studios and Groningeng is just over the border by train,so I can collect my weed on regular occassions and hang out with Jan at the red-light district,sounds good to me...


thumbs up lol!
Oh did I mention Ballarat Police confirmed True lilly/Vera Susa/Suzy Ryan is a complete liar about the car-bombings (none have occurred in 30 years) and that she has'nt been beaten up and put in hospital,mmmmmm,careful what you wish for Suzy...hehehe,
I can blow cars up without a frigging bomb,little missy.It's just a bad option in case INNOCENT GOOD PEOPLE GET HURT OR KILLED,hehehe,the up close and personal touch is the go.

For any of you who fell for her lies and probably donated money or things to her,feel bitter and angry,you have a right to be.
She's like Goebbels,repeat the lie often enough,people tend to buy it...and that's exactly how she works,self loathing jew Nazi Sympathizer...fark her!!!


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true lilly wrote:EVIL is; denying and trying to force the world into denying,
the truly life saving warnings (given to us from the beginning),
in this age when we need to hear them most, and science
keeps proving that those warnings were given to us, from the
beginning, so that we would not have to suffer the first death,
under the rule of the prince of the air, or, second, and permanent,
death.


EVIL are; all those who worship, the prince of the air,
the father of the lie, and his religions of death worship,
they have shoved down the world's throat on his behalf
(for their own selfish desires), since the first man rejected
his God given
authority and handed his duty of care over
to a self serving, castrating, woman.


EVIL,is spreading lies and slander and sugar coating it as the "Word Of God",EVIL and PETTY is Suzy Ryan/True Lilly of Ballarat.EVIL is those who spread lies and rumours about being victimized to try and garner favour,money and free computers.Like you did at DIF and with Runlikehell.EVIL is every filthy lying dying word that excretes from that chasm you call a mouth.You'd do more good filling it with dogknot than ever uttering a word ever again.And the way you speak lies and slander,some would be happy to put you down as the rabid little thing that you are.I will not stop and continue to heckle,cajole,derail and threaten until I get my chance to debate you face to face...I'll be using a form of "Charades" so even an idiot such as yourself,can't misunderstand my message.See you, oh so very soon,Suzy Ryan.Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!...Cthulhu!

ccc

dizzy

True Lilly wrote:
That's
The First Commandment of
The Creator God,
Who told us, From The Beginning,
about

All This Real World He Really Created,
and THE AGE of LIFE, HERE
In This Real World, BEFORE

OXYGEN=the prince of the air=DEATH
...

There needs to be peace in the world.
But you see,there are some weird beliefs from religeous types,who not only welcome and celebrate our destruction,to us and our children,there are some who cannot wait for the seals of revelations to unfold,fruiters and fruit-loops like our very own forum prophet,True Lilly.I know her belief system,I know she's a Gerald Flurry fruiter groupie,but you see,in the interest of sorting the chaff from the wheat,I was hoping,Suzy Ryan/True Lilly,Gerald Flurry and all those type followers could hold their breathe now,and take no more,to set an example,from their sacrifice,that they trully loved us and stick by their beliefs,that they foist upon us,not so gentlely.It would be an exhibition of their true faith and belief and would applaud their move to do so,as I continue,to breathe the fumes from Beezlebubs arse,cause I'm a sell out and a proud satanist,for I cower and wish to continue to live.

God,she and her ilk are starting to sound like these death cults.If one had a choice,I'll take the Moonies,with wild sex and suicide at the end of it,but to live as a sexually frustrated fucked up christian and suicide without the drugs and group-sex,I just feel,somewhere,they got the short-end of the stick.If not,a few sandwhiches,short of a picnic....DER!!!!


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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  Billy Ruben on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:22 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
True Fuckwit Lilly wrote:
And isn't that exactly what the 16 Moderators
on David Icke Official Forums do:
SELL that "ONENESS" AGENDA;

MOCK ANYONE NOT SELLING THE VIEWS 'THEIR'
MAIN STREAM PROMOTED ORGANISATIONS.

And, IF THE MOCKING FAILS TO CONVERT or SILENCE THEM,
'THEY' SIMPLY BAN THEM, OVER ALL 'THEIR' MAIN STREAM
PROMOTED FORUMS.

Yep, it's all the same mobs, as any Google search for information
on the ACTUAL, Secret Religious Agenda behind 'David Icke, shows.
As no matter how specifically you word your search, what little 'they'
offer is well and truly flooded out with glorious praise for Icke and
vicious attacks against those who have cared to warn others
of the hypocrisy of that man and his backers, supporters and
followers.
Such as demanding excuses for all 'his/their' hypocrisies be accepted
as some sort of evidence of 'humaness & holiness', while utterly
damning any of his/their opponents for life, on any unrelated
minor human failing, whether real, perceived or INVENTED.

btw, while on the subject...'Billy Ruben' also told me that
'he' has 'now' 'outed' 'himself'.

Why? Because 'Billy Ruben' is NOT one person, but,
'Billy Ruben' now needs to be, 'believed to be', one person.

'One person' who 'couldn't possibly be associated with' those
'Billy Ruben' has Publicly declared association with, and support
for.
Those who in the real world, simply can't afford
to be known to associate with the likes of 'Billy Ruben's',
'cori's' or each other.

And those who still have to act friendly in the real world,
when they are not busy posting as 'Billy Ruben's', 'cori's',
and the other on line 'names' that 'they' hide behind, while
plotting with 'their' real world, secret associates, for the
installation of 'their' Beastly One World Religion.

How do I know?
How didn't 'they' know I do?
Too busy inventing lies 'they' lie I say, mean and believe,
to bother listening to what I actually say, mean and know.
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True Lilly wrote:

btw, while on the subject...'Billy Ruben' also told me that
'he' has 'now' 'outed' 'himself'.

Why? Because 'Billy Ruben' is NOT one person, but,
'Billy Ruben' now needs to be, 'believed to be', one person.

'One person' who 'couldn't possibly be associated with' those
'Billy Ruben' has Publicly declared association with, and support
for.

uh-huh,did you know I outed myself before I even joined Sodlike you lying,faker,extortionist fuckwit???
Absolute no brainer beating your lies fool,no effort,but enjoyable all the same.
Billy Ruben wrote:What's your next trick True Lilly,same old MO for years,I know you...do you get it,inside and out...I know you...and run rings around your arguements,where a stupid shitbag like you can't understand the level of abuse you DESERVE,do you get it,it does'nt make you look good and me bad,you just demonstarte your stubborn stupidity...if someone needs a good beating to bash sense in them,it is you,madam...greatest dipshit I ever met online.This all snowballed from one lie...and now,I love it,ner,ner,ner,ner

Razz Razz Razz Razz
Billy Ruben wrote:We've gone through all this True Lilly,these days you speak untruths,lies,yes,distortions,just to get me to answer your piss poor boring offer nothing,crap-house threads...and I have the pleasure knowing that and to tell you to your face and publicly humiliate you,cause you offer,nothing...nothing at all...I found out,if you lived by the bible tonight,retard,you,as a woman,are not,NOT ALLOWED to preach the gospel,not only that,you twist and distort it.You see,you do this,you get attention,hate usually,cause you're a loner and lost your family support and love,Your ex-hubby is Mum and Dad,thanks to your madness...isn't there a little bit that feels pain reading that,can't you make amends and be a good mum,instead of a raving lunatic...love your people and keep it shut for a while,OK,,little Suzy.


Billy Ruben wrote:Here,I got YOU real good this time


Lilly,what does this say,know thy place...and shut the mouth,you have no right to speak of the bible,here's the farkin proof,I got you...


Billy Ruben wrote:Listen mental case,I answered this post in another thread,enjoy it while it last mate,every thread you've done and will do in future,will be put in your sub-forum.And THEN,I'll lobby Sod-Admin,with a bit of coke and a blowjob,to keep you there and post no-where else on this forum,so lap it up bitch,time is short,ner,ner,ner,ner

Razz Razz Razz Razz
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True Lillys' Pm where she's BOASTFULLY proud of losing her family to have communion and telepathic Rapport with demons...uh,I mean't GOD...read on.Remember,she used my PM's first and my Phone TXT's,so I'm completely blameless,bringing this revelation to you...and proud!!!
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Married: 21-11-1981
First of 3 children to that, my one husband,
Born: 12-11-1982
Followed by 9 straight years of breastfeeding and/or being pregnant.

So old fashioned, you have to go back to genesis,
and that's why all my, worldly lusting, family hated me,
but failing to make me reject my faith in God,
they turned on and still, sabotage my children,
for which, they will answer to GOD'S Judgement,
and my children will be forgiven their errors,
taught them by those they can't believe, could,
hate God so bitterly...yet...

You see Suzy,I knew your family turned on you,look at some of the things you do that drive people away.God does'nt want neurotic followers,you have to have a normal life too...

Breastfeeding is excellent...both our kids did two years each on the tit,also mixed with food and drink as they developed,it was my idea back then too.Our kids did'nt cry,whinge or keep us up at night,pretty blessed we were back then...My ideas,not hers...was'nt a bad bloke either.
You know nothing, because they are the same people of your camp, that loaded so many fools with their bad 'intelligence' about me (too busy selling the lie, to bother to get to actually know those they lie about: 'insider' knowledge doesn't come from close proximity, but closeness in mind and heart), in an effort to cover their sins of sacrificing the small, weak and powerless, to acquire their personal desires. The same people who hate anyone who loves doing just service. The same people, so stupid as to destroy every blessing I freely gave and shared with them, rather than ever admit those blessings came from their own, faithful lover of The Creator. I simply walked away from them so they wouldn't keep compounding their sins, but they are even more stupid than I wanted to admit, and keep sending their little lap dogs to snap at me and mine...with things like trying to blow up my daughter with her first car. So stupid that they keep proving their associations (in those snipping efforts), with the Low Lives that their public persona's are held to be 'above', and so also undermining any chance of recovery from their coming, very personal 'crashes' that I kept privately warning them they are headed for if they don't at lest relent if they can't yet repent. So stupid they stepped up their evils, from under the (now transparently thin), cover of The LOWEST of LOW of 'their' associates (that in turn expose 'their' 'powerful' associates who really can't afford to be seen to share those same, Low associations), rather than simply back off. Powerful associates I also warned of the dumb bunnies and traitors in their circles.
So, in your case, I'm glad you keep peddling their crap.
And, they should also know by now, how many and who, of those lap dogs and dumb bunnies, did not pass on my warnings, that they really wish they had have received...oh, it won't make those 'family' and 'friends' any more inclined to finally do right by me, far too blinded by pride, but they will be blaming and turning on more of their own ilk to punish them, for what they are too proud to admit, their own pride cost them. Which in turn will further piss off the Powerful people as they do their cost benefit analysis of the association they can afford to maintain.

If I were bitter, I would have been sneaking around taking vengeance or sitting back silently waiting, to enjoy my enemies coming just deserts, but instead I keep risking my life, by standing in the middle of the road, Calling, "CAR!"...and it breaks my heart for them, to see how much they would rather die, than admit I could, let alone would, still care to warn them.

so... and try to think, you may actually learn something worth understanding.


Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Ha! and who DIDN'T see this coming!

Craig Oxley+Cruise, David Icke+tintin,

Cruise=tintin,

'the jesuits did it','cos they are the jews',

Unhinged Minds=Unhived Lizards,


and so on, throughout CONspiracy land...
Rolling Eyes

What?Are you going to spam your way through life now...AND,I thought you did'nt believe in the Reptilians,eating your own words,not hard to do...If I remember from your mad rantings,did'nt Tintin = David Icke,or you finally figured out your error there...sheesh!!!
rolf rolf
Billy Ruben wrote:
True Lilly wrote:
The timing was 'interesting', because it was posted,
after my ex left...mmm...yes, and more besides. See,
I was going to have a rest, after posting about 'Billy Ruben's'
latest phone threats, when who should rock up, for the second,
unannounced time today, but my ex. Only this time, he simply had to,
drop some *KEY Private Meaning Words=personal threats at me,
and 'arrange' to get my son out of the house, tomorrow, the 26th,
yep, he also had to randomly 'drop' the fact that that is tomorrow's date,
and yeah, that is 'that date' on which 'they' just luuvvv trying to
bash me to death.

The message was timely, because it addresses what it is
that I am most hated for;
simply, my faith, in The Perfect Justice of Our Loving Creator,
and that the countless blessings I've enjoyed, I've always credited to God,
and that it has never been in my heart to blame God, for my sins and errors,
or the evils of those who knowingly, willing, hate and fight God...
...as 'The Billy Ruben's' have always been desperate to force me to do,
by inflicting great injustices and evils on me AND MINE, then cackling,
"where's your god now"...while missing the point, that it is My God,
The Creator of us all, Who brought me into Their Lives, to be a witness
of His countless blessings, and warn them against choosing to reject
The Saving Grace of His Living Word.

*KEY Private Meaning Words=personal threats:
you know, the sort of things diagnosed sociopaths just have to
admit behind closed doors, like admissions of past crimes against
you and promises of more to come, while sneering that 'no one
will believe you, including the police'; Just As His Very Public
Defender, 'Billy Ruben', keeps Publicly Boasting He Does, and
Publicly Threatening, To Do More and Worse.

Hey Suzy Ryan,
send my regards and love to your ex-hubby,Billy ruben2 Ryan,we have concluded after the meeting with the Australian Division of the Orange Order,to get your son out of the house,before I "Whack" you and take your head for payment,as we do sex rites and magic rituals with your corpse to curse you for your next life,I want you to come back as a fly,because,you'll be a maggot first,then,I'll catch you,then I'll pull your wings off and you wont be a fly anymore,but a Walk,then I swat you and you'll be a Dead...

Fark You Bitch...and your son should be left alone,cause you're a nutter,spreading shit in his brain...


lol!

Billy Ruben wrote:The above spammed bullshit is the usual crap she's been shoving down everybodies throats for the last two weeks.BOYS AND GIRLS AT HOME,DON'T YOU JUST HATE JESUS AND GOD WHEN IT COMES FROM THE FILTHY DYING CHASMS LIKE THIS LOUDMOUTHED FREAK.SHE DOES GOD A DIS-SERVICE...HAVE SONG BITCH...F*CK YOU GOD...



Billy Ruben wrote:"It is our duty to insult him,F*ck you god,Strike me down if you dare you tyrant,you non-existant fraud..."


thumbs up
lol! lol! lol! lol!

satan ccc
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Lilly,since you're brave because you stand by God and all that...can we have a nice picture of your face,please?
I'd like to design your very own Christian Prophetess Icon,it would be a gas and very,very funny!Trust me for once...



rolf
Billy Ruben wrote:
el kabong wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Please don't spam my threads True Lilly,thankyou,love Billy...

she is Barking Mad isn't she Billyboy?

I found your reminiceings interesting until Lilly Queen of Bullshit showed up and flooded your Thread like she does everywhere on this Forum.

My condolences ol' chap.
tiphat

Thankyou...that's really want I want to do,write about the day that's been and other things,then,ya get SPAMMED TO DEATH AND OUT THE DOOR...it changes day to day,you come here to defend yourself from "babyfucker" allegations,then,you remember the free atmosphere and pink,then you remember you liked the place...so,good,you get bent,it's been a nice day and night,so,you offer the forum something a little different and get shat upon from forum prophet,although false she be,forum nutter,stalker,crazy woman,True lilly...

Glad you see it and thanks for the up about writing shit,appreciate it.Billy... thumbs up
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:...seems I'm not supposed to post what I found...

...PRAY.

that's right... thumbs up

It began like this

Billy Ruben wrote:then encrypted rambling spam...

then True lilly started to screaming insanely,because the need to SPAM was so great

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote: ... silent... silent... silent... ... Cool Wink

got to you did'nt it?

then half an hour later,you spammed,and did'nt you let it out.
You have a problem Suzy,besides being a closet pisspot.
Actually,come to think about it,you're irredeemable...

You have clear issues...I could've saved you the cost of a SMS,I replied,U R insane... wub wacky cheers


and what's worse,f*ck-all to use for the bloody Powerball.

Pissed off...

Billy Ruben wrote:then,sure as shit,easy to predict,Billy gets niggley...

she spams some more


Billy Ruben wrote:Lilly...

Listen here,there's no need to spam my fucking thread,ok?

I made it plain I read you fucking threads,got it?

No more fucking spam,you fucking old biddy... thumbs down cthulhu

I can't take it no more... aaargh

Billy Ruben wrote:...and thirst for blood,nearing a coronary,he refrains from swearing...

Billy Ruben wrote:So delving into her childhood by telepathic ethernet,I found rather disturbing,but strangely stimulating images and references..
Billy Ruben wrote:You see Lilly,being the country girl that you are and always been,...this is love.



Not just being a CHAMPION BREEDER,BUT YOU SEE,when you was little,most kids learn't,from dogs,the 70's my era,what swingers party was on for the night...and for me,the local toilet wall...and THAT was eye-opening.

But not you,no...out there on the meadows,soft breeze in your hair,dandelions float and sway dropping its seed in mysterious locations,just solitude,you and a horse with a rather large erect penis...


Billy Ruben wrote:which led to much deeper and psychological complexities turned into a positive and prosperous venture..

Billy Ruben wrote:But this love and fascination was not lost,now was it?
There was a market for horse stimulators and this sticky enterprise paid handsome dividends...



And yourself,being a proud and rather talented and gifted horse stimulator,made a nice handsome living...until much further down the track,when you discovered that copious ingestion of the spirit known as Gin,helped you contact the God Of Oztralia and soaked in Gin you delivereth...

Many unkind messages...


Uh OK,True Lilly,your God gives Allah head...there,insulted???

There,take that and the toilet paper you keep quoting,The BlueLetterBible,suck on my littl'un...BIATCH!!!


lol!













Billy Ruben wrote:She tried talking over the top of me,hahahahaha,I laughed in her face about exposing her for years of lies and relying on the generosity of others with those lies.I also said,the only reason she outed her name,phone number etc,was to lend credibilty to those lies...and that's excatly how it is...besides,she's completely mad.For now on,she only fools the fools,like Palomino,but others who suspected truth to her...there is none.She called me a big dickless cock and hung up...wooooooo,arguement defeating line that one...

rolf lol!

Billy Ruben wrote:It's a small forum dip-shit,you can't spam and hide and hope half a dozen posters will help bury it.How'd you feel about Cori being here last night,oh,that's right,hahahahahahahaha,you ran away and logged off,like you do everytime that tiny brain has no way of worming its way out,hahahahahaha...F*ck Yeah...

True Lilly wrote:

But on another matter:
This is a "dumb crime",
of 'Billy Ruben aka Jason aka Jase';
Received: 19-8-2011
Billy Ruben wrote:Nothing smart to say
today fuckwit,good
know ur place
in future chump,or
serious business
,i
hate u 4 wot u say &
the way i set it
up
,cops wont help u

.up urs sweetie

True Lilly wrote:
No 'Billy Ruben', so why don't 'you' enlighten us,
as to WHY 'you' love to PUBLICLY BRAG that 'you' HAVE
POLICE WILLING TO ACT CORRUPTLY FOR 'YOU'?
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Just to make it clear;
how does 'Billy Ruben' believe this 'proves' that
I am 'not' a victim of bitter individuals who are also
criminally corrupt public officials, who cover each other's arses?

Billy Ruben wrote:Billy Says:


Billy Ruben wrote:Nothing smart to say
today fuckwit,good
know ur place
in future chump,or
serious business
,i
hate u 4 wot u say &
the way i set it
up
,cops wont help u

.up urs sweetie
True Lilly wrote:And it get 'better'. Rolling Eyes Just in...

Billy Ruben wrote:Sucked in jewish dog
rooting lying slut,do u
know the real reason
i got the cops to
ignore u
,huh?ur a
goner
Billy Ruben wrote:Soon as negotiations
r finalised
demons
will disapear u,errrr!


Billy Ruben wrote:well,call the police and file a complaint

rolf


True Lilly wrote:
And it get 'better'. Rolling Eyes Just in...

Billy Ruben wrote:Prove it slag,someone must've hacked my phone,I did'nt say that.... rolf

Billy Ruben wrote:Tintin was right,any communication with her...and she'll twist to her own use,Tintin won't admit she's trying to extort him and Cori for money,but I can see right through this fuckin maniac...and IT is.

Billy Ruben wrote:For any of you who fell for her lies and probably donated money or things to her,feel bitter and angry,you have a right to be.
She's like Goebbels,repeat the lie often enough,people tend to buy it...and that's exactly how she works,self loathing jew Nazi Sympathizer...fark her!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:JUST RANG THE LYING COW,SHE AVOIDED ALL THE QUESTIONS HAD NOTHING TO SAY AND HER SPEECH WAS SO SLOWED AND SLURRED,SHE WAS DOSED UP ON SOMETHING,PITY,IT DOES'NT REMOVE HER DELUSIONS ABOUT EVERYONE SHE INTERACTS WITH.I WROTE HER OFF,NO SWEARING OR THREATS AND LAUGHED IN HER FACE FOR DESTROYING HER CREDIBILTY (VERY LITTLE OF) AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE DENIES AND SPAMS AWAY,EVERYONE CAN SEE IT AND SHE'LL NEVER RECOVER FROM IT."sHE SAYS,I GOT TO GO NOW,THANKYOU",IN THAT HIDEOUS PIXIE SHIT TONE VOICE OF HERS,UGLY OUTSIDE AND UGLY TO THE BONE THAT ONE IS...THIS IS VICTORY...THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STEP WAY OVER THE LINE,FOR TOO LONG,THIS HAS BEEN COMING...SHE'S SO UGLY,YOU GOT NO IDEA,THE VULGARNESS OF ITS VOICE,HIDEOUS.HERE'S HER PHONE NUMBER:0424705576...SORRY,I CHOSE BROWN,BROWN FOR POOP THAT DRIVELS OUT HER MOUTH...

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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  Billy Ruben on Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:23 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
True Fuckwit Lilly wrote:
And isn't that exactly what the 16 Moderators
on David Icke Official Forums do:
SELL that "ONENESS" AGENDA;

MOCK ANYONE NOT SELLING THE VIEWS 'THEIR'
MAIN STREAM PROMOTED ORGANISATIONS.

And, IF THE MOCKING FAILS TO CONVERT or SILENCE THEM,
'THEY' SIMPLY BAN THEM, OVER ALL 'THEIR' MAIN STREAM
PROMOTED FORUMS.

Yep, it's all the same mobs, as any Google search for information
on the ACTUAL, Secret Religious Agenda behind 'David Icke, shows.
As no matter how specifically you word your search, what little 'they'
offer is well and truly flooded out with glorious praise for Icke and
vicious attacks against those who have cared to warn others
of the hypocrisy of that man and his backers, supporters and
followers.
Such as demanding excuses for all 'his/their' hypocrisies be accepted
as some sort of evidence of 'humaness & holiness', while utterly
damning any of his/their opponents for life, on any unrelated
minor human failing, whether real, perceived or INVENTED.

btw, while on the subject...'Billy Ruben' also told me that
'he' has 'now' 'outed' 'himself'.

Why? Because 'Billy Ruben' is NOT one person, but,
'Billy Ruben' now needs to be, 'believed to be', one person.

'One person' who 'couldn't possibly be associated with' those
'Billy Ruben' has Publicly declared association with, and support
for.
Those who in the real world, simply can't afford
to be known to associate with the likes of 'Billy Ruben's',
'cori's' or each other.

And those who still have to act friendly in the real world,
when they are not busy posting as 'Billy Ruben's', 'cori's',
and the other on line 'names' that 'they' hide behind, while
plotting with 'their' real world, secret associates, for the
installation of 'their' Beastly One World Religion.

How do I know?
How didn't 'they' know I do?
Too busy inventing lies 'they' lie I say, mean and believe,
to bother listening to what I actually say, mean and know.
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True Lilly wrote:

btw, while on the subject...'Billy Ruben' also told me that
'he' has 'now' 'outed' 'himself'.

Why? Because 'Billy Ruben' is NOT one person, but,
'Billy Ruben' now needs to be, 'believed to be', one person.

'One person' who 'couldn't possibly be associated with' those
'Billy Ruben' has Publicly declared association with, and support
for.

uh-huh,did you know I outed myself before I even joined Sodlike you lying,faker,extortionist fuckwit???
Absolute no brainer beating your lies fool,no effort,but enjoyable all the same.
Billy Ruben wrote:What's your next trick True Lilly,same old MO for years,I know you...do you get it,inside and out...I know you...and run rings around your arguements,where a stupid shitbag like you can't understand the level of abuse you DESERVE,do you get it,it does'nt make you look good and me bad,you just demonstarte your stubborn stupidity...if someone needs a good beating to bash sense in them,it is you,madam...greatest dipshit I ever met online.This all snowballed from one lie...and now,I love it,ner,ner,ner,ner

Razz Razz Razz Razz
Billy Ruben wrote:We've gone through all this True Lilly,these days you speak untruths,lies,yes,distortions,just to get me to answer your piss poor boring offer nothing,crap-house threads...and I have the pleasure knowing that and to tell you to your face and publicly humiliate you,cause you offer,nothing...nothing at all...I found out,if you lived by the bible tonight,retard,you,as a woman,are not,NOT ALLOWED to preach the gospel,not only that,you twist and distort it.You see,you do this,you get attention,hate usually,cause you're a loner and lost your family support and love,Your ex-hubby is Mum and Dad,thanks to your madness...isn't there a little bit that feels pain reading that,can't you make amends and be a good mum,instead of a raving lunatic...love your people and keep it shut for a while,OK,,little Suzy.


Billy Ruben wrote:Here,I got YOU real good this time


Lilly,what does this say,know thy place...and shut the mouth,you have no right to speak of the bible,here's the farkin proof,I got you...


Billy Ruben wrote:Listen mental case,I answered this post in another thread,enjoy it while it last mate,every thread you've done and will do in future,will be put in your sub-forum.And THEN,I'll lobby Sod-Admin,with a bit of coke and a blowjob,to keep you there and post no-where else on this forum,so lap it up bitch,time is short,ner,ner,ner,ner

Razz Razz Razz Razz
[/quote]
True Lillys' Pm where she's BOASTFULLY proud of losing her family to have communion and telepathic Rapport with demons...uh,I mean't GOD...read on.Remember,she used my PM's first and my Phone TXT's,so I'm completely blameless,bringing this revelation to you...and proud!!!
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Married: 21-11-1981
First of 3 children to that, my one husband,
Born: 12-11-1982
Followed by 9 straight years of breastfeeding and/or being pregnant.

So old fashioned, you have to go back to genesis,
and that's why all my, worldly lusting, family hated me,
but failing to make me reject my faith in God,
they turned on and still, sabotage my children,
for which, they will answer to GOD'S Judgement,
and my children will be forgiven their errors,
taught them by those they can't believe, could,
hate God so bitterly...yet...

You see Suzy,I knew your family turned on you,look at some of the things you do that drive people away.God does'nt want neurotic followers,you have to have a normal life too...

Breastfeeding is excellent...both our kids did two years each on the tit,also mixed with food and drink as they developed,it was my idea back then too.Our kids did'nt cry,whinge or keep us up at night,pretty blessed we were back then...My ideas,not hers...was'nt a bad bloke either.
You know nothing, because they are the same people of your camp, that loaded so many fools with their bad 'intelligence' about me (too busy selling the lie, to bother to get to actually know those they lie about: 'insider' knowledge doesn't come from close proximity, but closeness in mind and heart), in an effort to cover their sins of sacrificing the small, weak and powerless, to acquire their personal desires. The same people who hate anyone who loves doing just service. The same people, so stupid as to destroy every blessing I freely gave and shared with them, rather than ever admit those blessings came from their own, faithful lover of The Creator. I simply walked away from them so they wouldn't keep compounding their sins, but they are even more stupid than I wanted to admit, and keep sending their little lap dogs to snap at me and mine...with things like trying to blow up my daughter with her first car. So stupid that they keep proving their associations (in those snipping efforts), with the Low Lives that their public persona's are held to be 'above', and so also undermining any chance of recovery from their coming, very personal 'crashes' that I kept privately warning them they are headed for if they don't at lest relent if they can't yet repent. So stupid they stepped up their evils, from under the (now transparently thin), cover of The LOWEST of LOW of 'their' associates (that in turn expose 'their' 'powerful' associates who really can't afford to be seen to share those same, Low associations), rather than simply back off. Powerful associates I also warned of the dumb bunnies and traitors in their circles.
So, in your case, I'm glad you keep peddling their crap.
And, they should also know by now, how many and who, of those lap dogs and dumb bunnies, did not pass on my warnings, that they really wish they had have received...oh, it won't make those 'family' and 'friends' any more inclined to finally do right by me, far too blinded by pride, but they will be blaming and turning on more of their own ilk to punish them, for what they are too proud to admit, their own pride cost them. Which in turn will further piss off the Powerful people as they do their cost benefit analysis of the association they can afford to maintain.

If I were bitter, I would have been sneaking around taking vengeance or sitting back silently waiting, to enjoy my enemies coming just deserts, but instead I keep risking my life, by standing in the middle of the road, Calling, "CAR!"...and it breaks my heart for them, to see how much they would rather die, than admit I could, let alone would, still care to warn them.

so... and try to think, you may actually learn something worth understanding.


Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Ha! and who DIDN'T see this coming!

Craig Oxley+Cruise, David Icke+tintin,

Cruise=tintin,

'the jesuits did it','cos they are the jews',

Unhinged Minds=Unhived Lizards,


and so on, throughout CONspiracy land...
Rolling Eyes

What?Are you going to spam your way through life now...AND,I thought you did'nt believe in the Reptilians,eating your own words,not hard to do...If I remember from your mad rantings,did'nt Tintin = David Icke,or you finally figured out your error there...sheesh!!!
rolf rolf
Billy Ruben wrote:
True Lilly wrote:
The timing was 'interesting', because it was posted,
after my ex left...mmm...yes, and more besides. See,
I was going to have a rest, after posting about 'Billy Ruben's'
latest phone threats, when who should rock up, for the second,
unannounced time today, but my ex. Only this time, he simply had to,
drop some *KEY Private Meaning Words=personal threats at me,
and 'arrange' to get my son out of the house, tomorrow, the 26th,
yep, he also had to randomly 'drop' the fact that that is tomorrow's date,
and yeah, that is 'that date' on which 'they' just luuvvv trying to
bash me to death.

The message was timely, because it addresses what it is
that I am most hated for;
simply, my faith, in The Perfect Justice of Our Loving Creator,
and that the countless blessings I've enjoyed, I've always credited to God,
and that it has never been in my heart to blame God, for my sins and errors,
or the evils of those who knowingly, willing, hate and fight God...
...as 'The Billy Ruben's' have always been desperate to force me to do,
by inflicting great injustices and evils on me AND MINE, then cackling,
"where's your god now"...while missing the point, that it is My God,
The Creator of us all, Who brought me into Their Lives, to be a witness
of His countless blessings, and warn them against choosing to reject
The Saving Grace of His Living Word.

*KEY Private Meaning Words=personal threats:
you know, the sort of things diagnosed sociopaths just have to
admit behind closed doors, like admissions of past crimes against
you and promises of more to come, while sneering that 'no one
will believe you, including the police'; Just As His Very Public
Defender, 'Billy Ruben', keeps Publicly Boasting He Does, and
Publicly Threatening, To Do More and Worse.

Hey Suzy Ryan,
send my regards and love to your ex-hubby,Billy ruben2 Ryan,we have concluded after the meeting with the Australian Division of the Orange Order,to get your son out of the house,before I "Whack" you and take your head for payment,as we do sex rites and magic rituals with your corpse to curse you for your next life,I want you to come back as a fly,because,you'll be a maggot first,then,I'll catch you,then I'll pull your wings off and you wont be a fly anymore,but a Walk,then I swat you and you'll be a Dead...

Fark You Bitch...and your son should be left alone,cause you're a nutter,spreading shit in his brain...


lol!

Billy Ruben wrote:The above spammed bullshit is the usual crap she's been shoving down everybodies throats for the last two weeks.BOYS AND GIRLS AT HOME,DON'T YOU JUST HATE JESUS AND GOD WHEN IT COMES FROM THE FILTHY DYING CHASMS LIKE THIS LOUDMOUTHED FREAK.SHE DOES GOD A DIS-SERVICE...HAVE SONG BITCH...F*CK YOU GOD...



Billy Ruben wrote:"It is our duty to insult him,F*ck you god,Strike me down if you dare you tyrant,you non-existant fraud..."


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satan ccc
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Lilly,since you're brave because you stand by God and all that...can we have a nice picture of your face,please?
I'd like to design your very own Christian Prophetess Icon,it would be a gas and very,very funny!Trust me for once...



rolf
Billy Ruben wrote:
el kabong wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Please don't spam my threads True Lilly,thankyou,love Billy...

she is Barking Mad isn't she Billyboy?

I found your reminiceings interesting until Lilly Queen of Bullshit showed up and flooded your Thread like she does everywhere on this Forum.

My condolences ol' chap.
tiphat

Thankyou...that's really want I want to do,write about the day that's been and other things,then,ya get SPAMMED TO DEATH AND OUT THE DOOR...it changes day to day,you come here to defend yourself from "babyfucker" allegations,then,you remember the free atmosphere and pink,then you remember you liked the place...so,good,you get bent,it's been a nice day and night,so,you offer the forum something a little different and get shat upon from forum prophet,although false she be,forum nutter,stalker,crazy woman,True lilly...

Glad you see it and thanks for the up about writing shit,appreciate it.Billy... thumbs up
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:...seems I'm not supposed to post what I found...

...PRAY.

that's right... thumbs up

It began like this

Billy Ruben wrote:then encrypted rambling spam...

then True lilly started to screaming insanely,because the need to SPAM was so great

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote: ... silent... silent... silent... ... Cool Wink

got to you did'nt it?

then half an hour later,you spammed,and did'nt you let it out.
You have a problem Suzy,besides being a closet pisspot.
Actually,come to think about it,you're irredeemable...

You have clear issues...I could've saved you the cost of a SMS,I replied,U R insane... wub wacky cheers


and what's worse,f*ck-all to use for the bloody Powerball.

Pissed off...

Billy Ruben wrote:then,sure as shit,easy to predict,Billy gets niggley...

she spams some more


Billy Ruben wrote:Lilly...

Listen here,there's no need to spam my fucking thread,ok?

I made it plain I read you fucking threads,got it?

No more fucking spam,you fucking old biddy... thumbs down cthulhu

I can't take it no more... aaargh

Billy Ruben wrote:...and thirst for blood,nearing a coronary,he refrains from swearing...

Billy Ruben wrote:So delving into her childhood by telepathic ethernet,I found rather disturbing,but strangely stimulating images and references..
Billy Ruben wrote:You see Lilly,being the country girl that you are and always been,...this is love.



Not just being a CHAMPION BREEDER,BUT YOU SEE,when you was little,most kids learn't,from dogs,the 70's my era,what swingers party was on for the night...and for me,the local toilet wall...and THAT was eye-opening.

But not you,no...out there on the meadows,soft breeze in your hair,dandelions float and sway dropping its seed in mysterious locations,just solitude,you and a horse with a rather large erect penis...


Billy Ruben wrote:which led to much deeper and psychological complexities turned into a positive and prosperous venture..

Billy Ruben wrote:But this love and fascination was not lost,now was it?
There was a market for horse stimulators and this sticky enterprise paid handsome dividends...



And yourself,being a proud and rather talented and gifted horse stimulator,made a nice handsome living...until much further down the track,when you discovered that copious ingestion of the spirit known as Gin,helped you contact the God Of Oztralia and soaked in Gin you delivereth...

Many unkind messages...


Uh OK,True Lilly,your God gives Allah head...there,insulted???

There,take that and the toilet paper you keep quoting,The BlueLetterBible,suck on my littl'un...BIATCH!!!


lol!













Billy Ruben wrote:She tried talking over the top of me,hahahahaha,I laughed in her face about exposing her for years of lies and relying on the generosity of others with those lies.I also said,the only reason she outed her name,phone number etc,was to lend credibilty to those lies...and that's excatly how it is...besides,she's completely mad.For now on,she only fools the fools,like Palomino,but others who suspected truth to her...there is none.She called me a big dickless cock and hung up...wooooooo,arguement defeating line that one...

rolf lol!

Billy Ruben wrote:It's a small forum dip-shit,you can't spam and hide and hope half a dozen posters will help bury it.How'd you feel about Cori being here last night,oh,that's right,hahahahahahahaha,you ran away and logged off,like you do everytime that tiny brain has no way of worming its way out,hahahahahaha...F*ck Yeah...

True Lilly wrote:

But on another matter:
This is a "dumb crime",
of 'Billy Ruben aka Jason aka Jase';
Received: 19-8-2011
Billy Ruben wrote:Nothing smart to say
today fuckwit,good
know ur place
in future chump,or
serious business
,i
hate u 4 wot u say &
the way i set it
up
,cops wont help u

.up urs sweetie

True Lilly wrote:
No 'Billy Ruben', so why don't 'you' enlighten us,
as to WHY 'you' love to PUBLICLY BRAG that 'you' HAVE
POLICE WILLING TO ACT CORRUPTLY FOR 'YOU'?
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Just to make it clear;
how does 'Billy Ruben' believe this 'proves' that
I am 'not' a victim of bitter individuals who are also
criminally corrupt public officials, who cover each other's arses?

Billy Ruben wrote:Billy Says:


Billy Ruben wrote:Nothing smart to say
today fuckwit,good
know ur place
in future chump,or
serious business
,i
hate u 4 wot u say &
the way i set it
up
,cops wont help u

.up urs sweetie
True Lilly wrote:And it get 'better'. Rolling Eyes Just in...

Billy Ruben wrote:Sucked in jewish dog
rooting lying slut,do u
know the real reason
i got the cops to
ignore u
,huh?ur a
goner
Billy Ruben wrote:Soon as negotiations
r finalised
demons
will disapear u,errrr!


Billy Ruben wrote:well,call the police and file a complaint

rolf


True Lilly wrote:
And it get 'better'. Rolling Eyes Just in...

Billy Ruben wrote:Prove it slag,someone must've hacked my phone,I did'nt say that.... rolf

Billy Ruben wrote:Tintin was right,any communication with her...and she'll twist to her own use,Tintin won't admit she's trying to extort him and Cori for money,but I can see right through this fuckin maniac...and IT is.

Billy Ruben wrote:For any of you who fell for her lies and probably donated money or things to her,feel bitter and angry,you have a right to be.
She's like Goebbels,repeat the lie often enough,people tend to buy it...and that's exactly how she works,self loathing jew Nazi Sympathizer...fark her!!!

Billy Ruben wrote:JUST RANG THE LYING COW,SHE AVOIDED ALL THE QUESTIONS HAD NOTHING TO SAY AND HER SPEECH WAS SO SLOWED AND SLURRED,SHE WAS DOSED UP ON SOMETHING,PITY,IT DOES'NT REMOVE HER DELUSIONS ABOUT EVERYONE SHE INTERACTS WITH.I WROTE HER OFF,NO SWEARING OR THREATS AND LAUGHED IN HER FACE FOR DESTROYING HER CREDIBILTY (VERY LITTLE OF) AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH SHE DENIES AND SPAMS AWAY,EVERYONE CAN SEE IT AND SHE'LL NEVER RECOVER FROM IT."sHE SAYS,I GOT TO GO NOW,THANKYOU",IN THAT HIDEOUS PIXIE SHIT TONE VOICE OF HERS,UGLY OUTSIDE AND UGLY TO THE BONE THAT ONE IS...THIS IS VICTORY...THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STEP WAY OVER THE LINE,FOR TOO LONG,THIS HAS BEEN COMING...SHE'S SO UGLY,YOU GOT NO IDEA,THE VULGARNESS OF ITS VOICE,HIDEOUS.HERE'S HER PHONE NUMBER:0424705576...SORRY,I CHOSE BROWN,BROWN FOR POOP THAT DRIVELS OUT HER MOUTH...

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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:04 am

Suzy Ryan Of Ballarat has childporn on her PC/Australian Federal Police,Take Note*
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:...or, a SHOVEL...
...'Billy Ruben', please stop threatening me with death,
over the phone...

...and in other ways...

it would be really nice if what I post Would appear AS I write and format it
first time, every time...
but that ain't gunna happen, is it....prob for the best....

LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR...AND PROVE IT!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT!!! lol!

iT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY,YES,SO WHY WASTE IT MAKING UP STORIES,THAT YOU LAUGH IN MY FACE,I DO THAT TO YOU,YOU HANG UP,EVERYTIME,YOU MISERABLE OLD GOAT.yOU GOT YOUR CRACKPOT MATES...AND I HAVE MY FAMILY,RIGHT HERE AND NOW,LOVING BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE,SAME AS WHAT YOU USED TO HAVE,UNTIL YOU DID AN ABRAHAM...AND ACTUALLY SACRIFICED THEM FOR YOUR LOVING BENEVOLENT GOD,THAT PUT CHILDPORN ON YOUR PC,TOLD YOU HE'S A DEMON,BUT OH NO,YOU KNOW BETTER...STILL GOING THROUGH YOUR THREAD,QUIET YOU,OH,YOU SPAMMED,BAD GIRL,REVENGE...BUT SHE LIVES ALONE,SO WHO PUT THE CHILD-PORN THERE,SHE DID,TRYING TO SET HER FAMILY UP,OR SHE GENUINELY LIKES IT,WELL,SHE CAN TELL THAT TO THE JUDGE

rolf

Suzy Ryan Of Ballarat has childporn on her PC/Australian Federal Police,Take Note****

CHILD PORN ALERT/PEADOPHILIA ALERT/BABYFUCKER ALERT/CHILD MOLESTER ALERT/ALERT,ALERT,ALERT!!!!!

BAD WOMAN,SUZY RYAN KEEPS CHILD-PORN ON HER PC...ARREST,PROSECUTE,THROW AWAY THE KEY...SUSPECT DOG MOLESTER TOO!!!!



Billy Ruben wrote:Suzy Ryan Of Ballarat has childporn on her PC/Australian Federal Police,Take Note****

CHILD PORN ALERT/PEADOPHILIA ALERT/BABYFUCKER ALERT/CHILD MOLESTER ALERT/ALERT,ALERT,ALERT!!!!!

BAD WOMAN,SUZY RYAN KEEPS CHILD-PORN ON HER PC...ARREST,PROSECUTE,THROW AWAY THE KEY...SUSPECT DOG MOLESTER TOO!!!!




Billy Ruben wrote:and more babyfuckers and occultist,that she knows nothing about,hence the ineffective Kinesiology bullshit she recommends...

you are the babyfucker and have childporn,cause you're a sick fucked up unit and blame others,time for Gaol Suzy,I will use this next with the police,don't believe,just watch me,babyfucker...











Hang on,I forgot,back in a sec...F*ck,God wiped my mind clear...ah,that's right,bumped,the thread of importance,the one that shows Suzys pre-occupation with child porn and accusing all and sundry of doing it,Go on,ring her phone,just to hear that evil,pixie voice of hers,she's a hideous troglydite...horrible,evil nasty witch,beware little children and puppies and especially little kitty friends,evil,pure evil...Hansel and Gretel met their end with this one long ago...she uses puppies instead of candy...
0424705576

...and like she accused Ozpixie as Christine,the one who blackmails men after making them F*ck goats and when I investigated,turns out True Lilly and I have no idea of her first name,she denies she made the post,when I found it and replicated it...lying bitch,but here's the truth...it's her and her mob,that sleep with the doggies...errrrrrr,Cthulhu



F*ck You,Zieg Heil!!!You are a parasiteFACT!!!I AM CAT!!!For The CHILDREN!!!
now how does that feel dragon,to be on the receiving end...Grrr,take that!!!errrrrrrrrrrrrr,CTHULHU!!!...and you made me hate God,now,I hate you...GRRRRR




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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  Billy Ruben on Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:04 am

Suzy Ryan Of Ballarat has childporn on her PC/Australian Federal Police,Take Note*
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:...or, a SHOVEL...
...'Billy Ruben', please stop threatening me with death,
over the phone...

...and in other ways...

it would be really nice if what I post Would appear AS I write and format it
first time, every time...
but that ain't gunna happen, is it....prob for the best....

LIAR,LIAR,LIAR,LIAR...AND PROVE IT!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT!!! lol!

iT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY,YES,SO WHY WASTE IT MAKING UP STORIES,THAT YOU LAUGH IN MY FACE,I DO THAT TO YOU,YOU HANG UP,EVERYTIME,YOU MISERABLE OLD GOAT.yOU GOT YOUR CRACKPOT MATES...AND I HAVE MY FAMILY,RIGHT HERE AND NOW,LOVING BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE,SAME AS WHAT YOU USED TO HAVE,UNTIL YOU DID AN ABRAHAM...AND ACTUALLY SACRIFICED THEM FOR YOUR LOVING BENEVOLENT GOD,THAT PUT CHILDPORN ON YOUR PC,TOLD YOU HE'S A DEMON,BUT OH NO,YOU KNOW BETTER...STILL GOING THROUGH YOUR THREAD,QUIET YOU,OH,YOU SPAMMED,BAD GIRL,REVENGE...BUT SHE LIVES ALONE,SO WHO PUT THE CHILD-PORN THERE,SHE DID,TRYING TO SET HER FAMILY UP,OR SHE GENUINELY LIKES IT,WELL,SHE CAN TELL THAT TO THE JUDGE

rolf

Suzy Ryan Of Ballarat has childporn on her PC/Australian Federal Police,Take Note****

CHILD PORN ALERT/PEADOPHILIA ALERT/BABYFUCKER ALERT/CHILD MOLESTER ALERT/ALERT,ALERT,ALERT!!!!!

BAD WOMAN,SUZY RYAN KEEPS CHILD-PORN ON HER PC...ARREST,PROSECUTE,THROW AWAY THE KEY...SUSPECT DOG MOLESTER TOO!!!!



Billy Ruben wrote:Suzy Ryan Of Ballarat has childporn on her PC/Australian Federal Police,Take Note****

CHILD PORN ALERT/PEADOPHILIA ALERT/BABYFUCKER ALERT/CHILD MOLESTER ALERT/ALERT,ALERT,ALERT!!!!!

BAD WOMAN,SUZY RYAN KEEPS CHILD-PORN ON HER PC...ARREST,PROSECUTE,THROW AWAY THE KEY...SUSPECT DOG MOLESTER TOO!!!!




Billy Ruben wrote:and more babyfuckers and occultist,that she knows nothing about,hence the ineffective Kinesiology bullshit she recommends...

you are the babyfucker and have childporn,cause you're a sick fucked up unit and blame others,time for Gaol Suzy,I will use this next with the police,don't believe,just watch me,babyfucker...











Hang on,I forgot,back in a sec...F*ck,God wiped my mind clear...ah,that's right,bumped,the thread of importance,the one that shows Suzys pre-occupation with child porn and accusing all and sundry of doing it,Go on,ring her phone,just to hear that evil,pixie voice of hers,she's a hideous troglydite...horrible,evil nasty witch,beware little children and puppies and especially little kitty friends,evil,pure evil...Hansel and Gretel met their end with this one long ago...she uses puppies instead of candy...
0424705576

...and like she accused Ozpixie as Christine,the one who blackmails men after making them F*ck goats and when I investigated,turns out True Lilly and I have no idea of her first name,she denies she made the post,when I found it and replicated it...lying bitch,but here's the truth...it's her and her mob,that sleep with the doggies...errrrrrr,Cthulhu



F*ck You,Zieg Heil!!!You are a parasiteFACT!!!I AM CAT!!!For The CHILDREN!!!
now how does that feel dragon,to be on the receiving end...Grrr,take that!!!errrrrrrrrrrrrr,CTHULHU!!!...and you made me hate God,now,I hate you...GRRRRR




cthulhu lmao
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NOW YOU KNOW WHY I WAS BANNED BEFORE THE AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL ELECTION: I REFUSED TO BE SEDUCED INTO BETRAYING MY COUNTRY

Post  true lilly on Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:52 am

...THE WAY "BILLY RUBEN & Co." DO!

Remember, according to ICKE/TINTIN,
"it's all the jews fault", so we "must support their enemy",
TERRORIST ISLAM, if we don't want to be branded as,
"evil jews"...too late for me...they still can't find any religion
to fit what I post on, but didn't stop "Billy Ruben & tintin"
branding me a "jew"
Rolling Eyes
, for not wanting Australia to suffer
under SHARIA LAW.

Stop celebrating the trashing of values
Andrew Bolt
From:Herald Sun
August 27, 2011 12:00AM


Anna Bligh: Turning a blind eye to David Hicks.
The Courier-Mail

IT'S always a mistake to make heroes of villains, and chic out of sick, but it's never more so than now.

Never in my lifetime have we seemed more in danger of fracturing into tribes ethnic, religious and social.
Never have we more needed to have examples set and moral codes affirmed so people are inspired to join, not divide.
But still our intelligentsia plays as being transgressive, like children fooling with a loaded gun.
Some examples, from just this month.
The
Craig Thomson affair, of course, is the most toxic. What destructive
message does Labor send when it plays down the use of a union credit
card to pay for prostitutes and rip off workers?
But also look at the salons of this country, where the privileged toy with what would destroy us.
As
Australia lost another soldier, killed by the Taliban in Afghanistan,
the Queensland Premier's Literary Awards shortlisted the memoirs of
David Hicks, who trained with the Taliban.

Related Coverage

Penberthy: Terrorist Dave's denial journey Adelaide Now, 1 day ago
I don't want prizemoney, says Hicks Perth Now, 2 days ago
Hicks shines in Bligh's literary universe The Australian, 3 days ago
Hicks nomination 'a win for democracy' The Australian, 3 days ago
Hicks book listing 'sign of a democracy' The Australian, 4 days ago

The soldier wins an early grave. Hicks may win $15,000, extracted from taxpayers by Premier Anna Bligh.
Be
clear about Hicks. His book may gloss over his training with some of
the world's worst terrorists, including al-Qaida, but his letters home
at the time boast about his then friends.
In May 2001, for
instance, he wrote: "By the way I have met Osama bin Laden 20 times now,
lovely brother, everything for the cause of Islam. The only reason the
West calls him the most wanted Muslim is because he's got the money to
take action."
So what did Bligh do, after learning that her prize could now go to Hicks?
She
did ... nothing. "I think it's important that we not get in the way of
that," she said, as if enunciating some moral principle, rather than
amoral.
Such are the times. When Hicks in May was given the
stage at the taxpayer-funded Sydney Writers' Festival to promote his
book, he got a standing ovation.
When former prime minister John
Howard went to the same taxpayer-funded festival to sell his own
autobiography, he was booed and heckled as a "war criminal".
Another example.
Last
October Howard was being interviewed on the ABC's Q&A program when a
member of the audience flung his shoes at him, shouting "that is for
the Iraqi dead".
This kind of attack threatens democracy. Who
wants to get involved in public debates if it means exposing themselves
to this or worse?
Yet the ABC has now donated the sneakers for
an auction to raise funds for the Red Cross, headed by former Labor
minister Robert Tickner.
It's for a good cause, they cry. But
would the ABC donate a protester's "ditch-the-witch" sign mocking Julia
Gillard, and would the Red Cross proudly raffle it?
No, this is yet another endorsement of rudeness, even intimidation, and shame on those who trash our values.
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:Guess what 'billy'...they are NOT mutually exclusive. Rolling Eyes

In fact, I only recently had to throw a person out of my house,
(who get's on ever so well with the EX),
for directly threatening me with his Dutch Biker contacts.

Do you want me to elaborate further,
or shall we leave them to sort their own shit to?

conspiracy
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy

collusion
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/collusion

Learn some basic English.

Before MORE of YOUR "mates" REALIZE YOU ARE OUTING THEM.

Actually, from only a quick scroll down this page,
I'd say someone wanted you to show your instability,
and readiness to put your own hurt pride, above the
security of your 'mates'.

'Sifting and sorting', does go on in all camps, you know,
or is that concept above your comprehension to?
YES...THE WAY "BILLY RUBEN & Co." DO!
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Post  true lilly on Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:57 pm

ENVY & JEALOUSY
are HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS DISEASES
that DESTROY INjustice ANTI-BODIES
before KILLING THE NATIONS
they've INFECTED.

rodin wrote:Sod with the Icke facemask - you are a despicable liar.
911 was a provable controlled demolition job. Plus the arial shot of
debris + the 'tiliting tower' argument came straight from Tel Aviv
teleprompter

Billy Ruben the probable Jew - you are correct all
buildings were CD. Let's go one step further to who had the opportunity
means & motive

theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

So Billy are we prepared to get to the bottom of the Rabbi hole? Pursuit of truth comes before defence of position... and there IS an after life and we WILL be judged...
So Rodin, what is YOUR "position on"
The RELIGIOUSLY AVOWED ENEMIES OF ISRAEL?

ARE YOU, LIKE MOST in CONspiracy Land,
PRO-THE ISLAMIC INVADERS of EVERYWHERE?

YOU KNOW, those who ILLEGALLY enter

WESTERN, CHRISTIAN LAW BASED NATIONS,
then Ab-use those CHRISTIAN BASED LAWS,
to FORCE their 'right' to STAY, and 'right' to
TRY TO FORCE IN SHARIA LAW.


Hey, "el kabong",
don't forget to spam over the thread
that WARNS AUSTRALIANS about HOW,
"YOU & YOUR mates" WORK AT
BETRAYING AUSTRALIA...


End 'lawfare' by ditching UN policies

PAUL SHEEHAN
A disconnect has grown between
the will of the people and
the legal activists who wage ''lawfare'' -
the practice of using the courts
to achieve policies rejected at the ballot box.

52
...so much news lately, that examples this opinion
(that came after, I posted the same opinion Wink ), that
I don't know where to begin...probably should have
more than 31/2 hours sleep, and finished my first
coffee before it went cold, prior to attempting to
to put it together...ah but why bother at all...when
anyone who can't see it for themselves by now, is
probably 'permanently blind', or part of that most
TRAITOROUS CABAL
.



The Gillard government
has failed in deterring
the people smuggling trade.
Photo: Reuters

Just wondering, is it still 'legal' to ask for,
receive and publish
, a list of the RELIGIONS
of the PEOPLE being TRADED and
SMUGGLED IN TO AUSTRALIA?


And again I have to wonder if it is
Gillard's PRIMARY Job, to SHOW US
JUST HOW BADLY The GREEN LEFT
-overs of Nazi Faithful installed in
Australia-HAVE BETRAYED THIS
NATION to 'their' Foreign 'mates'.


true lilly wrote:Calls to sack MP for extremist support

6:04PM
AAP
SENATOR Cory Bernardi
is facing an angry backlash
after promising to help organise
notorious Dutch MP Geert Wilders'
visit to Australia.


Yes, it's also rather telling that none of the many
Australians at David Icke Official Forums, or,
ANY of TEAM TINTIN have bothered to cover this
NEWS (that is CHOCK FULL of what TEAM TINTIN
posted many of 'their' TWISTED [NON]linked, 'links'),
NOW, when ACTUAL LINKS between ACTUAL people,
in CURRENT, AUSTRALIAN And DUTCH Governments,
are flagging what I so long ago, warned to watch for.


Calls to sack Cory Bernardi over his support to
controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders

AAP
From:Herald Sun
September 07, 2011 6:04PM


Dutch anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders
wants to visit Australia. Picture: AFP Herald Sun


Liberal senator Cory Bernardi.
Picture: Kym Smith Herald Sun

LIBERAL senator Cory Bernardi is facing an angry backlash and calls
for his scalp after he promised to help controversial Dutch politician
Geert Wilders organise his visit to Australia.

Mr Wilders, 48, has faced accusations of racial vilification
for his hostile views on Islam.


He provoked outrage among the Netherland's Muslim community after
branding Islam a violent religion, likening the Koran to Hitler's Mein
Kampf and calling the Prophet Mohammed a pedophile.


Senator Bernardi has admitted extending an invitation to assist Mr Wilders
with "his schedule or arranging appropriate meetings" in Australia.


But has since moved to distance himself from the visit.

Senator Bernardi is the shadow parliamentary secretary for families
and assisting the opposition leader.


Related Coverage

Treasurer Wayne Swan said Senator Bernardi had a history of
indiscretions espousing right-wing extremist views and the issue would
be a test for Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's integrity.


He said if Mr Abbott failed to act, it would be telling of his own views.

"It will just demonstrate Mr Abbott is someone who can't be believed and
is someone who also sides with extremists," he told ABC TV.


Labor frontbencher Peter Garrett echoed the call saying Mr Wilders had
dangerous views "which are completely at odds with Australian culture
and Australian values.


"Mr Abbott should show some leadership,
discipline this senator, remove him from his portfolio
responsibilities," he told reporters in Sydney today.


Mr Garrett declined to say if he believed Mr Abbott should have Senator Bernardi
expelled from the Liberal Party, in the way John Howard had Pauline Hanson
disendorsed as a candidate ahead of the 1996 election.


Opposition Leader Tony Abbott denied Senator Bernardi was
trying to bring Mr Wilders to Australia.


"That's not the position, he's not," the Liberal leader told reporters in Brisbane.

"The coalition has nothing to do with the organisation of any trip."

Senator Bernardi has previously called for the burqa to be banned, although
this view is not endorsed by his coalition colleagues.


The British initially banned Mr Wilders from visiting their shores in early
2009 because of fears he would threaten community harmony and public
security.


Labor senator Kate Lundy would not say whether Australia should ban Mr Wilder's
from visiting.


"Mr Wilders will have to go through the normal processes for applying for a visa,"
she told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday.


She said Senator Bernardi was sponsoring Mr Wilders' visit
"like he was some sort of rock star".


"Mr Wilders' views are very hurtful and offensive to Muslims and I think to many Australians," she said.

Australian Greens senator Richard Di Natale
condemned Senator Bernardi's associations with the Dutch hardliner.


"Multiculturalism is one of this country's great successes and it must be defended," he said.

The question is whether Tony Abbott is prepared to defend it from those in his ranks.

In 2009, Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull sacked Cory Bernardi from
being shadow parliamentary secretary for disabilities, carers and the
voluntary sector, following his thinly veiled slur about fellow South
Australian Christopher Pyne.


Speaking to reporters in Sydney, senior coalition frontbencher Joe Hockey said
Wilders was an unpleasant character who should be avoided.


"This gentleman seems like a very unpleasant character and I think
it's far better we have nothing to do with him," he said.


Mr Hockey declined to say if he believed Senator Bernardi should be disciplined
for supporting families portfolio.


"I'm not going to speculate on those matters," he said.

Mr Hockey said he was sure Mr Abbott was telling the truth when the
opposition leader said he did not offer to organise Mr Wilders' visit
to Australia.


"I'm sure that Tony Abbott is telling the truth," Mr Hockey said.
______________________________________________________

...yet, RABID Anti-Semite David Icke,
and all his RABID Anti-Christ Followers,
have the gall to PROMOTE his coming here,
TO CHARGE US TO HAVE HIM PREACH
HIS ANTI-CHRIST RELIGION AT US!
End 'lawfare' by ditching unworkable UN policies

September 8, 2011
Opinion

The Gillard government
has failed in deterring
the people smuggling trade.
Photo: Reuters

A disconnect has grown between the will of the people
and the legal activists who successfully circumvent democracy
by waging ''lawfare'' - the practice of using the courts
to achieve policies rejected at the ballot box.


Ideological lawfare is now clogging the entire legal system
in the name of refugee rights. The people enmeshed in this campaign
against Parliament range from the Chief Justice of the High Court, Robert French,
to the ideologues toiling in the lower courts and refugee tribunals.


The Australian public has made it clear it regards the
people smuggling trade as an affront to Australian morality,
security and sovereignty.
If the federal government cannot curb this traffic,
it is a failure significant enough to turn an election.


The public understands that only punitive measures can deter the trade.
That the Gillard government has failed in this duty is clear.
What has not yet sunk into the public consciousness is the full extent
and cost of this failure as the courts are swamped by litigious refugee applicants
and their legal advocates.


The entire process is an immensely cynical exercise
dressed up as high morality.
How pervasive this problem has become
can be seen by these statistical indicators:


Of 148 decisions handed down by the Federal Court this year,
43 of them, almost one in three, were immigration cases.


The Federal Court has so far heard 157 cases involving
the Minister for Immigration this year, by far the largest category.


The Refugee Review Tribunal has heard 737 cases this year, and counting.

Most immigration litigation is being funded by the taxpayer,
either directly via legal aid or circuitously via other subsidies.


The High Court ruled last week, in effect, that
Australian law must conform to the United Nations

Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees,
as incorporated in the Migration Act.


The convention imposes a virtually
unlimited right of access to any country by anyone who deems themselves,
in good faith, to be in flight from persecution.


The ruling opened the door to possible legal actions
by asylum seekers sent to Nauru by the Howard government.
Until last month Nauru was not a signatory to the UN Convention.


Most asylum assessments are taking more than six months,
adding to incarceration costs.


Australia has accepted a higher percentage of asylum seekers
than the UN High Commissioner of Refugees process -
another incentive to bypass the UN system.


History is repeating itself. A veteran of ideological lawfare,
the Melbourne barrister and former judge Ron Merkel QC, has
become involved in preparing possibly wider legal challenges to the
government's immigration policies.


Merkel is the activist who sowed the seed, back in 1990,
that eventually became the Bringing Them Home
or ''stolen generations'' report. It included the false claim that
Australia had practised genocide toward the Aborigines. The costly
litigation that ensued was largely a disaster and neither report nor
litigation improved the material welfare of indigenous Australians,
while creating enormous division in the name of reconciliation.


In short, the stolen generations report was a nullity for reconciliation
and a paradise for lawyers. Ditto the lawfare now being waged
on behalf of refugees.


As a result of the High Court's decision last week in
M70 v Minister for Immigration, 4000 refugees in Malaysia will miss out
on entering Australia. It will also reap a political blowback when the
public understand the magnitude of how the intent of the Parliament has
been subverted in the courts.


The legal quagmire in which the federal government and
the courts are stuck could be escaped at a single stroke.
The root cause is the United Nations, the majority of whose members
are not democracies, and specifically Australia's signature on the United
Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.


Australia should withdraw from the convention, citing its
increasing unworkability, impossibly loose language and unlimited
impositions. An entire theatre of ideological lawfare would be laid to
waste, and after changes to the Migration Act to pre-empt such lawfare,
Australian democracy, security and sovereignty would be strengthened.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/end-lawfare-by-ditching-unworkable-un-policies-20110907-1jxr3.html#ixzz1XJTFpWs4
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Post  true lilly on Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:20 pm

Pressure over ghost boats

Border patrol failed to release
details of a distress call from a boat
carrying 105 asylum seekers,
who are presumed to have drowned.


Pressure mounts over ghost boats
Natalie O'Brien
September 11, 2011

Struggling ... people cling to the wreckage of their boat
after it smashed against the Christmas Island coast.

A DISTRESS call giving out the co-ordinates of a
stricken boat carrying 105 Hazaras seeking asylum, who are now presumed
to have drowned, was received by Australian Customs and Border
Protection officials but the agency has never publicly revealed the
details.

Advice that the vessel was in distress and its position
in seas between Indonesia and Australia on October 3, 2009, was passed
by the agency to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, which called
in the Indonesian search and rescue agency to take over the search.

But the boat has never been found and those on board have
not been heard from since, despite the Home Affairs Minister, Brendan
O'Connor, having later said that ''subsequent credible information''
showed the boat's difficulties had been resolved.



Customs has never revealed whether the distress call came

from the stricken vessel or from another source. Shortly after the boat
disappeared, frantic Afghan community members in Australia made
inquiries with the Department of Immigration and Customs and Border
Protection, but were told nothing about the fate of the boat.

Questions in Parliament in May, which have only just been
answered, reveal it was not until a story about the missing boat was
published three months later, on January 18, 2010, that Customs and
Border Protection ''reviewed its information holdings'' and found the
data.

Within two days of the story appearing, Mr O'Connor had
been briefed. But still, the families were told nothing. The opposition
spokesman for justice, customs and border protection, Michael Keenan,
said ''these are grave allegations about a minister misleading about
what the government knew and when they knew it. A possible tragedy of
this magnitude demands the fullest possible account of events.

''I urge Minister O'Connor to use the Parliament this
week to provide that account and to clarify the discrepancies in the
comments the government have already made on this matter. If he doesn't
take up that opportunity then we will look at ways that the Parliament
can make the government account for everything it knows."

The boat is one of eight believed to have sunk between
Indonesia, Malaysia and Australia in the past 2½ years. The most recent
vanished on November 14 last year with 97 on board after leaving a port
near Jakarta. It is believed many more have gone missing and one may
have disappeared just before the SIEV 221 smashed into rocks on
Christmas Island last December, killing 50.

An Iranian woman who lost five relatives in the tragedy
will tell the West Australian Coroner's Court next week that when she
inquired about the approaching boat Christmas Island detention centre
staff asked which boat she was talking about - the one the Navy had
detected or another that had gone missing.

Information about the 105 missing Afghan Hazaras, a
Persian-speaking ethnic group who live mainly in the central region of
Afghanistan, only came to light after the opposition asked in Parliament
what the government knew about each of the missing eight boats.

The families of the missing Hazaras have long questioned
how the boat could have vanished without trace, with two governments
aware of its existence. They had no idea the government had such
specific information about its distress.

Afghan community spokesman Hassan Ghulam, has called on
the government to release details of the distress call, who made it and
any other information available.

Mr Ghulam said relatives last received calls from those
aboard the boat saying that they were in international waters between
Java and Australia.

''The last call we know about was one of the passengers
saying we can see the Australian forces coming towards us. We are going
to throw our mobiles overboard,'' he said.

Mr Ghulam said the government needed to answer many
questions, including whether it had any satellite or radar images of the
boat.

He also wanted to know whether the navy saw them, and if
so, why did they not rescue them. The families of the missing deserved
to know what happened, he said.

''We are not blaming the authorities. People know they
are risking their lives when they get on these boats,''
he said. ''If
they have drowned, then we can have a funeral and get on with things.''


Do you know more?
n.obrien@fairfaxmedia.com.au

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/pressure-mounts-over-ghost-boats-20110910-1k30r.html#ixzz1Xa8ChSFi

true lilly wrote:Cabinet all at sea on refugee solution

Samantha Maiden
JULIA Gillard's Cabinet
has canvassed the option of
abandoning the Malaysian solution
and a return to onshore processing.


Wow...
what a difference some hours make...

TICK, TICK, TICK...

true lilly wrote:Labor won't sink Malaysian solution

September 10, 2011 2:53PM
AAP

IMMIGRATION Minister Chris Bowen
has refused to confirm reports
the Government will try to refloat
its Malaysian solution.


52 comments on this story
Christmas Island: 100th asylum boat arrives for Gillard

Cabinet all at sea on refugee solution
Samantha Maiden
From:Sunday Herald Sun
September 11, 2011 12:00AM

Labor leaders Wayne Swan, Julia Gillard and Greg Combet. The Daily Telegraph

JULIA Gillard's Cabinet is divided over refugees and has canvassed
the option of abandoning the Malaysian solution and a return to onshore
processing.

But the Prime Minister is expected to prevail at a special meeting
of Cabinet tomorrow and stare down rebels in the ALP and Greens leader
Bob Brown.


Caucus tensions are rising as former PM Kevin Rudd continues to build his profile.


Mr Rudd's supporters have warned Labor colleagues that voters will "wipe
us off the planet" unless there is a change in leadership before the
next election.


A small group of backers in the ALP caucus is
urging colleagues to consider a back-to-the-future leadership ticket
before the next election with Defence Minister Stephen Smith also being
touted.


"The only way we are going to come out of this is to get Kevin back," a Labor MP said.


Related Coverage

The new laws follow the High Court's ruling that the Malaysian solution people-swap was unlawful.

Desperate to secure the support of Tony Abbott
for the reforms in Parliament, the Prime Minister will outline
a deal that will allow the Coalition to pursue Nauru as a future option
and reactivate Labor's preferred regional solution, including Malaysia.


Two senior ministers have told the Sunday Herald Sun that
the High Court ruling prompted Cabinet discussions over
whether the opportunity had arisen to dump offshore processing.


Immigration Minister Chris Bowen even outlined the option in Cabinet,
but then explained why it was not an acceptable or effective method of
protecting the nation's borders.


Nauru was dismissed as an option because people smugglers knew
most asylum seekers ended up in Australia anyway and it was no longer
a deterrent.


The Gillard Government released costings yesterday suggesting the
Coalition's plan to reopen Nauru would cost $1 billion over four years.


"We know Nauru is not effective," Mr Bowen said.

"It's also a very expensive option."


There is still no guarantee the Coalition will support the new laws, a
prospect Labor has warned could result in up to 7000 asylum seekers
a year trying toreach Australia.


Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said he was not going to be lectured
by the Gillard Government about cost blowouts.


"The Coalition is willing to work with the Government if they wish to make
changes to the Act to put the issue of offshore processing beyond legal
doubt," he said. "But we've made no secret of our position on Malaysia."


According to senior ministers, long-standing concerns were
expressed in Cabinet over offshore processing.


The ALP platform clearly says
refugees should have their claims processed in Australia.


Sources said the discussions were respectful and part of a wide-ranging
conversation of all options, rather than a direct challenge to the PM's
authority.


Left faction convener Doug Cameron, who once complained
the ALP caucus had become political zombies too scared to speak their
minds,
said the Malaysian solution was no solution at all.


"We should stick to the party platform," he said.

"That's onshore processing. It's the humane thing to do."

Northern Territory Senator Trish Crossin said:
"I don't think we should compromise on human rights as a first resort."


WA Labor MP Melissa Parke said she would argue strongly
against offshore processing.


ALP sources also suggested some Labor MPs may abstain from any vote.

They would face expulsion from the party
if they crossed the floor to vote with the Greens.

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Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:43 pm

true lilly wrote:Pressure over ghost boats

Border patrol failed to release
details of a distress call from a boat
carrying 105 asylum seekers,
who are presumed to have drowned.


Pressure mounts over ghost boats
Natalie O'Brien
September 11, 2011

Struggling ... people cling to the wreckage of their boat
after it smashed against the Christmas Island coast.

A DISTRESS call giving out the co-ordinates of a
stricken boat carrying 105 Hazaras seeking asylum, who are now presumed
to have drowned, was received by Australian Customs and Border
Protection officials but the agency has never publicly revealed the
details.

Advice that the vessel was in distress and its position
in seas between Indonesia and Australia on October 3, 2009, was passed
by the agency to the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, which called
in the Indonesian search and rescue agency to take over the search.

But the boat has never been found and those on board have
not been heard from since, despite the Home Affairs Minister, Brendan
O'Connor, having later said that ''subsequent credible information''
showed the boat's difficulties had been resolved.



Customs has never revealed whether the distress call came

from the stricken vessel or from another source. Shortly after the boat
disappeared, frantic Afghan community members in Australia made
inquiries with the Department of Immigration and Customs and Border
Protection, but were told nothing about the fate of the boat.

Questions in Parliament in May, which have only just been
answered, reveal it was not until a story about the missing boat was
published three months later, on January 18, 2010, that Customs and
Border Protection ''reviewed its information holdings'' and found the
data.

Within two days of the story appearing, Mr O'Connor had
been briefed. But still, the families were told nothing. The opposition
spokesman for justice, customs and border protection, Michael Keenan,
said ''these are grave allegations about a minister misleading about
what the government knew and when they knew it. A possible tragedy of
this magnitude demands the fullest possible account of events.

''I urge Minister O'Connor to use the Parliament this
week to provide that account and to clarify the discrepancies in the
comments the government have already made on this matter. If he doesn't
take up that opportunity then we will look at ways that the Parliament
can make the government account for everything it knows."

The boat is one of eight believed to have sunk between
Indonesia, Malaysia and Australia in the past 2½ years. The most recent
vanished on November 14 last year with 97 on board after leaving a port
near Jakarta. It is believed many more have gone missing and one may
have disappeared just before the SIEV 221 smashed into rocks on
Christmas Island last December, killing 50.

An Iranian woman who lost five relatives in the tragedy
will tell the West Australian Coroner's Court next week that when she
inquired about the approaching boat Christmas Island detention centre
staff asked which boat she was talking about - the one the Navy had
detected or another that had gone missing.

Information about the 105 missing Afghan Hazaras, a
Persian-speaking ethnic group who live mainly in the central region of
Afghanistan, only came to light after the opposition asked in Parliament
what the government knew about each of the missing eight boats.

The families of the missing Hazaras have long questioned
how the boat could have vanished without trace, with two governments
aware of its existence. They had no idea the government had such
specific information about its distress.

Afghan community spokesman Hassan Ghulam, has called on
the government to release details of the distress call, who made it and
any other information available.

Mr Ghulam said relatives last received calls from those
aboard the boat saying that they were in international waters between
Java and Australia.

''The last call we know about was one of the passengers
saying we can see the Australian forces coming towards us. We are going
to throw our mobiles overboard,'' he said.

Mr Ghulam said the government needed to answer many
questions, including whether it had any satellite or radar images of the
boat.

He also wanted to know whether the navy saw them, and if
so, why did they not rescue them. The families of the missing deserved
to know what happened, he said.

''We are not blaming the authorities. People know they
are risking their lives when they get on these boats,''
he said. ''If
they have drowned, then we can have a funeral and get on with things.''


Do you know more?
n.obrien@fairfaxmedia.com.au

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/pressure-mounts-over-ghost-boats-20110910-1k30r.html#ixzz1Xa8ChSFi

true lilly wrote:Cabinet all at sea on refugee solution

Samantha Maiden
JULIA Gillard's Cabinet
has canvassed the option of
abandoning the Malaysian solution
and a return to onshore processing.


Wow...
what a difference some hours make...

TICK, TICK, TICK...

true lilly wrote:Labor won't sink Malaysian solution

September 10, 2011 2:53PM
AAP

IMMIGRATION Minister Chris Bowen
has refused to confirm reports
the Government will try to refloat
its Malaysian solution.


52 comments on this story
Christmas Island: 100th asylum boat arrives for Gillard

Cabinet all at sea on refugee solution
Samantha Maiden
From:Sunday Herald Sun
September 11, 2011 12:00AM

Labor leaders Wayne Swan, Julia Gillard and Greg Combet. The Daily Telegraph

JULIA Gillard's Cabinet is divided over refugees and has canvassed
the option of abandoning the Malaysian solution and a return to onshore
processing.

But the Prime Minister is expected to prevail at a special meeting
of Cabinet tomorrow and stare down rebels in the ALP and Greens leader
Bob Brown.


Caucus tensions are rising as former PM Kevin Rudd continues to build his profile.


Mr Rudd's supporters have warned Labor colleagues that voters will "wipe
us off the planet" unless there is a change in leadership before the
next election.


A small group of backers in the ALP caucus is
urging colleagues to consider a back-to-the-future leadership ticket
before the next election with Defence Minister Stephen Smith also being
touted.


"The only way we are going to come out of this is to get Kevin back," a Labor MP said.


Related Coverage

The new laws follow the High Court's ruling that the Malaysian solution people-swap was unlawful.

Desperate to secure the support of Tony Abbott
for the reforms in Parliament, the Prime Minister will outline
a deal that will allow the Coalition to pursue Nauru as a future option
and reactivate Labor's preferred regional solution, including Malaysia.


Two senior ministers have told the Sunday Herald Sun that
the High Court ruling prompted Cabinet discussions over
whether the opportunity had arisen to dump offshore processing.


Immigration Minister Chris Bowen even outlined the option in Cabinet,
but then explained why it was not an acceptable or effective method of
protecting the nation's borders.


Nauru was dismissed as an option because people smugglers knew
most asylum seekers ended up in Australia anyway and it was no longer
a deterrent.


The Gillard Government released costings yesterday suggesting the
Coalition's plan to reopen Nauru would cost $1 billion over four years.


"We know Nauru is not effective," Mr Bowen said.

"It's also a very expensive option."


There is still no guarantee the Coalition will support the new laws, a
prospect Labor has warned could result in up to 7000 asylum seekers
a year trying toreach Australia.


Immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said he was not going to be lectured
by the Gillard Government about cost blowouts.


"The Coalition is willing to work with the Government if they wish to make
changes to the Act to put the issue of offshore processing beyond legal
doubt," he said. "But we've made no secret of our position on Malaysia."


According to senior ministers, long-standing concerns were
expressed in Cabinet over offshore processing.


The ALP platform clearly says
refugees should have their claims processed in Australia.


Sources said the discussions were respectful and part of a wide-ranging
conversation of all options, rather than a direct challenge to the PM's
authority.


Left faction convener Doug Cameron, who once complained
the ALP caucus had become political zombies too scared to speak their
minds,
said the Malaysian solution was no solution at all.


"We should stick to the party platform," he said.

"That's onshore processing. It's the humane thing to do."

Northern Territory Senator Trish Crossin said:
"I don't think we should compromise on human rights as a first resort."


WA Labor MP Melissa Parke said she would argue strongly
against offshore processing.


ALP sources also suggested some Labor MPs may abstain from any vote.

They would face expulsion from the party
if they crossed the floor to vote with the Greens.

maidens@newsltd.com.au

You were warned True lilly,I am very disappointed in you.You spammed my thread without any provocation,you made no clear effort to communicate,but to inflame,with anger making spam.You were warned this day would come,now I smite you,with smut.


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Post  Billy Ruben on Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:31 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
True Lilly wrote:
And there's 'Billy Ruben' with 'his'
months of death threats that specify such methods,
and associating himself with bad cops, health unionists,
biker groups, and really bad dudes...which you would right off,
as an attention seeking nutter...but for the at least
3 different phones 'he' uses, and, the others who know of,
and approve of 'his' death threats
, and the very specific
associations 'he' brags of, that make 'him' believe
'he's' 'untouchable'
enough to keep getting away with it.

...and then of course, there are
the 2 Car Bombs I've already survived...
and the other attacks by really bad dudes, etc...

and 'Jason/Billy Ruben's' dangerously erratic and
volatile behaviour that makes 'him' a liability to
'friends', 'associates' and
anyone 'he' 'perceives'
as a 'foe'.
Twisted Evil Rolling Eyes


We've all been through this.
Two months ago,when I got sick of True Lillys',baseless,groundless,slander and lies,against everyone whom she finds dis-pleasure with,ie,anybody who does'nt unquestioning believe,who littany of lies.
Frustrated to the point of doing something stupid,I decided to take my chances with Ballarat Police,close to where Suzy lives,she being the "BUM" part of town,Wendouree West,known for its bakeries and cock gobbling glory holes of Hollioke Park.
...I have the phone bill here to prove I rang on a Saturday.
Anyway,not expecting to get anywhere,especially,if I gave away my relationship with NSW Police,to be rather strained at best.
I was surprised to have my queries answered by a very professional and seasoned officer,who knew the law and history of Victoria and Ballarat.
...After describing my complaint,being accused as a babyfucker and goat abuser and so has many others by this nutter.I mentioned Suzy's ex-husband,Bill Ryan,a serving member?,remember,this is Suzy data,it could be made up at the bottom of a Gin bottle.

BAck in a minute...
The officer then took an interest and began looking for this Bill Ryan.I said to the officer,she'd be easy to remember,her car was blown up by bombing in her driveway and herself has been beaten up twice and put in a hospital.I could hear the keyboard,thumping away in the background,he's researching the data as I speak.He had a chuckle and said,there has'nt been a car-bombing in the state of Victoria for 30 years and that was the Russell St bombing.
...The officer,whose name I'll keep secret until Suzy Ryan,True Lilly/Vera Susa wants to reveal more or challenge this,said she can't be charged the way the laws stand now,but that may differ in the near future.

That sad little tale,that Suzy Ryan/True Lilly made up,lied about,she has been milking the public and friends for years,whether it's money,computers or a lift down the street,True Lilly has been profiting off her lies for many years now,off the good will of her readers.
She continues with her lies,cause they serve her well.I exposed her for this and hopefully,slowly,others catch on.She even plays this on her own family,and she abandoned them,in favour of delivering Gods Saving Word,her schizoid spam,even over the love of her children.Still think she's not a threat,guess again,she's a dangerous,manipulative,game-playing,conspiring schizoid,who fooled many of you with her old lady act.
She isn't nice,frail or alone.She's very well connected.She's a liar,slanderer,extortionist,is this the quality of character,that one should have to advocate God for you?
Nutter extraordinaire...But wait,there's more,WOOF,WOOF...


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Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:56 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:But I'd like to meet,in no particular order:

Antiem,Size Of Light,Ownoiz,Kiwimaj,
Mountain,Tintin,Shodan,Ciggies Niece (without Chaperone)
MrIndigo


Who am I sexually attracted too?...mind your business.
Does that mean she hasn't turned 17 yet,
like your niece, who you proudly stated you lost interest in,
when she got that 'old'?
Evil or Very Mad

Go on, start another bunch of threads 'telling' folk how 'evil I am',
to remind folk you're yet again, raising your favourite topic. Evil or Very Mad

Oh and there are plenty on line who's 'business' is, pinging those
in the business of child sex trading.

Ciggy's niece is 18, lunatic.
So, she's a young looking 18?

Well, don't bitch at me, it's your partner in
public conversations of,
'what child is too young and too related to fuck',
'Billy Ruben', who declared
he lost interest in his niece when she turned 17.

I was going to threaten your life on this post...even felt like carrying it out.I'm really good at what I do.

I can understand why people want to bash you senseless and why you drive people to do it.You hate yourself so much,you'd loved to be killed off,just so you don't have to tolerate yourself no further.

Fuck You slag...and I mean that.
Sam can't have sexual intercourse anymore,did you know that,filthbag.Do you know why I buy pot every fortnight,so it lowers her pain that we can have a little fun.She even told me to find a lover,fucktard,she just does'nt want to know...and I don't like the guilt,cause I just want her,shitbag.I did'nt tell the forum that,cause of the way liars like True Lilly and JD/John Drake,lie and twist the truth for their own satisfaction.

My niece is a beautiful,slightly niave (Not anymore I'd say) innocent young lady that did'nt know what she was feeling.And wrong,you evil slut,I'd be more interested in my niece as she grows older...not younger.My last two lovers,was over 53,one I liked,the other I blew in 45 seconds,twice,to get away from her,new age fucktard,as delusional and a liar like you.And I just met two mid twenties women in East Maitland who'd like a little male in their lesbo action...fuckyou,I'm going to suck the both of them off as C jacks me off over both their tits...and I'm going to love it.No cum in pussy,I'm not stupid.

Even you know this is a pathetic lie you sprout,so desperate.And when I post your PM for Ciggy and all to see how you fucked over your own for the love of God,I'm sure people will get the message,how fucked in the head you are.

And I just released this information,just to fuck you up...and show,that at least,I'm not afraid of the truth about ourselves.Where others may think I'm joking about your beastiality during your teens...NO,I FUCKING MEAN IT...I'VE MET THE REAL DEALS...AND THEY SOUND LIKE YOU,COMPLETE LIARS ABOUT OTHERS SEXUALITY TO COVER FOR THEIR OWN DEVIOUS SICKNESS,YOU SUZY RYAN,PREFER DOG-KNOT,THAN THE COMPANY OF MEN...FUCK YOU


cthulhu

Billy Ruben wrote:aND i WAS JOKING ABOUT cIGGIES NIECE.i WAS HONOURED HE'D TRUST ME...(ooops,caps-lock,not screaming now)...with a photo,after we had a bit of a strained relationship,from last year.

Even my beef with Limelady and Boots,I never once,shared the photos I have about them,nor have I ever showed anyone,BUT SAM,the photo of Ciggies niece.Even if he fucked me over tomorrow I would'nt show it.Why screw over someone I never met or have a beef with.

I really like the eyes and face...and yes,the rest of her too Ciggy.She looks approachable,friendly and easy to talk to.The sort of person you keep,as loved,than just plough away into.

She's beautiful and classy and Ciggy is lucky to know her.And I'm lucky enough,to be shown a picture.Why did he show me,family respect and love,genetics,sociable chat,learn new things...you idiot plonker,hate you,but not with the fury I once had,nor are you worth cursing,leaving you to exist with that schizoid mind of yours,is the cruellest of all acts I could do,besides upload your bedroom antics.

Might have a chat with Jill McDonald about you later...enjoy.


Billy Ruben wrote:what a schizoid lying plonker...

Billy Ruben wrote:NOW LET'S SEE THE TRUTH...


Billy Ruben wrote:


AND YEAH,YEAH,I KNOW SOD HATES THIS TACTIC AND MY ANSWER IS TOUGH-LUCK,SHE STARTED IT...
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Well,
folks at home,you're reading the words of a Baby-F*cker.
Myself,David Icke,Tintin/Cruise.Mr Van Der Plooge,we all f*ck babies...cause we spammed True Lilly's threads.
It's true,because True Lilly says so.
So,I went to the thread,the first one,where Ciggy and I,were networking her threads,to pick up,incestuous and child lovers.
The fear set in,that this hick inbred town,may finally accept me as one of their own,if Lillys' "truth" be known.
So,I went through half the thread,nope,no kiddie fuckin' there,but what was discovered was very interesting.

Lilly,is a reptilian and a faith healer to boot...



in this post,Lilly admits she's had offspring both human and alien...and with a touch,she can bring people back to life.

I think down at the local church or CWA meeting,they might refer to you as a witch or sorceress and you might not be so warmly received next time you're down there...they're s superstitious lot those old ladies,with trays of scones and well brewed tea...

Tales of your human son,being bought back to life with a touch from you,well,frankly,can only be done by those in league with the devil,unless you're Jesus,he's the only one allowed to do magic and healing in the old bible,without being burnt at the stake.

Lucky,that icon I gave you for your phone number was accurate and not done in spite...



Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:I would have had to believed and trusted 'David Icke'='tintin',
to be betrayed.

But all of you have betrayed each other, by believing and
trusting each other's lies and delusions.

btw, thanks, all of you, for straining to make the current
plot so clear...otherwise it may only have been seen as
the concerns of a loving mother.

But now they all know who would rush to ill planned war,
and that their very personal motives, serve neither side.

Could there be anything more idiotic, than pissing off,
both, God and The Beast?

Yes.

Denying The Holy Spirit.

well Lilly,I will hate doing this...and I'm not supporting Sod against you,but here goes.

Sod/Jewlian supported you for more than a year.He endorses your threads,he adds good conversation to your knowledge,despite the Punkrock and a little social drug taking,that could get out of control (listening there old boy),he digs Jesus and God.So do you,in a special way.
He never hacked your post and threads,he was surprised to find it limited,you were the only one to go that far.The only one,besides Palomino to stay by your side...he stuck it out,even though you bagged him publicly...don't say I don't notice,I do.I bagged the shit out of him,some true,some I suspected.If he was honest back then,he would get the respect I give naturally,UNTIL I'm so insulted...by people like yourself.
GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
He's more your mate than anybody around here and you should recognise that,without going on about the bullshit.You know the day your net kept dropping out,so was mine,at the same time,I rang my ISP and it was a Nationwide hub problem or something like that.

That's why I go your throat,you talk shit,convince yourself it's real,then hammer on about it ad nauseum.

Here's my little secret you always fail...you never admit you're wrong...You know,instead of ruining all my work with Reptiles and Occults,when I was wrong,I admitted my shortness of knowledge on the subject,still do,I know a percentage of "their stuff"...which is more than most ever do...but,the souls path,kharma,action and consequences...I'm very good at...I never wanted this fight with you Suzy...
never do start it,but sometimes...and I hate it...sometimes,I'm used to wake some people up...you are very stubborn...and anger me easy.
Lies,I hate...I did lie in that Tiswas thread,but admitted to doing it,before I did,I announced my intention to lie...not much of a liar,am I.

One lie,cost me 4 years,of feeling like shit,cause I should've spoke up for the 10 year old girl...I did'nt,cause I knew both parents...scum of the Earth...Cops would probably talk the kid into framing me...So it was violence or nothing.Colin was my boss,friend,but know him well,go him violence,same with me,you better do the job there and then.

I had no choice in the end...


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Post  true lilly on Sat Sep 24, 2011 11:16 pm

...and HOW DID I just KNOW what 'Billy Ruben's'
WAY OFF TOPIC, SPAMMED reply would be?

Because I KNOW 'HIM/THEM' and that 'THEY'
HATE ME FOR NOT BLAMING GOD,
FOR THE EVILS 'THEY' DID & DO!


true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:Well, 'YOU SICK MOB' WILL KEEP ADVERTISING HOW & FROM WHOM
'YOU' GET 'YOUR' "influence" & "power"
, but then
'YOU' BITCH LIKE THE GUTLESS EVIL TURDS 'YOU' ARE
when someone OUTSIDE 'YOUR' SICK CIRCLES, joins in 'YOUR' PERPETUAL
'CON
versations', to CON MORE INTO THOSE SATANIC CIRCLES.




But keep it up, 'they' DESERVE TO BE OUTED BY 'YOU'!

Tuesday, 20 October 2009

Parents sell virgins aged 12 for sex



BRITISH virgin girls as young as 12

are being sold to mega-rich Arabs for sex
at up to £50,000 a time.


Arrests ... Vice Squad cops from Scotland Yard nicked gang
secretly filmed offering virgins for sex



true lilly wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:But I'd like to meet,in no particular order:

Antiem,Size Of Light,Ownoiz,Kiwimaj,
Mountain,Tintin,Shodan,Ciggies Niece (without Chaperone)
MrIndigo




Who am I sexually attracted too?...mind your business.

Does that mean she hasn't turned 17 yet,
like your niece, who you proudly stated you lost interest in,
when she got that 'old'?
Evil or Very Mad



Go on, start another bunch of threads 'telling' folk how 'evil I am',
to remind folk
you're yet again, raising your favourite topic. Evil or Very Mad



Oh and there are plenty on line who's 'business' is, pinging those
in the business of child sex trading.



Ciggy's niece is 18, lunatic.

So, she's a young looking 18?

Well, don't bitch at me, it's your partner in
public conversations of,
'what child is too young and too related to fuck',
'Billy Ruben', who declared
he lost interest in his niece when she turned 17.

true lilly wrote:

And 'Ciggy', 'You',

shouldn't confuse folk by comparing them to
American Trailer Trash parks...







..or those in "tintin" aka 'AARNOUT'S' Amsterdam...

Location:Europe
Netherlands Amsterdam
Zeeburg
Downloadable by: friends of
aarnoot













Garden of Eden Caravan Park



true lilly wrote:...and 'Ciggy' even tried very hard
to CON
vince folk to MOVE TO MEXICO...
to 'get away from' TSHTF in America...




Major Violent Mexican Drug Cartel Member
Nabbed in (at a mobile home park south of
the Orange County seat.)
, Orange Co
North Carolina!!
June 20, 2011



http://www.thetimesnews.com/news/ruelas-45095-county-cocaine.html

HILLSBOROUGH — An alleged cocaine dealer

reputedly linked to one of
Mexico’s most violent drug cartels


has been arrested in a joint
federal-county law enforcement operation


at a mobile home park south of
the Orange County seat.




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Post  Billy Ruben on Sun Sep 25, 2011 1:05 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:But I'd like to meet,in no particular order:

Antiem,Size Of Light,Ownoiz,Kiwimaj,
Mountain,Tintin,Shodan,Ciggies Niece (without Chaperone)
MrIndigo


Who am I sexually attracted too?...mind your business.
Does that mean she hasn't turned 17 yet,
like your niece, who you proudly stated you lost interest in,
when she got that 'old'?
Evil or Very Mad

Go on, start another bunch of threads 'telling' folk how 'evil I am',
to remind folk you're yet again, raising your favourite topic. Evil or Very Mad

Oh and there are plenty on line who's 'business' is, pinging those
in the business of child sex trading.

Ciggy's niece is 18, lunatic.
So, she's a young looking 18?

Well, don't bitch at me, it's your partner in
public conversations of,
'what child is too young and too related to fuck',
'Billy Ruben', who declared
he lost interest in his niece when she turned 17.

Ciggy,you have my permission to show my PM yesterday,editing the picture of course,what I said about her looking older and better that way...remember,come on mate,smash this lying bitches hash...we got her for once and for all. thumbs up wave cheers cheese
Billy Ruben wrote:Fuckyou...you want to speak untruths...that's what you get.It was for Ciggy to have a laugh at and to test you...as per usual,you fail.I'll do and say as I please with you,as I do.You,can not be forgiven,as you return to your schizoid MO.You're nothing madam.Just a spammed up,gin soaked fuckwit on the net.Who cares about your name,where you live and your skewed views...Fuck You Suzy Ryan...Fuck you in the shitter,up yours,beasty girl.Dogspunk!!!!
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Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Sucked in slut!!!...if he does this mate,you're gonna look like the biggest tard on the forum...actually,I'll do it,edit Ciggies chat and picture,but you can see mine,sucked in Nutter!!!!

Lies and more lies to expose.I watch the count on your threads Suzy,they ain't reading you...Hahahahaha,you can go back to cheating now,if it makes you feel better.





Well shitbag?...I'm sure a twisted sickfuck like you can read anything into this PM.But what Ciggy was chatting about,was that his niece has come along way,from being a petty thief and fool,into a young,vibrant lady,who used effort,to transform and remodel herself,from a stupid little girl,into an upright,clear headed young woman.The Photos made her look,24-27,I was the one attracted to her and was most respectful to Ciggy and niece about it.I can't help it,cause she's the type I go for.Now here's the other thing,dipshit,Ciggy and I are having synchronicities in life.

We just go about it differently...and talk about our experiences.

Here's the other thing,Ciggys and my niece look similar.But Ciggys niece,is more formed as a person,my little niece,is waking up to women feelings and is under suppression from her fuckwit parents who LIE to her to keep her under control,Just like you did to your own,arsehole.The spam I used is the truth,sucked in...and I will use it,no matter what anyone says.

FUCK YOU...UP YOURS...YOUR MURDER FANTASIES SHOULD MATERIALIZE,SINCE YOU WANT IT SO BAD...


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Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:But I'd like to meet,in no particular order:

Antiem,Size Of Light,Ownoiz,Kiwimaj,
Mountain,Tintin,Shodan,Ciggies Niece (without Chaperone)
MrIndigo


Who am I sexually attracted too?...mind your business.
Does that mean she hasn't turned 17 yet,
like your niece, who you proudly stated you lost interest in,
when she got that 'old'?
Evil or Very Mad

Go on, start another bunch of threads 'telling' folk how 'evil I am',
to remind folk you're yet again, raising your favourite topic. Evil or Very Mad

Oh and there are plenty on line who's 'business' is, pinging those
in the business of child sex trading.

Ciggy's niece is 18, lunatic.
So, she's a young looking 18?

Well, don't bitch at me, it's your partner in
public conversations of,
'what child is too young and too related to fuck',
'Billy Ruben', who declared
he lost interest in his niece when she turned 17.

I was going to threaten your life on this post...even felt like carrying it out.I'm really good at what I do.

I can understand why people want to bash you senseless and why you drive people to do it.You hate yourself so much,you'd loved to be killed off,just so you don't have to tolerate yourself no further.

Fuck You slag...and I mean that.
Sam can't have sexual intercourse anymore,did you know that,filthbag.Do you know why I buy pot every fortnight,so it lowers her pain that we can have a little fun.She even told me to find a lover,fucktard,she just does'nt want to know...and I don't like the guilt,cause I just want her,shitbag.I did'nt tell the forum that,cause of the way liars like True Lilly and JD/John Drake,lie and twist the truth for their own satisfaction.

My niece is a beautiful,slightly niave (Not anymore I'd say) innocent young lady that did'nt know what she was feeling.And wrong,you evil slut,I'd be more interested in my niece as she grows older...not younger.My last two lovers,was over 53,one I liked,the other I blew in 45 seconds,twice,to get away from her,new age fucktard,as delusional and a liar like you.And I just met two mid twenties women in East Maitland who'd like a little male in their lesbo action...fuckyou,I'm going to suck the both of them off as C jacks me off over both their tits...and I'm going to love it.No cum in pussy,I'm not stupid.

Even you know this is a pathetic lie you sprout,so desperate.And when I post your PM for Ciggy and all to see how you fucked over your own for the love of God,I'm sure people will get the message,how fucked in the head you are.

And I just released this information,just to fuck you up...and show,that at least,I'm not afraid of the truth about ourselves.Where others may think I'm joking about your beastiality during your teens...NO,I FUCKING MEAN IT...I'VE MET THE REAL DEALS...AND THEY SOUND LIKE YOU,COMPLETE LIARS ABOUT OTHERS SEXUALITY TO COVER FOR THEIR OWN DEVIOUS SICKNESS,YOU SUZY RYAN,PREFER DOG-KNOT,THAN THE COMPANY OF MEN...FUCK YOU


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Billy Ruben wrote:aND i WAS JOKING ABOUT cIGGIES NIECE.i WAS HONOURED HE'D TRUST ME...(ooops,caps-lock,not screaming now)...with a photo,after we had a bit of a strained relationship,from last year.

Even my beef with Limelady and Boots,I never once,shared the photos I have about them,nor have I ever showed anyone,BUT SAM,the photo of Ciggies niece.Even if he fucked me over tomorrow I would'nt show it.Why screw over someone I never met or have a beef with.

I really like the eyes and face...and yes,the rest of her too Ciggy.She looks approachable,friendly and easy to talk to.The sort of person you keep,as loved,than just plough away into.

She's beautiful and classy and Ciggy is lucky to know her.And I'm lucky enough,to be shown a picture.Why did he show me,family respect and love,genetics,sociable chat,learn new things...you idiot plonker,hate you,but not with the fury I once had,nor are you worth cursing,leaving you to exist with that schizoid mind of yours,is the cruellest of all acts I could do,besides upload your bedroom antics.

Might have a chat with Jill McDonald about you later...enjoy.


Billy Ruben wrote:what a schizoid lying plonker...

Billy Ruben wrote:NOW LET'S SEE THE TRUTH...


Billy Ruben wrote:


AND YEAH,YEAH,I KNOW SOD HATES THIS TACTIC AND MY ANSWER IS TOUGH-LUCK,SHE STARTED IT...
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Well,
folks at home,you're reading the words of a Baby-F*cker.
Myself,David Icke,Tintin/Cruise.Mr Van Der Plooge,we all f*ck babies...cause we spammed True Lilly's threads.
It's true,because True Lilly says so.
So,I went to the thread,the first one,where Ciggy and I,were networking her threads,to pick up,incestuous and child lovers.
The fear set in,that this hick inbred town,may finally accept me as one of their own,if Lillys' "truth" be known.
So,I went through half the thread,nope,no kiddie fuckin' there,but what was discovered was very interesting.

Lilly,is a reptilian and a faith healer to boot...



in this post,Lilly admits she's had offspring both human and alien...and with a touch,she can bring people back to life.

I think down at the local church or CWA meeting,they might refer to you as a witch or sorceress and you might not be so warmly received next time you're down there...they're s superstitious lot those old ladies,with trays of scones and well brewed tea...

Tales of your human son,being bought back to life with a touch from you,well,frankly,can only be done by those in league with the devil,unless you're Jesus,he's the only one allowed to do magic and healing in the old bible,without being burnt at the stake.

Lucky,that icon I gave you for your phone number was accurate and not done in spite...



Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:I would have had to believed and trusted 'David Icke'='tintin',
to be betrayed.

But all of you have betrayed each other, by believing and
trusting each other's lies and delusions.

btw, thanks, all of you, for straining to make the current
plot so clear...otherwise it may only have been seen as
the concerns of a loving mother.

But now they all know who would rush to ill planned war,
and that their very personal motives, serve neither side.

Could there be anything more idiotic, than pissing off,
both, God and The Beast?

Yes.

Denying The Holy Spirit.

well Lilly,I will hate doing this...and I'm not supporting Sod against you,but here goes.

Sod/Jewlian supported you for more than a year.He endorses your threads,he adds good conversation to your knowledge,despite the Punkrock and a little social drug taking,that could get out of control (listening there old boy),he digs Jesus and God.So do you,in a special way.
He never hacked your post and threads,he was surprised to find it limited,you were the only one to go that far.The only one,besides Palomino to stay by your side...he stuck it out,even though you bagged him publicly...don't say I don't notice,I do.I bagged the shit out of him,some true,some I suspected.If he was honest back then,he would get the respect I give naturally,UNTIL I'm so insulted...by people like yourself.
GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
He's more your mate than anybody around here and you should recognise that,without going on about the bullshit.You know the day your net kept dropping out,so was mine,at the same time,I rang my ISP and it was a Nationwide hub problem or something like that.

That's why I go your throat,you talk shit,convince yourself it's real,then hammer on about it ad nauseum.

Here's my little secret you always fail...you never admit you're wrong...You know,instead of ruining all my work with Reptiles and Occults,when I was wrong,I admitted my shortness of knowledge on the subject,still do,I know a percentage of "their stuff"...which is more than most ever do...but,the souls path,kharma,action and consequences...I'm very good at...I never wanted this fight with you Suzy...
never do start it,but sometimes...and I hate it...sometimes,I'm used to wake some people up...you are very stubborn...and anger me easy.
Lies,I hate...I did lie in that Tiswas thread,but admitted to doing it,before I did,I announced my intention to lie...not much of a liar,am I.

One lie,cost me 4 years,of feeling like shit,cause I should've spoke up for the 10 year old girl...I did'nt,cause I knew both parents...scum of the Earth...Cops would probably talk the kid into framing me...So it was violence or nothing.Colin was my boss,friend,but know him well,go him violence,same with me,you better do the job there and then.

I had no choice in the end...


Evil or Very Mad Crying or Very sad Mad confused


Wank,Wank,Wank,Wank...you talk alot of shit madam...



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Post  Billy Ruben on Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:23 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:First intelligent news you've reported in years.Even a crackpot like you,gets the idea,the way forward,is to mimic,re-create,natural phenomenon and physics,don't expect me to agree to often though,way ahead of you madam.Were you ever familiar with the wide-bodied aircraft designs of Brunelli?Much safer,fuel efficient and need shorter runways,but do go on madam,I'm sure you won't understand this screen capture,nor did the hospitsl porter niether.
Of course 'Billy Ruben',
who BOASTS of LUSTING AFTER CHILDREN, and
USING PART Aboriginal blood and MENTAL 'illness'
to GET AWAY WITH CRIMINAL ACTS
WOULD POST THAT HERE,
where I post SERIOUS NEWS Like THIS:


You do not post serious news,you make baseless slander,then post news items supporting your slander.So,I get away with crimes do I,spose you were disappointed with Taree Polices lack of will,eh?I know you've been up to dirty tricks,but they don't work,do they.Niether do mine either.Cause you'd be in a psyche ward by now.You need assessment and care.

Billy Ruben wrote:I want an answer true Lilly,why does Atlantabizgirl cover up for baby rapist???

Billy Ruben wrote:
True Lilly wrote:
And Moderator

atlantabizgal, QUACKS LIKE THE QUACKS WHO
FUCK, TORTURE and COVER UP FOR OTHERS
WHO FUCK and TORTURE BABIES.

See, "THEY" ALL AVOID THE FACT, that,
LIKE CORI,
THAT CHILD RAPIST BOASTED OF HIS EVILS
,
TO HIS FELLOW VIOLENT CRIMINALS,
that HE KNEW, PUNISH CHILD RAPISTS.

Which means only two things:
1- he believed he was "untouchable".
A valuable lesson for all such fools.

2- he didn't want to live with himself anymore.

He got the (temporary) relief he begged for.



That's a pretty big call dragging the new kid on the block,labelling Atlantabizgirl a baby rapist,now how did she earn your wrath today.Did she say something to an evil sockpuppet you have hidden at DIF,was there unwarranted spam,in the form of a valid question?
Please,enthrall me with your conclusion and reasons...

Billy Ruben wrote:atlantabizgal
Moderator


Look at those eyes,how could you say these things True Lilly,there will be tears spilled for this,mark my words...

True Lilly,you just can't say these things about anybody that takes your displeasure,which,as it turns out,is very easy to do.But just because you had a bad uncle who payed late night visits with bourbon smelling breath,does'nt mean you're a child abuse specialist nor counsellor,please refrain in future,making unfounded accusations,that is all for now.

There is one thing to consider though True Lilly,everyone you picked on is either English,Dutch or Aussie.Ciggy,don't count,he's demon,but you're picking on an American Woman now,slandering her name,accusing her of heinous atrocities,
complicity in the rape and cover-up of minors.Madam,they use the court system,over there,to resolve differences and you sounding like this,in the below video,you maybe actually be ghetto ratting in a government house,unlike what I really believe,you're head mole of a Nazi Biker Death Squad,You may,under scutiny of the courts,be deemed,a type of insanity and end up institutionalised for your very own good...and everybody elses.


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Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:True Lilly,how do you run a successful fund raiser?
I did a "Save Billys Arse Appeal",not a fucking cent I saw,hoping to raise cash for an escape to Holland.

I have'nt got a car.I need a car.Preferabley a special variant,in mickey mouse condition,cared for and cheap.

How do I scam people to buy me this car,cause I need a car and don't want to pay for it?



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HOLDEN-COMMODORE-1992-VP-WAGON-WHITE-V6-AUTO-AIR-CON-VN-VR-VS-VT-HSV-/250901869559?pt=AU_Cars&hash=item3a6aeab3f7

Billy needs car....please help Billy.

I really just don't have the dosh off hand,that's all...nice beast with excellent suspension...

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Post  true lilly on Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:12 am

Commonwealth Ombudsman to resign
Why are 'you' denying sizing THIS Headline, as
THE VERY IMPORTANT Headline it is?

Oh, the subject explains it.
'You' and 'your' fellow TRAITORS ARE BUSTED in it!


Commonwealth Ombudsman to resign
From: AAP
October 20, 2011 12:54AM

COMMONWEALTH Ombudsman Allan Asher
is set to announce his resignation after admitting
he wrote questions for a Greens senator
to ask him in a Senate committee hearing.


Fairfax reports the Gillard government has made it clear it had
lost confidence in Mr Asher because he penned questions about
under-funding for Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young
to ask him in a senate committee hearing
in May.


It said Mr Asher has met with Special Minister of State Gary Gray
to discuss his conduct where it was obvious relations between him
and the government were beyond repair.

On Monday, Mr Asher apologised to a Senate estimates committee for his
behaviour at an earlier hearing, saying it had been mistaken and he was
deeply sorry.

The paper said that while it would take a parliamentary vote to dismiss Mr Asher,
he was ready to step aside today in the face of the government's attitude.

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Post  true lilly on Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:57 am

Oh dear, - Jane, Liverpool, UK, 19/10/2011 16:13,
Queen Elizabeth is our Monarch,
and Australia, with it's tiny 21+ million population,
can afford to offer to help
your precious EU countries
out of their financial mess.

We are not a 'Banana Republic' because we are not a republic.

And something for all Australian's to consider:

how do you think an elected head of state of a country
this rich in natural resources, this large in area, and this tiny in population,
could prevent all those militarily powerful, population rich
but resource poor nations, from raiding us blind,
without Our Royal Family, watching over us?

- Lilly, Ballarat, Australia, 20/10/2011 3:06





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050818/Queen-Elizabeth-arrives-Australia-tour-country.html#ixzz1bFZjHfu3


Her Majesty the Queen's Personal Flag for Australia
-
Since the 1964 Royal Visit of Australia, HM Queen Elizabeth II
has used in Australia a distinctive personal flag,
rather than the Royal Standard

used when she is in the United Kingdom.
The flag is a banner of the Australian Coat of Arms
with a badge consisting of the Commonwealth Star
upon which is the Queen's Royal badge
showing her initial surmounted by a crown
and surrounded by a garland of roses and wattle.

Note that the Western Australian swan
faces away from the hoist,
the same as in the Coat of Arms.

The correct proportions are 22 x 31, not
the 1 x 2 proportions
that are used for other British Royal Standards.
true lilly wrote:Should Julia Gillard have curtsied to the Queen?

Yes70.97% (1719 votes)
No
29.03% (703 votes)

Total votes: 2422

Should Australia abandon the monarchy and become a republic?

Yes
36.7% (1042 votes)
No 63.3% (1797 votes)

Total votes: 2839
true lilly wrote:Oh and thanks, for outing so many of 'your' Co-Colluders.
true lilly wrote:Commonwealth Ombudsman to resign
Why are 'you' denying sizing THIS Headline, as
THE VERY IMPORTANT Headline it is?

Oh, the subject explains it.
'You' and 'your' fellow TRAITORS ARE BUSTED in it!


Commonwealth Ombudsman to resign
From: AAP
October 20, 2011 12:54AM

COMMONWEALTH Ombudsman Allan Asher
is set to announce his resignation after admitting
he wrote questions for a Greens senator
to ask him in a Senate committee hearing.


Fairfax reports the Gillard government has made it clear it had
lost confidence in Mr Asher because he penned questions about
under-funding for Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young
to ask him in a senate committee hearing
in May.


It said Mr Asher has met with Special Minister of State Gary Gray
to discuss his conduct where it was obvious relations between him
and the government were beyond repair.

On Monday, Mr Asher apologised to a Senate estimates committee for his
behaviour at an earlier hearing, saying it had been mistaken and he was
deeply sorry.

The paper said that while it would take a parliamentary vote to dismiss Mr Asher,
he was ready to step aside today in the face of the government's attitude.

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Post  true lilly on Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:22 am

What The HELL is "FOUNDATION"?
I really can't be bothered re-explaining what all this means,
but I'm sure readers who have followed the exchanges between me
and my attackers, like 'tintin' and 'David Icke's' 'australian' members,
will notice "FOUNDATION" has more in common with 'tintin/them'
than 'their' tired old tactic of DENYING ACCESS,
to INDEPENDENT THINKERS/RESEARCHERS who have NOT BEEN
BOUGHT OFF, TO PEDDLE MORE TRAITOROUS PROPAGANDA.


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October 20, 2011
2:21PM

OUTGOING South Australian Premier Mike Rann says it's up to others to judge him.

But the man often dubbed "media Mike" is not shy about listing his government's achievements since coming to office in 2002.

By any measure it's a reasonably impressive list.

In recent weeks the premier has signed-off on the banning of mining in the
environmentally-sensitive Arkaroola Sanctuary in the Flinders Ranges
and also the deal to have BHP Billiton spend $30 billion expanding the
Olympic Dam copper and uranium mine.

Over the past decade it has
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employing more doctors and nurses.

It has also built a desalination plant, started construction on a new central hospital and
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In defence, SA secured the contracts to build the Navy's next fleet of submarines and also the air warfare destroyers.

The Government has also championed renewable energy, with SA now generating
more than half the nation's wind power and becoming a leader in solar
power.

But there's been issues too.

Mr Rann has been forced to deny an affair with a former parliamentary waitress and
watched on as his deputy and long-serving treasurer Kevin Foley was twice assaulted.

A Labor MP was also charged with child pornography offences and was suspended
from the ALP while there have also been a simmering row with the union movement over cuts to public sector jobs and conditions.

That
row has characterised the sometimes wider criticism levelled at Mr Rann
and his government, that they don't always listen to the people or
properly consult before
finalising projects or policies.

In a balancing act, the wins probably outweigh the losses, but as Mr Rann suggests,
the final say will be up to others.

"Overall I think that one day people will probably say all of these things were
about a state that's more confident about itself, more outward looking,"
he says.

"That we're a destination again rather than a beloved home town that people
had to leave to find opportunities elsewhere."

More personally, Mr Rann says being the SA Premier has been the
"greatest privilege of my life".

"I wanted to leave the state in better shape than I found it, and I wanted
to leave the party in better shape than when I took over," he says.

"I think on both of those there's big tick."

Mr Rann is expected to officially stand down as premier tomorrow.


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Post  mugglez on Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:20 am

le sabrage wrote:Yahshua's Kabbalah

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Mark 9: 1 “Yes!” he went on, “I tell you that there are some people standing here who will not experience death until they see the Kingdom Of G-d come in a powerful way!” 2 Six days later, Yahshua took Kefa, Ya‘akov and Yochanan and led them up a high mountain privately. As they watched, he began to change form, 3 and his clothes became dazzlingly white, whiter than anyone in the world could possibly bleach them. 4 Then they saw Eliyahu and Moshe speaking with Yahshua. 5 Kefa said to Yahshua, “It’s good that we’re here, Rabbi! Let’s put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moshe and one for Eliyahu.” 6 (He didn’t know what to say, they were so frightened.) 7 Then a cloud enveloped them; and a voice came out of the cloud, “This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!” 8 Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Yahshua. (Jewish NT)



Those of you who are attending kabbalah class know that Jewish Mysticism, which is known today as Kabbalah is the private instruction of a rabbi to his Talmidim as opposed to Mishnah, which denoted a rabbis' public ministry that his Talmidim were to pass on.



In the foregoing passage, we have the culmination of the Kabbalah of Yahshua and he warns His disciples not to reveal the vision of the Transfiguration until after He is resurrected.



Sha'ul also wrote of Kabbalah when he spoke of the transmigration of his soul in 2 Cor. 12:2-4.



Kabbalah also informs of a technique allowing one to enter into "Paradise," the eternal Garden of Eden adjacent to the Chariot-Throne that is fraught with danger.



In general Kabbalah is about our cleaving to G-d and approaching His Throne. Elijah, Ezekiel, Yahshua and Sha'ul all seem to have been familiar with kabbalistic techniques.

In the reading of the Transfiguration (Matthew 16:28-17:13; Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:27-36) we have a glimpse into Yahshua's kabbalah. We see Yahshua taking three of His Disciples - Peter, James, and John climbing above the villages, up the slopes of Mount Hermon or Mount Lebanon as Josephus called it in his Antiquities to an ancient site of worship.



On mount Hermon Yahshua here followed the example of Moshe who took three of his followers Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu up Mount Sinai where they ate and drank to celebrate the vision of the G-d of Israel on His sapphire throne (Ex. 24:1-11). But unlike what happened on Moshe's mountain, Yahshua's disciples, covered by a cloud of glory, heard a voice say, " This is my son, the beloved, in whom I take pleasure: hear Him (Matthew 9:Cool and when the cloud passed they found Yahshua without Moshe and Elijah (Mark 9:Cool standing alone as G-d's son. "Divine son" was the same designation Yahshua had heard during His immersion with John the Baptist: now his own disciples saw and heard the truth of Yahshua's own vision. We should note that the Transfiguration does not speak in the later exclusive language of the Christian Trinity that makes Yahshua into the only possible son of G-d. Here we perceive that the same spirit that had animated Elijah and Moshe was present in Yahshua and this spirit could make of whomever it wishes sons of G-d.



In the middle of the vision and hearing the divine voice Kefa (Peter) offers to build three huts (Sukkoth) for Yahshua, Moshe and Eliyahu. In Marks' gospel we see this presented as an inept suggestion born out of fear (Mark 9:5-6).



A better translation of verse 6 would be that "For he (Peter) did not know how he should respond, because they were terrified" inferring that Peter's suggestion was an inane remark because of a loss for words.



Frequently, during the formation of the Gospels and their many redactions the significance of Judaic symbolism was forgotten and blame fell on the alleged ignorance of the apostles, rather than the amnesia and ignorance of the Church. In this case the Sukkot Kefa refers to reflect both the great feast that was coming and the realization that great prophets like Moshe, Eliyahu, and Yahshua brought the Spirit of G-d to abide in Israel. Sukkot or booths symbolizes the providence of G-d in His provision for us. Kefa's appreciation of the experience he had witnessed and his desire to build shelters is an indication that he, James and John had indeed joined Yahshua in the vision of the Chariot first reported in the translation of Eliyahu as witnessed by Elisha in, 2 Kings 2:11 and later Ezekiel's Chariot-Throne in his book.



The Mishnah in Chagigah 2:1 teaches that the Chariot called Merkavah in Hebrew should not be introduced to one person alone because the vision of the divine Throne was laden with danger. Some initiates died, some went mad, and still others fell prey to polytheism, by meditating on the Throne imprudently, and it was His genius as a rabbi that Yahshua led his disciples into a vision of the Chariot in a way that mobilized and safely transformed them.



The Transfiguration represents the mature development of Rabbi Yahshua's kabbalah as a man, tempted, in all the ways of humanity, for He was not only able to translate his own vision, but to initiate others into its richness. They now saw Him as a living presence in the pantheon of Israel's patriarchs and prophets around G-d's throne. Their rabbi, favored by the thundering voice of G-d (John 12:28, 29), stood at the vortex of creation's source. Yahshua had given to them and gives to us, no matter the cost in hardships, deprivation and struggles the reward of intimacy with the divine presence.



Yahshua's esoteric teaching as evidenced by the Scriptures had grown in advance of His public teaching, and that is a reversal of the pattern we would expect from the Mishnah and the Talmud. Kabbalah had an early prominent place in His teaching. Through the Transfiguration we see that G-d has exalted His son and this revealing of Yahshua's entrance into the heavenly court forever more became a defining force in our consciousness of G-d in our culture.



The vision on Mount Hermon had shown that Yahshua was G-d's son and this exerted a powerful temptation onto His disciples. They would counsel: Who would deny such a man the power to rule as the King of Israel? Yahshua to was susceptible to the same temptation. Yet, Yahshua who is the faithful son of G-d and being pressed by HaSatan day and night to being disloyal to G-d resisted it, and "The Lord's Prayer" was completed in the dark night of what has become known as the Temptation:



My Father,

Your name will be sanctified, your Kingdom will come: Give me today the bread that is coming, and release me my debts-not bring me to the test!



The disciples as were the people of Israel confused G-d's Kingdom with their own national power, especially as Yahshua initiated then into the variations of His Kabbalah after the vision on Mt. Hermon.



Yahshua had healed the sick, raised the dead, stilled storms, walked on water and ultimately had appeared on Mt. Hermon with Eliyahu and Moshe. Why should He not break the rule of Rome?



His disciples even argued among themselves as to who should be the greatest next to Yahshua in the coming Kingdom on earth. Yahshua had to define His movement for by force they might make Him King.



In the Targum of Zechariah, chapter 14 communicates Yahshua's mission and focus to Him. It provided the formula and ritual program, and the key that would unlock the magic door through which the transformation of the Kingdom of G-d would flow. The Targum predicts that G-d's Kingdom will be manifested over the entire earth when the offerings of Sukkoth are presented both by Israelites and Gentiles at the Temple. It further predicts that these worshippers will prepare and offer their sacrifices themselves, in the Galilean manner without the intervention of middlemen. Significantly, the last words of the book promise that, "there shall never again be a trader in the sanctuary of the Lord of Hosts at that time" (Zachariah 14:21). Yahshua's desire to realize the Targum prophecy brought on the dramatic confrontation that he would shortly provoke in the Temple. Zechariah's vision of the ultimate Sukkoth restored the land to Israel and the Temple to the sacrifice G-d desired, The Romans would be banished, and Zion's gate opened to all who would join with Israel there in worship (Targum Zechariah 14:9). Most Christians do not know that during the millennium there will be a return to animal sacrifice in the Temple. Zechariah 14 vv.16-21, 'And it shall come to pass that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the king, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles... Yea every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of Hosts; and all that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein; and in that day shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of Hosts'. And again perhaps the clearest and most detailed references to the same are in the closing chapters of Ezekiel. The seven chapters Ezekiel 40-46 - give us a description of the millennial temple with its dimensions and its practices, including the sacrifices and offerings, which will take place.



All Yahshua's actions were informed by Judaism and the tenets of its faith, and that is lost or even considered anathema to most professed believers, because they have been taught, erroneously, that His advent signaled a new path to redemption, a path that leads to Hellenistic Christianity, and it's opposition to Judaism. Yet, any unbiased, informed believer can realize through Yahshua's kabbalah and His mission that He was not only our paschal lamb to provide reconciliation unto HaShem, but he was also to usher in the Future Kingdom of G-d, established within the framework and parameters of a Messianic Judaism that upholds the practice of Torah. And not through another religion that has lost its Jewish roots, namely Christianity.

Amein


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el kabong wrote:Here's an example right here in this Thread. What was it? invisible..............answer my Counter-argument you wench...................


el kabong wrote:

true lilly wrote: rolling pin

and that was only a tiny sample of the countless examples
of why the wise, keep, The First Commandment, First and Last

hey suzi/not so tru lilly, I see you've made a new fan/reader. lmao rolf cheers

what you know about YHWHs Commandments you could fit in a thimble and have lots of room left over. Your new fan says it well.

Your dog don't hunt. never did. never will.
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One effect of an Alphabetic based Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather then the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.

The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerent of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.

This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.
As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.

When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this dicombobulated Moses so much he dropped the two stone Tablets Yahweh had written the ten commandments.


Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Ihage and Written Word, both were destroyed.

As the story goes, Moses returned to the Mountain Top and Yahweh provided him with another set. Yahweh also taught Moses the Alephbet.

The 10 Commandments; The first four Commandments are for the Recognition and service/Worship of Yahweh, the remaining six focus on our fellow humans, loving and serving them.

The Commandment to Honour Both Father and Mother elevates and recognizes the importance and status of Women in the Family Group.

Loving your neighbour is not one of the Ten but appears in the Torah/Instruction, Leviticus 19:18.
The last six commandments are not unusual, and found in other Codexes of Laws, The First four Commandments are Unique.
Each one of the four encourages Alphabetic Literacy by rejecting the Right Brains way of 'knowing'.

One effect of a new, abstract, linear, sequential and reductionist means of communication moves people who learn it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode.

Social Engineering.

The 10 Commandments: The First four concern Recognition/Respect and Service/Worship of Yahweh.

The remaining six are love and respect of fellow humans.

The Ethics they embody are more sophisticated then other contemporary ANE Cultures.

The commandment to honour BOTH Father and Mother signifies the womens important role and in the Family Unit.

Loving Neighbours is in the General Torah/Instruction: Leviticus 19:18

The last six commandments are not unusual, the first four commandments are unique. Each of the first four encourage Alphabetic literacy by rejecting the right brains way of knowing.

The First Commandment:

20:2 I am Yahweh thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohim before me.


In one fell swoop subserviates all other elohim/gods & goddesses.

Nothing personal, it was business.

The Meta-Message of the First Commandment is that Yahweh is the Master of the Universe, He is self-existant, and all other elohim/gods & goddesses are created beings, subserviant to Him. Psalm 82

Psalm 82

82:1 Yahweh standeth in the congregation of El; he judgeth among the elohim.

82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of the most High.

82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

82:8 Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

All of Yahwehs Titles are masculine.

The First Commandment is a radical break with the Hebrews past environment. Moses and the Hebrews had left Egypt which was Polytheistic, alot of gods and goddesses worship.

Yahweh declares there is no worship of other gods or goddesses. Full Stop.

Perhaps the most radical sentence ever written.

The Second Commandment:

20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I; Yahweh thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

No Graven Images, Icons or Idols, Statues.

Learning to think without Images is indispensable to Alphabetic Literacy. The Power formerly rendered to Images/Pictures is now transferred to the written word.

Make no Graven Images is a ban/restraint on Right Brain Pattern Recognition.

The Third Commandment:

20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Yahweh thy Elohim in vain; for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Do not use Yahwehs Name vainly, with Malintent. Again; Left Brain.

Yahwehs first instruction to adam isto Name all the critters. Through Naming, Adam attains dominion over all the Earth. Naming confers meaning and order, moving Life from Chaos to Order.

To Name is to know, to know is to control. Order out of Chaos.

The Fourth Commandment:

20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

20:11 For in six days made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Seven Days are not a Natural Break Point in any of Earths Major Natural Rhythmic Cycles-Lunar-Solar, except the Quarter Moon.

This facilitates the learning of Aritmatic.

Leviticus 25:3-10 is about the Jubilee Years, the 50th,

No other ANE culture at that time had instructed the general population to compute complex time periods, this had formerly been the domain of the Priestly Castes.

The Time Commandment lays the foundation for the concept of Justice, a well developed sense of Linear Time is necessary to conceive of Punishment delayed and Rewards postponed.

Non-Literate Cultures are not as pre-occupied with the notion/concept of Justice as the Literate, because they do not conceive of time only as linear.

Non-Literated peeps tend to think of death as a passage to another World, not as a Day in Court.

Alphabets stretch out the sense of Time and make possible the awareness of the possibility of a retribution Time in the distant future.

A Judgements day only occurs in Literate Cultures.

Alphabet Literate Cultures became aware of writing History in a Linear, Chronological sequencing of Events.

The fourth Commandments Mechanical/Sociological ramifications is instructing people to be aware of Passing Time.

This was the advent of the seven day week, and a day off every week.

A day off for ALL Humans, Free and Bond, and ALL Beasts of Burden and the Farmland every seven years isto lay fallow to rejuvinate the enzymes in the ground.

This led to Sundials, waterclocks, Pendulums, Escape Mechanisms, Cogs, Gears, Calenders.

Time is a key function of the Left Brain.

Each of the First Four Commandments trains people in the ability to: Think Abstractly, linearly and sequentially.

Collectively, they produce a Mindset that enhances the use and facility of Alphabetic Literacy.

This Technology welded the small group into a cohesive and coherent Nation/Culture.



Do you realise how you contradict yourself? The First Commandment is a pillar of the Torah/Instruction (which you insult and falsly declare was 'done away with') of YHWH Elohim, and it declares that the Hebrews were in Egypt/Mizraim, which you deny.

Torah means Instruction. YHWH Elohim has provided aLL humankind with His Instruction, who are you to say otherwise?

A lying, false prophet. thumbs up

You are really a mental case like Billy Rueben has documented.

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Suzi, aka tru lilly, listen to this hooman thumbs up









































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true lilly wrote:
le sabrage wrote:
May this House be built quickly in our time. Amen.


SEE, another sly admission that
'They' The King of The NORTH,
and his followers,
MEAN TO TAKE AUSTRALIA
FOR 'THEM'................... rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin ..............................

er........suzi........................only the rankest moron(you) would have projected that reply to my Post.........well done....again. thumbs up

FYI...they are talking about Jerusalem, in Israel.....................what don't you understand about that?

Was YHWHS previous two Temples in Australia?

NO.

Israel is the Eternal Promised Land................NOT Australia......... thumbs up lmao rolf


Neither will be the Third, and when the New Jerusalem decends it will over the old Jerusalem in.................Israel, not Australia..............it is futile for you to twist and pervert the Scriptures of YHWH, the Prophets you quote, out of context, are YHWHs Prophets, they speak of Israel..........NOT Australia..................suzi/lily.....you remain p.a.t.h.e.t.i.c......Analysis of Daniel 11:2-35

Daniel 11 fits the history of the Seleucids and Ptolemies like a pair of tailor-made gloves." thumbs up The vision in Daniel 11:2-35 is set in the third year of the Persian King Cyrus the Great (ca. 536 B.C.). The Greek conqueror Alexander the Great is briefly mentioned in Daniel 11:2 as a "warrior king," and the fourfold division of his empire is referred to in Daniel 11:3. Daniel 11:5-20 describes the wars between the Ptolemiac and Seleucid Empires. Daniel 11:21-35 is devoted to Antiochus Epiphanes, his rise to power, attacks on Egypt, and subsequent persecution of the Jews. The reader should particularly note the increased attention given to detail as the vision focuses on the second century B.C. and the tyranny of Antiochus. . thumbs up rolf lmao
http://www.bibleplus.org/prophecy/kings.html


Suzi, you remain a Bullshit Artist........... thumbs up

Daniel 11 fits the history of the Seleucids and Ptolemies like a pair of tailor-made gloves."


Some insightful Bible students noticed, the proof lies in the obvious identity that exists between Daniel's "the king of the north" in the last days and Ezekiel's "Gog" of the latter days. By comparing what is said about each of them in the two prophecies, it is manifest that they can only be different titles for the same being.

Ezekiel Chapter 38 and 39 = Daniel 11:45

Their geographical position is the same. "Gog's" country is in the north part in relation to the Holy Land; as it is written, "Thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts". "Gog" is therefore "the king of the north", his place or country being there.

Both of them are adversaries of Israel and invaders of the Holy Land. The eleventh chapter of Daniel abundantly proves this in relation to "the king of the north"; and of "Gog", Yahoueh said: "Thou shalt come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land".
The time they invade the land is the same. "The king of the north" invades in the last days. Of "Gog" it is said: "It shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land".
The same peoples are named as components of their armies. The Libyans and Ethiopians are allies with "the king of the north"; and in the enumeration of Gog's forces, it says, "Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them".
Who is "Gog"? Which land is the land of "Magog"?
Some people think that "Gog" is the Devil. But does the context support this idea? Ezekiel wrote that after "Gog's" last attack he will fall and then be buried by the people. (Ez.39:4,11) So there is no need to prove that "Gog" represents the Devil as we know that the devil does not have a body of flesh and bone and has no need for a grave. Thus, in actuality, whom does "Gog" symbolize?

"Gog" is the chief prince of Meschech and Tubal. Meshech, the sixth son of Japheth (Genesis 10:2) is the founder of a tribe (1 Chronicles 1:5; Ezekiel 27:13; 38:2,3). They were in all probability the Moschi people, inhabiting the Moschian Mountains, between the Black and the Caspian Seas. In Psalms 120:5 the name occurs simply as a synonym for foreigners or barbarians. "During the ascendancy of the Babylonians and Persians in Western Asia, the Moschi were subdued; but it seems probable that a large number of them crossed the Caucasus range and spread over the northern steppes, mingling with the Scythians. There they became known as Muscovs and gave this name to the Russian nation and its ancient capital by which they are still generally known throughout the East" (Easton's Bible Dictionary).

Many ancient sources have clearly identified "Magog" as referring to the "Scythians".
One of the earliest references to Magog was made by Hesiod, "the father of Greek didactic poetry" who identified Magog with the Scythians and southern Russia in the 7th century B.C. Hesiod was a contemporary of Ezekiel.

Josephus Flavius clearly identified Magog. "Magog founded the Magogians, thus named after him, but who were by the Greeks called Scythians". (Josephus, Antiquities, 1.123; Jerome, Commentary on Ezekiel 38:2)

The Greek historian Herodotus wrote that in the fifth century B.C. the Scythians ruled from the Don River, in present southern Russia, to the Carpathian Mountains in central Europe.

Philo, is another historian in the first century A.D. who identified "Magog" with southern Russia.

Ancient authorities clearly identified the Scythians as the ancestors of the present day Russians.

However, even without that information, the identity of "Magog" is not too difficult to figure out. In Ezekiel 38:15, it says: "And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee". The "north parts" is literally the "extreme, or uttermost" parts of the north.

Who are "the kings of the north" and "south"? Who are the "kings" of this chapter?

Daniel 11:2
Since the Prophecy was given in the third year of Cyrus (Daniel 10:1), the three kings that were to "stand up yet", that is, "after him", were Cambyses II, Smerdis the Magian imposter, Darius I Hystaspes.

The fourth king, Xerxes I, stirred up Persia against Greece, which he invaded in 480 B.C. but failed to conquer. Since prophecy touches only upon important events and characters, the remaining kings of Persia are omitted, and the prophecy jumps over nearly 150 years to the time of Alexander the Great 336-323 B.C.E.

Daniel 11:3,4
"A valiant king", Alexander the Great, whose kingdom after his death was divided into four parts.
1) Seleucus I - who began the Seleucid (Syrian) empire, from Turkey to India.
2) Cassander - who took over Macedonia (Greece).
3) Lysimachus - who took Thracia (between Greece and Turkey).
4) Ptolemy I - who ruled over Egypt.

Daniel 11:5
After the death of Alexander the Great in 323 B.C., the throne of Egypt fell to Ptolemy I Soter, the son of Lagus, the king of the south.
"One of his princes", Seleucus I, Nicator ["the king of the north"] also rose to power, and took over the region of Syria. He eventually became more powerful than his former Egyptian ruler.

Daniel 11:6
"The daughter of the king of the south" = Berenice II, daughter of Ptolemy II Philadelphus.
"The king of the north" = Antiochus II Theos.
Two years after the marriage, Berenice's father (Ptolemy Philadelphus) died.
Antiochus restored Laodice and put away Berenice.
He was then poisoned by Laodice.
Berenice fled with her children to Daphne where she was killed.

Daniel 11:7-9
A "branch of her roots" will come with an army. This was Berenice's brother, Ptolemy III Euregetes, "the king of the south".
"The king of the north" is Seleucus II Kallinikos, son of Laodice who was defeated in a later invasion of Egypt. He lost most of Asia Minor along with losing to the military expansion of Ptolemy III who put his mother, Laodice, to death.
Verse 9: "And [the king of the north] will enter into the kingdom of the king of the south, but will return to his own land". (literal translation)
Seleucus II, son of the deceased Laodice, sought revenge for the vengeance taken by Ptolemy III. "Justin says that he fitted out a great fleet, which was destroyed by a violent storm; and after this he raised a great army to recover his dominion, but was defeated by Ptolemy, and fled in great terror and trembling to Antioch" (Gill's Commentary).

Daniel 11:10-12
His ["the king of the north"] sons = Seleucus III Ceraunus and Antiochus III the Great.
"The king of the north" = Antiochus III, the Great.
"The king of the south" = Ptolemy IV Philopator.
Ptolemy IV defeated the much larger army of Antiochus III at the Battle of Raphia in 217.

Daniel 11:13-17
"The king of the south" = Ptolemy V Epiphanes.
"The king of the north" = Antiochus III.
Antiochus III gives his daughter Cleopatra I to Ptolemy V, in hopes of permanent influence in Egypt.
Verse 14a: "And in those times many will rise against the king of the south".
At this time, many of the Egyptians began rebelling against the ruling Grecian family and began rioting and defying them.

Verse 14b: "And the sons of the violent ones of your people shall rise up to establish the vision, but they shall stumble". (LIT)
This verse speaks of the violent sons of Daniel's nation. Many commentators suggest that these people will stand up against the king of the south, but this text foretells that these people will lift themselves up to establish the vision. They were called a violent people by Ezekiel who in this way described them as shedders of blood. (18:10a) The word vision [in Aramaic chezev; in Hebrew chazown] is used in the Book of Daniel e.g. in: 7:1,2,7,13,15; 8:1,2,13,15,17,26; 9:24; 10:14; 11:14. All of these visions prophecy of the future persecution of God's nation, that would be fulfilled in the distant future. (Daniel 8:17; 10:14)
What kind of violent people would lift themselves in the ancient time, to fulfill the inspired visions and prophecies before their time? The First Book of the Maccabees clearly indicates the Maccabees as being these violent people. (1:54; 6:7) Until now, many commentators believe that the Maccabees fulfilled the prophecies of the Book of Daniel. But Jesus said that the vision which concerns the abomination of desolation and the persecutions of God's nation will be fulfilled in the future. (Compare Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13:1-Cool

Verse 11:16b "and he standeth in the desirable land, and it is wholly in his hand". (YLT)
After one hundred years, Palestine again changed hands. The Seleucid king, Antiochus III, took control of Palestine c. 200 B.C.E.

Daniel 11:18
Antioch III against the Roman Empire.
"Ruler" = Lucius Cornelius, the Roman general.
The Romans humbled him (191) at Thermopylae and again at Magnesia (190).

Daniel 11:19a
Subsequently, Antiochus was forced to campaign within his own lands to stop his satraps from declaring themselves independent rulers.

Daniel 11:19b
"He shall stumble and fall, and shall not be found" = end of the period of greatness for the Seleucid Empire. (Compare Revelation 18:21; Jeremiah 51:64)

Daniel 11:20
"And stood up on his station hath one causing an exactor to pass over the honour of the kingdom, and in a few days he is destroyed, and not in anger, nor in battle". (YLT)

"The king of the north" = Caesar Augustus. The first Roman emperor.
"The king of the south" not on the scene.

In 2 B.C., Augustus sent out "an exactor" by ordering a registration, or census, most likely to learn the size of the population for purposes of taxation and military conscription. Because of this decree, Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem for registration, resulting in Jesus' birth at that foretold location. (Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:1-12)

Daniel didn’t prophecy that "the king of the north" would die "after a few days" from this event, but would die in the undetermined future "after a few days". In the end of July, in the year 14 A.D., August left Rome. He took a vacation in his old age and health. On the 19th of August, after a short sickness, he "passed away peacefully, not feeling any pain". While traveling in Campania, Augustus died "in a few days", neither "in anger" at an assassin's hands nor "in warfare", but after a short illness.

Many say that "the king of the north" is Seleucus IV Philopater, who sent out his finance minister, Heliodorus to collect taxes. But Seleucus was murdered in a conspiracy engineered by Heliodorus. It is said that the king here was to however die a natural death (not one of anger or of battle). Therefore, this writing does not conform to Seleucus IV. Also, verse 21 cannot carry over to the rule of Antiochus IV Epiphanes.

Daniel 11:21-23
Verse 21: "And in his place shall arise a despised. And they will not give him the royal majesty. He will come in a time of peace and will seize the kingdom through duplicity".

"The king of the north" = Tiberius 14-37.
"The king of the south" not on the scene.

"The ruler of the covenant" = Jesus [Yeshua].

Augustus only chose him after more favored heirs had died.
The New Encyclopædia Britannica says, Tiberius played politics with the Senate and did not allow it to name him emperor for almost a month [after Augustus died]". He told the Senate that no one but Augustus was capable of carrying the burden of ruling the Roman Empire and asked the senators to restore the republic by entrusting such authority to a group of men rather than to one man. "Not daring to take him at his word", wrote historian Will Durant, "the Senate exchanged bows with him until at last he accepted power". Durant added: "The play was well acted on both sides. Tiberius wanted the principate, or he would have found some way to evade it; the Senate feared and hated him, but shrank from reestablishing a republic based, like the old, upon theoretically sovereign assemblies". Thus, Tiberius took hold of the kingdom by means of duplicity.

Verse 22: "And the arms of the flood shall be swept from before his face, and they will be broken, and also the ruler of a covenant".

In 15 A.D., Germanicus led his forces against the German hero Arminius, with some success. However, the limited victories were won at great cost, and Tiberius thereafter aborted operations in Germany. Instead, by promoting civil war, he tried to prevent German tribes from uniting. Tiberius generally favoured a defensive foreign policy and focused on strengthening the frontiers. This stance was fairly successful. In this way "the arms of the flood" were controlled and were "broken".
"Broken" too was "the Leader of the covenant" = Jesus [Yeshua]. (Compare Isaiah 55:4; Daniel 9:25, 27a)

Verse 23: "And after they join themselves to him, he will do guile, and he will exalt himself, and will do strong by a few of the people".

The oath of loyalty bound the army and officials to the Tiberius.
"Sextus Pompeius and Sextus Apuleius, the consuls, were the first to swear allegiance to Tiberius Caesar, and in their presence the oath was taken by Seius Strabo and Caius Turranius, respectively the commander of the praetorian cohorts and the superintendent of the corn supplies. Then the Senate, the soldiers and the people did the same".
Those few people were the Roman Praetorian Guard, encamped close to Rome's walls. Its proximity intimidated the Senate and helped Tiberius keep in check any uprisings against his authority among the populace. By means of some 10.000 guards Tiberius remained mighty.

Daniel 11:24
"In a time of peace he will come against [sense: will attack] the fattest [sense: mighty] of the land, and he will do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers: prey, and spoil, and substance, their possession he will distribute. And against strongholds he will devise his schemes until the appointed time".

"The king of the north" = Tiberius and next emperors.
"The king of the south" not on the scene.

The word "mashman" refers here to fattest [sense: mighty]. (Compare Ps.78:31 and Is.10:16)
Because he was very suspicious, Emperor Tiberius, extended the law of laesa majestas. Many senators were put to death on a charge of treason against the emperor. For the people of the provinces, it was a peaceful and well-ordered time.

Daniel 11:25,26a
Aurelian (270-275) against Queen Zenobia of Palmyra ["the king of the south"].

The Palmyrene army occupied Egypt in 269 B.C.E. under the pretext of making it secure for Rome. Zenobia wanted to make Palmyra the dominant city in the east and wanted to rule over Rome's eastern provinces. Alarmed by her ambition, Aurelian aroused "his power and his heart" to proceed against Zenobia.
Zenobia valiantly defended it, but without success. She and her son fled toward Persia, only to be captured by the Romans at the Euphrates River. The Palmyrenes surrendered their city in 272 B.C. Aurelian spared Zenobia, making her the prize feature in his triumphal procession through Rome in 274 B.C. She spent the rest of her life as a Roman matron.
Aurelian himself 'did not stand because of schemes against him.' In 275 B.C., he set out on an expedition against the Persians. While he was waiting in Thrace for the opportunity to cross the straits into Asia Minor, those who 'ate his food' carried out schemes against him and brought about his "breakdown". He was going to call his secretary Eros to account for irregularities. Eros, however, forged a list of names of certain officers marked for death. The sight of this list moved the officers to plot Aurelian's assassination and to murder him.

Daniel 11:26b. (Compare Daniel 9:26b)
"and his army will be flooded and many will fall down slain".

Decline and fall of the Roman Empire.

"The strength of Aurelian had crushed on every side the enemies of Rome. After his death they seemed to revive with an increase of fury and of numbers".

Daniel 11:27
"And both these kings, their hearts (will be) to do mischief, and at one table (they) will speak a lie. But it will not succeed, for yet (the) finish to (the) appointed time." (11:27, literal translation)
It certainly suggests that the verse does not concern to the ancient times. It describes the end of times right before the appointed time. (Compare Daniel 11:29a)

Russia and England (from second half of the XIX Century).

Egyptian history dates back to about 4000 B.C., when the kingdoms of upper and lower Egypt, already highly sophisticated, were united. Egypt's golden age coincided with the 18th and 19th dynasties (16th to 13th century B.C.), during which the empire was established. Persia conquered Egypt in 525 B.C.E, Alexander the Great subdued it in 332 B.C.E., and then the Ptolemaic dynasty ruled the land until 30 B.C., when Cleopatra, last of the line, committed suicide and Egypt became a Roman, then Byzantine, province. Arab caliphs ruled Egypt from 641 until 1517, when the Turks took it for their Ottoman Empire. Napoléon's armies occupied the country from 1798 to 1801. In 1805, Mohammed Ali, leader of a band of Albanian soldiers, became pasha of Egypt. After completion of the Suez Canal in 1869, the French and British took increasing interest in Egypt. British troops occupied Egypt in 1882, and British resident agents became its actual administrators, though it remained under nominal Turkish sovereignty. In 1914, this fiction was ended, and Egypt became a protectorate of Britain.
Russia grew expanding its power over huge regions, and by the end of XIX century Russia possessed territories from the mouths of the Danube and Visla in the west, reached the Pacific Ocean in the east, began in the Euroasian tundra in the north and had borders with Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan and China in the south.

In 1907, an Anglo-Russian agreement divided Persia into English and Russian spheres of influence, a large Russian sphere in the north, covering the most valuable part of the country, a neutral sphere in the centre, and a smaller British sphere in the southeast.

Daniel 11:28
"And (he) ["the king of the north"] will go back (to) his land with great wealth; and his heart (will be) against the holy covenant; and will act effectively; and turned back to his own land." (literal translation)

History of Russia after World War II.

The passage contains enough details, which allow for a correct interpretation.

Daniel foretells here that "the king of the north" [Russia] will not only be successful in WW II, but also that he returns to his land with a great amount of goods. If only Hitler had listened to Mussolini and the Japanese, who in 1943 advised him to stop military actions, the prophetic detail would have never been fulfilled.

Daniel 11:28b
"and turned back to his own land".

The break-up of the Soviet Union and return to the country of Russian garrisons (the liquidation of Russian military bases).

The prophecy of Daniel 11 is the key to understanding what is going to happen in the future.

The latter statements Jesus' and Daniel's are alike.


Matthew 24:5,6 (Luke 21:8,9) = Daniel 11:27,28 = XIX, XX, XXI Century, before the World War III

"Many for will come in the name of me, saying: 'I am the anointed'; and many they will mislead." (Matthew 24:5, literal translation)

"He said, 'Watch out that you don't get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, 'I AM,' and, 'The time is at hand.' Therefore don't follow them." (Luke 21:8, WEB)

"Don't be afraid when you hear of wars and revolutions; such things must happen first, but they do not mean that the end is near." (Luke 21:9, GNB)

Matthew 24:7 = Daniel 11:29,30 = WW III

Matthew 24:15 = Daniel 11:31 = "trampling of Jerusalem" [the great tribulation of Christian minorities; compare Revelation 11]

Matthew 24:29 = Daniel 11:40 = WW IV

Daniel 11:29a
"At (the) appointed time (he) will return, and will enter into (the) south."

1. Russian troops will be station abroad again.
2. "The king of the north" will come into the South.

Daniel 11:29b,30
"But will not be as (the) former or as (the) latter. For will come against him (the) dwellers of coastlands of Kittim, and (he) will be humbled, and will return." (literal translation)

1. The West will come against the Russia.
2. "The king of the north" will be humbled, and will return.
(Compare Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4)

Daniel 11:31
1. The nations will trample "the holy city" [of those who belong to Christ] forty-two months. (Compare Revelation 11:2,7; 13:5,7a; Luke 21:24b; Matthew 24:21,22; Daniel 7:25; 9:27; Isaiah 29:1-8,20-24; Matthew 13:40-43,49,50; Ezekiel 13:8-16,20-23; 34:10; 2Thessalonians 2:8b; Isaiah 28:1-4,17-22; 6:13; Malachi 3:1-5)

The religious organizations from among Christian minorities which Jesus compared to "the weeds", will be "burned". (Mt.13:30) Yahoueh will protect the righteous ones. (Re.11:1) "The wheat" will be put into "the storehouse" after the tribulation – which means that "the sons of the kingdom" will become gathered and unified at that time. They will shine as brightly as the sun after the tribulation.

2. "The abomination of desolation" [the World Government] will be set up. (Revelation 13:7b; Daniel 12:11)

Daniel 11:32-35
Details of their future global religious persecution. (Compare Daniel 8:11,12; Revelation 6:9-11; 12:15)

Daniel 11:36-39
Russia before the World War IV. (Compare Ezekiel 38:7)

Daniel 11:40
The World War IV. (Compare Luke 21:25; Isaiah 5:26-30; Matthew 24:29; Daniel 7:11; Revelation 13:3; Ezekiel 32:2-16; Habakkuk 1:5-17; Revelation 6:12; Zephaniah 1:14-18; Joel 2:1-11,31, ASV)

Daniel 11:41
Occupation of Israel. (Compare Ezekiel 39:23-29)

Daniel 11:42,43
The triumph of Russia. (Compare Isaiah 10:12-15)

Daniel 11:44,45
Russia again will attack Israel. (Compare Daniel 12:1; Joel 2:20; Isaiah 14:4-27; Habakkuk 3:3-16)

"Many will study, therefore understanding will be multiplied". (Daniel 12:4b)



What is the Bible's scenario?
1. Russian troops station abroad again. (Daniel 11:29a)

2. "The king of the north" becomes very aggressive and enters into the south. (Daniel 11:29a)

3. The West opposes Russia. (Daniel 11:30; Matthew 24:7a; Revelation 6:4)

4. "The king of the north" is humiliated, and turns back. (Daniel 11:30). He does not make the same mistake as Hitler did, he does not fight to the death and this is why Russia is not occupied.

5. The World Government appears after that war which replaces the ineffective UN. Its power gradually rises. (Revelation 13:1,2,7b; Daniel 11:31b)

6. Russia rebuilds its military power very fast and acts effectively on the world scene. (Daniel 11:30b)

7. "Russia’s rulers pay attention to those "who forsake the holy covenant". (Daniel 11:30b)

8. A man "of fierce countenance, and understanding ambiguous sayings" becomes the president of the USA, and he begins to fight with Christian minorities. (Daniel 8:23-25)

9. There is a tribulation of "Jerusalem" = it is a tribulation of Christian minorities, which lasts 42 month’s. (Daniel 11:31a; Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13:5-7a; Matthew 13:40-42,49,50; 24:48-51)

The Christian communities, which are now called sects, are decimated. It is the biggest genocide concerning religion in history. The eyes of people who were deceived by them will be opened. (Isaiah 6:9-13)

The "tyrant", according to LXX “lawless” = the rulers of Christian minorities will be removed. (Isaiah 29:1-8,20,21) Ezekiel calls them "women". (Ezekiel 13:17-23; Revelation 14:4a; Isaiah 3:12) Paul names them "the man of lawlessness". (2 Thessalonians 2:4,8b)

10. Immediately after the tribulation of those days "the abomination of desolation", in other words the World Government will be set up [will given authority; Revelation 13]. (Daniel 11:31b; 12:11) The Book of Revelation calls it a "beast". (11:7; 13:1,2,7,Cool

11. The spirit is poured out upon people who belong to Jesus. (Revelation 11:11-13) The "wheat" = the sons of kingdom, will be gathered into the "storehouse" after burning the "weeds" = organized Christian churches which earlier posed as the churches of Christ. (Matthew 13:30b; Eph.1:9,10) And then Jesus will set up a "faithful slave" over his whole possession. (Matthew 24:45-47)

12. The seven trumpets start to sound. Those who belong to Jesus are revealing future events to the World. They will also try to explain what God thinks of certain issues. (Revelation 8:6-10:11)

13. The power in Russia will be taken over by a dictator who is atheist. The military power will be his god. (Daniel 11:36-39)

14. Not longer after that, there will be the WWIV. That time Russia will triumph the same as it did after the WWII. (Daniel 11:40; Daniel 7:11; Luke 21:25; Revelation 13:3a). "The king of the north" will act as a "God’s hammer" ravaging many countries like Babylon in ancient times. (Jeremiah 51:20,25)

15. Russia occupies Israel as well. (Daniel 11:41)

16. After that war the World Government is resuscitated. The "purple beast" will be given even more power. The politicians will relinquish their sovereignty in favor of the beast. (Revelation 13:14; 17:8,17)

17. Attack on "Babylon the Great" = big, apostatized churches, drunk with blood of innocent people, which betrayed God and Jesus by co-operating with kings of the earth. (Revelation 17:16)

18. Next, nations see the sign of the Son of man (Matthew 24:30). Probably it will be connected with the first resurrection (Revelation 20:6). People who have died in union with Jesus will rise first (among 144.000). They will get a spirit body at the resurrection. (1 Corinthians 15:35,44) What will be the proof of the resurrection? Immediately after that, remaining of 144,000 will be transfigured (1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17). Simultaneously they will be caught away from the earth and taken to heaven. The transfigurations of belonging to Jesus dependably will not be seen and it will cause a great expression on nations.

19. The whole nation of Israel is converting and gathering. (Ezekiel 39:25-29; Romans 11:25-32). After taking to heaven belonging to group of 144,000 nation of Israel will be a light for the nations. God will be with them and will pour his spirit over them. (Ezekiel 39:29)

20. Rebuilding of the Temple according to directions given to Ezekiel. (Ezekiel 37:24-28; 43:11)

21. There will be collection of chosen, separation the "sheep from the goats". (Matthew 24:31; 25:31-44; Revelation 14:15,16).

22. "The king of the north" will attack people who worship the true God [Israel] (Ezekiel 38:10-12). "The beast" [the word government] also will take part in this attack. (Revelation 19:19).

23. After Armageddon the power on the world will be taken over by the "new heaven" = the kingdom of God i.e. Jesus and belonging to him. (Daniel 7:27; Matthew 6:10; Revelation 21:1-4) "The old heaven" = imperfect system of authority created by man will go away. Rules and the law created by imperfect people which are captivating and making difficulty will be untied. All activities remaining uncovered, good or bad will be revealed, all crimes will come to light. (2 Peter 3:10; 1 Timothy 5:25).

24. The rest of dead will come to life! The earth will become the paradise. (Acts 24:15; Psalm 37:29; Isaiah 11:6-9; 25:8; 35:5-7). When the thousand year’s period of Jesus’ kingdom will end people who come to life during this period are put to the test. And then they will really come to life God’s point of view and then they will get ability to live forever. (Revelation 20:5a,7,8; comp. Luke 15:32; 1 John 3:14).



"Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth will I cause you to hear them". (Isaiah 42:9)

see suzi? you ignore Genesis 10, the Table of Nations and thus pervert and twist scripture to conform to your insanity..which is distorted and deformed..............capiche? thumbs up

http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/OTeSources/01-Genesis/Text/Articles-Books/Ross-TableNations-BSac.pdf

The Table of Nations in
Genesis 10--Its Content
Allen P. Ross
The previous article in this series dealt with the structure of
the Table of Nations in Genesis 10.1 The deliberate design in its
construction, symmetry, and unity were examined in an effort to
understand its purpose as a tOdl;OT. But in addition to the evi-
deuce from its structure, there is a wealth of information about
the nations of the world that is important for the complete under-
standing of this chapter within the message of Genesis.
The Analysis of the Passage
The heading of the chapter (Gen. 10:1) declares that this is
the record of the particulars of what became of Shem, Ham, and
Japheth after the Flood. The verse serves not only as a heading for
the Table, but also as a literary connection back to Genesis 9:18
and 28. It is to be read with the oracle of Noah in mind!....................The sons of Japheth are seven. Gomer, mentioned also in
Ezekiel 38:6, represents the Cimmerians, thought to be of the
same stock as the Scythians.5 Magog is also mentioned in Ezekiel
(38:2 and 39:6) as the land of Gog, the region between Armenia
and Cappadocia; the name seems to represent the Scythian
hordes southeast of the Black Sea.6
..............
THE SONS OF HAM (10:6-20)
More attention is given to the line of Ham than to that of
Japheth or Shem. Ham's line has four branches: Cush, Mizraim,
Put, and Canaan. All four are probably place names for Nubia-
Egypt, Upper and Lower Egypt, Libya, and Phoenicia-Palestine
respectively. In addition, the descendants of these four are both
places and tribes.
Ham is the ancestor of all these people from Phoenicia to
Africa. The etymology of the word Ham is disputed,18 but it is
used to depict countries in close proximity to Egypt.
Cush is the "eldest son" according to the plan of the Table. In
antiquity this was an independent kingdom on the southern
flank of Egypt; and especially during the reign of Kamose it
served as the backbone of the Egyptian army, helping to expel the
Asiatics (Hyksos).19 So the list begins in the far south with the
African tribes known to the Greeks as Ethiopians.

Mizraim lies to the north of Cush. The word occurs almost
ninety times in the Old Testament for Egypt.
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lilly: when you lie, twist and deform Scripture you are hurting yourself.......... thumbs up .............The biblical commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and restrictions on people limiting their freedom, but as a Divine Communication that can be seen as generous; teaching, instructing(Torah); Humanbeings how life works and what to do and not do to make the best of it. thumbs up

Within the mitzvot/commandments are all the instructions(Torah) neccessary for human conduct in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap great benefit from living within alignment with the Laws of the Universe.

Who is wise?

They who can foresee the consequences of their action. thumbs up

In Hebraic/Biblical thought, the whole function of the Torah(instruction) is to turn the soul away from the things of the 'Flesh'; from egoistic to altruistic...........During our life our soul either attaches to the things of the 'flesh'---to the Path of Darkness; or it attaches to the things of the Spirit.............becoming a Child of the Light........ thumbs up
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Genesis-Bereshith: In the Beginning
26And Elohim said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the livestock, and over all the earth and over all the creeping creatures that creep on the earth.”

27And Elohim created the man in His image, in the image of Elohim He created him – male and female He created them.

28And Elohim blessed them, and Elohim said to them, “Bear fruit and increase, and fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over all creatures moving on the earth.”

29And Elohim said, “See, I have given you every plant that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it is for food.

30“And to every beast of the earth, and to every bird of the heavens, and to every creeping creature on the earth, in which there is life, every green plant is for food.” And it came to be so. 31And Elohim saw all that He had made, and see, it was very good.

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of YHWH/God

1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity

As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The Jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the Jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people."

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for YHWHs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, YHWH invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikkun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of YHWH/God play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.

Summarized

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over all its enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of Lifes’ capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Christians

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is YHWH/God-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* YHWH, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: YHWH

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of God'

* This emergence of "The Image of God" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Christians.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of God' Consciousness is so much like YHWHs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, the Human 'Image of YHWH/God has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* YHWH has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of God', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikkun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that YHWHs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Christians alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of God/YHWH brings with it more God like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of YHWH/God; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh

The Sinai Event was the ultimate Social Engineering event.

The Torah is the first, and oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet/ Alphabet........this alters the hegemony of the Brain to being left hemispherical centric=Abstract, linear and sequential. the ground for Theoretical Science....


THE UNIVERSAL DESIRE FOR CLOSENESS TO God...AND THE SECRET OF THE SABBATH by Rabbi Chaim Richman

The following teaching from the riches of the Oral Tradition is about a level of understanding the Sabbath which is relevant to Jews and non-Jews alike. It is based on a teaching by Rabbi Chaim ben Atar (1746-1793), known as "the holy Light of Life," based on the title of his most famous work.

I. The World Intuitively Pines for G-d
Man - The Centerpiece of Creation
The created world can be divided into four basic categories: the inanimate, plant, animal, and 'speaking' life - man. Man, the highest level of creation, is the only creature endowed with the capability of speech, and this is what singles him out as a completely separate category - he has the greatest potential to develop a relationship with his Creator. He is the center of creation and its purpose and crowning achievement. For this reason, he was created last, and introduced into the Garden... to enable him to enter into a complete world, ready for him, furnished and equipped in advance to house its illustrious occupant.

Every Level of Creation Possesses a Soul
Man is followed by the members of the animal kingdom. Next in line comes the plant kingdom, and finally, inanimate creation - the lowest level of creation, as exemplified by stone. Even stone, the Torah teaches, possesses some degree of life-force, however weak. For it is impossible for something which the Holy One has created to be incapable of recognizing Him. Therefore, commensurate to that degree of life-force, awareness of the Divine could be said to exist within it...

Desire for Closeness to G-d... The Prime Mover
And so the soul, the essence, of every creature, each according to its level of understanding, has some inkling of the greatness of the Creator, and actually carries on a relationship with Him. This soul is constantly driven with endless passion to come closer to the source of all life, the Great and Perfect Light of the L-rd... how much more so should this be true among the higher, more spiritual elements of creation who understand to some extent what it means to 'cling' to the light of the living G-d.

All of Creation is United in the Desire for Closeness to G-d
Herein lies one of the greatest secrets of creation...

All life on earth... and even the actual physical elements that comprise the planet itself - the entire world as one, including every level of creation, from the lowest level of the inanimate - stones and earth, to the highest and most intelligent life-form, man himself; an endless pageant which spans every creature, plant and animal - all are constantly and inexorably united by an all-consuming, burning desire for G-d. This is the vital force which drives the world; this desire is the power which fuels the universe... it reverberates within the entire life-force, and the whole globe, like a man beating with one heart, knows on the deepest level with absolute clarity that there is nothing as sweet, desirable, and sustaining as 'Dveykut' - the ability to 'cling' close to the light of the Creator. This is the purpose of life itself, and on the deepest collective intuitive level, all are aware that nothing else is worth living for. This longing is itself the vital life-force of everything, and the entire world draws from it at once. In other words, this longing for G-d is what fuels the world to go on.

Because G-d is the Creator of all existence, He maintains an intimate link with each and every creature, regardless of its spiritual capacity. Obviously not all of creation is equal in spiritual sensitivity. Regardless of this, that link of intimate knowledge still exists, according to its degree of conciousness and development.

Three Revolutionary Innovations in Human History took place at Mount Sinai.

1: Abstract Ethical Monotheism

2: Universal Codified Law

3: An Alephbet 1,800 BCE

Abstract Ethical Monotheism rather than Polytheism, Rule of Law for All rather than the Divine Rights of Kings or Queens and an Aleph/Bet, less than thirty characters that replaced Iconographs/Ideograms and Hieroglyphs, enhancing Literacy amongst the masses.

The abstraction of all three innovations were mutually reinforcing.

YHWH/God proclaimed that there exists a Codex of morality that stands above Human intercourse.

The 10 Commandments applied universally to everyone. no King, Pharoah, or Potentate was above the Law.

Refutes the rubric that 'Might makes Right'.

YHWH/God expected all His Chosen People TO READ what He inspired to be written.

The Pentateuch is the oldest Religious Book written in an Alephbet-Alphabet. Prior books were written in Cuneiform, Hieroglyphs etc......

YHWH forbade anyone from visualizing Him. No Images. No Idolatry.

He sanctioned only the written word.

This promulgates equality and openness.

An overarching Theme of the Pentateuch, and ensuing Books of the Bible is: Justice for all.

A distinguishing feature of the Pentateuch from other belief systems of the Time is its dominating Theme of: Righteousness,

Living a pious life and obeying written law was/is more important than winning Battles, honouring the King, or sacrificing to a local god.

Justice for all was a unique community standard in an era when the dominant principle was a raised and clenched fist.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, the Exodus begins with the people shackled slaves.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, Yahweh 'Chose' the people rather than the people choosing their god.
This rediscovery allows each to uncover and affirm each others’ role in the Divine Plan. The Kingdom of Yahweh is advanced and comes closer.

'You are my witnesses says YHWH/God' Isaiah 43:10
The People of Israel are YHWHs Servants, 'Chosen' to witness to the loving Creator and the Divine Plan for Humanity and the Cosmos.

The People of Israel = not just the Israelis, or Jews, but to all who affirm that Yahweh has made a valid Covenant with Abraham and his descendants and all who take up the task of World Redemption so that the covenant can be fulfilled.

For that is the purpose of making the covenant.

Xns and Muslims are recognized as Abrahams children when they purge themselves of Supersessionist claims and hatred of Jews.

To be True to its Witness, the People of Israel tell 3 Stories to the World, the rest of Humanity, in the presence of Yahweh and in the presence of their fellow Humans.

1: They tell the Story of Creation, the Divine Vision of an intended perfect World. Jew & Xn stake their existence that this World will come to be.

2: The Story of the Covenant, the process operating between a Divine-Human partnership whereby our imperfect World will be brought back to that state of Perfection.

3: The Story of Redemption-sometimes called: 'The End of Days'-'The Messiah Story'-which is the culmination and realization of the process.

At the end, Holistic perfection will be achieved.
Peace between Humans.

Between Humans and all the rest of Life, between all Life and Nature itself, and between all of the above and Yahweh.

Three Stories add up to one comprehensive Story: The Triumph of Life

Before Monotheism there had never been Religious Warfare.

The Polytheistic Cultures were live and let live about other culture Deities and often borrowed and share aspects.

The Polytheistic Deities were usually Local Deities, not Universe/Worldwide.

Polytheist had National gods, Local gods, family gods and personal gods, even their pet animals had gods.

Abstract Ethical Monotheism was a Major Advance along the road to Enlightenment, but came at a high cost.

Abstract Ethical Monotheism encouraged people to think in new ways. An Abstract Ethical Monotheistic Creator Being not tied to a concrete Image/Picture is a very Abstract Concept..

Abstraction is a crucial component of Logical Reasoning and its use can liberate people from superstition.

Devotion to an Abstract Deity has a Heavy price.

If everyone agrees there is only one, true, Living Creator Being, and different groups conceive of it in different ways, then whose perception of that Deity is the correct one?

Examine each groups’ values and praxis.

Different perceptions have inspired some groups to wage war and engage in forced conversions.

This never occurred in Polytheistic Cultures.

They had many wars but for the usual mundane reasons, Land, Treasure, Women, Power over others for the sake of Power alone, but they never waged Religious War.

One effect of an Alphabetic based Abstract Ethical Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather than the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.

The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerant of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.

This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.

As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.

When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this so upset Moses he dropped the two stone Tablets upon which YHWH/God had written the ten commandments.


Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Image and Written Word, both were destroyed.

As the story goes, Moses returned to the Mountain Top and Yahweh provided him with another set.

The 10 Commandments; The first four Commandments are for the Recognition and service/Worship of YHWH/God, the remaining six focus on our fellow humans, loving and serving them.

The Commandment to Honour Both Father and Mother elevates and recognizes the importance and status of Women in the Family Group.

Love your neighbour is not one of the Ten but appears in the Torah/Instruction, Leviticus 19:18.

The last six commandments are not unusual, and found in other Codices of Laws, The First four Commandments are Unique.

Each one of the first four commandments encourages Alphabetic Literacy by rejecting the Right Brains way of 'knowing'.

One effect of a new, abstract, linear, sequential and reductionist means of communication moves people who learn it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode.

Social Engineering.

The Ethics they embody are more sophisticated than other contemporary Ancient Near East Cultures.

The First Commandment:

20:2 I am Yahweh thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

20:3 Thou shall have no other elohim before me.

In one fell swoop demoted all other elohim/gods & goddesses to nothings.

Nothing personal, it was business.

The Meta-Message of the First Commandment is that Yahweh is the Master of the Universe, He is self-existent, and all other elohim/gods & goddesses are created beings, subservient to Him.

Psalm 82

82:1 Yahweh stands in the congregation of El; he judges among the elohim.

82:2 How long will you judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

82:6 I have said, You are elohim; and all of you are children of the most High.

82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

82:8 Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth: for thou shall inherit all nations.

All of Yahwehs’ Titles are masculine.

The First Commandment is a radical break with the Hebrews past environment. Moses and the Hebrews had left Egypt which was Polytheistic, alot of gods and goddesses worship.

Yahweh declares there is no worship of other gods or goddesses.

Perhaps the most radical sentence ever written.

The Second Commandment:

20:4 Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I; Yahweh thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

No Graven Images, Icons or Idols, Statues.

Learning to think without Images is indispensable to Alphabetic Literacy. The Power formerly rendered to Images/Pictures is now transferred to the written word.

Make no Graven Images is a ban/restraint on Right Brain Pattern Recognition.

The Third Commandment:

20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Yahweh thy Elohim in vain; for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Do not use Yahwehs Name vainly, with Malintent. Again; Left Brain.

Yahwehs first instruction to adam isto Name all the critters. Through Naming, Adam attains dominion over all the Earth. Naming confers meaning and order, moving Life from Chaos to Order.

To Name is to know, to know is to control. Order out of Chaos.

The Fourth Commandment:

20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

20:11 For in six days made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Seven Days are not a Natural Break Point in any of Earths Major Natural Rhythmic Cycles-Lunar-Solar, except the Quarter Moon.

This facilitates the learning of Arithmetic.

Leviticus 25:3-10 is about the Jubilee Years, the 50th,

No other Ancient Near East culture at that time had instructed the general population to compute complex time periods, this had formerly been the domain of the Priestly Castes.

The Time Commandment lays the foundation for the concept of Justice, a well developed sense of Linear Time is necessary to conceive of Punishment delayed and Rewards postponed.

Non-Literate Cultures are not as pre-occupied with the notion/concept of Justice as the Literate, because they do not conceive of time only as linear.

Non-Literate Societies tend to think of death as a passage to another World, not as a Day in Court.

Alphabets stretch out the sense of Time and make possible the awareness of the possibility of a retribution Time in the distant future.

A Judgement Day only occurs in Literate Cultures.

Alphabet Literate Cultures became aware of writing History in a Linear, Chronological sequencing of Events.

The fourth Commandments Mechanical/Sociological ramifications is instructing people to be aware of Passing Time.

This was the advent of the seven day week, and a day off every week.

A day off for ALL Humans, Free and Bond, and ALL Beasts of Burden one day a week and the Farmland to lay fallow every seven years to rejuvinate the enzymes in the ground.

This led to Sundials, waterclocks, Pendulums, Escape Mechanisms, Cogs, Gears, Calenders.

Time is a key function of the Left Brain.

Each of the First Four Commandments trains people in the ability to: Think Abstractly, linearly and sequentially.

Collectively, they produce a Mindset that enhances the use and facility of Alphabetic Literacy.

This Technology welded the small group into a cohesive and coherent Nation/Culture.

What occurred at/in Sinai was unique, the Authority of the Written Word superseded the authority of the Image.

Reiterating the Revolutionary Innovations that occurred at Mount Sinai:

1: Abstract Ethical Monotheism emerged,

2:Universal Codified Laws establishing Moral Ethics

3: The Alephbet-Proto Alphabet emerged. The Hebrews reduced thosands of Images/Hieroglyphs/Petroglyphs/Ideograms/Pictograms into two dozen Characters, enabling Universal Literacy

For the first time ever, Religion demanded the follower be Literate. It is Commanded the Fathers obtain Scrolls of the Torah and teach them to their children.

Moses Commanded; Thou shall read the Law before all Israel Deut-31:10,11

The Reading of the Torah remains the most sacred obligation of every Jew.

Yahweh was concerned, unlike other gods, about the actions of everyone of His people.

Yahweh actually cares.

If someone was cheating/exploiting widows and orphans, mistreating strangers and slaves.etc.......YHWH knew and became wrathful.

The polytheistic gods did not.

Yahweh in His written Laws provided preventive Medicine, unknown to Egypt and Mesopotamia.

He explicitly spelled out in excruciating detail and minutia exactly what He expected from each and every Israelite.

Each Israelite established a personal relationship with Yahweh.

All of Yahwehs Laws were written down and everybody knew them.

It was an absolute Judaic condition that every male was literate.

Ignorance of the Law was no defence.

The Hebrews were the first culture to universally embrace Alphabetic writing, the Torah is the first/oldest Religious Book written in an Alphabet.

The 10 Commandments were transmitted in a written Alephbetic form; Paleo-Hebrew.

Abstract letters/grammatical sequence/uniconsonantal phenomes.

The Alephbet/Alphabet introduced and enabled the possibility of Universal Literacy

So once upon a time in the Sinai Desert a radical new communication technology emerged that would forever change cultural perceptions and that the first people to utilize it would introduce fundamental principles and features underpinning Western Civilisation.

Historical Data: Proto-Sinaitic Alephbet=precursor of the Alphabet.

Discovered by Sir William Flinders Petrie, very early 20th century. Dated to: 1,800 BCE

Egyptian Coptic 2,000 years later/after

Tell el Armana Cache Phoenician 1,450 BCE letters from Canaanite Leaders to Akhenaton were scribed in Cuneiform

Akkadian Cuneiform in usage after Sumerian Conquest.

An amazing vortex of Science and History occurred in the Sinai that the worlds’ oldest alphabet was found where the Hebrew Nation had their seminal experience.

Yet another Unique Concept brought forth at Mount Sinai is the Concept of Free Will.

Throughout the Ancient Near East, Babylon, Egypt etc......humans 'believed their fate, destiny was in the hands of the gods.

The Sinaitic Covenant convinced the Israelites that every decision was theirs to make: Choose Life or Choose Death.

The choice between Right and Wrong was upon the individual. This beget the concept of Guilt, 'Guilty Conscious'; an internal Quality Control.

Moral Relativists may consider this an ambiguous area, but is it really?


Bottom Line of what occurred at Sinai, those many years ago, the Power that once had been given to pictures was transferred to written words.

The Power of the Right Brain was Transferred to the Left Brain.

The Alephbet/Alphabet is the Bibles Eminence Grise-The unsuspected power.



Superorganisms/memes compete, as one Entelechy rises, others fall.

Of all the Ancient Near East Superorganisms/Memes, only the Jews have survivied.

Alphabetic Literacy profoundly reconfigured the relationship between the Hebrews and their Deity and between the Hebrews and their neighbours. The other ANE cultures.

The Jews have an unshakable faith.

The Religious beliefs of the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites, Hyskos, Hurrians, Cretans, Mittani, Assyrians, Persians, Canaanites, Ugarites, Akkadians, Egyptians, Greeks, Phoenicians, Philistines, and Roman Belief Systems have diminished greatly and most have disappeared.
The Hebrew Faith has withstood the Viscitudes of times, surviving catastrophes that should have extinguished them.
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Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:28 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Hail warning across Victoria







5:08PM
Brigid OConnell

GOLF-ball sized hailstones have pelted Ballarat as central and southwest Victoria prepare for more wild weather.






Hailstones the size of golf balls have been reported in Ballarat.
The Daily Telegraph

Hail warning across VictoriaOctober 22, 2011
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/hail-warning-across-state/story-e6frf7jo-1226173885738

Look at the thread title...what does it say?...and you spam with Aussie shit,keep it for your threads.
This is Tiswas's thread,fuckoff,until you show this fine sub-continental lady the respect she fucking deserves,now Gyppo thief,pissoff
Calling you a Gyppo thief to your face,is far more honest and brave than your mild,subtle racism,that everyone can see.Do not call them my Mob,you're not one of us...Gubba


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Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Queen hails Duntroon


If you're that patriotic for Oztralia,why did your son study fucking useless philosophy,when he could be making mum proud,stick him in military college at Duntroon,go and fight a foreign war on foreign soil,dumb as you are I'd say,he'd get his head blown off,that's if he does'nt break on recruit course,crying for mummy,like I bloody did.If he cops it,you got all the attention a whore like you longs for,fuck Munchausen by Proxy Syndrome,you might even get a cuddle from Julia Gillard,on camera...Mmmmmm,hugged and kissed by poisonous snakes,you'd prefer...but of course,they're family...snake woman

Billy Ruben wrote:
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Told you Kharma exist.
That bullshit signature you got,dogspunk...you said that email was hacked and forged,sent out something that incriminated you? I did'nt think you'd be worried about looking like an idiot,you do that well,without being reminded.


I post as and who I am;
independent, unaffiliated
and happy to discuss the
things 'they' desperately
tell the world, to reject,
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Isn't that the queens sister,Princess Anne.

I can see why you like the royals,good (in)breeders,like yourself there Lulzy.

Personally,I would'nt wipe my arse with you or the royals...and by God,like you,they're extremely ugly.
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Ciggy wrote:I see she's moved on from dogs to horses.

Cool!...still plenty of material to work with...



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Ciggy wrote:
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true lilly wrote:[size=24]What The [b]HELL is "FOUNDATION"?

It's makeup used by pretty girls, which is why you know fuckall about it.

she does'nt believe in "sex within marriage",it's not kinky,quirky,screwed up enough to ignite her fire...

It apparently has to involve dogs. Not that there's anything right with that...

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Post  true lilly on Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:00 pm

Victoria Police probe hacking allegations
relating to an ALP
electoral roll database

by:James Campbell
From:Sunday Herald Sun
November 13, 2011


The Age editor-in-chief Paul Ramadge did not return calls or text messages left by the Sunday Herald Sun.
Picture: David Crosling
The Sunday Telegraph

VICTORIA Police has launched a criminal investigation into
allegations senior reporters from The Age newspaper illegally hacked
into an ALP electoral roll database and searched the private details of
dozens of high-profile Victorians.


On Thursday morning detectives from VicPol's E-Crime Unit headed by the unit's boss,
John Manley executed a search warrant on the ALP's King St headquarters.

The warrant ordered Labor to surrender material relating to unauthorised access to the party's Eleczilla database during last year's state election and named reporters Royce
Millar and Nick McKenzie, the newspaper's editor-in-chief, Paul Ramadge, and senior editor Mark Baker.

The database, which Labor is legally entitled to hold, contains personal details of millions of Victorians including names, addresses, phone numbers and marital status as well as any confidential dealings between individuals and the party.

A Victoria Police spokeswoman confirmed on Friday the matter was under investigation.

"Victoria Police E-Crime Squad is investigating the allegation that personal details of Victorians were electronically accessed by a media outlet via a confidential political party database without authorisation," she said.

"As the investigation is active and ongoing we are not in a position to comment any further."
In April the Sunday Herald Sun revealed theALP had ordered an internal probe into the Eleczilla hacking.

Among the high-profile Victorians searched from inside The Age were broadcasters Neil Mitchell and Jon Faine, pollster Gary Morgan and Yarra councillor Stephen Jolly.
There also were attempts to search the surnames "Overland" and "Barnes". The
accessing of the database from within The Age allegedly took place over four days
in the lead-up to last November's state election.

That month the newspaper published a report by Mr Millar and Mr McKenzie that
said the newspaper had "gained access" to the ALP's database.

Mr Ramadge did not return voice and text messages left by the Sunday Herald Sun yesterday.

In June The Age's senior editor, Mr Baker, said: "There is nothing improper, unethical or illegal in the actions of The Age.

"The conduct of our reporters . . . was a wholly legitimate exercise of journalism."

While accessing the database, Age journalists also conducted
a string of key word searches
for words including
lesbian, abortion, corruption, gay, Muslim and privacy.


Three detectives from the E-Crime Unit, assisted by technical staff,
arrived unannounced at the ALP's King St headquarters on Thursday morning
with a warrant to seize material relating to The Age's alleged hacking.

They were acting on a complaint laid by
Victorian Electoral Commissioner Steve Tully.

Mr Tully had earlier contacted ALP state secretary Noah Carroll following the Sunday Herald Sun's reports on the matter.

ALP staff co-operated fully with police, who stayed for about three hours,
departing with data relating to the searches allegedly conducted by The Age.

Yesterday Yarra Cr Jolly - whose name was among those allegedly searched
by The Age - said that he was horrified by the allegations.

"People are innocent until proven guilty, but if journalists working for The Age
have been digging dirt on people's personal lives using illegal means, I
think that's outrageous and I think their peers and
also Age readers are
going to be shocked and horrified,"
he said.

"The Age ran very hard against News of the World
in England earlier in the year and if, through this criminal
investigation, they are caught with their pants down doing the same
thing, they need to take a really hard look at themselves."

Pollster Mr Morgan, whose details were also searched, said:
"If they've broken the law then they should be prosecuted."

A legal opinion seen by the Sunday Herald Sun argued
there were reasonable grounds for suspecting the newspaper's actions
breached the Commonwealth's Cybercrime Act 2001 as well as
the Victorian Crimes Act, which carries a penalty of up to two years in prison
for illegally accessing a secure database.


Under both laws,
to prove a crime, the hacker must have knowingly accessed restricted
data and the data must be restricted by an access control system.


In July, Mr Carroll said the party had "never granted any authorisation to The Age".
"Nor did we grant such authorisation to any person within the party to assist The Age
in such an endeavour," he said.

Yesterday Mr Carroll refused to comment on the matter. A spokesman for electoral
commissioner Mr Tully said it would be "inappropriate to comment as the matter is
in the hands of the police".

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