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Post  true lilly on Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:26 pm

"They" really mean, "SHUT UP ABOUT ALL THE HACKERS
BETRAYING AUSTRALIA and LOYAL AUSTRALIANS"...


Remember, it was DURING AUSTRALIA'S FEDERAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN -
when I complained to David Icke Official Forums Administration
about "them" MOVING THE NEWS I POSTED, ON THE ELECTION,
OUT OF "Today's News"
to "General" and BANNED ME FROM POSTING
IN "Their" "OFFICIAL ELECTION Thread
In "Today's News"
(which "they"
stated AFTER MY THREAD)
, and about "cori's" CONTINUED DEATH THREATS
(that didn't scare me off) - that "they" BANNED ME FROM THE WHOLE FORUM.


Victoria Police probe hacking allegations
relating to an ALP
electoral roll database

by:James Campbell
From:Sunday Herald Sun
November 13, 2011


The Age editor-in-chief Paul Ramadge did not return calls or text messages left by the Sunday Herald Sun.
Picture: David Crosling
The Sunday Telegraph

VICTORIA Police has launched a criminal investigation into
allegations senior reporters from The Age newspaper illegally hacked
into an ALP electoral roll database and searched the private details of
dozens of high-profile Victorians.


On Thursday morning detectives from VicPol's E-Crime Unit headed by the unit's boss,
John Manley executed a search warrant on the ALP's King St headquarters.

The warrant ordered Labor to surrender material relating to unauthorised
access to the party's Eleczilla database during last year's state
election and named reporters Royce
Millar and Nick McKenzie, the newspaper's editor-in-chief, Paul Ramadge, and senior editor Mark Baker.

The database, which Labor is legally entitled to hold, contains
personal details of millions of Victorians including names, addresses,
phone numbers and marital status as well as any confidential dealings
between individuals and the party.


A Victoria Police spokeswoman confirmed on Friday the matter was under investigation.

"Victoria
Police E-Crime Squad is investigating the allegation that personal
details of Victorians were electronically accessed by a media outlet via
a confidential political party database without authorisation," she
said.

"As the investigation is active and ongoing we are not in a position to comment any further."
In April the Sunday Herald Sun revealed theALP had ordered an internal probe into the Eleczilla hacking.

Among the high-profile Victorians searched from inside The Age were broadcasters Neil Mitchell and Jon Faine, pollster Gary Morgan and Yarra councillor Stephen Jolly.
There also were attempts to search the surnames "Overland" and "Barnes". The
accessing of the database from within The Age allegedly took place over four days
in the lead-up to last November's state election.

That month the newspaper published a report by Mr Millar and Mr McKenzie that
said the newspaper had "gained access" to the ALP's database.

Mr Ramadge did not return voice and text messages left by the Sunday Herald Sun yesterday.

In June The Age's senior editor, Mr Baker, said: "There is nothing improper, unethical or illegal in the actions of The Age.

"The conduct of our reporters . . . was a wholly legitimate exercise of journalism."

While accessing the database, Age journalists also conducted
a string of key word searches
for words including
lesbian, abortion, corruption, gay, Muslim and privacy.


Three detectives from the E-Crime Unit, assisted by technical staff,
arrived unannounced at the ALP's King St headquarters on Thursday morning
with a warrant to seize material relating to The Age's alleged hacking.

They were acting on a complaint laid by
Victorian Electoral Commissioner Steve Tully.

Mr Tully had earlier contacted ALP state secretary Noah Carroll following the Sunday Herald Sun's reports on the matter.

ALP staff co-operated fully with police, who stayed for about three hours,
departing with data relating to the searches allegedly conducted by The Age.

Yesterday Yarra Cr Jolly - whose name was among those allegedly searched
by The Age - said that he was horrified by the allegations.

"People are innocent until proven guilty, but if journalists working for The Age
have been digging dirt on people's personal lives using illegal means, I
think that's outrageous and I think their peers and
also Age readers are
going to be shocked and horrified,"
he said.

"The Age ran very hard against News of the World
in England earlier in the year and if, through this criminal
investigation, they are caught with their pants down doing the same
thing, they need to take a really hard look at themselves."

Pollster Mr Morgan, whose details were also searched, said:
"If they've broken the law then they should be prosecuted."

A legal opinion seen by the Sunday Herald Sun argued
there were reasonable grounds for suspecting the newspaper's actions
breached the Commonwealth's Cybercrime Act 2001 as well as
the Victorian Crimes Act, which carries a penalty of up to two years in prison
for illegally accessing a secure database.


Under both laws,
to prove a crime, the hacker must have knowingly accessed restricted
data and the data must be restricted by an access control system.


In July, Mr Carroll said the party had "never granted any authorisation to The Age".
"Nor did we grant such authorisation to any person within the party to assist The Age
in such an endeavour," he said.

Yesterday Mr Carroll refused to comment on the matter. A spokesman for electoral
commissioner Mr Tully said it would be "inappropriate to comment as the matter is
in the hands of the police".

campbelljam@heraldsun.com.au
true lilly wrote:Commonwealth Ombudsman to resign
Why are 'you' denying sizing THIS Headline, as
THE VERY IMPORTANT Headline it is?

Oh, the subject explains it.
'You' and 'your' fellow TRAITORS ARE BUSTED in it!


Commonwealth Ombudsman to resign
From: AAP
October 20, 2011 12:54AM

COMMONWEALTH Ombudsman Allan Asher
is set to announce his resignation after admitting
he wrote questions for a Greens senator
to ask him in a Senate committee hearing.


Fairfax reports the Gillard government has made it clear it had
lost confidence in Mr Asher because he penned questions about
under-funding for Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young
to ask him in a senate committee hearing
in May.


It said Mr Asher has met with Special Minister of State Gary Gray
to discuss his conduct where it was obvious relations between him
and the government were beyond repair.

On Monday, Mr Asher apologised to a Senate estimates committee for his
behaviour at an earlier hearing, saying it had been mistaken and he was
deeply sorry.

The paper said that while it would take a parliamentary vote to dismiss Mr Asher,
he was ready to step aside today in the face of the government's attitude.

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CAUGHT OUT: The Greens' Sarah Hanson-Young's collusion
with the Commonwealth Ombudsman to script some questions
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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  sharky on Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:31 pm

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true lilly wrote:Sorry ciggie, but D.I. Just had to prove me right, about everything. And BANNING THE ONLY ONE to predict The Fall of RUDD, NIXON, REES and much more, from posting opinions about Her Nation's Federal Election, and The D.I. Site PROMOTING THE NATION'S PROVEN TRAITORS, HAS MADE THEM A TERRORIST SITE

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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  true lilly on Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:45 pm

true lilly wrote:So where were all ROEBUCK'S Associates
when he needed "their" help?
Couldn't even get a Lawyer to show up.
His Last Associate Left him ALONE.
KNOWING a 6 story window was his
ONLY WAY "OUT"!

true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
Evil or Very Mad
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA

Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby

UPDATE 7am:

STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau

warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!
Wink Very Happy

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL
, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:
barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!


BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS

going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.
See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.


Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD
,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.


SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough
humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.


P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.
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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  MoMo on Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:42 am

Bullshit lilly, I've countered every one of your false arguments, you have never replied. Define Zion....Mizraim.....Torah.........Israel..........you attack the jews, the Torah and Israel, you quote scripture like satan to distort and deform it to fit YOUR agenda....... thumbs up


......................For those who falsely claim that Yahshua Messiah/Jesus 'Did away with' the Torah/Laws of YHWH, I challenge you to explain these verses of Scripture.

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

Matthew 4
1 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil.

2 And after having fasted forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3 And the trier came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the set- apart city, set Him on the edge of the Set- apart Place,

6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Yahshua said to him, “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try YHWH your Elohim.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the reigns of the world, and their esteem,

9 and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Yahshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’



Yahshua cites Torah 3 Times with Authority....beaware of the False Teachers.

Is the New Testament Yahweh's Word?

Don't Accept The New Testament As Yahweh's Word On The Basis Of Human Tradition

http://www.serveyahweh.org/Religion/newtestament.htm

In the context of the New Testament canon Yahweh's people should not accept that the New Testament is Yahweh's word simply on the basis of human tradition. For Yah'shuah has shown that human tradition is NOT the basis for determining true worship. The New Testament, or any portion of it, should only be accepted as Yahweh's word only where it is fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment. But if it, or any portion of it, is not fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment it cannot and should not be accepted as Yahweh's word or commandment!



Live By Every Word That Proceeds Out Of Yahweh's Mouth
Matthew 4:4 reads,

4:4But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’"

In these comments Yah'shuah quoted from Moses' words to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 8:3,

8:3He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you didn’t know, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.



Truth Is Yahweh's Word

John 17:17 reads,

17:17Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.

It is therefore clear from Yah'shuah's words that human beings are to live by every word proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh. He also defines truth as Yahweh's word. Therefore living by the truth is living by Yahweh's word, living by Yahweh's commandment. This is what human beings are to live by, and not by human tradition, especially human tradition contrary to Yahweh's word.



To Believe Yah'shuah/Jesus You Must Believe Moses' Writings
John 5:46-47 reads,

5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 5:47But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Yah'shuah's words show that it is necessary for one to believe Moses' writings in order to believe him. In other words, those who believe Moses' writings are the ones who believe Yah'shuah, and those who do not believe Moses' writings are the one who do not believe Yah'shuah. Yah'shuah therefore implicitly affirmed that Moses' writings are indeed Yahweh's word.



Yah'shuah Didn't Destroy The Law Or The Prophets

Matthew 5:17-18 reads,

5:17"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. 5:18For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.

Yah'shuah therefore affirmed that the law and the prophets, the writings he affirmed as Yahweh's word, would continue in applicability even up to the time of the passing away of heaven and earth. Seeing that heaven and earth are still with us it is indeed the conclusion that nothing has passed away from the law, and it remains in full application.



Yah'shuah Commanded His Disciples To Abide By Moses' Authority

Matthew 23:1-4 reads,

23:1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 23:2saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat. 23:3All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don’t do their works; for they say, and don’t do. 23:4For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.

Yah'shuah commanded human beings, including his disciples, to abide by the authority vested in Moses. In other words, he simply affirmed his word in Matthew 5:17-18, on the continuing applicability of the law or Yahweh's word as delivered by Moses to the children of Israel.



Believe What The Prophets Have Spoken

Luke 24:25-27 reads,

24:25He said to them, "Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?" 24:27Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yah'shuah's usage of the writings of Moses and those of the prophets shows that he acknowledged these as Yahweh's word. For in Matthew 4 and 15 he clearly taught that human beings are to live only by Yahweh's word, and here he was indeed teaching his disciples by the writings of Moses and the prophets. Yah'shuah therefore acknowledged that the writings of Moses and the prophets are indeed Yahweh's word.


Live By The Writings In The Law Of Moses, The Prophets And The Psalms

Luke 24:42-49 reads,

24:42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 24:43He took it, and ate in front of them. 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled."

24:45Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures. 24:46He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 24:47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48You are witnesses of these things. 24:49Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high."

According to Yah'shuah the collection of writings that made up Yahweh's word, what all human beings are to live by, is that called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms - what is today called the Old Testament. This is synonymous with the Scriptures, according to the author of the above words - Luke.



Yah'shuah's Disciples Of All Nations Are To Observe The Things He Personally Commanded His Disciples
Matthew 28:18-20 reads,

28:18Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Yah'shuah clearly commanded his disciples to teach new disciples of all nations to observe all things that he had commanded his disciples. He commanded them to live by every word that proceeds out of Yahweh's mouth. He also showed them that Yahweh's word is contained in the writings called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms (writings), now commonly known as the Old Testament. Therefore, the things that Yah'shuah's disciples are to observe are those that are contained in the writings commonly called the Old Testament. For observing the things in these writings is indeed living by words proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh, seeing that words that proceeded out of Yahweh's mouth are contained in these writings.



Yahweh's Word To His Disciples Concerning Verification Of Words

Isaiah 8:16-20 reads,

8:16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17I will wait for Yahweh, who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18Behold, I and the children whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Yahweh of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. 8:19When they shall tell you, "Consult with those who have familiar spirits and with the wizards, who chirp and who mutter:" shouldn’t a people consult with their God? On behalf of the living should they consult with the dead? 8:20To the law and to the testimony! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

8:16 clearly shows that the testimony (prophets and writings) and the law (of Moses) should be bound and sealed among Yahweh's disciples. And in matters of light Yahweh's disciples are not to consult with forces of darkness. They are to consult only the law and the testimony. In other words, the very writings that Yah'shuah later used in affirming that he was indeed the Messiah, the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings, are the very same ones that Yahweh commands his disciples to consult. For light is contained in his word, which is recorded in these writings. And anyone speaking contrary to his word in these writings is devoid of light. In other words, any writing that is contrary to the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings is not Yahweh's word, but a word and work of darkness!



Another Test Yahweh Gives His People Concerning Verification Of Words

Deuteronomy 18:9-22 reads,

18:9When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 18:10There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 18:11or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 18:12For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh your God does drive them out from before you. 18:13You shall be perfect with Yahweh your God. 18:14For these nations, that you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice sorcery, and to diviners; but as for you, Yahweh your God has not allowed you so to do. 18:15Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me; to him you shall listen; 18:16according to all that you desired of Yahweh your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I not die. 18:17Yahweh said to me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 18:19It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 18:20But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 18:21If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.



Don't Listen To Those Who Practice Abominations

Yahweh clearly warned the children of Israel not to listen to those who practice abominations - the practices of darkness as seen in Isaiah 8:16-20. It is on account of both practising these abominations and listening to the practitioners of these abominations that Yahweh cast out of the land of Canaan those who inhabited it prior to the children of Israel
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................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........rodin; suzi woo woo: you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.


Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.


Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.
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One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.


This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!


It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!


I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?


II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.


II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.


Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.


I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).


Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.


I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;


I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .


However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;


http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf



Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an ddon't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain. thumbs up

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.


ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................


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Post  true lilly on Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:52 am

Belgian parties fail again to form government
BELGIUM'S squabbling political parties failed to
hammer out a coalition deal in weekend talks
after more than 500 days without a government. Read more



All word leaders worried about Europe - PM
JULIA Gillard says her recent travels have uncovered
a common thread of concern
amongst world leaders about Europe. Read more



Libya may have received chemical weapons from Iran
THE US is investigating whether Iran supplied
Ghadafi's Libyan regime with artillery shells that
were filled with a highly toxic mustard agent. Read more



Bomb attack wounds nine in Thailand
A REMOTE-controlled bomb has exploded
in violence-plagued southern Thailand,
wounding nine people, including three monks. Read more



Manila court lets Arroyo stay in hospital
PHILLIPPINE court has allows former president
to be detained temporarily in an upscale hospital suite
as she awaits trial on electoral fraud charges. Read more



Rudd didn't need to talk uranium, says PM
JULIA Gillard says she didn't have to consult Kevin Rudd
over a push to overturn ban on sellinguranium to India
because it was a party matter. Read more



Australia's Herculean peace offering to Indonesia
AUSTRALIA has extended an olive branch to Indonesia,
donating four C130 Hercules planes and three
navy vessels to help in disaster relief. Read more

And so, "they" NEED to keep the world believing in
'the out of Egypt time line', so that people WON'T
RECOGNISE ALL GOD'S FOREWARNING SIGNS that
also PROVE THE FAITHFULNESS of GOD'S WORD.



Pet owner Christine White wants answers
after her two beloved rottweilers died
of suspected carbon monoxide poisoning
while on board the Spirit of Tasmania,
travelling to a dog show.
Picture: Bruce Magilton
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Oh, "on board The Spirit of a Dutchman"...

The Rottweiler originated in Rottweil, Germany.
The dogs were known as "Rottweil butchers' dogs"


German economy to slow next year - panel

And remember,
there are MORE GERMANS LEAVING GERMANY,
that Foreigners swarming in...AND,
Australia has ONLY sent
100 of 1370 ILLEGAL GERMAN'S
IN OZion
(to 30 June 2010), BACK TO GERMANY...

but then with so many GERMAN WW2 POW's,
sent here and being allowed to stay 'as' OZion's citizens
IN THIS LAND THEY PLAN TO TAKE FOR THEMSELVES,
and like so many of Their EUROPEAN Allies, LOOKING and
SPEAKING "like us", it's so easy for them to be hidden
amongst us...to "DISAPPEAR" WHILE AMONGST US...


Let's deport this terror boss
by:Alan Howe
From:Herald Sun
November 21, 2011
12:00AM
Abdul Nacer Benbrika.
Herald Sun

THE unrivalled success of Australia's postwar immigration tidal wave
- it has transformed our nation in ways we increasingly seldom bother
to observe - is besmirched by just two problems, and the time has come
to deal with them.

Too many foreigners implacably hostile to the notions of democracy,

equality and our liberal Western ways have been allowed to become
Australian citizens.

That's a fact.
The would-be mass killer Abdul Benbrika
and like-minded "Australian" Islamists
are evidence enough, the tip of a threatening iceberg
that floated unnoticed into Australian waters
not all that many years ago.


The 1949 Immigration Act, dated with nationalistic pride on January 26 that year,
did not foresee the rise of radical Islam nor its adherents' strategies
of entering Western nations like a computer virus that one day would
click to "on", in a way the fizzer Y2K bug failed to a decade back.

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This dog-eared and hurriedly drawn Act of Parliament, one of our
most important, also fails us today by severely restricting our ability
to deport from Australia, not just Trojan Horse Islamists, but deadly
violent men and women we failed to detect as they sailed through the
effortless steps to citizenship.

In recent days there has been news to dismay those of us who now realise
how hamstrung we are with simplistic rules set in place by the naively enthusiastic
Arthur Augustus Calwell, the 1940s federal minister whose immigration program
this is.

"Populate or perish," was Calwell's cry in the 1940s.
A Hansonite response today might be "populate and perish".
Pauline Hanson was a useful idiot for those racists who oppose our migration program,
and the attention given to her ignorant "views" on the subject deformed the national debate.
But that doesn't mean there aren't migrants here that we can do without.

Calwell, to become Opposition leader and so very nearly prime minister but for a
missing bit of DNA - the charisma gene - got much wrong in his life, but
his immigration plans changed the nation, and very much for the better in ways
even he could not have foreseen.

It's just the details I am quibbling with this morning,
minutia that one day might kill you, or me, or many of us.

That's what Algerian-born Benbrika and his team planned in 2005, but he was
at sixes and sevens: should he bomb the MCG on Grand Final day, or perhaps
the Flemington racecourse for the Melbourne Cup? Decisions, decisions.


His team was settled on just one thing: as many Australians, men, women,
children - it didn't matter - should die for the greatness of their god as they could muster.
It was quantity of murder they sought, not quality. If some Muslims were
inadvertently caught up in their firestorm, well, they might have to
divvy up the post-mortem virgins
between them.

The afterlife prospects of any Muslim women inadvertently killed in such an attack
were less clear.


Two members of Benbrika's terror cell were released the other day -
Aimen Joud and Ahmed Raad - after short sentences that are often
the hallmark of Victoria's justice system.

Neither can be deported.

They are the sons of Lebanese migrants and both were born here. It's why
Benbrika's strike team was described during its trial as a "home-grown"
terror network.

So they are our problem and, presumably, the Victorian and federal police
will monitor them very closely - indeed, forever - and at enormous expense
to you and me.

These are men, if I may use the term loosely, who entertained themselves
by watching videos of the beheading of infidels by Muslim extremists.
If they have abandoned their jihad against our Western values,
they are keeping that news to themselves.

But Benbrika, their ringleader, is another matter.

He's out in November 2017 and then free to begin plotting more mass murder,
to which he is committed.


He shouldn't even be in Australia. He overstayed a visitor's visa in 1989,
was declared an illegal immigrant and ordered out of the country. Three times.

Then he married a Lebanese woman
who had recently become an Australian citizen

and that secured his stay.
He then also became an Australian citizen.

Australia has routinely deported back to Britain bad men
who mistakenly thought they were citizens. And who can blame them?
They could vote, they could be called up to fight and die for "their" country,
and presumably they thought they were here for keeps.

There are about 900,000
"when it suits me" Australians still calling here home.


A by-product of that is our deporting New Zealanders six times more often
than any other nationality.


We also deported Swedish-born armed robber Stefan Nystrom after his jail term
and he'd lived here since he was just 27 days old.

But ridding ourselves of the malevolent and worthless Benbrika is trickier.

According to an Immigration Department spokesman Australian citizenship
can only be revoked "in very limited circumstances".

"There is no provision that enables citizenship to be revoked where a serious
offence is committed after citizenship has been acquired."

Effectively, this means you must have lied about your circumstances during the
migration or citizenship application processes. Well, here's good news.

I reckon Benbrika has.

When you become an Australian, you utter these words:
"From this time forward, I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey
."


No Islamist can say that
without wincing.


The lying Benbrika shares none of the democratic convictions that bind
us as Australians, and which President Barack Obama pointed out last
week in Canberra are not "American rights, or Australian rights, or
Western rights. They are human rights."

Since our first Immigration Act 62 years ago,
the citizenships of just 14 Australians have been revoked.
Let's make sure Abdul Benbrika, who wants to kill you and your children,
pushes that tally up to 15 when he is released in November 2017.

Even well-known criminal lawyer Rob Stary,
who has represented terrorism suspects,
and many an underdog - and more than a few dogs,
including Carl Williams - agrees with me:
"I think there should be a category of offenders
who should forfeit their citizenship."

He sees Benbrika as an example, and he believes
we should have the power to revoke citizenship for such criminals.

"I wouldn't have a blanket provision that once you are an Australian
citizen, you are immune to deportation or revocation of citizenship,"
Stary said.

Should we worry about Benbrika's seven children? No.
Should we worry about his naturalised Australian wife? No.
Let's just worry about us.

true lilly wrote:
Interesting because
the more 'they' scream at the world to wake up,
the more those, starting to SEE,
God's Saving Revelations,

are beaten, cowed and BOUGHT into SELLING
DENIAL of The Light of Truth,
so feared and hated by The Willingly Evil.
barnacle bill wrote:You should take your own advice and: READ ALL THE WORDS. And then keep these sacred words in their honest and proper context.

There, I fixed "your" quote. Lets not confuse folk about who the angry, ranting drunken bitches are ...now, back to my quotes, and reply, IN CONTEXT
Wink Razz
Don't "you" have someone other than "yourself"
to SPAM "YOUR" LONG AGO DEBUNKED LIES AT?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that ALL "YOUR" LIES
ARE EXPOSED, BY, "YOUR" REFUSAL TO ACCEPT that when
GOD SAID, "FROM THE BEGINNING", that IS WHAT HE MEANT?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to prove that there is no free and
open church, teaching that what is described in Holy Scripture,
is supported by the recent discoveries of science?

Haven't "YOU" done enough to cause honest people to ask,
"WHY IS THAT SO?", AND SO, CAUSE them to DISCOVER
THE ANSWER, FOR THEMSELVES?

true lilly wrote:Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.


"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:

AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants
on the loose to fill a regional city -
and many are from Britain and America...

...oh, those Americans and Brits who would
rather be illegal Australians,
than legal Brits and Americans...


...hope at least some are on our side,
telling the truth of what 'secular democracy'
did to their once great nations.


SOCIAL MEDIA USED TO SPREAD BRITAIN'S RIOTS
Social media used to spread Britain's riots




The only answer Any Ruling Government has
to mass uprisings of VIOLENT TWITTERING IDIOTS,
IS, 'MORE EFFECTIVE'/DEADLY VIOLENCE.

Just what "tintin/David Icke/Julian Assange et al"
SLAVE to SPREAD OVER ALL THE WORLD.

And what happy slaves they are, enjoying their
5 Star Lifestyles and 5 Star PRIVATE SECURITY,
while driving the poor and powerless to riot and DIE,
TO MAINTAIN "their" WEALTH and SECURITY!


"OVERSTAYERS" COULD FILL A CITY
Overstayers could fill a city

Peter Mickelburough
EXCLUSIVE:
AUSTRALIA has enough illegal immigrants on the loose
to populate a large regional city, documents show.


58 comments on this story

Interactive: Where they came from
Overstaying: Guests abuse their welcome
Editorial: Illegal immigrant crisis needs fixing

...and "They" won't be happy until our country
is like this...!!!



Protesters calling for,
the temporary military government in Egypt,
to cede power,
have been targeted by security forces
wielding tear gas and rubber bullets.

Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.


Picture: AFP
Read More
Egypt's latest uprising

"Seven people have been confirmed dead,
so far.
"
, is ONLY the count SO FAR, for THIS,
LATEST round of violence,
"they've" whipped
the twittering masses into, all over the world.

Now if we would only send the UNGRATEFUL,
SELFISH, SELF SERVING, SPOILED BRAT, 'australian'
IDIOTS pushing "their" genocidal agenda here,
to those lands where, like DAVID ICKE Official Forums,
freely sharing the teachings of The Creator of Life,
IS BANNED and CAN GET YOU KILLED, maybe they
would finally see, that the first step to bloody downfalls,
is to turn your back on The Creator of Life and reject
The Wisdom of His Faithful Word.

As The Majority, in these Nations (like their RELIGIOUS Brothers,
The Majority in our OVER CROWDED Neighbouring Nations, using
every trick in the book to get into Australia), SO PROUDLY DO!

Oh, but "they" are DEMANDING DEMOCRACY!... that system
where The Majority of Twittering Idiots are "empowered" with
"voter numbers" to CHANGE OUR LAWS, FOR "THEIRS"!!!

That system that keeps making more of Europe look like...






WATCH VIDEOS:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/police-protestors-in-violent-tahrir-square-clash/story-e6frf7lf-1226200379179#

An Egyptian police vehicle burns as protesters chant during the clashes.

A member of the military council, Major General Mohsen el-Fangari,
said protesters' calls for change ahead of the election
were a threat to the state.


''What is the point of being in Tahrir?'' he asked,
speaking by phone to a private TV channel.


''What is the point of this strike, of the million marches?
Aren't there legal channels to pursue demands
in a way that
won't impact Egypt ... internationally?


''The aim of what is going on is to shake the backbone of the state,
which is the armed forces.''


Middle East and North Africa in turmoil
Anti-government protests are spreading rapidly
through the Middle East and North Africa.
Use this chart to keep up with all of the demonstrations,
day by day.
Click a country on the map or the tabs below to read more.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/middle-east-protests/
true
lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:"tintin" WORSE than "Yellow"...
a LOVER of LIES, PLAGIARIST
(NOT a CREATIVE bone in him),
ANTI CREATOR, ANTI CREATION,
ANTI LIFE, ANTI TRUTH, and,
ANTI ANYONE DOING or RECEIVING
JUSTICE...
because NONE of HIS SELF GLORYING
is Justly earned or maintained...

ALL HE DOES is HUNT SACRIFICIAL Lambs
TO THROW to HIS WOLVES, and their
BLOODY REMAINS AT OTHER
WEAK, POWERLESS, INNOCENTS...

and, CAN'T SHUT UP about
WHAT A GREAT JOKE IT IS TO HIM
Evil or Very Mad
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=3207
EVIL!

nope...not it yet...but compare how MANY 'names'
VIOLENTLY STORM against me, for daring to SHOW
that GOD'S WORD DOES DESCRIBE AUSTRALIA
to BE ZION, FOR ALL ISRAEL and FRIENDS...
...and NOTE 'THOSE NAMES' CALL FOR THE
DESTRUCTION of ISRAEL and FRIENDS...AND,
WANT THIS GLORIOUS LAND FOR THEMSELVES!

true lilly wrote:
So that's how you get a bloke to the shops...
The much-anticipated third instalment in
the Call of Duty franchise was
released at midnight, to the delight of
fans waiting at EB Games.
Picture: Fiona Hamilton
Read More
SEVERE STORM
WARNING FOR VICTORIA

Severe storm warning for Victoria

6:27AM
Nathan Mawby

UPDATE 7am:

STORMS and lightning sweep through Melbourne,
with the weather bureau

warning the worst is yet to come.

Biggest war of them all
VIDEO: Gamers turned out at midnight for
the launch of the highly anticipated
Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3

P.S. these are ALL on Today's MURDOCH Herald Sun
FRONT PAGE.
I 'googled' true lilly images and got this:
by barnacle bill

Thank you...and when YET MORE folk Google me, YET MORE WILL FIND,
that VIOLENCE and LIES are all "YOU" have to attack me with, but still
MUST KEEP ATTACKING me, because "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENTS
to what I FREELY SHARE - REAL WORLD EVIDENCE of
THE VERY BEST NEWS EVER!
Wink Very Happy

P.S. and for an "anti" DAVID ICKE Forum, "YOU" spend an AWFUL LOT
of time and effort, ATTACKING THE ONE POSTER HERE, WITH THE
INSIDE DIRT on THE "STAR POSTER"=PUPPET MASTER of David Icke:
"tintin" a.k.a. "Aarnout van der Plooge".

"YOU" KNOW, THE GUY who with INSANE PUBLIC PASSION, DEMANDS
THE DESTRUCTION of JEWS AND ISRAEL
, WHILE ALSO PUBLICLY,
LOUDLY and OFTEN, having STATED THAT:
"AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL ISRAEL"=AUSTRALIA IS THE REAL TARGET.

P.P.S.
Oh and WHY MUST "YOU" CONTINUE to SPAM such bald faced lies:
barnacle bill wrote:LIES that "this is a true lilly quote":
I hate joooz, the Torah and Israel.........

I
vill take the joooooz holy scripture and deform it to fit my
antisemitic/anti Israel agenda.........sieg hiel!!!!!!


BECAUSE "YOU" have NO COUNTER ARGUMENT...and IN FACT,
ADD TO the case I've made...

true lilly wrote:YEP, there is an AWFUL LOT of ALTERING,
CHANGING and INTERFERING with the
Threads, Posts and
COMPUTERS and PHONES of INDIVIDUALS

going
on lately I tend to refrain from explaining too much these days, as
newbies know they can ask for clarifications, and the rest, well if they
haven't twigged by now, likely never will, but those who know, know, if
I post it, it's worth looking into.
See, "THEY" DEMAND
THE WORLD BELIEVE
(AGAINST ALL REAL WORLD EVIDENCE),
that,
WHEN GOD SAID:
FROM THE BEGINNING,
ALL THE WORLD,
ALL THE EARTH,
ALL PEOPLES,
GOD DID "not" MEAN IT,
so that the world will
DENY THE HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH
and JOIN "THEM" in PERMANENT DEATH.


Oh and while I think of it:
why, "The 99% Campaign"...
because GOD SAID He'd Preserve Alive,
90-95%, to re-plant, re-build and help
HEAL ALL THE WORLD
,
BUT "THEY" DON'T WANT ANY HEALING
and, as "cori/tintin" PROUDLY BOAST,
"THEY" WANT 99.9% of ALL HUMANS DEAD.


SEE "THEY" WORSHIP "THEIR" NUMBers Game.
The Majority NUMBers "win".
"winning" TO "THEM" IS DYING TO KILL.

And yes, "THEY" ARE THOSE WHO ATTACK ME,
FOR SHOWING that GOD KEEPS ALL HIS PROMISES,
that includes, not only preserving enough
humans
to heal the world, but also RESURRECTING Those
who died the first death, but repented of having
denied The Holy Spirit of Truth.


P.S. SOD, can you please include
the USUALLY COMMON Forum Feature
that INCLUDES THE LINK TO QUOTED POSTS?

Yeah I know, it would defeat the purpose of
outnumbering this one real individuals posts
with "tintin's" Multiple I.D. OFF TOPIC,
SPAM-BOT CRAP that FLOODS OUT what "THEY"
ARE TERRIFIED OTHERS MAY READ and CONSIDER,
...that's why I ask, and DON'T expect.
Razz
Thousands of migrants 'disappear' in cities under new official system
By Steve Doughty

Last updated at 2:17 AM on 21st November 2011

Hundreds of thousands of migrants have ‘disappeared’ at the stroke of a pen under a new official counting system.

The method has led to apparent large falls in the numbers of migrants thought to live in London and other major cities.


The change has provoked fury among council leaders who say the immigrant populations
of their districts have been grossly underestimated by government statisticians.



Migrants 'disappear': London, Manchester, Bristol, Cambridge and Oxford
are among cities who have had 'large downward revisions' from
the new counting method


Westminster and Kensington in London, Manchester, Bristol, Oxford and Cambridge
are among places thought to have had their estimated populations reduced
by many thousands by the Office for National Statistics.


Colin Barrow, Tory leader of Westminster, said: ‘After four years of work
supposedly improving migration estimates, the ONS apparently still has
little idea how many migrants are in this country or where they live and
work.


‘Our incoming migrant population appears to have dropped by 17 per cent over four
years; you only have to go out into the bars and restaurants in the West End to see
that migrants come to Westminster to live and work in much greater numbers than this.’


More...

More than nine out of ten migrants to the UK live in England,
which has become the sixth most crowded major country in the world,
the MigrationWatch think-tank said last week.

Last year net migration was 239,000.

The new estimates method, to be used from next year onwards, uses the same source
of immigration statistics the ONS has always used. This is the
International Passenger Survey, a check on intentions of arrivals at air
and sea ports and on the Eurostar.


From this researchers use a complex formula, based on other official population
databases, to estimate the number of yearly arrivals.

Under the new method, this formula has been tweaked, resulting in changes to
the estimated numbers arriving at certain towns and cities.



Only 4,000?
The new estimate pins the number of migrants in 2009 in Westminster
to just 4,000.
Tory leader Colin Barrow finds this seriously questionable
.

Some have fallen while others have risen, but the total remains unchanged.

Westminster’s migrant population has been reduced by 10,000, and Manchester’s and
Bristol’s each by 30,000. According to ONS briefing papers, Kensington and Chelsea,
Oxford and Cambridge have had ‘quite large downward revisions’.


Mr Barrow said: ‘We would seriously question the estimate that fewer than 4,000
migrants came to Westminster in the 2009 financial year to seek work.

'We have seen more people registering with doctors and paying council tax in
Westminster, so we fail to understand how the government statisticians can be so wrong.’


Councils can lose millions in Treasury grants if Whitehall cuts their population estimates.

The ONS was scheduled to publish papers about the new migration counting
system last week, but failed to do so. Some places are said to show a
higher count, such as Newham, East London, with a 13 per cent increase.

The ONS declined to comment yesterday.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064087/Migrants-disappear-Thousands-migrants-counted-cities-new-official-system.html#ixzz1eJCwqHiG

And now, after 16 YEARS of SCATTERING, MIXING, MINGLING,
AND LOSING, SELF CONFESSED ANTI CHRISTS, ALL OVER what
remained of (once civil), Christian Faith Based, European Nations,
that NOW HAVE FELLOW COUNTRYMEN ATTACKING EACH OTHER,

The FOREWARNED, Closing of Boarders, BEGINS...!!!...while,
"Those" SAME ANTI CHRISTS
KEEP DEMANDING that
WE LETS THEM FLOOD UNCONTROLLED INTO AUSTRALIA!!!


"Sorry. We don't know where your cat is"




EU moves to end
passport-free Schengen travel

The European Union has moved toward
reversing passport free travel
across the
continent
amid fears of a wave of migrants
fleeing unrest in north Africa.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8511019/EU-moves-to-end-passport-free-Schengen-travel.html
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National security and anti-terrorism laws
in Australia


In
this special additional chapter of The News Manual Online, we look at a
number of Australian laws about national security, snooping and
anti-terrorism.
We examine the way such laws have developed in recent years and how
they can affect the work of journalists in that country.
While
it refers directly to legislation in Australia, it might also be
interesting for journalists from other countries with such laws or which
are thinking of making such laws.


_______________________________________________

What
is popularly called 'the war against terror' has had major effects on
journalists throughout the world, one being an increase in the number
and severity of laws on
national security issues.


Many
democracies have implemented laws specifically to fight terrorism,
including nations which had hitherto lived in relative peace. Some of
them are explicitly titled
'anti-terrorism', some are branded as 'patriotic' while others are amendments to existing criminal codes.


However they are described, almost all impact to some degree on the work of journalists.

Although
terrorism has existed for centuries in many countries under different
names and guises such as militant nationalism, separatism and
independence movements,
Australia has been relatively untouched by organised terrorism. Even
the two biggest attacks on Australians, the Bali bombings in 2002 and
2005, happened overseas and Australians stood more chance of being
killed by terrorists while in London, New York or the Middle East than
in their own country.


However,
the seemingly random and global nature of the new wave of terrorist
atrocities drove the governments of many hitherto unscathed nations
such as Australia to
enact their own anti-terrorism laws,
especially in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks in America and
the first Bali bombing a year later. Because the so-called ‘war’
against
terrorism could not be fought along conventional lines, with military
responses to organised aggression, the new laws tried to be pre-emptive
and to rely more on
the structures and methods of the security services which, by their very nature, tended
to be more secretive and less directly accountable to the general citizenry.


Before
the latest spate of laws, many countries already had laws attempting
to combat the overthrow of governments, attacks on citizens by
political, religious or ethnic militants or invasion by other nations.


We will first look at some of the more traditional security-related laws in Australia then
some more recent anti-terrorism legislation.


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Sedition laws

Sedition laws are discussed as criminal libels in Chapter 71.
In some countries they are still actively used by governments to
suppress dissent, though in many free-speech democracies they have a
poor history and until recent times were seldom used.


According to a Parliamentary Library report cited below: "The last Australian prosecution
and jailing for sedition was in 1960, when Department of Native Affairs
officer Brian Cooper was prosecuted for urging 'the natives' of Papua
New Guinea to demand independence from Australia. He was charged under
the Queensland Criminal Code which at the time extended to Papua New
Guinea. He was convicted and sentenced to two months imprisonment with
hard labour. He committed suicide four years after losing his appeal to
the High Court."


The advent of tougher laws to counter terrorism has raised the issue again in Australia.

Sedition was traditionally behaviour which intended to: bring the government into hatred
or
contempt; excite disaffection against the government, constitution,
parliament and Kings Dominions; and bring about change to those
institutions unlawfully.


When interpreting sedition laws, judges have usually made a distinction between
talk about changing government (the free speech aspect) and practical actions which
might lead to the overthrow of a government (the criminal element). Sedition
laws said citizens can be vehement about political change but
they must not do anything to achieve it by illegal means, such as a coup
or rebellion.


In recent years, the government
has tried to extend the sedition provisions of the Criminal Code or
common law with special anti-terrorism legislation, which we will look
at shortly.


Treason,
which has traditionally been a much more serious offence, is more to
do with actual attempts on the life of the Sovereign, their
representative or a Prime Minister or with helping enemies of Australia
during times of war. Treason laws have not been used in many years in
Australia and have now effectively been replaced by provisions within
anti-terrorism legislation, most especially the Criminal Code Act 1995
as amended. You can download the most current version of the Criminal Code
(in different file formats) from the Australian Attorney-General’s Department website.


Follow this link to the Parliamentary Library for a brief official history and explanation of sedition laws in Australia.

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Official secrecy laws

Many countries have official secrets legislation to stop their citizens from passing to foreign
governments secret information which could damage the country.


This could be information about their armed forces and armaments - especially nuclear -
or weapons research, such as biological warfare. It could also include
intelligence gathering at home or spying overseas. It could even cover
matters such as emergency plans in the case of a war, where the
government will seek safety or how it will feed the nation.


The problem with most official secrecy laws - and with many modern anti-terrorism laws -
is that citizens are not told what the secret is that is being protected. This
may seem like an obvious requirement, but it can cause problems for
journalists in two main areas: you may inadvertently report something
covered by office secrecy legislation and you cannot serve your duty as
the Fourth Estate by exposing wrong-doing if it is protected by secrecy
laws.


Australia does not have an Official Secrets Act as such. It has provisions under
the Crimes Act of 1914 which restrict Commonwealth public servants from revealing
confidential
information, though the courts have interpreted this as information
affecting national security or the proper running of government, not
information which is merely critical or unflattering of the government.


Individual states and territories may have legislation to prevent the disclosure of sensitive
information, though this can cover a host of issues not related to national security, such as provisions in the Northern Territory’s Sacred Sites Act of 1989 protecting certain registers.


As with sedition, of more relevance to journalists today is anti-terrorism legislation, which we will discuss shortly.

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D-notices and the ASIO Act

One way Britain and Australia tried to find a balance between the citizen’s right to
know and government’s need to protect national security was through systems such
as D-notices.


The
D-notice system is basically an agreement between representatives from
government and the media thatthey will not broadcast or publish
material which could threaten
national security. From the first
meeting of the Australian Defence Press and Broadcasting Committee in
1952 it was an advisory system and not binding on the media, though most

did comply with it.


Although
in theory D-notices could be issued whenever the Australian government
suspected a journalist was getting close to revealing an important
secret, in practice it has merely given general guidance on the types of issues which should not be published.


In
Australia today it has falleninto disuse and the last time the
committee met was in 1982. Despite suggested for some years that it
should simply be scrapped, successive
governments have ignored such calls.


The British system – which is now called the Defence Advisory or DA system - has been mostly inactive for many years.

Some countries have also enacted specific laws to protect single aspects of national security.

For
example, in Australia the ASIO Act prevents citizens – including
journalists – from revealing the identity of any employee of the
Australian Security Intelligence Agency
without written permission from the agency’s Director General. ASIO is
the intelligence organisation set up to protect Australia from foreign threats, including
spies and terrorists. There is a similar law to protect the identities or agents or staff
working for the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS).


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Electronic interception

Australia has specific laws prohibiting ordinary citizens - including journalists - from
intercepting
private messages and using them. These laws are often called
electronic interception laws but are more popularly known as
eavesdropping, wire-tapping or
bugging laws.


The
major law in Australia is the Telecommunications (Interception and
Access) Act 1979, though there have subsequently been other laws and
amendments, both federally and by
individual states.


Essentially, these laws make it an offence to secretly listen in on another
person’s conversation or communication, whether over conventional wired
networks such as telephones, telexes or computer networks or over
wireless networks, such as mobile phones or Internet. Under various
amendments to the Crimes Act of 1914 - as recently as 2004 - it is also
illegal to make, advertise, sell or possess electronic secret
surveillance devices or software without legal authority.


The same laws make it unlawful to communicate to a third party
any information obtained through secret interception. This includes
publication or broadcasting such information by journalists.


Although the 1979 act was
originally intended to protect the privacy of telecommunications, it
also legislated for the authorities to tap into private communications
in the case of threats to national security and drug trafficking. The
act required the authorities to obtain a warrant before undertaking
eavesdropping. An amendment in 2002 included activities such as
terrorism and child pornography in the realm of legally-sanctioned
interception.


Subsequent
amendments and other laws have further extended the scope of legal
eavesdropping so that nowadays electronic interception legislation has
as much to do with
giving police and security agencies legal access
to the private communications of its citizens as it has to protecting
their privacy.
At present, the Rudd Government is considering extending the laws even
further to give private companies some rights to tap into private
telecommunications - particularly over computer networks - for the
protection of 'essential infrastructure', though it has yet to define
what this means.


Civil
liberties groups are also concerned that the government is considering
legislation allowing the police or intelligence services to tap
people’s calls or bug their conversations without a warrant.


As mentioned earlier, as with many security-related laws, citizens may not be aware
of the powers government agencies have or how they use them. And there is an added
danger for journalists in that your own conversations might be tapped or bugged by
police or intelligence services, especially if you are investigating some corrupt or dishonest behaviour.


In one of the most famous stories of investigative journalism - the Washington Post’s
Watergate reports - journalists Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein often
had to use public telephones or meet contacts in underground car parks
to minimise the danger of their office or home phones being tapped or
their conversations being bugged by the authorities.


At the end of this chapter there are links you can follow for more information.

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Anti-terrorism laws

In the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks in the United States, and
following bombings in Europe and South-East Asia, many governments
around the world introduced strict anti-terrorism laws.


Although many lawyers and civil liberties organisations argued that existing
criminal laws were sufficient to deal with the new wave of terrorism, many
governments felt their security services needed new and increased powers so
they could take action in secret, without the kind of public scrutiny which
might alert the terrorists.


In the general atmosphere of fear
- created partly by terrorist attacks and partly by the new laws
themselves - many of the basic principles of human rights,
constitutional and statutory safeguards and common law were suspended.
For example, laws restricting electronic interception were amended so
police and intelligence agencies could eavesdrop on private
conversations and tap into personal communications more easily.


In many countries, the common law protections offered by habeas corpus
for hundreds of years were reduced or suspended so that security
forces could detain suspects in secret for interrogation for longer and
longer periods. In some countries laws were introduced or changed to
prevent an arrested person’s family from knowing what had happened to
them.


Provisions
protecting freedom of speech - either constitutional or implied - were
either reduced or suspended altogether so in some circumstances it is
now an offence for a
journalist even to report that people had been arrested under anti-terrorism laws.


One positive result of this flurry of legislation in Australia - apart from any effect it
might have had on preventing terrorist acts - was to clarify a number of legal issues
which had either become dubious over the years or which had not been updated to
reflect a socially, economically and technologically complex 21st Century society.


Perhaps the most significant of these developments were the numerous
amendments to the Criminal Code Act of 1995. In all, the Australian
Parliament passed 54 amending acts between 1998 and 2008, an average of
more than five a year. Most involved anti-terrorism or other national
or economic security measures, though the Act as amended also contains
sections on people smuggling, sex offences and people trafficking, theft, fraud
and several other categories of crime.


The current version of the Criminal Code Act runs to 634 pages, including schedules.
It is perhaps one of the most complex pieces of criminal legislation on the
Australian
statutes and far too involved to examine in detail here, although the
following aspects are worth noting in relation to terrorism and
national security:

<blockquote> It consolidates a number of criminal issues, including those treason, sedition and border security.
It clarifies the maximum penalties which can apply. In the case of treason this is life in prison.


It
contains a very full definition of what constitutes terrorism and
terrorists. Essentially it defines terrorism as an act or threat of an
act for a political,
religious or ideological cause which kills or harms people or damages
or interferes with property (including electronic systems) with the
purpose of intimidating a government or the public.

</blockquote> The
Criminal Code allows the Attorney-General to list as 'terrorist
organisations' groups known to have carried out terrorist attacks or
which provide practical support to terrorists. The Attorney-General’s
Department advises that, under the Criminal Code:

<blockquote> "It
[is] an offence to direct the activities, become a member, recruit
for, train or receive training from, get funds to, from or for and
provide support to a listed
terrorist organisation. It is also an
offence to associate with another person who is a member of, or who
promotes or directs the activities of, a listed terrorist organisation.
Penalties for these offences are severe, with imprisonment for up to 25
years. A person who has trained with a listed terrorist organisation
may also be subjected to a control order."

</blockquote> The Attorney-General has listed 19 groups as 'terrorist organisations'. Names and details are available at the department’s Australian National Security website, along with other information on counter-terrorism in Australia.

Obviously the laws on terrorism and assisting terrorists apply to journalists as
to every other citizen. The anti-terrorism legislation overrides
defences of privileged information and effectively strips away whatever
limited shield law protection journalists enjoy to protect their
sources, so that contact with terrorists could expose you to serious
risk of prosecution in what you do or write.


Indeed, the laws go one step further and require every citizen - including journalists - to inform the police whenever they have information about a real or suspected terrorist or about a terrorist attack, whether planned or executed.

Some common features which could affect your work under Australian anti-terrorism and national security laws include:


  • Restrictions on what you can write or broadcast on actual or potential acts of terrorism;
  • Restrictions on information available to you about terrorism, investigations or prosecutions;

  • Restrictions on how you can obtain information about or from terrorists or suspected terrorists;

  • Restrictions on traditional protections for
    journalists' sources and, in some cases, making it an offence to
    withhold any information from police or security forces;

  • Restrictions on freedom of movement for
    journalists doing their work by giving police new powers to detain
    people or prevent access.


Media reactions to anti-terrorism laws in Australia have varied. Some journalists and
media
organisations have enthusiastically lined up behind stricter
government controls over them while others have spoken out against
them.


As with most
laws that can affect the media, as a journalist you should know when
you are out of your depth and seek advice from more senior colleagues
or lawyers employed
or retained by your organisation. Considering
that the penalties for breaching anti-terrorism and security laws can be
very severe, it is important that you understand the dangers and make
thoughtful decisions.


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TO SUMMARISE:

National
security and anti-terrorism laws affect all citizens but there is
often secrecy about how they are applied. This can make the work of
journalists
difficult and dangerous.


Sedition
laws have fallen into disuse, but are being replaced by specific laws
on national security and terrorism. It is your task as a journalist to
know what
laws apply.


It is illegal to tap into, eavesdrop on or bug private conversations and also to use any information obtained.

Many
new security and anti-terrorism laws override some traditional
freedoms - such as habeascorpus - which journalists have taken for
granted. You may need to
rethink your attitude to many other laws in these new circumstances.


Further reading

Although
legislation is never simple or straightforward, if you want to see the
exact wording of Australian and New Zealand laws, go to the Australasian Legal Information Institute (AusLII)site
and use the Advanced Search facility to browse for acts and amendments.
Note that when amendments are made to existing laws, these are
normally all wrapped up into a consolidated act.


For critiques of laws - especially legislation which is pending – you can go to organisations such as Electronic Frontiers Australia or the Communications Law Centre.

SS8,
a commercial company providing interception services internationally,
publishes a survey on interception legislation in 31 countries on its
website at http://www.ss8.com.
Note: you are required to provide contact information before
downloading the report. The Australian Mobile Telecommunications
Association (AMTA) hosts a slightly older but unrestricted pdf version
of The Ready Guide to Intercept Legislation surveying 24 countries. Note: It is a large (1.47MB) file.


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el kabong wrote:Bullshit lilly, I've countered every one of your false arguments, you have never replied. Define Zion....Mizraim.....Torah.........Israel..........you attack the jews, the Torah and Israel, you quote scripture like satan to distort and deform it to fit YOUR agenda....... thumbs up


......................For those who falsely claim that Yahshua Messiah/Jesus 'Did away with' the Torah/Laws of YHWH, I challenge you to explain these verses of Scripture.

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

Matthew 4
1 Then Yahshua was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tried by the devil.

2 And after having fasted forty days and forty nights, He was hungry.

3 And the trier came and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of YHWH.’ ”

5 Then the devil took Him up into the set- apart city, set Him on the edge of the Set- apart Place,

6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of Elohim, throw Yourself down. For it has been written, ‘He shall command His messengers concerning you,’ and, ‘In their hands they shall bear you up, so that you do not dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Yahshua said to him, “It has also been written, ‘You shall not try YHWH your Elohim.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on a very high mountain, and showed Him all the reigns of the world, and their esteem,

9 and said to Him, “All these I shall give You if You fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Yahshua said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship YHWH your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’



Yahshua cites Torah 3 Times with Authority....beaware of the False Teachers.

Is the New Testament Yahweh's Word?

Don't Accept The New Testament As Yahweh's Word On The Basis Of Human Tradition

http://www.serveyahweh.org/Religion/newtestament.htm

In the context of the New Testament canon Yahweh's people should not accept that the New Testament is Yahweh's word simply on the basis of human tradition. For Yah'shuah has shown that human tradition is NOT the basis for determining true worship. The New Testament, or any portion of it, should only be accepted as Yahweh's word only where it is fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment. But if it, or any portion of it, is not fully in harmony with Yahweh's commandment it cannot and should not be accepted as Yahweh's word or commandment!



Live By Every Word That Proceeds Out Of Yahweh's Mouth
Matthew 4:4 reads,

4:4But he answered, "It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.’"

In these comments Yah'shuah quoted from Moses' words to the children of Israel in Deuteronomy 8:3,

8:3He humbled you, and allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna, which you didn’t know, neither did your fathers know; that he might make you know that man does not live by bread only, but by everything that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh does man live.



Truth Is Yahweh's Word

John 17:17 reads,

17:17Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth.

It is therefore clear from Yah'shuah's words that human beings are to live by every word proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh. He also defines truth as Yahweh's word. Therefore living by the truth is living by Yahweh's word, living by Yahweh's commandment. This is what human beings are to live by, and not by human tradition, especially human tradition contrary to Yahweh's word.



To Believe Yah'shuah/Jesus You Must Believe Moses' Writings
John 5:46-47 reads,

5:46For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote about me. 5:47But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"

Yah'shuah's words show that it is necessary for one to believe Moses' writings in order to believe him. In other words, those who believe Moses' writings are the ones who believe Yah'shuah, and those who do not believe Moses' writings are the one who do not believe Yah'shuah. Yah'shuah therefore implicitly affirmed that Moses' writings are indeed Yahweh's word.



Yah'shuah Didn't Destroy The Law Or The Prophets

Matthew 5:17-18 reads,

5:17"Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. 5:18For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished.

Yah'shuah therefore affirmed that the law and the prophets, the writings he affirmed as Yahweh's word, would continue in applicability even up to the time of the passing away of heaven and earth. Seeing that heaven and earth are still with us it is indeed the conclusion that nothing has passed away from the law, and it remains in full application.



Yah'shuah Commanded His Disciples To Abide By Moses' Authority

Matthew 23:1-4 reads,

23:1Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, 23:2saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sat on Moses’ seat. 23:3All things therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do, but don’t do their works; for they say, and don’t do. 23:4For they bind heavy burdens that are grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not lift a finger to help them.

Yah'shuah commanded human beings, including his disciples, to abide by the authority vested in Moses. In other words, he simply affirmed his word in Matthew 5:17-18, on the continuing applicability of the law or Yahweh's word as delivered by Moses to the children of Israel.



Believe What The Prophets Have Spoken

Luke 24:25-27 reads,

24:25He said to them, "Foolish men, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! 24:26Didn’t the Christ have to suffer these things, and to enter into his glory?" 24:27Beginning from Moses and from all the prophets, he explained to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

Yah'shuah's usage of the writings of Moses and those of the prophets shows that he acknowledged these as Yahweh's word. For in Matthew 4 and 15 he clearly taught that human beings are to live only by Yahweh's word, and here he was indeed teaching his disciples by the writings of Moses and the prophets. Yah'shuah therefore acknowledged that the writings of Moses and the prophets are indeed Yahweh's word.


Live By The Writings In The Law Of Moses, The Prophets And The Psalms

Luke 24:42-49 reads,

24:42They gave him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. 24:43He took it, and ate in front of them. 24:44He said to them, "This is what I told you, while I was still with you, that all things which are written in the law of Moses, the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me must be fulfilled."

24:45Then he opened their minds, that they might understand the Scriptures. 24:46He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 24:47and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 24:48You are witnesses of these things. 24:49Behold, I send forth the promise of my Father on you. But wait in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high."

According to Yah'shuah the collection of writings that made up Yahweh's word, what all human beings are to live by, is that called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms - what is today called the Old Testament. This is synonymous with the Scriptures, according to the author of the above words - Luke.



Yah'shuah's Disciples Of All Nations Are To Observe The Things He Personally Commanded His Disciples
Matthew 28:18-20 reads,

28:18Jesus came to them and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth. 28:19Go, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 28:20teaching them to observe all things which I commanded you. Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Yah'shuah clearly commanded his disciples to teach new disciples of all nations to observe all things that he had commanded his disciples. He commanded them to live by every word that proceeds out of Yahweh's mouth. He also showed them that Yahweh's word is contained in the writings called the law of Moses, the prophets and the psalms (writings), now commonly known as the Old Testament. Therefore, the things that Yah'shuah's disciples are to observe are those that are contained in the writings commonly called the Old Testament. For observing the things in these writings is indeed living by words proceeding out of the mouth of Yahweh, seeing that words that proceeded out of Yahweh's mouth are contained in these writings.



Yahweh's Word To His Disciples Concerning Verification Of Words

Isaiah 8:16-20 reads,

8:16Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17I will wait for Yahweh, who hides his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18Behold, I and the children whom Yahweh has given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from Yahweh of Hosts, who dwells in Mount Zion. 8:19When they shall tell you, "Consult with those who have familiar spirits and with the wizards, who chirp and who mutter:" shouldn’t a people consult with their God? On behalf of the living should they consult with the dead? 8:20To the law and to the testimony! If they don’t speak according to this word, surely there is no morning for them.

8:16 clearly shows that the testimony (prophets and writings) and the law (of Moses) should be bound and sealed among Yahweh's disciples. And in matters of light Yahweh's disciples are not to consult with forces of darkness. They are to consult only the law and the testimony. In other words, the very writings that Yah'shuah later used in affirming that he was indeed the Messiah, the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings, are the very same ones that Yahweh commands his disciples to consult. For light is contained in his word, which is recorded in these writings. And anyone speaking contrary to his word in these writings is devoid of light. In other words, any writing that is contrary to the law of Moses, the prophets and the writings is not Yahweh's word, but a word and work of darkness!



Another Test Yahweh Gives His People Concerning Verification Of Words

Deuteronomy 18:9-22 reads,

18:9When you are come into the land which Yahweh your God gives you, you shall not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. 18:10There shall not be found with you anyone who makes his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one who uses divination, one who practices sorcery, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, 18:11or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 18:12For whoever does these things is an abomination to Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh your God does drive them out from before you. 18:13You shall be perfect with Yahweh your God. 18:14For these nations, that you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice sorcery, and to diviners; but as for you, Yahweh your God has not allowed you so to do. 18:15Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from the midst of you, of your brothers, like me; to him you shall listen; 18:16according to all that you desired of Yahweh your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I not die. 18:17Yahweh said to me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18:18I will raise them up a prophet from among their brothers, like you; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. 18:19It shall happen, that whoever will not listen to my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 18:20But the prophet, who shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who shall speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die. 18:21If you say in your heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh has not spoken? 18:22When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh, if the thing doesn’t follow, nor happen, that is the thing which Yahweh has not spoken: the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you shall not be afraid of him.



Don't Listen To Those Who Practice Abominations

Yahweh clearly warned the children of Israel not to listen to those who practice abominations - the practices of darkness as seen in Isaiah 8:16-20. It is on account of both practising these abominations and listening to the practitioners of these abominations that Yahweh cast out of the land of Canaan those who inhabited it prior to the children of Israel
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................The Hebrew Bible, Old and New Testaments inform us that: Life is precious and History is meaningful, unlike David Ickes assertion that life is an Illusion, the Biblical view is more scientifically astute: The World is not AS we perceive it but it is very real. The Bible entrains our 6th Sense so that we may perceive realities beyond the 5 sense world.

The 5 Senses do not detect infrared, ultraviolet, radio waves, x-rays etc..yet they exist. The unaided human eye cannot perceive Atoms, protons, quarks etc.yet they exist......We see the Unity of existence, the ground that sustains being, the interconnexion of ALL Life.

The Creator is 'unseen' yet we learn to see through the surface of reality. We are never alone.

The Torah overcomes the Reptilian/Mammalian Brain Centers. Teaches us to become impeccably honest, to be non-exploitive, loving, altruistic. to be a Shepherd not a Predator.

In Hebraic Thought the whole Function of the Torah is to turn the Soul away from the things of the Flesh. FROM egoistic TO Altruistic. During our life our Soul either attaches itself to the things of Flesh, the Path of Darkness; or it attaches itself to the things of the Spirit-The Path of Light, becoming a Child of the Light.

When the False prophets and teachers tell us that Jesus 'did away with the Torah/Instruction/Laws of YHWH'...........they lie, they deceive........they mislead innocents onto the Path of Darkness........rodin; suzi woo woo: you must learn, before you die, to Play the Game Clean. You must learn why deceiving, cheating, exploiting are losing propositions and they harm you more then the people you harm by doing those sordid things.


Great harm is done to our societies as these once recognized undesirable charateristics are now exalted and presented as paradigms for behaviour.....................................The Good Newz is that there IS a Paradigm Shift-We are in a Transit between two Ages......The Age of Production and Accumulation TO the Age of Integrity and Restoration.

"Ahavta yirecha Kamocha"= Love your neighbor as yourself.

In humans the personalities that could have been are always there, always uncomfortable in their imprisonment. And periodically they scream from the dungeons of their minds demanding their Freedom.

The Biblical Commandments were given not for the sake of imposing rules and limitations and restrictions on people limiting their Freedom, but rather as a Divine communication that can be seen as generous-teaching/instructing humanbeings how life works and what to do and not to do to make the best of it.

Within the Torah/mitzvot/commandments are all the neccessary instructions for human conduct, in order to help people avoid negative consequences and repercussions, and also to reap benefit from living in alignment with the Laws of the Universe.


Who is wise? They who can foresee the consequences of their actions.
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One of the first things we should learn in our search for the true Savior is His Name. The importance of knowing this Man's Name cannot be overstated. Names were and are very important to the Hebrew people, and their meanings are of great significance, not only to individuals, but also to entire families.

The name Jesus is an invention of man which in no way carries the meaning of the true Name of this Man mentioned in the New Testament. The simple fact (which is easily proven from authoritative sources) is that this man was born a Hebrew and He had a Hebrew name. There is no such name as Jesus in the Hebrew language.

Reading from The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 10, page 10, we find that the supposed name Jesus is actually the common Greek form of the Hebrew name Joshua.

JESUS (d. 30 c.e.), whom Christianity sees as its founder and object of faith, was a Jew who lived toward the end of the Second Commonwealth period......The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 12, page 805, gives us additional information, concerning the Hebrew spelling of Joshua, which is yod-heh-waw-shin-ayin.


This source also points out to us that this Name, correctly pronounced Yahshua, is a compound name constructed with the Tetragrammaton,which is the Name: YAHWEH, . The Name Yahshua follows the common practice among the true worshippers of Yahweh, in forming and using compound names which brought glory to Yahweh's Name....................The Name Yahshua is just such a compound Name. It is a combination of Yahweh's Name in a personal name (YAH: yod-heh) and SHUA (shin-ayin), which means salvation. The Hebrew-English Lexicon of the Old Testament, by Brown, Driver, and Briggs, page 221, tells us that the Name Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. ............The Law of Yahweh, which Yahshua and the apostles preached, plainly tells us that Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 6:4-5—
4 Hear, O Israyl, Yahweh is our Father. Yahweh is one.
5 And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. ....................................The prophets further testified that Yahweh is the only source of power and there is no pagan God with Him at all.

Isayah 43:10-12—
10 You are My witnesses, says Yahweh, and My servants whom I have chosen; so you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He! before me there was no God (el) formed, nor will there be after Me.
11 I, even I, am Yahweh; and beside Me there is no savior.
12 I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and no strange god (el) is among you! Therefore, you are My witnesses, says Yahweh: that I AM YAHWEH!

Isayah 44:8—
Do not fear, nor be afraid. Have I not told you from that time, and have declared; You are My witnesses! Is there a source of power except Me? Truly, there is no other rock; I know not one.

Isayah 45:6,18—
6 So that they may know from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting that There is none besides me. I am Yahweh, and there is no other!
18 For this is what Yahweh, Who created the heavens, Who is the Father, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited, says: I am Yahweh, and there is no other source of power!


It should now be obvious to anyone that the apostles, as well as the prophets, did not believe in or teach a pre-existent God-savior. The apostles clearly taught against pagan Godworship, the same worship all Christianity teaches today.

Romans 1:20-25—
20 For since the creation of the world, the invisible things of Him are clearly seen—His eternal power and holiness—being understood by the things that are written; so that they are without excuse.
21 Because that, when they knew Yahweh, they did not glorify Him as Father, nor were thankful, but became idolatrous; Godworshipers (worshipers of elohim), in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools; simpletons,
23 And exchanged the glory of the uncorruptible Father for images, made to resemble corruptible man, and birds, four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Therefore, Yahweh also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own minds, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who exchanged the truth of Yahweh for the Lie; Lords (Baalim), Gods, and Goddesses (Elohim), and worshiped and served the creation, rather than the creator, Who is blessed forever. Praise Yahweh! HalleluYahweh!


I Corinthians 10:20-22—
20 But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to Yahweh; and I do not want you to have fellowship with demons.
21 You cannot drink the cup of Yahweh and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of Yahweh's table and of the table of demons.
22 Do we provoke Yahweh to jealousy? are we stronger than He ?


II Corinthians 6:14-18—
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with unright-eousness? and what fellowship does light have with darkness?
15 And what harmony can there be between Messiah and Belial; Worthlessness: Satan? Or what share does a believer have with an infidel; untrustworthy, not faithful, not true nor loyal?
16 And what agreement does The House of Yahweh have with Gods (elohim)? for we are The House of the living Father. As Yahweh has said: I will dwell in them and walk among them. I will be their Father, and they will be my people.
17 Therefore: come out from among them and be separate, says Yahweh. Do not touch the unclean thing, and I will receive you.
18 I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says Yahweh Almighty.


II Corinthians 4:4—
For the god (el) of this world (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe, so that the light of the message of the glory of the Messiah, Who is the image of Yahweh, should not shine unto them.


Romans 6:15-16—
15 What? May we sin as though we are not under the Law, yet under Yahweh's undeserved pardon? by no means!
16 Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

I Yahchanan 3:7-9—
7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.
8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whoever is begotten of Yahweh does not commit sin; for His seed remains in Him; and it is possible for him not to sin, because he has been begotten of Yahweh.


I Yahchanan 5:18-21—
18 We know that whoever is born of Yahweh does not sin; but he who has been begotten of Yahweh keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
19 We know that we belong to Yahweh, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
20 And we know that the Son of Yahweh has come, and has given us an understanding, in order that we may know Him Who is true; and we are in Him Who is true, for we are in His Son, Yahshua. Yahweh is the true Father, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from the defilement of Gods (elohim).


Revelation 18:2-5—
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of demons, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 Gor all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues,
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and Yahweh has remembered her iniquities!

However, the apostles knew Yahweh's Plan which called for a man to be born who would be sacrificed for the past sins of many. They also knew that this man would be raised again by Yahweh.........................Yahweh has always revealed Himself as our Father. Yahshua Messiah taught His twelve apostles to pray to Yahweh, and to begin their prayers to Him as "Our Father."

As you read for yourself, you will find that Yahshua taught His disciples, those who obeyed Yahweh, to pray in the following manner.

Luke 11:2—
So He said to them: When you pray, using this example, say: Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed be; to show reverence and respect to, Your Name. Your Kingdom come. Your will be done; as it is in heaven, so may it be in earth.

In their ministry, the disciples spoke of Yahweh as the Father of Yahshua, saying this specifically in the following Scriptures:

Ephesians 1:17—
Asking that the Father of our King, Yahshua Messiah, the Father of glory, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation; unveiling and uncovering truths, for the full knowledge of Him.


I Kepha 1:3—
Blessed be Yahweh, the Father of our King Yahshua Messiah, Who, according to His abundant mercy, has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Yahshua Messiah from the dead;


I Corinthians 8:5-6—
5 For even though there are many called gods (elohim), whether in heaven or on earth (As there are many gods; elohim, and many lords; baalim.),
6 Yet to us there is only One Authority, the Father, from Whom all things came and for Whom we live. And there is but one King, Yahshua Messiah, on Whose account are all things, and on whose account we live .


However, to the disobedient, Yahshua said:

Yahchanan 8:44—
You are of your teacher who is Satan the Devil, and whatever she who is your teacher desires, you will do. She was a murderer from the beginning, and remained not in the truth, because there is no truth in her. Therefore, when you speak your falsehoods, you speak her words, because she is a liar, and the teacher of all lies!

The Holy Scriptures show that we accept one of two beings as our head. We can either accept Yahweh as our Father (head) or we can accept Satan as our head.

Through this world's lust to break the Laws of Yahweh, they have rejected Yahweh as their Father, while accepting Satan the adversary as their head. By doing this, they have become the people of the devil, as the Apostle Shaul describes in the following Scriptures, because they did not like to retain Yahweh in their knowledge..............................................Yahshua Messiah said the following.

Yahchanan 6:44—
No man can come to Me, unless the Father, Who has sent Me, draws him; and I will establish him as a priest at the last day.

When we are called out of this world by Yahweh's Holy Spirit and begin to understand the importance of Yahweh's Holy Scriptures in our lives, we, even then, are only half of the creation Yahweh requires us to be, in order for us to enter His Kingdom. To understand this, we must understand the Plan of Yahweh.

When Yahshua was resurrected from the dead, He became the firstborn of many brothers.

Romans 8:29—
For whom He did foreknow, He also did foreordain to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

When we are conformed to Yahshua we will also be conformed to the Father Yahweh, because Yahshua conformed to be exactly like the Father.

Hebrews 1:3—
Who, being the reflection of the perfection of Yahweh, and the representation of Yahweh's plan, by upholding all things concerning that which was spoken by Yahweh through the Law and the prophets, when He had purged sin, sat down on the right hand of Yahweh on high;


http://www.yahweh.com/pdf/Booklet_Shaul-Do-Away.pdf



Much like the Christian NAZIs that preceeded you, you are ignorant an don't know what you speak of. I see through you like I see through the water that flows down my drain. thumbs up

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8820.html

Was Jesus a Nazi? During the Third Reich, German Protestant theologians, motivated by racism and tapping into traditional Christian anti-Semitism, redefined Jesus as an Aryan and Christianity as a religion at war with Judaism. In 1939, these theologians established the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. In The Aryan Jesus, Susannah Heschel shows that during the Third Reich, the Institute became the most important propaganda organ of German Protestantism, exerting a widespread influence and producing a nazified Christianity that placed anti-Semitism at its theological center.

Based on years of archival research, The Aryan Jesus examines the membership and activities of this controversial theological organization. With headquarters in Eisenach, the Institute sponsored propaganda conferences throughout the Nazi Reich and published books defaming Judaism, including a dejudaized version of the New Testament and a catechism proclaiming Jesus as the savior of the Aryans. Institute members--professors of theology, bishops, and pastors--viewed their efforts as a vital support for Hitler's war against the Jews. Heschel looks in particular at Walter Grundmann, the Institute's director and a professor of the New Testament at the University of Jena. Grundmann and his colleagues formed a community of like-minded Nazi Christians who remained active and continued to support each other in Germany's postwar years.

The Aryan Jesus raises vital questions about Christianity's recent past and the ambivalent place of Judaism in Christian thought.


ANTISEMITISM AND CHRISTIANITY

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.html

Hitler did not achieve most of his political and military goals, but on the Jewish question he succeeded remarkably. If his antisemitic propaganda found resonance, its success can be credited in large measure to the unrelenting anti-Jewish Christian theological discourse that linked Nazi propaganda with the traditions and moral authority of the churches. That link was proclaimed with enthusiasm by Nazi Christians: “In the Nazi treatment of the Jews and its ideological stance, Luther’s intentions, after centuries, are being fulfilled.”13 Antisemitism was the lingua franca of the Nazi era and was employed by church leaders to gain credibility with their own adherents—but also out of sincere antisemitic conviction. Antisemitism was also a tactic in the rhetorical battles among the different Christian factions, with each accusing its opponents of being “Jewish” while positioning itself as the true Nazi believer.14

Already in 1971 the historian Uriel Tal challenged the entrenched view that racist antisemitism is a new phenomenon that repudiates Christianity by arguing that it was actually utterly dependent on Christian anti-Judaism for its success: “it was not the economic crises that brought about this new political, racial and antireligious antisemitism, but completely the reverse, it was precisely the anti-Christian and antireligious ideology of racial antisemitism which hampered the first antisemitic parties in their efforts to utilize the economic crisis for their political development . . . [because] what still attracted the masses was the classical, traditional Christian anti-Judaism, however adapted it may have become to the new economic conditions.”15 Tal demonstrated that Germany’s antisemitic, völkisch movements that arose in the nineteenth century had to abandon their initial anti-Christian stances in order to win supporters for whom Christian anti-Jewish arguments held profound political appeal.16 Even within the so-called “church struggle” between German Christians and the Confessing Church for control of the Protestant church, antisemitism became the glue that united the otherwise warring factions. Similarly, however much Hitler made use of images of messianism, redemption, and other Christian motifs, the most useful and consistent aspect of Christianity for the Nazi movement was its anti-Judaism, just as the single most consistent and persistent feature of Nazism was its antisemitism.

Hitler was well aware of arguments that were central to the Institute: that Jesus was an Aryan, and that Paul, as a Jew, had falsified Jesus’s message, themes he repeatedly mentioned in private conversations, together with rants against the church as a Jewish subversion of the Aryan spirit (though the reliability of his reported private conversations is uncertain). In a diatribe alleged to have occurred in October of 1941, the month Hitler made the decision to murder the Jews,17 Hitler proclaimed that Jesus was not a Jew, but a fighter against Jewry whose message was falsified and exploited by Paul: “St. Paul transformed a local movement of Aryan opposition to Jewry into a super-temporal religion, which postulates the equality of all men . . . [causing] the death of the Roman Empire.”18 His views demonstrate that the German Christian diagnosis of Christianity as tainted by Jewish influence resonated at the highest levels of the Reich, but that its prescribed solution of dejudaization was met with skepticism if not sheer mockery. Was Christianity thoroughly impregnated with Judaism, or could it be dejudaized, as the Institute claimed?

Like the antisemitic parties of the nineteenth century, the Nazi Party could not reject Christianity—not only because it would offend the moral and social sensibilities of Germans, but because the antisemitism of Christianity formed the basis on which the party could appeal to Germans with its racial and nationalist ideology. Nazism’s relationship to Christianity was not one of rejection, nor was it an effort to displace Christianity and become a form of “political religion.” Nazism did not present racial antisemitism as antithetical to Christian theological anti-Judaism; rather, Nazi ideology was a form of supersessionism, a usurpation and colonization of Christian theology, especially its antisemitism, for its own purposes. The theology of the Institute was a similar effort at supersessionism in reverse, taking over elements of Nazi racial ideology to bolster and redefine the Christian message. The result was an uneasy competition between two sides seeking popular support and institutional control, though access to power was, of course, highly asymmetrical.

Thus, while seeking to undermine the political power and moral authority of the churches, Nazism simultaneously appropriated key elements of Christian theology into its own ideology both for purposes of winning adherents used to Christian arguments and also to give its own message a coherence and resonance with the age-old Christian teachings that had shaped European culture. Conversely, German Christians appropriated Nazi rhetoric and symbols into the church to give its Christianity a contemporary resonance. Both the Nazis and the German Christians identified Hitler as Christ’s second coming. That gave Hitler the status of a supernatural being and gave Christ renewed glory as a contemporary figure of enormous political significance. Both were suspicious of the institutional church. Factions within the Nazi Reich and the party saw the church as competition and a potential threat to be ultimately eliminated after the war.19 The German Christians sought control and radical reform of the Protestant church, which they never fully achieved, leading them to bitter complaints and, in some cases, demands for its demolition. Meanwhile, Christianity was not to be banned nor the churches outlawed; rather, as the historian Ernst Piper writes, Nazi strategy was to control the churches and lead to “a steadily advancing process of delegitimization and disassociation, of undermining and repression” that would undercut the church’s moral authority and position of respect.20 In its own supersessionist theology, an amalgam of Nazism and Christianity, with a rejection of church authority and doctrine, an assertion of German supremacy and Jewish degeneracy, and absurd revisions of the Bible, the German Protestant church contributed substantially to the Nazi project of undermining Christianity.

The establishment of the Institute in 1939 and the proliferation of its projects during the war years demonstrates that the antisemitism of the German Christians was not simply rhetorical, but was intended to lend active support to Nazi policies against the Jews—or, at times, to push those policies in more radical directions. Indeed, certain Protestant theologians stood at the forefront in discussions of the so-called Jewish problem; Gerhard Kittel’s notorious speech of May 1933, later published as a pamphlet, has been called the most antisemitic utterance of that year.21 In considering ways to rid Germany of Jews, Kittel proposed not only expulsion and guest status, but extermination (“Ausrottung”), a method he rejected only because it was too difficult to implement. On February 24–25, 1936, a few months after the proclamation of the Nuremberg Laws, but long before Jews were being deported and murdered, a group of theologians, some of whom subsequently became leaders of the Institute, met in Dresden to discuss a merger of the German Christian factions of the state churches of Thuringia and Saxony. During the course of the meeting, Siegfried Leffler, a German Christian leader, official in the Thuringian Ministry of Education, and, by 1939, figurehead of the Institute, stated:

In a Christian life, the heart always has to be disposed toward the Jew, and that’s how it has to be. As a Christian, I can, I must, and I ought always to have or to find a bridge to the Jew in my heart. But as a Christian, I also have to follow the laws of my nation [Volk], which are often presented in a very cruel way, so that again I am brought into the harshest of confl icts with the Jew. Even if I know “thou shalt not kill” is a commandment of God or “thou shalt love the Jew” because he too is a child of the eternal Father, I am able to know as well that I have to kill him, I have to shoot him, and I can only do that if I am permitted to say: Christ.22
What is striking is not only that Leffler spoke of killing Jews as early as February 1936, long before mass murder of the Jews became Nazi policy, but that there was no response to his comments from those attending, neither immediately nor later in the session; the discussion simply continued as if murder of Jews in the name of Christ was a customary topic.23 The aryanization of Jesus into a manly, heroic, fighting spirit reflected among the theologians the “heroic realism” that prevailed in the 1930s within right-wing political thought. That “heroism” meant killing one’s opponent without emotion but in accord with principles of natural law, in defense of one’s own race and at the cost of personal sacrifice.24 Paul Althaus, professor of theology at the University of Erlangen and a noted ethicist, was present at the meeting, but expressed nothing to indicate that he was appalled or disturbed by Leffler’s remarks. The lack of outrage is evidence that ridding Germany of Jews had become an acceptable point of discussion among theologians, even when murder was proposed as a technique of achieving it. The Nuremberg Laws, while perceived by many German Jews as protection from far worse legislation, were viewed as an encouragement by the German Christian movement to take even more radical positions. Legal cases in German courts, brought in the wake of the Nuremberg Laws’ criminalization of sexual relations and marriage between Jews and Aryans, and widely reported in the German press, implicated Jews as sexual predators of Aryans, further encouraging Christian theologians to insist on protecting Christian purity by eradicating Jewishness with even more radical measures.25 The penetration of Christian bodies by Jewish sex reiterated a typical motif of racist rhetoric, the dangers of miscegenation, and reinforced fears that Aryanism was not immutable, but subject to destruction by Jews.26 Antisemites had long insisted that German Aryan women were vulnerable to Jewish predation, and Jesus, whose gentleness and suffering was viewed as effeminate by German Christians, was depicted in one caricature as an Aryan woman on a cross with a lecherous Jewish man in the foreground: the crucifixion as the Jewish rape of Germany. ............................


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no lie lilly, you are a neo NAZI, anti semite.....and a pathological liar...... thumbs up

true lilly wrote: Ah "SNOOP", yet another 'name' that demands belief in
long ago debunked myths (while denying all meaningful
discoveries of modern science), to sell more fearful following
of Death Worshiping Religions, kept 'alive' by belief in the
'out of Egypt time line', that "They" LIE is 'Biblical'.

Sorry, but you can't debate what was told us about
THE BEGINNING of Life Forming on One Super Continent,
when you insist on SKIPPING EVERYTHING DESCRIBED
BEFORE that One Super Continent Divided and Formed
new lands (like Turkey and it's Young Mountains), leaving
an INSANELY SHORT time line, that you then try to shove
ALL ANCIENT EARTH & HUMAN HISTORY into, just to try
to 'make a lie out of God's Word', that warned us about
the secret agenda of Liars like "SNOOP", and Promised to
provide Revealing Proofs of The Truth of God's Word, such
as many I have shared over the years.
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What are you blind? You didn't see the first two Posts? You don't believe Genesis 10, the Table of Nations, you don't know that life began beneath the sea before it appeared on land? You don't know/understand that human life is quantitatively and qualitateively different then all other life on this Planet and the Universe?





lilly, you falsely claim that no one responds/refutes your 'claims' that australia is the Biblical 'promised Land'. That you falsely 'claim' that australia is the Biblical Zion.

That you 'claim' that the land of egypt is not mentioned in the Bible, that some of the events of Abraham, Joseph, and the Tribes of the Hebrews/Israelites did not take place in Egypt.

You also Falsely claim that Yahshua/Jesus 'did away' with the Torah/Instruction of YHWH-Yahweh.

You also Falsely claim that 'spiritual Israel' replaces the Jews and the geographical Israel.


ALL of your 'claims' are FALSE and I, Senor El Kabong, Monsieur Le Sabrage and Barnacle Bill have refuted ALL your 'claims', proving them to be FALSE and wrong with credentialed Scholarship and credentialed Academic and Theological Sources.

Here is your challenge. Will you run away as always, obfusicate the clear meanings or will you 'stand toe to toe' and support your FALSE 'claims' with credentialed sources that can be verified.

Truth IS NOT ambiguous and subject to personal opinion. TRUTH is FACT/Reality. Below is a Timeline of the Earths Evolution.........from the beginning. Notice the formation and dissolution of the various Super-continents. Also notice the great oxidization of the earths atmosphere event.......all supported by the fossil record. Do you agree or disagree?


The Kloo Store is open!!!!! The words you are talking about ORIGINALLY were scribed in Hebrew, at Sinai. Circa approximately 1,500 BCE............examine this authentic scientific Timeline............Notice, if you will when the Landmasses SEPARATED..........Notice if you will the Oxidization of the Atmosphere.......before you babble anymore nonsense acquire the Genesis Enigma by Andrew Parker......all you are doing is Antisemitic/judeophobic propaganda replacement bullshit...... ..


http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/timeline.html



Counting Backwards from Now

60 years ago - Invention of the computer.

130 years ago - Invention of the telephone.

180 years ago - Fossil fuel revolution: coal, trains.

540 years ago - Invention of the printing press.

5,500 years ago - Invention of the wheel, writing.

7,600 years ago - Sahara desert starts forming in northern Africa.

8,800 years ago - The first cities.

10,300 years ago - End of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

12,700 - 11,500 years ago - the Younger Dryas.

18,000 years ago - Cultivation of plants, herding of animals. Homo sapiens arrives in the Americas.

21,000 years ago - Last glacial maximum: ice sheets down to the Great Lakes, the mouth of the Rhine, and covering the British Isles.

32,000 years ago - Oldest known cave paintings.

35,000 years ago - Invention of the calendar, extinction of Homo neanderthalensis. Homo sapiens arrives in Europe.

50,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in central Asia.

100,000 years ago - Homo sapiens arrives in the Middle East.

110,000 years ago - Beginning of the most recent glacial period: the Wisconsin glaciation.

130,000 years ago - Beginning of the Eemian interglacial.

200,000 years ago - Beginning of the 2nd most recent glacial period: the Wolstonian glaciation.

250,000 years ago - First Homo sapiens.

350,000 years ago - First Homo neanderthalensis.

380,000 years ago - Beginning of the Hoxnian interglacial.

450,000 years ago - Beginning of the 3rd most recent glacial period: the Kansan glaciation, during which ice sheets reached their maximum extent in the Pleistocene, down to Kansas and Slovakia.

620,000 years ago - Beginning of the Cromerian interglacial.

1.4 million years ago - First firemaking by humans.

1.9 million years ago - First Homo erectus.

2.5 million years ago - First Homo habilis. Beginning of a period of repeated glaciation (loosely speaking, "ice ages").

3 million years - Cooling trend causes year-round ice to form at the North Pole.

3.9 million years ago - First known Australopithecus afarensis.

5 million years ago - Humans split off from other apes (gorillas and chimpanzees).

21 million years ago - Apes split off from other monkeys.

24 million years ago - Cooling trend causes the formation of grasslands; Antarctica becomes covered with ice.

34 million years ago - Gondwanaland finishes breaking up, with Australia and South America separating from Antarctica.

50 million years ago - India begins to collide with Asia, eventually forming the Himalayas.

67 million years ago - Asteroid hit Mexico, causing the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction. End of dinosaurs. 50% of all species died out! Intensification of world cooling trend.

114 million years ago - First modern mammals. World begins to cool.

150 million years ago - First birds.

200 million years ago - Pangaea began to split into separate continents: Gondwana to the south and Laurasia to the north, separated by the Tethys Sea.

205 million years ago - The Triassic-Jurassic extinction. End of large amphibians and many reptiles.

235 million years ago - First dinosaurs, flowers.

250 million years ago - The Permian-Triassic extinction. 90% of all species died out! Formation of the supercontinent Pangaea, with surrounding ocean Panthalassa.

313 million years ago - First reptiles.

365 million years ago - The Late Devonian extinction. 70% of marine species died out! First amphibians, trees.

395 million years ago - First insects on land.

415 million years ago - The Old Red Sandstone Continent, also known as Laurussia, is formed by the collision of Baltica and Laurentia at the beginning of the Devonian.

440 million years ago - The Ordovician-Silurian extinction. Most marine species died out.

670 million years ago - First animals.

630-850 million years ago - The Cryogenian Period, also known as Snowball Earth - the worst ice age in the Earth's history.

800 million years ago - The supercontinent Rodinia begins to break up.

1 billion years ago - Formation of the supercontinent Rodinia


1.3 billion years ago - First plants.

1.6 billion years ago - First blue-green algae.

2.4 billion years ago - The Great Oxidation Event: the Earth's atmosphere gets oxygen.

3 billion years ago - Formation of the first known continent, Ur.
3.8 - 4 billion years ago - The Late Heavy Bombardment: a period during which the Earth, Moon, Venus and Mars were subjected to many asteroid impacts, after a relatively calm period of several million years.

4 billion years ago - First life on Earth. wave


4.45 billion years ago - Formation of Earth complete; storm of asteroid impacts.

4.5 billion years ago - Formation of the Moon: according to the Giant Impact Hypothesis, this happened when Theia collided with proto-Earth.

4.55 billion years ago - Formation of the Solar System.

13.3 billion years ago - Reionization: the first stars heat and ionize hydrogen gas.

13.3 - 13.7 billion years ago - The Dark Ages, after the formation of hydrogen and before the first stars.

13.7 billion years ago - The Big Bang: beginning of the universe as we know it!


The Genesis enigma: How DID the Bible describe the evolution of life 3,000 years before Darwin?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz1eMgMePRe

The revalation came to Professor Andrew Parker during a visit to Rome. He was in the Sistine Chapel, gazing up at Michelangelo's awesome ceiling paintings, when a realisation struck him with dizzying force.
'A Biblical enigma exists that is on the one hand so cryptic it has remained camouflaged for millennia, and on the other so obvious one cannot miss it.'
The enigma is that the order of Creation as described in the Book of Genesis, and so powerfully depicted in the Sistine Chapel by the greatest artist of the Renaissance, has been precisely, eerily confirmed by modern evolutionary science.

Yet how on earth could this be possible? And why had nobody noticed it before?
Such was the starting point of Parker's jaw-dropping new book, The Genesis Enigma: an astounding work which seeks to prove that the ancient Hebrew writers of the Book of Genesis knew all about evolution - 3,000 years before Darwin.
It takes a journey back through aeons of geological time, and also into the minds and imaginations of the ancient Israelites.
Andrew Parker is a leading scientist in his field: a research fellow at Oxford University, research leader at the Natural History Museum, and as if that weren't enough, a professor at Shanghai's Jiao Tong university.
As a scientist he never paid much heed to the Book of Genesis, assuming, like most of his colleagues, that such primitive mythology - which is believed to have been compiled from several sources between 950 and 500 BC - has long since been 'disproved' by hard scientific fact.
But after his Sistine Chapel moment, he went back to look at Genesis in more detail. And what he read astonished him. It was even, he says, 'slightly scary'.
Somehow - God alone knew how - the writer or writers of that ancient text had described how the evolution of life on earth took place in precise detail and perfect order.
Our ancestors possessed a truly timeless wisdom It is always disturbing and haunting to encounter an ancient wisdom that seems to anticipate or even exceed our own.
More fanciful writers immediately start to theorise wildly: that those who built the pyramids, or Stonehenge, must have been guided by super-intelligent aliens, that sort of thing.
Andrew Parker, a scientist and proud of it, has no time for such twaddle. But he does gradually come to understand, in the course of his investigations, that our ancestors of thousands of years ago, though they may not have had iPods and plasma-screen televisions, nevertheless possessed a wisdom that was, quite literally, timeless: as true now as it was then.
In the Book of Genesis, God first and most famously creates heaven and earth, but 'without form', and commands: 'Let there be light.' A perfect description of the Big Bang, that founding moment of our universe some 13 billion years ago, an unimaginable explosion of pure energy and matter 'without form' out of nothing - the primordial Biblical 'void'.
He then creates the dry land out of the waters, but it is the water that comes first. As Parker points out, scientists today understand very similarly that water is indeed crucial for life.

When 'astrobiologists' look into space for signs of life on other planets, the first thing they look for is the possible presence of water.
On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'
Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.
But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.

The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.
As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.
Naturally, says Parker, 'the ancient Israelites would have been oblivious to any single-celled life form, let alone cyanobacteria', but 'grass' as a loose description of life forms that photosynthesise?

On the fourth day, Genesis famously becomes confusing. On the first day, remember, God has already created light, and made Day and Night. But it isn't until day four that he makes the lights in heaven, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser the night.
Hang on - so he made 'Day' three days before he made the Sun? Houston, I think we have a problem.

Yet the writers of Genesis were just as well aware as us, surely, that the sunrise causes the day. You don't need a degree in astronomy to work that one out. What on earth did they mean?
Here, The Genesis Enigma comes up with a stunningly ingenious answer. For Parker argues that day four refers to the evolution of vision.
Until the first creatures on earth evolved eyes, in a sense, the sun and moon didn't exist. There was no creature on earth to see them, nor the light they cast.

When Genesis says: 'Let there be lights... To divide the day from the night,' it is talking about eyes.
'The very first eye on earth effectively turned on the lights for animal behaviour,' writes Professor Parker, 'and consequently for further rapid evolution.'
Almost overnight, life suddenly grew vastly more complex. Predators were able to hunt far more efficiently, and so prey had to evolve fast too - or get eaten.

The moment that there were 'lights', or eyes, then life exploded into all its infinite variety.
And yet again, that's what Genesis says happened, and in the correct environment too. In the sea.
For on the very next day of Creation, the fifth day: 'God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life."'

That is exactly what happened. Life that had hitherto been lived in the dark, by simple, slow-moving, worm-like creatures, erupted into dazzling diversity. We know all about it from the world famous Burgess Shale fossils.
They were discovered in the summer of 1909 by one Charles Doolittle Walcott, on holiday with his family in the Canadian Rockies. Walcott began to chip away at the shale with his geological hammer, and quite by chance stumbled upon one of the greatest finds in all science.
For the shale records what happened on our planet around 508 million years ago, long before the first dinosaurs: the 'Cambrian expolosion,' which most scientists now think was indeed the direct result of the evolution of vision.
Life on earth exploded in all its infinite variety The life-forms discovered look like nothing else: fabulous, phantasmagoric, alien beings. One had five eyes, and a long wavy snout with jaws on the end. Another looked like an octopus with its head stuck in a beaker, and another can only be described as 'a swimming pea with a pair of beady eyes, bull's horns, a pair of "hands" and a fish's tail.'
Others resemble balls of spines, vase-shaped pin-cushions, or badminton shuttlecocks with chameleon-like tongues. Anyone who doubts the power of evolution by natural selection only has to look at the Burgess Shale fossils.
How does Genesis describe the teeming aquatic life of the Cambrian explosion? 'And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life." ' Immediately following the creation of vision.
How did the writer/writers know that life suddenly diversified into this rich and staggering variety, under the oceans, not on land? Why would a very much land-based people, pastoralists and shepherds, even think like this?
After the Cambrian come the Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian periods - or the appearance of 'great whales', as Genesis succinctly puts it.
How better to describe those epochs which gave us such monsters of the deep as Dunkleosteus, a carnivorous armoured fish whose appearance, says Parker, was 'simply terrifying'. Some 35ft long, 'the size of a small coach', with massive, bone-crunching jaws, even its eyes were armoured.
And after the sea monsters come the birds, the animals, cattle, and finally, homo sapiens. All present and correct, and all still in the right order. Once again, 'In describing how the planet and life around us came to be, the writer of the Genesis narrative got it disturbingly right'.
So what should we make of the extraordinary findings of The Genesis Enigma?
Professor Parker is clear on this subject. 'It would be a great shame if my findings were either misused in an attempt to suggest that scientists themselves are unsure about science, or pounded out of all recognition into support of the seven-day creation premise.'
There is no doubt that literal-minded Creationists do a disservice to the triumphant achievements of modern science, and to the beauty and poetry of the Bible. Evolution is taking place around us all the time. It's why the MRSA superbug has become so dangerously immune to antibiotics, why the race is on to beat the swine flu virus.
Nevertheless, when Parker comes to explaining how the writers of Genesis knew what they knew, he can only conclude that it was due to 'divine intervention', or 'a lucky guess'. Since the odds of the latter seem fantastically remote, Parker tentatively suggests the former.



That totally refutes your unsupported claims. You pervert The Word of God, you dismiss and attack the Torah, Gods instruction to humanity, you claim to replace the jews and Israel based upon distorted and deformed interpretation of Hebrew Texts.......you.........suzi/lilly are the proverbial False Prophet, a pessimist, it took you a week to respond to an honest debate and you lied and bullshitted... thumbs up

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Post  true lilly on Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:40 pm

Explosions rock anti-mafia priest's center in Italy
From:AFP
December 27, 2011
9:37AM
A PAIR of explosions Monday (local time)
rocked a center for immigrant children
run by an anti-mafia priest in southern Italy,

local officials said, adding that no one was injured.


One of the blasts slightly damaged part of the building in Lamezia Terme,
a town with historic ties to the Calabrian mafia, known as the 'Ndrangheta.

The four-story building has since 2004 been used as a center for disabled people
run by Father Giacomo Panizza, who has struggled for years against the mafia.

"This seems like a very clear message," said the priest, known locally as Don Panizza.
He said he has received previous death threats from the powerful crime syndicate.

Last year, Panizza added an immigrant children's center to his building. The building
had been previously confiscated from the 'Ndrangheta after the group used it as a front
for drug trafficking.

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Panizza is respected across Italy for his social work and struggle against organized crime.
true lilly wrote:
PEOPLE SMUGGLERS PREY ON NEW ARRIVALS
People smugglers prey on new arrivals
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/people-smugglers-preying-on-new-arrivals/story-fn7x8me2-1226230797939

Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.

THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries
. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers,
sailors and air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries
in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.


A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.


The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are
offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.
true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
Hagbard Celine

Footie McGrew

Ciggy

Lemonpie
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:57 am
Posts: 324

...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.
Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to
,
One VERY big 'hint'

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:02 PM
by true-lilly

Joined: 13-March 06


Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Board Closed
This board has been closed for Terms of Service violations.

The Terms of Service
tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of AUSTRALIA.
Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.


The road to OZ....


The Golden Road...

California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...

Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.


From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.


BRITAIN WARNED OF RECESSION RISK
Britain warned of recession risk

11:57AM
AFP
THE crisis in the eurozone
and sapped consumer confidence
risk sending Britain into recession,
a leading think tank warns.

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Post  true lilly on Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:17 pm

But we had a deal...when "you" remove all
"Billy Ruben/el kabong/la sabrage/Ciggy/barnical bill/et all's"
WAY OFF TOPIC REPEAT, REPEAT, REPEATED, LONG AGO DEBUNKED,
SPAM
from my threads, I won't have to get my threads Back On Topic
With Topical Updates.


Oh, sorry, that was dependent on "you" wanting to expose
the wicked behind woo woos, not keep it covered up.

And I did ask for "quotes" with built in links to their original posts
so that whole posts didn't have to be re-posted to keep the context
that "they" so luuvvv to spam over with "their" off topic libels.

I was only going to run one thread again, with the link to
"posts by true lilly" but as non-member readers can't use that way
of skipping all "Billy Ruben/et al's" off topic spam, I can't give folk
that option either.


But as we know, when "Billy Ruben/et al" go sick spamming over
my posts, then complaining about my 'spam'
, it's those posts of mine
that "they" spam over, that "they" really want no one to read,
and consider.
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Post  true lilly on Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:45 pm


AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly


David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly


MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly


Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly


SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS

Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


by:Jessica Marszalek

From:Herald Sun
December 30, 2011
12:00AM
28 comments


Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.


Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.


It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.


Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.


Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.


There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.


28 comments on this story

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly


SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS

Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben
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Post  true lilly on Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:46 pm

true lilly wrote:IT BEGINS....
true lilly wrote:CAN'T FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN COUNTRY?
WE WANT YOU.

Can't fight for your own country? We want you


THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries
. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.


A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.


The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are
offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.
Billy Ruben wrote:I
was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour
warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health
act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5
days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me
away after the hoax rape fiasco.


Of course I was sane,even the
nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt
with a patient a victim of the same group.


But don't say I didn't
warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and
maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe
laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker
in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting
needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.


Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This
part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and
snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my
job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.


And I know
you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent
your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.


Now,enjoy
the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I
will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of
course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I
love you.




true lilly wrote:
MRS SARABJIT PALMER!!! wrote:Yes !!!!!!!!! Yes
!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!!!!! Make MRS TISWAS PALMER a ModerAtor OF Sodlike
Productions MR SODLIKE!!!!!!! yOU NEED A STRONG WILLED PERSON HERE aND
MRS TISWAS PALMER IS hard wHen it come to the strap adiCktome nights
WITH BARRY.

true lilly wrote:NO.
So I expect it.

Well 'you' can only spam over so much Real World News
that 'you' 'all' abuse me for asking folk to THINK about.

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


by:Jessica Marszalek
From:Herald Sun
December 30, 2011
12:00AM
28 comments

Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.

Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.

It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.

Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.

Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.

There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.

28 comments on this story

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben
Wink
true lilly wrote:TV ban on asylum seekers
by:The Australian
From:The Australian
December 28, 2011
12:12AM


TV stations may be banned from showing images of asylum seekers*
arriving in Australia by boat, The Australian reported today.

New rules handed down by the Australian Communications and Media
Authority restrict what can be broadcast, after lobbying from the
Immigration Department.


Under the changes, a person's *privacy would be protected
even if they were filmed in a public place.


The rules would mean that broadcasting images of *asylum seekers arriving
in Australian waters by boat
might be stopped
, the newspaper said.


PEOPLE SMUGGLERS PREY ON NEW ARRIVALS
People smugglers prey on new arrivals


Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.

Editorial: Boats continue to set sail
true lilly wrote:Last Updated: December 28, 2011
TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES AHEAD
Tough economic times ahead

Stephen McMahon

THE tidal wave of bad news
that has engulfed the global economy
in the past six months is
expected to worsen in early 2012.


BRITAIN AT RISK OF TUMBLING
Britain at risk of tumbling


Stephen McMahon
BRITAIN is in danger of becoming
the latest European casualty
with a warning it risks tumbling into
a "double dip" recession next year.


AUSSIE WAGES LURE RECORD NUMBER OF KIWIS
Aussie wages lure record number of Kiwis

NUMBER of Kiwis setting up home in Australia
hits an all-time high,

with nearly 1000 people a week crossing the ditch.
It Began,
LONG BEFORE May 2008...

true lilly wrote:Professor Bill Collins devises
'billion-year perspective'
to pinpoint minerals

From:AAP
December 27, 2011

12:24AM
AN Australian scientist says he has found a way
to make it easier to locate valuable minerals.


Professor Bill Collins, of the University of Newcastle's School of Environmental and
Life Sciences, says he has devised a new "billion-year perspective" that examines
the way the Earth was constructed over the past 2000 million years.

The information can be used to try to pinpoint the location
of potential mineral deposits.


"We can use continental drift and other techniques
to track the continents back through time,"
Prof Collins said today.


"It is like a big jigsaw puzzle
with bits and pieces of continents
ripping off one landmass
and transferring to another."

Prof Collins believes the Pacific Rim
contains many copper and gold deposits.


Examining geological information contained in tiny grains of zircon,
which is common in the crust of the Earth, has also given him a new way
to find where the ancient "Pacific Rims" were.


"Many of the ancient margins are now within the continental interior.
This is where the copper and gold reserves will be hidden."

Prof Collins said the ability to predict prospective terrains,
both under the surface and in the highest geological layers,
will be the biggest benefit of his research.
Oh, we know why "you legion" regularly read my posts,
and made me a little cave to post them in.

However, the quality of the readership is not the issue,
but that for close to 7 years, they've continued to be read,
by both, non-replying, independently thinking readers, and,
the same Professional Trolls, who have attacked me with the
same bald faced lies, from the beginning.

And the only thing you all have in common, is interest in a
real world, world view, that other's aren't paying attention to.
Some, to do good with what that view reveals, others, to do ill.

So I don't post much of anything anymore, and stick mainly to
the front pages of the popular news when I do, and then, without
much commentary, if any at all.

And dang if the fools don't still find ways to hang themselves, by
fishing for 'what I mean (by what someone else wrote)',
and/or attacking me for what they
'think I mean (by what someone else wrote)'.
Even when I post news that they generally agree with,
they still manage to excuse attacking me anyway.Rolling Eyes

It's called, "Today's News and Current Affairs", and I post some
that cover topics worthy of full and free consideration, with links
to quoted sources, for readers to further explore the topics from. Smile
true lilly wrote:
Tuesday 27 December 2011

Curbs on Antarctic tourism

Plans to limit tourism in Antarctic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5140141/Plans-to-limit-tourism-in-Antarctic.html
The number of tourists visiting Antarctica could be restricted
under British plans, amid fears that the increase in cruise ships in the
area threatens to cause irreparable damage to the continent's pristine
environment.

Some may recall I posted other old 'news' on this recently,
from an Australian perspective.

As I did years ago, when I posted about
"Patagonian Toothfish Pirates", and
The 'Whaling' Wars
.


It is NOT about 'tourists' hurting the frozen south,
it is NOT about protecting fish and whales,
but about Shoring Up The Glorious South;
The Land Promised to Re-gathered Israel.


Japan eases self-imposed arms export ban
From:AFP

December 27, 2011 8:42PM

TOKYO has eased a decades-old self-imposed ban on arms exports,
paving the way for Japanese firms to participate in multinational
weapons projects.

In a move intended to bolster the domestic arms industry and
reduce national defence spending, officially pacifist Japan will for
the first time in decades routinely allow its companies to partner with
foreign firms
to develop weapons.


"Under the new standards, Japan will be able to transport military equipment
for missions of peace-building and international co-operation," Foreign Minister
Koichiro Gemba told reporters today.


"This will mean that Japan can now address
international peace co-operation
and global challenges such as terrorism and piracy
more proactively and effectively.
"

Japan, whose industries took many years to recover from the devastation of
World War II, declared in 1967 that it would very tightly control its
foreign weapons sales.


Related Coverage


At the height of the Cold War, then prime minister Eisaku Sato said
Tokyo would not sell armaments to communist states, countries directly
engaged in international conflicts, or nations under UN arms embargoes.


The restrictions were further tightened in 1976 when Japan said all exports
would be subject to stringent rules that effectively barred all weapon sales.


A limited number of exceptions were subsequently made for technological
co-operation projects such as missile defence with the United States, Japan's
cornerstone security ally.


The new rules will allow Japan to develop and produce arms jointly with the US
and European countries and to export military equipment for peaceful and
humanitarian purposes such as UN peace-keeping operations.


Tokyo will also be allowed to provide defensive equipment, such as helmets and
bullet-proof vests, to the limited number of countries in which its Self-Defence Forces
are deployed.


Critics of the ban say it was a Cold War relic that has resulted in Japan's military
hardware capability becoming outdated,while increasingly assertive regional rival
China continues to spend heavily on defence technology.


But supporters say any move to expand Tokyo's military reach, however limited,
is likely to rankle in Beijing and Seoul, where Japan's wartime aggression remains
a sensitive subject.
true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
Hagbard Celine

Footie McGrew

Ciggy

Lemonpie
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:57 am
Posts: 324

...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.

Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to
,
One VERY big 'hint'

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:02 PM
by true-lilly

Joined:
13-March 06


Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Board Closed
This board has been closed for Terms of Service violations.

The Terms of Service
tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of
AUSTRALIA.

Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.


The road to OZ....


The Golden Road...
California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...

Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.


From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.
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Post  true lilly on Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:05 pm

You do realize how MANY DANGEROUS roads, seas and borders
these 'asylum seekers' HAVE TO ESCAPE, OUT of AND INTO,
to 'escape' the HOMElands they are 'claiming' to need asylum from,
before they make it to their TARGET COUNTRY, AUSTRALIA,
O'Zion.


Australian 'Mr X' sought over asylum boat tragedy
by:AAP
From:AAP
December 30, 2011

9:29AM


Watch
Aust man sought over asylum boat tragedy

Australian man accused of involvement with organisers of the overloaded asylum boat that sank off Java.

Indonesian
police carry a young boy who survived the boat tragedy. The boat was
heavily overloaded with Afghan and Iranian asylum-seekers.
Picture: AFP AdelaideNow


AN Australian has been accused of involvement with organisers of the
overloaded asylum seeker boat that sank this month killing as many as
200 people.

Indonesian police spokesman Saud Usman Nasution has told Fairfax
newspapers that investigators have given the name of the man to
Australian Federal Police after several survivors identified him.


"We have passed on the name of the Australian man - Mr X - to the AFP
to follow up," Inspector-General Nasution said.


But an AFP spokeswoman told Fairfax that
"the AFP has not received a referral from the Indonesian national police".


"The AFP has made no arrests in relation to this matter
and this is a matter for the Indonesian authorities,"
she said.


Told of the AFP comments,
General Nasution insisted the name
had been passed on and the investigation was a joint effort by
both countries' law enforcement agencies.


Four Indonesian soldiers have been detained for their involvement
with two local owners of small boats used to ferry the asylum seekers to
their "mother ship" at sea, but there have been reports indicating more
security personnel and officials were involved.


General Nasution said multiple suspects had been identified in Indonesia and in
"countries of origin", understood to be Pakistan and Iran.
true
lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:First a cup of tea,then I make
your life miserable old slag.I know you love it,you have nothing of
value to say.Hide away yesterday?Really think I'm joking about reporting
you Suzy Ryan...I did.



Is "tintin" still alive?
Well, it's been a while since I've read 'Aarnout van der Plooge/tintin's' 'voice'
in 'his' posts, and some really big things happened around those times he
'went away' and would come back with different 'voices'.

You know, the really big things that I posted on
and the rest of The CONspiracy Industry ignored,
as 'they' do when it shows 'them' for what 'they' are.

true lilly wrote:I tried to post this to make my ICKEST=TEAM TINTIN KILLER Point - A
PICTURE PAINTS A THOUSAND WORDS...THE ICKEST 'lions' PLAN TO DEVOUR
AUSTRALIANS... SO 'they' ARE SLAVING TO CONvince THE WORLD of THE FILTHY
LIE that, WE OF O'Zion "AREN'T HUMAN"...!!!
http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=246
true lilly wrote:IT BEGINS....
true lilly wrote:CAN'T FIGHT FOR YOUR OWN COUNTRY?
WE WANT YOU.

Can't fight for your own country? We want you


THE Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from other western countries
. Read more

The Australian Defence force is trying to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and
air crew from Britain, the US and other western countries in order to fill quotas.

The Australian reports (subscribers only) the navy has sent a delegation to Britain
to discover how many retrenched sailors, particularly engineers, are available.


A report on maintenance in Australia's navy suggested that
as many as 200 engineers are needed to rebuild lost expertise.


The paper reports the department also is looking for defence specialists,
such as fighter pilots, submarine crews and officers and are
offering
fast-tracked Australian citizenship as an incentive.
Billy Ruben wrote:I
was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour
warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health
act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5
days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me
away after the hoax rape fiasco.


Of course I was sane,even the
nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt
with a patient a victim of the same group.


But don't say I didn't
warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and
maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe
laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker
in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting
needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.


Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This
part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and
snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my
job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.


And I know
you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent
your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.


Now,enjoy
the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I
will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of
course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I
love you.


true lilly wrote:
MRS SARABJIT PALMER!!! wrote:Yes !!!!!!!!! Yes
!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!!!!! Make MRS TISWAS PALMER a ModerAtor OF Sodlike
Productions MR SODLIKE!!!!!!! yOU NEED A STRONG WILLED PERSON HERE aND
MRS TISWAS PALMER IS hard wHen it come to the strap adiCktome nights
WITH BARRY.

true lilly wrote:NO.
So I expect it.

Well 'you' can only spam over so much Real World News
that 'you' 'all' abuse me for asking folk to THINK about.

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben

AEC admits it can't establish
who is flouting electoral laws


by:Jessica Marszalek
From:Herald Sun
December 30, 2011
12:00AM
28 comments

Julia Gillard and her partner Tim Mathieson during the 2010 federal poll. Herald Sun

AS many as 16,000 Australians got away with voting more than once in the 2010 razor's edge federal poll.

Dozens may have voted three times or more, but only three copped a slap on the wrist.

The Australian Electoral Commission has admitted to a Senate committee its
own records make it difficult to tell who is flouting electoral laws.

And it has been revealed little can be done if voters deny it.

Of the 16,189 people the AEC suspected of multiple votes, 5211 denied it
and 80 per cent of the 1458 who confessed were new voters or did not
understand how to vote.

It was decided 7925 were errors, many caused when
voters with similar names were recorded under the same name by accident.

Electoral Commissioner Ed Killesteyn told the committee the offence was
hard to prove as there was no real evidence if a person denied the offence.

Victorian Liberal senator Scott Ryan said the lack of prosecution
sent a confusing message to the country.

There have been calls for the introduction of photo ID,
with some seats won or lost on just a few votes.

28 comments on this story

Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election
by true lilly

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA
by true lilly

MASS MANIPULATOR David Icke INDUSTRIES
by true lilly

Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011?
by true lilly

SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT AUSTRALIA!!!
by TIZWAS
Should Tiswas be appointed Moderator Of Sodlike Productions
by Billy Ruben
Wink
true lilly wrote:TV ban on asylum seekers
by:The Australian
From:The Australian
December 28, 2011
12:12AM


TV stations may be banned from showing images of asylum seekers*
arriving in Australia by boat, The Australian reported today.

New rules handed down by the Australian Communications and Media
Authority restrict what can be broadcast, after lobbying from the
Immigration Department.


Under the changes, a person's *privacy would be protected
even if they were filmed in a public place.


The rules would mean that broadcasting images of *asylum seekers arriving
in Australian waters by boat
might be stopped
, the newspaper said.


PEOPLE SMUGGLERS PREY ON NEW ARRIVALS
People smugglers prey on new arrivals


Richard Noone, Jessica Marszalek

PEOPLE smugglers are sending touts to Indonesian airports in an effort
to sign up arrivals willing to jump on a boat to Australia.

Editorial: Boats continue to set sail
true lilly wrote:Last Updated: December 28, 2011
TOUGH ECONOMIC TIMES AHEAD
Tough economic times ahead

Stephen McMahon

THE tidal wave of bad news
that has engulfed the global economy
in the past six months is
expected to worsen in early 2012.


BRITAIN AT RISK OF TUMBLING
Britain at risk of tumbling


Stephen McMahon
BRITAIN is in danger of becoming
the latest European casualty
with a warning it risks tumbling into
a "double dip" recession next year.


AUSSIE WAGES LURE RECORD NUMBER OF KIWIS
Aussie wages lure record number of Kiwis

NUMBER of Kiwis setting up home in Australia
hits an all-time high,

with nearly 1000 people a week crossing the ditch.
It Began,
LONG BEFORE May 2008...

true lilly wrote:Professor Bill Collins devises
'billion-year perspective'
to pinpoint minerals

From:AAP
December 27, 2011

12:24AM
AN Australian scientist says he has found a way
to make it easier to locate valuable minerals.


Professor Bill Collins, of the University of Newcastle's School of Environmental and
Life Sciences, says he has devised a new "billion-year perspective" that examines
the way the Earth was constructed over the past 2000 million years.

The information can be used to try to pinpoint the location
of potential mineral deposits.


"We can use continental drift and other techniques
to track the continents back through time,"
Prof Collins said today.


"It is like a big jigsaw puzzle
with bits and pieces of continents
ripping off one landmass
and transferring to another."

Prof Collins believes the Pacific Rim
contains many copper and gold deposits.


Examining geological information contained in tiny grains of zircon,
which is common in the crust of the Earth, has also given him a new way
to find where the ancient "Pacific Rims" were.


"Many of the ancient margins are now within the continental interior.
This is where the copper and gold reserves will be hidden."

Prof Collins said the ability to predict prospective terrains,
both under the surface and in the highest geological layers,
will be the biggest benefit of his research.
Oh, we know why "you legion" regularly read my posts,
and made me a little cave to post them in.

However, the quality of the readership is not the issue,
but that for close to 7 years, they've continued to be read,
by both, non-replying, independently thinking readers, and,
the same Professional Trolls, who have attacked me with the
same bald faced lies, from the beginning.

And the only thing you all have in common, is interest in a
real world, world view, that other's aren't paying attention to.
Some, to do good with what that view reveals, others, to do ill.

So I don't post much of anything anymore, and stick mainly to
the front pages of the popular news when I do, and then, without
much commentary, if any at all.

And dang if the fools don't still find ways to hang themselves, by
fishing for 'what I mean (by what someone else wrote)',
and/or attacking me for what they
'think I mean (by what someone else wrote)'.
Even when I post news that they generally agree with,
they still manage to excuse attacking me anyway.Rolling Eyes

It's called, "Today's News and Current Affairs", and I post some
that cover topics worthy of full and free consideration, with links
to quoted sources, for readers to further explore the topics from. Smile
true lilly wrote:
Tuesday 27 December 2011

Curbs on Antarctic tourism

Plans to limit tourism in Antarctic

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/5140141/Plans-to-limit-tourism-in-Antarctic.html
The number of tourists visiting Antarctica could be restricted
under British plans, amid fears that the increase in cruise ships in the
area threatens to cause irreparable damage to the continent's pristine
environment.

Some may recall I posted other old 'news' on this recently,
from an Australian perspective.

As I did years ago, when I posted about
"Patagonian Toothfish Pirates", and
The 'Whaling' Wars
.


It is NOT about 'tourists' hurting the frozen south,
it is NOT about protecting fish and whales,
but about Shoring Up The Glorious South;
The Land Promised to Re-gathered Israel.


Japan eases self-imposed arms export ban
From:AFP

December 27, 2011 8:42PM

TOKYO has eased a decades-old self-imposed ban on arms exports,
paving the way for Japanese firms to participate in multinational
weapons projects.

In a move intended to bolster the domestic arms industry and
reduce national defence spending, officially pacifist Japan will for
the first time in decades routinely allow its companies to partner with
foreign firms
to develop weapons.


"Under the new standards, Japan will be able to transport military equipment
for missions of peace-building and international co-operation," Foreign Minister
Koichiro Gemba told reporters today.


"This will mean that Japan can now address
international peace co-operation
and global challenges such as terrorism and piracy
more proactively and effectively.
"

Japan, whose industries took many years to recover from the devastation of
World War II, declared in 1967 that it would very tightly control its
foreign weapons sales.


Related Coverage
At the height of the Cold War, then prime minister Eisaku Sato said
Tokyo would not sell armaments to communist states, countries directly
engaged in international conflicts, or nations under UN arms embargoes.


The restrictions were further tightened in 1976 when Japan said all exports
would be subject to stringent rules that effectively barred all weapon sales.


A limited number of exceptions were subsequently made for technological
co-operation projects such as missile defence with the United States, Japan's
cornerstone security ally.


The new rules will allow Japan to develop and produce arms jointly with the US
and European countries and to export military equipment for peaceful and
humanitarian purposes such as UN peace-keeping operations.


Tokyo will also be allowed to provide defensive equipment, such as helmets and
bullet-proof vests, to the limited number of countries in which its Self-Defence Forces
are deployed.


Critics of the ban say it was a Cold War relic that has resulted in Japan's military
hardware capability becoming outdated,while increasingly assertive regional rival
China continues to spend heavily on defence technology.


But supporters say any move to expand Tokyo's military reach, however limited,
is likely to rankle in Beijing and Seoul, where Japan's wartime aggression remains
a sensitive subject.
true lilly wrote:Still nothing from these either:
Why NO Reviews of David Icke PREACHING in MELBOURNE Oct 2011
Hagbard Celine

Footie McGrew

Ciggy

Lemonpie
Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:57 am
Posts: 324

...oh, lots of bitter ranting against those who don't buy 'their' poison,
but nothing to explain the mysteries of David Icke's Heavily Advertised as
"Sold Out" 2011 Melbourne Show.

Where is The Global Power Base
shifting to
,
One VERY big 'hint'

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Posted: Mar 1 2007, 07:02 PM
by true-lilly

Joined:
13-March 06


Craig Oxley/Bro. Jon Phelp's "The Unhived Mind"
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php?showtopic=21916
Board Closed
This board has been closed for Terms of Service violations.

The Terms of Service
tintin wrote:
15-5-2008
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=11956&page=494
Jordan and RUDD

This RUDESS means KEVIN RUDD.
KEVIN RUDD is the Prime minister of
AUSTRALIA.

Australia is the HOME of people.
The real HOME. The PROMISED land.


The road to OZ....


The Golden Road...
California or JORDAN is DREAMLAND. Not real. Will disappear...

Jordan Rudess, born 4 NOVEMBER
member of DREAM THEATRE.


From Jordan (California) to
the land of Kevin RUDD.
THE ROAD HOME.
AUSTRALIA

Yep, that's close to 7 years of the "Ciggy's & tintin's"
continuing to hang themselves with the lifelines I drop them.
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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  Billy Ruben on Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:07 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
Hi shitbag scumbucket.Cause you were spiteful spamming unrelate crap this morning and my little modem packed in,I just had a friend/connection replace modem,line filter,all chords and Now I'm going to be a bastard and spam the fuck out of this place.Sod was warned and he can't do shit about it,so suck my dick you dog raping,child porn freak...and you admitted you have child porn and JD John Drake/Droike plays moral card one day and defends a known and self confessed pervert the next day.Enjoy the Federal Police babe,cause they're next babe...FUCK YOU BITCH !!!!!!

cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu

Billy Ruben wrote:
I was wondering Suzy Ryan,as a rough guess,did you get your 24 hour warning today?.When you do and if,under section 32 of the Mental Health act in NSW,you just have to hide in the cupboard like I did for 5 days,when I had three squad cars and a padded wagon waiting to take me away after the hoax rape fiasco.

Of course I was sane,even the nurses noticed that,believed my occult story one of them,having dealt with a patient a victim of the same group.

But don't say I didn't warn you,it's for your own good and well-being,taking a break and maybe,besides giving you plastic forks and knives and taking your shoe laces off you,(wear slip-ons or boots),behave,they might let you tinker in the garden.But you hold up those police officers with knitting needles,like I expect and you'll get your WACO...understand me.

Because,I really am Tintin/David Icke and have had my eye on you for a very long time little missy.

This part of the universe is dark and in control of Satan itself and snuffing out the very few specks of light in this dark,evil world,is my job.Don't take it to personal,my little Jesus lamb.

And I know you are the lamb to be sacrificed to begin Armageddon,but I will prevent your blood from flowing,little child of God.It is my world.

Now,enjoy the prescription drugs,a heavy regimen of,to chemically labotomise and I will visit every night,to spoon feed your mushy gruel,plastic spoon of course with a little prozac sprinkles on your ice-cream.It's because I love you.

satan satan satan satan




Billy Ruben wrote:
And when you decide to take a long stroll or go shopping,it's best to have every time-table for buses and trains,like I did.I escaped and went home for bongs,sex and real food.And a shower I did'nt need to wear footwear in.Seeing this horrible old 70 year old,squashing a shit down the drain hole of the shower.I was disgusted.Lock your shower door,or the fat brunette,who offered me free rent and a share in her house,came running in,sucking on my flaccid penis,the shampoo,blinding me at the very right second,almost,comical.I was scared of her.And always knock,before you enter any room,this horrible looking man,said I'm the Butterfly,just as hs started to ejaculate all over the back of the door from fast and furious wanking...be warned.It's gonna be fun.

cthulhu lmao


Billy Ruben wrote:Keep credit cards,ATM savings cards and all electronic ways of getting money,home,or hidden in your pants.They usually keep it in a safe and only allow you $15 a day back in 2002.Do not wear jewellery,rings,wedding or any sort.Keep valuables at home,or safety deposit box.




Billy Ruben wrote:
and keep your stupid fucking beliefs to yourself,OK...





Billy Ruben wrote:There is a forum admin here,named Sod/Julian.He's over 35,looks like a demonic version of Sting,Pommy (English),loves a night on the booze and drugs,which on average,makes him a lazy bastard.Like most western men are.Spoilt fuckin' rotten I say.But he'll find his runners,when he's conscripted for Asian battlefields,soon enough.I mean,if the bastard could use an iron lung to assist breathing,he would.It means,he hardly ever moderates,bit picky on who he answers PM's,real bitch.

However,there is a very skilled,rather energetic,smart and sassy,unbiased world wide women here,named Tiswas.

She's spiritual,understanding,gives good debates and I believe,quite unbiased in all matters concerning Icke.Offers the olive branch to those who foolishly,troll and attempt to sway her to the dark side.

This rare lady of light,with all her wisdom and knowledge,would be a great assett to the forums administration and I believe she is the answer to cleaning up the spam wars we have here,for which I trully,hand on heart apologise for my own involvement.

I hope the current admin,the one who needs a iron lung to breathe,maybe consider this idea as one of the few rare instances that I could conceive,that has a small amount of merit.

If anyone feels the idea should be lobbied to our admin,please raise your concerns here.

Thankyou to the forum for your time and consideration,yours sincerely,Billy Ruben.


thumbs up cheers


Billy Ruben wrote:I am sure,in the name of freedom of speech,that Droike,Marpat and True Lilly,their futures would be safe,in the hands of Tiswas.

Not so with Mr Ruben,who would Nazi there arses and relegate them to a new sub-forum,called The Gas Chamber.

Be lucky,that true lights like Tiswas exist.

adolf adolf adolf adolf






For I stand for Half-Caste pride,a Nazi and proud of it!!!!


ccc
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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  true lilly on Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:45 pm

So, at DIF, in the 'Today's News' Section,
'they' make a New Sub-Forum of:

US Presidential Election News 2012
but during Australia's Federal Election,
they shove my thread in 'General Chat',
and BAN ME FROM POSTING IN 'Their'
thread 'on' The Australian Federal Election.

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Post  sharky on Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:01 am

true lilly wrote: rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin





you like to spam other peoples Thread with off topic bullshit? Have a taste of your own medicine............. thumbs up

true lilly wrote: .......

................... rolling pin . rolling pin . rolling pin . rolling pin . rolling pin . rolling pin
And as I've also always stated, I KNOW GOD
HAS ALWAYS had
HIS 'CALLED OUT' doing their parts, big and small (and often,
not being aware of it at the time), in FULFILLING HIS PROMISES.



Barnacle Bill wrote: It's definitely not you , you New Age Neo Pagan Neo Nazi.........you're exactly like David Icke.a sufferer of the Nacissistic Personality Disorder.....you mislead the gullible......................................Narcissistic Personality Disorder is characterized by a long-standing pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), an overwhelming need for admiration, and usually a complete lack of empathy toward others. People with this disorder often believe they are of primary importance in everybody's life or to anyone they meet. While this pattern of behavior may be appropriate for a king in 16th Century England, it is generally considered inappropriate for most ordinary people today.

People with narcissistic personality disorder often display snobbish, disdainful, or patronizing attitudes. For example, an individual with this disorder may complain about a clumsy waiter's "rudeness" or "stupidity" or conclude a medical evaluation with a condescending evaluation of the physician.

In laypeople terms, someone with this disorder may be described simply as a "narcissist" or as someone with "narcissism." Both of these terms generally refer to someone with narcissistic personality disorder.................•Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
•Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
•Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
•Requires excessive admiration
•Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
•Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
•Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
•Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
•Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
.............
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http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx36.htm

ANTISEMITISM rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin rolling pin

But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, "They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ for
THEMSELVES....................The other EVIL of
SELLING Egypt for MITSRAYIM, is that it causes the TIME LINES of Human History
to be RIDICULOUSLY CONTRACTED into a SHORT period
of THE LAST KINGDOM AGE PERU...pooped all over Israel...Israel walked...and all that power...
dried up...then...even greater than all that was...everywhere,
all over the Americas...was built in OZ...then...in their human
pride...Israel forgot God...
{YHWHs Covenant with Abraham/Israel is eternal...........He forgives them for their human foibles.here lilly is saying that YHWH is a liar and promise breaker...she promotes Church Replacement Theology..aNew age Neo Pagan fantasy.........)

http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=home&type=2
http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/restoration/?page=3&type=12


The hideous falsehood known as [u]replacement theology has been a cancer in theological circles for the past two millennia that just seems to refuse to go away. While replacement theology takes on different applications, and modes, it is a theology originated by the early non Jewish fathers of the so called "Christian Church". It coldly states that a new Rome centered, and Roman based ecclesiastical organization called "the church", is the "new Israel". This new Israel, would now forever replace Jewish Israel, since Yahuwah permanently rejected the Jews for killing their Messiah, His Son. Extreme proponents of replacement theology have even gone so far as to claim that Yahuwah, the mean, and cruel despot, was the Elohim of the Old Covenant Jews, as opposed to Yahshua who is the forever loving, kind, and compassionate Elohim who had REPLACED YAHUWAH AS LORD OF "THE CHURCH" OR THE SO CALLED "NEW ISRAEL". In other words, Yahshua’s people have replaced the Father’s people.

This hideous doctrine is by no means a small theological side issue to be argued in a local pub. It has been at the forefront of antisemitism, Judeo-phobia, and has fully provided fuel for tragic historical events such as the Spanish Inquisition, the Catholic Crusades, the ouster of the Jews from every European country, as well as the Nazi holocaust......................................
..



The Source of all that and more...and...
so...OZ was UTTERLY DEVASTATED...and Israel headed north...
and, scattered, mixed and mingled...over all the world...again...
to start re-gathering...some few hundred years ago...Back in...
The Home Land...promised...preserved...in O'Zion...to again...
better than ever...anywhere...anytime...Re-Plant & Re-Build..........................Ah, but I'm just "CRAZY" aren't I?


lilly, you said it yourself....you are crazy, batshit crazy..... thumbs up ......... you are a crazed New age Neo Pagan Neo Nazi.......what you are doing is known as Eisegesis..the opposite of exegesis......

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eisegesis

Definition of EISEGESIS
: the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas — compare exegesis

THIS: is what honest Scriptural researchers engage in:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exegesis

Definition of EXEGESIS
: exposition, explanation; especially : an explanation or critical interpretation of a text



true lilly wrote: Now please, KNOW THIS:

If anyone of Authority, had have told me,
"shut up about Australia", during any of
the decades I've been asking these questions
and seeking real answers, I WOULD HAVE. But by ALEXANDER The Great ANTI-CHRIST
SELLING US 'EGYPT' as MITSRAYIM instead of The AMERICAS
as HOLY SCRIPTURE DESCRIBES and ACTUAL, BURIED HISTORY
SHOWS, the whole world is KILLING over a USELESS STRIP of
DESERT, Israel/Zion
"They" TELL us is 'holy', while PRESERVING OZ/Australia for
THEMSELVES!

Actually, scripture itself rebukes your lies, False translations perpetuate false interpretations, and false interpretations lead to false churches. thumbs up

And to call Israel/Zion a 'useless piece of desert illuminates your ignorance and deceit.....here are the actual facts:..

The 7 Wonders of the Jewish World

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=245708

1. Monotheism

There is an old ditty which goes, “How odd of God, to choose the Jews.” One of the many rejoinders is: “It’s not so odd; the Jews chose God.” Yet it is that very choosing of God which is odd and remarkable. As archeologist and Egyptologist Henri Frankfort wrote, “The dominant tenet of Hebrew thought is the absolute transcendence of God. God is not in nature. Neither earth nor sun nor heaven is divine; even the most potent natural phenomena are but reflections of God’s greatness... it needs an effort of the imagination to realize the shattering boldness of a contempt for imagery at the time, and in the particular historical setting, of the Hebrews.”

Aside from its role in shaping religion, monotheism also laid the foundation for the rise of science; as several historians of science have noted, the idea that disparate phenomena all follow fundamental “laws” flowed from monotheism. And the billions of adherents of Christianity and Islam are all adopting a monotheism initiated by the Jewish People.

2. The Land of Israel


The land of Israel, promised to Abraham, is small. It does not host the greatest waterfalls or the tallest mountains. But it is nevertheless remarkable within the natural world. Geographically, the land of Israel is at the junction of three continents: Europe, Asia and Africa. Within its tiny area, it houses an incredible diversity of landscapes: snowy slopes, tropical beaches, arid deserts and green forests. As a result of all this, the land of Israel is home to an astonishingly diverse range of flora and fauna. It is the southernmost range of many northern species, the westernmost range of eastern species, and the northernmost range of southern species. As the Midrash states, Israel is the center of the world.


3. Torah

Literally meaning “teaching,” the word Torah is often used in the narrow sense of referring to the Five Books of Moses. But in its broadest sense, it refers to the entire gamut of Jewish teachings. This marvelous body of literature chronicles a nation’s efforts over millennia to connect with the Divine, to improve the individual, to regulate society and to stretch the mind. Scripture, Talmud, midrash, philosophy, mysticism, law, ethics – it encompasses every intellectual taste and every aspect of our lives.

4. The calendar

The wonder of the Jewish calendar is not limited to the way in which it manages to synchronize three entirely unrelated natural phenomena: the rotation of the earth on its axis, the revolution of the moon around the earth, and the revolution of the earth around the sun.

The very contents of the Jewish calendar are so much richer than in the joke which describes it as consisting of two types of events: “They tried to kill us, we won, let’s eat,” and “They tried to kill us, we didn’t win, let’s not eat.”

We celebrate national salvation and religious freedom; we observe days of solemnity, repentance and introspection; and we mourn the loss of people and precious elements of our heritage. Most wonderful of all is the Sabbath, during which, miraculously, I am able to resist checking my e-mail for a full twenty-four hours.

5. Jewish survival

The Jewish People, never large in number, have been faced with hatred for over 3,000 years. We have been exiled from our home and forced into servitude and exile among hostile nations. We have suffered persecution in every one of the numerous countries in which we have lived. Nations faced with far fewer existential threats have disappeared, and yet we have survived.

Mark Twain famously asked, “The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then... passed away. The Greek and the Roman followed. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts... What is the secret of his immortality?”

And we made it back to our homeland after 2,000 years of exile, an event completely unparalleled in world history.

6.The State of Israel

Like every citizen of Israel, and especially like every oleh (immigrant), I could rant endlessly about the shortcomings of the State of Israel (though unlike the citizens of our neighboring countries, I could do so without fear of being thrown in prison). But this would be a smallminded perspective that does not take into account the incredible challenges that the state overcomes.

Despite having to absorb an enormous number of immigrants in a short span of time, and having to devote a ridiculously large amount of resources to national defense, Israel has managed to create a vibrant democracy, an oasis of prosperity, producing astonishing accomplishments in every field, all while successfully repelling repeated attempts at annihilation.


7.Global significance

Although numbering only 0.2% of the total world population today, and never having numbered much more than that, the Jewish People have always had an inexplicably large impact upon the world. The spread of monotheism is the most significant example, but we have also made disproportionate contributions in every sphere of knowledge and endeavor. Meanwhile, the United Nations is obsessed with Israel, condemning it more than every other country put together. If anything, we’re too significant for our own good.

Those are the Seven Wonders of the Jewish World as I see them, which I think are much more wonderful than the Seven Wonders of the ancient world. Colossus, schmolossus.



more proof lilly is lying. thumbs up
Israeli Agriculture: Coping with Growth
By Jon Fedler
Editor of Agrictech Israel Magazine


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/agriculture/aggrowth.html

By the year 2020, Israel's population is expected to grow by 42 percent, to 8.5 million. This will cause huge increases in demand for agricultural produce and products; but urban use of land and water will also increase enormously.

In 2020 only half the amount of fresh water allocated to agriculture today (around 700 million cubic meters a year) will be available for this purpose and the amount of suitable land available for farming (360,000 hectares) will be 18 percent less than at present.

Part of the increased demand - notably for field crops (such as cereals, oilseeds and sugar) and for milk products, fish and beef - will have to be met by increased imports. Nevertheless a substantial part of that growing demand will have to come from increased domestic production. Sweeping changes will be required, such as a 33% increase in the labor force and a reduction in irrigated field crops, such as cotton, to make water available for growing fruit and vegetables for the local market.

The above is based on a study by the Ministry of Agriculture, which forecasts that despite its handicaps Israel will be able, by 2020, to increase production of agricultural goods by 48 percent over 1993 figures, averaging a growth of 1.5 percent per annum in real terms. This is certainly consistent with recent developments. Except for a brief period of uneven growth in the second half of the 1980s, agricultural output has grown consistently since 1948.

Despite the decline in its importance relative to other economic branches, agriculture has been growing in absolute terms and still plays an important part in Israel's economy, representing today some 2.0 percent of the Gross Domestic Product and about 3.5 percent of exports. Agricultural inputs produced in Israel are valued today at over $2 billion, of which 70% are exported.

Agriculture is of major national importance; in certain areas, such as the Arava and the Jordan Valley, it provides the sole means of livelihood for the population. In 1996 approximately 73,500 people were involved in farming, constituting about 3.0 percent of the country's workforce.

In monetary terms, Israel produces almost 70% of all its food requirements. It imports much of its grain, oilseeds, meat and fish, and its the sugar, coffee and cocoa. However, these imports are offset by exports of agricultural produce valued at around $800 million and $600 million worth of processed foods per annum. Today, just under a quarter of the income of Israel's farmers derives from the export of fresh produce, including items such as flowers, avocados, out-of-season vegetables and certain exotic fruits grown for export. In 1996 some 140,000 tons of fruit and vegetables - 14 percent of the entire crop - were sold to factories for processing and export.

This is a far cry from the situation a century ago. When Jews began resettling their historic homeland in the late 19th century, their first efforts were directed towards reclaiming the mostly semi-arid land, much of which was rendered untillable by deforestation, soil erosion and neglect. Rocky fields were cleared and terraces built in the hilly regions; swampland was drained, and systematic reforestation begun; soil erosion was counteracted, and salty land washed to reduce soil salinity.

Since Israel attained its independence in 1948, the total area under cultivation has increased from 165,000 ha. to some 435,000 ha. and the number of agricultural communities has grown from 400 to 900 (including 136 Arab villages). During the same period, agricultural production has expanded 16-fold, more than three times the rate of the population growth.

Israel's varied climatic, topographical and soil conditions (from sub-tropical to arid, from 400 meters below sea level to 1000 meters above and from sand dunes to heavy alluvial soils) made it possible to grow a wide range of agricultural produce. The success of the country's agriculture stems from the determination and ingenuity of farmers and scientists who have dedicated themselves to developing a flourishing agriculture in a country which is more than half desert, thus demonstrating that the real value of land is a function of how it is used................Growing Crops in the Desert
Since 1948, the sparsely populated desert area between Be'er Sheva and Eilat has played an important role in agricultural production. More than 40 percent of the country's vegetables and field crops are grown in the Arava and Negev and 90 percent of the melons exported come from the Arava.
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http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=191709

The Eternal Jew
One of the biggest cover-ups/False Flags in History is the massive misrepresentations/lies of and about the Jews. Their history, their beliefs, their culture etc.........

Over 300 years ago, King Louis XIV of France asked Blaise Pascal, the great Christian philosopher, to give him proof of God. Pascal answered, “Why the Jews, your Majesty, the Jews!”
http://www.simpletoremember.com/arti...ewish-history/


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That the Jewish nation—such a tiny group of people—survived two thousand years of exile and persecution was nothing short of a supernatural phenomenon. Pascal wasn’t the only one who was so amazed by the survival of the Jewish people. Other thinkers, philosophers and historians have noticed something unusual about the Jews.

Mark Twain, an agnostic and self-acknowledged skeptic, penned this in 1899 in Harper’s Magazine:

“The Egyptian, Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away. The Greek and Roman followed, made a vast noise and they are gone. Other peoples have sprung up, and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out and they sit in twilight now or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal, but the Jew. All other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?”....................4) Anti-Semitism
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The term “anti-Semitism” itself is very curious. Why not refer to the hatred and persecution of Jews by more generic terms like religious bigotry, xenophobia, or racism? The Jews are the only group in the world with a unique term for their persecution. Why? The world seems to realize that anti-Semitism isn’t simply one more unfortunate example of hatred in the world, but is instead a phenomenon specific to the Jews.

There are four different aspects to anti-Semitism which characterize it as being a hatred like no other:

1) Universality
2) Intensity
3) Longevity
4) Irrationality

Universality:
The universal scope of anti-Semitism can be seen in the fact that Jews have been expelled from virtually every country in which they have resided. Jews were expelled from England in 1290, France in 1306 and 1394, Hungary in 1349 and 1360, Austria in 1421, from various places in Germany throughout the 14th, 15th and 16th centuries, from Lithuania in 1445 and 1495, Spain in 1492, Portugal in 1497, and from Bohemia and Moravia in 1744-45. Between the 15th and 18th centuries, Jews were not permitted to enter Russia, and when they were finally admitted, they were restricted to one area, the Pale of Settlement.

Parallel to these atrocities in Europe were various levels of anti-Semitism at the hands of the Arabs. From Islam’s inception in the 7th century, the Jews living in Arab countries were constantly made to feel like second-class citizens. Violent outbreaks sporadically occurred throughout the following 1300 years and reached a climax during the years 1948 and 1967. During that period, almost all of the Jews living in Aden, Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Syria and Yemen, over 500,000 in all, were forced to flee, fearing for their lives, in the wake of pogroms, assaults and massacres.

Even as far away as Ethiopia, where a small community of Jews were cut off from the rest of the Jewish people for over 2000 years, we find evidence of persecution from the neighboring peoples. There has even been evidence of anti-Semitism in Japan—a country where virtually no Jews ever lived!
Jewish Persecution Timeline


Intensity:
The ultimate example is the Holocaust (acknowledged throughout the world as the ultimate manifestation of evil in all of history)—the only time an entire people (i.e., men, women and children) had a campaign of complete annihilation waged against them.


Longevity:
Most of the world’s great powers, even those with only a small percentage of Jews among them, regarded the Jews as a central enemy. This phenomenon began as early as the Greek persecutions of Jews during the Second Temple period. It continued with the late Roman Empire, the Arabs, and the Christian world for over 15 centuries (most notably with the frequent occurrence of blood libels all throughout the Middle Ages) and more recently with the Nazis and the Soviet Union, as well as the Arabs today.

FULL LIST OF EMPIRES AGAINST THE JEWS:
Egyptian Empire,
Chaldean Empire,
Babylonian Empire,
Greek Empire,
Roman Empire,
Byzantine Empire,
Spanish Empire,
Ottoman Turkish Empire,
British Empire,
Austro-Hungarian Empire,
German Empire,
French Empire,
Russia Empire,
Soviet Empire,
Nazi Empire

Irrationality:
We are the only people ever accused of “deicide” (killing a god)—this has been claimed as one of the major causes of anti-Semitism for almost 2000 years. Despite the fact that eating blood is as strong a prohibition as that against eating pork, Jews were constantly persecuted throughout the Middle Ages through blood libels, the charge that we drank the blood of non-Jewish children. We were attacked in pogroms for well-poisoning and once even for air-poisoning.

The Jews in Germany were accused of having brought Socialism and Communism to Germany, of being responsible for Germany losing World War I, and of causing the economic problems of the 1920’s. This paranoia existed in spite of the fact that the percentage of Jews in Germany at the time was only 0.8%. Many nations have even hurt themselves with their persecution of the Jews, most notably Spain (economically) and Germany (with science, culture, military, etc.).

A forgery purporting to be the conspiratorial discussions of Jewish elders plotting to take over the world, “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” was, next to the Bible, the best-selling book in the world during the 1920’s. It has since been printed in numerous languages. Since 1987 it is being widely distributed in Japan…

Of all the extreme fanaticism that plays havoc in man’s nature, there is none as irrational as anti-Semitism. The Jews cannot vindicate themselves in the eyes of these fanatics. If the Jews are rich, they are victims of theft and extortion. If they are poor, they are victims of ridicule. If they take sides in a war, it is because they wish to gain advantage from the spilling of non-Jewish blood. If they espouse peace, it is because they are scared and anxious by nature or traitors to their country. If the Jew dwells in a foreign land he is persecuted and expelled. If he wishes to return to his own land, he is prevented from doing so. - Lloyd George, 1923



Whatever we do, that is precisely what is cited as the reason for the hatred against us. At the same time that Jews in America were accused of being communists, Jews in Russia were being labeled as capitalists. The more one studies anti-Semitism, the more obvious it becomes that the innumerable “explanations” offered throughout the various societies in which Jews have resided are not reasons at all (i.e. whose absence would necessarily result in no more persecutions), but rather excuses.

But as my research into Jewish history progressed, I was surprised, depressed, and to some extent overwhelmed by the perpetual and irrational violence which pursued the Jews in every country and to almost every corner of the globe. If, therefore, persecution, expulsion, torture, humiliation, and mass murder haunt these pages, it is because they also haunt the Jewish story.
- Martin Gilbert, “Jewish History Atlas” Oxford 1985

It has been prophesied in the Torah that Jews will be persecuted:

“Among those nations you shall find no respite, no rest for your foot. There God will make you cowardly, destroying your outlook and making life hopeless. You will live in constant suspense. Day and night, you will be terrified, never sure of your existence. In the morning you will say, ‘If only it were night,’ and in the evening you will say, ‘If only it were morning!’ Such will be the dread that your heart will feel and the sights that your eyes will see” (Deut. 28:65-67).

No other form of racial hatred comes close to anti-Semitism in its virulence, its intensity and its irrationality.

As Professor Michael Curtis of Rutgers University put it:

“The uniqueness of anti-Semitism lies in the fact that no other people in the world have ever been charged simultaneously with alienation from society and with cosmopolitanism, with being capitalistic exploiters and also revolutionary communist advocators. The Jews were accused of having an imperious mentality, at the same time they’re a people of the book. They’re accused of being militant aggressors, at the same time as being cowardly pacifists. With being a chosen people, and also having an inferior human nature. With both arrogance and timidity. With both extreme individualism and community adherence. With being guilty of the crucifixion of Jesus and at the same time held to account for the invention of Christianity.” (Colloquium on anti-Semitism, 1987)

If we look at the history of anti-Semitism, we see one unceasing chain of slaughter, pogroms, pillaging, expulsion, etc. There are horrendous levels of violence that lead up to the worst thing that can be done to a hated people: Genocide. Most nations in history have not been subjected to even one genocide. But in almost every generation there’s an attempted Jewish genocide somewhere in the world on a macrocosmic or microcosmic scale.
Jewish Persecution Timeline


http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdCo...aspx?id=245708


Dispersed among the Nations, the Jews brought a great many benefits to a great many people. As a Gentile I thank them and YHWH. thumbs up


http://www.jinfo.org/

"And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many peoples, as dew from the Lord, as showers upon the grass..." MICAH 5:6*


The Jews started it all - and by "it" I mean so many of the things we care about, the underlying values that make all of us, Jew and Gentile, believer and atheist, tick. Without the Jews, we would see the world with different eyes, hear with different ears, even feel with different feelings. And not only would our sensorium, the screen through which we receive the world, be different: we would think with a different mind, interpret all our experience differently, draw different conclusions from the things that befall us. And we would set a different course for our lives.
By "we" I mean the usual "we" of late-twentieth-century writing: the people of the Western world, whose peculiar but vital mentality has come to infect every culture on earth, so that, in a startlingly precise sense, all humanity is now willy-nilly caught up in this "we." For better or worse, the role of the West in humanity's history is singular. Because of this, the role of the Jews, the inventors of Western culture, is also singular: there is simply no one else remotely like them; theirs is a unique vocation. Indeed, as we shall see, the very idea of vocation, of a personal destiny, is a Jewish idea.

Our history is replete with examples of those who have refused to see what the Jews are really about, who - through intellectual blindness, racial chauvinism, xenophobia, or just plain evil - have been unable to give this oddball tribe, this raggle-taggle band, this race of wanderers who are the progenitors of the Western world, their due. Indeed, at the end of this bloodiest of centuries, we can all too easily look back on scenes of unthinkable horror perpetrated by those who would do anything rather than give the Jews their due.

But I must ask my readers to erase from their minds not only the horrors of history - modern, medieval, and ancient - but (so far as one can) the very notion of history itself. More especially, we must erase from our minds all the suppositions on which our world is built - the whole intricate edifice of actions and ideas that are our intellectual and emotional patrimony. We must reimagine ourselves in the form of humanity that lived and moved on this planet before the first word of the Bible was written down, before it was spoken, before it was even dreamed ...

... All evidence points to there having been, in the earliest religious thought, a vision of the cosmos that was profoundly cyclical. The assumptions that early man made about the world were, in all their essentials, little different from the assumptions that later and more sophisticated societies, like Greece and India, would make in a more elaborate manner. As Henri-Charles Puech says of Greek thought in his seminal Man and Time: "No event is unique, nothing is enacted but once ... every event has been enacted, is enacted, and will be enacted perpetually; the same individuals have appeared, appear, and will appear at every turn of the circle."

The Jews were the first people to break out of this circle, to find a new way of thinking and experiencing, a new way of understanding and feeling the world, so much so that it may be said with some justice that theirs is the only new idea that human beings have ever had. But their world view has become so much a part of us that at this point it might as well have been written into our cells as a genetic code. We find it so impossible to shed - even for a brief experiment - that it is now the cosmic vision of all other peoples that appears to us exotic and strange.


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Adapted with permission of the publisher from A History of the Jews, by Paul Johnson (HarperCollins, New York, ©️1987, p. 585; http://www.harpercollins.com).
In his Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus describes Abraham as 'a man of great sagacity' who had 'higher notions of virtue than others of his time'. He therefore 'determined to change completely the views which all then had about God'. One way of summing up 4,000 years of Jewish history is to ask ourselves what would have happened to the human race if Abraham had not been a man of great sagacity, or if he had stayed in Ur and kept his higher notions to himself, and no specific Jewish people had come into being. Certainly the world without the Jews would have been a radically different place. Humanity might have eventually stumbled upon all the Jewish insights. But we cannot be sure. All the great conceptual discoveries of the intellect seem obvious and inescapable once they have been revealed, but it requires a special genius to formulate them for the first time. The Jews had this gift. To them we owe the idea of equality before the law, both divine and human; of the sanctity of life and the dignity of the human person; of the individual conscience, and so of personal redemption; of the collective conscience, and so of social responsibility; of peace as an abstract ideal and love as the foundation of justice, and many other items that constitute the basic moral furniture of the human mind. Without the Jews it might have been a much emptier place. Above all, the Jews taught us how to rationalize the unknown. The result was monotheism...



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Adapted with permission of the publisher from On Two Wings: Humble Faith and Common Sense at the American Founding, by Michael Novak (Encounter Books, San Francisco, CA, ©️2002, pp. 8-12; http://www.encounterbooks.com).
"The Bible was the one book that literate Americans in the seventeenth, eighteenth, and nineteenth centuries could be expected to know well," Robert Bellah has written. "Biblical imagery provided the basic framework for imaginative thought in America up until quite recent times and, unconsciously, its control is still formidable." As a design for the Seal of the United States, Jefferson suggested "a representation of the children of Israel in the wilderness, led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night." He later concluded his second inaugural address with this same image: "I shall need ... the favor of that Being in whose hands we are, who led our fathers, as Israel of old, from their native land and planted them in a country flowing with all the necessaries and comforts of life." The image of "God's American Israel" made available four fresh perspectives, brought to intense focus by the Americans in a new and historically original way.

The first of these new perspectives was a narrative of purpose and progress. The Gentiles of the ancient world believed in cycles of time as regular (they thought) as the circular movements of the stars. They believed in eternal recurrence. But the Americans of 1770-1799 did not believe that time is cyclical, going nowhere, spinning in circles pointlessly. They believed that history had a beginning and was guided by Providence for a purpose... Time (in the view of the founders) was created for the unfolding of human liberty, for human emancipation. This purpose requires humans to choose for or against building cities worthy of the ideals God sets before them: liberty, justice, equality, self-government, and brotherhood...

... History, in this sense - open, purposive, contingent in liberty - is not a Greek or Roman idea. It is Hebraic; its source springs from the Biblical historians and prophets. Probably most of the humans who had ever lived before the arrival of Judaism on the world stage never even heard of "progress." The literature of Greece and Rome looks backwards, to golden ages of the past; the movement of time is circular. For Jews and Christians, by contrast, history is heading somewhere new: toward the New Kingdom of God, a kingdom of justice and love and peace, a new city on a hill...

... Second, Hebrew metaphysics held that everything in creation in all its workings and purposes is intelligible - suffused with reason, not absurd - in the eyes of a divine and loving Creator, Who created from nothing everything that is, and saw that it was good, and loved it; a Creator Who is more powerful than earthquakes, floods, erupting volcanos, hurricanes or anything else in the world, and different from them. One should not mistake this God for any part of His creation - as the Mayan Indians seem to have done, identifying God with rain and snakes and frogs and jackals (powerful forces in the dark, all of them). On the one hand, the world is not in itself divine. On the other, its Creator cannot be touched, tasted, heard, seen, or smelled. The Creator is independent of the world; therefore, the world can be looked into, investigated, and experimented with without infringing on His divinity. Strictly speaking, the Creator is beyond human categories, cannot be expressed in words that are like other words, imagined from the things of this world, or named as other things are named. He is not part of the material world. Seeking Him, it is better to aim one's mind in the direction of Spirit and Truth rather than matter, toward an Ineffable One Whom we do not name...

...Third, cherishing humble and weak things most of all, the Creator made at least two creatures to know Him, to love Him, and in total freedom (and not as slaves) to walk with Him - "male and female, He made them" (Genesis 1:27). "The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time," Jefferson wrote summarizing the Biblical metaphysic. Liberty is the human condition established by the Bible, nearly every chapter of which turns upon its axis. What will Adam, King David, Peter, Saul, do next? Liberty is the axis of the universe, the ground of the possibility of love, human and divine... Moreover, the American tradition clearly distinguished a false idea of liberty - license - from the true liberty exercised in reflection and deliberate choice. Despite this high calling, men and women fail often, are vulnerable to human weakness, and are in want of checks and balances against their frailties.

Fourth, in Hebrew metaphysics the brief span of a human life is experienced as a time of suffering, testing whether humans can remain faithful to God's purposes in creating them - whether we will (or will not) show grace under pressure. In the Bible, the bright red thread of human history is not just liberty but liberty on trial...

...This drama of liberty gave birth to two "whig" theories of history, one Protestant and one Catholic. Nowadays, even secular people interpret history in the light of progress, rights, and liberty. Yet unbelievers received these concepts neither from the Greeks and Romans nor from Enlightened Reason, but via the preaching of Jesus Christ, from whom the Gentiles learned the essential outlook of the Hebrews: that the Creator gave humans a special place among all other creatures, and made them free, and endowed them with incomparable responsibility and dignity.

This sequence of related conceptions - that time had a beginning and is measured for progress (or decline) by God's standards; that everything in the world is intelligible, and that to inquire, invent, and discover is an impulse of faith as well as of reason; that the Creator endowed us with liberty and inviolable dignity, while the Divine Judge shows concern for the weak and the humble; that life is a time of duty and trial; and that history is to be grasped as the drama of human liberty - all these are the background that make sense of the Declaration of Independence. America and Israel, the first Israel and the second, shed light on each other...


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http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/quotes/

“I will insist the Hebrews have [contributed] more to civilize men than any other nation. If I was an atheist and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations ... They are the most glorious nation that ever inhabited this Earth. The Romans and their empire were but a bubble in comparison to the Jews. They have given religion to three-quarters of the globe and have influenced the affairs of mankind more and more happily than any other nation, ancient or modern.”

- John Adams, Second President of the United States
(From a letter to F. A. Van der Kemp [Feb. 16, 1808] Pennsylvania Historical Society)

http://www.simpletoremember.com/arti...pactofthejews/

Do any of you understand the concept of Abstract Ethical Monotheism?

“This is an exceedingly strange development, unexpected by all but the theologians. They have always accepted the word of the Bible: In the beginning God created heaven and earth… [But] for the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; [and] as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.”

- Robert Jastrow
(God and the Astronomers [New York: W.W. Norton and Co., 1978], 116. Professor Jastrow was the founder of NASA’s Goddard Institute, now director of the Mount Wilson Institute and its observatory.)


”...If statistics are right, the Jews constitute but one percent of the human race. It suggests a nebulous dim puff of stardust lost in the blaze of the Milky way. properly, the Jew ought hardly to be heard of, but he is heard of, has always been heard of. He is as prominent on the planet as any other people, and his commercial importance is extravagantly out of proportion to the smallness of his bulk. His contributions to the world’s list of great names in literature, science, art, music, finance, medicine, and abstruse learning are also away out of proportion to the weakness of his numbers. He has made a marvelous fight in this world, in all the ages; and had done it with his hands tied behind him. He could be vain of himself, and be excused for it.

The Egyptian, the Babylonian, and the Persian rose, filled the planet with sound and splendor, then faded to dream-stuff and passed away; the Greek and the Roman followed; and made a vast noise, and they are gone; other people have sprung up and held their torch high for a time, but it burned out, and they sit in twilight now, or have vanished. The Jew saw them all, beat them all, and is now what he always was, exhibiting no decadence, no infirmities of age, no weakening of his parts, no slowing of his energies, no dulling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal but the Jew; all other forces pass, but he remains. What is the secret of his immortality?”

- Mark Twain
(“Concerning The Jews,” Harper’s Magazine, 1899
see The Complete Essays of Mark Twain, Doubleday [1963] pg. 249)


“if we were forced to choose just one, there would be no way to deny that Judaism is the most important intellectual development in human history.”
- David Gelernter, Yale University Professor



“The preservation of the Jews is really one of the most signal and illustrious acts of divine Providence… and what but a supernatural power could have preserved them in such a manner as none other nation upon earth hath been preserved. Nor is the providence of God less remarkable in the destruction of their enemies, than in their preservation… We see that the great empires, which in their turn subdued and oppressed the people of God, are all come to ruin… And if such hath been the fatal end of the enemies and oppressors of the Jews, let it serve as a warning to all those, who at any time or upon any occasion are for raising a clamor and persecution against them.”

- Thomas Newton - British Clergyman: Bishop of Bristol (1704-1782)


“For many people during many centuries, mankind’s history before the coming of Christianity was the history of the Jews and what they recounted of the history of others. Both were written down in the books called the Old Testament, [the Torah] the sacred writings of the Jewish people ... They were the first to arrive at an abstract notion of God and to forbid his representation by images. No other people has produced a greater historical impact from such comparatively insignificant origins and resources ...”
- J.M. Roberts, History Of The World



Intolerance lies at the core of evil.
Not the intolerance that results
from any threat or danger.
But intolerance of another being who dares to exist.
Intolerance without cause. It is so deep within us,
because every human being secretly desires
the entire universe to himself.
Our only way out is to learn
compassion without cause. To care for each other
simple because that ‘other’ exists.
- Rabbi Menachem Mendle

This people are not eminent solely by their antiquity, but are also singular by their duration, which has always continued from their origin till now. For, whereas the nations of Greece and of Italy, of Lacedaemon, of Athens and of Rome, and others who came long after, have long since perished, these ever remain, and in spite of the endeavors of many powerful kings who have a hundred times tried to destroy them, as their historians testify, and as it is easy to conjecture from the natural order of things during so long a space of years, they have nevertheless been preserved (and this preservation has been foretold); and extending from the earliest times to the latest, their history comprehends in its duration all our histories (which it preceded by a long time).
- Pensees by Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Encyclopedia Britannica, 1952 - Paragraph 620, p. 285


“Certainly, the world without the Jews would have been a radically different place. Humanity might have eventually stumbled upon all the Jewish insights. But we cannot be sure. All the great conceptual discoveries of the human intellect seem obvious and inescapable once they had been revealed, but it requires a special genius to formulate them for the first time. The Jews had this gift. To them we owe the idea of equality before the law, both divine and human; of the sanctity of life and the dignity of human person; of the individual conscience and so a personal redemption; of collective conscience and so of social responsibility; of peace as an abstract ideal and love as the foundation of justice, and many other items which constitute the basic moral furniture of the human mind. Without Jews it might have been a much emptier place.”

- Paul Johnson
(Christian historian, author of A History of the Jews and A History of Christianity)


“This one book (the Bible) ... has attracted to it, and had concentrated on it, vastly more thought and has called forth more works, explanatory, illustrative, apologetic, upon its text, its meaning, its geography, its theology, its chronology, its evidences, its inspiration, its origin, than all the rest of the literature of the world put together. An immense bulk of the world’s literature owes its origin to this book.”
- Carlyle B Heynes in The Bible, Is it a True Book


“What is the Jew?...What kind of unique creature is this whom all the rulers of all the nations of the world have disgraced and crushed and expelled and destroyed; persecuted, burned and drowned, and who, despite their anger and their fury, continues to live and to flourish. What is this Jew whom they have never succeeded in enticing with all the enticements in the world, whose oppressors and persecutors only suggested that he deny (and disown) his religion and cast aside the faithfulness of his ancestors?!
The Jew - is the symbol of eternity. ... He is the one who for so long had guarded the prophetic message and transmitted it to all mankind. A people such as this can never disappear.
The Jew is eternal. He is the embodiment of eternity.”

- Leo Tolstoy
(What is the Jew?
quoted in The Final Resolution, pg. 189, printed in Jewish World periodical, 1908)


“Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas.”


It is against their own insoluble problem of being human that the dull and base in humanity are in revolt in anti-Semitism. Judaism, nevertheless, together with Hellenism and Christianity is an inalienable component of our Christian Western civilization, the eternal “call to Sinai” against which humanity again and again rebels.”
- Herman Rauschning, The Beast From the Abyss, pp. 155-56

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The Jews, not the New Age Neo Pagan Neo Nazi tru lilly The Jews; YHWHs 'Chosen Bearers of His Word' overwhemingly support Israel which ios th eREAL ZION................................NOT Australia the fake zion........... thumbs up

I think you need to understand what the word TRUTH means..........Factual reality based experience............your allegations that most people who acall themselves Jews are lying and that most Jews are opposed to Israel/Zionism are false. These allegations are not supported by facts.
http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antiz...s_not_Jews.htm


In summary

Almost all Jews (99%) are infact Zionists, but the definition Zionists (and infact almost all Jewish anti-Zionists) themselves use. If you use an antisemitic defintion such as Zionism as Racist you can of course invent statistics as you please. However you may as well declare Jews to be organges for all the meaning that has. It is unfortunate that a few sites, mostly antisemitic ones such as Serendipity link to the sites of the Satmar and Neturei Karta and try to spin a narrative of Zionists being a minority of Jews. It's unfortunate both because people believe it and get their facts wrong, but also becuase of the antisemitism they spread, antisemitism that those who wish to draw a destinction between the minority called Jews and the "evil entity" they have been attacking called Zionism are more than susceptible to.


If you would bother to read actual, credentialed History books, you would know that the Khazari Nation never converted to Judaism............the Royal Family did(King Bula), but the population largely remained Pagan, Dendrists, Animists, polytheists....

The Facts are: Israel is more legitimate then many other Nations, The Jews in Israel are genetically decended from the Ancient Israelites.....The Arabs suffer more oppression and mistreatment from other arabs......

You've bought into too much antisemitic propaganda..............in this Thread you have called me a Dog, A Rat, and a Whore.........your judgements based on false beliefs..........YOU are the threat to peace, you are the fearmongering, hatemongering liar............
http://www.zionismontheweb.org/antizionism/


Here's the question: anti-Zionist or non-Zionist, is there a difference? The answer is yes. A Zionist is someone who supports the existance of a State of Israel as a Jewish Home Land (where Jews and others can live). A non-Zionist is one is not a Zionist. An anti-Zionist is someone who activly disputes the fact that Israel has a right to exist. Note that this is not the same as disagreeing with one or more Israeli government policies, it's more like supporting the President of Iran's calls to wipe Israel off the map. One can disagree with the actions of Israel as a state without being against the state's right to exist, and the right of the Jewish people to have their home land. Often though anti-Zionism is a mask for antisemitism and anti-Zionists will regurgitate antisemitic propoganda that was used in Nazi Germany, just changing "Zionist" or "Jew". Arguments against "the Zionists" as often supported by "evidence" from antisemitic propoganda such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or through classic antisemitism such as blood liable. There is a huge difference between speaking out against Israeli policy you disagree with and falling in with a racist crowd and adopting their arguments.

http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq...faq/14-05.html


Diaspora Jews, on the whole, support Zionism in one way or another through active participation in aspects of the movement itself, or through public and/or financial support of Israel.

Some Diaspora Jews realize their belief in Zionism by immigrating to the Land of Israel (making 'aliyah' - "going up") to participate directly in the task of rebuilding the nation.

Diaspora Jews, whether or not associated with Zionist activities, have been enriched culturally, socially and spiritually by the reestablishment of Israel in its ancestral homeland. Even non-Zionist and anti-Zionist Jews find Israel an excellent place for Torah study


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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  Billy Ruben on Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:20 pm

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Besides commending those Hooligans for defacing the Arch...I noticed Miss Newsbot,that you dilligently avoided the sexual scandals in our serving Navy and Army personelle.

Yes,we all know you treat women as second rate,just like my mother in law did,denied her own femininity and her tit rotted and dropped off as a sign to change her attitude to loving herself.Did'nt work of course,she grew a beard.

But just letting you know,as an ex-serving reservist,the stories in the papers are true and actually down played,as it is a disgusting mind-set that our military personelle enact on each other.

AND THEREFORE ARE TRAITORS TO MY COUNTRY AND WAY OF LIFE...SUCK MY LEFT TESTICLE WHILE YOU'RE ABOUT IT,CHUMP DOWN ON THIS AND EAT SHIT.


cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10778347

Sex abuse still rife in armed services
By Greg Ansley 5:30 AM Friday Jan 13, 2012 Email
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Expand Australian Defence Minister Stephen Smith said sexual abuse would not be tolerated in the Defence Force. Photo / NZPAAlarming revelations in confidential military reports reveal that the Australian Defence Force is struggling to reduce levels of sexual abuse, bullying and other problems among its troops.

Despite a massive bid to shift the force's culture and seven reports probing almost every aspect of service life after a series of scandals, documents obtained by Channel Seven under freedom of information laws show little appears to have changed.

Most of the incidents were reported after the outrage of last year's Skype scandal, in which a cadet at the elite Australian Defence Force Academy filmed his seduction of a female colleague and broadcast it live to other cadets.

The incidents included in dozens of "hot issues briefs" obtained by Channel Seven ranged from rape and attempted murder to possession of child pornography, sexual assault, the concubinage of teenagers on base and further explicit videotaping.

The greatest number of complaints involved the navy, whose problems peaked with revelations of life on board the supply ship HMAS Success during an Asian deployment in 2009.

Subject to a separate report and pending action, these included inappropriate conduct towards women, workforce bullying, a "tribal culture" on board the ship, drunken and disreputable behaviour ashore, a breakdown in discipline and serious failures of command.

Even after the subsequent outcry, problems continued on board the Success.

The Channel Seven documents said one of its officers had been accused of inappropriate relationships with junior sailors and of filming them in the shower.

Videos of sexual acts with other sailors were also discovered, butdespite a record of similar behaviour the officer was transferred to another ship.

The documents also said that just four days after the first report into the original Success allegations, a sailor on the ship - now facing court martial - allegedly indecently assaulted two others in their cabin.

More serious was the charging of a sailor from the minehunter HMAS Yarra with aggravated sexual assault and strangulation with intent to murder.

In the army, a soldier was charged with rape, deprivation of liberty and assault involving a female civilian, another at the School of Artillery was found in possession of child pornography, and yet another was accused of housing two teenagers, aged 15 and 17, for two weeks in Sydney's Holsworthy barracks.

An air force member was charged with indecently assaulting a minor.

Defence Minister Stephen Smith said yesterday that such behaviour would not be tolerated.

"It is essential that the Defence Force promotes and enforces the highest standards of behaviour in line with modern community expectations and creates an environment where complaints can be aired and appropriately addressed," he said.

Smith already has a welter of disturbing reports to consider, continuing long lists of recommendations from the five inquiries established after the Skype scandal.

Most will be released this month, with the Government's response.
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Re: Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

Post  true lilly on Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:23 pm

AV-IT wrote:
true lilly wrote:
AV-IT wrote:WoW ! I seem to be ruffling feathers here . . . .
No, you are boring folk to death
with the same old Nazi/Icke/tintin,
'blame, hate and kill the jews',
bitterly envious bile spitting.

Why not simply link to all 'your' other names,
slaving at the same evil, all over
The Now
Bigger Than Main Stream,
(ANTI) 'social' MEDIA?
Rolling Eyes
Nonsense!
YES, 'you'

ARE FULL OF IT!

'you' INSULT EVERYONE
who WON'T BUY, SELL & TRADE in

The 'New Age' Versions of 'your'
DEMONIC RELIGIONS.


AV-IT wrote:Since arriving here, I have been insulted no end
for showing
articles from around the web.

I have neither endorsed nor denied the articles.
NOW stick your head back up your criminal OZZY
(TAKE NOTE, LOYAL AUSTRALIANS)

ars£ whereit belongs!
Icke Interfers with AUSTRALIAN Election

David Icke site BETRAYS AUSTRALIA (3)

Billy Ruben says he's in hiding.
Should I post all the Ph. No's he threatens me by?

true lilly wrote:How about all the email addresses 'they' use and hack into and though?

(GAY) Greens Leader Bob Brown says
PM Julia Gillard deserves a break from 'sexist' criticism.

Getty Images

Results: Election call

Should Prime Minister Gillard
call an election?


Yes: 83.39% (8723 votes)
No
: 16.61% (1738 votes)

Total votes: 10462

__________________________________

Results: Top job


Should Kevin Rudd challenge Julia Gillard
for Australia's top job?


Yes
: 61.82% (5286 votes)

No
: 38.18% (3265 votes)

Total votes: 8551


Hawke's helping hand for Julia
Gillard jumps at shadows
Labor's top job a Ruddy big mess
Labor's top job a Ruddy big mess

PM criticism 'sexist' - Brown

1:09PM
Matt Johnston and Phillip Hudson


UPDATE:

GREENS leader Bob Brown says Julia Gillard
cops too much "sexist and unfair" criticism
and should be given a break.

259 comments on this story

Poll: Does the PM cop more flak because she's a woman?

Results: Gillard sexism debate

Does Julia Gillard receive more
than her fair share
of criticism because she's a woman?


Yes: 26.9% (170 votes)

No
: 73.81% (479 votes)
Total votes: 649


___________________________________________

Should Prime Minister Gillard call an election?

Yes:82.93% (9713 votes)
No: 17.07% (1999 votes)
Total votes: 11712


But, this has been a good Government for AUSTRALIANS,
in that it has well and truly shown us that it isn't,
'The Yellow Peril', or 'Reds under the beds',
that screw over this Uniquely Glorious Land,
but, 'The GREEN with ENVY, PINKS, lacing our drinks'...
while BANNING us from using OUR CLEAN WATER,
until the whole land is so sodden, that even light rains
have nowhere to go but through OUR HOMES!


Gillard says election winnable with hard work

...'says' the Labor WOman PM...
...and don't forget what happened under this
Labor WOman Premier...of KRudd's State...


Qld Government could face massive flood lawsuit
Updated
February 06, 2012 13:58:12


Photo:
Potential class action: Water pours down the spillway at Wivenhoe Dam


Related Story:
Engineer blames 'poor English' in flood report inaccuracies


Related Story:
Dam engineer accused of fabricating flood report


Related Story:
Queensland to vote on March 24

Related Story:
Flood inquiry to re-examine Wivenhoe operation


Authorities recovering alleged fraudster's property
Updated
January 10, 2012 17:36:21

Photo:Fraud accused: Joel Barlow is alleged to have stolen $11 million from Queensland Health. (AAP)

Related Story:
More bureaucrats may be 'stood down' in health fraud probe


Related Story:
Bligh under fire over 'reactionary' Qld Health split


Related Story:
Alleged fraudster charged over $11m theft


Related Story:
$16m fraud suspect detained in Brisbane


The State Government has taken another step in recovering property belonging to
alleged Queensland Health fraudster Joel Barlow.

The Director of Public Prosecutions this morning sought orders from a
Supreme Court Judge to restrain property including luxury cars,
expensive household items and property held by Barlow's sister.

The 36-year-old former bureaucrat is in custody after being charged with
stealing $11 million from his employer last year.

The orders made today mean Barlow cannot deal with the property in any way
while the allegations against him are before the courts.

In the wake of the alleged fraud, the Government intends to split Queensland Health
into two organisations to improve services.
Topics:
fraud-and-corporate-crime,
government-and-politics,
states-and-territories,
public-sector,
health,
health-administration,
law-crime-and-justice,
brisbane-4000,
qld,
australia
First posted
January 10, 2012 13:58:37


Qld Health restructure plans upset union
Posted
January 27, 2012 14:58:03
Related Story:
Authorities recovering alleged fraudster's property


Related Story:
Jet ski, clothing seized from alleged Qld Health fraudster


Related Story:
Bank glitch hits Qld Health pay packets


The union representing the state's health workers
will go to the Industrial Relations Commission to try to ensure that
members get a fair say on the restructure of Queensland Health.

The plan to break up Queensland Health into smaller agencies comes after
the alleged embezzlement of more than $16 million and major payroll
problems
.


Together secretary Alex Scott says it is not right to rush the process before the state election.

He says it is appalling that staff have only been given two days next week to comment on the break-up.

"We're hopeful that early next week the industrial commission will agree with us and
suggest that the Government needs to take a slower process and give all Queenslanders
as well as all Queensland Health workers a real opportunity to consider these matters
rather than having a rushed restructure forced through before a state election is called
and then potentially having another restructure occur just after a state election occurs,"
he said.

Mr Scott says workers are being treated as pawns by politicians.
Topics:
state-parliament,
public-sector,
government-and-politics,
qld,
brisbane-4000

Hohepa Morehu-Barlow,
also known as
Joel Barlow

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/police-failed-to-follow-up-queensland-health-fraud-lead-20111212-1oq27.html

Pedophile heads up children's unit for Queensland health
AAP
December 21, 2011
10:20AM

Pedophile heads up Consumer, Carer and Family team.
Queensland Health defends man's employment.
"He has no direct contact with children whatsoever".


A CONVICTED pedophile and a man ordered to pay damages

for software piracy are on Queensland Health's payroll.

The Courier-Mail newspaper reports the pedophile, convicted in 1994,
works in Queensland Health's mental health section.

An IT manager who was ordered by the Federal Court in 2001 to pay damages
of $210,000 was employed by Queensland Health in 2006 and two years later
was promoted.


Police Minister Neil Roberts said people with criminal convictions should be forgiven
at some stage and allowed to move on.


"Certainly they need to be held accountable for that," he told ABC Radio.


"But we also want people to get back on the straight and narrow
and lead productive lives in the community.


"We have to draw a line in the sand at some point.

"That's why under current legislation, after a period of time,
people are able to not declare certain offences.


"Some need to be declared, but this is the system we have and I think it works well


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/more-failed-checks-on-bureaucrats/story-e6frfkvr-1226227232641#ixzz1lZc2vHhT

Oh, and MORE, 'HEALTH' UNION TROUBLE...

  1. No intervention into Thomson inquiry

    Sydney Morning Herald
      Sydney Morning Herald‎ - 1 day ago
      The opposition and the union's current head, Kathy Jackson, say that's way too long. Mr Thomson is alleged to have used union credit cards for prostitutes, ...
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      Come clean on Thomson inquiry, Abbott says‎ - Herald Sun
    </li>
    1. Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten has ruled out intervening
      to speed up the Fair Work Australia (FWA) inquiry into the conduct of
      Labor MP Craig Thomson when he was a union official.

      Mr Shorten said FWA was a statutory body conducting its own investigation.

      "The best way to protect Fair Work Australia is to protect its independence," he told the Ten Network on Sunday.

      "The argument which says the government needs to intervene would undermine its independence."

      Since 2009 FWA has been examining allegations of
      financial irregularities at the Health Services Union formerly headed by
      Mr Thomson, now Labor MP for Dobell.
      The opposition and the union's
      current head, Kathy Jackson, say that's way too long.

      Mr Thomson is alleged to have used union credit cards for
      prostitutes, lavish meals and cash withdrawals - allegations he denies.

      Mr Thomson's vote is crucial to the survival of the Gillard minority government.

      FWA has concluded its investigation but has asked Mr
      Thomson and two other union officials, Ms Jackson and Michael
      Williamson, to comment on a list of "possible contraventions" by March 5
      before finalising its action.

      Mr Shorten said his personal dealings with Mr Thomson as an MP were fine.

      "In terms of what happens with the inquiry, we have got
      to see what the inquiry finds," he said. "But in the meantime, I do
      believe people deserve a presumption of innocence."

      Mr Shorten said he could not guarantee the FWA report would be released publicly.

      "For instance, if it turns out that the report has
      findings which then need to trigger an investigation by the DPP
      (Director of Public Prosecutions), releasing it publicly may prejudice
      any subsequent criminal investigation," he said.

      Opposition leader Tony Abbott said the inquiry had taken
      longer than the 1987-1989 Fitzgerald inquiry into Queensland police
      corruption.

      He added that the 1995-1997 Wood royal commission into
      the NSW Police Service had also been shorter, while the Cole royal
      commission into the building industry concluded after just 18 months.

      "It should not have taken more than three years to
      investigate Craig Thomson and bring this matter to a just conclusion,"
      he told the Ten Network on Sunday.

      He called on Prime Minister Julia Gillard to make it
      clear whether or not she still had full confidence in Mr Thomson, and if
      she was satisfied with the FWA investigation.

      "Let the government come clean by giving us all the
      details of this because no-one surely thinks it was absolutely necessary
      to drag this investigation out for so long," he said.
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Post  Billy Ruben on Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:48 am

Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:So, how many have kept count of all the times
"Billy Ruben", just has to jump in and attack me
for posting GOOD NEWS of CHILD PORN RINGS
GETTING BUSTED?

How many have figured out what that SAYS ABOUT
"Billy Ruben"?

Particularly as "Billy Ruben" GETS EXTRA ANGRY
when baby fuckers ARE ALSO LINKED TO, 'respected'
positions, like say, THE MEDICAL INDUSTRY.

Speaking of which, how many have noticed that
"Billy Ruben" can't even get my husband's TRADE
OR NAME right, in his desperate efforts to SPIN BS
out of what I actually post?

Makes one wonder WHY "Billy Ruben" is NOT so keen
to 'defend', THE ACTUAL PERSON, but rather, DEFENDS
THE ACTUAL PERSON, BY TRYING TO IMPLICATE OTHERS.

Interesting to how "Billy Ruben" threatens me with
State and Federal Police for posting MAIN STREAM NEWS
AND ASKING WHY Police have NOT come for that pc
that someone loaded CHILD PORN on, WHILE I WAS
SLEEPING (Not alone), AT THE OTHER END of THE HOUSE.

Seems "Billy Ruben" NEEDS the world to believe that
the ONLY CORRUPT Police, are those "Billy Ruben"
'claims' to be 'fighting', NOT THOSE PROTECTING
CHILD PORN PEDDLERS, and REFUSING TO PROTECT
THEIR VICTIMS.


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No you lying dog-rooting slut.And you know it.You play the game of insinuating I have involvement in filth peddling and drug and gun runningYou know the truth of your own lies and I have exposed everyone of them.Noticed you did'nt get phone texts like you saidAnd those recent,that I save,so when you falsely accuse,I can prove otherwise.You only just got that Blue-tooth connection and I have'nt bit for months.Stupid fuck you are,you give the game away before it gets on the way.Come on,prove otherwise.

You hate the fact I report those cops,cause I supply EVIDENCE,something you always failed to do and now we know why,Ballarat Police refuted every claim you've made.You're not even on their records,idiot.

And that's why I think you're obsesse3d with child-molesting,WHY?

Told you,I put money on it,you did fuck your dog on that breeder farm as a young teenage curious whore that you were,turned to God and tried transference,hoping it's all forgotten and forgiven

The only person you can't hide it from is yourself.That's why I keep reminding.And I have credibilty,something you lost in your battles with me,hehehehehe,I have trade,you're bankrupt.Who cares what you say and think.But involve me or those I love,I'll have you,anytime.

You've had your warning,hope they confiscate your computer,that was one of the reasons I'm going to do it.Forget hiding it you stupid bitch,every component has it's own signature.They can tell when you substituteThere's things the authorities can do,that even most crackers have no idea about,have a nice life creep.


cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
true lilly wrote:'Billy Ruben' says 'he's' in hiding.
Should I post all the Ph. No's 'he' threatens me by?
Or just the numbers of those who first Blutoothed my phone,
and also boasted of having friends in the police that access
phone use details for them?

Well, if something were to happen to a real person who's
identity 'they' use, after 'Billy Ruben/Jason Cook' texted me
where he "is hiding from Occultists", I think authorities should
get straight onto 'them', rather than waste time harassing me,
'their' actual, intended victim.

Lets face it; the only reason 'they' have for sending me such
a message, would be to try to set me up for harm done to
some mentally ill person 'they' use as 'their' cover for the
self serving evils 'they' do.


What a load of shit!!!!.

No harm will come to your crazy little head,no matter how much you push.You're ridiculous and insane.I'd stick around to argue,but seeing as you spammed your own thread with off-topic,non-related bullshit,I shall leave again.

Oh,I support the fat redneck making and flying Swastika flags.No harm done at all...it's how I feel and what I see,when this flag flies proud.[/img]






thumbs up lmao lol! rolf popcorn
Billy Ruben wrote: rolf rolf rolf rolf

...Now that's a very interesting post about psychological transference.

If I remember correctly,I did a thread about you,where you admit you have child porn on on your computer and blamed three differing parties.

You admitted you have it...and blamed others.Now,how do your inconsistencies would look before a jury,Eh?

Not to good for you,you mad silly cow.Those scrubbers in gaol will absolutely rip you to pieces the very first night.Enjoy getting fist-anal babe,because if I prove you still got it,I'll be mercilous with you and condemn you to the lowest realms,where that decrepid soul of yours came from

Try Me,Suzanne Ryan of Ballarat/Wendouree...just fucking try me.

Filth peddler.


cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu
http://sodlikeproductions.motion-forum.net/t1665-true-lilly-confesses-to-having-child-porn-on-her-pc
http://sodlikeproductions.motion-forum.net/t1802p15-billy-ruben-says-he-s-in-hiding-should-i-post-all-the-ph-no-s-he-threatens-me-by#29955
Billy Ruben wrote:You're filth Suzy Ryan.

Remember the sequence of threats I told you months ago,it's already started.

Your thread,The Lying Conspiracy,...rant roomed.

Next,back to the Mental Health Authorities with a proper prepared proposal.

Next,The Federal Police Of Australia.

Then,and the best of all...Interpol.

So keep pushing little Missy and I will enact my threats and have you good,where I want you,M'Kay?

There's a good girl,back to knowing exactly where you stand moron.One more flicker of shit from you,you're gone.

What you only wish,fantasize and beg God for,I'll pull off.I've been offered a very special rank amongst the satanist,it's tempting,but know how it corrupts.I'd only join to wipe the floor with arseholes like you.But the best of intentions with those kind of energies,would only consume me.

On bending knee bitch,beg,that my wisdom holds up...this time around.


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Post  true lilly on Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:57 am

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/kiddie_porn_horror/P20/
The Pixie Ear-Wax Rudd has announced the appointment of Qld Governor Quentin

Bryce as the next Governor General to replace Jefferies.

Bryce is supposedly a reformed alcoholic and
former President of The Qld Abuised Child Trust.


When presented with the Lindeberg Petition in relation to the Heiner Affair,
Bryce is known to said “it (The Heiner Affair) represents a boil which
cannot be lanced”.

A copy of the Lindeberg Petition can be obtained from the internet and has
been tabled in the Australian Senate and House of Representatives.

The petition included details of the destruction of the Heiner Documents
including details of the pack rape of “Annette”.

This is far worse than the situation involving the Howard government’s
appointment of Archbishop Hollingsworth.

Hollingsworth at no time was facing the prospect of being charged with a
criminal offence. Bryce on the other hand is facing the prospect of criminal
charges. This matter is currently before the Qld PCMC and by an unamious
decision the committee is believed to have requested a further submission
from Mr Lindeberg’s lawyers in relating to a solution to the grave impasse.

It should be noted that when a House of representatives Committee, chaired
by Bronwyn Bishop, looked at the Heiner Affair, including The Lindeberg
Grievance, it recommended the establishment of a Commission of Inquiry
(Royal Commission) and the appointment of a Special Prosecutor to process
the criminal charges.

Mrs Bryce is believed to be one of the sixty five individuals mentioned in
the Rofe Audit. This report was prepared by David Rofe QC a leading Sydney
barrister for Kevin Lindeberg. Mr Rudd is also one of the sixty five
individuals in the audit.

THE PROPOSED APPOINTMENT OF QUENTIN BRYCE TO THE POSITION OF GOVERNOR
GENERAL SHOULD BE SEEN AS AN ATTEMPT BY KEVIN THE PIXIE EAR-WAX RUDD TO
STAVE OFF THE POSSIBILITY OF HIM BEING SACKED AS PRIME MINISTER AFTER HIS
CRIMINALITY IN THE HEINER AFFAIR HAS BEEN EXPOSED

Finally the Liberals will have to bite the bullet and find their balls over
THe Heiner Affair.

tombrown (Reply)
Wed 08 Feb 12 (04:47pm)

Heiner Watcher replied to tombrown
Wed 08 Feb 12 (06:39pm)

All your own work, I see.

Link.

tombrown replied to tombrown
Wed 08 Feb 12 (10:05pm)

No, I cant post links for peanuts,but I sure can cut and paste.Never pretended otherwise.
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Post  sharky on Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:06 am

el kabong wrote:Save your breath Barney.....lilly is very delusional...warped...deformed.........look at the Facts in this Thread:
Australia is mostly Desert Wasteland







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This Thread is about the Runt Continent Australia that is mostly Desert wasteland and what isn't desert wasteland is often flooded and about to be Volcanized!!!. Capiche? wave

For instance suzi wuzi/suze aka 'tru lilly/vera susa'; did you know:

Deserts comprise 1.3 million square miles or about 44% of the land area of Australia. thinking hmm wave



http://www.australiafacts.org/

Australia’s Desert Country

One third of Australia’s land is desert. Australia has 10 deserts of which the largest is the Great Victoria Desert, covering just under 5 percent of the country. Ironically, the Great Victoria Desert is not located in Victoria but is in Western Australia and South Australia. The Great Victoria Desert covers 348,750 square kilometres which makes it around one and a half times bigger than the UK or slightly smaller than Montana.

How Big is Australia?
Australia is the word’s smallest continent
noway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deserts_of_Australia

And if it isn't Desert Wasteland and flooded it's quaking, yes Suze, Australia is amongst the most unstable of Landmasses being part of the Ring of Fire.

Do you know any truths/facts? It doesn't seem so....hmmmmmmmmmmmm........

thinking hmm noway

Australia’s first recorded earthquake after white settlement occurred at Port Jackson, New South Wales in June, 1788 and lasted for about 3 seconds.

Other earthquakes recorded in early Australian history were:

■Hobart in 1827
■South Australia 1837
■Melbourne in 1841
■Perth in 1849.
The first recorded deaths in Australia caused by earthquakes occurred in 1902, at Warooka, South Australia. Two people died of shock after a Richter magnitude 6.0 earthquake.


A train line damaged by an earthquake
In 1917, one miner died and 5 were injured in an underground rock fall triggered by an earthquake in Kalgoorlie, Western Australia.

In the last 80 years, there have been 17 earthquakes in Australia registering 6.0 or more on the Richter Scale. This is a rate of about one earthquake every five years, compared to the world average of about 140 per year.

Although the larger Australian earthquakes have caused significant damage, they are much smaller in strength than the world's most-damaging earthquakes. Until Newcastle's December 1989 earthquake, the damage caused by earthquakes in Australia had been comparatively low.

Quakes that Shook the Nation
Here is a list of some of the major earthquakes to have occured in Australia in recent times:

1 March 1954, Adelaide, South Australia
Adelaide was awakened by a loud rumbling sound. This was followed by shaking, severe enough to crack walls and loosen plaster and chimneys from many houses. Although minor compared to many overseas quakes, the Adelaide earthquake was (at magnitude 5.4) severe enough to cause damage estimated at $350 million (1997 values). No serious injuries were reported.

October 1968, Meckering, Western Australia
One of the more serious Australian earthquakes in fairly recent years occurred at the small town of Meckering. Residents reported seeing ground waves as well as experiencing difficulty when driving as the 6.9 Richter magnitude earthquake struck. Old buildings collapsed, railway lines were buckled and pipelines fractured, and a 37 kilometres long fault scarp (up to 2.5 metres high) was caused. Sixteen injuries were reported and the total cost of damage estimated $50 million.

22 January 1988, Tennant Creek, Northern Territory
Significant earthquakes of magnitudes 6.3, 6.4 and 6.8 occurred near Tennant Creek in the Northern Territory. These resulted in large, long ground ruptures and a 35 kilometre fault (up to 2 metre displacement) which warped underground gas pipelines, but caused only minor damage to the hospital and some homes in the town.

28 December 1989, Newcastle, New South Wales
At 10.27am, Newcastle, Australia's sixth largest city, was partially devastated by a moderate earthquake measuring 5.6 on the Richter Scale. The Newcastle earthquake, the first lethal one in Australia, claimed 13 lives.

The devastation to buildings and other structures was extensive, which was unusual for a relatively-small magnitude earthquake. This was due mainly to an underlying, thin layer of alluvium, which appeared to magnify ground motion (shaking). The epicentre was located 15km West Southwest of the city centre, near Boolaroo.

August 1994, Ellalong, New South Wales
A damaging earthquake again affected the Hunter region of NSW, this time in the Ellalong-Cessnock area. Measuring 5.4 on the Richter Scale, it became our third most-damaging. Several homes, hotels and other buildings suffered seriously and up to 1,000 homes were partly damaged. Infrastructure, commercial and industrial losses also occurred. Insurance payouts were $38 million and total damage costs exceeded $150 million (1997 values).

The End of a Myth

A map showing the Earth's tectonic plates and
earthquake zones.
(see the text on the left for more information)
Despite Australia's seemingly low-risk situation in the middle of one of Earth's larger tectonic plates, we have had many earthquakes larger than that of Newcastle. The map to the right shows that Australia is in the middle of the Australian-Indian Plate.

The Australian Geological Survey Organisation in Canberra estimates that on average, the Australian region experiences an earthquake of at least this size, or larger, every 13-15 months.

Most of these earthquakes have been in low populated areas, so for many years people thought Australia could not be affected by this natural disaster. The Newcastle experience dispelled this myth!

Australian Geology
Due to Australia's geological position, we are prone to what seismologists call 'intra-plate' earthquakes.

These are different to the more familiar plate-margin earthquakes, common in areas like California in the USA and in Japan.



cheese

H boobies

Soooo............if Australia isn't a Desert Wasteland, flooded or being jarred and quaked it is likely that the inhabitants are going to be Bar-B-Qued by Volcanoes, yes Suze-aka 'tru lilly/vera susa' Australia has many Volcanoes and Fault Lines which shatters your deception that Australia is a fertile and stable environment.

got anymore falsehoods you want to share?

Why are you trying to lure innocent humans to that Desert hellhole?
noway



Volcanoes and Earthquakes.




Daily Earthquake activity Reports latest news feed

Earthquake and Fault Line Maps for Australia.

Is there a risk of a volcanic eruption in Australia ?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/foo7/volcmap.html


Mount Gambier ( Eastern South Australia ) Australia's youngest volcano.
A volcano filled with water. Erupted 4,500 years ago
"...volcanic activity must be considered a serious environmental hazard and risk for the Australian mainland. " Source: The risk of volcanic eruption in mainland Australia - E. B. Joyce.............................The Western Victorian Volcanic Plains are the third largest in the world and exceeded only by the Deccan in western India, and the Snake River Plateau in the United States ( Idaho-Nebraska ).

The Victorian Volcanic Plains are located in Western Victoria and covers over 2.3 million ha (10.36% of the State).
It stretches from Portland in the west to Craigieburn in the east and from Clunes in the north to Colac in the south.........................................“ There are around 400 volcanoes stretching from the Western District of Victoria into the Western Uplands around Ballarat wave and to the north of Melbourne around Kyneton and Kilmore, in some parts of the Eastern Uplands such as to the north of Benambra, and across to the South Australian border near Mt Gambier.
A volcanic eruption in the Western Uplands could potentially see lava flows and ash falls impacting on Melbourne.

There is also similar volcano risk present in various provinces in Far North Queensland, stretching from south-west of Townsville to near Cairns and up to Cooktown in the Far North. There are more than 380 volcanoes in total across this part of Queensland.
A future eruption in any of these regions would be unlikely to come from an existing volcano (as the volcanoes there are generally considered to be 'once only’ erupters).
Rather, future eruptions would occur at new sites nearby.
The geological record shows that new volcanoes in these areas have erupted perhaps every 2000 years in the past 40,000 years—and given there has not been a major eruption there for the past 5000 years, a significant eruption seems well overdue. " (3)


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Post  true lilly on Sun Feb 26, 2012 9:45 am




Reminds me of when LABOR Appointed
Chief of Police Christine NIXON
wasn't around DURING THE PEAK of
The VICTORIA FIRES CRISIS...


Governor-General Quentin Bryce

takes her leave in a crisis


Patrick Lion Political Reporter
The Daily Telegraph

February 27, 2012
12:25AM




Prime Minister Julia Gillard meeting with Governor-General Quentin Bryce
Pic: David Foote Source: The Daily Telegraph




GOVERNOR-General Quentin Bryce
has flown out of the country for the week
despite the potential for Australia's
worst constitutional crisis
in almost four decades.




Ms Bryce left Australia yesterday morning for a five-day tour of New Zealand
ahead
of the extraordinary challenge to the leadership of Prime Minister
Julia Gillard today and the volatile situation if Kevin Rudd wins and
had to form a minority government.



After a week of the Labor government imploding, Mr Rudd's ministerial resignation and
unprecedented bitter infighting among Ms Gillard and her senior cabinet ministers,
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott may also move a no-confidence motion
when parliament resumes.



A spokeswoman for Ms Bryce yesterday said the trip was a long-planned state visit and
that NSW Governor Marie Bashir, as the most senior state governor, had replaced her
as administrator of the head of state's office.




"We fly back into Sydney on Thursday night," a spokeswoman for Ms Bryce told
The Daily Telegraph
from Auckland. "We don't expect any issues. It was long-planned."



But the spokeswoman would not comment on whether Ms Bryce had asked for legal advice
on Mr Rudd winning, having to renegotiate with the independents and asking her to form
a minority government.
"We don't comment on political issues," the spokeswoman said.




One constitutional law expert,
who did not wish to be named,

said that while Ms Bryce
may only be a few hours flight away

it was a strange decision.
true lilly wrote:



Tasmanian parliament

Download hansard.

JUSTICE - THE 'HEINER AFFAIR'
[6.07 p.m.]
Mr MICHAEL HODGMAN (Denison) -


As Her Majesty's shadow attorney-general for the State of Tasmania,
I wish to raise a matter of injustice which has concerned me greatly,
and I will be, with the consent of the minister, tabling in the House and
making available to Hansard, the full article written by Australia's leading writer,
Piers Akerman, and published nationally under the headline 'Tragic tale needs ending'.
It relates to what has become known as the 'Heiner affair'.

It arises in Queensland but it is a matter of concern to all in Australia who
are committed to the pursuit of justice. The article speaks for itself, but I am grateful to
the minister for allowing me to table it because it will save me reading it into Hansard.

Piers Akerman puts a very strong case for a proper judicial inquiry
into a shocking injustice, an injustice which has been covered up for 19 years.

It was raised at the Standing Committee of Shadow Attorneys-General meeting
in Sydney on Friday, which I attended;
it was chaired by the Commonwealth Attorney-General, the Honourable Philip Ruddock MP.

It
was further raised at the national conference of Australians for a
Constitutional Monarchy, which I addressed in Sydney the following day.

I seek leave to table the article by Piers Akerman and have it incorporated into Hansard.
I commend it to all members. If you accept, as I do, that the case here is overwhelming,
then the matter will be listed for proper debate in this Parliament at a later time.
Justice delayed is justice denied. The girl who suffered this massive injustice needs to
have the matter put right and I appeal to all of you to read the article carefully and
I hope you will support me when I intend to bring the matter back to the Parliament
for debate later this session.



Leave granted.



The article read as follows -
'Tragic tale needs ending
Federal Opposition leader Kevin Rudd may be called to answer questions
relating to the destruction of evidence as a police investigation into the rape of
Queensland girl 19 years ago gains new momentum.

The girl, who we will call Alice, was just 14 at the time and resident at the
John Oxley Youth Detention Centre, in the care of the Queensland Government,
when she was gang raped by other inmates.



Though some of the rapists confessed, no charges were pressed and the police
inquiry at the time was at best belated and perfunctory.

Alice's tragic story is but one strand of this horror,
the other is the Goss ALP government's attempt to
ignore her plight and bury the incident without trace.


That attempt began when an investigation directed by former magistrate Noel Heiner
and launched by the Cooper National Party government was shut down by the Goss government when it came to power.



The Goss cabinet ordered the shredding of all the documents collected by
Heiner and this marked the beginning of the Heiner Affair.

Rudd was premier Wayne Goss's chief of staff at the time and subsequently
became the director-general of his cabinet office. It was widely held that
nothing took place within cabinet without his knowledge, and he has also
claimed his experience running Goss's cabinet has equipped him to be prime
minister of Australia.



Though both Rudd and Queensland Premier Peter Beattie claimed as recently as
last week that the shredding of the documents needed no further investigation, it
has never been fully examined.



Both Rudd and Beattie also rejected the view of former chief justice of the High
Court Sir Harry Gibbs and an unprecedented plea from a former West
Australian chief justice (David Malcolm), two retired New South Wales chief
judges (Jack Lee, now deceased, and Dr Frank McGrath), two retired New
South Wales Supreme Court justices (Roddy Meagher and Barry O'Keefe), one
of Australia's foremost QCs (Alec Shand) and a legal academic and barrister
(Alastair MacAdam) that an independent special prosecutor be appointed to
examine the matter.



The most thorough inquiry to date was conducted by a House of
Representatives committee chaired by federal MP Bronwyn Bishop, which
recommended that 'members of the Queensland cabinet at the time that the
decision was made to shred the documents gathered by the Heiner inquiry be
charged for an offence pursuant to Section 129 of the Queensland Criminal
Code Act 1899. Charges pursuant to sections 132 and 140 of the Queensland
Criminal Code Act 1899 may also arise'.

Further, a recent two-year audit of the matter by prominent Sydney QC David
Rofe, which ran to 3 000 pages contained in nine volumes, concluded there
were 67 unaddressed alleged prima facie criminal charges against the cabinet
and civil servants that needed to be urgently addressed.

Alice still suffers profound psychological problems, exacerbated by repeated
charges that she is a liar, but filed a complaint with the Queensland Police
Service in March 2006, following the release under Freedom of Information
legislation, which included evidence that the rapists had confessed to both a
staffer at the youth centre, and the director of the facility, Peter Coyne.



The documents show that not only was she raped, she was also denied her legal
rights by the Queensland police - and those entrusted with her care.

Alice has been interviewed by members of the Queensland police taskforce
Argos and a senior detective from Argos last Tuesday sought an interview with
another person who has maintained an interest in the matter.

Rudd, who describes himself as a 'compassionate Christian' has not sought any
inquiry into the attacks on the girl and has not offered any explanation of the
destruction of the documents, though he had the responsibility for the business
of the cabinet. Whether the Queensland police are now up to fully investigating
such a highly charged political matter, given their studious attempts to ignore it,
is questionable.



As a number of the nation's most senior legal figures have pointed out, there is a
strong precedent for bringing charges against those who ordered and participated in
the shredding of the Heiner material, as shown by the case brought against a
Baptist pastor Douglas Ensbey.



Ensbey suspected that a member of a family in his congregation was being
abused and, while dealing with the mother, was given pages of notes written by
the victim. The family said they would deal with the issue and asked for the
pages back, but Ensbey had guillotined them, making them difficult to read.

The victim went to the police, aged 20, and the assailant immediately confessed.

The police, however, concentrated on the sliced pages and charged Ensbey with
the destruction of evidence under S129. He was found guilty by a jury in March
2004, convicted and sentenced to two year's jail (reduced on appeal to six
months, wholly suspended).

The action of the Goss cabinet falls under the same section of the law the police
used to pursue Douglas Ensbey.

Many see parallels in the campaign by crusaders against child abuse to hound
former governor-general Peter Hollingworth from office, though it was never
alleged he was involved in a crime.



Former Opposition leader Simon Crean said: 'You cannot have people in
authority who have covered up for child sex abuse. It is as simple as that'.
And it is. But what can be said about an Opposition Leader who may have been
complicit in the illegal shredding of evidence? If the ALP stands by the
standards it applied to Hollingworth, Rudd should resign and answer the
questions that the Queensland ALP has worked hard to avoid for 19 years.

If he has a shred of decency, he would consider Alice, and her need for release
from the hell she has been forced to live in because of this nauseating cover-up.'


http://www.heineraffair.info/site_pages/tasmanian_parliament.html



Column - Put Bryce in her box

138 Comments

Andrew Bolt - Friday, March 06, 2009 at 06:25am


QUENTIN Bryce should be reminded
there’s room in this country for just one prime minister.


And she isn’t it.






Indeed, no-one ever voted to make Bryce our Governor-General,
other than the Prime Minister himself.

Yet her new job seems to have gone to her head, because our
Activist-General’s apparent pretentions to be the political leader we
neither asked for nor should want have become alarming.

Last month, for instance, Bryce called in the head of the defence forces,
Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, the head of the Department of Foreign Affairs,
Michael L’Estrange, and the Treasury Secretary, Dr Ken Henry, for official briefings.

This was a first for any governor-general, her spokesman confirmed to The Australian. (Correction: the Governor General’s office has since informed us that this report
was false. Previous governors general have also received briefings.)

And I’m not surprised: does this former sex discrimination commissioner think
her titular role as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces
actually gives her real power over our soldiers, sailors and airmen?

In January, Bryce forgot herself even more completely, going to a big international
conference in Dubai on renewable energy and calling on the world to fight global warming.

“We must act swiftly, act smartly and act together,” she declared.
“Australia will play its full part in the global effort to make sure we seize that opportunity.”



Er, we will?

Even our real Prime Minister is now rethinking that plan, shaken by the recession,
while the Opposition clearly wants Australia to wait a while before doing anything
that will cost jobs.

So who was Bryce speaking for? Herself?


No can do, lady.

Bryce actually knew perfectly well when she accepted the role of Governor-General
that playing politics like this was not part of the job description.



Her job now is to represent all Australians, not just Greens voters, and
to stay well clear of the politics
that would make her a polarising figure.

It’s as the late Richard McGarvie, the much-admired governor of Victoria,
judge and Labor man said—the job must go to a “respected person who remains
entirely above partisan politics and exerts a unifying influence”.


There is a critical reason for that,
beyond the fact that political meddling
by an unelected governor is undemocratic,
which is why we’d be upset if
even the Queen tried
what Bryce is now flaunting.



Even more important is that
the essential role of a governor is to make sure
the constitution works as it should.

Usually that’s an uncontroversial task—
signing into laws the Bills passed by parliament,
swearing in an elected government
and dissolving parliament

when the prime minister asks.



But as we saw with the sacking of the Whitlam government in 1975, sometimes
a governor-general must act in ways that can—if not done carefully by an
apolitical figure—have us at each other’s throats, screaming that
democracy is dead.



Bryce knows all this, but an enforced silence clearly chokes a woman
whose career was spent almost entirely on wagging an improving finger—
whether for the National Women’s Advisory Council,
the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission
or
the Sex Discrimination Commission.

So while she promised to stop politicking, she couldn’t help adding:
“But that doesn’t mean you can’t express views and opinions on matters
of importance to the community.”

Or of importance to Bryce, to be exact. And off the Activist-General then hared,
leaping on political issues with barely a blush of shame.

She backed calls for paid maternity leave, just as the Rudd Government
decided to put this $450 million extravagance on the back burner.

She regally toured the Murray-Darling basin and demanded more leadership
in tackling the drought and global warming, both issues of fierce political debate—
not just between Labor and Liberal, but the Federal Government and the states.

And she launched the book version of the Garnaut Climate Change Review,
spruiking a highly tendentious tome written by Rudd’s hand-picked
adviser on global warming to fulfill a Labor election promise.


It’s hard to think of a more political document for the Governor-General to endorse,
other than the Labor Party platform itself.

I do not doubt that Bryce means well, and has seized on the
Governor-General’s job to do it. But what she wants to do comes at a
cost to the role she’s been given, and is best done by an elected and
accountable politician.



May I suggest she stand for election?

But perhaps that is now too humble an option for the rather grand Bryce,
who set a new first last month by recording a televised address to the nation.



Again, she meant well,
saying comforting things
to the victims of the Black Saturday fires.

But it was incongruous to see a woman few Australians would recognise
and none have chosen deliver a message
in a form previously reserved for a Prime Minister or Queen.


Rather above her station, I thought.
And perhaps the next time the cameras come calling to Yarralumla,
Bryce might consider that rather than get on the box,
she should get back in it.




Australian Governor General Quentin Bryce
is facing new perception of bias claims.




The Governor-General has already sought advice
on another potential conflict of interest stemming from
her daughter's marriage last year to
Labor party powerbroker Bill Shorten.


Governor-General Quentin Bryce is facing a new perception of bias claim
as she seeks advice on whether she should be involved in resolving
the nation's hung parliament.

Two years ago Opposition Leader
Tony Abbott called for a royal commission

into the controversial Heiner Affair
,
which stemmed from the Queensland Goss Labor government's
shredding of documents from an aborted inquiry into a youth centre in 1990.

Mr Abbott told parliament at the time the royal commission should examine
a "compendium of evidence" on the matter prepared by Sydney barrister David Rofe QC.

Ms Bryce, who served as Queensland Governor before becoming
Australia's first female Governor-General, was among numerous people
"adversely named"
in Mr Rofe's document, a parliamentary committee was told.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/federal-election/governorgeneral-hit-with-new-bias-claims-20100825-13s24.html#ixzz1nUqaNjEu
true lilly wrote:Nits dilemma a head-scratcher


...when nits are detected.

A Labor insider lifts the lid on the Rudd Government.
What he claims explains the venom of the attacks against Kevin Rudd this week.

Read More

true lilly wrote:And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal

Thomson union printer raided over credit card
Kate McClymont
February 24, 2012 - 6:22PM

Businessman John Gilleland at his Palm Beach home this morning during a police raid. Photo: Ben Rushton

Police this morning raided the house of
the man accused of providing secret commissions
to the Health Services Union's
former general secretary Craig Thomson
and the union's head Michael Williamson.


Detectives from Strike Force Carnarvon executed a search warrant at the
Palm Beach house of printer John Gilleland, 65, and his wife, Carron, shortly before 7am
today.


Several hours later, police from the computer crime squad arrived to assist in the search
of the Gillelands' house.



Labor MP and former HSU general secretary Craig Thomson, who was provided with a credit card by Mr Gilleland. Photo: Andrew Meares


A Herald investigation last year revealed that
Mr Williamson and Mr Thomson were provided with American Express cards
by Mr Gilleland
, who runs a graphic design and printing business.


The credit cards were issued in the names of Mr Thomson and Mr Williamson,
but were attached to Mr Gilleland's account and the bills incurred on those cards
were allegedly paid for by Mr Gilleland.


The Herald has previously reported that Mrs Gilleland allegedly complained
to senior union officials that Mr Williamson had "run amok" with the credit card.



Mr Gilleland's wife Carron complained that Union boss
Michael Williamson (pictured) had 'run amok' with the credit card he
was issued by her husband
. Photo: Ben Rushton


He even paid his private school fees on it; this was not
part of the deal,
" Mrs Gilleland allegedly said.
Mrs Gilleland today
denied that this occurred or that the converstation ever took place.


Mr Gilleland's company, Communigraphix, which he runs
from his two-storey house in Barrenjoey Road, receives $680,000 a year
to produce 10 issues of the union's newsletter,
the Health Standard.


Either offering or receiving a benefit as an inducement
to act in a certain way in business dealings may constitute a criminal
offence, which can attract penalties of up to seven years' imprisonment.


Mr Williamson, who is on paid leave from the union, and
Mr Thomson, who became the federal member for Dobell in 2007, have
denied any wrongdoing.


This morning's police raid is not the printer's first brush with the law.

In 1984, he and his brother, Ian, were arrested by federal police
over their alleged role in using their printing company to produce
counterfeit German currency.


The quality of the notes was so good that they were given a seven out of 10 rating
by the Reserve Bank.


While John Gilleland was acquitted by a jury in 1986, at a subsequent trial,
Ian was found guilty and sentenced to five years' jail.


Mr Thomson is subject of two other investigations being
conducted by the Victorian Police and Fair Work Australia
into
allegations that he used his union-issued credit card to withdraw
$100,000 in cash advances and to pay for prostitutes. This is a separate
card to the one that was the subject of today's police raid.


Do you know more? kmcclymont@smh.com.au

This reporter is on Twitter: @Kate_McClymont

Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/thomson-union-printer-raided-over-credit-card-20120224-1trn9.html#ixzz1nKPrN39r
true lilly wrote:Government accused of
interfering in Thomson investigation

AAP, Yahoo!7
February 1, 2012, 5:43 pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/12782817/government-accused-of-interfering-in-thomson-investigation/

But then within weeks of that News,
of this OVER 3 YEAR 'Investigation' ...

we have this Labor Horse and Pony Show ...

News poll

Who do you want as Prime Minister?

Vote
Related Link:Rudd vs Gillard: It's on
taking up all our 'news' Space ...
true lilly wrote:Icke...CONspiracy trolls...scrote...

And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal

Baron Cohen warns West over Oscars ban

7:17AM
NewsCore
COMIC'S alter ego,
Admiral General Shabazz Aladeen, threatens West
with "unimaginable consequences" unless sanction is lifted.

true lilly wrote:And Labor still thinks Rudd is the bigger scandal
Thomson union printer raided over credit card
Kate McClymont
February 24, 2012 - 6:22PM
true lilly wrote:Has anyone stopped to ask Ms Gillard if she thinks Rudd
has basically been running a destabilising campaign against Labor and is
a flake, then why did she give him such an important role as Foreign
Minister ?

Surely this assignment reflects badly on Ms Gillard if she give out
these jobs on the basis of her own survival rather than the national
interest.

It seems to me neither Gillard nor Rudd are going to be able to form any
kind of stable government with these tensions and open hatreds, so
surely they own it to the people who pay their wages to call an election
and let them decide.
Scooter (Reply)Thu 23 Feb 12 (11:44pm)

After two days of this circus, and having now watched
interviews on 7.30 and Lateline, why is it that it is only now that the
interviewers are demanding answers?


If only they had approached their jobs with such determination over the
past 5 years, this country may have avoided the disaster that we have
all had to endure— a disaster that will have impacts long after this
bunch of incompetents are turfed out of government.
Ian of Burpengary (Reply)Thu 23 Feb 12 (11:54pm)


Yesterday Kevin Rudd’s administration was described as “chaotic and
dysfunctional” and hence he was deposed. So someone who was at the time
known to run a “chaotic and dysfunctional” administration is then given
the job as foreign minister
representing Australian interests abroad.

I fail to see how that was in the “National Interest”.

Party interest maybe, but certainly not National interest.

While Nero Fiddled of Australia (Reply)Fri 24 Feb 12 (01:01am)
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/tips_for_friday_february_24/#commentsmore

Well one thing we can't deny, is that under Gillard...

Julia Gillard's first day as PM
Prime Minister Julia Gillard emerges from the leadership ballot
with Wayne Swan after defeating Kevin Rudd. Photo: Andrew Meares


Julia Gillard with Quentin Bryce at Government House
after being sworn in as Prime Minister. Photo: Brendan Esposito
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/after-the-tumult-enter-the-new-pm-20100624-z3hv.html#ixzz1nFvCWksE
June 25, 2010

...The GREENS have been shown to be The ENEMY...
...here you go, The Link 'they' DON'T want clicked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_MpLocFQus


The Greens leader Bob brown wants a Global Parliament
that's a global government not a conspiracy now its fact .
National Press Club ABC 29/June/2011 (for those outside Australia

"The Greens" are Australia's 3rd biggest party
militant about imposing their carbon agenda )

...oh, and 'Ciggy' has been shown to be a complete fool

...and 'they' still think it's 'clever' to render my posts illegible,
as it's the only 'counter' 'they' have to facts
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Post  Billy Ruben on Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:10 am

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Billy Ruben wrote:...But I suppose you all knew that,stupid bint,could'nt get any interest and spread rumours about dogfuckers and babyrapers...where it was probably an uncle or step dad who tricked her out.Anyway,I'd love to see the evidence where she tries to extort the forum for money...pathetic she is,anyway,it's a war and it's grizzley,sorry about this to human eyes,but it's the way it is...
She tried extorting Tintin too,everything she accuses one of,believe me,it's the opposite...she's a true lowlife,see it in the street,don't hit it,don't pity it,expectorate on it...in other words,hawk it right back and spit it heavy in her face,that's what I intend on doing...



Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Anyone of unfounded crimes and atrocities ever again I swear,I'll pursue you to the ends of the Earth,your God,will not protect you...

How dare you,pick on someone that can't even defend themselves.
Do you know how much hurt and pain your stupid little game does,how does mine back to you feel? Get it,myopic slag???
Ozpixie would never be what you accuse her off.

Quote: I Am

Jase,

I would not even show this to ozpixie as I know how much it would upset her and trust me, she does not need this sort of disgusting accusation in her life.

I have been slated by the best of them but really don’t give a toss. I know who I am and my friends and family know who I am.. I have been around long enough that it is water off a duck’s back.

Oz on the other hand is a very sweet lady who is not all that savvy to the hatred spread on the net.

I cannot give you too much information but I can assure you she is not the person true lilly believes she is. Her name is not Christine and she has never met or had any contact with lilly. She is not only not from Ballarat, She is not even from the same state.


How's that for showing what little you really know,eh? But still quite prepared to vomit your bullshit.You got no credibility and you make the Anti-Icke movement look cold and hate-filled with no warrant to be...and for that

I THANK YOU

ANYWAY,YOU'RE NOT GETTING LET OFF,WHILST YOU STILL USE GENERAL FORUM,i WILL HAUNT YOU,BACK IN YOUR DUNGEON DRAGON...AND WHILE YOU'RE THERE,ACCUSE ANYBODY OF ANY SEXUAL CRIME AND I WILL TAUNT AND HAUNT YOU MORE...

THIS WILL NOT END,I WILL AWAIT YOU AND DESTROY EVERY SYLLABLE YOU DARE UTTER IN FUTURE...F*CK YOU,IS THE ORDER FOR EVERYDAY,DRAGON...

cthulhu cthulhu

Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

Billy Ruben wrote:ANSWER ME YOU GOD WHORE,WHY ACCUSE SOMEONE MEEK AND MILD OF AN ATROCITY THAT SHE COULD'NT EVEN READ ABOUT,LET ALONE PERFORM,WITH NO EVIDENCE AS USUAL,BUT YOU SEEM PRE-OCCUPIED WITH THIS SUBJECT,AND NAMED OZPIXIE WRONG,BUT STILL PERSIST,WHY SPREAD VICIOUS LIES AND RUMOURS,JUST SO PEOPLE WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF YOUR POST,BITCH!!!
I ALSO NOTICED YOU NEVER MENTIONED CIGGY AND I FOR MONTHS,UNTIL YOU FOUND I WAS POSTING AT HPANWO...WAS THIS THE BIGGEST BUNGLE YOU AND YOUR ILK MADE,I KNOW SO,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,F*CK YOU....
ALL THIS JUST TO RAISE YOUR READERSHIP...IF YOU WERE'NT SUCH A SPASTIC,YOU'D STILL BE WHERE YOU WANT TO BE,THE DAVID ICKE FORUMS...NER,NER,NER,NER


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Razz Razz Razz Razz

pig pig pig pig

tongue tongue tongue tongue

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:I just sent Alison (I am) an email of this thread with your accusations about Ozpixie.As long as it don't go against their non-disclosure agreement,I asked her to inform Christine of this thread and to please give me information why True Lilly,(mental basket case spastic bitch),why would one of Gods' anointed would make such a claim?

I also asked for information about you madam...not where you live,but what you've done to others and the games and back-stabbing you involve yourself with,thankyou Lulzy for admitting this,it was arsehole game players is why I left DIF in the end,but I might just re-activate my account...and keep a low profile...the rant room is too tempting....And you know why arsehole???I'll rant every thread you've done,lost in the bowels of the rant room...Then,I'll ask Ozpixie to take you to court over your accusations,by using the police,(they'll help her...then when it's thrown out of court cause we just found out you're a registered mental patient...a real one!!!...then I will be ever so sorry I spoke ill to you...and forgive you for your harassment and games you play...if not,you're gonna look stupid,at any rate...and if Ozpixie does cough up...and reveals your lies and games the same as everyone else asserts,then your readers,must be as mental and fucked in the head as you...have a nice day.

and just to let the discerning reader know...

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:Hey Mental Patient,since you assert that you can answer questions,without spam I hope,...

What justifies you calling Christine/Ozpixie a goat fucker and that she makes men do it for bribery purposes???

Would you not consider that the men would rather f*ck Ozpixie than goats...but the possibilty is,that the men might rather f*ck a goat than some broken shrunken imp of a person such as yourself???

Why do you always label people goat,dog/fuckers,peadophiles?I have,but they and I know the truth of it...Even proved a few things that go on deaf ears.

You're sick Suzy,real sick...if you get sanctioned in a mental home,I'll forgive you,but you're on the street being a danger to yourself and everybody else...I can con a mental health team Suzy,5 minute chat with you,they'll never let you out,they hate God botherers the most in psyche-wards,drug the absolute crap out of them...


Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:

So,where is the sex/porn spam,do you still think beastiality is natural sex???You see,Lilly,it's about interpretations,what you view as natural and loving,the law of the land regards as perverse and criminal...but in danger of giving the judge an erection
...and your 'double speak' is so weak and transparent...could it be that
you are the local horse rapist that the judges keep letting off...
true lilly wrote:sadly, some 'sick puppies' are so sick, a bullet's their only 'cure'... ...
... or you could simply 'you' 'ninny' 'billy' goat shagger's...

...umm, so 'you' do 'know' Christine in your satanic biblical sense, that local
animal raping ex-copper's witch...
...she couldn't get enough of making men fcuk goats...them blackmailing them...
...to stay in her sick death circles forever...I did warn people about her, years ago,
back in the ATS days...mind you, she and her ilk are a dime a dozen cheap slags...
...I'm sure you can find another if she's no longer available...now go, to
your own kind...I can't even pity you...


Are you kidding...No,this comes from the lips of True Lilly,it's all batshit...

Lilly,stop telling lies and no,I don't know Christine/OzPixie...Imagine that eh?David Icke Forum Moderators are either Illuminati Shills like Dark Eternal or goat fucking satanist like OzPixie,cause True Lilly tells me so...

No Lilly,I don't think they'll let you back on DIF....EVER.


DO YOU SEE THE PATTERN TRUE LILLY,EVERYONE YOU TAKE A DISLIKE TOO,IS PAINTED A GOATFUCKER,BABYFUCKER OR SOMETHING ELSE.YOU HAVE ISSUES IN THIS AREA,AND IT'S ALL TO DO WITH YOUR PERCEPTION OF YOURSELF.IF YOU WERE MADE TO DO THINGS WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG,IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT,IF YOU INSTIGATED IT,THEN GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON...YOU POINT THE FINGER SUZY,BUT IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE FIGURED YOU OUT,READ YOUR PM ABOUT YOUR FAMILY...


Billy Ruben wrote:This is not such a bad way to go actually,my way,I would've destroyed you,but the fall-out for me would be just as bad...this way,we can deal with the FACTS as you've claimed...

Once you have no credibilty,you can post spam to the wall,cause there is no-way anyone will believe you...Hey,how come you have'nt called in the cavalry??? (hOrSeY-Palomino)...when it gets out of control you usually sink to every method that you accuse David Icke and Tintin of...
Gang-stalking,harassment,etc...when the dust settles,was that one little lie that kicked this all off a year ago,...Was it All Worth It?

Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Nothing 'private' about this, 'you' 'ninny nong'...

So, which is it?
"Billy Ruben" makes a serious threat, or, he's all lying talk?


From Billy Ruben To true lilly, Today at 4:28 pm
____________________________________________________________________

true lilly wrote:
So, you still haven't figured out why the smarter ones hand-balled you this:
"Keep pushing and I'll destroy you good and proper.", job.
_____________________________________________________________________

quote:Billy Ruben


your a goner mate...
_____________________________________________________________________

Either way...'you & Ciggy' simply shouldn't have spammed, my one thread,
with 'you & Ciggy's' endless public 'conversations' about 'you & Ciggy's'
'beliefs' on when a child is too young or too related to lust after
, and then
stepped up 'your' phone and on line harassment, when I asked 'you', again,
to remove that, utterly sick, way off topic, 'conversation' of 'yours',
from my thread, that was 'chopped up' to have 'those conversations'
of 'you & Ciggy', head and end the pages, as if it where my topic...and then cry,
rant, libel, make endless personal threats and try to sound like 'you'
AND 'your' supportive ASSOCIATES are 'good guys'.


Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.

this is what I mean't you're a goner,you think I'd martyr you...hehehehe,that's how you think,idiot,no,a living permanenet death...I destroyed every credible shred you ever had or beLIEved you had.

This is what I am had to say,the truth...you're a disgusting spiteful shitbag of a person Suzy Ryan...if I get a chance,I'll f*ck you over in court
...Alison won't even show Ozpixie your stuff and I don't blame her,Ozpixie to me was like an Aussie Antiem,a very nice young lady,but Antiem shocked me with her strengths,I always thought Ozpixie was a little softy,like Curtain Cat,very lovely girls...You spiteful stale withered shitbag of a woman,I HATE you properly now...and have no shame in how I treat you,exactly how I treat demons,what I say to them,made them weep...you I will break...I am an old demon in transition,anything that tries stopping me in future,I'll swat,as I do to roaches...





the only thing being threatened is what little credibilty you think you had...call the police,go on,dare you,send your bald headed mate up,I'm in pretty good shape compared to yesterday.F*CK YOU!!!

sucked in...you make me ill...


True Lilly,puts her foot in it:
Mind you, as 'Billy Ruben & Ciggy' thought it funny at the time of 'that conversation',
that I should ask them to stop spamming my thread with 'their' sick 'fishing', and that
'he' keeps bringing it up, I'd say it's something else that has 'them' worried...as it should.


Thankyou Suzy,that's exactly what I said,spam a True Lilly shitbox thread to make it interesting and you get painted as a child molester...exactly what I've been saying.

The only disappointing aspect,is you're proving me dead-on with no effort needed,this is all to easy...


THIS SUPER-SPAM CAN BE ALOT OF FUN AND ANNOYANCE,THANKYOU TRUE LILLY,FOR INTIATING ME IN THE SCHOOL OF SECRET ARTS...


Billy Ruben wrote:yeah,we remember the car-bombing,you lied and bullshitted about that one too...and sent us a pic of some woman walking a dog as proof,yeah,credible honest god fearing suzy fuckwit ryan...

Billy Ruben wrote:NOW THAT YOU SLYLY ADMIT YOU'RE TORTURING THOSE CATS IN YOUR YARD,LIKE I ALWAYS SUSPECT A PATHETIC SLAG LIKE YOU TO DO,JUST TO UPSET ME,WELL F*CK YOU SUZY RYAN,A CAT'S LIFE IS WORTH MORE THAN A 1000 OF YOURS,I DON'T CARE WHO SEES THIS OR DISGUSTED WITH ME OR EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT,BUT I SWEAR,I'LL CATCH UP WITH YOU AND TEACH YOU WHAT PAIN IS...I SPENT 4 HOURS ON THE NET,LAST NIGHT USING THE WHITE PAGES,BITCH LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A REGISTERED ADDRESS ON A NORMAL PHONE LINE,SO YEAH,I' NOT TAKING YOUR SHIT THIS TIME...FUCKING DIE BITCH...

GINGER AND WHITE CATS I LOVE AND ADORE,I WAS LAST YEAR,GOING TO DRIVE THERE JUST TO TAKE ONE OR TWO OFF YOUR HANDS...BUT F*CK YOU...YOU DEAD TO ME...

cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu cthulhu
Billy Ruben wrote:...As I and many of you suspected,there was no car bombing,to True Lilly/Vera Susa/Suzy Ryan.Made good on a threat I made to her and rang the police to have her charged with defamation,to myself,her ex-husband and everyone else she has pointed a finger at for the last five years.We went through every detail,including her husband,whom they are tracking down,to give what information I was able to convey to him.

I enquired,she'd be easy to remember,she had a car bombing and put in hospital twice through beatings,not one detail was on file,nor could any officer at the station remember it.SHE'S A TOTAL FAKE ARSE FRAUD....IT'S OUT,SHE PLAYED YOU PEOPLE GOOD AND PROPER FOR YEARS,WHOEVER BOUGHT IT,YOU GULLIBLE LITTLE FOOLS.

Anyway,today is to be counted as great vfictory for truth and sanity,rest assured,the fool thinks she can spam this under the carpet,but it won't work,with due dilligence and participation by all.

You have a duty to do so,The Craig Oxley site went down,so full rebuttals are needed here.

I will not bend,tomorrow,it's the mental health authorities.I did'nt really want her charged,I just wanted her to make a scene with the police,so they lock her in the loonie bin,when that happens,it's usually for 6 months,scheduled.Which she needs for her and your safety.I will not back down and continue with this grubby war against the dragon,my boots are worn and could do with a new shod of leather.Hate her with a passion and will endeavor my best to garner a result.

I just wanted all her enemies to know and understand,everything she ever said,was a hoax,a lie and an attempt to gain favour by readership or money from you,the extortionist bitch.She'll try this on someone in real life and that will be the end of her,good and proper,you'll be reading about her soon enough,not enduring her slabs of lies for much longer and for that,I thankyou,Suzy Ryan.

fup butt rolf lol!
Billy Ruben wrote:
Billy Ruben wrote:WELL,THAT WAS INTERESTING,JUST HAD A CHAT WITH BALLARAT POLICE,ALTHOUGH I CAN'T PRESS CHARGES (INTERNET STALKING),CAUSE I'VE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH HER,BUT TINTIN,"I AM" AND OTHERS,CAN PRESS CHARGES....BUT THE BEST BIT...GET READY...HE CONFIRMED FOR ME....HAHAHAHAHAHA rolf ...THERE HAS BEEN NO CAR BOMBINGS IN VICTORIA FOR 30 YEARS AND THAT WAS RUSSELL STREET BOMBINGS AND SUZY RYAN HAS NOT BEEN BEAT UP AND PUT IN HOSPITAL TWICE...NOW HOW ABOUT THAT.I MENTIONED HER HUSBAND,BILL RYAN A SERVING POLICE OFFICER AND ADMITTED I'M THE SON OF A GAOL WARDEN AND FREEMASON MYSELF...IS THERE NO HOPE FOR THE WIDOWS SON?,HEHEHEHEHE,MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES WILL BE CONTACTED AFTER 9 AM TOMORROW AND I'LL INFORM THE FORUM OF THE PROGRESS FROM THERE,WHAT A REVELATION EH?...WE ALL KNEW OR SUSPECTED SHE'S FULL OF SHIT...BUT THIS IS A VICTORY,MOST BEAUTIFUL...AND FOR THAT,I THANKYOU SUZY RYAN...HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
thumbs up rolf

Billy Ruben wrote:When I push you over the edge and you pull Mr Policeman on me,like I want you too Wink ,I have your former husbands' name here,which will come in very handy.Tell me,if your kids seen this,would they be so supportive of you,if they knew you call daddy a baby raping goat fucker?I want to cost you dearly madam,for your years of lies and baseless and groundless accusations,did your husband spam your thread too,Lying C*nt,I bet...

true lilly wrote:ICKE, ASSange, BILL RYAN, CIGGY,
TINTIN, CORI, and so on and on the list
of CON Industry PUSHERS goes...and made
FILTHY 'RICH' through 'their' WORK as
MASS ANTI-SOCIAL MANIPULATORS, who
HATE
me FOR being CONTENT with ENOUGH,
NOT
ENVYING NOR HATING THE 'TRULY WEALTHY'.
Wink

Learn something about cops,they're not in it for justice,they look after their own,corrupt and facilitate evil,you'd better watch it Suzy,Victorian Cops are'nt as lenient as NSW cops,they shoot mental patients down your way,set you up,you'll start rambling with a kitchen knife...and BLAM!!!,they put the rabid idiot out to pasture for ever and ever.Amen...Amen-Ra

pig pig
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Unhived Mind Website Taken Down...!!!
true lilly wrote:Very Happy Wink Very Happy Wink
Fine by me,
I got all of my thread on that site,
on hard copy.
Wink Laughing

Unfortunately, Team Tintin have been flat out,
re-writing all his myths (as if actual history),
on "tintin's", "The News Behind The News" thread,
at .




Fortunately, the readership of that thread has plummeted.
Wink Very Happy Laughing Wink

SO WHAT,WHO'D BELIEVE YOU ANYWAY...DON'T HAVE THOSE PHOTOS DO YOU???...OF SAY...A CAR BOMBING???...THOUGHT SO... thumbs down

ps,SHE DOES'NT HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH THE HUMILIATION THERE ANY MORE,CAN SEE WHY YOU'RE HAPPY...I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WONDER WOMAN HAD TO SAY TO YOU...


rolf rolf rolf rolf

LULZ,
so has yours significantly,the Lying Conspiracy has'nt been bumped since Christmas,ROFLMAO,hypocrite...and you're still posting shit from Oxleys site,passing it off as "NEW" news....dribbling on the floor,gasping for air laughter...

rolf rolf rolf rolf
true lilly wrote:Talk about full blow delusions...
what doesn't 'Jason'/'Billy Ruben' GET, about BEING IGNORED,
that he simply has to keep texting me about what he's posting?

And despite contradicting himself with and within every text, he's
still hanging onto some insane idea that he's 'winning'?... something???

e.g. the latest just in:

Billy Ruben wrote:Making progress r
we,god stopping
me,no,ur faith must
be shattered,he looks
after me very
well,bitch
...and what doesn't he get about 'them'
(those 'respected' people
he 'defends' ),
trying and failing to 'shatter my faith'
for 50 years, that he believes his overtly
erratic, filthy, violent, mind, could even
come close to breaking my faith in The God,
Who, he and all of 'them', so violently hate?

Especially when all he is doing, is breaking,
'their' (those 'respected' people's), cove
r 'as',
'worthy of respect', by putting himself up as
'their'
Twisted Evil satanic blood ritual practicing occultist,
supporter and defender.
Twisted Evil

well,that was a heap of shit bitch,about as reasoning as this video.Nah,I just shit stir you about God,I kind of think you don't deserve to know him,but come to think of it,you need it more than most...and a little therapy and a heavy regimen of anti-psychotics that you avoid so dilligently,until I ring the mental health authorities come Monday morning.But I have the pleasure,to know,to avoid capture,you'll renounce God,to stay out the loonie bin,that's how I'll rig it...
rolf

tongue pig Razz lmao
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:I noticed that when you Google, "vera susa david icke", this thread is on the First Page. So Please, read a random selection of "BILLY RUBEN" posts, TO SEE that 'that name' IS A DEMON OBSESSED, MENTALLY ILL (by his own BRAGGING words), BAD LIAR...BAD IN SPIRIT and BAD in that he CAN'T STICK TO THE SAME LIE, IN ONE INCESTUOUS PAEDOPHILE PROMOTING Post. So Thanks, "BILLY RUBEN", getting bitter rants from "you", THREATENING ME WITH ANOTHER CAR BOMB and OTHER VIOLENCE AGAINST MY PERSON AND MY PETS (the Stolen, Dehidrated and Starved "GINGER and WHITE CAT", "you" THREATENED TO STEAL, made it back home, recovered and RAISED HER LARGEST and STRONGEST Litter ever!), gives people GOOD REASON TO READ WHAT "YOU" ARE DESPERATE TO PREVENT PEOPLE READING...posts by 'vera susa'/'true lilly', who SHOWS, THE CONspiracy Of The CONspiracy Industry IS TO SLANDER THE CREATOR OF LIFE, AND SO, DRIVE THE WORLD TO BOW TO THE BEAST.


lying fucking bitch,every word of it and you fool no-one,there's new members here,fully aware of your decrepid dying spirit.Not one word does anyone believe of you,but at least you can see why people beat you up and I would do the same,if you were local and handy,not to use my fist,but to kick you as the low dugfucker that you are,then expectorate upon your mashed in face,you're not worth blowing one's nose on,filth,un-woman like and not up to the spiritual worth,to deliver Gods word.The only idiot that does'nt get it,is stubborn fuckwit you,where's hOrSeY?,burned him like everybody else,by now,what,you blackmailed him to do your bidding before,now he's not here and the harassment is much worse than last time.You lost your own family through your schizoid ramblings,they turned on you,not conspired,because you're a basket case,it was sad to learn at first,but seeing the way you really are spastic,I applaud your former husband,getting them out and to a safer,much more loving woman than you could ever be,you're an incubator,not a woman.
Billy Ruben wrote:CARRY ON WITH YOUR SHIT AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE,YOU JUST GAVE AWAY WHY YOU MOUTH OFF ABOUT TINTIN,CAUSE YOU KNOW HE'S GOT TOO MUCH INTEGRITY TO BOTHER WITH A LOSER LIKE YOU AND FOR THAT,I THANK YOU...BUT YOU HAVE MADE PROGRESS,YOU ADMIT YOU'RE NOT RESPECTFUL,EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING TO YOU AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ALMIGHTY,YOU FINALLY GET IT MADAM...BY YOUR OWN WORDS AND KICKED AN "OWN GOAL"...GOOD GIRL MADAM,GOOD GIRL...YOU KNOW HOW TO PLEASE ME AFTER ALL....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA rolf
[quote=”Billy Ruben”]
THREATENED TO STEAL...i OFFERED TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWN AND BACK,$600-700 IN FUEL,TO TAKE IT OFF YOUR HANDS YOU LYING SACK OF SHIT...F*CK YOU.

EVERYONE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH OF THAT,WHEN THEY READ THIS...I WOULD'NT HURT AN ANIMAL,BUT I'D KICK YOU LOWER THAN ANY DOG...LYING BAG OF SHIT...HATE YOU... cthulhu [/quote]
DESPITE MY ILL FEELING ON OCCASSION TO SOD AND MANAGEMENT HERE,I TAKE THE TIME TO APOLOGISE,PUTTING YOU UNDER PRESSURE WITH THE CONSTANT COMPLAINTS I CAUSE AND FOR BEING FAIR ABOUT IT AND STAYING IN THE BACKGROUND WHILE THIS EVENT,HAMMERS ITSELF OUT.IT'S BEEN HARD FOR EVERYONE,ESPECIALLY ME,WHEN SO MUCH BETTER THINGS CAN BE WRITTEN,DISCUSSED AND OBSERVED...ONCE THE DRAGON,USES ITS DUNGEON,IT'LL BE LEFT ALONE,TO ITS DEVICES AND SHE CAN SAY WHATEVER SHE WANTS ABOUT PEOPLE...BUT AT LEAST SHE KNOWS HER PLACE...AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL KNOW,JUST HOW SPITEFUL AND PATHETIC,IT REALLY IS...THANKYOU IN ADVANCE,BILLY.
true lilly wrote:Talk about full blow delusions...
what doesn't 'Jason'/'Billy Ruben' GET, about BEING IGNORED,
that he simply has to keep texting me about what he's posting?

And despite contradicting himself with and within every text, he's
still hanging onto some insane idea that he's 'winning'?... something???

e.g. the latest just in:

Billy Ruben wrote:Making progress r
we,god stopping
me,no,ur faith must
be shattered,he looks
after me very
well,bitch
...and what doesn't he get about 'them'
(those 'respected' people
he 'defends' ),
trying and failing to 'shatter my faith'
for 50 years, that he believes his overtly
erratic, filthy, violent, mind, could even
come close to breaking my faith in The God,
Who, he and all of 'them', so violently hate?

Especially when all he is doing, is breaking,
'their' (those 'respected' people's), cove
r 'as',
'worthy of respect', by putting himself up as
'their'
Twisted Evil satanic blood ritual practicing occultist,
supporter and defender.
Twisted Evil

well,that was a heap of shit bitch,about as reasoning as this video.Nah,I just shit stir you about God,I kind of think you don't deserve to know him,but come to think of it,you need it more than most...and a little therapy and a heavy regimen of anti-psychotics that you avoid so dilligently,until I ring the mental health authorities come Monday morning.But I have the pleasure,to know,to avoid capture,you'll renounce God,to stay out the loonie bin,that's how I'll rig it...

rolf tongue pig Razz lmao
Billy Ruben wrote:When I push you over the edge and you pull Mr Policeman on me,like I want you too Wink ,I have your former husbands' name here,which will come in very handy.Tell me,if your kids seen this,would they be so supportive of you,if they knew you call daddy a baby raping goat fucker?I want to cost you dearly madam,for your years of lies and baseless and groundless accusations,did your husband spam your thread too,Lying C*nt,I bet...

true lilly wrote:ICKE, ASSange, BILL RYAN, CIGGY,
TINTIN, CORI, and so on and on the list
of CON Industry PUSHERS goes...and made
FILTHY 'RICH' through 'their' WORK as
MASS ANTI-SOCIAL MANIPULATORS, who
HATE
me FOR being CONTENT with ENOUGH,
NOT
ENVYING NOR HATING THE 'TRULY WEALTHY'.
Wink

Learn something about cops,they're not in it for justice,they look after their own,corrupt and facilitate evil,you'd better watch it Suzy,Victorian Cops are'nt as lenient as NSW cops,they shoot mental patients down your way,set you up,you'll start rambling with a kitchen knife...and BLAM!!!,they put the rabid idiot out to pasture for ever and ever.Amen...Amen-Ra

pig pig
Ok,I know it does'nt suit your arguement,that you keep insisting I have mates and that I'd bother to tell them about this,or would get them involved like you did with Palomino,Sod and any other idiot who had the guts to front up.F*ck you,the last thing I want,is Tintin,coming here,wasting his time,like I do,highlighting your lies that are endless, and when one fails,you invent another,like the injured cats you schizoid shitbag...BUT,you never admit your filthy tactics and the knowledge you get from others,so I'm sending you down the path that I went through with my niece and family,which broke my heart and probably the reason,I MIGHT be developing a serious condition,it's just the doctors word I repeat,but not accept,until the fat lady sings,bitch.

As I've said over and over again,retarded one,I have no dealings with Tintin,never spoke to him,if I did,I forgot,obviously.Cori refused to answer me as well,I don't fight for them,I'm using your lies as an example...you are very ungrateful for all the good Tintin did for you,and it's scum like you,that make people lose faith in people and God,who'd follow it,if you're an example of it.I backstabbed a few at DIF and my own friends,first time I ever did it in my life,was the last 18 months,I warned Colin for years,change your attitude,stop the bullshit,lies and rumours you say about your friends and family,the same with Boots and Limelady,they never listened,so I did them.There was a lot of so-called friends,pretending to be one at David Icke forums,whilst keeping me in the dark,of what was being said,and colluding with the bullshit...but I always knew,I just spook them with it,just to let them know,how transparent they always were to me...and I'm proud of it.

Any other hunk of shit you want to bring up.Mountain was a very nice girl there for a while too,I hated her,when she listened to Pinkfreud about me being in love with her,no I was'nt,I just propped her up,cause she was having very big problems at the time with Jose,her guy...as she turned out,she was one of the worst judas's of the lot(Pinkfreud),the very day she got mod-ship,she vowed to f*ck Sean over...I have the PM's,I can screen capture now...do you understand how much I can f*ck these people over know???LOL,ROFLMAO,thankyou,John Drake,love you on the very rare occassion.I have'nt even begun,to stick that knife in real good...and just wait until the people see Limeladies and my last PM together...and the fools who believed I was rude to her...no,I was'nt and Size of Light and Merlincove and Shodan all seen it,but not one,not one of them...supported me...how about that eh?...and look what come out of it.Yeah,I'm consumed by hate for alot of people I used to love...and they deserved every bit of it...and I have'nt even begun to prove it.Oh,I forgave Mountain,you can't stay angry at her,not her fault,she was friends with that lot for years,but she should've stayed out of it...and not spread rumours.Even Hadabusa dropped me from his friends list,how'd the f*ck did he get it wrong,I loved that guy...but he bought the bullshit.I wanted him here,so we could have some fun.That's all...ah,but fark ya's,you all fail before me,as weak people,not to be counted on...in a nutshell,I look after number one these days,you offer me nothing,except target practice...Up Yours,the lot of you...


thumbs down thumbs down
Billy Ruben wrote:
true lilly wrote:Unhived Mind Website Taken Down...!!!
true lilly wrote:Very Happy Wink Very Happy Wink
Fine by me,
I got all of my thread on that site,
on hard copy.
Wink Laughing

Unfortunately, Team Tintin have been flat out,
re-writing all his myths (as if actual history),
on "tintin's", "The News Behind The News" thread,
at .




Fortunately, the readership of that thread has plummeted.
Wink Very Happy Laughing Wink

SO WHAT,WHO'D BELIEVE YOU ANYWAY...DON'T HAVE THOSE PHOTOS DO YOU???...OF SAY...A CAR BOMBING???...THOUGHT SO... thumbs down

ps,SHE DOES'NT HAVE TO LIVE THROUGH THE HUMILIATION THERE ANY MORE,CAN SEE WHY YOU'RE HAPPY...I WANTED TO SEE WHAT WONDER WOMAN HAD TO SAY TO YOU...


rolf rolf rolf rolf

LULZ,
so has yours significantly,the Lying Conspiracy has'nt been bumped since Christmas,ROFLMAO,hypocrite...and you're still posting shit from Oxleys site,passing it off as "NEW" news....dribbling on the floor,gasping for air laughter...

rolf rolf rolf rolf
true lilly wrote:Seriously 'Jason',
how can 'they' keep going around
charging people to be hypnotized,
to believe they were healed 'by jayssusss'
(who the schills pocketing the dough,
claim to 'channel' Rolling Eyes),
when you're running around telling the world that
all your best 'mates'
(the one's you're 'defending', 'from' me???),
are blood sacrificing satanists???


And then there's all those other,
butter wouldn't melt in their
(stone, cold, dead), mouths,
(ANTI) 'social worker' types, who
teach children how to 'stay out of trouble',
when committing the criminal acts that
'they' have also taught them.

You know, all those who go around
wearing a mask of 'respectability'
while laughing at the their victims
for not smelling the devil behind the mask.

And still the texts continue; ha! and proving
'Billy Ruben' can't even grasp that concept.

The idiot doesn't know the difference between,
'a mask of respectability' and
'being worthy of respect'...or does, and believes
that the former has more 'currency',
simply because,
The Mask Wearing Demons, Out-Number
the humble little good guys...but 'they' always,
fail to take into account, that,
The Perfect Accountant IS Keeping Perfect Account.

...and that, not only are, wolves hiding among the sheep...
...but watchmen, are hidden amongst the wolves...



JUST HAD TO DELELE THE OTHER WORTHLESS SHIT,SO WE CAN DEAL WITH YOUR WORTHLESS LIES...THE PREFECT ACCOUNTANT EH?THE OMNIPOTENT ONE,RIGHTO,WHAT DOES GOD SAY ABOUT LIARS,SLANDERERS,AND CONSPIRATIST SPEAKING AND PREACHING IN HIS NAME...AND ASKING FOR MONEY,WELL?...HUMBLE LITTLE GUYS,YOU'RE CALLING PEOPLE TOGETHER,TRYING TO SCARE ME OFF,I'M THE LONER HERE SWEETIE,YOU SHOVE THAT UP YOUR ARSE,EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR PATTERNS,EVEN ON THESE THREADS YOU URGE TO ATTACK OTHERS,ALL THE TIME,SHOVE IT AND YOUR LIES UP YOUR AHAIRY ARSE,I HATE YOU...AND WILL FINISH WITH YOU,WHEN YOU ARE COMPLETELY DESTROYED,GO ON,ADMIT HOW MANY TIMES YOU CONSPIRED ON ME AND IT BLEW BACK IN YOUR FACE,THAT,MY DEAR,IS HOW GOD WORKS,YOU KNOW HIM NOT,I DON'T HIDE MY INTENTION,I ANNOUNCE THEM BEFORE I DO THEM,UP YOURS SUZY RYAN,I GIVE NOT A TOSS FOR YOUR LIES,INTERPRETATIONS OR WELL-BEING,OK?...YOU'VE GONE WAY OVER THE LINE,YOU LAUGH AT MY ILLNESS,I WANT YOU DEAD,OK?,NOW YOU KNOW.
Billy Ruben wrote:so,everything True lilly says is the opposite...and a fooking lie...

lets investigate the reversal to her name

TRUE = LYING
LILLY = VAGINA

PUT TOGETHER...

LYING C*NT...THAT'S YOUR NAME FOR NOW ON SHITBAG...



thumbs up lmao
Billy Ruben wrote:I might just start hunting around for what I really believe,you've been lying about money and more than one occassion try to extort or will it away from people.

YOU SEE TRUE LILLY,YOU'RE SO LUCKY,TINTIN IS SUCH A GENTLEMAN WITH INTEGRITY AND WOULD'NT WASTE HIS TIME ARGUING WITH A SCHIZOID LIKE YOU,SULLYING HIS NAME TO DEFEND AGAINST YOUR LIES AND ACCUSATIONS...OTHERWISE,I'D UTILIZE EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO BREAK YOU.NO HOLDS BARRED.MY NAME IS MUD LONG AGO,SO DO YOU THINK I CARE HOW I LOOK,NO....BUT MUCH MORE INTERESTING THAN YOU WILL EVER BE,CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE A NORMAL PERSON.NOTICE KABONG AND I HAVE A GOOD TIME IN THAT WOODSTOCK THREAD AND YOU COME ALONG,SEE,THERE'S NOTHING TO YOU BUT MINDLESS LIES AND DRIVEL....HAHAHAHAHAHA,I STILL HAVE MY FAMILY AFTER REAL TRIALS MADAM,I DO MORE OF GODS WORK THAN YOU'LL EVER COMPREHEND,YOU'RE NOTHING...BUT A MORONIC SCHIZOID AND A DANGEROUS ONE... thumbs up
http://www.health.vic.gov.au/mentalhealth/services/adult/grampians-a.htm






think I'm bluffing,guess again,have no shame in this and will rejoice the victory I have in mind for you...and I promise to pay one visit to you,just for that glee,that satisfaction and I gaze into those vacant scared eyes of yours,you want to be scared Suzy Ryan...you want to be...and we'll find,if your name is Suzy Ryan and someone you're setting up for the fall,such is the amount of lies and bullshit."I Am" was right about you fucktard,"She does'nt half talk a load of shit" and when people see you laugh at my condition and lie about the cats,you'll lose even more of your lousy readership,ha!,you already have,hahahahahaha,you're irrelevant and imbecilic rolf
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